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redbird89
09-29-2011, 07:33 PM
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90-72 ||...Cardinals (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=stl)...||...at...||...Phillies (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=phi)...|| 102-60


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Cardinals Matchups MLB.com (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/probable_pitchers/index.jsp?c_id=stl)

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Saturday, October 1, 5:07 PM ET

TV: TBS

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/60x60/stl.gif (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=stl)......http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/60x60/phi.gif (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=phi)
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_346798.jpg----http://mlb.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_136880.jpg
........Kyle Lohse (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=346798)vs. Roy Halladay (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=136880)

188.1.......IP.......233.2
14-8.......W-L.......19-6
3.39......ERA.....2.35
111.........K's.........220
42........BB's........35
71........ER........61
1.17........WHIP........1.04
3-4, 3.43........Vs. Opp. Team........2-1, 2.10
20.1 IP, 1-0, 1.77........Last 3 starts........23.0 IP, 2-1, 1.57



http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/60x60/stl.gifMLB.com says TBA. St. Louis Post-Dispatch says Lohse.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/60x60/phi.gifHalladay had a Cy Young-caliber season, although Clayton Kershaw is likely to win it. But Halladay pitched splendidly on arguably baseball's most dominating rotation in decades. He is the aces of the aces, and don't let anybody tell you differently.

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Cardinals Stats (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/stl/st-louis-cardinals) Phillies Stats (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/phi/philadelphia-phillies)

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/60x60/stl.gif (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=stl)......http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/60x60/phi.gif (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=phi)
Lohse 3.39.......ERA.......Halladay 2.35
Molina .305.......BA.......Victorino .279
Pujols 37......HR.....Howard 33
Pujols 99.........RBI.........Howard 116
Pujols 105........R........Victorino 95
Berkman .959........OPS........Victorino .847
Lohse 14........W........Halladay 19
Carpenter 191........SO........Lee 238
Salas 24........SV........Madson 32
Lohse 1.17.......WHIP.......Hamels 0.99
Motte 18........Holds........Bastardo 17

Season series between the two teams

Cardinals won 6-3
May 16, 2011 Phillies 1, Cardinals 3 Recap
May 17, 2011 Phillies 1, Cardinals 2 Recap
Jun 21, 2011 Phillies 10, Cardinals 2 Recap
Jun 22, 2011 Phillies 4, Cardinals 0 Recap
Jun 23, 2011 Phillies 2, Cardinals 12 Recap
Sep 16, 2011 Cardinals 4, Phillies 2 Recap
Sep 17, 2011 Cardinals 2, Phillies 9 Recap
Sep 18, 2011 Cardinals 5, Phillies 0 Recap
Sep 19, 2011 Cardinals 4, Phillies 3 Recap

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Rafael Furcal (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=279577) Matt Holliday (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=407812) Lance Lynn (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=458681) Adam Wainwright (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=425794)

Shortstop Rafael Furcal is unavailable for today's game with the Astros because of a left hamstring injury and likely would be out for a potential one-game playoff on Thursday vs. the Braves.
General manger John Mozeliak described both as "day-to-day" and said that if this were the regular season, the disabled list would be considered for both of them.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinal-beat/article_ba8e5d36-ea1a-11e0-aff6-001a4bcf6878.html#ixzz1ZJTY21fX)
HOUSTON -- Matt Holliday aggravated the tendon injury in his middle finger on his right hand and is available only on an "emergency basis," Cards manager Tony La Russa said.
General manger John Mozeliak described both as "day-to-day" and said that if this were the regular season, the disabled list would be considered for both of them.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinal-beat/article_ba8e5d36-ea1a-11e0-aff6-001a4bcf6878.html#ixzz1ZJTy2Bgt)
Lynn and Adam Wainwright took turns throwing with purpose Monday afternoon at Minute Maid Park. But each rehabilitating pitcher insisted his performance was part of a process, not part of a long-shot postseason contingency.
Lynn, on the 60-day disabled list because of an oblique strain suffered Aug. 9, threw about 20 pitches with maximum effort to five hitters. Lynn experienced no discomfort during the session and admitted excitement about entering the offseason without restriction. That does not equate to availability for the postseason.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_55a100dd-cc35-58ef-97b4-73cf454f8cfb.html#ixzz1ZJUIGdMu)
Lynn and Adam Wainwright took turns throwing with purpose Monday afternoon at Minute Maid Park. But each rehabilitating pitcher insisted his performance was part of a process, not part of a long-shot postseason contingency.
Wainwright threw about 40 pitches at what he estimated to be 75 percent effort during a side session. Despite his previous suggestions that he may try to lobby for a postseason role, Wainwright acknowledged that he doesn't see that happening.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_55a100dd-cc35-58ef-97b4-73cf454f8cfb.html#ixzz1ZJUIGdMu)
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Shane Victorino (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=425664) Ryan Howard (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=429667) Jose Contreras (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=425747)


Charlie Manuel fell one man short of putting his ideal lineup on the field for the fourth straight game.
Shane Victorino got Wednesday’s regular-season finale off thanks to some mild soreness in his back, Manuel said.
“Vic’s fine,” Manuel said.
Courier Post Online (http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20110929/SPORTS01/309290034/Victorino-gets-rest-finale?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports)
ATLANTA -- Phillies first baseman Ryan Howard was hobbling as he ran the bases Monday night at Turner Field.
Expect to see more of that the remainder of the season.
Howard is battling foot problems. He had a cortisone injection into his left ankle last week to treat bursitis. He said that problem is gone, but his left heel is bothering him. The slugger said it could be related. He also has had some problems with his right big toe.
"They're all separate, but equal," he said.
Howard said he will have to play through the discomfort. He will only get a chance to heal after the season.
MLB.com (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110927&content_id=25276752&notebook_id=25288374&vkey=notebook_phi&c_id=phi)
Jose Contreras underwent season ending surgery yesterday. According to Matt Gelb of the Philadelphia Inquirer, Contreras had his elbow cleaned out and flexor tendon repaired during the procedure.
Contreras hit the disabled list in the middle of June with a strained right forearm, but it was later discovered that the 39 year old was dealing with a more serious arm problem.
The Phillies determined last week that Contreras would undergo the season ending procedure. Philadelphia hopes the surgery will alleviate the elbow pain Contreras has been experiencing.
While Philadelphia originally expected Contreras to be ready to go next spring, the club doesn’t sound as sure following surgery. Phillies GM Ruben Amaro told Gelb that he wasn’t sure if Contreras would be back by the time next season began.
Call to the Pen (http://calltothepen.com/2011/09/04/jose-contreras-undergoes-season-ending-surgery/)
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This is my first postseason game thread. Hopefully it works.

1903
09-29-2011, 07:34 PM
Lohse throws a perfect game.

Fly
09-29-2011, 07:35 PM
I think we stand a good chance. We're on fire, and we've given the Phils some problems this year.

metsfaninSTL
09-29-2011, 07:52 PM
cards win in 5

MooseWithFleas
09-29-2011, 07:56 PM
I'm hearing Garcia to pitch game 4? He gives us a ton of trouble, so I'm surprised he isn't starting game 2 (to give him a shot at starting game 5). Phils should take this series, but anything can happen in a 5 game series. They whooped us a couple weeks ago.

thefeckcampaign
09-29-2011, 08:02 PM
I would have rathered faced the Braves.

Havoc Wreaker
09-29-2011, 08:04 PM
I would have rathered faced the Braves.
We would've been facing the Dbacks, and I would rather face them too.

That said, barring any type of horrible happening, the Phillies win in 4. Garcia dismantles us.

More-Than-Most
09-29-2011, 08:05 PM
My heart says the Phillies in 4 but my head says the cards in 5. I am glad we knocked the braves out but have a really bad feeling about playing the cards.

MooseWithFleas
09-29-2011, 08:17 PM
Optimism MTM! Doc hasn't been great of late, but he always seems to come up big when it counts.

More-Than-Most
09-29-2011, 08:23 PM
Optimism MTM! Doc hasn't been great of late, but he always seems to come up big when it counts.

Nono... You will get the up most optimism from me when the series starts. I am just thinking about it from a neutral stand point right now... I just don't like how we match up with them.

1903
09-29-2011, 08:24 PM
Calling the sweep. Phillies in 3.

TO Rapz
09-29-2011, 08:44 PM
Im going with Phils in 4.

Nick O
09-29-2011, 09:21 PM
Im going with Phils in 4.

this...:hi5:

MU and UW Fan
09-29-2011, 10:19 PM
Phillies should win the series, but I don't think they will. Cards in 5. NLCS will be a NL-Central matchup between the Brewers and Cards.

Jeffy25
09-29-2011, 10:47 PM
Good job Redbird, you did a better job than I could :)


So happy we made the playoffs!

Jeffy25
09-29-2011, 10:47 PM
Halladay no-hitter again?

djmar
09-29-2011, 11:06 PM
Halladay no-hitter again?

nope.....perfect game :D

djmar
09-29-2011, 11:08 PM
Good job Redbird, you did a better job than I could :)


So happy we made the playoffs!

I'm hoping that is the mentality of your team too

DwayneMVPwade
09-29-2011, 11:28 PM
philllies in 4

redbird89
09-29-2011, 11:40 PM
Good job Redbird, you did a better job than I could :)


So happy we made the playoffs!

Thanks.

I had some help figuring out how to put it together.

sixer04fan
09-29-2011, 11:59 PM
Sweep. Phillies roll through. Won't even be close.

Young2Kinsler
09-30-2011, 12:09 AM
Phillies in 4, maybe 3

cardsfan88
09-30-2011, 12:34 AM
cards in 5 im guessing, but wouldnt be surprised by phils in 4 or 5. we had a pretty good history against the phils this season, and i believe won against every one of the starters, but this is do or die, so who knows.

AjBurnett
09-30-2011, 12:47 AM
Phillies in 3. Get the brooms ready

Poughkeepsie
09-30-2011, 01:52 AM
I'm hearing Garcia to pitch game 4? He gives us a ton of trouble, so I'm surprised he isn't starting game 2 (to give him a shot at starting game 5).

Seriously, what the hell is La Russa thinking? I really thought the Cards had a chance at an upset until I saw that.

Jeffy25
09-30-2011, 03:31 AM
Garcia is pitching vs Lee in Game 2

Lohse vs Halladay in Game 1

Carpenter vs Hamels in Game 1

Carpenter is also supposed to pitch a Game 5 if there is one.

yaswaggin
09-30-2011, 08:22 AM
phillies in 4

i predict 3 out of the 4 games will be close, very close, down to the wire

go phils

DaSox_05
09-30-2011, 08:42 AM
This will probably be the best series out of them all. The Cardinals offense is just so darn good. Pujols, Berkman, Holliday, Furcal, Molina, Freese. I know the Philles offense is good as well. But St. Louis has enough fire power in their lineup to keep up with the Phillies. BUT in the end the Phillies pitching is to good. Phillies in 5.

Philipino
09-30-2011, 09:44 AM
Very good game thread. I have confidence in the Phillies. They are the best team in baseball and they know how to turn it on when they need to. I am sure they learned from their spanking in the NLCS last season. I see Phils in 3.

sixer04fan
09-30-2011, 09:54 AM
Lohse vs Halladay in Game 1

Carpenter vs Hamels in Game 1

That's not accurate...

thefeckcampaign
09-30-2011, 10:11 AM
We would've been facing the Dbacks, and I would rather face them too.

That said, barring any type of horrible happening, the Phillies win in 4. Garcia dismantles us.That's sort of what I meant. :)

I heard 2 of the Cardinals pitchers have .5 ERA's in their last 4 starts against the Phils. That is just wicked.

Havoc Wreaker
09-30-2011, 10:28 AM
Garcia is pitching vs Lee in Game 2

Lohse vs Halladay in Game 1

Carpenter vs Hamels in Game 1

Carpenter is also supposed to pitch a Game 5 if there is one.
I think someone is still drunk :laugh2:

Pinstripe pride
09-30-2011, 10:54 AM
phillies sweep

TrueYankee
09-30-2011, 11:37 AM
Im calling for Phillies sweep. The Cardinals have good momentum heading into this series though after making a great September come back down 8 and a half games in the wild card. Good luck to both teams, but I have Phillies in 3

Dcup
09-30-2011, 11:43 AM
Holliday out for game 1, Lohse starting game 1 against the other Halladay...Phillies in 4. St. Louis' pitching staff won't hold up.

LaRussa to the White Sox in two weeks.

xSolidx
09-30-2011, 11:57 AM
Phillies in 3. Hallady-Lee-Hamels. Thats it.

redbird89
09-30-2011, 01:01 PM
Garcia is pitching vs Lee in Game 2

Lohse vs Halladay in Game 1

Carpenter vs Hamels in Game 1

Carpenter is also supposed to pitch a Game 5 if there is one.

Where did you get this?

Yesterday Bernie Miklasz said Lohse in game one, Jackson in game two, Carp game three, and Garcia game four. He didn't say who is doing game five yet.

Maybe Tony has changed it since then, but I trust the Post-Dispatch more than ESPN or MLB.com since the Post-Dispatch is closer to the situation.

redbird89
09-30-2011, 01:05 PM
That's sort of what I meant. :)

I heard 2 of the Cardinals pitchers have .5 ERA's in their last 4 starts against the Phils. That is just wicked.

Cardinals took 6 games out of nine this season from the Phillies, and the last time they faced each other the Cardinals took three out of four from the Phillies in Philly.

I can't guarantee anything, but if the season series is any indicator, this likely will not be a sweep for the Phillies. I think people are counting the Cardinals out too fast. La Russa and the Cardinals feed off of this negative media, anyway.

redbird89
09-30-2011, 01:12 PM
I won't quote the whole article, but this is very insightful into the pitching stats and everything.


If in fact the Cardinals are going to start Edwin Jackson in Game 2 of the NLDS at Philadelphia, it's an interesting decision by manager Tony La Russa. And obviously the skipper has given us much to discuss, which is always fun. Is it the right call to go with E-Jax instead of Jaime Garcia in Game 2? Garcia has been fabulous against the Phillies this season, and last, with an 0.96 ERA in four starts. Two of the starts were in South Philly, a tough environment for any visiting pitcher. And one of the road starts came on Sept. 16 in Philly; Garcia went 7 innings and allowed only 5 hits and an earned run. In his two starts vs. the Phillies this season, Garcia allowed one earned run in 15 IP.

* Moreover, Garcia is a groundball pitcher, which is always an asset in the Phillies' yard. On the other hand, Garcia was shaky at Houston on Monday night in a big game, and this this would be his first postseason start, so the stakes are even higher now. And Garcia has a 4.61 ERA on the road compared to a 2.55 ERA at home in 2011.

Jackson hasn't started a postseason game in his career, pitching only a few innings of relief in the playoffs. And Jackson, along with announced Game 1 starter Kyle Lohse, has the highest fly-ball rate among the STL starters.

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/bernie-miklasz/article_67c539e6-eb0d-11e0-b1fb-0019bb30f31a.html#ixzz1ZSNBvJIF

Here are some expert predictions:

Wednesday night was a blast for Cardinal Nation. The final day of the season brought unprecedented drama in Major League Baseball.

The Cards had a good time celebrating, But now they are back to work, preparing for their daunting National League Division Series against the heavily-favored Phillies.

Here is how some national and Philadelphia-based scribes see the matchup:

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/article_6f7de010-eb63-11e0-85c8-0019bb30f31a.html#ixzz1ZSQ5L4Bd

To me, the Cardinals and Phillies have different strengths. The Phillies have phenomenal pitching and good offense, whereas the Cardinals have fantastic offense and good pitching. So we'll have to see how that matches up.


In McGwire's second season as hitting coach the Cardinals led the National League with a .273 average, a .341 on-base percentage and a .766 OPS. The Cardinals scored an NL-high 762 runs, 27 more than any other team in the league.

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_bac086b9-1d36-5d48-a72f-d125aa69fa69.html#ixzz1ZSQpP8y6

Here's some of the offensive and defensive rankings, by the way.


Cardinals Stats (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/stl/st-louis-cardinals) Phillies Stats (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/phi/philadelphia-phillies)

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762, 5th.......Runs.......713, 13th
.273, 5th.......BA........253, 16th
.341, 3rd......OBP......323, 11th
.425, 6th.........SLG%..........395, 17th
3.74, 12th........ERA........3.02, 1st
86, 15th........Quality Starts........108, 1st
1.31, 15th........WHIP........1.17, 1st
.261, 20th........BAA.........240, 3rd

TheRuckus
09-30-2011, 02:36 PM
As I said in the Phillies forum, I feel like either the Phillies sweep or they win in 5.

Should be a great series regardless. Congratulations to the Cardinals for squeaking in (you're welcome, by the way :p) but hopefully all that effort will only result in your season lasting a week longer.

Tkais9009
09-30-2011, 02:45 PM
cards in 5 is what im hoping... but probably phillies in 5

redbird89
09-30-2011, 02:55 PM
Tony is changing things again


BJRains B.J. Rains
La Russa says Chris Carpenter will start on three days rest on Sunday night in Game 2. Garcia at Busch in Game 3.


BJRains B.J. Rains
Westbrook and Jackson will both be on the playoff roster and available in the bullpen the first two games, per La Russa.

http://twitter.com/#!/BJRains

Twitchy
09-30-2011, 03:24 PM
The Cesar quote by Halladay was awesome. Hope the Phils win tonight.

redbird89
09-30-2011, 04:28 PM
Some more analysis

USA Today Postseason Preview
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/story/2011-09-29/postseason-preview/50611552/1

Playoff Rosters: Measuring Which Teams Built From Within
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-pulse/2011/2612417.html

Video Preview
http://youtu.be/Puefrm58eZc

MLB Playoffs 2011: Power Ranking the Experience of All 8 Postseason Teams
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/871886-mlb-playoffs-2011-power-ranking-the-experience-of-all-8-postseason-teams

By the way, I won't be online tomorrow much. I'm going to the Blues Fanfest and I am going to a Blues game there. So I'm leaving early in the morning and I won't get home until 7-8 tomorrow night. So if there are any more updates tomorrow I won't be on to update my matchups or anything. I doubt there will be, though. You guys can get along just fine without my input.

carson005
09-30-2011, 04:58 PM
The Phils rotation is so scary because there's just no rest, I'm assuming in a 5 game series the Cards will see Roy and Lee twice? That's nuts.

BigLee53
09-30-2011, 06:37 PM
Halladay is the ace of the aces.
Lee is a post season monster.
Hamels, former WS MVP.
throw Oswalt in the mix and i like our chances.

Phillies in 4.

xxplayerxx23
09-30-2011, 07:59 PM
Sweep. Phillies roll through. Won't even be close.

I think you enjoy messing with people this is going to be a close series, Philles in 5

xxplayerxx23
09-30-2011, 08:01 PM
Pujols hoilday berkman will give philles a little trouble but that pitching is crazy Philles in 5 Pence was a huge trade without him Lineup is a bit of a ?

redbird89
09-30-2011, 08:57 PM
The Phils rotation is so scary because there's just no rest, I'm assuming in a 5 game series the Cards will see Roy and Lee twice? That's nuts.

The Phillies might see Carp twice, though.

There's also this:


Here is what the Cardinals rotation has done against the Phillies this year.

Kyle Loshe
15.33 IP, 3 R, 1.76 ERA

Edwin Jackson
0 IP, 0 R, N/A ERA

Chris Carpenter
15 IP, 1 R, 0.60 ERA

Jamie Garcia
15 IP, 1 R, 0.60 ERA

Total
45.33 IP, 5 R, 0.99 ERA

By contrast, here is what the Phillies rotation has done against the Cardinals.

Roy Halladay
14 IP, 5 R, 3.21 ERA

Cliff Lee
15.33 IP, 3 R, 1.76 ER

Cole Hamels
7 IP, 4 R, 5.14 ERA

Roy Oswalt
14 IP, 5 R, 3.21 ERA

Total: 50.33 IP, 17 R, 3.04 ERA

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/872492-5-numbers-showing-the-st-louis-cardinals-could-upset-the-philadelphia-phillies/page/2

Sure, the Cardinals and Phillies only faced each other nine games, but if the Cardinals could beat the Phillies 6 out of 9 times and have a numbers like that, then it's not far fetched to think the Cardinals could win this series. The Phillies have dominant pitching, but the Cardinals pitching isn't terrible. The Cardinals also have a better offense than the Phillies.

redbird89
10-01-2011, 03:50 AM
Looks like the Cardinals roster is mostly finalized.


PHILADELPHIA -- Shortstop Rafael Furcal and Matt Holliday both passed significant tests this afternoon at Citizens Bank Park and are expected to be on the NLDS active roster when the Cardinals submit it to Major League Baseball on Saturday morning.

The Cardinals have some time to make the decision, but general manager John Mozeliak said it's almost a lock that Furcal (hamstring) will be on it and that Holliday (palm injury) is highly likely for the roster.


Mozeliak said it is "highly unlikely" that reliever Kyle McClellan will be on the roster for the first round of the playoffs. McClellan has been slowed recently by a "dead arm."

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinal-beat/article_993a6f1a-ebb1-11e0-a4fc-0019bb30f31a.html#ixzz1ZVwYxbla

TAC91
10-01-2011, 10:18 AM
As bad as I want the Cardinals to beat the Phillies, I gotta be straight up here and say Phillies win in 4.

redbird89
10-01-2011, 01:28 PM
Cardinals lineup is Furcal, Craig, Pujols, Berkman, Freese, Molina, Schumaker, Jay, and Lohse.

BigLee53
10-01-2011, 01:41 PM
The Phillies might see Carp twice, though.

There's also this:



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/872492-5-numbers-showing-the-st-louis-cardinals-could-upset-the-philadelphia-phillies/page/2

Sure, the Cardinals and Phillies only faced each other nine games, but if the Cardinals could beat the Phillies 6 out of 9 times and have a numbers like that, then it's not far fetched to think the Cardinals could win this series. The Phillies have dominant pitching, but the Cardinals pitching isn't terrible. The Cardinals also have a better offense than the Phillies.


never compare regular season numbers in the post season.

BroadStBullies
10-01-2011, 01:46 PM
As bad as I want the Cardinals to beat the Phillies, I gotta be straight up here and say Phillies win in 4.

You should remove your sig, it's really offensive.

revsolly
10-01-2011, 02:32 PM
I'm hearing Garcia to pitch game 4? He gives us a ton of trouble, so I'm surprised he isn't starting game 2 (to give him a shot at starting game 5). Phils should take this series, but anything can happen in a 5 game series. They whooped us a couple weeks ago.

They want Garcia pitching at home.

TheRuckus
10-01-2011, 03:01 PM
I remember when Furcal made three errors in one inning in the '08 NLCS against us. I hope he remembers it, too. :)

Fly
10-01-2011, 03:07 PM
Let's go Cards! :clap:
Glad that's Furcal's back in the lineup

Dr.Philly
10-01-2011, 04:58 PM
I'll be in the Phillies forum for this one. You guys can join us if you want....

gocubs2118
10-01-2011, 05:01 PM
Dick Stockton? Come the **** on TBS, you have to find someone better.

sacgiants1213
10-01-2011, 05:03 PM
I'm expecting a lot of errahs!

Dr.Philly
10-01-2011, 05:04 PM
I'm expecting a lot of errahs!

I remember....


:laugh:

Qwertys
10-01-2011, 05:05 PM
This should be a good series, hoping for the Cards but the Phillies will probably win but you never know the cards are really hot right now.

Qwertys
10-01-2011, 05:07 PM
I'm expecting a lot of errahs!

I remember SanCHEZ, really annoying.

TAC91
10-01-2011, 05:07 PM
You should remove your sig, it's really offensive.

Nah, I think I'll keep it as it is.

Qwertys
10-01-2011, 05:09 PM
There goes the no no...

keymax
10-01-2011, 05:13 PM
Wow, that didn't take long...

gocubs2118
10-01-2011, 05:13 PM
Wow, that was a bomb.

redbird89
10-01-2011, 05:14 PM
Lance Berkman! Yes!

Qwertys
10-01-2011, 05:14 PM
Hahahaha what a shot nice job berkman

VRP723
10-01-2011, 05:14 PM
Hahahaha yes, **** the Phillies

sacgiants1213
10-01-2011, 05:14 PM
Dick Stockton ruined the epicness of that 3 run blast.

Fly
10-01-2011, 05:14 PM
Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerkmaaaaan! !!!

1903
10-01-2011, 05:15 PM
Berkman trying to ruin my prediction.

Qwertys
10-01-2011, 05:16 PM
Hahahaha yes, **** the Phillies

Amen **** the Phillies

Fly
10-01-2011, 05:16 PM
Interesting - Doc has given up 3 home runs to left handers in Citizen Bank Park this season, all of them to Lance Berkman

redbird89
10-01-2011, 05:17 PM
Good start. Let's hope the starting pitching holds up.

theproof
10-01-2011, 05:18 PM
Cards doing exactly what they need to do. Halladay looks a little off today

Jeffy25
10-01-2011, 05:18 PM
hell to the yeah, exact same thing that happened Sept 19th. where Berkman homered batting cleanup against Halladay.

Halladay vs Lohse, Lohse has pitched well against the Phillies twice this year.

Jeffy25
10-01-2011, 05:19 PM
Interesting - Doc has given up 3 home runs to left handers in Citizen Bank Park this season, all of them to Lance Berkman

lol

Dr Cyanide 28
10-01-2011, 05:21 PM
Interesting - Doc has given up 3 home runs to left handers in Citizen Bank Park this season, all of them to Lance Berkman

thats nuts

TAC91
10-01-2011, 05:23 PM
Halolday

GoatMilk
10-01-2011, 05:26 PM
cmon Howard
supposed to be an errrrah

Fly
10-01-2011, 05:26 PM
let's go cards :clap:

Fly
10-01-2011, 05:27 PM
I'm likin' the Berkman mullet! :rock:

koldjerky
10-01-2011, 05:28 PM
FWIW, Halladay's worst inning of 2011 has been the 1st inning. Let's just hope he settles down and the Phillies can learn to hit a ball.

Bob Loblaw
10-01-2011, 05:56 PM
Phillies offence looks brutal

gocubs2118
10-01-2011, 06:04 PM
The first errah leads to a run.

Dr Cyanide 28
10-01-2011, 06:04 PM
choked that one freese

Fly
10-01-2011, 06:04 PM
Oh my gosh David :facepalm: x2000

"Ace"ves
10-01-2011, 06:21 PM
Imagine if the Cards had Wainwright.... ahhh

Victory Faust
10-01-2011, 06:27 PM
Phils win in walkoff fashion. I'm calling it.

TheRuckus
10-01-2011, 06:40 PM
Jesus, that was crushed.

Pujolsfan91
10-01-2011, 06:40 PM
..................

More-Than-Most
10-01-2011, 06:40 PM
****ing launched...Shot out of a cannon and carushed

gotoHcarolina52
10-01-2011, 06:41 PM
I love postseason baseball.

NaccAttack11
10-01-2011, 06:42 PM
How gross is it that Howard spat in his hands after every pitch than just high-five'd almost the whole team!

Fly
10-01-2011, 06:42 PM
get lohse out of there..

gotoHcarolina52
10-01-2011, 06:43 PM
Holy crap. WOW.

Bob Loblaw
10-01-2011, 06:43 PM
Ibanez going deep now wow

More-Than-Most
10-01-2011, 06:44 PM
Wow what an explosion of power

Pujolsfan91
10-01-2011, 06:45 PM
And there goes the ballgame, just like that... so ****ing dumb.

Fly
10-01-2011, 06:46 PM
And there goes the ballgame, just like that... so ****ing dumb.

i don't want la russa.

gotoHcarolina52
10-01-2011, 06:46 PM
And there goes the ballgame, just like that... so ****ing dumb.

This game is far from over.

"Ace"ves
10-01-2011, 06:47 PM
take that Howard haters

redbird89
10-01-2011, 06:47 PM
The Cards act like they don't want to win very badly. Eugh.

BigLee53
10-01-2011, 06:48 PM
just laid down the law. god i love our fans. <3

iggypop123
10-01-2011, 06:48 PM
2 hanging pitches decide the game. oh well. hopefully the rays game is conpetetive. so far no good games nothing close.

gotoHcarolina52
10-01-2011, 06:51 PM
2 hanging pitches decide the game. oh well. hopefully the rays game is conpetetive. so far no good games nothing close.

and still plenty of rain in the Bronx :sigh:

koldjerky
10-01-2011, 06:51 PM
Nice little cushion.

koldjerky
10-01-2011, 06:52 PM
take that Howard haters

So when he inevitably strikes out on a pitch low and away we're going to be allowed to say "Take that Howard lovers?"

otatop
10-01-2011, 07:03 PM
This game is far from over.
It's basically over unless somehow Halladay falls apart in the 8th.

2 hanging pitches decide the game. oh well. hopefully the rays game is conpetetive. so far no good games nothing close.
The first few innings of the D'backs-Brewers were kind of interesting.

"Ace"ves
10-01-2011, 07:04 PM
So when he inevitably strikes out on a pitch low and away we're going to be allowed to say "Take that Howard lovers?"

you're allowed to say w/e you want

but to be fair, he has to strikeout a handful of times to negate what he produced with that HR. ive never heard of anyone who was a bad player for hitting a homerun and then striking out his next at bat

iggypop123
10-01-2011, 07:04 PM
the game is truly over now. even halladay is getting hits.

Havoc Wreaker
10-01-2011, 07:09 PM
take that Howard haters
I still hate him

redbird89
10-01-2011, 07:15 PM
This game is like a slow motion car wreck.

gotoHcarolina52
10-01-2011, 07:17 PM
It's ova

koldjerky
10-01-2011, 07:18 PM
you're allowed to say w/e you want

but to be fair, he has to strikeout a handful of times to negate what he produced with that HR. ive never heard of anyone who was a bad player for hitting a homerun and then striking out his next at bat

So this one homerun negates all his overpaid production? That was my point.

Havoc Wreaker
10-01-2011, 07:19 PM
oops

keymax
10-01-2011, 07:23 PM
Well this one is over, might as well watch college football

c0rbz
10-01-2011, 07:37 PM
That sucks

"Ace"ves
10-01-2011, 07:37 PM
So this one homerun negates all his overpaid production? That was my point.

so you hate him cause he's overpaid? That's not really fair. Im sure you'd take the money too if you were offered it.

my point was that Howard can produce in important situations, something that saber nerds have been whining about all season. stats don't equal ability to predict future production

c0rbz
10-01-2011, 07:37 PM
3-0 Then they blow it :(

dodgerdave
10-01-2011, 07:46 PM
If only Wainwright was healthy. :(

Fred
10-01-2011, 07:49 PM
My God...you Phillies fans in here complaining about Howard? wtf?


oh, and dodgerdave, that would just be another righty to pound...

More-Than-Most
10-01-2011, 07:51 PM
so you hate him cause he's overpaid? That's not really fair. Im sure you'd take the money too if you were offered it.

my point was that Howard can produce in important situations, something that saber nerds have been whining about all season. stats don't equal ability to predict future production

I am not sure he hates him... He hates his contract and he hates the way people praise him for the rbi but negate all the holes in his game. He hits home runs and knocks in rbi but what about hitting for average? Or playing defense? Or running the bases? He doesn't do any of these things well while striking out a ton. He also has poor plate discipline... He is a good hitter but not great or elite in any way shape or form and that is why some phillie fans have issues with him.

2009mvp
10-01-2011, 07:55 PM
Oh Doc, you are so awesome. One bad pitch and he then proceeds to shred the Cards for the next 7 innings.

xxplayerxx23
10-01-2011, 07:56 PM
It looked good into the 6th I knew loshe wasnt great

"Ace"ves
10-01-2011, 07:59 PM
I am not sure he hates him... He hates his contract and he hates the way people praise him for the rbi but negate all the holes in his game.

That's just it though... Im not claiming he has no holes and im not calling him Pujols

I was simply saying "take that Howard haters" cause there is wayy too much hate on Howard. Before there was too much love for his HR, now its all hate

More-Than-Most
10-01-2011, 08:02 PM
That's just it though... Im not claiming he has no holes and im not calling him Pujols

I was simply saying "take that Howard haters" cause there is wayy too much hate on Howard. Before there was too much love for his HR, now its all hate

The hate comes because of all the people that overrate him... I don't love or hate him but I would trade him in a heart beat to get out of his contract.

koldjerky
10-01-2011, 08:03 PM
so you hate him cause he's overpaid? That's not really fair. Im sure you'd take the money too if you were offered it.

my point was that Howard can produce in important situations, something that saber nerds have been whining about all season. stats don't equal ability to predict future production

The problem is people think saber guys thinks he sucks but in reality we mostly think he's not a top 10 1B. That doesn't mean he sucks, but add in his contract and the 'hate' for him just grows.

I just hate people that shove in others' faces when he does something good but will cower when he goes 0-4 in plenty of games. 1 go ahead homerun does not catapult him into the top 10 of 1B in which it seems you guys get offended about.

More-Than-Most
10-01-2011, 08:06 PM
good win. Enter the Lee tomorrow

Havoc Wreaker
10-01-2011, 08:09 PM
:clap: Great win. Hopefully the offense can keep producing like this, if it does, there's no team that can match up with the Phillies. Tomorrow should be a great pitcher's duel!

1903
10-01-2011, 08:10 PM
:clap: Great win. Hopefully the offense can keep producing like this, if it does, there's no team that can match up with the Phillies. Tomorrow should be a great pitcher's duel!

Phillies score 11 and Yankees counter with 12 ;).

koldjerky
10-01-2011, 08:11 PM
The hate comes because of all the people that overrate him... I don't love or hate him but I would trade him in a heart beat to get out of his contract.

This. I'd agree to an extent, Ace. I don't think there's hate I just think people still vastly overrate him and then will shove it in others' faces when he does something well.

Havoc Wreaker
10-01-2011, 08:15 PM
Phillies score 11 and Yankees counter with 12 ;).
Not against Halladay,Lee,Hamels,Oswalt

1903
10-01-2011, 08:16 PM
Not against Halladay,Lee,Hamels,Oswalt

Only one way to find out.

"Ace"ves
10-01-2011, 08:23 PM
The hate comes because of all the people that overrate him... I don't love or hate him but I would trade him in a heart beat to get out of his contract.

Right, but im not one of those people, i don't overrate him. I just respect what he does on the field.


The problem is people think saber guys thinks he sucks but in reality we mostly think he's not a top 10 1B. That doesn't mean he sucks, but add in his contract and the 'hate' for him just grows.

I just hate people that shove in others' faces when he does something good but will cower when he goes 0-4 in plenty of games. 1 go ahead homerun does not catapult him into the top 10 of 1B in which it seems you guys get offended about.

There was a thread recently about Howard's ability.... lots of saber guys crappin on him.

Im not shoving anything in someone's face, i said "take that Howard haters". Cause if you're being a hater, then you deserve to hear about how Howard helped his team win.... so the haters can ease up. And what do u mean cower? its more like going 0-4 is not newsworthy cause it happens to all ball players on a normal basis.... who's gonna make a comment about that? That's like be posting Furcal's line for today, it's highly irrelevant.

How do you analyze me through one post? Ease up


This. I'd agree to an extent, Ace. I don't think there's hate I just think people still vastly overrate him and then will shove it in others' faces when he does something well.

No, there is definite hate... a guy posted a page ago that he "still hates Howard". Even if he is kidding, there are haters out there. Once again with "vastly overrating him" and "shoving in others' faces". You are deciding this is me from one post? I think you're analyzing skills of me are a bit "overrated" (sorry, but there is no way you understand my point of view on Howard from one post).

And its not in anyone's face. its only in your face if you make it in your face. I wouldn't be bothered if someone posted Howard going 0-4 with 4Ks... cause i dont overrate him

"Ace"ves
10-01-2011, 08:23 PM
Not against Halladay,Lee,Hamels,Oswalt

Oswalt maybe

Nomah
10-01-2011, 08:31 PM
^ This.

Havoc Wreaker
10-01-2011, 08:37 PM
Only one way to find out.
You are right.

redbird89
10-01-2011, 08:37 PM
At least 11-6 doesn't sound as bad as 11-3. We know if we get to the bullpen we can score against them. The series may feel hopeless, but it's not.

derekreed33
10-01-2011, 08:41 PM
At least 11-6 doesn't sound as bad as 11-3. We know if we get to the bullpen we can score against them. The series may feel hopeless, but it's not.

You only saw Madson and Stutes. Stutes was put in because we had a huge lead. You got runs on Madson because Stutes left him in a bad spot with two runners on.

TheRuckus
10-01-2011, 08:42 PM
At least 11-6 doesn't sound as bad as 11-3. We know if we get to the bullpen we can score against them. The series may feel hopeless, but it's not.

Just for the record, Stutes is probably our weakest link at this point. He's a rookie, so he's never pitched this late into the year, and it's shown over the last six weeks or so. He also looked legitimately jittery on the mound.

If there's a weak spot on the Phillies team, it's the middle relief, but I wouldn't take all that much encouragement from hitting Stutes around if I were a Cards fan.

You guys are certainly not out of it. Garcia has dominated us every time we've faced him, and Carpenter is always capable of going out and tossing a gem.

Havoc Wreaker
10-01-2011, 08:53 PM
No, there is definite hate... a guy posted a page ago that he "still hates Howard". Even if he is kidding, there are haters out there. Once again with "vastly overrating him" and "shoving in others' faces". You are deciding this is me from one post? I think you're analyzing skills of me are a bit "overrated" (sorry, but there is no way you understand my point of view on Howard from one post).


It was me who posted it and maybe I used the wrong word. It's not so much that I hate him, it's just that I don't like him very much. He is strong and talented, that's for sure, but he is frustrating as hell. If he only learned a little bit of patience at the plate, he would be awesome.

Also, his defense, tonight he made a nice diving play, everyone will see that, but the guy going from 1st to 2nd was like 3 feet away from him, and he didn't make the throw to second. That could've resulted in a run.

TheRuckus
10-01-2011, 09:32 PM
I was actually glad he took the sure out. Howard's throws to second are always an adventure.

iggypop123
10-01-2011, 09:57 PM
strange how this game is. lohse had a killer changeup and then all of a sudden he lost it. fatigue whatever it was he threw an awful one to howard. and howard was sitting on it. he knew that was his only pitch. boy did he not miss a gift.

redbird89
10-01-2011, 09:57 PM
The best thing the Cardinals can do is to not dwell on this loss and move on. Tomorrow if they can get to Lee early and find some way to knock him out, then maybe they get the bullpen, which might not be terrible, but probably isn't as good as that starting rotation. Hopefully Carp is okay on three days' rest.

Best thing the Cardinals players can do is to start over tomorrow. In 1982 they lost the first game of the World Series 10-0 and then won the World Series in seven games. So in a series a comeback is always possible.

"Ace"ves
10-01-2011, 10:00 PM
It was me who posted it and maybe I used the wrong word. It's not so much that I hate him, it's just that I don't like him very much. He is strong and talented, that's for sure, but he is frustrating as hell. If he only learned a little bit of patience at the plate, he would be awesome.

Also, his defense, tonight he made a nice diving play, everyone will see that, but the guy going from 1st to 2nd was like 3 feet away from him, and he didn't make the throw to second. That could've resulted in a run.

well i guess i used the wrong word too

i meant "Take that don't like Howard very much"

jk, but seriously that was for the people who hate him, cause he's not so bad... just expected to be amazing for the $$... ive come to accept that $$ doesn't equal talent. Some people still expect talent from big contracts.

please see "zito, soriano, zambrano, a-rod, burnett, lackey"

thefeckcampaign
10-01-2011, 10:04 PM
Howard baby!

koldjerky
10-01-2011, 10:41 PM
Right, but im not one of those people, i don't overrate him. I just respect what he does on the field.



There was a thread recently about Howard's ability.... lots of saber guys crappin on him.

Im not shoving anything in someone's face, i said "take that Howard haters". Cause if you're being a hater, then you deserve to hear about how Howard helped his team win.... so the haters can ease up. And what do u mean cower? its more like going 0-4 is not newsworthy cause it happens to all ball players on a normal basis.... who's gonna make a comment about that? That's like be posting Furcal's line for today, it's highly irrelevant.

How do you analyze me through one post? Ease up



No, there is definite hate... a guy posted a page ago that he "still hates Howard". Even if he is kidding, there are haters out there. Once again with "vastly overrating him" and "shoving in others' faces". You are deciding this is me from one post? I think you're analyzing skills of me are a bit "overrated" (sorry, but there is no way you understand my point of view on Howard from one post).

And its not in anyone's face. its only in your face if you make it in your face. I wouldn't be bothered if someone posted Howard going 0-4 with 4Ks... cause i dont overrate him

You're telling me that you saying "take that Howard haters," isn't shoving that in anyone's face?

That's my problem. People can't have civil arguments without an "I told you so," popping in now and again. What you said was a clear indication of an "I told you so." Why does a Howard hater deserve to get told about something he does well? There's no point in that besides, like I've been saying, shoving it in their face.

To be fair, I'd say the same thing if Howard had an 0-4 game with 4 Ks and someone said, "see Howard lovers, he sucks." The calling out is baiting and just doesn't need to happen. It irritates me when someone has to call someone or a whole fanbase out for anything really. Believe me, I hate a lot of individual posters on here due to their homerism and the exact same "I told you so," attitudes, but it'd just put me in poor taste if I were to bring the topic up like that.

I just find it completely unnecessary for all of us to witness a game where Howard does something well and then to see a comment basically saying, "See, I told you so!!!"

Jeffy25
10-02-2011, 02:41 AM
I'm not gonna lie, that was depressing, and I drank heavily.....still drinking.


I felt we were gonna win until Lohse thought a 3-2 hanging 79 mph changeup was the right pitch to throw to Howard (belt high at that).

Jeffy25
10-02-2011, 02:43 AM
Howard is over-rated. I don't care what he gets paid.

He is over-rated, basically everyone in baseball has hit a 3 run home run, hell Berkman did it in this game. Howard doing it in this game doesn't somehow negate the over-rated tag. He is over-rated, easily, in fact, that home run further proves it. Most Phillies fans are riding him over it (and mostly deserving so). But it doesn't make him some MVP. Had it been a solo home run, would it have been less valuable to any Phillies fans?

yaswaggin
10-02-2011, 11:03 AM
Howard is over-rated. I don't care what he gets paid.

He is over-rated, basically everyone in baseball has hit a 3 run home run, hell Berkman did it in this game. Howard doing it in this game doesn't somehow negate the over-rated tag. He is over-rated, easily, in fact, that home run further proves it. Most Phillies fans are riding him over it (and mostly deserving so). But it doesn't make him some MVP. Had it been a solo home run, would it have been less valuable to any Phillies fans?

yes your're right he is overrated, but i still love him for what he does, knock in RBIs.

so far hes up to a much better start then last postseason in which he had no RBIs, already has 4

also who said hes MVP?

anyways,

the phillies started 2-14 in BABIP and in the end the cards luck ran out and in fact they got unlucky (slap singles a couple times)

lee vs carp should be a great matchup

should be a low scoring game, im not counting the cards out yet, but the phillies proved yesterday that their lineup is potent and deadly.

8-0 now with the opening day lineup with pence. :clap:

yaswaggin
10-02-2011, 11:07 AM
also forgot, its gonna be a great day today for baseball, not for football

our crappy linebackers versus the frank gore

vernon davis versus our crappy safeties and linebackers

wouldnt be suprised if we get blown out

go phils

Fred
10-02-2011, 11:25 AM
You're telling me that you saying "take that Howard haters," isn't shoving that in anyone's face?

That's my problem. People can't have civil arguments without an "I told you so," popping in now and again. What you said was a clear indication of an "I told you so." Why does a Howard hater deserve to get told about something he does well? There's no point in that besides, like I've been saying, shoving it in their face.

To be fair, I'd say the same thing if Howard had an 0-4 game with 4 Ks and someone said, "see Howard lovers, he sucks." The calling out is baiting and just doesn't need to happen. It irritates me when someone has to call someone or a whole fanbase out for anything really. Believe me, I hate a lot of individual posters on here due to their homerism and the exact same "I told you so," attitudes, but it'd just put me in poor taste if I were to bring the topic up like that.

I just find it completely unnecessary for all of us to witness a game where Howard does something well and then to see a comment basically saying, "See, I told you so!!!"

baseball is a game where the stars generally fail 70% of the time at the plate so it is much more likely for anyone to go 0-4 vs 1-3 with a walk, 3-run HR and Sac fly...that being said...it's one game...it doesn't change the debate one way or the the other....

koldjerky
10-02-2011, 11:55 AM
baseball is a game where the stars generally fail 70% of the time at the plate so it is much more likely for anyone to go 0-4 vs 1-3 with a walk, 3-run HR and Sac fly...that being said...it's one game...it doesn't change the debate one way or the the other....

Exactly.

Ender
10-02-2011, 11:55 AM
Jesus Christ... still with this? Enough already. We all know which camp we're in regarding Howard. Fans love him for what he does, haters find any and all possible ways to **** on his impressive accomplishments. Neither side is going to change their mind as that would be akin to showing an open mind on the Internet, which we know cannot happen.

Me? I hope he hits 20HR and drives in 100 in the next 10 games so I can say a big "**** you."