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Ty Fast
10-17-2011, 03:02 PM
I say Josh Hamilton.

Jeffy25
10-17-2011, 03:07 PM
ridiculously impossible to predict.

any one of 50 guys can win it. It's completely unpredictable.

But I'll say a pitcher is probably due to come up in this predictably highly offensive series.

Pinstripe pride
10-17-2011, 03:13 PM
nelson cruz

"Ace"ves
10-17-2011, 03:14 PM
Albert Pujols.... in a losing effort... then Pujols signs somewhere else....and caught with PEDs

no jk, that'd be the saddest thing ever.

I say Carpenter wins it

CHRISDODGERS
10-17-2011, 03:16 PM
Matt Kemp will

"Ace"ves
10-17-2011, 03:18 PM
Matt Kemp will

but he already won regular season MVP, triple crown, comeback player [even though he never left], Hank Aaron, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove, and Cy Young. Oh and DHL delivery man of the year.

CHRISDODGERS
10-17-2011, 03:19 PM
but he already won regular season MVP, triple crown, comeback player [even though he never left], Hank Aaron, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove, and Cy Young. Oh and DHL delivery man of the year.

That's just how good he is.


Nahh but seriously, it's impossible to predict. I'd put my money on Cruz though

Yankee Clipper
10-17-2011, 03:20 PM
My gut instinct is Cruz but I could very well see a starter coming away with the award.

Pittz
10-17-2011, 03:28 PM
Adrian Beltre.

metsfaninSTL
10-17-2011, 03:31 PM
if rangers win it will be cruz
if cards win it will be berkman

just my opinion

"Ace"ves
10-17-2011, 03:34 PM
That's just how good he is.


Nahh but seriously, it's impossible to predict. I'd put my money on Cruz though

haha, absolutely. i hate to be a typical yankee fan, but i hope we sign him to a huuuge contract that he can never live up to cause its so much $$. if not... then i hope he is a dodger for his career.

Cruz has a decent shot

B-Ray
10-17-2011, 03:53 PM
Michael Young. He's been heating up lately and is primed for a great series.

keymax
10-17-2011, 03:54 PM
Nick Punto or Ryan Theriot. The scrap factor in a Cardinals WS run cannot be underestimated!

WoodandNails
10-17-2011, 04:06 PM
I don't see any pitcher winning two games in this series (or at least pitching well enough in two games to earn MVP consideration), so my bet would be on a hitter. From there, you still have a ton of realistic choices, so you might as well guess.

I'll say Mike Napoli.

The one thing we can be pretty sure of is that the player who wins it this year will be a better player than last year's World Series MVP.

twentysix
10-17-2011, 04:10 PM
Kinsler for MVP!

ManningToTyree
10-17-2011, 04:10 PM
Cruz

Azzacadabra
10-17-2011, 04:15 PM
Well the way it's been going David Freese has a good shot because he's been pretty clutch these playoffs.

stipe1280
10-17-2011, 04:34 PM
I'm leaning towards Michael Young here. He had a bit of a rough ALDS and ALCS and should start heating up for this series. My other thought was that Kinsler might be able to pull it off (think he'll have a nice series), but as leadoff, I don't think he'll get as many RBI's.

VenezuelanMet
10-17-2011, 04:59 PM
Endy Chavez

"Ace"ves
10-17-2011, 05:01 PM
Nick Punto or Ryan Theriot. The scrap factor in a Cardinals WS run cannot be underestimated!

I love Theriot.... im one of few

But Punto winning it would be hilarious...guy is more offensively challenged than... almost everyone on the postseason roster (besides the AL pitchers....no they're better too)

Yankee Clipper
10-17-2011, 05:02 PM
I love Theriot.... im one of few

But Punto winning it would be hilarious...guy is more offensively challenged than... almost everyone on the postseason roster (besides the AL pitchers....no they're better too)

:laugh2:

Ty Fast
10-17-2011, 05:28 PM
but he already won regular season MVP, triple crown, comeback player [even though he never left], Hank Aaron, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove, and Cy Young. Oh and DHL delivery man of the year.

what about manager of the year???

RTL
10-17-2011, 05:44 PM
Berkman helps his cause of winning his first ring!

McPeak92
10-17-2011, 08:21 PM
Cruz but I would like to see Hamilton win it.

Texas Holders
10-17-2011, 08:49 PM
I am not sure what the history is of a guy winning both the LCS and WS MVP in the same year, but I would say it hasn't happened often. Pretty tough to stay the hottest guy on your team for two 7-game series, so I am eliminating Freese and Cruz from my guess. I am throwing out the pitching staffs as well, although I can see Carpenter coming out and dominating and considering he will be matched up with Wilson, who hasn't pitched that well lately, I can see him picking up two wins. I am going with Matt Holliday, looks like he over his hand injury and he started getting hot at the end of the NLCS, I see that carrying over to the WS.

Jeffy25
10-17-2011, 09:00 PM
I am not sure what the history is of a guy winning both the LCS and WS MVP in the same year, but I would say it hasn't happened often.

Livan Hernandez in 97 and Stargell in 79, Porter in 82, Hersh in 88, and Hamels in 08 (so a fair amount of times, and they didn't have LCS MVP's prior to the 70's) but, oddly enough, the person the usually wins the LCS MVP tends to actually have a fairly poor WS. And guys that win the WS MVP tend to have had a poor LCS.

It isn't every year, but it seems to happen more often than guys having great consistent series. (I am basing this on a fair amount of looking them up, but not all of them)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/postmvp.shtml
You can look them up for yourself if you would like.

Texas Holders
10-17-2011, 09:17 PM
Livan Hernandez in 97 and Stargell in 79, Porter in 82, Hersh in 88, and Hamels in 08 (so a fair amount of times, and they didn't have LCS MVP's prior to the 70's) but, oddly enough, the person the usually wins the LCS MVP tends to actually have a fairly poor WS. And guys that win the WS MVP tend to have had a poor LCS.

It isn't every year, but it seems to happen more often than guys having great consistent series. (I am basing this on a fair amount of looking them up, but not all of them)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/postmvp.shtml
You can look them up for yourself if you would like.

That is basically what I thought, I can see a pitcher sweeping the awards being more likely, than an everyday player. Michael Young wouldn't be a bad possibility either, he hit well in the last game of the ALCS (who didn't though). Berkman wasn't the greatest in the NLCS, but his production has slowed down in the second half of the year and I just see that the season has worn him down. Although, he may have just enough in the reserve tank to get hot.

Jeffy25
10-17-2011, 09:25 PM
Berkman slowed down?

.995 OPS in July
.850 OPS in Aug
.941 OPS in Sept

I mean, he only hit 3 home runs after Aug 1st, but he still drew a ton of walks and got his share of base hits. His power dropped sure, but not his production.


I could see Berkman sneaking it in. It's just too hard to predict.

Mudvayne91
10-17-2011, 09:25 PM
I'm going with The Machine when in doubt.

WolvesJagsOs
10-17-2011, 09:46 PM
Gonna go with Cruz.

c0rbz
10-17-2011, 09:46 PM
Don Kelly

salto
10-18-2011, 02:32 PM
Yadi---for defense and a clutch bat. MLB commentary said the other day that Texas would be running on the Cardinals. They must not be paying attention...hope they try.

getfoul
10-18-2011, 02:46 PM
Ian Kinsler

Melo15
10-18-2011, 04:18 PM
Adrian Beltre.

Fly
10-18-2011, 04:24 PM
Rafeal Furcal :nod:

JoeDirt05
10-18-2011, 04:43 PM
I love Theriot.... im one of few

But Punto winning it would be hilarious...guy is more offensively challenged than... almost everyone on the postseason roster (besides the AL pitchers....no they're better too)

david eckstein won it last time we were here talk about offensively challenged dude could barely hit it out of the infiled

"Ace"ves
10-18-2011, 04:49 PM
david eckstein won it last time we were here talk about offensively challenged dude could barely hit it out of the infiled

i know... i was thinking of him when i wrote in punto.... mad funny

Jeffy25
10-18-2011, 04:55 PM
Scrappy players lol.

JoeDirt05
10-18-2011, 04:57 PM
i know... i was thinking of him when i wrote in punto.... mad funny

i still love that little scrappy bastard he was the ultimate team player thats for sure

"Ace"ves
10-18-2011, 06:02 PM
i still love that little scrappy bastard he was the ultimate team player thats for sure

me too :)

SportsAndrew25
10-19-2011, 08:44 PM
I would say either Hamilton or Cruz. Both are due for an incredible performance.

Zetterberg40
10-19-2011, 09:01 PM
I want to go with Kinsler since I think he is going to have a big series but leading off and the pitcher batting in St Louis he wont have many RBI opportunities and that will hurt his chances so I'm going to say Josh Hamilton adds a world series ring and a MVP to his remarkable comeback story

YEDN90
10-19-2011, 09:12 PM
Derek Jeter.

He'll drive his Edge around and his clutch, grittyness will win him WSMVP.

But for real, Pujols.

turnaround3
10-19-2011, 09:30 PM
Mike Napoli

Texas Holders
10-20-2011, 05:38 AM
After 1 game I would rank them as:

1. Berkman
2. Craig
3. Motte
4. Napoli

RTL
10-20-2011, 06:28 AM
I picked Berkman and he definitely got off to a good start in Game 1:)

Jeffy25
10-20-2011, 10:27 AM
Mike Napoli had the greatest WPA in that game, two run homer and fantastic defense behind the plate in a losing battle.

For the Cards it was Craig and Scrabble really close to each other, followed by Motte.

WPA scores
1. Napoli - .207
2. Craig - .173
3. Scrabble - .170
4. Motte - .156
5. Freese - .121
6. Dotel - .092
7. Carpenter - .086
8. Berkman - .060
9. Feldman - .051
10. Pujols - .041

Berkman is so low because he played right field and there were some loop base hits that landed in front of him.

Texas Holders
10-20-2011, 11:30 PM
Through 2 games and I don't have a clue who you would even say the front runner is at this point. Craig on the Cards side? Kinsler on the Rangers? I don't know...

Jeffy25
10-21-2011, 11:02 AM
Game 2 WPA in order

1. Garcia - .433
2. Lewis - .346
3. Kinsler - .257
4. Craig - .203
5. Feliz - .192
6. Young - .123
7. Andrus - .120
8. Scrabble - .064
9. Salas - .054
10. Molina - .054

Jeffy25
10-21-2011, 11:04 AM
I would say it's been Garcia and Craig for the Cards

and Kinsler and Lewis for the Rangers

Jeffy25
10-21-2011, 11:04 AM
I would say it's been Garcia and Craig for the Cards

and Kinsler and Lewis for the Rangers

RTL
10-21-2011, 11:08 AM
I'd throw Andrus in there just because of his defense both nights, plus the big hit and heads up baserunning last night.

Jeffy25
10-21-2011, 11:19 AM
Andrus was a -.102 in Game 1 (0 for 3 with 2 K's). But his defense in Game 2 was obviously spectacular.

3mikee_
10-21-2011, 11:21 AM
I'd like to see something from Josh Hamilton.. hopefully he wins it.

RTL
10-21-2011, 11:25 AM
Andrus was a -.102 in Game 1 (0 for 3 with 2 K's). But his defense in Game 2 was obviously spectacular.

Defense was good in Game 1 too

Jeffy25
10-21-2011, 11:47 AM
making three outs offensively is hard to justify as a positive game even with great defense. I don't think he saved 3 outs defensively by himself (don't really remember specifically).

Yankee Clipper
10-21-2011, 05:16 PM
I would say it's been Garcia and Craig for the Cards

and Kinsler and Lewis for the Rangers

Agreed. Garcia was phenomenal pitching last night.

Eg714
10-21-2011, 07:25 PM
Napoli

RTL
10-22-2011, 12:31 AM
making three outs offensively is hard to justify as a positive game even with great defense. I don't think he saved 3 outs defensively by himself (don't really remember specifically).

He made a good play up the middle on Molina and a nice backhanded play on Jay. It's not a debate.

Raps18-19 Champ
10-22-2011, 04:26 AM
Berkman for me.

Jeffy25
10-22-2011, 08:20 AM
He made a good play up the middle on Molina and a nice backhanded play on Jay. It's not a debate.

It's not a debate if his offensive output compares to the defensive plays he made?

I'd say it's every bit of a debate.

RTL
10-22-2011, 09:47 AM
It's your debate but not mine. I simply said he played good defense in both games.

Jeffy25
10-23-2011, 07:07 PM
Game 3 WPA

1. Pujols - .218
2. Beltre - .153
3. Freese - .134
4. Young - . 122
5. Cruz - .090
6. Theriot - .089
7. Torrealba - .074
8. Berkman - .069
9. Jay - .068
10. Molna/Lynn - .059


Kinsler - -.246 :yikes:

Jeffy25
10-23-2011, 07:10 PM
Craig is the current leader of the series WPA wise - .395

Even though he is only 3 for 8 with 1 HR and 3 RBI, his hits Games 1 and 2 were very critical

Jeffy25
10-24-2011, 11:16 AM
Game 4 WPA

1. Holland - .473
2. Napoli - .172
3. Jackson - .143
4. Berkman - .082
5. Hamilton - .043
6. Cruz - .034
7. Feliz - .020
8. Punto - .008
9. Westbrook - .005
10. Kinsler/Theriot - -.005


Holland is now the series leader in WPA

Pittz
10-24-2011, 11:20 AM
Still going with Beltre.

Jeffy25
10-24-2011, 11:33 AM
Other than Game 3, Beltre has been pretty rough so far.

I would think Napoli will win it if the Rangers win, and that Pujols will win it if the Cardinals win, based on who has performed thus far.

Craig has really come through so far, but Pujols and 3 home runs won't be ignored.

Jeffy25
10-24-2011, 11:34 AM
I wonder if Holland will get a chance to pitch game 7 or not

StayOnBoard
10-24-2011, 12:33 PM
If the Cards win you have to give it to Pujols (though I'd vote for Craig if it was me - how clutch do you have to be??)

If the Rangers win, it gets tougher... but I'll go with Napoli given the situation.

Yankee Clipper
10-24-2011, 12:53 PM
If the Cardinals win it will more than likely go to Pujols at this point, if it's the Rangers it could very well be Holland based on if he gets another start.

Pittz
10-24-2011, 01:38 PM
Beltre has a .412/.412/.529 line. I don't think WPA is going to factor into who wins lol.

RTL
10-24-2011, 03:26 PM
Nor should it. Beltre has been an absolute beast defensively!

Jeffy25
10-24-2011, 04:07 PM
Nor should it. Beltre has been an absolute beast defensively!

Why shouldn't it at least factor?

It includes both offensive and defensive values. If Beltre keeps getting hits that don't matter, how much is his world series value?

Sort of like how Pujols 3 home runs didn't really matter in the game that much.

RTL
10-24-2011, 04:09 PM
Why shouldn't it at least factor?


Just being realistic. You and I both know it won't be a factor.

You can say Beltre's hits don't matter but that's not necessarily true. Plus he's been an absolute vacuum at third base. Really impressive defense at the hot corner.

Jeffy25
10-24-2011, 04:14 PM
Oh for sure, but I think it's a good indicator of who will be the most deserving. At this point, it would probably be Holland followed by Craig

But who will get it will likely be Pujols or Napoli.

RTL
10-24-2011, 04:16 PM
Holland will have to pitch another game to be MVP. No pitcher has ever won WS MVP by only pitching one game.

Jeffy25
10-24-2011, 04:20 PM
I'm talking about if it were to end after 4 games....of course, that would include a tie as well.

With weather, Holland might get to pitch game 7

RTL
10-24-2011, 04:22 PM
Let's hope the Cards end it in 6;)

Pittz
10-24-2011, 04:52 PM
By losing the next two games!

RTL
10-24-2011, 04:53 PM
Hey now!!:p

Jeffy25
10-24-2011, 08:43 PM
WPA indicating who will be most deserving of the World Series MVP? Come on. I bet you are one of the same people who deride RBI's and despise the word "clutch".

It's an interesting stat to look at, but it doesn't necessarily mean a whole hell of a lot in this context.

I agree it isn't in the best indicator, but it's a great start for a snap-shot, just like WAR is.

Jeffy25
10-25-2011, 01:24 AM
Tony LaRussa

twentysix
10-25-2011, 05:52 AM
Napoli after another big game.

Jeffy25
10-25-2011, 12:10 PM
At this point, you have to assume it will be Napoli

BigDFan85
10-25-2011, 12:25 PM
Nap o li.

todu82
10-25-2011, 01:54 PM
If Texas wins Napoli, if St.Louis wins Albert Pujols

Jeffy25
10-25-2011, 02:57 PM
Being oh for outside of Game 3 isn't really that appealing.

redbird89
10-25-2011, 03:01 PM
Yeah our whole offense had that one good game and that's been it.

RTL
10-25-2011, 04:07 PM
Being oh for outside of Game 3 isn't really that appealing.

Plus a costly error.

"Ace"ves
10-25-2011, 05:30 PM
There's a lot more baseball to be played before deciding. If Holland is really a deserving choice, then you must let game 6 (and 7 if necessary) complete. Anything can happen in that time. If the World Series was won yesterday, id give the MVP to Napoli easily. If the World Series was won by the Cardinals... 2games to 3 (cause that makes sense), then id give it to Pujols.

I understand the argument for Craig, but let's be realistic, he had two big at-bats... both were the go-ahead RBIs... potentially making the difference in two games. However, Pujols carried the team in game 3 and though lacks hits in the other games, he has been intentionally walked a ton of times and still has scored runs in games he hasnt gotten hits. Craig's caught stealing was pretty bad... though Pujols may be to blame for that cause he claims he put it on....

Hard call, maybe co-MVP? Pujols did play defense more than Craig cause he's played every game... tough call. Still lean to Pujols, not his fault he wont get pitched to, shown by his abundance of walks.

Jeffy25
10-25-2011, 05:45 PM
If the World Series was won yesterday, id give the MVP to Napoli easily.

I think that's all we are talking about in this thread :)

Pittz
10-25-2011, 06:03 PM
Stupid Napoli, I was feeling good about my Beltre prediction after his home run. I hope Napoli goes 0-5 w/ 5 GIDP or K's and Beltre hits five home runs!

"Ace"ves
10-25-2011, 08:25 PM
I think that's all we are talking about in this thread :)

i was reading that... i have the same stance as the others

BlondeBomber41
10-25-2011, 09:22 PM
If Texas wins it will be Napoli, if St. Louis wins I would think it would be whoever steps up the most in the next two games. Pujols has had one good game out of 5, and really only one of his HR's meant anything. He'll need to do more to deserve it.

Boston-Born
10-26-2011, 12:25 PM
Napoli was really an amazing pickup for the Rangers. Getting him for FF was an absolute steal.

StayOnBoard
10-26-2011, 12:41 PM
Napoli was really an amazing pickup for the Rangers. Getting him for FF was an absolute steal.

Highway robbery.... easily the worst trade AA has made since he has been the GM of the Jays.

Hated it at the time, hate it even more now.

Boston-Born
10-26-2011, 01:28 PM
Highway robbery.... easily the worst trade AA has made since he has been the GM of the Jays.

Hated it at the time, hate it even more now.

To me, it is his versatility I love. He is a masher who, in the AL, gives you a C, 1B, or DH. He should be up there with the likes of Victor Martinez.

twentysix
10-28-2011, 03:35 AM
Any new thoughts?
Freese after his clutch moment?

Pinstripe pride
10-28-2011, 08:48 AM
if carpnter steps up like he did in his last elimination game, him

lvlheaded
10-28-2011, 09:24 AM
If the Rangers win, Napoli

If the Cards win, I feel like its cause Carpenter will go out and throw a gem, so I'll say Carp.

I'll admit, I did not expect this series to be so good. MLB has definitely gotten their money's worth on this one

RTL
10-28-2011, 09:26 AM
I picked Berkman before the series! Lets hope the Cards win:)

StayOnBoard
10-28-2011, 11:36 AM
If the Rangers win - Napoli
If the Cards win - Freese

Can't even see it going any other way after last night.

Jeffy25
10-28-2011, 12:54 PM
David Freese .953 WPA is a post-season record :)

Berkman had a .817, 6th greatest of post-season history.


And I might add, that's just one game, doesn't include any of the other games.

Freese's .953 WPA in one game, is better than all other players WPA combined in all other games.

Once, a guy on the losing team won the WS MVP

McJoe
10-28-2011, 06:51 PM
If the Rangers win, its Napoli. Not sure if you can really argue that. He's been and he's done pretty well everything he could possibly do to help his team win. I think they said last night that he drove in 11 of the Rangers 24 runs in the series or something stupid like that? Too lazy to look if up but even if I'm off by a couple its still a ridiculously significant amount for a single player.

If the Cardinals win tonight, I think its more up in the air. Not because no one deserves it, but because anyone could grab it. David Freese was the NLCS MVP and he's hitting .333 with 5 RBI in the world series including a game tieing 2-run triple and a walk-off home run. Berkman has delivered all series and is hitting .435 with 5 RBI. All 5 of them seemed to have been clutch. Carpenter won game 1, is pitching on 3 days rest in game 7 thanks to a rain out and his gem against the Phillies in the previous round was the clincher in an unreal start. He's also 3-0 in the playoffs. A big start and win tonight could lock it up for him.

Napoli for the Rangers.
Berkman for the Cardinals.

My prediction.