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09-26-2011, 05:20 PM
Voting for #40 has concluded and PSD's Official #40 NBA Player of all time is....

George Gervin

Top 3 Voting:

George Gervin = 13 votes
Dominique Wilkins = 10 votes
Willis Reed = 6 votes

The List:
The List Thread (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=635088)

The List:
1. Michael Jordan (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=631361)
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=631585)
3. Wilt Chamberlain (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=632046)
4. Magic Johnson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=632690)
5. Bill Russell (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=632852)
6. Larry Bird (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=633428)
7. Shaquille O'neal (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=633751)
8. Kobe Bryant (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634022)
9. Hakeem Olajuwon (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634733)
10. Tim Duncan (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=635092)
11. Oscar Robertson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=635506)
12. Moses Malone (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=636033)
13. Jerry West (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=636552)
14. Karl Malone (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=636998)
15. Julius Erving (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=637671)
16. David Robinson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=638526)
17. Charles Barkley (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=639576)
18. John Stockton (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=640285)
19. George Mikan (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641172)
20. Kevin Garnett (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641975)
21. LeBron James (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=642511)
22. Dirk Nowitzki (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=643161)
23. Bob Pettit (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=644031)
24. John Havlicek (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=645330)
25. Elgin Baylor (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=645990)
26. Dwyane Wade (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646496)
27. Scottie Pippen (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=647144)
28. Rick Barry (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=648440)
29. Isiah Thomas (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=649170)
30. Patrick Ewing (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=649815)
31. Bob Cousy (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=650318)
32. Walt Frazier (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651181)
33. Clyde Drexler (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651737)
34. Gary Payton (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=652073)
35. Jason Kidd (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=652644)
36. Kevin Mchale (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=653111)
37. Allen Iverson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=653515)
38. Steve Nash (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=654056)
39. Bill Walton (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=654694)
40. George Gervin (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=655171)

Voting will now begin for the #41 NBA Player All Time

These are the players that can be voted for the #40 spot.

Willis Reed
Dominique Wilkins
Sam Jones
Wes Unseld
Dave Cowens
Bob Mcadoo
James Worthy
Reggie Miller
Elvin Hayes
Dolph Schayes
Nate Thurmond
Shawn Kemp
Alonzo Mourning
Kevin Johnson
Jerry Lucas
Robert Parish
Nate Thurmond
Paul Pierce
Pau Gasol
Artis Gilmore
Hal Greer
Anfernee Hardaway
Tim Hardaway
Grant Hill

09-26-2011, 05:25 PM
VOTE: Willis Reed (2 titles, gave Knicks only titles in franchise history, won league mvp, finals mvp same season and won finals mvp another year)

09-26-2011, 06:13 PM
Dominique Wilkins a great finisher and carried the Hawks on his back for 10 years.

09-26-2011, 06:32 PM
Reed. He was good.

09-26-2011, 06:41 PM
T-Mac for me.

09-26-2011, 08:25 PM
Dominique Wilkins a great finisher and carried the Hawks on his back for 10 years.

Here are some of my highlights on Wilkins over the past few years:

No, he gets worshipped by casual fans that think PPG and high wire acrobatics == great basketball players.

If I was looking for one more player to round out my roster unless I needed a undisciplined shooter that didn't play D, or proper offense except for shooting, he'd be a great choice.

You guys have fallen in love with style over substance. Disgusting.

Originally Posted by NYKalltheway View Post
Style with substance

When a guy tortures the Celtics of the golden era and takes them into a 7 game series only to lose by 2, that says a lot.
I was generally more concerned about Magic, Jabbar, Malone, Bobby Jones, Cheeks, Nixon, Hakeem, Jordan, Vinnie, and a good deal more players in the 80's then selfish and self destructive Wilkins.

You complain that Nique was too much 'solo' in his career. That's true, nobody can deny that. But the question is why?

Atlanta Hawks were a one-man franchise. You seem to forget that. No Nique, no playoffs. Yet he took them to the NBA Finals, Conference Finals and semi-finals in a time when there were 5-6 very good teams (including 2-3 super teams)

'85-'86 Hawks:

Levingston, Willis, Rivers, Whittman, Koncak, Webb, Rollins, Hastings, Eddie Johnson, Wilkins. Pretty good team, not a title team, and they didn't win it, so? Let's look anyhow.

4 of his teammates had a better TRB% (one almost tied)
A shocking 7 of his teammates had better AST%
6 of his teammates had better BLK%
7 of his teammates had better DRtg
3 of his teammates had better STL%
2 of his teammates had better ORtg

hahahahha, get ready for this:

10 (TEN) of his teammates had a higher eFG% (that is so awful it is indescribable).

Wilkins WS/48 was a rather meh .17 (for a "superstar"). In fact this year he was 14th in the league behind immortals such as: Ricky Pierce, Gminski, and Pressey. In the first of Wilkins peak years with a solid team, he made it to 14th best player in the league.

Wilkins led the NBA in FG attempted 1897 (9 ahead of English). English however led in FG made by a huge 63 ahead of Wilkins. Nice - for English.

They could have done better, and those numbers (and others), and my memory all agree. If Wilkins had diversified his game then his team would have done better, they certainly had a fine group of shooters and passers, and nice front line of rebounders. Where was the glue? Where was the leader? It wasn't Wilkins. At age 26 he was all about him.

That's what is wrong with Wilkins and you, you both think he had to do everything. He wasn't a one man team, there were 11 other guys.

Now on to the year the Hawks could have won:

1986-1987 Hawks:

Offensive rating: 4th
Defensive rating: 2nd
SRS: 7.19 (2nd)

Totally at odds with your contention is that Wilkins was a one man team. Doc Rivers submitted a terrific .191 WS/48 season, right behind Wilkins .197
Willis had a fine season with an 8.6 WS. Levingston, Rollins, Wittman, Koncak, McGee, Carr all chipped in with good years.

What happened? Again Wilkins was only 7th in eFG% on his team, and remained well buried on the rebound, Assist, Block, and DRtg (and awful pitiful 107) list - which 8 of his teammates topped.

So this very tough team goes to the playoffs, cleans up on the weak Pacers, and then gets poleaxed 4 games to 1 by the Pistons. The Pistons then lose a tough series to the Celts. Wilkins shot under 40% against the Pistons in the Series. In fact in the playoffs that year, Wilkins was a horrific WS of 1.00 - under 7 of his other teammates! Do you understand how brutal that is for your hero? Want to look for a reason they got drummed out of the playoffs look at your hero - who choked up his best chance at a title all by himself.

The guy fought on his own because it was the winning recipe. Not strong enough, but you cannot take it away from him. When they played the Celtics, Larry Bird only rose to the occasion in the crucial nonetheless 4th quarter. Nique was playing his *** off all game long. This was the case in the whole of his career.

Boy did I just blow this nonsense away in what I wrote above. You are way way off. Played his *** off? You will defend this guy despite all other evidence - won't you?

Nique was a beast and you know it. If you wanna "blame" somebody for his being selfish, blame the Hawks administration....

Nique was a selfish cartoon of a real NBA player. He could have done more, probably a lot more with what he had. But he choose the way of selfishness.

Now he's just underrated and "glorified" for flashy dunking and high scoring rates...

Bunk, he is one of the 15 most overrated players of all time. A gunner - who wasn't even very accurate. And a guy dripping with talent that refused to apply it.

Any questions?

09-26-2011, 09:38 PM
Willis Reed has been ignored for too long in this list, my vote goes to him.

09-26-2011, 09:58 PM
Yes thank you, anyone got a case against Reed?

09-27-2011, 07:26 AM
I also feel like its time for Reed to go.

09-27-2011, 07:16 PM
Cowens next.

09-28-2011, 06:43 AM
Willis Reed for me

09-29-2011, 07:01 AM
reed then wilkins.. i feel c webb should come up soon.. along with tmac

09-29-2011, 07:34 AM
rodman should be on the list