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Wade>You
10-23-2011, 05:51 PM
You'd think playing in a big market would help the Clippers attract players like so many people are led to believe.

But why hasn't playing in the NBA's biggest market led to instant success for the Clippers?

I'm thinking it has something to do with management and the fact that no system or market is gonna turn a garbage owner and GM into a Jerry Buss and Jerry West and their team into an instant title contender.

devilsheat25
10-23-2011, 05:55 PM
Is this a serious question?

Greet
10-23-2011, 05:55 PM
History.

eibbor
10-23-2011, 05:56 PM
The absolute obvious?

schilling
10-23-2011, 06:02 PM
That's like asking why the Yankees over the Mets. History. The championships. The expectations. The tradition.

The Clippers in LA are like the little brother that no one cares about.

DodgerBulls
10-23-2011, 06:03 PM
Clippers are pretty much nonexistent except for that one year when they made the playoffs and the arrival of Griffin. With them sharing Staples with the Lakers, which are littered with Lakers banners, they stand no chance.. although they do sell out at home :laugh: when they play the Lakers.

I mean come on, all you got to realize is that the Clippers is like that annoying little cousin you have, just doesn't belong to the same environment.

That is why some suggest that the Clippers should just move to a different city/county rather than having another NBA team in Los Angeles. Trust me, moving from Los Angeles to Orange County, lets say Anaheim, +/- 25 miles, will make a huge difference to the team.

chicago lulz
10-23-2011, 06:06 PM
Let's see...
Clippers:
Championships 0
Conference titles 0
Division titles 0

Lakers:
Championships 17
Conference titles 32
Division titles 22

Wade>You
10-23-2011, 06:10 PM
Let's see...
Clippers:
Championships 0
Conference titles 0
Division titles 0

Lakers:
Championships 17
Conference titles 32
Division titles 22So you're saying that players prefer winners, not losers?

That the market doesn't mean as much as the ability for the player to win?

But that goes against the popular opinion that big markets hold a huge advantage over small markets. Which side is wrong?

DodgerBulls
10-23-2011, 06:12 PM
So you're saying that players prefer winners, not losers?

That the market doesn't mean as much as the ability for the player to win?

But that goes against the popular opinion that big markets hold a huge advantage over small markets.

If you're basically irrevelant compared to your counter part with so much history and success in the same city, then not always.

itsripcity32
10-23-2011, 06:13 PM
lol what is this guy trying to argue about

DodgerBulls
10-23-2011, 06:16 PM
lol what is this guy trying to argue about

That big market means instant attraction for big players regardless of tradition/history and financial situations.

Look at the Dodgers.

Wade>You
10-23-2011, 06:17 PM
If you're basically irrevelant compared to your counter part with so much history and success in the same city, then not always.Doesn't a team in LA hold an edge over a team in San Antonio, for example? Why do players prefer the Spurs over the LA Clippers?

DodgerBulls
10-23-2011, 06:22 PM
Doesn't a team in LA hold an edge over a team in San Antonio, for example? Why do players prefer the Spurs over the LA Clippers?

Did you read the post that you quoted at all?

Like in craigslist on selling cars:

LA Lakers runs good, LA Clippers no run good. Selling for Lakers OBO.

WVNowitzki
10-23-2011, 06:24 PM
Tradition and the Owner.

Cal827
10-23-2011, 06:28 PM
Most of the "Big Market" stuff is just an excuse for mediocrity. If the team is in a position in where they are going to win, then players would resign. Examples I can think of are Carter and Bosh. People have said that Canada can't keep players, but both of the teams all-stars resigned after their entry contract (Both times, the team looked like they were going to do something). If they really wanted to, they could have signed with someone else via offer sheet.Shawn Marion also was also interested in staying in Toronto (Thought team was improving as he played there), even though he spent his career in two hot climates in Phoenix/Miami... We eventually dropped him for Hedon't, which did worked out really well for him lol. Bosh/Carter both left when the team looked like it was going to implode.

The Clippers have a problem with acquiring talent because of their record/decisions. I remember a few years ago, they were able to acquire an all star (Baron Davis) via free agency. This was after they won 47 games and just failed to beat the Suns in the West semi-final. If Sterling decided to pay Brand a little more to stay, then that team would be contending, and would have more people interested in signing there.

llemon
10-23-2011, 06:30 PM
The answer is obvious.

Donald Sterling.

chicago lulz
10-23-2011, 06:31 PM
So you're saying that players prefer winners, not losers?

That the market doesn't mean as much as the ability for the player to win?

But that goes against the popular opinion that big markets hold a huge advantage over small markets. Which side is wrong?

Players prefer big markets and winners. Players prefer big markets over small markets based on potential of higher income, more exposure, sold out games, etc. Players prefer winning teams compared to losing teams because everyone wants to win.

Both are important to a player's decision.

That is what I'm saying. Every player is different in what they are looking for specifically. Some players may give up going to a big market team to win, other's may choose the bigger market, even if it's a losing franchise.

Question I propose (I don't know myself): How many Big Market teams failed to make it to the playoffs?

llemon
10-23-2011, 06:34 PM
So you're saying that players prefer winners, not losers?

That the market doesn't mean as much as the ability for the player to win?

But that goes against the popular opinion that big markets hold a huge advantage over small markets. Which side is wrong?

Each player has his own set of priorities.

Toxeryll
10-23-2011, 06:36 PM
because common sense

itsripcity32
10-23-2011, 06:45 PM
Doesn't a team in LA hold an edge over a team in San Antonio, for example? Why do players prefer the Spurs over the LA Clippers?

cus there's no other team in san antonio!

l.a. has two teams! obviously people are gonna like the one with a better history. would people choose the lakers or san antonio? exactly

naps
10-23-2011, 06:46 PM
Because Lakers are the greatest NBA franchise of all time along with the Celtics. It's much more of a pride to be a Laker than a Clipper. I am pretty sure that plays a big role along with other aspects such as owners, endorsements etc etc. But winning a championship as Clippers' cornerstone will be huge for a superstar. The stage will be set for Blake Griffin to take over the iconic status of LA sports (If the owner really wants to spend and apply brain to bring in right pieces).

GodsSon
10-23-2011, 06:56 PM
The answer is obvious.

Donald Sterling.

This.

The man sells poison milk to school children.

Tony_Starks
10-23-2011, 07:04 PM
The answer is obvious.

Donald Sterling.


Bingo! If not for that guy they would've had a winning product a long time ago.

But still even though he is the Devil incarnate if they can continue to grow with that core of Griffin, Gordon, Aminu, and Bledsoe, they will actually be a nice free agent destination. They have the cap room. They are a smart Kaman trade away from being a legitimate team to reckon with......

llemon
10-23-2011, 07:12 PM
Bingo! If not for that guy they would've had a winning product a long time ago.

But still even though he is the Devil incarnate if they can continue to grow with that core of Griffin, Gordon, Aminu, and Bledsoe, they will actually be a nice free agent destination. They have the cap room. They are a smart Kaman trade away from being a legitimate team to reckon with......

The questions are these..........

A) Why would any black NBA player ever want to play and give his all for a team that is owned for Donald Sterling? And

B) Will Dwight enjoy Sterling rubbing his (Dwight's) head before every game for good luck?

Sly Guy
10-23-2011, 07:29 PM
This.

The man sells poison milk to school children.

lol, it's funny cuz it's true.

Don't kid yourselves, history <<<<< winning now.

Hawkeye15
10-23-2011, 08:30 PM
Donald Sterling

Soxsnation4life
10-23-2011, 08:42 PM
Because the Clippers are the Lakers ******** little brother

Bruno
10-23-2011, 08:51 PM
Ownership.

imagesrdecievin
10-23-2011, 09:04 PM
The funny thing about Sterling is he is one of the few (only?) NBA owners that operates his franchise strictly as a business. He would rather field a 12 win team that is profitable than a 50 win team that breaks even.

He is the lone exception that proves the rule that NBA owners operate their "business" like a hobby.

Tony_Starks
10-23-2011, 09:11 PM
The funny thing about Sterling is he is one of the few (only?) NBA owners that operates his franchise strictly as a business. He would rather field a 12 win team that is profitable than a 50 win team that breaks even.

He is the lone exception that proves the rule that NBA owners operate their "business" like a hobby.


I would put Michael Jordan in that category as well. Not like the Bobcats were great but at least they were a playoff team. He lets Felton walk, didn't want Tyson Chandler, gave away Gerald Wallace, and then cashed in Stephen Jackson for the grand finale. All to save money......

Napalm
10-23-2011, 09:18 PM
lakers fans have nothing to do with it, only the older generation lakers fans know whats up, anybody 30 years or younger can see the big picture of who the lakers were. all the past has been forgotten now its new age lakers. no player signs with a team for its fans! WINNING MONEY MARKET AND BEAUTIFUL CALIFORNIA IS WHY PLAYER CHOOSE THE LAKERS- OBVIOUSLY THE CLIPPERS COULD ONLY OFFER TWO OF THE THINGS

da ThRONe
10-23-2011, 09:44 PM
I don't think tradition plays much of a role if any. Buss is a much better owner to play for than Sterling.

imagesrdecievin
10-23-2011, 10:18 PM
Tradition probably comes into play when you stay on good terms with the legends and icons that are part of your organization. I'm sure players are impressed when people like Magic and Kareem pitch in on the recruiting effort.

LA_Raiders
10-24-2011, 01:30 AM
That's like asking why the Yankees over the Mets. History. The championships. The expectations. The tradition.

The Clippers in LA are like the little brother that no one cares about.

and the owner

Beantownsboss
10-24-2011, 01:50 AM
Who cares about history. Would you rather be just another Laker to win a ring, or be on a Clippers team and help win thier first championship. Im going with the Clippers IMO

Chronz
10-24-2011, 01:50 AM
Clippers are pretty much nonexistent except for that one year when they made the playoffs and the arrival of Griffin. With them sharing Staples with the Lakers, which are littered with Lakers banners, they stand no chance.. although they do sell out at home :laugh: when they play the Lakers.

I mean come on, all you got to realize is that the Clippers is like that annoying little cousin you have, just doesn't belong to the same environment.

That is why some suggest that the Clippers should just move to a different city/county rather than having another NBA team in Los Angeles. Trust me, moving from Los Angeles to Orange County, lets say Anaheim, +/- 25 miles, will make a huge difference to the team.

I see no reason to trust you

RevisIsland
10-24-2011, 01:57 AM
History, prestige, sponsorships, winning, Jerry Buss, Donald Sterling, I could go on and on

abe_froman
10-24-2011, 02:09 AM
ownership and prestige of the name.its like being a yankee or cowboy.everyone likes a winner,especially a town like la.the weight the name has gives you access to the best girls,best drugs,best parties even if your a scrub.whereas(unless your blake griffin)you can walk the streets of la in anonymity being a clipper

lakers4sho
10-24-2011, 02:26 AM
It's like asking someone if they would rather eat chocolate or poop. Hey...they're both brown. What's the difference?

Raph12
10-24-2011, 02:28 AM
Ownership may be the biggest reason...

Raps08-09 Champ
10-24-2011, 02:36 AM
Lakers win consistently.

beliges
10-24-2011, 02:40 AM
Something about playing for the greatest franchise in the sport's history is very very appealing.

CountSackula
10-24-2011, 02:41 AM
Management. Clippers FO is a joke.

LakersIn5
10-24-2011, 09:07 AM
clippers curse and laker tradition

mttwlsn16
10-24-2011, 09:10 AM
donald sterling is a start

mttwlsn16
10-24-2011, 09:11 AM
Something about playing for the greatest franchise in the sport's history is very very appealing.

the yankees play basketball? :confused:

C-Style
10-24-2011, 12:19 PM
That's just like asking why ppl prefer 1st class over coach.

C-Style
10-24-2011, 12:23 PM
Thats just like asking would u rather date the hot successfull sister or the uglyass screw up sister

Shmontaine
10-24-2011, 12:31 PM
I would put Michael Jordan in that category as well. Not like the Bobcats were great but at least they were a playoff team. He lets Felton walk, didn't want Tyson Chandler, gave away Gerald Wallace, and then cashed in Stephen Jackson for the grand finale. All to save money......

yeah.. but jordan made it perfectly clear what he was doing. he stated something like "either be very good, or very bad. being in the middle of the pack is the worst place to be." and he's got a point, to an extent...

CowboysKB24
10-24-2011, 12:33 PM
Close this thread, it is only getting attention because it is stupidly obvious.

MrfadeawayJB
10-24-2011, 12:50 PM
Because the lakers will always be #1 in LA

sep11ie
10-24-2011, 12:55 PM
History?

sep11ie
10-24-2011, 12:58 PM
the Steelers play basketball? :confused:



Fixed.

ink
10-24-2011, 01:03 PM
History.

This.

mttwlsn16
10-24-2011, 01:04 PM
Fixed.

how in any way shape or form can it possible be anyone but the yankees

gotoHcarolina52
10-24-2011, 01:24 PM
the yankees play basketball? :confused:

Real Madrid C.F. plays basketball?

todu82
10-24-2011, 01:42 PM
The history of the 2 teams for starters plus the Lakers have better management and a better atmosphere around their team.

beliges
10-24-2011, 02:24 PM
the yankees play basketball? :confused:

The "sport" of basketball my friend.

IDB Josh M
10-24-2011, 02:34 PM
how in any way shape or form can it possible be anyone but the yankees

I think your signature answers that question for you. NYY: Y U FAIL TO REACH ALCS?!

To get back on topic, its obvious the reason why people want to play for the Lakers, or Celtics, or even the presently lowly Knickerbockers over the Nets, history. However, the better reason is because Lakers have a better management, and you're dealing with a better boss than you would with Clippers. Buss>>>>Sterling.

History is a poor reason to play or not play for a team, otherwise nobody would want to play for a non-history franchise. This is why Kevin Durant and Blake Griffen deserves high respect whereas Lebron deserves to be hated. Make your own darned history! This is why Jordan will always be better than Kobe and Lebron, because Jordan can say he was the first to bring a title to Chicago. Lebron could have said that with Cleveland, but he chose to chase rings. Kobe definitely can't say that whereas Jerry West can (if you're referring to bringing a title to Los Angeles).

beliges
10-24-2011, 02:36 PM
how in any way shape or form can it possible be anyone but the yankees


Although one can surely argue that the Lakers have been a better franchise in their respective sport than the Yankees have been in their sport.

Sactown
10-24-2011, 02:42 PM
Although one can surely argue that the Lakers have been a better franchise in their respective sport than the Yankees have been in their sport.

you could also argue that basketball is the easiest of all sports to repeat

sep11ie
10-24-2011, 02:55 PM
You could also argue that Basketball and Football have salary caps.

beliges
10-24-2011, 03:04 PM
you could also argue that basketball is the easiest of all sports to repeat

Basketball is the easiest sport to repeat because one individual player has a bigger influence on the game than any other individual has in the other team sports. And the Lakers, well they always get the very best of the best. And the best players will win championships.

Lim
10-24-2011, 06:17 PM
Who cares about history. Would you rather be just another Laker to win a ring, or be on a Clippers team and help win thier first championship. Im going with the Clippers IMO

agreed. can you imagine how praised blake griffin will be if he spends his whole career in clipper land? same could of been said for lebron with Cleveland but we all know how that turned out.... womp womp

Tony_Starks
10-24-2011, 06:21 PM
To be fair the Clipps haven't had a legit superstar since who knows? B Griffin and Gordon being there makes it a different situation. Had everyone knew how much of a best Griffin was last summer they could've probably snagged a FA......

Lloyd Christmas
10-25-2011, 01:25 AM
The chances of winning a ring on a team with a 91 million dollar payroll are pretty high.

Ripper Gein
10-25-2011, 04:31 PM
the yankees play basketball? :confused:

Yes the Lakers are THE GREATEST FRANCHISE IN SPORTS HISTORY the yankees are just older, the Lakers in a shorter amount of time have been more successful, google it.

JordansBulls
10-25-2011, 04:55 PM
You'd think playing in a big market would help the Clippers attract players like so many people are led to believe.

But why hasn't playing in the NBA's biggest market led to instant success for the Clippers?

I'm thinking it has something to do with management and the fact that no system or market is gonna turn a garbage owner and GM into a Jerry Buss and Jerry West and their team into an instant title contender.

Because the Lakers are a winning organization. That is why players prefer them. Even though IMO a players legacy enchances taking franchises that never won anything to the top.

Bishnoff
10-25-2011, 05:34 PM
Better franchise history, a greater chance of success, a much bigger fan base, and more nationally televised games. That's why players prefer to play for the Lakers than the Clips.

bmd1101
10-25-2011, 06:48 PM
Most of the "Big Market" stuff is just an excuse for mediocrity. If the team is in a position in where they are going to win, then players would resign. Examples I can think of are Carter and Bosh. People have said that Canada can't keep players, but both of the teams all-stars resigned after their entry contract (Both times, the team looked like they were going to do something). If they really wanted to, they could have signed with someone else via offer sheet.Shawn Marion also was also interested in staying in Toronto (Thought team was improving as he played there), even though he spent his career in two hot climates in Phoenix/Miami... We eventually dropped him for Hedon't, which did worked out really well for him lol. Bosh/Carter both left when the team looked like it was going to implode.

The Clippers have a problem with acquiring talent because of their record/decisions. I remember a few years ago, they were able to acquire an all star (Baron Davis) via free agency. This was after they won 47 games and just failed to beat the Suns in the West semi-final. If Sterling decided to pay Brand a little more to stay, then that team would be contending, and would have more people interested in signing there.

It's more then that, who the **** would want to play for their administration? Full of shitbags.

beasted86
10-25-2011, 10:27 PM
Is it more obvious?

Lakers 58 playoffs appearances in 63 seasons played.
Clippers 7 playoff appearances in 41 seasons played.

RaiderLakersA's
10-26-2011, 04:47 PM
I wouldn't play for the Clippers owner. I don't care what market the team was in, or how much money was thrown my way.

blastmasta26
10-26-2011, 06:01 PM
I actually don't think it has that much to do with history. Some players don't want to play in a high-pressure environment like the Lakers team, and maybe some would rather be the first to succeed with the Clippers. I think ownership factors much more into this. Not only is Sterling a crazy racist, he's also much more in favor of profit than success.

Stack_NJNets
10-26-2011, 07:34 PM
Chips.

Thats like saying more stars should go to Sac town because it's the capital.

evadatam5150
10-26-2011, 09:18 PM
You'd think playing in a big market would help the Clippers attract players like so many people are led to believe.

But why hasn't playing in the NBA's biggest market led to instant success for the Clippers?

I'm thinking it has something to do with management and the fact that no system or market is gonna turn a garbage owner and GM into a Jerry Buss and Jerry West and their team into an instant title contender.

Ownership... Period...

da ThRONe
10-26-2011, 10:48 PM
The Clippers are the best example of why team salaries need to be capped. Some make the agrument that market is king in pro sports. When the two things that matter most is money and winning. As of now large revenue teams can offer the stars of the game both. So naturally that where these stars go.

When smaller revenue teams are able to offer both/one or the other we'll see guys migrating to smaller markets creating much needed parity in basketball.

showtym24
10-26-2011, 11:05 PM
Very dumb thread.

Wade>You
10-26-2011, 11:42 PM
You put any good team in place of the Clippers, they'll attract players.

You put the Cavs roster in place of the Clippers, no one wants to go.

You put the Wizards roster in place of the Clippers, no one wants to go.

(etc)

A team's market size has nothing to do with its chances of success or ability . Poor ownership / management and no chance to win are not gonna attract ANY player. And it's exactly the reason why these franchises are 'losing' money.

Angelus™
10-27-2011, 04:44 AM
For one, the clippers have a horrible owner with even uglier team colors

KaganRS
10-27-2011, 05:19 AM
The answer is obvious.

Donald Sterling.

+1

if any of you haven't been reading up on the Clippers ownership then you certainly need to dig up the dirt on Donald Sterling.

He's racist, a slumlord , yells at his own players and taunts them during games with insults, refuses to pay out contracts in bad faith, does not care about winning; and i'm sure there are plenty more things you can find on him out there.

USMCLaker
10-27-2011, 06:32 AM
Thank you for the humorous thread.

That being said let me break it down for you now:

That's like asking why Twinkee's over hoho's, why like hot chicks over chicks with VD, why like donuts over donut holes, why like steak over tofu, why like the best owner in all of sports over an owner that likes to look at you when you take a shower, most of all why like sheer joy over misery.

Why like laughter over crying, why like sex over abstinence, why like girls over boys, why like life over death. I could go on forever.

magichatnumber9
10-27-2011, 07:35 AM
Because Lakes would be so nice in the southern Los Angeles area. I don't have a clue what a clipper-plural is to be honest.

Evolution23
10-27-2011, 10:38 AM
Cause they're Winning... duh...

mttwlsn16
10-27-2011, 10:52 AM
For one, the clippers have a horrible owner with even uglier team colors

red white and blue :shrug:

face805
11-21-2011, 10:19 PM
The lakers history of winning

MJ-BULLS
11-21-2011, 10:28 PM
one of the best organizations of all time, great owner, great history. Lakers.

Wade>You
11-22-2011, 12:11 AM
The Clippers prove that playing in a Big Market has nothing to do with being able to compete.

Small Market teams need to stop making excuses for their poor management and ownership.

sep11ie
11-22-2011, 12:43 AM
What grown man doesn't wanna wear purple?

itsripcity32
11-22-2011, 01:04 AM
The Clippers prove that playing in a Big Market has nothing to do with being able to compete.

Small Market teams need to stop making excuses for their poor management and ownership.

And every other big market is able to compete why? Cus they don't got the lakers to compete with?
Saying that being in a small market has no effect is ********. Look at all re contracted teams in NBA history. They played in small markets and didn't even have a large enough fan base to stay alive.

itsripcity32
11-22-2011, 01:06 AM
Anyone else find this guy's obsession with the player union's dicks to be annoying?

PrettyBoyJ
11-22-2011, 02:32 AM
It's not jus about the market..., management, coaches, owners, the team that's in place before signing play big roles when a star player signs to a team.. Clippers aren't stable in any of those areas.. But I would say this the team they have now can make some noise

John Walls Era
11-22-2011, 02:33 AM
Teams with a great history always allude players because theres some kind of mystique there. Also Clippers are known as the little brother of LA.

iggypop123
11-22-2011, 02:34 AM
2 words: Donald Sterling

SportsAndrew25
11-22-2011, 01:05 PM
The answer to this is obvious. Comparing the Lakers to the Clippers is like comparing the Taj Mahal to the projects in East New York. The Lakers are statistically the second most successful franchise in the history of the NBA, with 16 Championships. They have one of the best owners in Jerry Buss. They have had so many famous stars, ranging from Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to Magic Johnson to Kobe Bryant. The Clippers have only had 6 winning seasons in their history and only two since they came to L.A. in 1984. Donald Sterling is unquestionably one of the top five worse owners in the history of sports. He is an extremely cheap and racist individual. In addition, they are one of only three teams (the others being the Vancouver/Memphis Grizzles and the Charlotte Bobcats) to have never won an NBA Championship, Conference Championship or Division Championship.