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redbird89
10-05-2011, 11:15 AM
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90-72 ||...Cardinals (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=stl)...||...vs...||...Phillies (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=phi)...|| 102-60


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Wednesday, Oct 5, 6:00 PM ET

TV: TBS

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........Edwin Jackson (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=429719)vs. Roy Oswalt (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=400061)

199.2.......IP.......139.0
12-9.......W-L.......9-10
3.79......ERA.....3.69
148.........K's.........93
62........BB's........33
84........ER........60
1.44........WHIP........1.34
0-1, 9.00........Vs. Opp. Team........10-9, 3.19
13.0 IP, 0-0, 4.85........Last 3 starts........20.2 IP, 2-1, 2.61


http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/60x60/stl.gifThis is quite a pitcher to call upon in a Game 4. Jackson has been arguably St. Louis' best starter since late July. He allowed two or fewer earned runs in nine of 12 starts, pitching at least six innings in 10 out of 12.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/60x60/phi.gifThe last time Oswalt pitched in St. Louis in the postseason he sent the Astros to their first and only World Series. He is looking forward to repeating the feat, either sending the Phillies to the NLCS or keeping their season alive for a Game 5.

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Cardinals Stats (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/stl/st-louis-cardinals) Phillies Stats (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/phi/philadelphia-phillies)

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Regular season
Lohse 3.39.......ERA.......Halladay 2.35
Molina .305.......BA.......Victorino .279
Pujols 37......HR.....Howard 33
Pujols 99.........RBI.........Howard 116
Pujols 105........R........Victorino 95
Berkman .959........OPS........Victorino .847
Lohse 14........W........Halladay 19
Carpenter 191........SO........Lee 238
Salas 24........SV........Madson 32
Lohse 1.17.......WHIP.......Hamels 0.99
Motte 18........Holds........Bastardo 17


Cardinals won 6-3
May 16, 2011 Phillies 1, Cardinals 3 Recap
May 17, 2011 Phillies 1, Cardinals 2 Recap
Jun 21, 2011 Phillies 10, Cardinals 2 Recap
Jun 22, 2011 Phillies 4, Cardinals 0 Recap
Jun 23, 2011 Phillies 2, Cardinals 12 Recap
Sep 16, 2011 Cardinals 4, Phillies 2 Recap
Sep 17, 2011 Cardinals 2, Phillies 9 Recap
Sep 18, 2011 Cardinals 5, Phillies 0 Recap
Sep 19, 2011 Cardinals 4, Phillies 3 Recap

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Matt Holliday (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=407812) Kyle McClellan (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=449072) Lance Lynn (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=458681) Adam Wainwright (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=425794)

Holliday had an MRI on his injured right hand and the tests showed he couldn't hurt it worse than it already was. Holliday, though, has been frustrated by how long it has taken for the tendon to heal. "I thought it would be better than this" by now, he said after leaving the batting cage. "I thought I'd make better progress."
Holliday said he still hasn't tried throwing, which obviously would be a requirement for him to return to the starting lineup.St. Louis Post-Dispatch (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinal-beat/article_07d63298-eebd-11e0-8b9a-001a4bcf6878.html#ixzz1Zv8QUQ9r)

PHILADELPHIA -- The Cardinals finalized their roster for the National League Division Series on Saturday, one day after a workout day at Citizens Bank Park. St. Louis elected not to carry Kyle McClellan on the roster, but Matt Holliday and Rafael Furcal will be healthy enough to play.
McClellan has been dealing with fatigue in his pitching arm for a good bit of September. He asked for a breather following his appearance on Monday in Houston. However, he said that after three full days without throwing, he felt very good once again. That wasn't enough to convince the Cardinals. MLB.com (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110930&content_id=25404708&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Lynn and Adam Wainwright took turns throwing with purpose Monday afternoon at Minute Maid Park. But each rehabilitating pitcher insisted his performance was part of a process, not part of a long-shot postseason contingency.
Lynn, on the 60-day disabled list because of an oblique strain suffered Aug. 9, threw about 20 pitches with maximum effort to five hitters. Lynn experienced no discomfort during the session and admitted excitement about entering the offseason without restriction. That does not equate to availability for the postseason. St. Louis Post-Dispatch (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_55a100dd-cc35-58ef-97b4-73cf454f8cfb.html#ixzz1ZJUIGdMu)

Lynn and Adam Wainwright took turns throwing with purpose Monday afternoon at Minute Maid Park. But each rehabilitating pitcher insisted his performance was part of a process, not part of a long-shot postseason contingency.
Wainwright threw about 40 pitches at what he estimated to be 75 percent effort during a side session. Despite his previous suggestions that he may try to lobby for a postseason role, Wainwright acknowledged that he doesn't see that happening. St. Louis Post-Dispatch (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_55a100dd-cc35-58ef-97b4-73cf454f8cfb.html#ixzz1ZJUIGdMu)

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http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_425747.jpg
Jose Contreras (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=425747)

Jose Contreras underwent season ending surgery yesterday. According to Matt Gelb of the Philadelphia Inquirer, Contreras had his elbow cleaned out and flexor tendon repaired during the procedure.
Contreras hit the disabled list in the middle of June with a strained right forearm, but it was later discovered that the 39 year old was dealing with a more serious arm problem.
The Phillies determined last week that Contreras would undergo the season ending procedure. Philadelphia hopes the surgery will alleviate the elbow pain Contreras has been experiencing.
While Philadelphia originally expected Contreras to be ready to go next spring, the club doesn’t sound as sure following surgery. Phillies GM Ruben Amaro told Gelb that he wasn’t sure if Contreras would be back by the time next season began.
Call to the Pen (http://calltothepen.com/2011/09/04/jose-contreras-undergoes-season-ending-surgery/)
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It looks pretty hopeless, but we'll see what happens.

Dr.Philly
10-05-2011, 11:37 AM
Since Jackson is starting.... maybe we should counter with Blanton:p


Just like last time >>>>> http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=3646924

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 12:03 PM
Well.....


I'm gonna say it







this is a must win

Yankee Clipper
10-05-2011, 12:52 PM
Do or die for the Cardinals. Would love to see them come away with the win but I think the Phillies will move on to the NLCS after tonight.

Fred
10-05-2011, 12:57 PM
Well.....


I'm gonna say it







this is a must win

good luck jeffy (but not really :D)

Pinstripe pride
10-05-2011, 01:10 PM
i say the cards win this one, but the phillies still win overall

Yankee Clipper
10-05-2011, 04:13 PM
Holliday says he's good to go tonight, felt good during bp.

http://twitter.com/#!/CardsInsider

WoodandNails
10-05-2011, 04:54 PM
Cliff Lee available out of the pen. This is going to be another exciting one.

koldjerky
10-05-2011, 05:08 PM
Come on Oswalt!!

mttwlsn16
10-05-2011, 05:39 PM
like to see StL take this one.
didnt realize edwin jackson was pitching as well as shown either

redbird89
10-05-2011, 05:54 PM
15 minutes until game time.

I hope we get a game five. I'm still kind of mad about leaving 14 runners on base yesterday. But no use crying over spilled milk.

redbird89
10-05-2011, 06:01 PM
If the NLCS ends up being the Brewers and the Phillies, I'll have to root for the AL in the World Series. I can't bring myself to root for the Brewers and the Phillies have won too much lately.

Dr.Philly
10-05-2011, 06:03 PM
Yall can join us in the Phillies forum for this game. We won't bite:p

carson005
10-05-2011, 06:04 PM
Lets go Cards...just to force a game 5, then let Roy throw a no-no

redbird89
10-05-2011, 06:07 PM
Why is Angel Hernandez calling balls and strikes? Isn't he notorious for being a bad umpire?

carson005
10-05-2011, 06:07 PM
Why is Angel Hernandez calling balls and strikes? Isn't he notorious for being a bad umpire?

Yeah hes terrible

TheRiot not starting? Weird.

redbird89
10-05-2011, 06:08 PM
Alright Cards. Let's force a game five.

-Lavigne43-
10-05-2011, 06:08 PM
****ing sun. Costing the Cardinals the game already

Havoc Wreaker
10-05-2011, 06:09 PM
Rasmus would've caught that

VenezuelanMet
10-05-2011, 06:09 PM
Lololololol shadows

carson005
10-05-2011, 06:10 PM
Great start for the cards

Havoc Wreaker
10-05-2011, 06:10 PM
Chaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Havoc Wreaker
10-05-2011, 06:11 PM
Edwin JacksLoL!!!!

carson005
10-05-2011, 06:11 PM
Now a HR to complete the 4 batter cycle.

Goalie31
10-05-2011, 06:11 PM
Decent start!

koldjerky
10-05-2011, 06:11 PM
Blame it on the sun... oh oh oh on the sun.

WoodandNails
10-05-2011, 06:13 PM
This offense knows what to do when their foot is on the neck.

carson005
10-05-2011, 06:14 PM
Even Brad Penny could strike out Ryan Howard.

carson005
10-05-2011, 06:15 PM
This offense knows what to do when their foot is on the neck.

Double play?

koldjerky
10-05-2011, 06:16 PM
Well that inning should've been continued.

koldjerky
10-05-2011, 06:16 PM
Safe at second and a pitch outside. Strikem out throwem out.... sureeeeeeeeeeee

WoodandNails
10-05-2011, 06:16 PM
Double play?

Jump on top in the first inning of a potential clincher. :clap:

Besides, the double play was the work of the second-base umpire.

redbird89
10-05-2011, 06:17 PM
Hopefully this will be a high-scoring game, at least for the Cardinals.

Eugh.

I try to be positive about sports, but I guess I'm jaded from having my heart broken so many times. I know other fans will say that I'm lucky. I probably am. Still, I get too wrapped up in sports. I shouldn't care so much.

carson005
10-05-2011, 06:17 PM
Well that inning should've been continued.

I feel like it ended way too quickly(bad calls aside). It feels like 5-0

redbird89
10-05-2011, 06:17 PM
Jump on top in the first inning of a potential clincher. :clap:

Besides, the double play was the work of the second-base umpire.

Angel Hernandez is behind the plate. I'm sure there will be more problems with umpires as the game goes on.

Dark Donnie
10-05-2011, 06:19 PM
Pence was safe... Didn't see the pitch

koldjerky
10-05-2011, 06:21 PM
Pitch was borderline. Could've gone either way. I'd agree that Howard shouldn't have taken that.

TheRuckus
10-05-2011, 06:22 PM
Either way, not a good sign that we're already talking about the umpires affecting the game...

TheRuckus
10-05-2011, 06:25 PM
If the NLCS ends up being the Brewers and the Phillies, I'll have to root for the AL in the World Series. I can't bring myself to root for the Brewers and the Phillies have won too much lately.

Oh, c'mon. We haven't won a World Series in three years!

koldjerky
10-05-2011, 06:25 PM
Shane :facepalm:

Dark Donnie
10-05-2011, 06:25 PM
What was that

redbird89
10-05-2011, 06:25 PM
Why did he throw the ball as hard as he could into the dirt?

carson005
10-05-2011, 06:25 PM
Anybody but Berkman or Molina and thats an inside the parker probably

Havoc Wreaker
10-05-2011, 06:26 PM
LoLShane

-Lavigne43-
10-05-2011, 06:26 PM
What was that? :laugh:

****ing sun!

carson005
10-05-2011, 06:26 PM
Why did he throw the ball as hard as he could into the dirt?

Because he has no respect for the ground crew. **** those guys!

Havoc Wreaker
10-05-2011, 06:26 PM
Lost the grip

koldjerky
10-05-2011, 06:27 PM
ERRAH!!!!!!!! on Victorino.

natepro
10-05-2011, 06:27 PM
What the hell just happened to Victorino? :laugh2:

redbird89
10-05-2011, 06:27 PM
Well, we got a run anyway. Hopefully Jackson can settle down now.

Skizzik
10-05-2011, 06:28 PM
That may have been the greatest throw by an outfielder that I've seen in my entire life. Let's be honest, that takes a special kind of talent.

WoodandNails
10-05-2011, 06:29 PM
Why did he throw the ball as hard as he could into the dirt?

Shadows.

koldjerky
10-05-2011, 06:31 PM
Craig Sager is not tolerable.

redbird89
10-05-2011, 06:32 PM
Nice top 2nd by Jackson. Let's score some runs in the bottom of the inning.

koldjerky
10-05-2011, 06:39 PM
Nope. :)

TheRuckus
10-05-2011, 06:54 PM
BABIP of Cardinals' scrub second basemen: Approximately infinity hojillion.

redbird89
10-05-2011, 07:07 PM
Hopefully Holliday is alright.

carson005
10-05-2011, 07:08 PM
BABIP of Cardinals' scrub second basemen: Approximately infinity hojillion.
It's unbelievable.

Also am I the only one who truly does to not give a **** about Molina's "post-season hitting streak for a catcher"? What a random ***, pointless stat.

carson005
10-05-2011, 07:08 PM
tie game

carson005
10-05-2011, 07:08 PM
not a tie game

redbird89
10-05-2011, 07:09 PM
Thank you David Freese!

jd25213
10-05-2011, 07:10 PM
go Cards

:hide:

TheRuckus
10-05-2011, 07:10 PM
Sure would've been nice to see how that first inning would've played out with correct calls.

carson005
10-05-2011, 07:10 PM
Matt Holliday looks so slow when he runs, but hes pretty fast.

carson005
10-05-2011, 07:11 PM
Sure would've been nice to see how that first inning would've played out with correct calls.

Correct calls are for sissies.

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 07:11 PM
Jackson, let's make some breathing room.

TheRuckus
10-05-2011, 07:14 PM
Correct calls are for sissies.

According to Angel Hernandez and his crew, I guess so.

Umpiring has been atrocious for both sides, but it feels like more calls have gone against the Phillies than not.

jd25213
10-05-2011, 07:16 PM
Sure would've been nice to see how that first inning would've played out with correct calls.

excuses, excuses:laugh2:

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 07:16 PM
According to Angel Hernandez and his crew, I guess so.

Umpiring has been atrocious for both sides, but it feels like more calls have gone against the Phillies than not.

Even as a Cards fan, I agree.

jd25213
10-05-2011, 07:19 PM
I love seeing that Granderson catch:D

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 07:19 PM
Where he goes back on the ball at first?

TheRuckus
10-05-2011, 07:20 PM
excuses, excuses:laugh2:

Guess you haven't been watching the games, big guy.

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 07:20 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/tony-la-russas-missed-opportunity/


To see the definition of an expertly handled bullpen we need to merely look three days in the past, to Tony La Russa’s masterful performance Sunday against Philadelphia. After Chris Carpenter sputtered on three days rest, La Russa’s bullpen maneuvered deftly through the last six innings, holding the Phillies scoreless. All six of the Cardinals’ relievers — Jason Motte, Mitchell Boggs, Fernando Salas, Octavio Dotel, Mark Rzepczynski and Arthur Rhodes — appeared in Sunday’s game, and thus a long start from Jaime Garcia on Tuesday would have been a boon for the bullpen.

Naturally, in the bottom of the sixth inning Tuesday in St. Louis, Tony La Russa was confronted with a conundrum: in a 0-0 game, Garcia came to bat with two outs and runners on first and second having thrown a mere 74 pitches. La Russa left Garcia in, and the decision would eventually lead to both their downfalls. Garcia would strike out to end the inning, and minutes later, with two outs in the top half of the seventh, Garcia would give up a three-run home run to Ben Francisco to effectively end the game.

Although Garcia certainly should have been able to retire Francisco, a .244/.340/.362 hitter on the season, La Russa’s decisions, first against pinch-hitting and then against removing Garcia, ultimately cost the Cardinals Game 3 and a 2-1 series lead.


Jaime Garcia is not a complete black hole at the plate — I watched him effectively win a game against the Brewers earlier this season with a three-run home run — but, as tends to be the case with pitchers, he’s not good. This season, he put up a mere .097/.111/.145 line at the plate and is a .137/.172/.171 hitter in his career. Carlos Zambrano he is not (in this situation, yes, that would be a good thing).

The Cardinals also have a tremendously deep bench, as La Russa opted to keep 15 position players partly due to Matt Holliday‘s injured hand. Holliday can’t play the field yet, but he was available to pinch-hit in game three, and was successful when called upon against Brad Lidge in the bottom of the eighth inning. The Cardinals also had right-handers available in Nick Punto and Gerald Laird, but if any situation calls for Matt Holliday — he of the 154 wRC+ — it was the bottom of the sixth yesterday. When Garcia came up to the plate against Hamels, there was a leverage index of 2.51, the highest of the game to that point. By leaving Garcia in, he effectively conceded the baserunners, assuming his pitching staff could hold the Phillies down long enough for the Cardinals to start another rally.

The move was misguided in a few different ways. As good as Cole Hamels is, things aren’t going to get much easier as the bullpen comes in. By the seventh inning, the Phillies are able to go to Antonio Bastardo, Vance Worley, Brad Lidge and Ryan Madson, all pitchers who kept their ERAs and FIPs both under 3.40 this season. By taking the runners of the bases, La Russa is making it so his batters have to restart the process all over just to get into the same situation, attempting to get a string of consecutive baserunners instead of hoping one hitter — the team’s second or third best hitter at that — can produce.

Also, the attempt at saving the bullpen was likely unnecessary. For as long as the Cardinals’ relievers were in the game, they didn’t actually throw many pitches. Salas and Dotel each threw 19 pitches, and that tops the list. Rzepczynski threw 12, Motte nine, Boggs four, and Rhodes three. Especially with the day off between games, this should have been a bullpen near, if not at full strength.

All of this makes me feel as if La Russa was managing the game in regular season mode. In the regular season, you simply don’t take out a pitcher at only 74 pitches, because over 162 games, a team needs to keep its bullpen fresh due to the lack of scheduled off days and how quickly constant work can pile up. In the playoffs, with a day off after every two games (at least in the divisional round), this shouldn’t be as much of a concern. In the playoffs, every run is important now, particularly in a tie game in which runs are scarce such as Tuesday’s. La Russa’s bullpen is very much capable of getting outs — they went another two scoreless innings in Tuesday’s tilt.

There wasn’t going to be a better chance at using Matt Holliday to score runs and gain a lead, and La Russa let it pass him by. He paid once as his team left the sixth scoreless, and he paid again as it left the top of seventh behind for good.

redbird89
10-05-2011, 07:25 PM
Wineberg is coming to look at Schumaker. I hope he is okay.

-Lavigne43-
10-05-2011, 07:25 PM
Squirrel!!!

Strike89
10-05-2011, 07:26 PM
What's up with the squirrel?

redbird89
10-05-2011, 07:26 PM
Same squirrel as last night?

TheRuckus
10-05-2011, 07:26 PM
Angel Hernandez has to be the worst umpire in baseball. Why is he on a playoff crew?

The Ooh Child
10-05-2011, 07:26 PM
That squirrel is the man, he's livin it up

-Lavigne43-
10-05-2011, 07:27 PM
Angel Hernandez has to be the worst umpire in baseball. Why is he on a playoff crew?

So the umps can leave a mark on the game

redbird89
10-05-2011, 07:27 PM
Oswalt threw the pitch before the squirrel showed up, so I don't see what the problem is.

If that were Carpenter talking everybody would be saying that he's a whiny baby. Lol.

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 07:28 PM
now that's funny


But that's a live ball Roy.

The Ooh Child
10-05-2011, 07:28 PM
I think Cholly was asking for a do-over

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 07:29 PM
I don't see the complaint.

He threw the ball before the squirrel showed up, and while it may have distracted him. It's a live ball all the way. Says so in the rule book, that no matter the distraction, it's a live ball until time is called.

A ball can hit a bird in play, and it's live, regardless of the outcome. There is no discussion here, that's a live ball, and that was a ball. Should be ruled a ball.

didn't matter anyway.

koldjerky
10-05-2011, 07:30 PM
Damn you Theriot.

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 07:37 PM
amazing Albert!

redbird89
10-05-2011, 07:37 PM
Heads up play by Albert.

Strike89
10-05-2011, 07:37 PM
Wow what was Utley thinking?

-Lavigne43-
10-05-2011, 07:37 PM
Pujols out-grits Utley

The Ooh Child
10-05-2011, 07:38 PM
Utley is a wild stallion

jd25213
10-05-2011, 07:38 PM
Guess you haven't been watching the games, big guy.

I'm just giving you a hard time, plus did you watch game 3 of the Yanks/Tiggers series

TheRuckus
10-05-2011, 07:39 PM
Rare mistake by Utley + heads up play by Pujols = lame.

At least Jackson's doing his best to **** up right now.

MooseWithFleas
10-05-2011, 07:40 PM
Jackson has thrown 1 strike this inning. CAN WE STOP SWINGING PLEASE?

TheRuckus
10-05-2011, 07:41 PM
I'm just giving you a hard time, plus did you watch game 3 of the Yanks/Tiggers series

That's the only series I haven't watched, I couldn't give less of a **** who wins it and hope the Rangers stomp whichever team survives.

jd25213
10-05-2011, 07:42 PM
woo

jd25213
10-05-2011, 07:43 PM
That's the only series I haven't watched, I couldn't give less of a **** who wins it and hope the Rangers stomp whichever team survives.

well if you watched it, CC was squeezed big time where basically he had to throw it over the middle part of the plate, Verlander had a much bigger zone and many of his strike calls were called balls for CC, and calls that were balls for CC were strikes for Verlander if you get the picture

TheRuckus
10-05-2011, 07:47 PM
I honestly don't even like when bad calls go in my team's favor.

Just let the best ****ing team win.

Strike89
10-05-2011, 07:51 PM
Wow that was a blast.

-Lavigne43-
10-05-2011, 07:52 PM
Freese!!!!!!!!!!!

The Ooh Child
10-05-2011, 07:52 PM
It's OK little roy, keep your chin up baby

Bulls_fan90
10-05-2011, 07:52 PM
Freese!!!!

TheRuckus
10-05-2011, 07:53 PM
Freese > Howard

Strike89
10-05-2011, 07:54 PM
Who knows we might have 3 Game fives coming up.

CHRISDODGERS
10-05-2011, 07:56 PM
hell yes freese

Strike89
10-05-2011, 08:01 PM
Arthur Rhodes and Octavio Dotel... Two guys who's been with pretty much every team.

Strike89
10-05-2011, 08:06 PM
So if the Cards win, who's gonna go in Game 5? Are they sticking with Kyle Lohse or someone else?

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:12 PM
Freese > Howard

:dance:

But seriously

David Freese - .348 wOBA
Ryan Howard - .354 wOBA

David Freese - .122 wRC+
Ryan Howard - .123 wRC+

single season stats of course
David Freese - 2.4 UZR
Ryan Howard - -4.8 UZR

David Freese - 1.8 rWAR
Ryan Howard - 2.7 rWAR

David Freese - 2.7 fWAR
Ryan Howard - 1.6 fWAR

David Freese - 363 Pa
Ryan Howard - 644 Pa

David Freese - 1 WAR per 161.33 plate appearance average
Ryan Howard - 1 WAR per 299.53 plate appearance average

David Freese - 1 WAR per $184,444.44 average per dollar earned
Ryan Howard - 1 WAR per $11,111,111.11 average per dollar earned



ask me who I would rather have

Strike89
10-05-2011, 08:14 PM
A balk. Two balks in two days.

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:15 PM
Theriot didn't **** up?

Strike89
10-05-2011, 08:15 PM
Theriot with a nice play.

Strike89
10-05-2011, 08:18 PM
Wow that was bad luck for the Cards.

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:20 PM
nervous

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:20 PM
Cards at 87.2%

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:21 PM
Gd!

Strike89
10-05-2011, 08:21 PM
Phillies are getting back in this...

NYKnicksAllDay
10-05-2011, 08:21 PM
****. C'mon Cards.

Strike89
10-05-2011, 08:21 PM
2 outs.

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:22 PM
twice this inning we should have had a double play, and Salas and Molina had just made a mistake

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:22 PM
As much as I rip on Howard for not being 'elite' he can change this game with one swing everytime.

The Ooh Child
10-05-2011, 08:23 PM
Ryan "Sex Gorilla" Howard

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:26 PM
90.2% currently

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:26 PM
yes!

-Lavigne43-
10-05-2011, 08:26 PM
:k:!!!

Strike89
10-05-2011, 08:26 PM
That's the 8th. 3 more outs for Game 5.

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:26 PM
:cheer:

:dance:

CHRISDODGERS
10-05-2011, 08:30 PM
Hit me with the W% Jeffy!

Strike89
10-05-2011, 08:33 PM
All right. Let's see how this turns out.

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:34 PM
hit me with the w% jeffy!

93.0

Dark Donnie
10-05-2011, 08:34 PM
At least we'll have Halladay going next game

NYKnicksAllDay
10-05-2011, 08:36 PM
just 3 more outs. please.

Pujolsfan91
10-05-2011, 08:37 PM
Ok Motte! Lets close this out.

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:37 PM
Freese on pace to be the Cards player of the game, Utley the Phillies.

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:37 PM
3-0, hell of a start!

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:37 PM
It's ad-ron! not a-dron!

TheRuckus
10-05-2011, 08:38 PM
I sure am glad we're paying Howard $125 million over the next five years!

Strike89
10-05-2011, 08:38 PM
1 out.

NYKnicksAllDay
10-05-2011, 08:39 PM
Well looks like Carpenter will be pitching in Game 5.

Strike89
10-05-2011, 08:39 PM
2 outs.

NYKnicksAllDay
10-05-2011, 08:39 PM
:k:

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:40 PM
come on come on

NYKnicksAllDay
10-05-2011, 08:41 PM
1 more strike! :jumpy:

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:41 PM
the crowd is going nuts!

Strike89
10-05-2011, 08:41 PM
Ballgame. See ya in Philly for Carpenter v Halladay.

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:41 PM
yes!

NYKnicksAllDay
10-05-2011, 08:41 PM
Wow. What a catch. Can't wait for Game 5.

NYKnicksAllDay
10-05-2011, 08:42 PM
:dance:

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:42 PM
100%

Pujolsfan91
10-05-2011, 08:43 PM
Excited for Game 5!

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 08:43 PM
No real critical situations in this game

TheRuckus
10-05-2011, 08:43 PM
Well, that sucked on a lot of different levels.

I said at the outset this would either be a sweep or we'd need all five games to decide it. Well, here we are.

Halladay, at home. Can't really set it up better than that.

Dark Donnie
10-05-2011, 08:44 PM
Lead us Halladay!

More-Than-Most
10-05-2011, 08:45 PM
Lmfao I picked the cards in 5... Man does this suck

koldjerky
10-05-2011, 08:45 PM
I hate baseball.

GoatMilk
10-05-2011, 08:52 PM
no bob brenly for game 5
that sucks

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 09:01 PM
more Stockton please!

UPRock
10-05-2011, 09:08 PM
Great Game :D.

Illa215
10-05-2011, 09:13 PM
Of course I have tickets for game 5, but have a mandatory event. **** this team.

redbird89
10-05-2011, 09:15 PM
Just got back from church. It looks like the Cardinals are still alive.

I wasn't sure if they could do it, but the Cardinals are going to game 5.

Jeffy25
10-05-2011, 09:34 PM
Of course I have tickets for game 5, but have a mandatory event. **** this team.

just send them this way

redbird89
10-05-2011, 09:38 PM
By the way the Rally Squirrel has a Twitter page

http://twitter.com/#!/BuschSquirrel

NYKnicksAllDay
10-05-2011, 10:07 PM
By the way the Rally Squirrel has a Twitter page

http://twitter.com/#!/BuschSquirrel

Lol. That's awesome.

redbird89
10-05-2011, 11:18 PM
It's strange how great of a game it was considering Albert and Howard each went 0-4. Except that homerun in Game one, Howard hasn't been much of a factor this series. Albert has hit some, but not the homeruns we're used to.

More-Than-Most
10-05-2011, 11:39 PM
It's strange how great of a game it was considering Albert and Howard each went 0-4. Except that homerun in Game one, Howard hasn't been much of a factor this series. Albert has hit some, but not the homeruns we're used to.

It should be against the law to mention these 2 guys together in the same post.

JCmasta
10-06-2011, 12:31 AM
Phillies losing in the NLDS would be the most historic upset ever, i mean their entire rotation is made up of HOFers who are still pitching with their best stuff.

redbird89
10-06-2011, 12:35 AM
"Of course, being from the South and being a squirrel hunter, if I had a gun there, might have did something," Manuel said. "I'm a pretty good shot."

http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2011/story/_/id/7065022/2011-nlds-busch-stadium-squirrel-steals-spotlight

Dark Donnie
10-06-2011, 12:41 AM
That's awesome.... Should be a great game Friday... Hopefully The Phils get to Carpenter again.

redbird89
10-06-2011, 12:43 AM
Doubtful. Carpenter will be on full rest this time.

Dark Donnie
10-06-2011, 01:02 AM
Never know

Dark Donnie
10-06-2011, 01:07 AM
Phillies losing in the NLDS would be the most historic upset ever, i mean their entire rotation is made up of HOFers who are still pitching with their best stuff.

It def wouldn't be the biggest upset ever. Phillies pitching is much better them The Cards..but The Cards offense is much better then ours.

More-Than-Most
10-06-2011, 02:36 AM
Doubtful. Carpenter will be on full rest this time.

Lol has he never been hit on full rest before?:D

More-Than-Most
10-06-2011, 02:37 AM
It def wouldn't be the biggest upset ever. Phillies pitching is much better them The Cards..but The Cards offense is much better then ours.

I agree... Also any team can beat any team in a 5 game series... The cards are hot and I feared this coming in and it would be an upset but nowhere close to omg the greatest upset ever.

The Natural
10-06-2011, 02:38 AM
Most historic upset of alltime? That has to be the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever seen in my life on this site. An upset, certaintly, of alltime it probably wouldn't be in the top 20 in baseball. Roy Oswalt does not have his best stuff, he's a fringe number 2.

redbird89
10-06-2011, 02:43 AM
Lol has he never been hit on full rest before?:D

I didn't say that. However, he should be better on full rest than on 3 days rest.

Game five should be a pitcher's duel, though with the postseason you never know.

More-Than-Most
10-06-2011, 02:48 AM
I didn't say that. However, he should be better on full rest than on 3 days rest.

Game five should be a pitcher's duel, though with the postseason you never know.

Agreed. Everyone is expecting a pitchers duel and watch us get an 11-10 final...walk off for us of course :love:

dodgerdave
10-06-2011, 02:50 AM
The Giants beating the Phils last year would still be a bigger upset IMO. After all, this is just a best of 5 games series.

The Natural
10-06-2011, 03:31 AM
The Giants beating the Phils last year would still be a bigger upset IMO. After all, this is just a best of 5 games series.




This.

Yankee Clipper
10-06-2011, 04:29 AM
Very surprised to see the Cards come away with the win in this one, game 5 should be a great one.

mttwlsn16
10-06-2011, 09:04 AM
Of course I have tickets for game 5, but have a mandatory event. **** this team.

your mandatory event should be going to the game

Havoc Wreaker
10-06-2011, 10:40 AM
:ohno: