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NYKalltheway
10-17-2011, 06:44 PM
I have compiled a list of NBA players from last season that have signed contracts (or almost going to sign) with teams overseas. This is a topic to discuss these players' performances and not a discussion about NBAPA or the lockout itself.

There's going to be an attempt to follow all players, or at least the very popular ones, with boxscores, post-match reviews, interviews and if possible some videos.

The list is incomplete and will surely grow as time passes and the lockout does not end. I will be updating the list as quickly as possible.

I'd appreciate any help as to what kind of ties each player has with the NBA. Be it 2 year contract, UFA, RFA or even rookie. I have not addded 2011 rookies who have opted to stay with their respective teams overseas, but 1st rounders will be used in the list as well. There are a few 2nd rounders that have signed overseas, but they are not guaranteed NBA players, so they should not be mentioned in this thread.

DeJuan Summers (Montepaschi Siena) [ITALY]

David Andersen (Montepaschi Siena) [ITALY]

Danilo Gallinari (AJ Milano) [ITALY]

Hilton Armstrong (ASVEL) [FRANCE]

Tony Parker (ASVEL) [FRANCE]

Nicolas Batum (Sluc Nancy) [FRANCE]

Sonny Weems (Zalgiris Kaunas) [LITHUANIA]

Ty Lawson (Zalgiris Kaunas) [LITHUANIA]

Leandro Barbosa (Flamengo) [BRAZIL]

Sasha Vujacic (Anadolu Efes) [TURKEY]

Ersan Ilyasova (Anadolu Efes) [TURKEY]

Thabo Sefolosha (Fenerbahce Ulker) [TURKEY]

Zaza Pachulia (Galatasaray) [TURKEY]

Darius Songaila (Galatasaray) [TURKEY]

Deron Williams (Besiktas) [TURKEY]

Semih Erder (Besiktas) [TURKEY]

Nenad Krstic (CSKA Moscow) [RUSSIA]

Andrei Kirilenko (CSKA Moscow) [RUSSIA]

Timofey Mozgov (Khimki) [RUSSIA]

Chris Quinn (Khimki) [RUSSIA]

Kyle Weaver (ALBA Berlin) [GERMANY]

Jordan Farmar (Maccabi Tel Aviv) [ISRAEL]

Trevor Booker (Bnei HaSharon) [ISRAEL]

Acie Law (Partizan Belgrade) [SERBIA]

Nikola Pekovic (Partizan Belgrade) [SERBIA]

Alonzo Gee (Prokom) [POLAND]

Devin Brown (Prokom) [POLAND]

Wilson Chandler (Zhejiang Guangsha) [CHINA]

JR Smith (Zhejiang Golden Bulls) [CHINA]

Kenyon Martin (Xinjiang Flying Tigers) [CHINA]

Yi Jianlian (Guangdong Hongyuan) [CHINA]

Josh Powell (Liaoning Dinosaurs) [CHINA]

Kevin Seraphin (Caja Laboral) [SPAIN]

Reggie Williams (Caja Laboral) [SPAIN]

Joey Dorsey (Caja Laboral) [SPAIN]

Rudy Fernandez (Real Madrid) [SPAIN]

Serge Ibaka (Real Madrid) [SPAIN]

Tiago Splitter (Valencia) [SPAIN]

Jerome Jordan (KK Kra) [SLOVENIA]

Danny Green (Union Olimpia) [SLOVENIA]

Bryon Mullens (Panionios) GREECE


Jose Calderon

Pau Gasol

Marc Gasol

TRAINING WITH BARCELONA [SPAIN] (not signed yet)

Corey Maggette (PAOK Salonica) [GREECE] (appeared training with the team, open session as well, but nothing signed yet)

NYKalltheway
10-17-2011, 06:56 PM
First Euroleague game of the season

Zalgiris Kaunas vs CSKA Moscow

In other words, Ty Lawson & Sonny Weems vs Andrei Kirilenko & Nenad Krstic

Boxscore here: http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=5

Ty Lawson 7 pts, 3 reb, 1 to
Sonny Weems 16 pts, 6 reb, 2 stl

Andrei Kirilenko 17 pts, 15 reb, 5 ast, 4 blk
Nenad Krtsic 11pts, 6 reb, 1 stl, 1 to

CSKA won the game 87-74

In Europe, first team = home team ;)

gwrighter
10-17-2011, 06:59 PM
nice to see weems play well

NYKalltheway
10-17-2011, 07:11 PM
Deron Williams' (and Semih Erden's) Besiktas lost to a Belgian team called Dexia Mons, an unknown team in Europe, on aggreggate for the EuroChallenge qualifiers. The EuroChallenge is the 3nd tier continental competition after the EuroLeague and the EuroCup, where the competition is significantly worse.

Besiktas won the first game by 8, then lost to the Belgians by 11, so got DQd for 3 points.
As for this Belgian team, quoting from another website, "Entire team's budget=1/3rd of Deron Williams' salary.”

Deron Williams' stats in 1st leg game:

35 Minutes

2-8 2PT
1-7 3PT
8-8 Ft

15 Points
9 Assists
2 Rebounds
3 Steals
0 Blocks
4 Fouls
2 Turnovers

Boxscore here: http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.gameID_8594-3-A-1.compID_BYg5Rb55Jw-G5I3MZ6JB01.season_2012.roundID_8594.teamID_.html

2nd leg game for Deron:

31 minutes

2/8 2PT
1/5 3PT
0/3 FT

7 points
7 assists
1 rebound
0 steals
0 blocks
4 fouls
6 turnovers

boxscore here: http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.gameID_8594-3-B-2.compID_BYg5Rb55Jw-G5I3MZ6JB01.season_2012.roundID_8593.teamID_.html

Take note that in FIBA rules you are fouled out after 5 fouls, not 6 ;)

YoungOne
10-17-2011, 07:15 PM
williams first game in turkish league - 11 points, 5 assists 2-10 FG

semih erden: 13p 8r

http://www.tbl.org.tr/beko/mac.asp?sezon=2011-2012&mac=1EA529

thy for the great thread btw ;)

YoungOne
10-17-2011, 07:18 PM
teodosic in the nba would be great..

NYKalltheway
10-17-2011, 07:18 PM
good, someone who understands Turkish :) We'll need those TBL boxscores for the 4 main teams for Vujacic, Songaila, Erden, Deron, Pachulia, Sefolosha and Ilyasova

YoungOne
10-17-2011, 07:22 PM
http://www.tbl.org.tr/beko/mac.asp?sezon=2011-2012&mac=1EA532

vujacic 18p 7-14 fg
ilyasova 10p 4-7 fg

http://www.tbl.org.tr/beko/mac.asp?sezon=2011-2012&mac=1EA531

pachulia 11p 4-7 fg
songaila 19p 7-8 fg

YoungOne
10-17-2011, 07:26 PM
3 games featuring kyle weaver in the BBL in germany including 22 point performance:

http://www.beko-bbl.de/remotecontent/deliver.php?menuid=1212&saisonx=2011&team_id=413&topmenu=270&xget=%2Fbeko-bbl%2Fteams%2Fspielplan.php

YoungOne
10-17-2011, 07:33 PM
french scoreboard

http://www.lnb.fr/fr/Pro-A/200003/Calendrier-Resultats

YoungOne
10-17-2011, 07:35 PM
spanish scoreboard ;)

http://www.acb.com/resulcla.php?codigo=LACB-56&jornada=1&resultados=1

Hawkeye15
10-17-2011, 08:02 PM
I stickied this

NYKalltheway
10-17-2011, 08:15 PM
Tomorrow's EuroLeague games:

Unics Kazan vs Montepaschi Siena (Siena: DeJuan Summers & David Andersen)
@ 12:00 EST

Fenerbahce vs Caja Laboral (Thabo Sefolosha VS Reggie Williams, Joey Dorsey, Kevin Seraphin)
@ 13:00 EST

Cantu vs Sluc Nancy (Nancy: Nicolas Batum)
@ 14:45 EST

Prokom vs Galatasaray (Alonzo Gee & Devin Brown VS Zaza Pachulia & Darius Songaila)
@ 14:45 EST

Thursday's EuroLeague games:

Partizan vs Anadolu Efes (Nikola Pekovic & Acie Law VS Ersan Ilyasova & Sasha Vujacic)
@ 13:00 EST

Spirou Charleroi vs Real Madrid (Real Madrid: Rudy Fernandez)
@ 14:30 EST

AJ Milano vs Maccabi Tel Aviv (Danilo Gallinari VS Jordan Farmar)
@ 14:45 EST

Union Olimpia vs Barcelona (Olimpia: Danny Green)
@ 14:45 EST

Underlined key games

YoungOne
10-17-2011, 08:49 PM
man I still could bite my ***, that I didnt know iverson played a game in germany last year just 2 hours away from me xD

Stack_NJNets
10-17-2011, 09:30 PM
Awesome thread

NYKalltheway
10-18-2011, 08:28 AM
Corey Maggette's experience in Greece:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lErkkwI5EY
Welcome by the fans at the airport

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1oD8YreuAc
Open training session (means there's presence of fans and press ;) )

3mikee_
10-18-2011, 11:11 AM
Cool thread... Surprised not more players are heading over to China.

NYKalltheway
10-18-2011, 04:25 PM
I should have specified by "tomorrow" I meant Wednesday :)

Here's a new statistics page for the Euroleague.
KK Kra, Besiktas, Khimki, ALBA Berlin and ASVEL are not in the EuroLeague.
Credit for the page goes to two members of another basketball forum.

http://www.in-the-game.org/statistics/index.php?global=players&type=total&round=full&club=all&filter=all&season=2011

fin_frenzy_84
10-19-2011, 01:46 AM
So Parker will not be playing this upcoming season if lockout ends???

NYKalltheway
10-19-2011, 11:03 AM
Of course he will be playing, just not in the top competition.

European sports have multi-tier domestic leagues (one for each country)
In European basketball, you also have some regional leagues (Adriatic league for mostly ex-Yugoslavian teams, VTB league for northern ex-USSR teams, Baltic league for Baltic teams.. not sure if there's more)

Then you have the continental competitions.
EuroChallenge, #3 competition. Pretty insignificant and will be removed and merged with #2 competition next year from what I've read
EuroCup, #2 competition. Where most of the teams are not really good, but the tio 5-6 teams are quite good and could compete against lower quality EuroLeague teams
EuroLeague, #1 competition. Top teams can beat NBA teams and challenge them in a hard fight under NBA rules which they are less familiar with and NBA teams struggle against them under mixed rules (let's not imagine what would happen in FIBA rules, and why Stern doesn't allow exhibition games under FIBA rules :D )

As for Tony Parker:

French National League
EuroCup


I'd say they are one of the strong teams in the EuroCup but haven't seen the rest honestly.

P.S/ I'm not 100% sure, but I think Ronny Turiaf plays in the same team too as he's on the team's website but he's wearing a Knicks jersey in the photo unlike everyone else. Need confirmation.

NYKalltheway
10-19-2011, 11:09 AM
EuroCup begins on the 15th of November

Cholet Basket vs Khimki(Mozgov) [Cholet was supposed to sign a couple of French NBA stars, no one signed yet]

VEF Riga vs PAOK (Maggette could be playing here if he stays at PAOK)

these two games also happen to be the fixtures of Group B in the EuroCup so we might see a Mozgov VS Maggette encounter twice

ASVEL vs Valencia (Tony Parker, Hilton Armstrong and perhaps Ronny Turiaf vs last year's EuroLeague team Valencia, who are 2010 title holders in EuroCup iirc)


Dexia Mons vs ALBA (Kyle Weaver for ALBA vs the team that knocked out Deron Williams' and Semih Erden's Besiktas)

Antipod
10-19-2011, 11:42 AM
Keep them coming mate :)
You started smth nice, hope you`ll keep up ;)

NYKalltheway
10-19-2011, 07:55 PM
Prokom vs Galatasaray 73-77

Boxscore: http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=11

FYI, 1st rounder of 2011 Donatas Motiejunas plays for Prokom as well.

Prokom:

Devin Brown, 16:14 minutes
7 pts, 3/5 2PT, 0/2 3PT, 1/3 FT
2 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 assist, 2 turnovers
was blocked 1 time
3 fouls committed and 3 times was fouled by opposition
Ranking* of 2 (below average)

Alonzo Gee, 27:51 minutes
10 pts, 3/5 2PT, 1/1 3PT, 1/2 FT
9 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 turnovers
3 fouls committed and 2 times was fouled by opposition
Ranking of 15 (good performance)


Galatasaray:

Zaza Pachulia, 04:39 minutes**
0 pts, 0/2 2PT
1 rebound, 1 turnover
Ranking of -1 (quite bad)


Darius Songaila, 15:57 minutes
3 points, 1/4 2PT, 1/2 FT
4 rebounds, 1 turnover
3 fouls committed and 2 times fouled by opposition
Ranking of 1 (below average)

* Ranking is an evaluation method that EuroLeague uses. It has negative values as well and the more the better. A great performance usually gives out a ranking of over 25 and if it's more it's an extremely amazing performance (eg Kirilenko on Monday had a ranking of 37 which is too good to be true)

** Can anyone who saw the game or read anything tell us if Pachulia was injured or something? 4 minutes is just too little to not have any injuries involved.

NYKalltheway
10-19-2011, 08:03 PM
Unics Kazan vs Montepaschi Siena 71-79

Boxscore: http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=12

Montepaschi Siena:

David Andersen, 21:59 minutes
13 pts, 2/8 2PT, 1/3 3PT, 6/7 FT
5 rebounds, 1 turnover
1 block, 1 time blocked
1 foul committed and fouled 4 times by opposition
Ranking of 11 (above average)

DaJuan Summers, 18:21 minutes
4 pts, 2/4 2PT
1 rebound, 1 turnover
3 fouls committed and was fouled 1 time by opposition
Ranking unavailable for some reason, but should be 0 which is below average/quite bad


Cantu vs Sluc Nancy 80-69

Boxscore: http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=1

Nicolas Batum, 40 minutes (the whole game!!!)
13 pts, 2/8 2PT, 1/3 3PT, 6/8 FT
7 rebounds, 8 assists, 5 turnovers
1 foul committed and was fouled 7 times by opposition
Ranking of 19 (quite good performance)

Ezio
10-19-2011, 08:06 PM
Just wondering if you can possibly post some Nikola Mirotic game stats. Kind of hard to find info on him.

NYKalltheway
10-19-2011, 08:09 PM
Fenerbahce Ulker vs Caja Laboral 66-69

Boxscore: http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=3

Fenerbahce Ulker:

Thabo Sefolosha, 21:17 minutes
7 pts, 1/4 2PT, 1/2 3PT, 2/4 FT
2 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 turnover
1 block
2 fouls committed and 2 times fouled by opposition
Ranking of 5 (not really good)

Caja Laboral:

Reggie Williams, 15:32 minutes
6 pts, 3/5 2PT
1 rebound, 1 assist, 1 steal, 3 turnovers
4 fouls committed and was fouled 2 times by opposition
Ranking of 2 (below average)

Kevin Seraphin, 14:53 minutes
10 pts, 4/8 2PT, 2/2 FT
6 rebounds, 1 turnover
1 block and was blocked 1 time
4 fouls committed and was fouled 1 time
Ranking of 7 (average)

Joey Dorsey did not play and was not on the team for the game (possible injury)

NYKalltheway
10-19-2011, 08:10 PM
Just wondering if you can possibly post some Nikola Mirotic game stats. Kind of hard to find info on him.

Mirotic's stats will be up tomorrow after Real Madrid's game ;) They have an easy opponent so I guess if he gets enough playing time he can get a nice outcome. I will surely post the boxscore from that game as well since Rudy Fernandez plays for that team as well.

NYKalltheway
10-19-2011, 09:43 PM
Panathinaikos head coach was invited in a basketball show (EuroLeague post-match show) and has stated that Kevin Garnett's agent approached the team so that KG would play for Panathinaikos.

The coach rejected this deal (mostly fearing that the lockout would end and KG would be expensive so somebody would have to be sacrificed)

Link is in Greek, you can use translation softwares I guess :)
http://www.sentragoal.gr/article.asp?catid=10601&subid=2&pubid=128818006

Basically the coach said: "we had to think of the team"

We are talking about a coach that favors 2-4 hour training sessions every day except matchdays and a 12 man rotation in the last 8 years for the most of the season. Would have been great if Garnett was signed instead of a young American PF who played last season at a Greek club, but it's not the same $$$ :)

Guess we know why Garnett doesn't want the lockout to end, he wants to play in Europe :D

Ezio
10-19-2011, 10:00 PM
Mirotic's stats will be up tomorrow after Real Madrid's game ;) They have an easy opponent so I guess if he gets enough playing time he can get a nice outcome. I will surely post the boxscore from that game as well since Rudy Fernandez plays for that team as well.

Sweet thanks. Yeah pretty sure Rudy plays for them .

NYKalltheway
10-21-2011, 10:36 AM
I'm not gonna write the individual stats like last time as it's time consuming, you can simply see them on the boxscore. Just posting the basic stats + ranking.

Partizan-Efes Anadolu 74-83

Boxscore: http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=7

Partizan:

Acie Law, 6 pts in 23 minutes, 3 assists and 6 turnovers.
Ranking of -6 (pretty bad)

Nikola Pekovic, 21 pts in 19 minutes, 6 rebounds was fouled out (and was also fouled 12 times!)
Ranking of 29 (best individual performance of the game)

Efes:

Sasha Vujacic, 14 pts in 32 minutes, 4 steals, 2 assists
Ranking of 16 (quite good performance)

Ersan Ilyasova, 10 pts in 27 minutes, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 4 steals and 2 blocks
Ranking of 20 (2nd best of his team)

NYKalltheway
10-21-2011, 10:45 AM
Spirou Charleroi-Real Madrid 76-100

Real Madrid:

Rudy Fernandez 19 pts in 28 minutes, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals
Ranking of 21 (2nd best of his team)

and as requested:

Nikola Mirotic 9 pts in 17 minutes, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover
Ranking of 12 (okay performance)


AJ Milano-Maccabi Tel Aviv 89-82

AJ Milano:
Danilo Gallinari, 23 pts in 33 minutes, 7 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 4 turnovers
Ranking of 28 (2nd highest for his team)

Maccabi:
Jordan Farmar, 6 pts in 30 minutes, 1 rebound, 1 assist, 2 steals
Ranking of 1 (below average)

Union Olimpia-Barcelona 64-86

Union Olimpia:
Danny Green 17 pts in 36 minutes, 4 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, 2 turnovers
Ranking of 18 (highest for his team, but not really that great)

Game1 boxscore: http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=8
Game2 boxscore: http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=9
Game3 boxscore: http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=10

P.S: These boxscores will probably disappear after the 2nd game of the group stage but you can find them again here:
http://www.euroleague.net/
Go to GAMES->RESULTS, pick the matchday (Game 1 = week 1 and so on) and you can also find reports of the games there ;)

Don't think Olympiakos and Bilbao have NBA lockout players so perhaps this is it from EuroLeague Week 1

Ezio
10-21-2011, 10:56 AM
I want to find why Nikola's minutes have gone down.

NYKalltheway
10-21-2011, 04:10 PM
What do you mean? He's a 15-20 minute player for Real Madrid's rotation. Not much playing time with Rudy Fernandez, Pocius, Suarez, Velickovic and Reyes to share 2 positions. Reyes and Velickovis are his main rivals but Pocius and Rudy play the 3spot as well while they won't need Mirotic's 3 ability playing as a 4 with 3 guards in the lineup.
Reyes also was the MVP of the game so could be a reason why Mirotic wasn't used more in this easy win.

NYKalltheway
10-21-2011, 10:05 PM
Basketball-Round up-Euroleague a different world for NBA players

NBA players are used to getting standing ovations from the fans but those making their debut in Europe's premier club competition this week were surprised to get one even after they lost.

The first two weeks of the NBA regular season has been cancelled due to a lockout that began on July 1 after the players and owners failed to reach a new collective bargaining agreement. Several players have opted to join teams in the Euroleague while the dispute continues.

Point guard Acie Law, who played for five NBA teams, joined Serbian champions Partizan Belgrade in July and was stunned by the passion of the fans on opening night on Thursday.

"I've never seen anything like it, you don't see fans like that in the United States," Law told Reuters after Partizan's 84-73 home loss to Anadolu Efes istanbul.

"Never in my career have fans treated us to a standing ovation for half an hour after we lost the game, the atmosphere was unbelievable.

"A lot of good players from the NBA are here and they will have to adjust because the European game is different, but having so many of them will make the competition stronger when they adapt," he said.

Efes guard Sasha Vujacic, who like Law struggled for much of the game, pointed out several differences and contrasting strategies of European basketball and the NBA.

"In the NBA, the game plan usually comes down to who prevails in personal one-on-one battles, whereas it's more of a team sport here," said Vujacic, who won NBA titles in 2009 and 2010 with the Los Angeles Lakers.

"It should be easier for me because I played in Italy before I went to the United States but those NBA players who have never played here will need time to adapt.

"One or two outstanding players won't make as much difference here as they do in the NBA, their statistics will depend on their team roles and hence the depth of each team's roster will be essential," he added.

Russian forward Andrei Kirilenko returned to CSKA Moscow after a 10-year stint with the Utah Jazz and said it did not take him long to find his feet.

"It was a bit unusual to play in the Euroleague again, some rules are different but I think I got used to it pretty quickly," said Kirilenko, scored 17 points and had 15 rebounds in an 87-74 road win over Zhalgiris Kaunas of Lithuania.

Rudy Fernandez of NBA champions Dallas also enjoyed a memorable return to European basketball with 19 points in Real Madrid's 100-76 win over at Belgians Spirou Charleroi.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/21102011/2/basketball-round-euroleague-different-world-nba-players.html

NYKalltheway
10-23-2011, 04:13 PM
http://www.thirdage.com/news/dirk-nowitzki-to-head-oversees-if-nba-lockout-continues_10-23-2011

Dirk Nowitzki To Head Overseas If NBA Lockout Continues

Dirk Nowitzki intends to train and play in Europe if no resolution to the NBA lockout is soon forthcoming, the Associated Press reports.

"If there is no settlement, I'll go back home any time soon and probably start training with my coach again and really get back in the routine" the Dallas Mavericks forward and 2011 NBA Finals MVP told reporters after throwing out the first pitch for Game 3 of the World Series Saturday night. "Got to keep the options open, maybe see what's going on overseas."

For the moment, Nowitzki has confined himself to at-home exercising.

"I've just been keeping in shape, you know, working out, doing lots of cardio and lifting a little bit and running," he said. "If the season will start any time soon, I think I'll be ready."

Nowitzki, a native of Würzburg, Germany and four-year veteran of the German professional basketball Bundesliga, was pessimistic about the prospects for resolution. Because of the lockout, NBA training camp and the first two weeks of the season have been canceled.

"We're all hoping, I guess, with the mediator, that something was going to happen, and just talks broke off, so it's very unfortunate," he said. "Hopefully we can get something going here any time soon. But it doesn't look good."

NYKalltheway
10-23-2011, 04:17 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Deron-Williams-is-finding-Turkish-basketball-lif?urn=nba-wp9674

All-Star point guard Deron Williams(notes) was one of the first players to sign a contract in Europe to make money during the lockout. Not only that, but he made the decision way back in July, which suggests he's some sort of lockout Tiresias. Or, you know, a guy who read the news.

Williams has been in Turkey playing for Besiktas for some time now. Not surprisingly, he is finding the experience to be very different from that of the NBA. He's blogging about the experience for ESPN.com. Here's a taste (via TBJ):


This is my first year playing international ball, so I'm still just trying to figure everything out with regard to my role. Obviously I've played in the Olympics with the same style of play, but that was still different because all of my teammates were American. They've actually been playing me at the two guard a lot here. Whatever I can do to help the team, I'm willing. I don't have any personal goals or stats I'm looking for over here; I just want to stay in shape, play basketball and have fun. As a team, we just want to win as many games as possible, win the Turkish League and now the Euro Challenge. I don't know how many of those games I'll have a chance to be a part of, but for every game I am here for, those are my goals.

I know that this situation is different for me than it is for everyone else here. When I leave to go back to the NBA, they're all still going to be here. So I'm not trying to come in here and prove anything. It's more about just trying to be part of a team over here, win some games and make my teammates better.

The locker room atmosphere has the same feel as the NBA. All of the guys get along and joke with each other. Pretty much every guy on the team speaks English. There are only one or two guys who don't speak great English, but even they know enough to get by. I'd say English is the "official" language on the team actually. Our coach Ergin Ataman speaks English most of the time, except for when he's yelling at one of the Turkish players. Then he tends to go into Turkish mode. I'm not really sure what he's saying, but if he's not yelling at me I guess it doesn't matter.

Apparently European Basketball is a place where one of the two or three best point guards in the NBA has to play off the ball. If that doesn't prove that there's an adjustment to be made, then I don't know what does.

In all honesty, Williams appears to be approaching his Turkish working vacation in exactly the right way. He knows he's returning to America when the lockout ends, so he's taking pains to play the role of guest and not disrupting any of Besiktas's permanent arrangements. He's trying to help the team win games, but he also knows his employment is largely a business arrangement. Why force his will onto the team when he won't wear the uniform for more than a season (at most)?

With the lockout dragging on, it's likely that more players will head overseas. If that's the case, they should follow Williams' example and respect the basketball culture they're encountering. Turkish basketball isn't going to change forever just because Deron Williams is in the country. Realizing as much is a sign of intelligence and worldliness.

NYKalltheway
10-25-2011, 10:07 AM
Serge Ibaka joins Real Madrid

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/10/25/2512582/serge-ibaka-signs-real-madrid-oklahoma-city-thunder

NYKalltheway
10-26-2011, 09:15 AM
According to this http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/pistons-g-stuckey-wooed-by-chinese-team--580303.html

..Rodney Stuckey might join a Chinese team called Guangdong Southern Tigers.

NYKalltheway
10-26-2011, 09:17 AM
Unicaja Malaga vs Zalgiris Kaunas 85-78

Box score: http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=18

Zalgiris:

Ty Lawson 7 pts in 24 minutes, 9 rebounds, 1 steal, 3 turnovers, twice blocked
Ranking of 8 (average)

Sonny Weems 21 pts in 36 minutes, 8 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 5 turnovers, 1 block
Ranking of 18 (quite good)



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Wednesday's games:
CSKA Moscow vs Brose Baskets (Kirilenko, Krstic)
Anadolu Efes vs Spirou Charleroi (Ilyasova, Vujacic)
Caja Laboral vs Cantu (Seraphin, Dorsey, Reggie Williams)

Thurdsay's games:
Galatasaray vs Unics (Songaila, Pachulia)
Siena vs Olimpia (David Andersen, DeJuan Summers vs Danny Green)
Olympiakos vs Fenerbahce Ulker (Sefolosha)
Sluc Nancy vs Bilbao (Batum)
Real Madrid vs AJ Milano (Rudy Fernandez, Ibaka? + Mirotic vs Gallinari)
Barcelona vs Prokom (Alonzo Gee, Devin Brown)
Maccabi vs Partizan (Farmar vs Pekovic, Acie Law)

P.S: If anyone is interested for 2011 first round or second round picks that are currently in Europe just say so ;)

YoungOne
10-26-2011, 09:33 AM
Pinar Karşiyaka - Beşiktaş Milangaz
( 93 ) - ( 100 )

http://www.tbl.org.tr/beko/mac.asp?sezon=2011-2012&mac=1EA541

Deron Williams 24p 10a 4r 9-14 fg
Semih Erden 10p 8r 3-7 fg

youtube recap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAO7Loe4bEY

Ezio
10-26-2011, 10:02 AM
What do you mean? He's a 15-20 minute player for Real Madrid's rotation. Not much playing time with Rudy Fernandez, Pocius, Suarez, Velickovic and Reyes to share 2 positions. Reyes and Velickovis are his main rivals but Pocius and Rudy play the 3spot as well while they won't need Mirotic's 3 ability playing as a 4 with 3 guards in the lineup.
Reyes also was the MVP of the game so could be a reason why Mirotic wasn't used more in this easy win.

During the last tourney in where he won the MVP, I thought he was playing more minutes for Spain. I could care less though would rather have his minutes like that so he doesn't get hurt and set him back a year.

NYKalltheway
10-27-2011, 05:12 PM
He was playing with a bunch of kids... U19 or something, not the main Spain team

NYKalltheway
11-05-2011, 02:25 PM
Haven't really updated this but thought someone else would post boxscores or something.

Last night:

Panathinaikos vs Zalgiris 92-75 (Lawson + Weems for Zalgiris)
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=28

Post-game, Sonny Weems:

"I believe Panathinaikos has a great team. I think they can do a repeat and win the EuroLeague again if they want to. And I loved the atmosphere, the fans, I've never seen anything like this. Overall, it's a great experience to be here, to see the passionate fans support their team and basketball. It's something really great."

Part of the atmosphere:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU7yiWK1ROg

Thurdsay:

Fenerbahce Ulker vs Sluc Nancy 90-86 (Sefolosha vs Batum)
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=26

Maccabi Tel Aviv vs Real Madrid 88-82 (Farmar vs Rudy Fernandez & Ibaka + Mirotic)
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=33

Partizan vs Spirou 91-81 (Pekovic & Acie Law for Partizan)
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=31

AJ Milan vs Anadolu Efes 54-62 (Gallinari vs Ilyasova & Vujacic)
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=32

Wednesday:

Caja Laboral vs Olympiakos 81-79 (Dorsey, Seraphin & Reggie Williams for Caja Laboral)
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=27

KK Zagreb vs CSKA Moscow 47-89 (Kirilenko & Krstic for CSKA)
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=30

Siena vs Galatasaray 103-77 (Songaila & Pachulia for Galatasaray)
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=36

Union Olimpia vs Prokom 70-62 (Danny Green vs Alonzo Gee)
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=34

lakers4sho
11-06-2011, 12:22 AM
In Euroleague play, former Laker, Jordan Farmar led Maccabi Tel Aviv to a victory over previously undefeated Real Madrid.

Farmar shot 10-12 from the field and 6-9 from the line for 27 points, he also tallied 4 rebounds and 5 assists.

This was Farmar's third Euroleague game but was his first when healthy, previously Farmar had been dealing with an ankle and groin injury.

With Rudy Fernandez and Serge Ibaka looking visibly and mentally shook when tasked with slowing down FARMSTAR, it's looking more and more like the Jewish Jordan is finally ready to break out in the NBA...


Jordan Farmar was named the Euroleague MVP for Week 3 play.

Farmar had 27 points, five assists and four rebounds in Maccabi Tel Aviv's 88-82 win over Real Madrid.


So much for struggling eh? :eyebrow:

Hellcrooner
11-06-2011, 12:25 AM
Luol Deng is negotiation with Bilbao Basket club in case theres no season.

Calderon+Marc+Pau still training at barcelona.

Stack_NJNets
11-06-2011, 05:44 PM
Farmar has been playing good as of late..

lakers4sho
11-07-2011, 11:25 AM
Deron Williams 21 points 5 assists...

NYKalltheway
11-08-2011, 08:58 PM
Kirilenko stated he's really looking forward to play against Panathinaikos in Athens, to live the atmosphere. It's on Thurdsay btw. Could have had a AK47 vs Kevin Garnett matchup here but PAO didn't wanna bet on the lockout situation to waste their money and the season on KG

NYKalltheway
11-15-2011, 07:24 PM
Forgot to post the boxscores of last matchday, you can find them on euroleague.net


Maccabi Tel Aviv has signed Omri Casspi to join Jordan Farmar and they are interested in signing Amare Stoudemire(he also stated he'd be interested a few months ago).

Tiago Splitter will also join a European team again, not sure whether it's Unicaja Malaga, Saski Baskonia(Caja Laboral) or Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Turks are going ballistic with the lockout situation. Kevin Durant, Manu Ginobili, Dirk Nowitzki, Chris Paul, Omer Asik, Hedo Turkoglu are all rumored to sign with Turkish teams.

The Gasol brothers and Jose Calderon might join Barcelona.

I'm sure there are Kobe Bryant rumors as well in Italy and Spain

NYKalltheway
11-16-2011, 06:36 PM
Tiago Splitter signed with Valencia according to sources

Hellcrooner
11-16-2011, 10:34 PM
splitter signed for valencia untill lockout is over.

http://www.marca.com/2011/11/16/balo...321445485.html

howard on real madrids orbit to join rudy and ibaka to try to make up for the gasol effect in rivals barcelona ( both gasols and calderon will sign for them if lockout goes on)
http://www.marca.com/2011/11/16/balo...321457331.html

NYKalltheway
11-18-2011, 07:33 PM
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=57

Real Madrid beat Anadolu Efes 104-84 in Spain

Mirotic had the highest Rkg (22) with also 17 pts. Rudy Fernandez had 14pts. Ibaka was really poor with 3 pts in 8 minutes and a Rkg of 2.
On the other side, Vujacic had a quite good game while Ilyasova was Efes' best player with 14 pts and a rkg of 20


As for CSKA Moscow, Kirilenko once again dominated the game. Definitely the best player in the tournament by far.

Now we are waiting to see if NBA top tier stars will indeed follow and join European teams (not many would really want them at this point honestly, too expensive and rosters are set for most teams).
Talking about guys like Durant, Wade, Howard etc

lakers4sho
11-19-2011, 04:07 AM
I think among the current crop, Kobe will be the first one to go overseas.

NYKalltheway
11-20-2011, 08:53 AM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmg575_yyyyyyyyyyyy-yyy-yyy-yyyyyyyyy_sport

Kirilenko's injury. Bleeding actually. 2 weeks out most probably

NYKalltheway
11-21-2011, 11:59 PM
TJ Ford has joined the club

T.J. Ford to play for KK Zagreb
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7264511/tj-ford-indiana-pacers-play-croatia-kk-zagreb-lockout

NYKalltheway
11-24-2011, 06:26 PM
TJ Ford has 10 assists and 0 points in his EuroLeague debut! Including 3 turnovers

Batum had a bad day, AK47 is injured, Ibaka and Mirotic had solid games while Rudy Fernandez played quite badly. Gallinari was amazing with 24 points (33 rkg) while Farmar played really well too with 21 pts and 5 assists (24 rkg, had also 6 turnovers)

NYKalltheway
11-24-2011, 09:58 PM
Lamar Odom joins Besiktas. Team that Deron Williams is already a part of.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7277119/los-angeles-lakers-lamar-odom-besiktas-reach-agreement-sources-say

NYKalltheway
11-25-2011, 06:01 PM
Tyreke Evans signed for Virtus Roma (Italian team)

http://www.virtusroma.it/news/ultimissime/accordo-raggiunto-con-tyreke-evans/

Dirk Nowitzki supposedly will sign for Real Madrid if no-season is official

Reggie Williams leaves Caja Laboral. Pretty much a failure here

NYKalltheway
11-26-2011, 11:54 AM
Lockout is over so I guess this shouldn't be a sticky in the NBA forum :)