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SportsAndrew25
10-07-2011, 10:51 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/conversations/_/id/7072853/meeting-nba-owners-union-scuttled-50-50-split-demand-sources-say


:facepalm:

NYman15
10-07-2011, 10:56 PM
Unbelievable. I was finally feeling optimistic for the 1st time during this lockout and now this. Doesn't sound good.

likemystylez
10-07-2011, 10:58 PM
more doomsday talk, i wonder what sheridan's response to this will be?

knicks_champ
10-07-2011, 10:59 PM
WTF ! These players couldn't agree to a 50/50 split? C'mon!

RevisIsland
10-07-2011, 11:00 PM
As I've been saying, we're gonna lose the season.

likemystylez
10-07-2011, 11:04 PM
As I've been saying, we're gonna lose the season.

lose over 4 billion dollars in revenue over a couple sides fighting over 80 million?... seems a bit ridiculous

DaBear
10-07-2011, 11:13 PM
Great. The Bears look like ****, the Blackhawks are 0-1, and now I can't see the Bulls play. Fan****ingtastic.

likemystylez
10-07-2011, 11:23 PM
WTF ! These players couldn't agree to a 50/50 split? C'mon!

14% pay drop off when they did nothing wrong?... would you take it?

meanwhile- owners who have been hiring gms to make all kinds of errors are rewarded with a 16.3% raise?

Baller1
10-07-2011, 11:26 PM
****ing greedy pricks. So frustrating.

knicks_champ
10-07-2011, 11:27 PM
14% pay drop off when they did nothing wrong?... would you take it?

meanwhile- owners who have been hiring gms to make all kinds of errors are rewarded with a 16.3% raise?

I would understand if I saw that my company is losing money... Which many owners are. But in the previous CBA the players got 57 percent of the revenue now 50/50 is not that far off...

likemystylez
10-07-2011, 11:31 PM
I would understand if I saw that my company is losing money... Which many owners are. But in the previous CBA the players got 57 percent of the revenue now 50/50 is not that far off...

well right now id be fine with it cuz i want a season to start really bad. But if the players give up a full 7% now then the owners will push them down to the low 40s in the next lock out... because they will have seen how easy it will be...

likemystylez
10-07-2011, 11:37 PM
LOL- dialog between stern and hunter

Stern- The players need to agree to a 50-50 split as a condition to the owners even meeting to negotiate.

Hunter- Do you want to just draw up the cba yourself and fax it over for us to sign? I don't see much point in actually meeting to "negotiate"- if you guys have already assigned us with our final offer.

Stern- Is that a yes?

Hunter- I can make that happen, I didn't know we could negotiate like that though.

Stern- The owners have given up so much though- we came up from 46%

Hunter- You were never really at 46%, it was a goal.

Stern- I was speaking conceptually... if you didnt notice, thats how we always talk.

Hunter- OK we will agree to a 50/50 split during this time around, but the owners need to agree that the players will be at a minimum of 55% during the next cba negotiation.... and we will start the next lock out with the owners agreeing to that number.... lets see how you guys negotiate with those conditions, it's only fair

knicks_champ
10-07-2011, 11:54 PM
well right now id be fine with it cuz i want a season to start really bad. But if the players give up a full 7% now then the owners will push them down to the low 40s in the next lock out... because they will have seen how easy it will be...

But meeting half way will put blocks to these talks.

CeeDub15
10-07-2011, 11:58 PM
Just because 2 weeks are missed doesnt mean we wont still play 82 games...they can push more games together or make the season longer if i remember right.

dunedinjays
10-08-2011, 12:06 AM
Is Latrell Sprewell representing the NBAPA now?

Ezio
10-08-2011, 12:27 AM
Billionaires/Millionaires arguing over a couple of millions while the rest of world is falling apart :pity:

Knicks21
10-08-2011, 12:51 AM
Billionaires/Millionaires arguing over a couple of millions while the rest of world is falling apart :pity:

by a couple you mean 80.

Ill21
10-08-2011, 12:59 AM
You guys make it seem like a 50/50 split of the BRI is completely fair. Think about it the owners have to split up their half between 30 owners. While the players have to split up their half between 500 players.

MVP1
10-08-2011, 01:18 AM
Without us, there would be no NBA and they reward us by slapping us back in the face.

likemystylez
10-08-2011, 01:20 AM
Without us, there would be no NBA and they reward us by slapping us back in the face.

I wouldnt say that- the fans are 4.4 billion dollars richer?....:confused:


Im trying to find a bright side but its tuff

likemystylez
10-08-2011, 01:22 AM
You guys make it seem like a 50/50 split of the BRI is completely fair. Think about it the owners have to split up their half between 30 owners. While the players have to split up their half between 500 players.

well there are more than 30 owners... or technically 29 because the league owns the hornets right now.

Most teams have one majority owner but atleast 8-12 minority owners that dont get recognized as much.

likemystylez
10-08-2011, 01:25 AM
by a couple you mean 80.

80 million really isnt THAT much. thats less than 3 million per team, they waste 4 times that buying out contracts and paying former coaches every year.

The players pay that much in fines, and suspensions without pay.

The drop off that the league will have if it misses a season is probably well over 500 million per season for the next 3 or 4 yrs

likemystylez
10-08-2011, 01:26 AM
I say the league proposes 51% at the last minute and trys to shove it down the players throats... has a decent chance of being approved

gwrighter
10-08-2011, 01:29 AM
80 million really isnt THAT much. thats less than 3 million per team, they waste 4 times that buying out contracts and paying former coaches every year.

The players pay that much in fines, and suspensions without pay.

The drop off that the league will have if it misses a season is probably well over 500 million per season for the next 3 or 4 yrs

80mil multiplied by however many years the new CBA will be for. players are willing to wait out until the sum of
80mil X CBA length = amount of profit lost this year by lockout.

so like a quarter of a season maybe. then the players will cave because they will lose more than that 7%per year by throwing the whole season. meh, the owners will most likely get close to that deal. prob another month missed at worst.

beasted86
10-08-2011, 01:44 AM
by a couple you mean 80.

I'd guess if all of the 180,00+ members of PSD combined their salary for the year, it still wouldn't hit 80 mill.

beasted86
10-08-2011, 01:46 AM
I say the league proposes 51% at the last minute and trys to shove it down the players throats... has a decent chance of being approved

Owners won't go to 51% this weekend.

likemystylez
10-08-2011, 01:46 AM
I'd guess if all of the 180,00+ members of PSD combined their salary for the year, it still wouldn't hit 80 mill.

whats ur point

HuRRiCaNeS324
10-08-2011, 01:50 AM
Just because 2 weeks are missed doesnt mean we wont still play 82 games...they can push more games together or make the season longer if i remember right.

USA games are this summer, so that might be impossible.

likemystylez
10-08-2011, 01:53 AM
Owners won't go to 51% this weekend.

im hoping the owners with some real money to lose start to open their mouths a little bit

Moving to 51% would seriously be like 1.25 million per team to absorb. Teams are going to have to pay 600-800k a month in maintnance, front office staff and interest on liabilities... not to mention the refunding of tickets +5%.

At 51% they will have gotten 240 million back in the first year for the 300 mill they suppisdly lost last yr. the players covering 80% of the owners loss seems reasonable to most people doesnt it?... I would say it seems more gernerous than a 50-50 split.

beasted86
10-08-2011, 01:55 AM
whats ur point

Just that $80M is nothing to scoff at both sides unwillingness to give up.

beasted86
10-08-2011, 01:56 AM
im hoping the owners with some real money to lose start to open their mouths a little bit


That's what I've been hoping for all along to get this deal pushed through. Maybe they finally put their feet down this weekend.

likemystylez
10-08-2011, 02:00 AM
Just that $80M is nothing to scoff at both sides unwillingness to give up.

yeah it is- when there is 4.4 billion to be made.

to put it into perspective, it would be like you and your sister arguing over how to split an 800 dollar lawyer fee.. to recover 450,000 dollars thatw as left for u in a will.... and actually considering the option of neither of you paying the fee.

yes 80 million dollars is more money than I have in my savings account.... but if 4.5 billion was the bigger picture, 80 million seems like a workable number. BTW- they came down from like 750-800 million already

beasted86
10-08-2011, 02:16 AM
yeah it is- when there is 4.4 billion to be made.

to put it into perspective, it would be like you and your sister arguing over how to split an 800 dollar lawyer fee.. to recover 450,000 dollars thatw as left for u in a will.... and actually considering the option of neither of you paying the fee.

yes 80 million dollars is more money than I have in my savings account.... but if 4.5 billion was the bigger picture, 80 million seems like a workable number. BTW- they came down from like 750-800 million already

You also have to keep in mind players especially talked about not having tunnel vision to get a deal done only for themselves, and they are thinking long term.

If the players never make a stand in these negotiations it will follow the same trend of them giving in at the ending of the next CBA when owners will likely still claim they are losing money.

bholly
10-08-2011, 04:48 AM
I'd guess if all of the 180,00+ members of PSD combined their salary for the year, it still wouldn't hit 80 mill.

is that meant to be 18,000 members? if so, that's only 4500 each. i think psd's average salary is more than that.