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JordansBulls
10-21-2011, 12:56 PM
Voting for #49 has concluded and PSD's Official #49 NBA Player of all time is....

Robert Parish


Top 4 Voting:

Robert Parish = 8 votes
Alonzo Mourning = 6 votes
Wes Unseld = 4 votes
Dave Cowens = 4 votes



The List:
The List Thread (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=635088)

The List:
1. Michael Jordan (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=631361)
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=631585)
3. Wilt Chamberlain (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=632046)
4. Magic Johnson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=632690)
5. Bill Russell (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=632852)
6. Larry Bird (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=633428)
7. Shaquille O'neal (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=633751)
8. Kobe Bryant (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634022)
9. Hakeem Olajuwon (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634733)
10. Tim Duncan (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=635092)
11. Oscar Robertson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=635506)
12. Moses Malone (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=636033)
13. Jerry West (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=636552)
14. Karl Malone (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=636998)
15. Julius Erving (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=637671)
16. David Robinson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=638526)
17. Charles Barkley (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=639576)
18. John Stockton (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=640285)
19. George Mikan (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641172)
20. Kevin Garnett (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641975)
21. LeBron James (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=642511)
22. Dirk Nowitzki (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=643161)
23. Bob Pettit (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=644031)
24. John Havlicek (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=645330)
25. Elgin Baylor (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=645990)
26. Dwyane Wade (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646496)
27. Scottie Pippen (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=647144)
28. Rick Barry (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=648440)
29. Isiah Thomas (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=649170)
30. Patrick Ewing (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=649815)
31. Bob Cousy (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=650318)
32. Walt Frazier (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651181)
33. Clyde Drexler (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651737)
34. Gary Payton (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=652073)
35. Jason Kidd (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=652644)
36. Kevin Mchale (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=653111)
37. Allen Iverson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=653515)
38. Steve Nash (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=654056)
39. Bill Walton (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=654694)
40. George Gervin (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=655171)
41. Willis Reed (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=655768)
42. Dominique Wilkins (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=656588)
43. Reggie Miller (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=657146)
44. James Worthy (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=658798)
45. Paul Pierce (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=659479)
46. Sam Jones (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=660017)
47. Elvin Hayes (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=660582)
48. Tracy Mcgrady (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=661091)
49. Robert Parish (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=661835)


Voting will now begin for the #50 NBA Player All Time


These are the players that can be voted for the #50 spot.


Wes Unseld
Dave Cowens
Bob Mcadoo
Dolph Schayes
Nate Thurmond
Shawn Kemp
Alonzo Mourning
Kevin Johnson
Jerry Lucas
Nate Thurmond
Pau Gasol
Artis Gilmore
Hal Greer
Anfernee Hardaway
Tim Hardaway
Grant Hill

JordansBulls
10-21-2011, 12:58 PM
Took Wes Unseld here, gave the Bullets it's only title in franchise history and won a league and finals mvp in his career.

Bruno
10-21-2011, 02:24 PM
Zo. Most dominant peak stats out of anyone left, great longevity, two time DPOY.

Heediot
10-21-2011, 03:20 PM
McCadoo, like Zo and to a smaller extent Penny injuries derailed a great career.

Hellcrooner
10-21-2011, 04:07 PM
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=662339

excuse me ( this is the second time in a row you do the same) :rolleyes:
Robert Parish = 8 votes
Alonzo Mourning = 6 votes

PAU GASOL : 5 VOTES
Wes Unseld = 4 votes
Dave Cowens = 4 votes

Hellcrooner
10-21-2011, 04:12 PM
i love how people forget that mourning stayed a FULL DECADE being a role player of 8ppg average due to his kidney problems.

Also forget that he had the benefit of ALWAYS being surrounded by tons of talent, in some cases like Larry Johnson MORE than his talent.

He was supposedly a CENTER and he only grabbed 10rpg 4 times in his career......

Sorry but there are more than 10 names on the list more deserving than him, hands down.

Bruno
10-21-2011, 09:23 PM
He was supposedly a CENTER and he only grabbed 10rpg 4 times in his career......


That doesn't stop you from voting Gasol, who has only averaged 10.0 rebounds or more twice over a ten year career.

Zo will get the nod here because he's the best defensive player left on the board, and his peak stats are better than anyone else's. He's also still pretty fresh in everyones memory.

The only people voting for Gasol are Laker fans.

Ebbs
10-21-2011, 09:25 PM
Pau, Zo, and Hill were a tough trio to choose from on this one for me.

Bruno
10-21-2011, 09:26 PM
Right now, I'd put Pau in my top 55. I think he'll retire top 50 though. He still has a bit of work to do, he could climb even higher with another dominant finals.

Hellcrooner
10-21-2011, 09:57 PM
That doesn't stop you from voting Gasol, who has only averaged 10.0 rebounds or more twice over a ten year career.

Zo will get the nod here because he's the best defensive player left on the board, and his peak stats are better than anyone else's. He's also still pretty fresh in everyones memory.

The only people voting for Gasol are Laker fans.

gasol is a POWER forward, thats a difference when valuing rebounds.

Bruno
10-21-2011, 10:10 PM
gasol is a POWER forward, thats a difference when valuing rebounds.

Gasol is taller, and only cracked 10 rpg once playing the bulk of his minutes at C for the Lakers.

Hellcrooner
10-21-2011, 10:32 PM
Gasol is taller, and only cracked 10 rpg once playing the bulk of his minutes at C for the Lakers.

well maybe you woudl like to talk me bout being a KEY ( second in command) piece in 2 rings being a clear correlation on the raise of level of the team instead of freeriding to one as an insubstantial role player.

Talk me bout Cowens, Unseld or Thurmond over Pau and i will listen to it.

But dont give me **** bout one kidneyd half a career as a role player Zo.

Bruno
10-21-2011, 10:35 PM
well maybe you woudl like to talk me bout being a KEY ( second in command) piece in 2 rings being a clear correlation on the raise of level of the team instead of freeriding to one as an insubstantial role player.

Talk me bout Cowens, Unseld or Thurmond over Pau and i will listen to it.

But dont give me **** bout one kidneyd half a career as a role player Zo.

I never tried to sell you on ZO. I only criticized your criticism of his rebounding.

ManRam
10-21-2011, 11:13 PM
I voted Zo...and am glad to see others doing the same.

Pau isn't a bad choice either, though. But Zo was better.

Hellcrooner
10-24-2011, 12:57 AM
Dave Cowens
Wes Unseld
Dolph Schayes
Nate Thurmond
Artis Gilmore


out of the top 50

:facepalm:

RevisIsland
10-24-2011, 01:12 AM
It's an absolute disgrace that Dave Cowens isn't gonna be in the top 50.

ShakeN'Bake
10-24-2011, 08:28 AM
It's an absolute disgrace that Dave Cowens isn't gonna be in the top 50.

Its PSD.

naps
10-24-2011, 10:37 PM
i love how people forget that mourning stayed a FULL DECADE being a role player of 8ppg average due to his kidney problems.

Also forget that he had the benefit of ALWAYS being surrounded by tons of talent, in some cases like Larry Johnson MORE than his talent.

He was supposedly a CENTER and he only grabbed 10rpg 4 times in his career......

Sorry but there are more than 10 names on the list more deserving than him, hands down.


You are mad clearly because people didn't pick your boy Gasol. Gasol is far from top 50.

Hellcrooner
10-24-2011, 10:41 PM
You are mad clearly because people didn't pick your boy Gasol. Gasol is far from top 50.

not that far as some people would think.

People that dont like to go out and night in a white robe at least (not talking bout you btw).

naps
10-24-2011, 10:42 PM
well maybe you woudl like to talk me bout being a KEY ( second in command) piece in 2 rings being a clear correlation on the raise of level of the team instead of freeriding to one as an insubstantial role player.

Talk me bout Cowens, Unseld or Thurmond over Pau and i will listen to it.

But dont give me **** bout one kidneyd half a career as a role player Zo.

Damn, you have crossed the limit there. Now mocking someone's illness just because people didn't pick you favorite player. Pathetic.

Hellcrooner
10-24-2011, 10:47 PM
Damn, you have crossed the limit there. Now mocking someone's illness just because people didn't pick you favorite player. Pathetic.

Not mocking him, STATING A FACT

naps
10-24-2011, 10:54 PM
Not mocking him, STATING A FACT

What is a fact?

I understand English is not your first language but that following statement is pathetic. Ask someone who is good at the language.


But dont give me **** bout one kidneyd half a career as a role player Zo.

And Zo was a beast in the league till 2001 and that's 10 years. Good enough longevity.

Hellcrooner
10-24-2011, 10:56 PM
What is a fact?

I understand English is not your first language but that following statement is pathetic. Ask someone who is good at the language.



And Zo was a beast in the league till 2001 and that's 10 years. Good enough longevity.
check again his peak was more like 3 or 4 years.

with something like 21 and 10.

Take Webber as an example, he had a LONGER peak with BETTER numbers.
And would have probably lead his team to a ring had he not find shaq-kobe lakers in his way.

Sorry but there are 10 players at least in that votable list ( including pau) that deserve it over Zo.
Simple as that.

naps
10-24-2011, 11:06 PM
check again his peak was more like 3 or 4 years. with something like 21 and 10.


What are you talking about? Take a look (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mournal01.html) before you keep riding Pau's jock.



Take Webber as an example, he had a LONGER peak with BETTER numbers.
And would have probably lead his team to a ring had he not find shaq-kobe lakers in his way.

Mourning has 2 DPOY and was a top 3 in MVP voting for 2 years.


Sorry but there are 10 players at least in that votable list ( including pau) that deserve it over Zo.
Simple as that.

IDK about that. But as of now Pau doesn't have any case over Mourning. Check out who voted for Pau and Mourning.

Bruno
10-24-2011, 11:13 PM
check again his peak was more like 3 or 4 years.

with something like 21 and 10.

Take Webber as an example, he had a LONGER peak with BETTER numbers.


What about defense? Zo won back to back DPOY at a time when Ben Wallace and Mutombo were in the league. Webber never made a defensive team once.

Hellcrooner
10-24-2011, 11:35 PM
What about defense? Zo won back to back DPOY at a time when Ben Wallace and Mutombo were in the league. Webber never made a defensive team once.

Then lets put Cooper, Wallace, Rodman and Bobby jones in the top 50 :rolleyes:

Bruno
10-24-2011, 11:41 PM
Then lets put Cooper, Wallace, Rodman and Bobby jones in the top 50 :rolleyes:

Zo averaged between 19-23 points for eight years in a row, never dipping below 50% FG shooting in the process. None of those players you mentioned come close to touching Zo offensively. Not comparable in the slightest.

Gasol for example has only cracked the 20.0 scoring average mark twice in his career. Zo did it six times, and he has a superior career TS%. Are you saying that Zo was offensively inept?

Mishmin
10-24-2011, 11:43 PM
I havent looked at this in a while. Tmac over Dave Cowens.. over Parish.. Please.

Hellcrooner
10-24-2011, 11:49 PM
Zo averaged between 19-23 points for eight years in a row, never dipping below 50% FG shooting in the process. None of those players you mentioned come close to touching Zo offensively. Not comparable in the slightest.

Gasol for example has only cracked the 20.0 scoring average mark twice in his career. Zo did it six times, and he has a superior career TS%. Are you saying that Zo was offensively inept?

i say he is ringless as a leader or coleader.

point blank.

there are also MVP players on the board too
and players that lead their team to rings like cowens or unseld

mvp is better than DPOY i guess?

sorry but zo is not worhty of it.

naps
10-25-2011, 01:09 AM
Zo averaged between 19-23 points for eight years in a row, never dipping below 50% FG shooting in the process. None of those players you mentioned come close to touching Zo offensively. Not comparable in the slightest.

Gasol for example has only cracked the 20.0 scoring average mark twice in his career. Zo did it six times, and he has a superior career TS%. Are you saying that Zo was offensively inept?

Haha...I saw that post and I was like wtf?!? Thanks for saving my time Bruno. HC keeps changing criteria one from another as he keeps getting owned.

naps
10-25-2011, 01:29 AM
i say he is ringless as a leader or coleader.

point blank.

there are also MVP players on the board too
and players that lead their team to rings like cowens or unseld

mvp is better than DPOY i guess?

sorry but zo is not worhty of it.


You have already said so many things wrong in this thread that I honestly think you are a better poster as long as Pau Gasol is not connected to a thread. I am not sure about other players but Gasol doesn't really have any case over Zo as of now. Go and do some more research. Defensively Gasol is nowhere near Zo. Offensively too, Zo has the case over Gasol.

Hellcrooner
10-25-2011, 01:31 AM
You have already said so many things wrong in this thread that I honestly think you are a better poster as long as Pau Gasol is not connected to a thread. I am not sure about other players but Gasol doesn't really have any case over Zo as of now. Go and do some more research. Defensively Gasol is nowhere near Zo. Offensively too, Zo has the case over Gasol.

Every Poster is better when one of his Fav or Hated players is not in the discussion.

naps
10-25-2011, 01:43 AM
Every Poster is better when one of his Fav or Hated players is not in the discussion.

You are much better when Pau is not involved. Let's be honest here HC.

abe_froman
10-25-2011, 02:02 AM
cowens

5ass
10-25-2011, 03:04 AM
i cant believe Dwight Howard isnt even on the poll yet

Bruno
10-25-2011, 06:58 PM
i say he is ringless as a leader or coleader.
point blank.

That's true, but that didn't stop you from arguing for Webber. :shrug:


there are also MVP players on the board too
and players that lead their team to rings like cowens or unseld

There are.


mvp is better than DPOY i guess?

Would depend on the context of those MVPs. The statistics from Wes Unselds 1969 regular season MVP, and his 1978 finals MVP are brutally under-whelming.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/u/unselwe01.html

He posted a PER under 15.0, and a WS/48 under .150 for that playoff run. His regular season MVP a decade earlier was a bit better, but his TS% still sucked; I don't know how he won that award.


sorry but zo is not worhty of it.

Agree to disagree. It's nice to see defense rewarded.


Haha...I saw that post and I was like wtf?!? Thanks for saving my time Bruno. HC keeps changing criteria one from another as he keeps getting owned.

I just think that Zo has an argument. It's cool if people don't think he's top 50, but to say he's not in the discussion is a bit ridiculous, IMO.

Bruno
10-25-2011, 06:59 PM
i cant believe Dwight Howard isnt even on the poll yet

He'll get there.

jrice9
10-25-2011, 09:49 PM
I think McAdoo is getting slighted. Yes it was partially the time period but his early 70's dominance offensively has rarely been matched in NBA history he also rebounded like a Mofo in those years too and then later he remade himself into a top calibre 6 man on championship teams

Hellcrooner
10-25-2011, 09:54 PM
I think McAdoo is getting slighted. Yes it was partially the time period but his early 70's dominance offensively has rarely been matched in NBA history he also rebounded like a Mofo in those years too and then later he remade himself into a top calibre 6 man on championship teams

then the watered down league MERGed with the Aba and his dominance dissapeared.


Things happening from 68 to 75 on nba should have a heavy asterix on it.