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09-30-2011, 10:40 AM
So those great 1990s Braves teams were doctoring baseballs? Awesome!

Maybe this is fun, b.s. banter. Maybe there’s truth to it. Maybe everyone did it. Maybe only the Braves did. But former Braves pitching coach Leo Mazzone was on SiriusXM Mad Dog Radio with Evan Cohen and former Mets GM Steve Phillips today, and he seemed t admit that the Braves — or at least John Smoltz — put pine tar on the baseballs.

The subject came up on as they were all talking about the topic of cheating and gamesmanship, inspired by how the New York Giants apparently faked some injuries to slow down the St. Louis Rams offense the other day. Mazzone said that kind of stuff is not foreign to baseball and has been going on for many years. But he got pretty specific with an example, and in a way that doesn’t exactly put John Smoltz in the best light:

Leo Mazzone: “Well, I don’t see anything wrong with it myself. I watch football a lot, too, and I know that’s been going on for a while to slow a team down, it stops their momentum. In baseball, as you well know, it’s been going on a long time. I know that in my little ball bag I had firm grip and all kinds of goodies to take care of a baseball to get a little more movement on it. (laughs)”

Evan Cohen: “So that’s why the Braves kicked the Mets *** for all these years?”

Steve Phillips: “Wait a minute! How come our pitchers were pitching with nice bright white shiny baseballs and your guys had pine tar and scuffs all over them?”

Mazzone: “Well, you had pine tar, that’s for sure, because when you were in the postseason and it got called, one time Smoltzy had it on his shoes and I said, ‘John, you can’t keep bending over and touching your shoes all the time. Let’s put it someplace else!’ (laughs)”

That extended into a conversation about bat corking and the kinds of edges hitters try to get, which led Mazzone to play the “oh, everyone was doing it” card. Which makes me think that, no, this was not a bunch of b.s.

So, the Braves got all the calls off the plate and they got away with putting pine tar on the baseballs. What should I, as a man who considers himself both a Braves fan and an ethical person think about this. Hmmmm…


I'm not sure if this was posted.

09-30-2011, 10:49 AM
File Under: If you're not cheating, you're not trying.

Havoc Wreaker
09-30-2011, 10:51 AM
ZomG, but, STEROIDS!!!!!!!!!

09-30-2011, 10:56 AM
Keep them all out of the hall!!!!!

09-30-2011, 11:00 AM
Dey took our jjooobssss!!

09-30-2011, 11:01 AM
this isnt even news cause this is something well known, David cone used to do it , hed tried to get mud on the ball, any advantage he could get to have a better grip and make the ball move

Nick O
09-30-2011, 11:46 AM
big deal.... Doctering balls was a pitchers way of keeping up with the juiced out of their mind batters..... now the pitchers who took steroids and doctered balls..... O.O

09-30-2011, 12:02 PM
I finally understand why Glavine was so good! j/k

Tons of pitchers do stuff like this. Its gamesmanship until you get caught. then it is cheating.

T 980
09-30-2011, 12:03 PM

09-30-2011, 12:11 PM
No possible way they did it their whole careers a camera would have caught something.

09-30-2011, 01:06 PM
I feel better about Kenny Rogers now

09-30-2011, 05:25 PM
lol, as if it somehow compensates for the amazing control of the Braves pitchers.

And I'm fairly certain they are far from the only one's. They were not caught, I don't understand this need to discredit everyone that succeeds in baseball.