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JordansBulls
10-01-2011, 05:36 PM
2 Finals appearances.


Player Year PPG RPG APG FG% PER
Dwyane Wade 2006 34.7 7.8 3.8 46.8 33.8
Dwyane Wade 2011 26.5 7.0 5.2 54.6 30.2

heyman321
10-01-2011, 05:40 PM
Too bad he didn't get a ring this year.

beasted86
10-01-2011, 05:42 PM
Too bad he didn't get a ring this year.

There's always next year.

But those stats alone are the reason I'm confused when people try and put Iverson or Drexler above Wade all time, or insult him with lower ranking guys like Gervin & Maravich. There's really only 3 guys who have a strong claim ahead at his position: Jordan, Kobe, West.

Andrew32
10-01-2011, 05:46 PM
Best Finals Performer "from his position" since MJ himself.

Pretty amazing how hard this guy is slept on.

Has arguably the two best playoff run/performances of the PJ Era for a Guard/Wing. (06,11)

3mikee_
10-01-2011, 05:48 PM
Dude is just unstoppable.

smith&wesson
10-01-2011, 05:49 PM
id take 2011 wade in the finals > 2006 wade in the finals.

his 54.6 fg % is just great for a sg and his assists jumped from 3.8 to 5.2

PinnacleFlash
10-01-2011, 05:56 PM
Best player on the Miami Heat and it's not even close. You guys should check out what his pathetic teammate LeBron did in the 2007 and 2011 NBA Finals. Pretty hilarious and pathetic.

SportsFanatic10
10-01-2011, 06:04 PM
beast!

-Kobe24-TJ19-
10-01-2011, 06:05 PM
Best player on the Miami Heat and it's not even close. You guys should check out what his pathetic teammate LeBron did in the 2007 and 2011 NBA Finals. Pretty hilarious and pathetic.

:laugh::laugh:

poleandreel
10-01-2011, 06:07 PM
Best player on the Miami Heat and it's not even close. You guys should check out what his pathetic teammate LeBron did in the 2007 and 2011 NBA Finals. Pretty hilarious and pathetic.

I can tell you know alot about basketball

SportsFanatic10
10-01-2011, 06:15 PM
Best player on the Miami Heat and it's not even close. You guys should check out what his pathetic teammate LeBron did in the 2007 and 2011 NBA Finals. Pretty hilarious and pathetic.

i'm a big wade fan going back to his college days and hes my favourite basketball player, but you sir take it way, way too far and are the definition of a "fanboy". you seem to post this same thing in every thread and not only is it untrue (the case can probably be made that wade is better than lebron but to say its not even close is laughable) but its getting pretty old.

PinnacleFlash
10-01-2011, 06:30 PM
i'm a big wade fan going back to his college days and hes my favourite basketball player, but you sir take it way, way too far and are the definition of a "fanboy". you seem to post this same thing in every thread and not only is it untrue (the case can probably be made that wade is better than lebron but to say its not even close is laughable) but its getting pretty old.
Nope.

SportsFanatic10
10-01-2011, 06:35 PM
Nope.

i bet you stalk him you crazy mofo.

PinnacleFlash
10-01-2011, 06:37 PM
i bet you stalk him you crazy mofo.

I bet Wade > LeBron, easy money on that bet right there.

No but seriously, Wade is the best player on the Miami Heat and I was just kidding about him being the best by a landslide but he is the best. I don't know if you agree or not but he is better. LeBron was better in 2009 and 2010 but Wade is better now and was better in 05 and 06 too.

netsgiantsyanks
10-01-2011, 06:39 PM
wait, a heat fan is dissing lebron?

:confused:

Cal827
10-01-2011, 06:41 PM
Pinnacle= Dnewguy on opposite day. Just kidding with ya :D

Wade's numbers are incredible in both series though. I think I actually would take the one where he averaged a lower percentage from the field, considering that his options back then were an injured Shaq, and Antoine Walker. The Mavs in the first one focused completely on locking him up, but he still shot like 47% from the field. This year he had Lebron/Bosh around him, so the team focused on locking James up (he's more of an attacker since he's more athletic). If Lebron actually attacked more and averaged more than three free throw attempts per game or if Bosh shot a little better from the field, Wade might have his second playoff MVP trophy.

SportsFanatic10
10-01-2011, 06:42 PM
personally i do think wade is slightly better but its a very tough call. lebron is the more durable player and puts up the bigger numbers over a season but in a playoff series i'd take wade over lebron.

SportsFanatic10
10-01-2011, 06:43 PM
wait, a heat fan is dissing lebron?

:confused:

hes not a heat fan hes a wade fan. i even remember he posted that a while back.

but as a true heat fan myself i can see some heat fans dissing lebron a bit because well there are reasons to no question. i don't just defend players blindly just because they're on my favourite team.

netsgiantsyanks
10-01-2011, 06:53 PM
so whats his favorite team? team wade?

SportsFanatic10
10-01-2011, 06:58 PM
so whats his favorite team? team wade?

haha actually yes i think so.

beasted86
10-01-2011, 07:00 PM
so whats his favorite team? team wade?


haha actually yes i think so.

True.

JordansBulls
10-02-2011, 09:05 AM
wait, a heat fan is dissing lebron?

:confused:

A true Heat fan would. A true Heat fan wouldn't diss Wade though.

daleja424
10-02-2011, 09:07 AM
no...a real heat fan wouldnt diss either... since they are both heat players

but, just because you are a fan doesn't mean your players are beyond critique...

Andrew32
10-02-2011, 09:20 AM
Heat Fans should like both since they are both on the team...

If your a heat Fan do you want Lebron to get injured or leave?? cmon.

Underrated Wade
10-02-2011, 09:23 AM
finals 2011:
lebron - ppg. 17.4? something ****** like that for someone considered best player in the NBA.
not hating. just pissed that my fav player didnt win a ring cuz of lebron who was supposed to help him win. and now everybody saying bosh didnt do ****. everybody hates chris. wat can i say

heyman321
10-02-2011, 11:05 AM
no...a real heat fan wouldnt diss either... since they are both heat players

but, just because you are a fan doesn't mean your players are beyond critique...

well said. Unless it's someone like Luke Walton on your team, then you're allowed to hate him. I feel sorry for Laker fans.

Chronz
10-02-2011, 12:01 PM
I would like to see a great defensive team focus on stopping him, like totally commit to it. In 06 it was Shaq getting the hard doubles with the Mavs not being elite defensively and had problems slowing down wings all year. This year the Mavs were better defensively but they focused on Bron.

KnicksorBust
10-02-2011, 12:14 PM
id take 2011 wade in the finals > 2006 wade in the finals.

his 54.6 fg % is just great for a sg and his assists jumped from 3.8 to 5.2

His '06 Finals performance was one of the greatest of all-time. You know where that point differential from '06 and '11 is coming from? Free throws and you can't underestimate the value of getting to the free throw line as much as he did his first finals.


I would like to see a great defensive team focus on stopping him, like totally commit to it. In 06 it was Shaq getting the hard doubles with the Mavs not being elite defensively and had problems slowing down wings all year. This year the Mavs were better defensively but they focused on Bron.

I think we saw plenty of that during the 2008-2009 season and he had one of the greatest seasons I've ever seen.

netsgiantsyanks
10-02-2011, 12:21 PM
finals 2011:
lebron - ppg. 17.4? something ****** like that for someone considered best player in the NBA.
not hating. just pissed that my fav player didnt win a ring cuz of lebron who was supposed to help him win. and now everybody saying bosh didnt do ****. everybody hates chris. wat can i say

or maybe the mavericks were just too good for them

LakersMaster24
10-02-2011, 01:12 PM
Is Underrated Wade the new account of PinnacleFlash?

Greet
10-02-2011, 02:12 PM
Probably better then Jordan at this point. Hopefully he can get on the elite level that Rose is on.

KnicksorBust
10-02-2011, 02:18 PM
^ sounds so much like a baiting post. :laugh2:

Bruno
10-02-2011, 03:59 PM
JB how did you calculate individual PER from a given series? Spread-sheet?

Andrew32
10-02-2011, 04:02 PM
I am also curious how one would Calculate PER for a single series or over a small number of games.

LayZbone
10-02-2011, 05:38 PM
My favorite player of all time and it's not even close. Dude is just unreal.

knightstemplar
10-02-2011, 05:58 PM
JB how did you calculate individual PER from a given series? Spread-sheet?


I am also curious how one would Calculate PER for a single series or over a small number of games.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1



Name Team Year PPG RPG APG FG% PER
Dwyane Wade Mia 2006 34.7 7.8 3.8 46.8 33.8
Tim Duncan SA 2003 24.2 17.0 5.3 49.5 32.0
Michael Jordan Chi 1991 31.2 6.6 11.4 55.8 31.5
Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2002 36.3 12.3 3.8 59.5 31.4
Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2000 38.0 16.7 2.3 61.1 31.1
Michael Jordan Chi 1998 33.5 4.0 2.3 42.7 30.8
Tim Duncan SA 1999 27.4 14.0 2.4 53.7 30.7
Dwyane Wade Mia 2011 26.5 7.0 5.2 54.6 30.2
Michael Jordan Chi 1997 32.3 7.0 6.0 45.6 29.5
Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2001 33.0 15.8 4.8 57.3 29.4

Bruno
10-02-2011, 06:22 PM
I am also curious how one would Calculate PER for a single series or over a small number of games.

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19355577&postcount=197

Bruno
10-02-2011, 06:24 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1

Thanks Knights. Interesting how Hollinger doesn't rank them specifically by PER, descending. He ranks Waltons '78 performance higher than Bryants and Gasols from 2010, even though they both had a higher PER. That's just one example; I wonder what his justification is? Does that elude to Hollinger having wiggle room within his own system? Context?

knightstemplar
10-02-2011, 06:26 PM
Thanks Knights. Interesting how Hollinger doesn't rank them specifically by PER, descending. He ranks Waltons '78 performance higher than Bryants and Gasols from 2010, even though they both had a higher PER. That's just one example; I wonder what his justification is? Does that elude to Hollinger having wiggle room within his own system? Context?

yeah I know, doesn't make sense

knightstemplar
10-02-2011, 06:35 PM
Why isnt Kobe's 2002 Finals in the top 50?
27/6/5 on 62.3 TS%

Billups' 2004 Finals 21/3/5 on 69.6 TS% is 17th Alltime?
Gasol's 2010 finals 19/12/3 on 56 TS% is 26th Alltime?
really?

Underrated Wade
10-02-2011, 06:39 PM
or maybe the mavericks were just too good for them

i took that into consideration but the heat didnt lose by alot except game 6. If lebron averaged 25 pts or more like he should have, miami would have easily won the championship. but i give dallas props cuz im not a bias *****

Underrated Wade
10-02-2011, 06:42 PM
Is Underrated Wade the new account of PinnacleFlash?

nope :) but i do think wade is better than lebron during playoffs. although wade did struggle with bulls he did other things such as defense and rebound. most memorable was his back to back blocks. and his amazing contribution to the combak against bulls game 5. 3 point play, 2 pointer, then a 4 point play. i kinda think he was robbed of mvp in 09 though. lebron played like an allstar coming off the bench in the all star game. not as the BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE.

Soxsnation4life
10-02-2011, 07:39 PM
Wow, those are 2 amazing finals series by him. if he can keep that up and win 2-3 more finals MVPs he can be top 10 for sure. and you guys need to shut the **** up about Lebron. You can't judge a player off of one series. Wade is great but he wouldn't have even sniffed the Finals without Lebron. Where was Wade in the ECF?

Soxsnation4life
10-02-2011, 07:40 PM
Probably better then Jordan at this point. Hopefully he can get on the elite level that Rose is on.

I'm 95% sure you are just trolling or being an idiot so i'm not even going to touch this

Underrated Wade
10-02-2011, 07:56 PM
Probably better then Jordan at this point. Hopefully he can get on the elite level that Rose is on.

i am the biggest wade fan but. he is not better than jordan at this point. MAYBE in the future. and i exaggerate MAYBE. and if wade isnt on rose's level are you saying Rose>Wade>Jordan?
cuz wade is better than rose at this point. and u were probably baked when you said this

Andrew32
10-02-2011, 08:22 PM
Funny that if Shaq shot 70+% from the line in 00 his PER probably would have been 40+.

That is so ridiculous..

BigDiesel32
10-03-2011, 02:08 AM
Funny that if Shaq shot 70+% from the line in 00 his PER probably would have been 40+.

That is so ridiculous..
This is why PER is not a stat that I would take TOO seriously. Reality is that Wade's 2006 finals performance wasn't even top 3 of the decade.

SportsFanatic10
10-03-2011, 02:31 AM
^ lol

BigDiesel32
10-03-2011, 02:33 AM
^ lol

Well maybe I'll take him at #3 but no way is he #1 or #2

#1 and #2 belongs to Shaq in 2000 and Duncan in 2003. Whichever you want to put at first is your choice but those two have to be your #1 and #2. I guess Wade could take the #3 spot but I think Shaq in 2001 has a good argument.

010957
10-03-2011, 03:08 AM
wait, a heat fan is dissing lebron?

:confused:

Yo my twin has been a miami/dwayne wade fan since 2003, and has stayed watching every miami game through the highs and the lows, and he claims that ever since lebron joined miami, it has taken all the fun out if miami heat, like when you find out there is no santa clause, it takes away the excitement. now that miami are a team that should win games, they are not as fun anymore apparently... hence why some heat fans wish lebron never came

gotoHcarolina52
10-03-2011, 03:28 AM
Yo my twin has been a miami/dwayne wade fan since 2003, and has stayed watching every miami game through the highs and the lows, and he claims that ever since lebron joined miami, it has taken all the fun out if miami heat, like when you find out there is no santa clause, it takes away the excitement. now that miami are a team that should win games, they are not as fun anymore apparently... hence why some heat fans wish lebron never came

A large part of me feels this way too.

I just hope the HEAT can get it together and stay together as a team long-term. If this is just a four-year experiment--even if they end up winning a title--I would rather LeBron never came. It would feel cheap. But if they manage to build an actual core that stays together as a team for the next six or eight years, then I would feel great about the move, even if it doesn't lead to championships.

In other words, when we look back at this LeBron-Wade-Bosh experiment twenty years from now, I want to be able to say that the Miami HEAT built a team--a team that battled, struggled, survived, excelled and endured together--and not simply that they rented LeBron for a few years, threw a bunch of superstars together, and hoped that it would lead to instant championships.

Historic teams are those that learn and grow from the struggles and hurdles they overcome as a team along their journey. Few remember the 1997 Florida Marlins. But Jordan's Bulls will never be forgotten.

MTar786
10-03-2011, 03:38 AM
There's always next year.

But those stats alone are the reason I'm confused when people try and put Iverson or Drexler above Wade all time, or insult him with lower ranking guys like Gervin & Maravich. There's really only 3 guys who have a strong claim ahead at his position: Jordan, Kobe, West.

i think u even under rated wade lol.

the only sg's who are better than him all time are jordan and kobe.. wade is better than west too

MTar786
10-03-2011, 03:43 AM
shaq and duncans finals performances far out do wades. but wades performances out do kobe which is EXTREMELY impressive

naps
10-03-2011, 09:57 AM
One of the greatest final performers of all time by probably the most underrated superstar of all time.

JordansBulls
10-03-2011, 11:05 AM
Thanks Knights. Interesting how Hollinger doesn't rank them specifically by PER, descending. He ranks Waltons '78 performance higher than Bryants and Gasols from 2010, even though they both had a higher PER. That's just one example; I wonder what his justification is? Does that elude to Hollinger having wiggle room within his own system? Context?

He bases it on how well the performance was but also how the player did when the underdog. Walton was the underdog clear cut in 1977.

Bruno
10-03-2011, 05:54 PM
He bases it on how well the performance was but also how the player did when the underdog. Walton was the underdog clear cut in 1977.

I can buy into the underdog angle in the sense that The Blazers were the road team for the series. But the series only went six games; three in Phili, three in Portland.

For the season the Blazers were 49-33, the 76ers were 50-32.

SRS:
Blazers- 5.39 (1/22)
76ers- 3.78 (3/22).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/1977.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/1977.html

Not sure if the underdog angle Hollinger used to place Walton ahead superior statical performances hold enough weight for me personally, considering the above information.

Bruno
10-03-2011, 06:02 PM
^The Walton one is just one example. I was just suggesting that despite his tried and tested system of PER, he allows context, intangibles and perspective to adjust the rankings beyond the strict descending order of the PER statistic. He allows himself wiggle room within his own system.

I like that, for the record. Not knocking Hollinger here at all.

Bruno
10-03-2011, 06:05 PM
...my task is to rank the top 50 individual NBA Finals performances since the merger. I've included the player efficiency rating (PER) of every player in the top 50 as a guide, but this wasn't my only measuring stick. Basically, everything counts: competition, defense, clutch play, winning, durability ... it all matters.

-John Hollinger.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1

Don't shoot the messenger. I didn't say it, the stat guru did :laugh2: :hide:

KnicksorBust
10-03-2011, 06:31 PM
This is why PER is not a stat that I would take TOO seriously. Reality is that Wade's 2006 finals performance wasn't even top 3 of the decade.

It's top 3 of all-time. The numbers support it and to see it live was unreal.

Bruno
10-03-2011, 10:14 PM
It's top 3 of all-time. The numbers support it and to see it live was unreal.

Is he saying that it shouldn't be top three because it was against a mediocre defensive team?

nickdymez
10-04-2011, 10:51 AM
A true Heat fan would. A true Heat fan wouldn't diss Wade though.

This right here!

juno10
10-04-2011, 10:55 AM
This right here!

why would a TRUE heat fan diss a star on their team? its like laker fans dissing gasol... o wait.

nickdymez
10-04-2011, 11:10 AM
why would a TRUE heat fan diss a star on their team? its like laker fans dissing gasol... o wait.

lol.. Yea man, TRUE laker fans diss players that dont do what they are supposed to. At the end of the day im a fan of the lakers and not Gasol. Like Yankee fans booing arod, texeria, etc.. If Kobe left the lakers, i would respect him, but hate him when he played the Lakers... Thats that

albertc86
10-04-2011, 11:24 PM
Best Finals Performer "from his position" since MJ himself.

Pretty amazing how hard this guy is slept on.

Has arguably the two best playoff run/performances of the PJ Era for a Guard/Wing. (06,11)

He's not slept on. Personally, I've always thought he was better than LeBron. LeBron is just more of a physical force. With Wade's stats and the cast he had last year it's surprising how he didn't get another ring.

3ballbomber
10-05-2011, 04:39 AM
Best Finals Performer "from his position" since MJ himself.

Pretty amazing how hard this guy is slept on.

Has arguably the two best playoff run/performances of the PJ Era for a Guard/Wing. (06,11)
he's been a dog all his career.

3ballbomber
10-05-2011, 04:42 AM
id take 2011 wade in the finals > 2006 wade in the finals.

his 54.6 fg % is just great for a sg and his assists jumped from 3.8 to 5.2
that's his unselfishness. With Bosh & Lebron Wade indeed sacrificed his game......other wise he would have been @ around the same assist average and 30+ ppg no doubt.................maybe even a ring.

3ballbomber
10-05-2011, 04:42 AM
Best player on the Miami Heat and it's not even close. You guys should check out what his pathetic teammate LeBron did in the 2007 and 2011 NBA Finals. Pretty hilarious and pathetic.
lol don't get the lebron riders riled up

3ballbomber
10-05-2011, 04:44 AM
no...a real heat fan wouldnt diss either... since they are both heat players

but, just because you are a fan doesn't mean your players are beyond critique...
no but a basketball fan would!

3ballbomber
10-05-2011, 04:52 AM
Yo my twin has been a miami/dwayne wade fan since 2003, and has stayed watching every miami game through the highs and the lows, and he claims that ever since lebron joined miami, it has taken all the fun out if miami heat, like when you find out there is no santa clause, it takes away the excitement. now that miami are a team that should win games, they are not as fun anymore apparently... hence why some heat fans wish lebron never came
there are plenty more Miami fans like your brother out there. what was great about Wade was his ability to carry and lead a team when nobody expected it and not only do that but achieve what most still try to acquire. it's not even half as fun watching him or Miami any longer.

3ballbomber
10-05-2011, 04:54 AM
A large part of me feels this way too.

I just hope the HEAT can get it together and stay together as a team long-term. If this is just a four-year experiment--even if they end up winning a title--I would rather LeBron never came. It would feel cheap. But if they manage to build an actual core that stays together as a team for the next six or eight years, then I would feel great about the move, even if it doesn't lead to championships.

In other words, when we look back at this LeBron-Wade-Bosh experiment twenty years from now, I want to be able to say that the Miami HEAT built a team--a team that battled, struggled, survived, excelled and endured together--and not simply that they rented LeBron for a few years, threw a bunch of superstars together, and hoped that it would lead to instant championships.

Historic teams are those that learn and grow from the struggles and hurdles they overcome as a team along their journey. Few remember the 1997 Florida Marlins. But Jordan's Bulls will never be forgotten.
major props to this post! that's what i'm talkin' bout!

juno10
10-05-2011, 08:22 AM
^six posts in a row damn.

JordansBulls
10-05-2011, 11:41 AM
^six posts in a row damn.

:laugh2:

3ballbomber
10-06-2011, 07:22 AM
^six posts in a row damn.
did not know there was a standard in which to post here. i'm fairly certain replying on a forum is a standard practice.

MSleeze
10-06-2011, 12:37 PM
Lebron held wade back in the finals - no doubt about that.

JordansBulls
10-06-2011, 02:06 PM
did not know there was a standard in which to post here. i'm fairly certain replying on a forum is a standard practice.

There isn't but usually posters just break up the arguments in one post with different quotes.