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JordansBulls
10-10-2011, 12:25 PM
By Jonny Blaze:


1996-97
Lost to Houston Rockets 0-3
Game 1 Rockets 112 Twolves 95
Kevin Garnett: (10-21) 21 points 9 rebounds 4 assist

Game 2 Rockets 96 Twolves 84
Garnett: (7-14) 14 points 12 rebounds 1 assist

Game 3 Rockets 125 Twolves 120
Garnett (7-16) 17 points 6 rebounds 4 assist

Series Average 17 points 9 rebounds 3 asssits 47% shooting

1997-98 Lost to Seattle Supersonics 2-3
Game 1 L 83-108
Garnett (8-18) 18 points 18 rebounds 2 assists

Game 2 W 98-93
Garnett (7-14) 15 points 8 rebounds 4 assists

Game 3 W 98-90
Garnett (9-18) 19 points 8 rebounds 6 assists

Game 4 L 88-92
Garnett (9-14) 20 points 10 rebounds 5 assists

Game 5 L 84-97
Garnett(3-11) 7 points 4 rebounds, 3 assists (This is a horrendous performance in a close out game)

Series Average 15 points 9 rebounds 4 assists 48% shooting


1998-99
Lost to San Antonio Spurs 3-1
Game 1 L 86-99
Garnett (9-18) 21 points 8 rebounds 1 assist

Game 2 W 80-71
Garnett (11-22) 23 points 12 rebounds 6 assist

Game 3 L 71-85
Garnett (9-19) 23 points 12 rebounds 2 assists

Game 4 L 85-92
Garnett (6-20) 20 points 16 rebounds 6 assists

Series Average 21 points 12 rebounds 3 assists 44% shooting


1999-2000
Lost to Portland Trailblazers 3-1
Game 1 L 88-91
Garnett (6-20) 12 points 10 rebounds 11 assists

Game 2 L 82-86
Garnett 23 points 10 rebounds 5 assists

Game 3 W 94-87
Garnett (11-22) 23 points 10 rebounds 10 assists

Game 4 L 77-85
Garnett (5-20) 17 points 10 rebounds 9 assists

Series Average: 18 points 10 rebounds 8 assists 38% shooting

2000-2001
Lost to San Antonio Spurs 3-1
Game 1 L 82-87
Garnett (9-18) 25 points 13 rebounds 6 assists

Game 2 L 69-86
Garnett: (5-13) 18 points 12 rebounds 2 assists

Game 3 W 93-94
Garnett: (7-14) 22 points 8 rebounds 4 assists

Game 4 L 84-97
Garnett (6-13) 19 points 15 rebounds 5 assists

Series Average 21 points 12 rebounds 4 assists 46% shootingJonny Blaze








2001-2002 Lost to Dallas Mavericks 3-0
Game 1 L 94-101
Garnett: (6-18) 19 points 21 rebounds 6 assists

Game 2 L 110-122
Garnett (9-19) 31 points 18 rebounds 4 assists

Game 3 L 102-115
Garnett (9-19) 22 points 17 rebounds 5 assists

Series Average 24 points 18 rebounds 5 assists 42% shooting

2002-03 Lost to Los Angeles Lakers 4-2
Game 1 L 98-117
Garnett: (11-21) 23 points 14 rebound 7 assists

Game 2 W 119-91
Garnett: (15-21) 35 points 20 rebounds 7 assists

Game 3 W 114-110
Garnett: (15-31) 33 points 14 rebounds 4 assists

Game 4 L 97 -102
Garnett: (10-21) 28 points 18 rebounds 5 assists

Game 5 L 90-120
Garnett: (11-23) 25 points 16 rebounds 3 assists

Game 6 L 85-101
Garnett: (9-21) 18 points 12 rebounds 4 assists

Series Average: 27 points 15 rebounds 5 assists 51% shooting

2003-04
Beat Denver Nuggets 4-1

Game 1 W 106-92
Garnett:(13-30) 30 points 20 rebounds 4 assists

Game 2 W 95-81
Garnett: (9-27) 20 points 22 rebounds 10 assists

Game 3 L 86-107
Garnett: (10-18) 24 points 11 rebounds 8 assists

Game 4 W 84-82
Garnett: (8-17) 27 points 14 assists 5 rebounds

Game 5 W 102-91
Garnett: (9-16) 28 points 7 rebounds 8 assists

Series Average 25 points 14 rebounds 7 assists 45% shooting

Beat Sacramento Kings 4-3
Game 1 L 98-104
Garnett: (6-21) 16 points 18 rebounds 7 assists

Game 2 W 94-89
Garnett: (8-16) 28 points 11 rebounds 4 assists

Game 3 W 114-113
Garnett: (11-23) 30 points 15 rebounds 3 assists

Game 4 L 81-87
Garnett: (8-18) 19 points 21 rebounds 6 assists

Game 5 W 86-74
Garnett:(9-21) 23 points 12 rebounds 4 assists

Game 6 L 87-104
Garnett: (8-19) 19 points 10 rebounds 4 assists

Game 7 W 83-80
Garnett: (12-23) 32 points 21 rebounds 2 assists

Series Average 23 points 15 rebounds 4 assists 44% shooting

Lost to LA Lakers 4-2
Game 1 L 98-107
Garnett: (7-15) 16 points 10 rebounds 2 assists

Game 2 W 89-71
Garnett: (10-20) 24 points 11 rebounds 3 assists

Game 3 L 89-100
Garnett:(9-21) 22 points 11 rebounds 7 assists

Game 4 L 85-92
Garnett:(12-24) 28 points 13 rebounds 9 assists

Game 5 W 98-96
Garnett: (10-23) 30 points 19 rebounds 4 assists

Game 6 L 90-96
Garnett: (9-20) 22 points 17 rebounds 2 assists

Series Average 23 points 13 rebounds 4 assists 46% shooting

2005 MISSED PLAYOFFS
2006 MISSED PLAYOFFS
2007 MISSED PLAYOFFS






2007-08 Boston Celtics
Defeated Atlanta Hawks 4-3
Game 1 W 104-81
Garnett:(8-19) 16 points 10 rebounds 4 assists

Game 2 W 96-77
Garnett: (6-18) 19 points 10 rebounds 3 assists

Game 3 L 93-102
Garnett: (11-19) 32 points 10 rebounds 3 assists

Game 4 L 92-97
Garnett:(9-21) 20 points 9 rebounds 1 assists

Game 5 W 110-85
Garnett: (8-15) 20 points 5 rebounds 7 assists

Game 6 L 100-103
Garnett: (8-17) 22 points 7 rebounds 6 assists

Game 7 W 99-65
Garnett: (9-13) 18 points 11 rebounds 3 assists

Series Average: 21 points 8 rebounds 3 assists

Defeated Cleveland Cavaliers 4-3
Game 1 W 76-72
Garnett: (13-22) 28 points 8 rebounds 3 assists

Game 2 W 89-73
Garnett: (5-9) 13 points 12 rebounds 4 assists

Game 3 L 84-108
Garnett: (8-13) 17 points 9 rebounds 2 assists

Game 4 L 77-88
Garnett: (6-13) 15 points 10 rebounds 4 assists

Game 5 W 96-89
Garnett: (12-19) 26 points 16 rebounds 4 assists

Game 6 L 69-74
Garnett: (11-21) 25 points 8 rebounds 2 assists

Game 7 W 97-92
Garnett: (5-13) 13 points 13 rebound 3 assists

Series Average 19 points 10 rebounds 3 assists 54% shooting

Defeated the Detroit Pistons 4-2
Game 1 W 88-79
Garnett: (11-17) 26 points 9 rebounds 4 assists

Game 2 L 97-103
Garnett: (11-19) 24 points 13 rebounds 1 assists

Game 3 W 94-80
Garnett: (7-16)22 points 13 rebounds 6 assists

Game 4 L 75-94
Garnett: (6-16) 16 points 10 rebounds 3 assists

Game 5 W 106-102
Garnett: (11-17) 33 points 7 rebounds 2 assists

Game 6 W 89-81
Garnett: (7-16) 16 points 6 rebounds 4 assists

Series Average 22 points 9 rebounds 3 assists 52% shooting

Defeated LA Lakers 4-2
Game 1 W 98-88
Garnett: (9-22) 24 points 13 rebounds 3 assists

Game 2 W 108-102
Garnett: (7-19) 17 points 14 rebounds 3 assists

Game 3 L 81-87
Garnett: (6-21) 13 points 12 rebounds 5 assists

Game 4 W 97-91
Garnett: (7-14) 16 points 11 rebounds 3 assists

Game 5 L 98-103
Garnett: (6-11) 13 points 14 rebounds 0 assists

Game 6 W 131-92
Garnett: (10-18) 26 points 12 rebounds 4 assists

Series Average: 18 points 13 rebounds 3 assists 42% shooting

2009-10
Defeated Miami Heat 4-1
Game 1 W 85-76
Garnett: (6-10) 15 points 9 rebounds 3 assists

Game 2 W 106-77
Garnett: No stats

Game 3 W 100-98
Garnett: (7-14_ 16 points 6 rebounds 2 assists

Game 4 L 92-101
Garnett: (9-13) 18 points 12 rebounds 2 assists

Game 5 W 96-86
Garnett: (4-8) 14 points 8 rebounds 3 assists

Series Average: 15 points 8 rebounds 2 assists on 57% shooting


Defeated Cleveland 4-2
Game 1 L 93-101
Garnett: (9-10) 18 points 10 rebounds 4 assists

Game 2 W 104-86
Garnett: (8-21) 18 points 10 rebounds 2 assists

Game 3 L 95-124
Garnett: (8-11) 19 points 4 rebounds 1 assists

Game 4 W 97-87
Garnett: (6-11) 18 points 6 rebounds 2 assists

Game 5 W 120-88
Garnett: (8-14) 18 points 6 rebounds 1 assists

Game 6 W 94-85
Garnett: (11-19) 22 points 12 rebounds 3 assists


Series Average: 18 points 8 rebounds 2 assists 52% shooting


Defeated Orland 4-2
Game 1 W 92-88
Garnett: (4-14) 8 points 11 rebounds 5 assists

Game 2 W 95-92
Garnett: (5-16) 10 points 9 rebounds 2 assists

Game 3 W 94-71
Garnett: (4-6) 10 points 6 rebounds 1 assists

Game 4 L 92-96
Garnett: (5-12) 14 points 12 rebounds 1 assists

Game 5 L 92-113
Garnett: (5-14) 10 points 5 rebounds 3 assists

Game 6 W 96-84
Garnett: (5-10) 10 points 5 rebounds 2 assists

Series Average 10 points 8 rebounds 2 assists 38% shooting


Lost to LA Lakers 4-3
Game 1 L 89-102
Garnett: (7-16) 16 points 4 rebounds 1 assists

Game 2 W 103-94
Garnett: (2-5) 6 points 4 rebounds 6 assists

Game 3 L 84-91
Garnett: (11-16) 25 points 6 rebounds 3 asssits

Game 4 W 96-89
Garnett: (5-13) 13 points 6 rebounds 3 assists

Game 5 W 92-86
Garnett: (6-11) 18 points 10 rebounds 3 assists

Game 6 L 67-89
Garnett: (6-14) 12 points 6 rebounds 3 assists

Game 7 L 79-83
Garnett: (8-13) 17 points 3 assist 2 rebounds

Series Average: 15 points 5 rebounds 3 assists

2010-11
Beat New York Knicks 4-0

Game 1 W 87-85
Garnett: (5-14) 15 Points 13 rebounds 3 assists

Game 2 W 96-93
Garnett: (6-16) 12 points 10 rebounds 6 assists

Game 3 W 133-96
Garnett: (4-9) 9 points 12 rebounds 4 assists

Game 4 W 101-89
Garnett: (10-16) 26 points 10 rebounds 1 assists

Series Average: 15 points 11 rebounds 3 assists 45% shooting


Lost to Miami Heat 4-1
Game 1 L 90-99
Garnett: (3-9) 8 points 6 rebounds 1 assists

Game 2 L 91-102
Garnett: (8-20) 16 points 6 rebounds 0 assists

Game 3 W 97-81
Garnett: (13-20) 28 points 18 rebounds 1 assists

Game 4 L 90-98
Garnett: (1-10) 7 points 10 rebounds 2 assists

Game 5 L 88-97
Garnett: (6-13) 15 points 11 rebounds 3 assists

Series Average 14 points 10 rebounds 1 assists 43% shooting






Further Observations
1. Kevin Garnett Peak is the 2002, 2003 and 2004 playoffs. His numbers were very, very good. Franchise level good
Averaged 24 points 15 rebounds 5.2 assists on 46% shooting. During this time His teams were swept By the Mavs and then beat the next year by the Lakers and then in 2004 made it to the Western Conference Finals.
Eliminate these three years and the rest of Kevin Garnetts playoff numbers are not the stats of an all time great.

2. Even during this great run Garnett was outplayed by Dirk and Kobe Byrant in playoff losses to the Mavs and Lakers.
Eliminate the 2004 post season run, and there is no other point in Garnett’s career where he was the best player in a playoff series……think about that for a second.

3. These years are the only years Kevin Garnett was ever an elite playoff performer. The rest of his playoff career are essentially Jermaine O”Neal type 20-10 sort of performances.
4. If you compare other great players such as Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Kobe, Barkley, Malone, Nash, Shaq, Duncan…etc their elite playoff years last a hell of lot longer then three seasons.
All these players completely outclass Kevin Garnett when it comes to playoff performance


5. I was surprised by how few pantheon level playoff performances Garnett has ever had.

6. I was shocked at how pedestrian his numbers were his first 4 or 5 years in the playoffs. For instance it took him 6 years before he had his first 30 points playoff game (2002 against the Mavs.)
His averages during his first 5 playoff runs are 18 ppg and 10 rebounds. Everyone loves to make excuses for KG and blame it on his teammates…..but im sorry….18-10 aint good enough. Not in the Western Conference Playoffs
. If your franchise player is only giving you 18-10 then you aren’t going to win a lot of playoff games….and the Timberwolves record reflects that.

7. Kevin Garnett has never had a 40 point game in the playoffs. Not one time.
8. Kevin Garnett has had 9 total games where he scored over 30 points in a playoff game. This covers a span of 106 playoff games.
9. Dirk Nowitski has had 9 total games where he scored over 30 points……..the last two post seasons (2011 and 2010)
10. Dirks first two post seasons (2001, 2002) He went over the 30 point mark 9 different times…..In only 18 games.
10.2 Dirk scores over 30 points 8 times in the 2006 playoffs.


11. Dirk gets killed on this board for (three bad playoff performances (the only three below average series of his career) against Houston 2005, Miami in 2006 and Golden St in 2007
Dirk Averages in those series
Houston 2005: 21 points 9 rebounds 3 assists 35% shooting
Miami 2006: 23 points 10 rebounds 2 assists 39% shooting
Golden St: 19 points 11 rebounds 2 assists 38% shooting

This is interesting to me. . Dirk’s worst series ever was the 19-11 against Golden St in 2007…and if you examine Kevin Garnett’s career most of his series are 18-20 points and 10-12 rebounds

12. Someone said that Dirk's peak wasn’t anywhere close to Kevin Garnetts peak….so I checked that out also. During this same stretch of playoffs where Garnett was fantastic, Dirk was pretty damn good also.
His Averages during the 2002, 2003 and 2004 playoffs are 26 points 12 rebounds 2 assists 46% shooting.
Against Kevin Garnett and the Timbwerwolves Dirk averaged 34 ppg 15 rebounds on 52% shooting and 72% three point shooting in leading the Mavs to a sweep over the Wolves.

7 years later and Dirk is still putting up these monster numbers. Outside of 2002-2004 there has never been a time in Kevin Garnett career where he’s had playoff numbers remotely close to Dirk’s.


13. Kevin Garnett 2008 playoff numbers are good, but certainly not the numbers of a Franchise level player. They are the classic numbers that you would want from your #2 player
His 2008 numbers are very similar to Pau Gasol’s 2010 playoff numbers of
19 points 11 rebounds 53% shooting.
Solid numbers….but these are definitely the Robin sort of Numbers. These are not the numbers of a NBA Finals MVP.

Super.
10-10-2011, 01:14 PM
Dirk is far better offensively than anyone at the PF position...

But KG's defense is only bar none to Dwight

Hawkeye15
10-10-2011, 01:43 PM
to sum it up JB, there are two sides of the floor, and that is why KG is considered the better player to this point of their respective careers. And rightly so.

MTar786
10-10-2011, 02:29 PM
good luck convincing peaople dirk is better if that is what you are trying to do. you are comparing games of kg to dirk on the scoring end. how about you compare assists blocks and steal and see if dirk is comparable? also, how can you expect KG to score like crazy in 08 when he had prime ray and pierce for that one season. they all went downhill from there. especially ray. but it is what it is. when you have 3 superstars on a team they have to share shots attempted and ease of on the scoring.. so they can share.
KG's presence on the floor wont reflect on statistics either.
This is a classic case of people forgetting GTREATNESS because of box numbers and stats.

im only surprised that kg didnt make the playoffs all those years.
especially in 05.. i have no idea what happened to the league in 05. the kings just sucked. the twolves disappeared with pretty much the same roster fro the previous year where they made it to the wcf. The lakers were terrible due to the shaq and kobe thing. 2005 was the most boring nba year ever.. 05 and 07 were TERRIBLE years

Hawkeye15
10-10-2011, 02:35 PM
good luck convincing peaople dirk is better if that is what you are trying to do. you are comparing games of kg to dirk on the scoring end. how about you compare assists blocks and steal and see if dirk is comparable? also, how can you expect KG to score like crazy in 08 when he had prime ray and pierce for that one season. they all went downhill from there. especially ray. but it is what it is. when you have 3 superstars on a team they have to share shots attempted and ease of on the scoring.. so they can share.
KG's presence on the floor wont reflect on statistics either.
This is a classic case of people forgetting GTREATNESS because of box numbers and stats.

im only surprised that kg didnt make the playoffs all those years.
especially in 05.. i have no idea what happened to the league in 05. the kings just sucked. the twolves disappeared with pretty much the same roster fro the previous year where they made it to the wcf. The lakers were terrible due to the shaq and kobe thing. 2005 was the most boring nba year ever.. 05 and 07 were TERRIBLE years


Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell turned into the biggest babies alive because the Wolves wouldn't pay their old ***** a ton of money. Remember the, "I got a family to feed" statement from Sprewell after being offered a 3 year, $21 million deal, that he turned down because he for some reason thought a 33 with a declining perimeter game was worth more.

Enjoy bankruptcy Latrell :)

JordansBulls
10-10-2011, 03:33 PM
to sum it up JB, there are two sides of the floor, and that is why KG is considered the better player to this point of their respective careers. And rightly so.

Not my post, just quoted someone who put a lot of effort on breaking down KG in the playoffs for his career.

Rivera
10-10-2011, 03:37 PM
the numbers dont describe KGs teammates KGs opponents or how great KGs defense was

the numbers dont also describe how KG actually played PG vs the lakers

iggypop123
10-10-2011, 03:45 PM
they should put up troy hudsons numbers against the lakers. fisher basically made the biggest donation to a player ever. made him rich.

PinnacleFlash
10-10-2011, 04:46 PM
Kevin Garnett is overrated especially on that other site you post on JB, the same site that Swashcuff jacks 100% of his posts/opinions from.

Garnett is not a good playoff performer, nothing new.

Andrew32
10-10-2011, 06:28 PM
Thanks JB, interesting stats and a nice breakdown of his playoff games.

Dont agree with some of his opinions though especially the part at the end about Garnett somehow not being worthy of a Finals MVP in 08.
He also ignored things like defensive impact
(where Garnett is probably 10-20x better then Dirk), passing, rebounding etc...


2008 FMVP : Paul Pierce
Stats in 4 Winz
Paul Pierce : 22 / 4 / 6.75 --- 50%FG
Kevin Garnett : 21 /13 / 3 --- 45%FG

Post Season PER/WShares
Paul Pierce : 17.4 --- 3
Kevin Garnett : 23 --- 4.1

Conclusion : Very close one, Paul Pierce had the better overall production in Bostons 4 Wins in the Finals but KG was their teams main defensive anchor and wasnt signficantly worse production wise.

Soxsnation4life
10-10-2011, 06:41 PM
Ok so dirk is a better scorer than KG...maybe. Garnett is a better rebounder, defender, passer and it's not even close

BillyHoyle35
10-10-2011, 07:35 PM
from an offensive stand point KG would never be the number 1 option on a championship team. he only got to the finals when he had other proven scorers is allen and pierce who could take the pressure off him in that regards and let him concentrate on what he does best.

dirk obviously could lead a team to a title as the number 1 option, but he didn't succeed fully until he had a big defensive presence beside.

now if you merged to two guys you have a better version of tim duncan in his prime

Hawkeye15
10-10-2011, 08:09 PM
Not my post, just quoted someone who put a lot of effort on breaking down KG in the playoffs for his career.

oh, I apologize for not making clear that I knew that. I was simply responding to the text man, my b

Hawkeye15
10-10-2011, 08:10 PM
Kevin Garnett is overrated especially on that other site you post on JB, the same site that Swashcuff jacks 100% of his posts/opinions from.

Garnett is not a good playoff performer, nothing new.

instead of blanket statements per usual, please enlighten us how KG is overrated.

LakersIn5
10-10-2011, 10:43 PM
to sum it up JB, there are two sides of the floor, and that is why KG is considered the better player to this point of their respective careers. And rightly so.

and yet KG still just have the same number of championships as dirk

PinnacleFlash
10-10-2011, 11:03 PM
instead of blanket statements per usual, please enlighten us how KG is overrated.

I'll take the guy that didn't miss the playoffs for 3 straight seasons in his prime, thanks.

I'll also take the guy that doesn't suck when the playoffs come around.

Andrew32
10-10-2011, 11:11 PM
KG wasnt the "Pure Scorer" the way Shaq/Dirk/Kobe are/were. He needed secondary scorers to help him get over the top which Pierce/Allen provided.

However his all around game should not be ignored which includes amazing defense and the capability of being an Elite Defensive anchor not much worse then the Shaq or Duncans were. His passing/rebounding are also top notch aswell as his BBIQ, his Scoring is good even great but no Elite he is not a pure scorer.

I dont think he was much worse then the Kobe or even Duncan when he was at his Peak he just needed help like any other Star. Shaq couldnt win when all his players were bricking their shots in the late 90's. Kobe stepped up just enough when needed and provided enough offense finally for them to win in 00 and then provided the help Shaq needed to get over the top in the later years.

Just my point that any player no matter how great needs some help from their supporting Cast. 95 Hakeem had the best SG in the league (Drexler) and clutch shot makers Horry/Elie/Cassell/Smith all really great shooters who came up clutch in the PS...

KG had crap talent for most of his Career and he immediately Contended and won titles once he got some help in Boston. Dirk had much better talent throughout his Career and had a truly great all around supporting Cast in 11 when they won the title.

bagwell368
10-10-2011, 11:35 PM
the numbers dont describe KGs teammates KGs opponents or how great KGs defense was

the numbers dont also describe how KG actually played PG vs the lakers

x2

Until he got to the Celts other teams never had to worry about his teammates on Minny. So let's those double teams, and helps figured into his stats.

Garnett was the most key player on the 2007-2008 Celts in the regular season and playoffs, and he was late prime by that point.

AFAIAC, KG is a member of the all time 12 man NBA team.

bagwell368
10-10-2011, 11:36 PM
I'll take the guy that didn't miss the playoffs for 3 straight seasons in his prime, thanks.

I'll also take the guy that doesn't suck when the playoffs come around.

Let us know when the NBA becomes a 1 on 1 game - I.E. it's 5 on 5, and the Wolves sucked. Duncan wasn't taking them there either.

Ovratd1up
10-10-2011, 11:39 PM
1999-2000
Lost to Portland Trailblazers 3-1
Game 1 L 88-91
Garnett (6-20) 12 points 10 rebounds 11 assists

Game 2 L 82-86
Garnett 23 points 10 rebounds 5 assists

Game 3 W 94-87
Garnett (11-22) 23 points 10 rebounds 10 assists

Game 4 L 77-85
Garnett (5-20) 17 points 10 rebounds 9 assists

Series Average: 18 points 10 rebounds 8 assists 38% shooting

2000-2001
Lost to San Antonio Spurs 3-1
Game 1 L 82-87
Garnett (9-18) 25 points 13 rebounds 6 assists

Game 2 L 69-86
Garnett: (5-13) 18 points 12 rebounds 2 assists

Game 3 W 93-94
Garnett: (7-14) 22 points 8 rebounds 4 assists

Game 4 L 84-97
Garnett (6-13) 19 points 15 rebounds 5 assists

Series Average 21 points 12 rebounds 4 assists 46% shootingJonny Blaze



Quote:
2001-2002 Lost to Dallas Mavericks 3-0
Game 1 L 94-101
Garnett: (6-18) 19 points 21 rebounds 6 assists

Game 2 L 110-122
Garnett (9-19) 31 points 18 rebounds 4 assists

Game 3 L 102-115
Garnett (9-19) 22 points 17 rebounds 5 assists

Series Average 24 points 18 rebounds 5 assists 42% shooting

2002-03 Lost to Los Angeles Lakers 4-2
Game 1 L 98-117
Garnett: (11-21) 23 points 14 rebound 7 assists

Game 2 W 119-91
Garnett: (15-21) 35 points 20 rebounds 7 assists

Game 3 W 114-110
Garnett: (15-31) 33 points 14 rebounds 4 assists

Game 4 L 97 -102
Garnett: (10-21) 28 points 18 rebounds 5 assists

Game 5 L 90-120
Garnett: (11-23) 25 points 16 rebounds 3 assists

Game 6 L 85-101
Garnett: (9-21) 18 points 12 rebounds 4 assists

Series Average: 27 points 15 rebounds 5 assists 51% shooting

2003-04
Beat Denver Nuggets 4-1

Game 1 W 106-92
Garnett13-30) 30 points 20 rebounds 4 assists

Game 2 W 95-81
Garnett: (9-27) 20 points 22 rebounds 10 assists

Game 3 L 86-107
Garnett: (10-18) 24 points 11 rebounds 8 assists

Game 4 W 84-82
Garnett: (8-17) 27 points 14 assists 5 rebounds

Game 5 W 102-91
Garnett: (9-16) 28 points 7 rebounds 8 assists

Series Average 25 points 14 rebounds 7 assists 45% shooting

Beat Sacramento Kings 4-3
Game 1 L 98-104
Garnett: (6-21) 16 points 18 rebounds 7 assists

Game 2 W 94-89
Garnett: (8-16) 28 points 11 rebounds 4 assists

Game 3 W 114-113
Garnett: (11-23) 30 points 15 rebounds 3 assists

Game 4 L 81-87
Garnett: (8-18) 19 points 21 rebounds 6 assists

Game 5 W 86-74
Garnett9-21) 23 points 12 rebounds 4 assists

Game 6 L 87-104
Garnett: (8-19) 19 points 10 rebounds 4 assists

Game 7 W 83-80
Garnett: (12-23) 32 points 21 rebounds 2 assists

Series Average 23 points 15 rebounds 4 assists 44% shooting

Lost to LA Lakers 4-2
Game 1 L 98-107
Garnett: (7-15) 16 points 10 rebounds 2 assists

Game 2 W 89-71
Garnett: (10-20) 24 points 11 rebounds 3 assists

Game 3 L 89-100
Garnett9-21) 22 points 11 rebounds 7 assists

Game 4 L 85-92
Garnett12-24) 28 points 13 rebounds 9 assists

Game 5 W 98-96
Garnett: (10-23) 30 points 19 rebounds 4 assists

Game 6 L 90-96
Garnett: (9-20) 22 points 17 rebounds 2 assists

Series Average 23 points 13 rebounds 4 assists 46% shooting


Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no way in hell that Dirk could match these performances, especially when you take the other half of the game into account.

Andrew32
10-10-2011, 11:44 PM
Agree with Bagwell on most points including the fact that KG was the MVP of the 08 Playoffs and arguably just as important if not more so in the Finals.


2008 FMVP : Paul Pierce
Stats in 4 Winz
Paul Pierce : 22 / 4 / 6.75 --- 50%FG
Kevin Garnett : 21 /13 / 3 --- 45%FG

Post Season PER/WShares
Paul Pierce : 17.4 --- 3
Kevin Garnett : 23 --- 4.1

Conclusion : Very close one, Paul Pierce had the better overall production in Bostons 4 Wins in the Finals but KG was their teams main defensive anchor and wasn't significantly worse production wise.

PHX2daDEATH
10-11-2011, 12:08 AM
Dirk is the better Scorer...KG is better all-around..I'd rather have the guy who makes my D better, who rebounds ..Dirk hardly pulls a 15+ rebound game, Garnett pulls 15-20 with ease, Garnett had C players at best (Excluding Cassell and Sprewell and still that was no match for the lakers) around him his entire career..Dirk has been surrounded by atleast good talent his whole career..

Hawkeye15
10-11-2011, 12:11 AM
and yet KG still just have the same number of championships as dirk

what is your point? I assume you are a Kobe fan who uses rings as a heavy part of the equation on measuring players.

Hawkeye15
10-11-2011, 12:15 AM
I'll take the guy that didn't miss the playoffs for 3 straight seasons in his prime, thanks.

I'll also take the guy that doesn't suck when the playoffs come around.

ah, so you base roster support in your evaluation of an individual. That is wrong off the bat.


KG sucked? Huh. I didn't know nearly 20-11-4 was sucking, with a PER of 21.7, and defensive numbers above most.

PinnacleFlash
10-11-2011, 12:21 AM
Let us know when the NBA becomes a 1 on 1 game - I.E. it's 5 on 5, and the Wolves sucked. Duncan wasn't taking them there either.

lol at this garbage, Duncan took a team similar to the T'Wolves in 2003 to the finals and won them a championship.


ah, so you base roster support in your evaluation of an individual. That is wrong off the bat.


KG sucked? Huh. I didn't know nearly 20-11-4 was sucking, with a PER of 21.7, and defensive numbers above most.

How many other all-time greats missed the playoffs for three straight seasons in their prime? Go ahead tell me.

Wisdom Listens
10-11-2011, 12:38 AM
How many other all-time greats missed the playoffs for three straight seasons in their prime? Go ahead tell me.

Get a clue, dude. One player does not a team make.

PinnacleFlash
10-11-2011, 12:45 AM
Get a clue, dude. One player does not a team make.

Answer the question

How many other all-time greats missed the playoffs for three straight seasons in their prime? Go ahead tell me.

Oefarmy2005
10-11-2011, 12:48 AM
Let's not kid ourselves - we are talking about approximately 1.5x times larger total team salary for the Mavs vs the Wolves. The one year the Timberwolves added some aging vets a bit past their prime they went to the WCF. Do you really want me to start listing the players Dirk has played with on the same team for the last 10 years to what KG had to work with?

Wisdom Listens
10-11-2011, 12:54 AM
Answer the question

How many other all-time greats missed the playoffs for three straight seasons in their prime? Go ahead tell me.

I wouldn't need to answer if you realized it's an invalid question.

Oefarmy2005
10-11-2011, 01:17 AM
He had Steve Nash and Michael Finley for the first 5 years in the league. He had Jerry Stackhouse, Jason Terry, Josh Howard and Devin Harris for the next 4-5, and now he has the current pack of stars past their prime. Since 2002 the Mavs average team salary has been around 85-90 million, Wolves around 55-60 on average with KG being the highest paid player in the league for a while - do the math about who had what to play with...

PinnacleFlash
10-11-2011, 01:32 AM
The last all-star that Dirk has played with that wasn't a replacement was Steve Nash.

Dirk has led the Mavericks to 50+ wins for 11 straight seasons and that streak is still going.

KG can't even get his team to the playoffs.

Rivera
10-11-2011, 11:12 AM
The last all-star that Dirk has played with that wasn't a replacement was Steve Nash.

Dirk has led the Mavericks to 50+ wins for 11 straight seasons and that streak is still going.

KG can't even get his team to the playoffs.

when your 2nd best player is wally sczerbiak followed by your 3rd best player michael olowkandi its a surprise that the twolves were even in the playoff hunt

Oefarmy2005
10-11-2011, 11:26 AM
The last all-star that Dirk has played with that wasn't a replacement was Steve Nash.

Dirk has led the Mavericks to 50+ wins for 11 straight seasons and that streak is still going.

KG can't even get his team to the playoffs.

Did you not read my post. Michael Finley is at least 2 times better than anybody KG ever played with for the Wolves. He has always done way more with way less. Plus, lets not kid ourselves KG's overall game and efficiency is better than Duncan's and it is way better than Dirk's.

PinnacleFlash
10-11-2011, 11:47 AM
Hmmmm so NOBODY can give me an all-time great that has missed the playoffs for three straight seasons like KG did in his prime huh? Probably because he isn't that good.

pedrofan45
10-11-2011, 12:27 PM
Hmmmm so NOBODY can give me an all-time great that has missed the playoffs for three straight seasons like KG did in his prime huh? Probably because he isn't that good.

Yeah you're also saying that Wade is better than Lebron...

PinnacleFlash
10-11-2011, 12:29 PM
Yeah you're also saying that Wade is better than Lebron...

Yeah I know I am saying the truth, what else is new?

pedrofan45
10-11-2011, 12:40 PM
Yeah I know I am saying the truth, what else is new?

Ha yeah how bout during the whole playoffs when Wade was sucking and Lebron carried the team the heat looked unstoppable.. then when Lebron sat back and watched the finals and Wade started playing well the Heat blew

It's Lebron's team, if lebron sucks the heat suck.. if Wade sucks, the heat still look unstoppable depending if Lebron performs which is how they even got to the finals

And also, watch a few timberwolves highlights, you clearly have no idea how good KG was

juno10
10-11-2011, 12:48 PM
are people still taking pinnacleflash seriously?

PinnacleFlash
10-11-2011, 01:59 PM
Ha yeah how bout during the whole playoffs when Wade was sucking and Lebron carried the team the heat looked unstoppable.. then when Lebron sat back and watched the finals and Wade started playing well the Heat blew

It's Lebron's team, if lebron sucks the heat suck.. if Wade sucks, the heat still look unstoppable depending if Lebron performs which is how they even got to the finals

And also, watch a few timberwolves highlights, you clearly have no idea how good KG was

lol at Wade sucking, Wade was the best player in the 2011 playoffs not named Dirk Nowitzki.

bagwell368
10-11-2011, 03:07 PM
Hmmmm so NOBODY can give me an all-time great that has missed the playoffs for three straight seasons like KG did in his prime huh? Probably because he isn't that good.

Never saw the question until 4 minutes ago.

Try Oscar Robertson slam dunk all time great player.

Also Artis Gilmore, Dan Issel, Ray Allen


Done now, anybody that doesn't know KG is #1 or #2 with Duncan for best PF in NBA history, and doesn't fit comfortably in the all time top 15? :facepalm:

Swashcuff
10-11-2011, 03:49 PM
Not my post, just quoted someone who put a lot of effort on breaking down KG in the playoffs for his career.

JB you should have posted the replies from X-Factor and Drza (especially him) made. Descreditting everything said in the OP. Basically expounding on what Hawkeye15 and Bagwell has already said in this thread.

Basketball goes both ways. You can't just look at one side of the ball man say a player is a bad post season performer when his super star counter parts often found it tough to do well against him (with the exclusion of Dirk).

Garnett may have need help on offense, but does that make him any less of a player than Dirk who needed help on defense to win. Sure KG isn't the scorer Dirk is but offensively (scoring and play making) he carried did a solid job as a #1 option. He's no Charles Barkley on offense but he D more than made up for where he was lacking.

JordansBulls
10-11-2011, 03:51 PM
Never saw the question until 4 minutes ago.

Try Oscar Robertson slam dunk all time great player.

Also Artis Gilmore, Dan Issel, Ray Allen


Done now, anybody that doesn't know KG is #1 or #2 with Duncan for best PF in NBA history, and doesn't fit comfortably in the all time top 15? :facepalm:

What's your reasons for KG maybe ahead of Duncan or even K.Malone?

PinnacleFlash
10-11-2011, 07:15 PM
Never saw the question until 4 minutes ago.

Try Oscar Robertson slam dunk all time great player.

Also Artis Gilmore, Dan Issel, Ray Allen


Done now, anybody that doesn't know KG is #1 or #2 with Duncan for best PF in NBA history, and doesn't fit comfortably in the all time top 15? :facepalm:
Yeah and none of them are better than Dirk or top 20-25 players of all-time, tell me your point?

lol at KG being the #2 best PF of all-time. Did Malone, Barkley, Dirk, Pettit, or even Duncan miss the playoffs for three straight seasons? Actually, did any of those guys ever miss the post-season in their career especially in their prime?

KG sucks, DEAL WITH IT.

PinnacleFlash
10-11-2011, 07:16 PM
JB you should have posted the replies from X-Factor and Drza (especially him) made. Descreditting everything said in the OP. Basically expounding on what Hawkeye15 and Bagwell has already said in this thread.

Basketball goes both ways. You can't just look at one side of the ball man say a player is a bad post season performer when his super star counter parts often found it tough to do well against him (with the exclusion of Dirk).

Garnett may have need help on offense, but does that make him any less of a player than Dirk who needed help on defense to win. Sure KG isn't the scorer Dirk is but offensively (scoring and play making) he carried did a solid job as a #1 option. He's no Charles Barkley on offense but he D more than made up for where he was lacking.

I heard that X-Factor dude steals a bunch of posts on other sites because he can't form an opinion himself, no way anyone should take that loser seriously.

Oefarmy2005
10-11-2011, 07:44 PM
What's your reasons for KG maybe ahead of Duncan or even K.Malone?

I am not going to look up stats, but from what I remember watching almost every Wolves games, KG outperformed Duncan about 60% of the time. Wolves offcourse didn't win 60%, but Garnett always had a much worse supporting cast all of those years - probably because he was getting payed too much money. I honestly don't think Malone would be in the conversation if he didn't play almost all of his career with arguably the best pure pointguard of all time. Garnett has always been more versatile than either Duncan or Malone his whole career.

bagwell368
10-11-2011, 10:29 PM
What's your reasons for KG maybe ahead of Duncan or even K.Malone?

Karl Malone was IMO a dirty player that should have had at least 3k points taken away from him for fouls that should have been called for his brutal elbows.

KG and Duncan are like Mantle and Mays. Or Magic and Larry. You can hardly go wrong taking either one.

I do like Duncan for his dedication to the low post offensive game which KG is capable of, but somehow didn't quit push as much as he should have.

I appreciate the fact that KG kept his head into it, while playing for very weak teams. One can only image him on a team like SA all those years, look what he did in Boston, not only his own stats. Take a look at the games themselves, or the DRtg and DWS of every player vs the year before to see how massive his effect was on that Celt team.

KG if the lockout doesn't mess it up may well have 2 more decent years in him, while Duncan is done, at least in some totals this should put KG over Duncan.

My all time starting 12 solves this problem by taking both, and if pushed have to go with Duncan.

bagwell368
10-11-2011, 10:32 PM
Yeah and none of them are better than Dirk or top 20-25 players of all-time, tell me your point?

I wasn't logged in, so my filter was off, you actually claim Oscar Robertson wasn't a top 10 all time player? Go ahead and argue it, this should be fun....


lol at KG being the #2 best PF of all-time. Did Malone, Barkley, Dirk, Pettit, or even Duncan miss the playoffs for three straight seasons? Actually, did any of those guys ever miss the post-season in their career especially in their prime?

Did you actually look at the teams these guys played for before you make any of these claims. I. E. did any of them play for a team like Minny for years on top of years? :facepalm:

My nomination for the worst thread here over the past 12 months, and that is saying something.

PinnacleFlash
10-11-2011, 11:46 PM
I wasn't logged in, so my filter was off, you actually claim Oscar Robertson wasn't a top 10 all time player? Go ahead and argue it, this should be fun....
He isn't top 10 but he is top 15.

Those other players you listed are not better than Dirk though.

xbrackattackx
10-11-2011, 11:58 PM
Dudes a hall of famer no doubt about it.

Hawkeye15
10-12-2011, 12:10 AM
How many other all-time greats missed the playoffs for three straight seasons in their prime? Go ahead tell me.


ah, a person who can't measure roster support.

That is your argument?

Hawkeye15
10-12-2011, 12:12 AM
The last all-star that Dirk has played with that wasn't a replacement was Steve Nash.

Dirk has led the Mavericks to 50+ wins for 11 straight seasons and that streak is still going.

KG can't even get his team to the playoffs.

back to back here. Do you have any clue how to measure roster support? I know this is a rhetorical question, because I already have my answer, but I thought I would ask anyways.

Hawkeye15
10-12-2011, 12:16 AM
Yeah and none of them are better than Dirk or top 20-25 players of all-time, tell me your point?

lol at KG being the #2 best PF of all-time. Did Malone, Barkley, Dirk, Pettit, or even Duncan miss the playoffs for three straight seasons? Actually, did any of those guys ever miss the post-season in their career especially in their prime?

KG sucks, DEAL WITH IT.

I realize you are serious, but you must realize that your pretty much isolated completely in regards to your opinion. Garnett is the best defensive big man in the last 15 years. He is a 20-10-5 player for 7 straight years, passing Bird, Barkley, and anyone else.

Your continued question is a roster support question. You have absolutely no idea how to evaluate a roster obviously, so you come up with this as your defense. Its as hollow as it gets.

PinnacleFlash
10-12-2011, 12:34 AM
What's the main objective of the game? To win right? KG didn't do that. I'm just asking him to make the playoffs, nothing more, NOTHING MORE. He was irrelevant.

Kobes a Killer
10-12-2011, 12:51 AM
Shame on whoever had enough time to read all of that

naps
10-12-2011, 06:16 PM
I lol'ing reading Pinnacleflash's posts. Good lord he's banned.