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dnewguy
10-10-2011, 09:54 PM
David Stern announces in New York that the first two weeks of the NBA's regular season have been canceled...via ESPN

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7085089/nba-labor-david-stern-cancels-first-two-weeks-nba-season


Stern: We tried very hard. We made concession after concession...I'm proud of my owners...demonstrated that they really tried.

GodsSon
10-10-2011, 09:55 PM
****ing ********

BranWingss
10-10-2011, 09:56 PM
Not a surprise. I don't think we'll see basketball until at least January. At this point, I wouldn't expect the NBA at all this season.

Cal827
10-10-2011, 09:56 PM
Those morons. You would think the NHL's strike would force these idiots to make an agreement but nope. Stern has got to be the dumbest commissioner in history.

They are going to lose a ton of fans. I can see a few teams folding if this goes into January.... actually nevermind, cause I'm 100% sure these owners are lying to everyone.

$KnicksAndKobe$
10-10-2011, 09:57 PM
I hope they all rot in hell and lose all their money

likemystylez
10-10-2011, 09:57 PM
Not a surprise. I don't think we'll see basketball until at least January. At this point, I wouldn't expect the NBA at all this season.


what happens in january that peopl think will magically change all this?

DR_1
10-10-2011, 09:58 PM
NBA shot itself in the foot.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
10-10-2011, 09:59 PM
I'm not surprised at all and it's getting to the point that I don't even care about this.

gbpackers12
10-10-2011, 09:59 PM
God damnit. :mad:

LAKERMANIA
10-10-2011, 10:00 PM
what happens in january that peopl think will magically change all this?

An agreement

likemystylez
10-10-2011, 10:01 PM
An agreement

right... but why would january be the month picked out of a hat? why not august of 2025? or June of 2013 or whatever... is there something changing in january??

PlezPlayDKnicks
10-10-2011, 10:01 PM
It only gets worse from here. AND the bullcrap line about his owners just pissed me off. Who are u fooling

mjt20mik
10-10-2011, 10:02 PM
At least we got football and hockey.

NYMetros
10-10-2011, 10:10 PM
This sucks.

BranWingss
10-10-2011, 10:10 PM
what happens in january that peopl think will magically change all this?

Because if the season does start, I don't see it being until then. I'd expect another month and a half of discussion, and starting it in mid December is stupid. Give them some time for free agency, re-signings and such, and then run with the NBA season in January, and do 50 games.

The NBA season could be crap if that were to happen though. I'd expect numerous top tier players locked into contracts overseas. But still, it's basketball.

In 2004 I faced a lockout in the NHL, and it really worked out for the best. Contracts are now better for both sides, and the new rules have really brought some new attention to the league. It became faster, and more skilled. What did I relize? How bad I really love the game. It was hard going over a year without hockey. A year and a half really. I watched everything. I watched the hockey games where NHL players would play overseas teams for nine games or so.

You'll respect the game a whole lot more when this lockout is over.

pistonsfanomg
10-10-2011, 10:10 PM
I told ya guys.....

Slug3
10-10-2011, 10:11 PM
I hope they decide to meet again soon instead of saying we have no date to meet.

natedogg74
10-10-2011, 10:11 PM
what a bunch of spoiled *** millionares thats sad they cant split the money 50/50 very damn disappointing,god i wish i made half the money they made

Baller1
10-10-2011, 10:11 PM
So glad I just became a hockey fan. First you take my Sonics, now you take the league.

I'm over the NBA.

croce_99
10-10-2011, 10:12 PM
I hope the fans don't give in and sell-out every game once the season resumes.

Screw that.

BranWingss
10-10-2011, 10:13 PM
This sucks.

Speaking of hockey, I think if the NBA is locked out, the NHL attention will draw a lot more in the US. At one point, this will be the only big four sport going on. The NFL is two days a week, leaving five others with only hockey. During the NHL lockout, I started watching a lot more basketball. It really brought my attention to the NBA. I've never been a absoloute hardcore follower, but I watch the NBA whenever I can. I'd think markets like the New York Islanders, Los Angeles Kings, and the Colorado Avalanche to improve.

RevisIsland
10-10-2011, 10:17 PM
And so it begins.

mzgrizz
10-10-2011, 10:17 PM
This was just a slap; the knockout punch to the season will be next.
Can't remember the timeline but it's published on NBA.com

daleja424
10-10-2011, 10:17 PM
what a bunch of spoiled *** millionares thats sad they cant split the money 50/50 very damn disappointing,god i wish i made half the money they made

I encourage you to educate yourself...even if just a little.

Snowman23
10-10-2011, 10:18 PM
****

PC
10-10-2011, 10:18 PM
I'm not surprised. I don't think the players and owners are as close as everyone thinks. Sure they're closer than before and a deal may be done within the coming weeks but I don't think anything was imminent

natedogg74
10-10-2011, 10:20 PM
I encourage you to educate yourself...even if just a little.


r u talking to me about educating myself

daleja424
10-10-2011, 10:22 PM
r u talking to me about educating myself

Yes. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about at this point...

GiantsSwaGG
10-10-2011, 10:27 PM
Im not surprise...The owners are playing games...

Just watch football guys!

LongIslandIcedZ
10-10-2011, 10:32 PM
I told ya guys.....

Yea, you and about a million other people.....

LakersMaster24
10-10-2011, 10:33 PM
Am I the only one that thinks its more the players fault? They are the ones that refuse to take ANY cuts...

daleja424
10-10-2011, 10:34 PM
Am I the only one that thinks its more the players fault? They are the ones that refuse to take ANY cuts...

Educate yourself... seriously...

LakersMaster24
10-10-2011, 10:34 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/ChrisMannixSI/status/123426149966675968 Although they did offer this...

LakersMaster24
10-10-2011, 10:35 PM
Educate yourself... seriously...

:confused:

daleja424
10-10-2011, 10:35 PM
I will say this once...and only once...

only one side in this entire process has made any concessions at all... and that is the players.

natedogg74
10-10-2011, 10:36 PM
Educate yourself... seriously...


i am saying the players u idiot im refering to the players

daleja424
10-10-2011, 10:36 PM
:confused:

Players offered 52% at one point... and may have been willing to go down to 50%... That is a 12% pay cut from last year...

do some research.

Soxsnation4life
10-10-2011, 10:37 PM
**** it. i got the NFL, NCAAF and then NCAAB. I'm really gonna miss some NBA though! ****!

daleja424
10-10-2011, 10:38 PM
i am saying the players u idiot im refering to the players

No ****... I know how to read... and still I encourage you to do some research...

Seeing as the owners offer is 47%... and it is the system issues that have become the biggest thing keeping the sides apart now.

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

LakersMaster24
10-10-2011, 10:38 PM
Players offered 52% at one point... and may have been willing to go down to 50%... That is a 12% pay cut from last year...

do some research.

If you look at the link I posted above, you would see that I do research.

Mishmin
10-10-2011, 10:39 PM
damn.

daleja424
10-10-2011, 10:39 PM
If you look at the link I posted above, you would see that I do research.

Ya...AFTER you make a statement saying the players aren't willing to take a paycut...

I would encourage you to do research BEFORE posting

LakersMaster24
10-10-2011, 10:41 PM
Ya...AFTER you make a statement saying the players aren't willing to take a paycut...

I would encourage you to do research BEFORE posting

Well SORRY for not spending my time, making sure what I post on a silly forum just so your little sensitive self doesn't get insulted.

natedogg74
10-10-2011, 10:41 PM
its ridiculous that the owners and players cant come to an agreement did they not see how long it took baseball to recover after they went on strike they hav learned their lesson i think well see this offseason

daleja424
10-10-2011, 10:42 PM
Well SORRY for not spending my time, making sure what I post on a silly forum just so your little sensitive self doesn't get insulted.

Its not about posting on here...its about life...

People should always know what they are talking about before offering opinions... otherwise...what is the point?

daleja424
10-10-2011, 10:43 PM
its ridiculous that the owners and players cant come to an agreement did they not see how long it took baseball to recover after they went on strike they hav learned their lesson i think well see this offseason

This I can definitively agree with! Damage is being done. Not having a deal is foolish.

Ill21
10-10-2011, 10:44 PM
Its not about posting on here...its about life...

People should always know what they are talking about before offering opinions... otherwise...what is the point?

Relax man. Not everyone has time to read up on all of this ****.

daleja424
10-10-2011, 10:45 PM
FWIW... sorry to those of you that I have been short with.

Im just really annoyed right now and it bothers me that people always assume its on the players...

LakersMaster24
10-10-2011, 10:45 PM
Its not about posting on here...its about life...

People should always know what they are talking about before offering opinions... otherwise...what is the point?

That is what makes life and a sports forum different.

DMasta718
10-10-2011, 10:46 PM
Am I the only one that thinks its more the players fault? They are the ones that refuse to take ANY cuts...

They did. From 57% to 52% to 50%.

Either way, both owners and players shouldve been literally locked in a room until they made a deal.

LakersMaster24
10-10-2011, 10:47 PM
The sad part is that, nobody suffers more than the fans. That is all that matters.

All I wanna say is that they don't really care about us.

daleja424
10-10-2011, 10:48 PM
That is what makes life and a sports forum different.

Ya, sorry dude. Its just frustrating that every five minutes someone else comes on here and talks smack... I just dont get it. Whenever I take the time to come on here and talk sports I always read around the site first to see what is up.

KnicksR4Real
10-10-2011, 10:48 PM
We all should learn a lesson from this. Greed never wins.

LakersMaster24
10-10-2011, 10:51 PM
Ya, sorry dude. Its just frustrating that every five minutes someone else comes on here and talks smack... I just dont get it. Whenever I take the time to come on here and talk sports I always read around the site first to see what is up.

Its cool man, I get ya. Gotta agree it was my bad for just posting for no reason without thinking what I am posting.

daleja424
10-10-2011, 10:51 PM
Nah. Greed was the solution. If they were looking at pure dollars... there is no reason they wont have a deal. This is about pride. This is about ego.

daleja424
10-10-2011, 10:52 PM
Its cool man, I get ya. Gotta agree it was my bad for just posting for no reason without thinking what I am posting.

No worries bro. Hope there are no hard feelings. Just a really frustrating day man.

LakersMaster24
10-10-2011, 10:53 PM
No worries bro. Hope there are no hard feelings. Just a really frustrating day man.

Its all cool. :up:

thenetslegend
10-10-2011, 10:53 PM
yea this **** isnt ending soon

oak2455
10-10-2011, 10:54 PM
We all should learn a lesson from this. Greed never wins.

true true plus seriously wish I could be either a owner or a player....they both dont get it:eyebrow:

cubulls
10-10-2011, 10:56 PM
Don't bite the hand that feeds you. I hope that when these idiot players are ready to be realistic, the owners screw them and offer them even less. Their comfy, lavish lifestyle won't be so pleasant when they can't pay the bills.

Crackadalic
10-10-2011, 10:58 PM
:facepalm: Havent done this in a while. might do it again :facepalm:

SportsAndrew25
10-10-2011, 11:00 PM
:facepalm: This will get uglier by the moment.

NYKnicksAllDay
10-10-2011, 11:01 PM
Don't bite the hand that feeds you. I hope that when these idiot players are ready to be realistic, the owners screw them and offer them even less. Their comfy, lavish lifestyle won't be so pleasant when they can't pay the bills.

:laugh2::facepalm:

THE GIPPER
10-10-2011, 11:02 PM
players need to give in they have absolutely no leverage.

SportsAndrew25
10-10-2011, 11:04 PM
NBA shot itself in the foot.Only the NBA can kill themselves after one of the best seasons in it's history. :facepalm:

SportsAndrew25
10-10-2011, 11:08 PM
So glad I just became a hockey fan. First you take my Sonics, now you take the league.

I'm over the NBA.Basketball is still a great sport. Just because a few jerks are arguing over money does not take away from it's greatness.


As for me, thank God for football.

ryguy2k7
10-10-2011, 11:11 PM
DAMNIT! I really wanted to see Derrick Williams and Rubio.

Ill21
10-10-2011, 11:13 PM
Let's go Rangers! Time to follow hockey a little closer. And let's go St. Johns

Ebbs
10-10-2011, 11:13 PM
I hate stern what would it take to get his *** removed?

Hangtime
10-10-2011, 11:14 PM
Disappointing to say the least but not surprised. Really was hoping we wouldn't get a repeat of the 98-99 season since they went through this before. I wonder how long it will take to recover this time.

MVP1
10-10-2011, 11:15 PM
Stern needs to step down.

naps
10-10-2011, 11:18 PM
****EN morons! I blame the players now. Why can't you get a 50-50? It sounds fair. Putting the season in danger for just 2/3%? WOW! Greedy bastards!

Cosmic_Canon
10-10-2011, 11:19 PM
what a bunch of spoiled *** millionares thats sad they cant split the money 50/50 very damn disappointing,god i wish i made half the money they made

1. Know the facts, before pulling your "Joe Schmoe" logic, that these "ungrateful thugs should be lucky to even get paid, and should take any deal".

Also, it makes a lot of sense for the owners to MISS a season. As Broussard(on SportsCenter) just said, the owners want to cripple the union, by testing their solidarity despite the lack of game checks. The owners killing the union, is much for beneficial for them, than taking a 49.5% share.

naps
10-10-2011, 11:20 PM
Alright, good thing I love soccer and my Barcelona has been rocking. So **** all the greedy bastards of the NBA for now!

douglas
10-10-2011, 11:23 PM
Screw everything! I hate this lockout! I hate all of you!!!

Bulls_fan90
10-10-2011, 11:25 PM
Saw this coming from a mile away. Still pisses me off though, what a joke. **** the NBA. NFL baby!!!!

GiantsSwaGG
10-10-2011, 11:25 PM
Screw everything! I hate this lockout! I hate all of you!!!

And we all love you!

KKell2507
10-10-2011, 11:28 PM
Biggest Winner of tonight: College Basketball

The more missed NBA games gives more time for coverage of college basketball. and in my senior year at VCU after their final 4 run, I couldnt be happier about it!

I love my Sixers and the NBA, but maybe a lost season will teach both the players and owners that neither run the NBA, the fans do. With each and every game lost another fan walks out the door, and when theres only a few fans left to welcome them back, maybe theyll realize that giving the fans what they want is most important, a competitive and fair product that fans of ALL 30 TEAMS can enjoy.

airronijordan
10-10-2011, 11:30 PM
bring back the ABA!

NYKNYGNYY
10-10-2011, 11:30 PM
fml, so upsetting

NYKNYGNYY
10-10-2011, 11:30 PM
bring back the ABA!

no no no, lets see some slamball! lol

NYKnicksAllDay
10-10-2011, 11:33 PM
no no no, lets see some slamball! lol

I'm feelin' some AND1 Mixtape. I miss Hot Sauce, the Professor, and Escalade.

GiantsSwaGG
10-10-2011, 11:35 PM
Bring back And1 streetball. Whatever happen to And1?

OC Knights #11
10-10-2011, 11:36 PM
:) darn..

beasted86
10-10-2011, 11:37 PM
Don't bite the hand that feeds you. I hope that when these idiot players are ready to be realistic, the owners screw them and offer them even less. Their comfy, lavish lifestyle won't be so pleasant when they can't pay the bills.

You might be onto a point.

I hope the owners tell the players to go screw themselves. They should say "we'll let you starve for a year so you can come to your senses, see you next summer, let's see you afford your fancy 24 inch wheels and diamond necklaces without our hard earned money paying you!". Then just skate off in their G650 jets and leave the players there pouting.

AlexTmz2
10-10-2011, 11:38 PM
This really really sucks!!! :mad:

Slug3
10-10-2011, 11:39 PM
Bring back And1 streetball. Whatever happen to And1?

I think they still do tours, but didnt one of the main guys pass away? Was it Escalade or someone?

NJ Raven
10-10-2011, 11:40 PM
If a lost season means a better structure (aka NHL), I'm all for it.

NYKnicksAllDay
10-10-2011, 11:43 PM
I think they still do tours, but didnt one of the main guys pass away? Was it Escalade or someone?

Yeah, it was Escalade. I'd forgotten about that until you mentioned it.

GiantsSwaGG
10-10-2011, 11:43 PM
I think they still do tours, but didnt one of the main guys pass away? Was it Escalade or someone?

Yeah Escalade died...I forgot.

mttwlsn16
10-10-2011, 11:45 PM
Fk this

SwatTeam
10-10-2011, 11:49 PM
******* the NBA and the owners. You want to test the resolve of the players? This league isn't football and basketball, where there are no foreign leagues. All the players should join leagues overseas for the year. That way only the owners will lose money and the players will still make some money - although, not as much. If the owners still want to play hardball, then screw the NBA altogether and just stay overseas and make sports packages for european/asian leagues. OR make a new basketball league in this country headed by those billionaires who got rejected from buying NBA teams because they aren't apart of the old boys club. At least those guys are passionate about the game.

As for hockey, pfft. Don't make me laugh. No one south of the mason dixon line is going to watch that sport.

BigCityofDreams
10-10-2011, 11:53 PM
******* the NBA and the owners. You want to test the resolve of the players? This league isn't football and basketball, where there are no foreign leagues. All the players should join leagues overseas for the year. That way only the owners will lose money and the players will still make some money - although, not as much. If the owners still want to play hardball, then screw the NBA altogether and just stay overseas and make sports packages for european/asian leagues. OR make a new basketball league in this country headed by those billionaires who got rejected from buying NBA teams because they aren't apart of the old boys club. At least those guys are passionate about the game.

As for hockey, pfft. Don't make me laugh. No one south of the mason dixon line is going to watch that sport.

That's the thing it's still a niche sport. Ppl talk about how better it is since the lockout and how there is more parity but tell the truth outside of the Stanley Cup is there any interest in the sport.

ink
10-11-2011, 12:24 AM
Biggest Winner of tonight: College Basketball

The more missed NBA games gives more time for coverage of college basketball. and in my sneior year at VCU after their final 4 run, I couldnt be happier about it!

I love my Sixers and the NBA, but maybe a lost season will teach both the players and owners that neither run the NBA, the fans do. With each and every game lost another fan walks out the door, and when theres only a few fans left to welcome them back, maybe theyll realize that giving the ones what they want is most important, a competitive and fair product that fans of ALL 30 TEAMS can enjoy.

I'm with you 100%. Excited about the NCAA season. Couldn't care less about the NBA right now. Besides it spares us from having to watch another hate-filled season of ripping the league's best stars on a daily basis. Too much hate, not enough sport, and now, not enough collaboration to run a serious professional league.

I hope your second point actually comes to pass too. It would be great for the sport.

airronijordan
10-11-2011, 12:24 AM
this might be harsh but I hope all the owners go bankrupt!!!

I felt like the players made enough sacrifices and were taking the negotiations seriously while the owners wouldn't back off their crazy stance

ManningToTyree
10-11-2011, 12:43 AM
**** **** **** **** **** **** ****

LA_Raiders
10-11-2011, 01:06 AM
****ing greed players...

Oh well... Football is more fun anyway...

Wade>You
10-11-2011, 01:11 AM
**** the owners and **** anyone who supports those greedy POSs.

Wade>You
10-11-2011, 01:15 AM
SteveNash Steve Nash

RT @brownleejustin: 22 teams lost money. (you believe that? There's a reason they won't open their books) #standunited

lmao and idiot fans actually believe every word the owners say.

SteveNash Steve Nash

The players are negotiating to take less money & let's be clear that's not going to lower ticket prices, it just lines the owners pocketsPretty obv, but it doesn't get said enough: PLAYERS ALREADY CONCEDED TO TAKING PAYCUTS

GiantsNinersW's
10-11-2011, 01:19 AM
Well, this is really disappointing

gwrighter
10-11-2011, 01:20 AM
I'm with you 100%. Excited about the NCAA season. Couldn't care less about the NBA right now. Besides it spares us from having to watch another hate-filled season of ripping the league's best stars on a daily basis. Too much hate, not enough sport, and now, not enough collaboration to run a serious professional league.

I hope your second point actually comes to pass too. It would be great for the sport.

That's the truth. This lockout should hopefully make a better overall league in the future. I think there is too much money to throw away for them to toss the whole season but I guess we'l wait and see how much time the players are willing to give up. The ball is in their court. whatever they're fighting for isn't worth losing the whole season & 2 billion in potential earnings. As whatever kind of ground they think they will make up will not amount up to that figure.

All in all two weeks isn't a big deal. Things will start to get serious if Stern up's the incremental amount of season time he is willing to lose.

GiantsNinersW's
10-11-2011, 01:22 AM
Does anybody want to quickly and concisely explain to me the problem with the NBA?

lakers4sho
10-11-2011, 01:30 AM
I blame KG.

Game_Over
10-11-2011, 01:32 AM
This is great it is time the NBA and owners take back the NBA from the players that think they are bigger than the League!!

itsripcity32
10-11-2011, 02:13 AM
I blame thug wannabe kg too

HouRealCoach
10-11-2011, 02:27 AM
Kentucky, North Carolina, Ohio State, and UConn better make up for this ******** lockout

iggypop123
10-11-2011, 02:32 AM
looks like the owners never gave up on the salary cap. they just called it something else. the luxury tax would have instead of 2 for every dollar they wanted 4! look at the champs, the mavs. they were at around 88 from my memory. lets say the salary cap is 58 30x 4 = 120 million out of cubans pocket.

i really could care less about college basketball until march. the regular season is a waste of time. the basketball itself is mediocre. so micromanaged, zone heavy i cant erase that butler uconn game off my mind. if the guy that created basketball was shown that game he would have just said, "send me back to my grave"

hard_candy
10-11-2011, 02:46 AM
College bball is literally unwatchable at this point. It's to the point that it's sunk to a wnba level of suckiness.


looks like the owners never gave up on the salary cap. they just called it something else. the luxury tax would have instead of 2 for every dollar they wanted 4! look at the champs, the mavs. they were at around 88 from my memory. lets say the salary cap is 58 30x 4 = 120 million out of cubans pocket.

i really could care less about college basketball until march. the regular season is a waste of time. the basketball itself is mediocre. so micromanaged, zone heavy i cant erase that butler uconn game off my mind. if the guy that created basketball was shown that game he would have just said, "send me back to my grave"

SeoulBeatz
10-11-2011, 02:57 AM
david stern is a slimy ****.

Voodoo Alchemy
10-11-2011, 03:13 AM
Those morons. You would think the NHL's strike would force these idiots to make an agreement but nope. Stern has got to be the dumbest commissioner in history.

They are going to lose a ton of fans. I can see a few teams folding if this goes into January.... actually nevermind, cause I'm 100% sure these owners are lying to everyone.

owners lie but the players are greedy.

players (salaries+bri+endorsements). ask them to hook u up next time u cant make ur mortgage payments. lets see how many of them comes thru

Voodoo Alchemy
10-11-2011, 03:14 AM
derek fisher and billy hunters gotta be the dumbest reps. who died and made fisher king?

NYKnicksAllDay
10-11-2011, 03:17 AM
Salaries+BRI?? I might be wrong but I thought salaries came from the BRI? So, lower BRI=paycut if I'm understanding correctly. So why the hell should they accept a 10% lesser share then what they get now? Giving back 5% is pretty generous.

JNA17
10-11-2011, 04:41 AM
no no no, lets see some slamball! lol

Dude...Slamball is the best. I'd rather watch that **** then the NBA.

BRING IT BACK!

JNA17
10-11-2011, 04:47 AM
Owners are *******s and players are greedy, what else is new?

In the end, players will still get payed millions upon millions to throw a ball in a basket, owners will still sell tickets for outrageous prices and the fans will still be the only ones screwed in this mess.

PHX2daDEATH
10-11-2011, 06:24 AM
let these overpaid idiots know what it feels like to be unemployed like 40% of the population is. I don't care if they ever come back honestly, the owners and Stern have been through this once already..Its their fault for allowing Agents to treat em' like corner sluts on every contract they propose... Let them really lose money by not having games and nobody buying an 150 dollar jersey for a few years and see how they come running back to us with their NBA Cares commercials and how my Suns will parade a 38 year old Steve Nash and 40 year old Grant Hill, then say with a smile we can be competitive with a bunch a players who couldn't start on a 1990's Clipper team...If my my team was any good then maybe i'd have a heart about this..say if I was in Miami or LA...but what has happened is through expansion and the ridiculous luxury tax rule is that the competition has been spread so thin.. 5 or 6 teams can say they are a true title contender..the rest are just as useful as the damned Washington Generals.. only in place to make a dollar for their already wealthy owner..I'm not going to let this destroy my love for Basketball.. its not the game of basketball's fault that its entrapped in a league of greedy old men who will lie to your face to make a buck, most of these owners are the same type of people that politicians are..they never worked hard for sh*#$ ..its not the game of basketballs fault that its players have been spoiled rotten, perhaps more then any sport in America; Fans cannot relate to neither of these groups of people..and when they do come back i hope us as fans show them we don't want to be in the same building as them neither...

Tom Stone
10-11-2011, 07:08 AM
The offer from the owners will get smaller and smaller as time goes on....money will be lost......The players will start to panic once they realize that Fisher is willing to lose the season.....The thing that really bugs me is....billy hunter talks about how they cannot have a hard cap or anything that looks like a hard cap.....Translation........We don't care about basketball being on a even playing ground....If a soft cap remains, teams will have bidding wars over players, that's all they care about.....Teams will be able to buy there way to the finals....thus turning it into a Yankee situation.....The players don't care if Basketball gets ruined in that regaurd.....not if it means more money for them.......The Hard cap is going to be hardest thing to get done.....The system is broke to benefit the players and the players don't want it fixed.....they don't care about what's fair...just MONEY:(



If I see Derrick Fisher on the street he better be ready to throw down !.....When Zen ends *** kickin begins:)

Badluck33
10-11-2011, 07:09 AM
I'm sure the NCAA is going to reap this good.

UPRock
10-11-2011, 08:32 AM
*****...I'm so angry.

NYman15
10-11-2011, 08:38 AM
not too surprised. it sucks. they have a huge gap between them. we'll see what happens

mttwlsn16
10-11-2011, 08:41 AM
this blows

fishfan79
10-11-2011, 08:45 AM
need to contract some of these teams with owners that are "so broke" and losing "so much"

Evolution23
10-11-2011, 08:47 AM
**** the owners

SteBO
10-11-2011, 08:49 AM
I've gone on the record to say that the players should concede a little, but they have. Therefore, why exactly are the players being labeled greedy, when they've already given to the owners to an extent. :shrug: If anything the owners are the greedy party. When owners decide to negotiate in good faith, well have a season. Until then, I'll continue to blame the ownership groups for putting themselves and the league in this position. What a joke.

lvlheaded
10-11-2011, 08:56 AM
This sucks. I was really hoping they would work it all out by now

daleja424
10-11-2011, 08:57 AM
I've gone on the record to say that the players should concede a little, but they have. Therefore, why exactly are the players being labeled greedy, when they've already given to the owners to an extent. :shrug: If anything the owners are the greedy party. When owners decide to negotiate in good faith, well have a season. Until then, I'll continue to blame the ownership groups for putting themselves and the league in this position. What a joke.

It is like walking into a Porsche dealership and offering them 5k for a new convertable, then going back later and offering 10k. They laugh at your offer, and you come out and tell people that you made concessions, but they wouldn't meet you halfway.

If the owners starting position is hard cap 46% BRI... then the players default position should be free market no caps. Then you try to meet in the middle (and what you will come up with looks A LOT like what we had last year). The problem is that the players came in with a reasonable offer and the owners came in with a "5k for a Porsche" offer and then meeting in the middle was out of the question.

gotoHcarolina52
10-11-2011, 09:12 AM
need to contract some of these teams with owners that are "so broke" and losing "so much"

:clap:

VillaMaravilla
10-11-2011, 09:19 AM
you would think that after this season which was one of the most exciting in years they would try to avoid all this mess and build off the positives instead of just losing tons of fans and really hurting the league with public opinion

VillaMaravilla
10-11-2011, 09:20 AM
well the 1 good thing about this whole mess as a Knick fan is that if there is no season we can just let go of D'antoni and his morons without have to pay.......just trying to find a bright spot in this whole mess lol

VillaMaravilla
10-11-2011, 09:22 AM
I've gone on the record to say that the players should concede a little, but they have. Therefore, why exactly are the players being labeled greedy, when they've already given to the owners to an extent. :shrug: If anything the owners are the greedy party. When owners decide to negotiate in good faith, well have a season. Until then, I'll continue to blame the ownership groups for putting themselves and the league in this position. What a joke.

well not really, the NBA player is the best payed in all sports, i think the 50/50 split the owners offered was in the ballpark but the players blaked

daleja424
10-11-2011, 09:40 AM
well not really, the NBA player is the best payed in all sports, i think the 50/50 split the owners offered was in the ballpark but the players blaked

well seeing as both sides now deny that it even happened... not sure how you can say that.

Holydiver
10-11-2011, 09:42 AM
whatever keeps Lebron from a ship is ok with me. cancel the next 5 seasons.

**** the NBA

daleja424
10-11-2011, 09:43 AM
whatever keeps Lebron from a ship is ok with me. cancel the next 5 seasons.

**** the NBA

get over it

ttam68
10-11-2011, 09:44 AM
It is like walking into a Porsche dealership and offering them 5k for a new convertable, then going back later and offering 10k. They laugh at your offer, and you come out and tell people that you made concessions, but they wouldn't meet you halfway.

If the owners starting position is hard cap 46% BRI... then the players default position should be free market no caps. Then you try to meet in the middle (and what you will come up with looks A LOT like what we had last year). The problem is that the players came in with a reasonable offer and the owners came in with a "5k for a Porsche" offer and then meeting in the middle was out of the question.

You blatantly hijacked that analogy

Holydiver
10-11-2011, 09:44 AM
I really feel that way. I hated the NBA before the decision I hate it more now.

**** the NBA

ttam68
10-11-2011, 09:50 AM
I've gone on the record to say that the players should concede a little, but they have. Therefore, why exactly are the players being labeled greedy, when they've already given to the owners to an extent. :shrug: If anything the owners are the greedy party. When owners decide to negotiate in good faith, well have a season. Until then, I'll continue to blame the ownership groups for putting themselves and the league in this position. What a joke.

Unfortunately, the owners have all the leverage. It's a battle over money and billionaires know what they're doing. Even if they lose the PR war, and its worth noting most people are too ignorant to pay attention enough for that to happen anyway, that will fade and they'll reap all the financial benefits.

Players truly cannot hold out as long as owners can. If they're serious about sticking to their position, this could last a while. Larry Coon pointed out a couple days ago how pointless that would be. The total revenues over the life of the deal they're arguing over will be taken from the players in a matter of months as lost wages.

daleja424
10-11-2011, 09:54 AM
You blatantly hijacked that analogy

No I didnt... I sourced it in an earlier post... But I have been saying the same thing for over a month.

LOOTERX9
10-11-2011, 12:21 PM
I really feel that way. I hated the NBA before the decision I hate it more now.

**** the NBA

"Whhho in the blue hell, are you?" THE ROCK

thenetslegend
10-11-2011, 12:24 PM
"whhho in the blue hell, are you?" the rock

it doesnt matter what your name is!!

mttwlsn16
10-11-2011, 12:29 PM
I really feel that way. I hated the NBA before the decision I hate it more now.

**** the NBA

then why post about it:shrug:

Shmontaine
10-11-2011, 12:31 PM
You might be onto a point.

I hope the owners tell the players to go screw themselves. They should say "we'll let you starve for a year so you can come to your senses, see you next summer, let's see you afford your fancy 24 inch wheels and diamond necklaces without our hard earned money paying you!". Then just skate off in their G650 jets and leave the players there pouting.

did someone hack your account???

Shmontaine
10-11-2011, 12:33 PM
I really feel that way. I hated the NBA before the decision I hate it more now.

**** the NBA

what do you have to look forward to, then??? surely not the bears... maybe you just need some time to cool off from yesterday's game...

the bears season is over.. no division, and no chance for wild card...

bledrules
10-11-2011, 12:57 PM
:clap:

This is great and will only get better if the season gets cancelled

fadedmario
10-11-2011, 01:02 PM
Cancel the whole season. NBA players can suck it.

beasted86
10-11-2011, 01:15 PM
did someone hack your account???

It was sarcasm. These are billionaire owners, and his post was talking about millionaire players living a cushy lifestyle. The G650 is a $65M dollar private jet if you didn't know. :facepalm:

D-Block21-Chito
10-11-2011, 01:22 PM
I know did you really think the players would win this battle against BILLIONARES!!!! Come on ghetto kids.... Especially when these rich guys do better with no season the way its contructed.

I tell you this oweners are not backing down becuase they have nothing to lose right now....

I think sir charles is right I don't see a season this year which is really to bad.... The best part is these players won't even be able to afford their 1 million dollar a month mortgage anymore. You players can go suck it! I could care less about extra shared revenue if i have a 10 million a year salary already

GiantsSwaGG
10-11-2011, 01:43 PM
I rather watch WWE raw than the NBA.

David Stern can suck it.

Punk
10-11-2011, 01:48 PM
I rather watch WWE raw than the NBA.

David Stern can suck it.

Coke is one hell of a drug.

Shmontaine
10-11-2011, 02:09 PM
It was sarcasm. These are billionaire owners, and his post was talking about millionaire players living a cushy lifestyle. The G650 is a $65M dollar private jet if you didn't know. :facepalm:

so was mine :facepalm:

brodawgs
10-11-2011, 02:13 PM
I'm usually iffy about taking from the rich and giving to the poor, but here is not a good example. Owners own a team because they were successful in other endeavors, usually business. The revenue sharing was more than already fair for the players. Just because players want more money doesn't mean they should have it, they make most of their money through endorsements anyways. Force the players to get a college degree, the world is not a better place with a bunch of uneducated, retired basketball players. The world is a better place with educated, retired basketball players. It would also purify the sport, I'm a big believer in playing for the love of the game. All of the best players motivation wasn't money, their motivation is to win at a game they love. There are just too many players now a days that are just looking for that paycheck to go blow it all on material things that will most likely bankrupt them. To the owners, I say hold tough but do make some concessions, it makes the world a better place.

NYKnicksAllDay
10-11-2011, 02:21 PM
lol WWE? People actually watch that? I don't understand what its appeal is.

29$JerZ
10-11-2011, 02:31 PM
Called it :sigh:

beasted86
10-11-2011, 02:35 PM
I'm usually iffy about taking from the rich and giving to the poor, but here is not a good example. Owners own a team because they were successful in other endeavors, usually business. The revenue sharing was more than already fair for the players. Just because players want more money doesn't mean they should have it, they make most of their money through endorsements anyways. Force the players to get a college degree, the world is not a better place with a bunch of uneducated, retired basketball players. The world is a better place with educated, retired basketball players. It would also purify the sport, I'm a big believer in playing for the love of the game. All of the best players motivation wasn't money, their motivation is to win at a game they love. There are just too many players now a days that are just looking for that paycheck to go blow it all on material things that will most likely bankrupt them. To the owners, I say hold tough but do make some concessions, it makes the world a better place.

You don't become a billionaire without stabbing a number of people in the back and screwing over people for a buck. As a matter of fact, I can't think of any manager I've ever met working who I knew was in the 6 digit plus salary (ex: district manager, ceo, etc.) who wasn't a total dick who cared less about the low level employees.

If we are basing this merely off principal values, those are the last guys I want to see with all the money. I'd rather the players get the money, if not for the sake of all the charity work and such they do, only for the thought of giving kids something to aspire to. Even if their end goal is the league, their sports get them into college which is good in the end.

ChaseHamels
10-11-2011, 02:38 PM
lol WWE? People actually watch that? I don't understand what its appeal is.

I've always assumed its for men without girlfriends or wives.


On topic: This isn't surprising... the whole league will need to be restructured before this gets better.

GiantsSwaGG
10-11-2011, 02:51 PM
lol WWE? People actually watch that? I don't understand what its appeal is.

NBA? I don't understand what its appeal is when the head of basketball David Stern A *****.

Delrayhc
10-11-2011, 02:58 PM
You don't become a billionaire without stabbing a number of people in the back and screwing over people for a buck. As a matter of fact, I can't think of any manager I've ever met working who I knew was in the 6 digit plus salary (ex: district manager, ceo, etc.) who wasn't a total dick who cared less about the low level employees.

If we are basing this merely off principal values, those are the last guys I want to see with all the money. I'd rather the players get the money, if not for the sake of all the charity work and such they do, only for the thought of giving kids something to aspire to. Even if their end goal is the league, their sports get them into college which is good in the end.

Agree 100%

I compare this lockout to the U.S economy. The banks and there filthy rich CEOs made all of these bad decisions then get bailed out by the people that make much less than them. NBA owners make bad financial decisions and then they ask for the NBA players to bail them out.

Whoever sides with the owners is showing complete ignorance.

NYKnicksAllDay
10-11-2011, 02:59 PM
NBA? I don't understand what its appeal is when the head of basketball David Stern A *****.

I'm almost 100% sure I've seen you in Knicks' game threads, so I don't really know what your trying to say. Sorry I hurt your feelings with a legitimate question.

da ThRONe
10-11-2011, 03:14 PM
I know did you really think the players would win this battle against BILLIONARES!!!! Come on ghetto kids.... Especially when these rich guys do better with no season the way its contructed.

I tell you this oweners are not backing down becuase they have nothing to lose right now....

I think sir charles is right I don't see a season this year which is really to bad.... The best part is these players won't even be able to afford their 1 million dollar a month mortgage anymore. You players can go suck it! I could care less about extra shared revenue if i have a 10 million a year salary already

The bold part isn't true. The owners will lose more money not having a season.

GiantsSwaGG
10-11-2011, 03:15 PM
I'm almost 100% sure I've seen you in Knicks' game threads, so I don't really know what your trying to say. Sorry I hurt your feelings with a legitimate question.

Yes Im a Knicks fan for life but is there basketball now? No.

Sorry if voicing my frustrating hurts your feelings. David Stern a ***** and he's Killin the NBA.

SteBO
10-11-2011, 03:31 PM
Unfortunately, the owners have all the leverage. It's a battle over money and billionaires know what they're doing. Even if they lose the PR war, and its worth noting most people are too ignorant to pay attention enough for that to happen anyway, that will fade and they'll reap all the financial benefits.

Players truly cannot hold out as long as owners can. If they're serious about sticking to their position, this could last a while. Larry Coon pointed out a couple days ago how pointless that would be. The total revenues over the life of the deal they're arguing over will be taken from the players in a matter of months as lost wages.
It's sad, but what you said is true and I'm very aware of that. But in regards to who can hold out the longest, I disagree with the notion the owners can hold out that much longer than the players can. This whole mess started when teams were losing money, so losing games doesn't help them either.

And in regards to the 50/50 thing, I think that was simply a negotiating tactic used to make the owners look like the side that was negotiating in good faith. After these past two days, I've awoke from my neutral line of thinking and have come to the realization that Stern/the owners are just bullies. They know that they've won already, and now they're just rubbing it in the players' faces. Steve Nash said it best. It's not that hard to see through Stern's BS, though I've admittedly fallen into that trap in the past.

jasondrobinson
10-11-2011, 03:39 PM
this is terrible news. they will lose casual nba fans not to mention some real fans. they definitely can't hope for an NFL type resurrection (and the nfl didnt even miss games).

Muttman73
10-11-2011, 03:41 PM
Of the four major sports, basketball is the one I can most afford to lose. Have fun guys, greedy bastards on both sides.

da ThRONe
10-11-2011, 03:42 PM
It's sad, but what you said is true and I'm very aware of that. But in regards to who can hold out the longest, I disagree with the notion the owners can hold out that much longer than the players can. This whole mess started when teams were losing money, so losing games doesn't help them either.

And in regards to the 50/50 thing, I think that was simply a negotiating tactic used to make the owners look like the side that was negotiating in good faith. After these past two days, I've awoke from my neutral line of thinking and have come to the realization that Stern/the owners are just bullies. They know that they've won already, and now they're just rubbing it in the players' faces. Steve Nash said it best. It's not that hard to see through Stern's BS, though I've admittedly fallen into that trap in the past.

This.

I fail to see how anybody can be on the leagues side at this point. The players are expected to give while getting nothing in return and are still viewed as greedy by many on the outside looking in. They are already willing to concede enough revenue to compensate for the owners loses. Yet the owners want more.

What the owners have given up on are most of the things that will actually make the league fair. Which shows all they care about is money. They are getting it and still want more.

SA5195
10-11-2011, 04:36 PM
****

CoachDrive
10-11-2011, 04:41 PM
Hey guys new to PSD forums first post ever,

Sad to hear all this and i believe if lockout goes till christmas this whole season will be officially cancelled

ttam68
10-11-2011, 05:05 PM
This.

I fail to see how anybody can be on the leagues side at this point. The players are expected to give while getting nothing in return and are still viewed as greedy by many on the outside looking in. They are already willing to concede enough revenue to compensate for the owners loses. Yet the owners want more.

What the owners have given up on are most of the things that will actually make the league fair. Which shows all they care about is money. They are getting it and still want more.

Yup. I was actually excited to see how certain rule changes could affect teams. But everything regarding the system was scrapped. All they want is more money.

There's been ample evidence owners either A) aren't losing money to begin with or B) have plenty of opportunities to run their teams better. But in the end, they want free money and free reign to play with their toy teams. It's incredibly disheartening.

NYKnicksAllDay
10-11-2011, 08:29 PM
Yes Im a Knicks fan for life but is there basketball now? No.

Sorry if voicing my frustrating hurts your feelings. David Stern a ***** and he's Killin the NBA.

Lol no hurt feelings. I just didn't think many people watched WWE honestly. I really don't see the appeal, but to each his own.

JNA17
10-11-2011, 08:37 PM
lol WWE? People actually watch that? I don't understand what its appeal is.

http://images.askmen.com/celebs/women/model/kelly-kelly/large_image-1.jpg

Divas, divas, and...well divas.

NBA_Starter
10-11-2011, 08:48 PM
I'm mad at everyone involved but Fisher behind the head of the players is a joke.

NYKnicksAllDay
10-11-2011, 08:54 PM
http://images.askmen.com/celebs/women/model/kelly-kelly/large_image-1.jpg

Divas, divas, and...well divas.

Ahh I see. I suppose that might have something to do with it.

ttam68
10-11-2011, 08:54 PM
http://images.askmen.com/celebs/women/model/kelly-kelly/large_image-1.jpg

Divas, divas, and...well divas.

WWE has all the excitement of real wrestling, but with less clothes and more eyeliner.

GiantsSwaGG
10-11-2011, 10:20 PM
http://images.askmen.com/celebs/women/model/kelly-kelly/large_image-1.jpg

Divas, divas, and...well divas.

I love her!