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el_primo_nano
10-12-2011, 07:34 PM
The title speaks for itself. Stay Classy Red Sox nation.

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7092528/terry-francona-victim-latest-red-sox-smear-campaign


BOSTON -- Terry Francona is paying a dear price for deviating, however briefly, from the script.

He was supposed to say the decision to end his eight-year run as Red Sox manager was all his, and leave it at that. Instead, he said that he wasn't sure ownership had his back, suggesting that the reason he walked out the door was because it was held wide open for him.

Well, that obviously didn't sit well with some people in the highest reaches of Sox management, for now we are told in Wednesday's editions of the Boston Globe that not only did the Red Sox collapse in September, but that Francona's troubled marriage and his use of pain medication may have been contributing factors.

This is how it's done, Tito, Boston-style. No one ever escapes clean, regardless of what you might have accomplished here. (See Garciaparra, Nomar, 2004.)

On Sept. 2, when the Red Sox held a nine-game lead in the wild card over the Tampa Bay Rays, no one was talking about Francona's alleged issues with his wife. That was considered his private business. What a concept.

But "team sources" somehow were able to link Red Sox starters' ERA of 7.08 in September -- almost a full run higher than the next worst starters' ERA in the league (6.09, Orioles) -- to the fact that Francona spent some nights in a Brookline hotel instead of in his home. This, even though the Sox went 81-42 over a four-month stretch during which Francona was ordering room service.

Never mind that if job performance was measured by healthy marriages, this country would be in huge trouble, given the high divorce rate. Or that if baseball teams were required only to use players free from marital discord, many would be hard-pressed to fill their lineup cards.

Funny, but when owner John W. Henry filed for divorce from his second wife, no one raised the issue of whether he was distracted from his money management business or his ballclub. And wouldn't you know, the year he filed, 2007, the Red Sox won their second World Series on his watch.

Could Francona's personal issues have contributed to his decision not to fight to stay in Boston? He said as much, without going into detail. Would we have heard about them in anywhere but the gossip pages if the Sox were in the playoffs now? Of course not.

Perhaps even more harmful to Francona, and his future job prospects, were "team sources" expressing concerns to the Globe about his use of pain medication, the implication that the manager may have been abusing that medication.

Such information could only have been known by a very few -- Francona's employers, and his doctors and trainers. That either party would share such sensitive material certainly smells like a breach of patient confidentiality; Francona's lawyer might one day argue as much.

The Globe contacted Francona about the team's alleged concerns. Francona, according to the story, reacted strongly, noting that he has used pain medication for years due to knee and back issues stemming from the double-digit knee surgeries he has had, including knee replacements.

"I went and saw the proper people and it was not an issue,'' Francona said of his use of pain medication. "It never became an issue, and anybody who knew what was going on knows that.''

Makes you wonder how much trust Sox players will have in their medical staff going forward, knowing that any issues they might have could be fair game for public consumption.

It evidently was not enough for Francona to acknowledge that he was unable to impact the clubhouse culture the way he once had, to take responsibility for a breakdown of accountability and an absence of leadership that transformed a dream season into a nightmare he was unable to prevent. All legitimate reasons for Sox ownership to be disinclined to exercise the two-year option they held on his contract.

And Francona, in his farewell press conference, acknowledged there were "personal" issues that also made him feel like coming back might not have been the best course for either side.

But the slime bucket is never far from reach on Yawkey Way, as Francona is learning first-hand. Reached by Joe McDonald of ESPNBoston.com Wednesday morning, Francona declined comment.

He is through with Boston, even if "team sources" may not be through skewering him. Francona in the end took it from all sides -- from the players who violated his trust, from the players who did not intervene like they do on winning teams and call the miscreants to account, to the highest levels of management whose sense of decency apparently went on hiatus at the end.

"I think people are starting to recognize there's a pattern here. All of a sudden it becomes personal, especially with guys who have had so much success in that uniform," Garciaparra said on "SportsCenter" Wednesday.

"If we want to go down the list ... now we're hearing about Terry Francona, before Terry ... it was Johnny Damon, before him you had Derek Lowe, you had Pedro Martinez, you had Manny Ramirez, you had myself, then you had Mo Vaughn, then you had Roger Clemens, then you had Jim Rice, Carl Yastrzemski, and oh, by the way, one Ted Williams.

"So the list is pretty good, pretty prestigious, but it seems to happen. So there's a pattern. Is it all these guys that are bad or is there something more here?"

Gordon Edes covered the Red Sox for ESPNBoston.com.

Tragedy
10-12-2011, 07:44 PM
****ing Red Sox with their smear campaigns. The ownership is like the fans - The second they leave, they rip them apart. It's a joke.

Tito is a class act and I wish him the best. I hope he goes and wins a few titles elsewhere.

el_primo_nano
10-12-2011, 08:00 PM
****ing Red Sox with their smear campaigns. The ownership is like the fans - The second they leave, they rip them apart. It's a joke.

Tito is a class act and I wish him the best. I hope he goes and wins a few titles elsewhere.

I don't get it, the greatest manager in your team's history and this is how you escort him out? :facepalm:

Kinkotheclown
10-12-2011, 08:13 PM
I don't get it, the greatest manager in your team's history and this is how you escort him out? :facepalm:

I'm a yankee fan and I liked him. That was crap how he was treated.
And now Epstein. I don't get it. The two guys who brought the first ringSSS there in 86 years and you let them walk. Maybe they have better waiting in the wings. For there sake I hope so, for our sake I hope not.

NYK|NYY
10-12-2011, 08:29 PM
This kind of stuff happens all the time, hate seeing it done to two guys who, in my eyes, were pretty responsible for making BOS relevant again. Tbh, best thing they could have done was leave an organization that apparently was unappreciative of their contributions.

Tragedy
10-12-2011, 08:38 PM
I don't get it, the greatest manager in your team's history and this is how you escort him out? :facepalm:
It's because we have a President that is egotistical. Lucchino is a ****ing moron.

runnermjr1296
10-12-2011, 08:41 PM
make no mistake about it,i hate that team with a flaming passion,but really like and respect Tito alot. I wish him nothing but the best and sure wouldn't mind seeing him wear the PINSTRIPES some day! (man wouldn't that be a kick!!!!!!)

el_primo_nano
10-12-2011, 08:49 PM
This kind of stuff happens all the time, hate seeing it done to two guys who, in my eyes, were pretty responsible for making BOS relevant again. Tbh, best thing they could have done was leave an organization that apparently was unappreciative of their contributions.

Not like this though. Having guys who once worked with you, who you shared most of your time with just throw you under the bus after your gone? This is just plain amateur and pointless. I don't get it, really.

mark1125
10-12-2011, 09:00 PM
Stay classy Red Sox. :facepalm:

I guess no responsibility is to be shouldered by the fat oafs eating chicken instead of supporting their team. LOL

Havoc Wreaker
10-12-2011, 09:16 PM
Next in line: Carl Crawford.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
10-12-2011, 09:24 PM
Stay classy Red Sox. :facepalm:

I guess no responsibility is to be shouldered by the fat oafs eating chicken instead of supporting their team. LOL
Or you could snort chicken like Bobby Jenks did.

Next in line: Carl Crawford.

If you read that Boston Globe article, he was one of the better players through all of this.

papipapsmanny
10-12-2011, 09:28 PM
Next in line: Carl Crawford.

they already took care of that by saying theo was the driving force behind that signing

papipapsmanny
10-12-2011, 09:35 PM
and I truly feel bad for crawford.. other than his money. He struggles, gets under pressure, and his teammates probably just shut him an Agon out

Going Forward

I build this team around Lester, Buchholz, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Gonzalez, Crawford, Bard, and maybe papelbon

Say bye to youkilis, beckett, lackey, ortiz, wakefield, Varitek

Jeffy25
10-12-2011, 10:01 PM
Red Sox fans, and the media.......need TO LET IT GO!


Jesus, they act as though Christians just found out that Jesus is never coming back for them or something.

Francona was a great manager, Epstein was an above average GM, and they did a great job running some great teams. Leave them alone, and look forward to next year, where the team is still likely to be the favorites again.

Personally, I'm sick of it. Why don't we hear this stuff about the Braves?

Oh, that's right, because they aren't in the Northeast and the Boston media doesn't scrutinize every little thing that happened.

SportsAndrew25
10-12-2011, 10:06 PM
The Red Sox are jerks. After all that this man has done for this franchise, the least you can do is be thankful for his tenure. They are acting like Cleveland after Lebron left.

bagwell368
10-12-2011, 10:10 PM
I don't get it, the greatest manager in your team's history and this is how you escort him out? :facepalm:

It's easy if you understand Boston and the Red Sox place here. If it's not Francona and Theo - it must be the owners, well they can't have that, so they'll smear the crap out of them to turn the fans against them and keep them there.

rkelly7
10-12-2011, 10:11 PM
The Red Sox are jerks. After all that this man has done for this franchise, the least you can do is be thankfully for his tenure. They are acting like Cleveland after Lebron left.


This. Red Sox fans, don't you dare rip on Tito. Rip on half your clubhouse, who are fat, lazy *ucks. Besides the work ethic of pedroia and youk, you don't have very much going on for you. And Cleveland fans, stfu about Lebron already. I can still hear you whining in DC :facepalm:

bagwell368
10-12-2011, 10:15 PM
Red Sox fans, and the media.......need TO LET IT GO!

Personally, I'm sick of it. Why don't we hear this stuff about the Braves?

Oh, that's right, because they aren't in the Northeast and the Boston media doesn't scrutinize every little thing that happened.

If our team was still in the playoffs like your team none of this would be being discussed.

Sorry that Boston fans (real ones, not pink hats) are intense. Earl Weaver said Boston fans were the smartest. Sorry that we have two big sports radio stations, two big local sports cable channels, and two big sports pages... and that around the country and around the world the NYY and BRS are most recognized and followed "brand" besides the local/regional team.

JobaRules26
10-12-2011, 10:30 PM
The Red Sox organization is a joke. I never thought I'd feel bad for Tito but damn. Completely classless move BY classless people.

JobaRules26
10-12-2011, 10:33 PM
I would take Tito in the Yankee organization anyday. The man knows baseball and seems like a class act. It's very unfortunate to throw this man under the bus.

Halladay
10-12-2011, 10:47 PM
Really pathetic how this is going down. These things need to stay where they belong, within the organization behind closed doors.

Jeffy25
10-12-2011, 10:55 PM
If our team was still in the playoffs like your team none of this would be being discussed.

Sorry that Boston fans (real ones, not pink hats) are intense. Earl Weaver said Boston fans were the smartest. Sorry that we have two big sports radio stations, two big local sports cable channels, and two big sports pages... and that around the country and around the world the NYY and BRS are most recognized and followed "brand" besides the local/regional team.

That doesn't excuse this kind of crap being talked about and dragging guys names through the mud that don't deserve it.

Boston-Born
10-12-2011, 11:17 PM
That doesn't excuse this kind of crap being talked about and dragging guys names through the mud that don't deserve it.

To play devil's advocate, you don't know if this was a clubhouse water boy or LL giving the info to the media. Regardless, it shouldn't come out, but to say for sure the FO or upper management is slipping this out is not completely fair.

Jeffy25
10-12-2011, 11:22 PM
I'm referring to anybody saying this kind of crap, I don't care who it is, it's not fair to the people involved.

Tragedy
10-12-2011, 11:34 PM
The Red Sox are jerks. After all that this man has done for this franchise, the least you can do is be thankful for his tenure. They are acting like Cleveland after Lebron left.
When you say "They are acting like Cleveland..Who is "they"? It's the organization that is running any type of smear campaign. Most of the fans I've seen around here and in person are level headed enough to still love Tito and Theo.

Kinkotheclown
10-12-2011, 11:38 PM
To play devil's advocate, you don't know if this was a clubhouse water boy or LL giving the info to the media. Regardless, it shouldn't come out, but to say for sure the FO or upper management is slipping this out is not completely fair.

Fair point but the crap he's taking for this season is horrible. You guys had what looked like the best pitching staff anywhere besides Phillie. It wasn't his fault that there were tons of injuries and that some didn't pitch to potential. Or that some hitters didn't hit to potential. A guy that did so much for a franchise to be treated so poorly is the thing that most of us find so deplorable. It isn't just the recent comments, it's the whole process by which it happened.
And now your GM was allowed to leave?
2 people so responsible for the strengths of that team just let go. I don't get it.
NY does some f'd up stuff and we can be as bad as Boston fans with our fury. But it is so sad to see this go down.

Tragedy
10-12-2011, 11:40 PM
Fair point but the crap he's taking for this season is horrible. You guys had what looked like the best pitching staff anywhere besides Phillie. It wasn't his fault that there were tons of injuries and that some didn't pitch to potential. Or that some hitters didn't hit to potential. A guy that did so much for a franchise to be treated so poorly is the thing that most of us find so deplorable. It isn't just the recent comments, it's the whole process by which it happened.
And now your GM was allowed to leave?
2 people so responsible for the strengths of that team just let go. I don't get it.
NY does some f'd up stuff and we can be as bad as Boston fans with our fury. But it is so sad to see this go down.
I don't think Theo was just "allowed to leave". I mean, the deal still isn't done because the Red Sox want compensation for even allowing the Cubs to talk to him. I feel like the Sox wanted to keep Theo, but they also knew that if Theo really wanted to talk to the Cubs, then it would be unfair to both organizations to keep him locked up here (why keep a guy that doesn't truly want to be here?).

I think the way the FO handled Tito was AWFUL. I've been on record as saying that from the beginning. I also said I thought he was being pushed out the door long before it came out. But there hasn't been much 'bad' about the way things were handled with Theo.

abe_froman
10-13-2011, 03:05 AM
boston is classless as hell,its par for course with every ex player,manager,gm(not fans,front office...though there are quite a few that go like dogs to the whistle)smear them so no one will ever look critical at the ones still there.a classic,yet unneeded tactic

nyyfan4life
10-13-2011, 03:11 AM
Francona always seemed like a good guy. There is some sort of pattern here with the smear campaigns but what can you do. Wish best of luck to Tito in the future and wish the worst of luck to the Red Sox. Its nothing personal, I'm just a Yankee fan.

JobaRules26
10-13-2011, 06:11 AM
I dont even think The Boss would have gone this low. Whoever is the mole needs to be casterated.

bagwell368
10-13-2011, 06:15 AM
That doesn't excuse this kind of crap being talked about and dragging guys names through the mud that don't deserve it.

And where did I say I approve of that in any thread? I don't, but your post didn't seem just limited to that topic - hence the response.

ne3xchamps
10-13-2011, 07:29 AM
Please don't say stay classy red sox nation. You end up sounding like a dope. Red sox nation is the fans, not the FO.

mark1125
10-13-2011, 07:55 AM
Please don't say stay classy red sox nation. You end up sounding like a dope. Red sox nation is the fans, not the FO.

Agreed. From what I have seen, most of the "regular" Red Sox fans are either embarrassed, pissed off, or at the minimum, not pleased with how things were handled by the Sox. The fans are not the issue.

The organization had a sense of entitlement and when they didn't get into the playoffs, it was a collective temper tantrum by the team.

I am not going to pretend to know what happened in the locker rooms, planes, training room, etc. I am sure that there are a lot of people that need to be held accountable. The guys sluffing off instead of training, playing video games instead of supporting their teammates, the guy blaming god and the schedule for not making the playoffs, the guy pissing and moaning about personal stats, the person handing out silly contracts.

The ironic thing is that probably the biggest person to let down the team (Crawford) is the only one who nutted up and took his share of the blame like a man. For that Carl Crawford.........:clap:

Anyways......I got off on a tangent, but don't disparage a fan base because their organization was an embarasment. If anything, I applaud the guys like Bagwell, Tragedy, and other loyal Sox fans for not taking the normal homer approach and blindly defend anything that their team does.

Pinstripe pride
10-13-2011, 08:42 AM
Please don't say stay classy red sox nation. You end up sounding like a dope. Red sox nation is the fans, not the FO.

Stay Classy Red Sox Front Office

Pinstripe pride
10-13-2011, 08:45 AM
as a baseball fna, this has to piss you off. terry francona has been a good manager and a class act im boston. This kind of treatment is just pathetic and embarassing. The red sox shot themselves in this case, not one person. People always need someone to blame, but this was truely a team collapse. just pathetic he could treat them the way he did as a amanger and get this kind of crap on his way out.


i honestly hope he manages somewhere else now and knockcs the sox out of the playoffs now

ricomactaco
10-13-2011, 08:57 AM
As a diehard Red Sox fan I can say I'm embarrased more by the media coverage of this. I dont really see anything wrong with what has been said publicly by the ownership. Tito and Epstein will always be loved by Red Sox fans forever for what they did but it was time to move on. The sox still have alot of talent and will be in it next year. The media loves to hype **** up and people who hate the sox love to bash. We'll be back next year. too much talent.

Shifty1 69
10-13-2011, 09:05 AM
If our team was still in the playoffs like your team none of this would be being discussed.

Sorry that Boston fans (real ones, not pink hats) are intense. Earl Weaver said Boston fans were the smartest. Sorry that we have two big sports radio stations, two big local sports cable channels, and two big sports pages... and that around the country and around the world the NYY and BRS are most recognized and followed "brand" besides the local/regional team.

All this and yet they still feel the need to throw Tito under the bus. Very personal accusations that are completely over the line. They were free to question his abilities, control over the team, how he looked in his uniform... but marital issues?? Really?? Way to take the high road Red Sox!!:facepalm::D

Yankee Clipper
10-13-2011, 09:13 AM
Pretty classless in the way they cut ties with Francona. I have always viewed Francona as a class act, not to mention being the most successful manager in Red Sox history. He deserved a lot better treatment than this.

TrueYankee
10-13-2011, 09:46 AM
and I truly feel bad for crawford.. other than his money. He struggles, gets under pressure, and his teammates probably just shut him an Agon out

Going Forward

I build this team around Lester, Buchholz, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Gonzalez, Crawford, Bard, and maybe papelbon

Say bye to youkilis, beckett, lackey, ortiz, wakefield, Varitek

I agree 100% Who cares if Beckett can still put up good numbers, hes aging and hes a scum bag. This team needs new faces


Red Sox fans, and the media.......need TO LET IT GO!


Jesus, they act as though Christians just found out that Jesus is never coming back for them or something.

Francona was a great manager, Epstein was an above average GM, and they did a great job running some great teams. Leave them alone, and look forward to next year, where the team is still likely to be the favorites again.

Personally, I'm sick of it. Why don't we hear this stuff about the Braves?

Oh, that's right, because they aren't in the Northeast and the Boston media doesn't scrutinize every little thing that happened.

Wait...Jesus is NEVER coming back?!?!? WHAT!


Pretty classless in the way they cut ties with Francona. I have always viewed Francona as a class act, not to mention being the most successful manager in Red Sox history. He deserved a lot better treatment than this.

+1

I wonder if free agents would think twice about coming to Boston now...

JonnyBrav000
10-13-2011, 10:24 AM
It is a shame how the organization is so petty. They have no class, I am sorry Sox fans, no rip on you guys, but you have to admit this it true. Why don't the players step up and say something, it is sort of pathetic. This organization does this to everyone, Pedro, Manny, Nomar, Vaughn, Roger, Rice, the manager who was on board before Francona, and now Francona who is the most successful manager in a Red Sox uni. Next up David Ortiz...

The Red Sox organization has to be the worst when it comes to how they treat players who are on the way out. No loyalty whatsoever, only disrespect. I think the team is shooting themselves on the foot, why would players want to sign there unless they offered more than anyone else, including the Yankees???

ritz
10-13-2011, 10:25 AM
I read the article in the Boston Globe yesterday. Unless you can make a connection between his personal "problems" (marriage, pain killers) and the Red Sox collapse why should it even be mentioned? That's horseshit.

Of course Jon Heyman has no qualms with Francona's personal business being put out. That's not surprising. He'd write an article about his own bowel movements if he knew he'd attract readers/attention.

bagwell368
10-13-2011, 10:36 AM
As a diehard Red Sox fan I can say I'm embarrased more by the media coverage of this. I dont really see anything wrong with what has been said publicly by the ownership.

The media coverage is being manipulated by Luchhino and the owners, Of course they won't say anything that leaves a clue about their role in throwing TF under the bus - and the soon to be tossed TE, and the players that will not be brought back or dealt. All will be smeared with feces by LL using the all too eager writers to shove in the stiletto.

Not only is it wrong - it is systematically poisonous to everyone that they feel they have to blacken to stay "white" in the eyes of the public.


Tito and Epstein will always be loved by Red Sox fans forever for what they did but it was time to move on.

Looks like the owners have your assent to the nights of the long knives.


The media loves to hype **** up and people who hate the sox love to bash.

And the fuel was supplied by LL. He is the guy that should have been gone, and TF because he lost the clubhouse - but TE should be here with the extra title and he should be empowered to drive the BRS ahead for years to come, not that back stabbing, narcissistic/gossip/bag man Luchhino.

CC was the tip of the ice berg in TE getting blamed, you wait - before ST is over a whole new raft of objections, complaints, and questions will be laid at TE's feet by these guys who will be forgotten long before TE's fame dies out.

And you think the owners words are correct and the media and TF and TE are the problems? :facepalm:

bagwell368
10-13-2011, 10:41 AM
I wonder if free agents would think twice about coming to Boston now...

Why? It's a business.

StayOnBoard
10-13-2011, 11:24 AM
Its embarrassing how the Boston media has acted towards Tito (who is a GREAT manager by the way). Im no fan of the Red Sox but I always respected Francona - he's certainly getting the raw deal.

I agree with a lot of the Red Sox fans... the problem is with LL - and will continue past this offseason as long as he's with their front office.

Wyld1
10-13-2011, 06:25 PM
Wow, I always respected Tito as a player, coach and head coach....he earned and deserved the right to leave with dignity!

Bos_Sports4Life
10-14-2011, 01:27 PM
It is a shame how the organization is so petty. They have no class, I am sorry Sox fans, no rip on you guys, but you have to admit this it true. Why don't the players step up and say something, it is sort of pathetic. This organization does this to everyone, Pedro, Manny, Nomar, Vaughn, Roger, Rice, the manager who was on board before Francona, and now Francona who is the most successful manager in a Red Sox uni. Next up David Ortiz...


I'll let guys like bagwell speak on Mo (I was like 9 when he was playing) Rice, and Clemens..

As far as Manny, Nomar, and Pedro..

Manny was a prick and was consistantly babied by TF. Not only this HE was the one who forced his way out..

Nomar was offered 4/60 mill (or along those lines) he rejected and became a clubhouse distraction..or in the very least wasn't as interested as winning as some would hope..

Nomar also doesn't seem too have an hard feelings and longer. He signed a 1 day contract too retire as a red sox player..


Pedro was another man who was offered a 3 yr deal. Boston didn't want too go a 4th year for a pitcher that was ALREADY declining..also a pitcher with a fragile frame..

The Red sox were right as Pedro pitched an average of 122 innings during his 4 seasons and only 90 innings during his last 3..

Pedro has no hard feelings towards the Redsox it seems as he still says good things about the Fans/organization and wants too go too the hof as a redsox.

adab
10-14-2011, 01:51 PM
Not realy surprised by this BoSox move. That's why, no matter how many WS rings they win, they'll alway be a garbage organization. Hey Rod Sox brass, check out the word KARMA.

NE Sportsfan
10-14-2011, 01:54 PM
Not realy surprised by this BoSox move. That's why, no matter how many WS rings they win, they'll alway be a garbage organization. Hey Rod Sox brass, check out the word KARMA.

Yankee fans being as classy as always.

"Ace"ves
10-14-2011, 02:29 PM
Yankee fans being as classy as always.

Way to generalize yankee fans, real fair

the_jon
10-14-2011, 02:56 PM
Yankee fans being as classy as always.
Wow...

jtchilln
10-14-2011, 03:11 PM
didn't Georgey Steinbrenner get kicked out of baseball for paying a bookie $40,000 to dig up dirt on Dave Winfield?

Now that is CLASSY!!!!

fadedmario
10-14-2011, 03:21 PM
No one is going to want to play in Boston anymore.

bagwell368
10-14-2011, 03:24 PM
didn't Georgey Steinbrenner get kicked out of baseball for paying a bookie $40,000 to dig up dirt on Dave Winfield?

Now that is CLASSY!!!!

I get a laugh out of the size of George's plaque compared to Ruth, Gehring, DiMaggio, Mantle.....

jtchilln
10-14-2011, 03:28 PM
No one is going to want to play in Boston anymore.

Their are MILLION$ of reason$ why FA'$ will go to Boston.

Pinstripe pride
10-14-2011, 03:34 PM
Their are MILLION$ of reason$ why FA'$ will go to Boston.

most cna get those millions elsewhere too though. boston and the yankees aren't the only teams that spend big money anymore

the_jon
10-14-2011, 03:40 PM
didn't Georgey Steinbrenner get kicked out of baseball for paying a bookie $40,000 to dig up dirt on Dave Winfield?

Now that is CLASSY!!!!
"They're being *******s, why can't we?"

^ The reason society is doomed.

jtchilln
10-14-2011, 03:41 PM
most cna get those millions elsewhere too though. boston and the yankees aren't the only teams that spend big money anymore

Boston/NY/Phillies/.........everyone else!!!

NE Sportsfan
10-14-2011, 03:53 PM
Way to generalize yankee fans, real fair

I go by what your fans have demonstrated in these threads.

jtchilln
10-14-2011, 04:07 PM
"They're being *******s, why can't we?"

^ The reason society is doomed.

No actually I think what they're doing is disgusting and not the way to do things. I just think it's stupid when Yankees fans call out Boston Organization when they had an owner kicked out of baseball.

"Ace"ves
10-14-2011, 04:18 PM
didn't Georgey Steinbrenner get kicked out of baseball for paying a bookie $40,000 to dig up dirt on Dave Winfield?

Now that is CLASSY!!!!

whatever helps you sleep at night


I get a laugh out of the size of George's plaque compared to Ruth, Gehring, DiMaggio, Mantle.....

good idea, keep ur mind off it


I go by what your fans have demonstrated in these threads.

my fans? if there are yankee fans acting likes idiots, they aren't MY fans.

And to stereotype an entire group of fans because what a few thread troll posts.... kinda lazy. Every fan base has their group of idiots.

Jetsguy
10-14-2011, 04:50 PM
And on top of all this crap that has transpired you just get the feeling there is more to come. The collapse is over but they still seem to be unraveling in fron of our eyes.

7chuck7
10-14-2011, 04:59 PM
The title speaks for itself. Stay Classy Red Sox nation.

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7092528/terry-francona-victim-latest-red-sox-smear-campaign

They should be ashamed of themselves. They might want to give up that boring, played out, 'Yankees Suck' chant and take a good long look in the mirror.
Tito is a class act and all he ever did was protect his players in the media even after they had performances that stunk up the place.

I give Pedroia some credit for being a stand up guy and we all know what a pain in the butt he is when he plays against your team.

bagwell368
10-14-2011, 08:50 PM
They should be ashamed of themselves. They might want to give up that boring, played out, 'Yankees Suck' chant and take a good long look in the mirror..

Why? Do you believe BRS fans support BRS ownership in this?

Believe me, the NYY do suck to BRS fans, and we'll do as we like, thanks for the helpful input however.

7chuck7
10-14-2011, 10:36 PM
Why? Do you believe BRS fans support BRS ownership in this?

Believe me, the NYY do suck to BRS fans, and we'll do as we like, thanks for the helpful input however.

Ok tough guy. You got your little two cents in.

The problem with the red sox is that by chance and by the law of averages they finally won a few championships. The mistake the red sox fans made was honestly thinking they were somehow now in the same class as the Yankees.
You know you are not and we know it too.

Boston is a wannabe New York city. Fenway is a dump with three inches of old paint on the columns, seats that face the wrong way and bathrooms that smell worse than elephant piss at the circus. Boston fans resent New York being a superior city. We understand why you hate us and that is because you want to be us and you can't.

So every time they chant 'Yankees suck' we know where the frustration comes from. What they don't realize is how stupid they sound but nothing and I mean NOTHING in all of sports is as lame as 34,000 people singing, 'Sweet Caroline'

Keep the 'Yankee Suck' stuff if it makes you feel better but get a different song. I feel embarrassed for Boston when they do that and I don't even live there.

Enjoy the off-season. It's gonna be a long one!

Robbw241
10-14-2011, 10:48 PM
I know this is the office and not the fans, but this totally reminds me of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-A0aw70X6E

:laugh:

Ecko72jc
10-14-2011, 10:53 PM
Ok tough guy. You got your little two cents in.

The problem with the red sox is that by chance and by the law of averages they finally won a few championships. The mistake the red sox fans made was honestly thinking they were somehow now in the same class as the Yankees.
You know you are not and we know it too.

Boston is a wannabe New York city. Fenway is a dump with three inches of old paint on the columns, seats that face the wrong way and bathrooms that smell worse than elephant piss at the circus. Boston fans resent New York being a superior city. We understand why you hate us and that is because you want to be us and you can't.

So every time they chant 'Yankees suck' we know where the frustration comes from. What they don't realize is how stupid they sound but nothing and I mean NOTHING in all of sports is as lame as 34,000 people singing, 'Sweet Caroline'

Keep the 'Yankee Suck' stuff if it makes you feel better but get a different song. I feel embarrassed for Boston when they do that and I don't even live there.

Enjoy the off-season. It's gonna be a long one!

Are you serious? New York has a similar collapse and one less championship in this decade. The Yankees are irrelevant. Boston has won Seven championships in this decade, in all Four major sports. When one team fails the other steps up. Who is New York rooting for now? LMAO at you.

NE Sportsfan
10-14-2011, 11:17 PM
Ok tough guy. You got your little two cents in.

The problem with the red sox is that by chance and by the law of averages they finally won a few championships. The mistake the red sox fans made was honestly thinking they were somehow now in the same class as the Yankees.
You know you are not and we know it too.

Boston is a wannabe New York city. Fenway is a dump with three inches of old paint on the columns, seats that face the wrong way and bathrooms that smell worse than elephant piss at the circus. Boston fans resent New York being a superior city. We understand why you hate us and that is because you want to be us and you can't.

So every time they chant 'Yankees suck' we know where the frustration comes from. What they don't realize is how stupid they sound but nothing and I mean NOTHING in all of sports is as lame as 34,000 people singing, 'Sweet Caroline'

Keep the 'Yankee Suck' stuff if it makes you feel better but get a different song. I feel embarrassed for Boston when they do that and I don't even live there.

Enjoy the off-season. It's gonna be a long one!

Did some Yankee fan really go off on me "generalizing" New York's fan base? One after another you guys keep making my point...thanks and stay classy!

Robbw241
10-14-2011, 11:23 PM
Did some Yankee fan really go off on me "generalizing" New York's fan base? One after another you guys keep making my point...thanks and stay classy!

I think it has more to do with you quoting a blue jays fan and using that as a reason to "generalize" as you say Yankee fans. IDK if it's just me, but that just seems completely illogical.

NE Sportsfan
10-14-2011, 11:30 PM
I think it has more to do with you quoting a blue jays fan and using that as a reason to "generalize" as you say Yankee fans. IDK if it's just me, but that just seems completely illogical.

Oh god that's even worse, a blue jay fan giving the red sox crap. :facepalm:

ManRam
10-14-2011, 11:32 PM
Stay classy Boston!


What a dumb phrase. Let's talking about making a mountain out of a molehill...using the indiscretions of a few reflect "Boston".

Sucks to see this divorce get messy. I love and will always love both Tito and Theo...and it stinks that the splits between all parties couldn't have been smooth. It was a stressful end to the season, and obviously emotions were very high. Bummer.

ManRam
10-14-2011, 11:33 PM
Oh, and I'm real surprised to see this turn into a pissing match between fanbases...

Stunning. Never thought I'd see that on PSD!

Robbw241
10-14-2011, 11:35 PM
U guys started it doe!

7chuck7
10-15-2011, 12:45 AM
Are you serious? New York has a similar collapse and one less championship in this decade. The Yankees are irrelevant. Boston has won Seven championships in this decade, in all Four major sports. When one team fails the other steps up. Who is New York rooting for now? LMAO at you.

Getting a bit upset are we??

C'mon now, we are supposed to hold hands and sing, 'Sweet Caroline'

N.Y. has had no such organizational meltdown like the red sux who have not even made the playoffs in two years. Like rats leaving a sinking ship.

This will help you through the long winter....

http://youtu.be/27XeNefwABw

thefeckcampaign
10-15-2011, 08:09 AM
I don't get it, the greatest manager in your team's history and this is how you escort him out? :facepalm:And Torre was treated much better?

AI
10-15-2011, 09:05 AM
Not to mention how they treated Jeter during free agency and the whole "building multi-million $ mansions" in the newspapers. Stay classy New York. :rolleyes:

Now I could do this all day, only reason this keeps going is because the fans keep talking about it. Just let it go, if you all hate the Sox so much why keep flooding the forum with thread after thread? OK we collapsed and the media has nothing else to talk about, this is starting to get more annoying than all the Lebron leaving Cleveland talk.

AI
10-15-2011, 09:07 AM
Ok tough guy. You got your little two cents in.

The problem with the red sox is that by chance and by the law of averages they finally won a few championships. The mistake the red sox fans made was honestly thinking they were somehow now in the same class as the Yankees.
You know you are not and we know it too.

Boston is a wannabe New York city. Fenway is a dump with three inches of old paint on the columns, seats that face the wrong way and bathrooms that smell worse than elephant piss at the circus. Boston fans resent New York being a superior city. We understand why you hate us and that is because you want to be us and you can't.

So every time they chant 'Yankees suck' we know where the frustration comes from. What they don't realize is how stupid they sound but nothing and I mean NOTHING in all of sports is as lame as 34,000 people singing, 'Sweet Caroline'

Keep the 'Yankee Suck' stuff if it makes you feel better but get a different song. I feel embarrassed for Boston when they do that and I don't even live there.

Enjoy the off-season. It's gonna be a long one!

Can't wait to see how Bags responds to this.

StryderSox
10-15-2011, 09:32 AM
Ok tough guy. You got your little two cents in.

The problem with the red sox is that by chance and by the law of averages they finally won a few championships. The mistake the red sox fans made was honestly thinking they were somehow now in the same class as the Yankees.
You know you are not and we know it too.

Boston is a wannabe New York city. Fenway is a dump with three inches of old paint on the columns, seats that face the wrong way and bathrooms that smell worse than elephant piss at the circus. Boston fans resent New York being a superior city. We understand why you hate us and that is because you want to be us and you can't.

So every time they chant 'Yankees suck' we know where the frustration comes from. What they don't realize is how stupid they sound but nothing and I mean NOTHING in all of sports is as lame as 34,000 people singing, 'Sweet Caroline'

Keep the 'Yankee Suck' stuff if it makes you feel better but get a different song. I feel embarrassed for Boston when they do that and I don't even live there.

Enjoy the off-season. It's gonna be a long one!

You do know your season was only like a week and a half longer right???? The only difference is that we know there are problems in Boston and that big changes need to be made. We will make those changes and come back stronger next year. You are stupid enough to actually believe that the Yankees should have won the WS and just got unlucky running into a hot team.

PS... If the Yankees are so superior than why is it that trolls like you have some sort of need to keep the Red Sox as the top baseball story and cant just let it die off? If New York city is so superior to Boston then why is it that Boston has won a championship in every major sport the past decade and you have what 1 WS?

TrueYankee
10-15-2011, 09:57 AM
You do know your season was only like a week and a half longer right???? The only difference is that we know there are problems in Boston and that big changes need to be made. We will make those changes and come back stronger next year. You are stupid enough to actually believe that the Yankees should have won the WS and just got unlucky running into a hot team.

PS... If the Yankees are so superior than why is it that trolls like you have some sort of need to keep the Red Sox as the top baseball story and cant just let it die off? If New York city is so superior to Boston then why is it that Boston has won a championship in every major sport the past decade and you have what 1 WS?

FYI, Boston is a top story in most major sports news stations these days, not just NY. There is also the thing called "rivalry" which is something the NY media LOVES to take part in. Heck, even the Boston Globe is ripping the Red Sox a new one. Probably because they were all snotty homers who had the Red Sox winning the WS, instead they are writing articles of people snorting fried chicken up their nose, a secret liquor store in Lackey's locker, and front office who just made themselves look like the biggest clowns in baseball.

Thats why

megathin
10-15-2011, 10:01 AM
Blow it out of your *** boston! He's gone! get over it! I would take meds too in that stupid clubhouse. Look who was dealing with lol

Robbw241
10-15-2011, 10:35 AM
Not to mention how they treated Jeter during free agency and the whole "building multi-million $ mansions" in the newspapers. Stay classy New York. :rolleyes:

Now I could do this all day, only reason this keeps going is because the fans keep talking about it. Just let it go, if you all hate the Sox so much why keep flooding the forum with thread after thread? OK we collapsed and the media has nothing else to talk about, this is starting to get more annoying than all the Lebron leaving Cleveland talk.

It's because idiot Red Sox fans like you bring the Yankees into this when the thread is nothing about them at all. How is this not ****ing obvious? There was no fighting in this thread until a Blue Jays fan said something and a Red Sox fan responded "Yankee fans being as classy as always." and a bunch of other Sox fans joining in. It's amazing how people don't actually think before they speak.

mike_noodles
10-15-2011, 11:22 AM
Wow, how quickly the Sox have become a laughing stock.

Pittz
10-15-2011, 11:59 AM
I am so jealous of Toronto, how'd you know :(

AI
10-15-2011, 12:02 PM
It's because idiot Red Sox fans like you bring the Yankees into this when the thread is nothing about them at all. How is this not ****ing obvious? There was no fighting in this thread until a Blue Jays fan said something and a Red Sox fan responded "Yankee fans being as classy as always." and a bunch of other Sox fans joining in. It's amazing how people don't actually think before they speak.

If you took the time to read my post and read to who I was responding to you'd realize that I wasn't actually bringing the Yankees in this. I was actually being "sarcastic" first then made my point about letting the "Sox topics" die instead of making a thread over every little thing.

AI
10-15-2011, 12:42 PM
Excuse me, looking for directions to Boston? Nobody seems to know where it is yet everybody seems to be talking about it even after they were eliminated a long time ago.

NE Sportsfan
10-15-2011, 12:59 PM
bluejay repeat hasnt been banned yet, give me a break mods. He's worse than most of the Yankee trolls in here.

el_primo_nano
10-15-2011, 02:11 PM
This page is filled with dumb posts that has nothing to do with Francona and the smear campaign against him. This thread was made to show how the Boston front office let this man hang dry after all he did. Nobody cares if Boston is a crap city or which city is better. Stop arguing over B.S, it has nothing to do with the thread

McJoe
10-15-2011, 02:24 PM
Looking back on some of those players and their stories like Nomar mentioned really makes you think. Its one thing to chastise a player when they leave and spit on the organization and fans on their way out like when Vince Carter left Toronto or like when LeBron left Cleveland with the ****ing TV show thing but when they are pretty well kicked out the door because they lost some games its a little different.

It certainly looked like Francona lost the team and him leaving probably makes sense and he probably should have been fired and them go with a change of scenery anyway but this is a lot much. There's the rumor of Ortiz being gone and I've heard rumors of Youkilis being gone because of a feud with Ellsbury and it certainly looks like at least 1 if not all 3 of Beckett, Lackey, or Lester will be thrown out the door as well.

Clemens is the only example I can really think of right now because he came to Toronto but when he left, it wasn't because he wanted out or because he pitched poorly or even because he wanted too much money. He even struck out 20 in his 3rd last start in Boston. They just didn't want him anymore. And still he got bashed on his way out. Then he put together 2 of the best consecutive seasons by any pitcher in Toronto winning the Cy Young in both years. Then to make matters worse, Clemens demanded a trade from the ****ing Blue Jays haha.

But not to continue the bashing, of course stuff like this comes out right when a team loses the way they did. Its certainly not as bad in Boston as the press has led us all to believe. There will probably be a small reload in Boston and a quick overhaul and they'll be back next year or the year after. Boston is going to be a good team still. The pieces are there.

StayOnBoard
10-15-2011, 06:43 PM
bluejay repeat hasnt been banned yet, give me a break mods. He's worse than most of the Yankee trolls in here.

Someone else besides me has to find this hilarious :laugh2:

StryderSox
10-16-2011, 09:34 PM
How is it that there are a bunch of posts in this thread deleted for baiting and the one below isnt one of them? Even Bags response got deleted!!!


Ok tough guy. You got your little two cents in.

The problem with the red sox is that by chance and by the law of averages they finally won a few championships. The mistake the red sox fans made was honestly thinking they were somehow now in the same class as the Yankees.
You know you are not and we know it too.

Boston is a wannabe New York city. Fenway is a dump with three inches of old paint on the columns, seats that face the wrong way and bathrooms that smell worse than elephant piss at the circus. Boston fans resent New York being a superior city. We understand why you hate us and that is because you want to be us and you can't.

So every time they chant 'Yankees suck' we know where the frustration comes from. What they don't realize is how stupid they sound but nothing and I mean NOTHING in all of sports is as lame as 34,000 people singing, 'Sweet Caroline'

Keep the 'Yankee Suck' stuff if it makes you feel better but get a different song. I feel embarrassed for Boston when they do that and I don't even live there.

Enjoy the off-season. It's gonna be a long one!

"Ace"ves
10-16-2011, 09:44 PM
bluejay repeat hasnt been banned yet, give me a break mods. He's worse than most of the Yankee trolls in here.

I resent that ;)

Jeffy25
10-16-2011, 10:36 PM
bluejay repeat hasnt been banned yet, give me a break mods. He's worse than most of the Yankee trolls in here.

He has been banned. We took a day or two to decide how long before doing it.

adab
10-17-2011, 01:31 PM
Yankee fans being as classy as always.

For the record, I absolutely hate the Yankees and Red Sox. I'm a baseball fan first. I've been a Blue Jays for ever and a day and Cards just about for ever.

FYI, while I hate the Yankees and Red Sox, I've nevere thought the Yankees were classless or garbage. I envy their $, but always am always glad when their total expenditures still see them fall short of the goal. But when was the last time they spoke so poorly about a player, coach or GM who helped them win a WS. Heck, Don Mattingly won jack squat and still revered as a Yankees god.

All their coach did was win TWO WS after an 80+ years drout and while the Red Sox did blow an almost insurmountable lead, the entire rotation was devasted. Perhaps that had something to do with them watching the playoffs in stead of participating in the playoffs.

But in stead of showing a modicum of class, the Red Sox brass decides to show their true colors by leaking personal, non-relevant information to the media to besmirch the good work and name Terry Francona. Here's hoping the next WS drout is longer than the Cubs current run!

B'sCeltsPatsSox
10-17-2011, 03:59 PM
He has been banned. We took a day or two to decide how long before doing it.

He's not in the VOB. I think that's why no one didn't notice.