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JordansBulls
09-20-2011, 07:51 PM
Voting for #37 has concluded and PSD's Official #37 NBA Player of all time is....

Allen Iverson

Top 3 Voting:

Allen Iverson = 19 votes
Steve Nash = 16 votes
Dominique Wilkins = 5 votes



The List:
The List Thread (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=635088)

The List:
1. Michael Jordan (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=631361)
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=631585)
3. Wilt Chamberlain (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=632046)
4. Magic Johnson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=632690)
5. Bill Russell (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=632852)
6. Larry Bird (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=633428)
7. Shaquille O'neal (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=633751)
8. Kobe Bryant (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634022)
9. Hakeem Olajuwon (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634733)
10. Tim Duncan (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=635092)
11. Oscar Robertson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=635506)
12. Moses Malone (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=636033)
13. Jerry West (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=636552)
14. Karl Malone (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=636998)
15. Julius Erving (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=637671)
16. David Robinson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=638526)
17. Charles Barkley (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=639576)
18. John Stockton (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=640285)
19. George Mikan (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641172)
20. Kevin Garnett (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641975)
21. LeBron James (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=642511)
22. Dirk Nowitzki (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=643161)
23. Bob Pettit (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=644031)
24. John Havlicek (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=645330)
25. Elgin Baylor (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=645990)
26. Dwyane Wade (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646496)
27. Scottie Pippen (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=647144)
28. Rick Barry (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=648440)
29. Isiah Thomas (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=649170)
30. Patrick Ewing (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=649815)
31. Bob Cousy (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=650318)
32. Walt Frazier (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651181)
33. Clyde Drexler (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651737)
34. Gary Payton (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=652073)
35. Jason Kidd (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=652644)
36. Kevin Mchale (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=653111)
37. Allen Iverson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=653515)


Voting will now begin for the #38 NBA Player All Time


These are the players that can be voted for the #38 spot.

Willis Reed
Dominique Wilkins
Sam Jones
Steve Nash
Wes Unseld
Dave Cowens
Bob Mcadoo
Bill Walton
George Gervin
James Worthy
Reggie Miller
Elvin Hayes
Dolph Schayes
Nate Thurmond
Shawn Kemp
Alonzo Mourning
Kevin Johnson
Jerry Lucas
Robert Parish
Nate Thurmond
Paul Pierce
Pau Gasol
Artis Gilmore
Hal Greer
Anfernee Hardaway
Tim Hardaway
Grant Hill

JordansBulls
09-20-2011, 07:55 PM
Vote: Bill Walton
Has a league and finals mvp. Brought the Portland franchise there only title in league history and beat a prime Kareem and prime Dr J in the playoffs without HCA in order to win the title.

TheNumber37
09-20-2011, 08:30 PM
Now that Iverson is off the board the controversy is over and people will vote more honestly than they did in the past couple of weeks.
vote: Nash, probably the best passer of all time and statistically the greatest shooter of all time.

drose>mj
09-20-2011, 08:40 PM
where is derrick rose in the options?

TheNumber37
09-20-2011, 09:06 PM
Derrick Rose is not a top 50 player.

But, still, if Penny, Hill and Tim Hardaway are here than...

PLEASE, at least the for numbers 40-50, can we eliminate people. perhaps placing them with more deserved people such as CP3 and such.

Let's survivor style vote off people. I vote out Penny because he played well for a handful of seasons and was never the same w/o shaq. Popular as he was, he can't be on this list.

drose>mj
09-20-2011, 09:26 PM
drose 1v1 can beat all of the guys u mentioned...

Swashcuff
09-20-2011, 09:55 PM
Adrian Dantley isn't even a poll option but yet still he may have a better case than the man who's actually winning this poll thus far in Dominque Wilkins.

Since JB sees it fit to add players to the poll I'm going to make nominations.

Nominate: Walt Bellamy, Sidney Moncrief and Adrian Dantley those 3 deserve to be there ahead of both Hardaways and G. Hill IMO.

pd7631
09-20-2011, 10:15 PM
Nominate:

Billy Cunningham.....one of the original 50 greatest players ever, at the very least he should be on the list

Nate "Tiny" Archibald....again, one of the original 50 greatest, should be on the list

Pistol Pete should be there

Chris Webber....one of the most gifted big men I've ever seen, loved watching him play

Hellcrooner
09-20-2011, 11:05 PM
since **** has already been flushed now im getting serious.

Nate Thurmond here.

How many in the list have :
NBA records

[edit]Regular season
First player in NBA history to record a quadruple-double in a game: Chicago Bulls (120) vs. Atlanta Hawks (115), October 18, 1974 (OT)
22 points, 14 rebounds, 13 assists, and 12 blocked shots in 45 minutes
The game was the first of the 1974–75 season, as well as Thurmond's debut with the Chicago Bulls.
Alvin Robertson, Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson are the only other players to achieve this.
One of five players in NBA history to average at least 15 rebounds per game for his career: 15.0 (14,464/964)
Also done by Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Bob Pettit and Jerry Lucas
One of five players in NBA history to average at least 20 rebounds per game during a season: 21.3 (1966–67), 22.0 (1967–68)
Also achieved by Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Bob Pettit and Jerry Lucas
One of four players in NBA history to record 40 or more rebounds in a game: 42, vs. Detroit Pistons, November 9, 1965
Also achieved by Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain and Jerry Lucas
Rebounds, quarter: 18, at Baltimore Bullets, February 28, 1965
Minutes played, game: 63, vs. Los Angeles Lakers, February 2, 1969 (3 OT)
Broken by Norm Nixon on January 29, 1980 (4 OT)

[edit]Playoffs
Recording 20 or more rebounds in all games of a playoff series: 6 games, vs. Philadelphia 76ers, 1967 NBA Finals
Wilt Chamberlain achieved this for the opposing team, Philadelphia 76ers, in the same series.

[edit]NBA Finals
Recording 20 or more rebounds in all games of a championship series: 6 games, vs. Philadelphia 76ers, 1967 NBA Finals
Wilt Chamberlain achieved this for the opposing team, Philadelphia 76ers, in the same series.
Also achieved by Bill Russell thrice (1959, 1961, 1962) and Wilt Chamberlain twice (1964, 1967).

[edit]Ranks 2nd in NBA history
[edit]NBA Finals
Rebounds, 6-game series: 160, vs. Philadelphia 76ers, 1967 NBA Finals (26.7 rpg)
Wilt Chamberlain recorded 171 rebounds (28.5 rpg) for the opposing team, Philadelphia 76ers, in the same series.

[edit]Ranks 3rd in NBA history
[edit]NBA Finals
Consecutive games with 20 or more rebounds: 6, vs. Philadelphia 76ers, April 14, 1967 to April 24, 1967

[edit]Ranks 4th in NBA history
[edit]Regular season
Free throw attempts, half: 20, at Philadelphia 76ers, January 5, 1971
[edit]Playoffs
Rebounds, 6-game series: 160, vs. Philadelphia 76ers, 1967 NBA Finals (26.7 rpg)

[edit]Ranks 5th in NBA history
[edit]Regular season
Rebounds, career: 14,464
Trailing Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Elvin Hayes
Highest average, rebounds per game, career: 15.0 (14,464/964)
Trailing Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Bob Pettit and Jerry Lucas
Blocked shots, game: 12, (Chicago Bulls) vs. Atlanta Hawks, October 18, 1974
Thurmond recorded the first quadruple-double in NBA history in this game. The game was also the first of the 1974–75 season, and Thurmond's debut with the Chicago Bulls.

murphturph
09-20-2011, 11:21 PM
Nash

ShakeN'Bake
09-21-2011, 07:37 AM
drose 1v1 can beat all of the guys u mentioned...

Cool. He is still not a top 50 player all-time yet.

Jordansbulls could you please explain why those guys were added to the poll after the fact that you said no nominations would be taken?

Also I go for Walton here.

(Edit) Also Hellcrooner I like your idea for how the poll should go that you posted in the last thread, but don't you think we are too far along to just stop and go back?

Hellcrooner
09-21-2011, 08:30 AM
Cool. He is still not a top 50 player all-time yet.

Jordansbulls could you please explain why those guys were added to the poll after the fact that you said no nominations would be taken?

Also I go for Walton here.

(Edit) Also Hellcrooner I like your idea for how the poll should go that you posted in the last thread, but don't you think we are too far along to just stop and go back?

ye`, maybe next time

pd7631
09-21-2011, 02:54 PM
Reggie Miller, the guy was an absolute killer on the court. He feared nobody, and was one of the most clutch players in history. He never really had the chance to play with another great player, yet he still found a way of knocking on the championship door several times. Best shooter ever in my book too.

bootsy
09-21-2011, 03:00 PM
Unbelievable that Willis Reed is still on the board. Steve Nash, really people?

Chronz
09-21-2011, 03:03 PM
Reggie Miller, the guy was an absolute killer on the court. He feared nobody, and was one of the most clutch players in history. He never really had the chance to play with another great player, yet he still found a way of knocking on the championship door several times. Best shooter ever in my book too.
Still found a way? Must have had something to do with the fact that he had some of the deepest teams in the league, a true star, like MJ, would have won a title with his squads. Id focus more on his shooting ability than his overstated rep in the clutch.

Reggie and Ewing are examples of stars whos teams were championship caliber, but whos star player werent up to the task of leading them. Still great players but clearly a notch below most stars.

Chronz
09-21-2011, 03:04 PM
Unbelievable that Willis Reed is still on the board. Steve Nash, really people?

Yea Longevity has really won this poll

Chronz
09-21-2011, 03:06 PM
since **** has already been flushed now im getting serious.

Nate Thurmond here.


I love Thurmond as much as anyone but would you really take him over Zo?

NYKalltheway
09-21-2011, 03:44 PM
Nash is overrated. Went with the fanboy pick since I'm not really gonna have much time since I'm moving and don't have regular internet yet.

Hellcrooner
09-21-2011, 07:02 PM
I love Thurmond as much as anyone but would you really take him over Zo?

yep, im not a big zo fan to be honest.

Swashcuff
09-21-2011, 07:16 PM
What about Howard (though he's not an option) over both Zo and Thurmond (who I see as a top 3-5 defensive C off all time)? Question for both Crooner and Chronz.

tredigs
09-21-2011, 09:15 PM
What about Howard (though he's not an option) over both Zo and Thurmond (who I see as a top 3-5 defensive C off all time)? Question for both Crooner and Chronz.

Over which of Bill Russell, Dikembe, Ben Wallace, Hakeem, D. Robinson or (defensive minded) Wilt?

KnicksorBust
09-21-2011, 09:47 PM
since **** has already been flushed now im getting serious.

Nate Thurmond here.

How many in the list have :
NBA records

[edit]Regular season
First player in NBA history to record a quadruple-double in a game: Chicago Bulls (120) vs. Atlanta Hawks (115), October 18, 1974 (OT)
22 points, 14 rebounds, 13 assists, and 12 blocked shots in 45 minutes
The game was the first of the 1974–75 season, as well as Thurmond's debut with the Chicago Bulls.
Alvin Robertson, Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson are the only other players to achieve this.
One of five players in NBA history to average at least 15 rebounds per game for his career: 15.0 (14,464/964)
Also done by Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Bob Pettit and Jerry Lucas
One of five players in NBA history to average at least 20 rebounds per game during a season: 21.3 (1966–67), 22.0 (1967–68)
Also achieved by Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Bob Pettit and Jerry Lucas
One of four players in NBA history to record 40 or more rebounds in a game: 42, vs. Detroit Pistons, November 9, 1965
Also achieved by Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain and Jerry Lucas
Rebounds, quarter: 18, at Baltimore Bullets, February 28, 1965
Minutes played, game: 63, vs. Los Angeles Lakers, February 2, 1969 (3 OT)
Broken by Norm Nixon on January 29, 1980 (4 OT)

[edit]Playoffs
Recording 20 or more rebounds in all games of a playoff series: 6 games, vs. Philadelphia 76ers, 1967 NBA Finals
Wilt Chamberlain achieved this for the opposing team, Philadelphia 76ers, in the same series.

[edit]NBA Finals
Recording 20 or more rebounds in all games of a championship series: 6 games, vs. Philadelphia 76ers, 1967 NBA Finals
Wilt Chamberlain achieved this for the opposing team, Philadelphia 76ers, in the same series.
Also achieved by Bill Russell thrice (1959, 1961, 1962) and Wilt Chamberlain twice (1964, 1967).

[edit]Ranks 2nd in NBA history
[edit]NBA Finals
Rebounds, 6-game series: 160, vs. Philadelphia 76ers, 1967 NBA Finals (26.7 rpg)
Wilt Chamberlain recorded 171 rebounds (28.5 rpg) for the opposing team, Philadelphia 76ers, in the same series.

[edit]Ranks 3rd in NBA history
[edit]NBA Finals
Consecutive games with 20 or more rebounds: 6, vs. Philadelphia 76ers, April 14, 1967 to April 24, 1967

[edit]Ranks 4th in NBA history
[edit]Regular season
Free throw attempts, half: 20, at Philadelphia 76ers, January 5, 1971
[edit]Playoffs
Rebounds, 6-game series: 160, vs. Philadelphia 76ers, 1967 NBA Finals (26.7 rpg)

[edit]Ranks 5th in NBA history
[edit]Regular season
Rebounds, career: 14,464
Trailing Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Elvin Hayes
Highest average, rebounds per game, career: 15.0 (14,464/964)
Trailing Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Bob Pettit and Jerry Lucas
Blocked shots, game: 12, (Chicago Bulls) vs. Atlanta Hawks, October 18, 1974
Thurmond recorded the first quadruple-double in NBA history in this game. The game was also the first of the 1974–75 season, and Thurmond's debut with the Chicago Bulls.

Was he also top 5 in NBA History in rebounds in the 3rd quarter of saturday day games on the west coast?

Swashcuff
09-21-2011, 09:48 PM
Over which of Bill Russell, Dikembe, Ben Wallace, Hakeem, D. Robinson or (defensive minded) Wilt?

Ben, Dike (marginally) and D. Rob and around the same as Wilt but even then he may get the slight nod. That's based solely on reading and the limited film as I'm not old enough to have seen him play live.

He is truly one of the most underrated defensive players of all time IMO. He could defend anyone from Wilt to Reed to Kareem and was extremely intelligent defensively like extremely, with great footwork quick hands and cat like reflexes on the shot block. Both Kareem and Wilt said that Nate was the best defensive C they ever played against. He took defense personally like if the team/man he was going up against ill spoke his mother or something. He said that every time he came off the court the man he was guarding must have respect for him.

As a side note I think he was probably one of the strongest players ever I mean the man was JACKED.

http://i.imgur.com/1uYdF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ygNdv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/u9L7O.jpg

He was like Dwight before there was a Dwight :laugh2:

KnicksorBust
09-21-2011, 10:00 PM
Still found a way? Must have had something to do with the fact that he had some of the deepest teams in the league, a true star, like MJ, would have won a title with his squads. Id focus more on his shooting ability than his overstated rep in the clutch.

Reggie and Ewing are examples of stars whos teams were championship caliber, but whos star player werent up to the task of leading them. Still great players but clearly a notch below most stars.

Ewing didn't have help till he was in his mid 30s. Harper-Starks-Oakley is a championship caliber supporting cast? Be reasonable. He had a bunch of defensive role players and never got to play with an elite playmaker or an elite shooter to make the game easier for him.

MTar786
09-22-2011, 12:26 AM
ummm.. why is chris webber not on this list yet?

seriously. 3 guys that SHOULD be here over quite a few that already are are...

chris webber
dennis rodman
mitch richmond
ralph sampson

hell, even ray allen is better than some of the guys on here.

Chronz
09-22-2011, 12:50 AM
Ewing didn't have help till he was in his mid 30s. Harper-Starks-Oakley is a championship caliber supporting cast? Be reasonable. He had a bunch of defensive role players and never got to play with an elite playmaker or an elite shooter to make the game easier for him.
His best support came when he was far too old but he and everyone else for that matter had a golden opportunity when MJ retired for 1 1/2 seasons. He was 31-32 during this stretch. Maybe not at his best but still in his prime, perhaps if the cat quick 27 year old replaces Ewing he comes away with a title so dont take this as if Im saying he wasnt the kind of player who could win a title, but his window was short and the notion that he didnt have the talent around him to win is false. He had the talent, you call them defensive role players, but they were elite at what they provided, they werent one of the greatest defensive teams just because of Ewing. In fact, despite the Knicks historical defensive dominance, Ewing was never seen as one of the 2 best defenders at his own position. Ewing had the support, he just couldnt deliver in that Finals.

Hellcrooner
09-22-2011, 02:08 AM
ummm.. why is chris webber not on this list yet?

seriously. 3 guys that SHOULD be here over quite a few that already are are...

chris webber
dennis rodman
mitch richmond
ralph sampson

hell, even ray allen is better than some of the guys on here.

sampson, Richmond or rodman NOPE

Webber yep he should be in the list and Ray Allen too....specially when shawn kemp is up thers :rolleyes:

Stuckey#3
09-22-2011, 02:11 AM
It's about ****ing time AI got in.

Stuckey#3
09-22-2011, 02:23 AM
Went with McAdoo.

Nominate Adrian Dantley, Dennis Rodman and Dwight Howard.

Chronz
09-22-2011, 03:44 AM
yep, im not a big zo fan to be honest.
What dont you like in this comparison?

millerandco
09-22-2011, 08:32 AM
nash

and rodman should be on the list

OGMarkWahlberg
09-22-2011, 03:29 PM
Hmm... between Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed and Bill Walton for me ... I am going with Bill Walton if this guy never had any injuries who knows what he could have been .. with that being said #shoutout to Grant Hill

OGMarkWahlberg
09-22-2011, 03:30 PM
Wow how can you guys vote for people like Reggie Miller, Tmac and Steve Nash with some of the names on this poll?

Vincent33
09-22-2011, 03:39 PM
Went with Bill Walton. Guided Blazers to the franchise's only NBA championship, sweeping Kareem's(#2 PSD NBA alltime) Lakers in the WCF and beating Dr. J's(#15 PSD NBA alltime) 76ers in the Finals.

Reinvented his career as the 6th man off of Boston's bench on the way to the 1986 title.

Anfernee Hardaway is an option? What kind of awful joke is that? Can't the list be cut down to 20 players or so to choose from and cut some of these others that have absolutely no shot? I'm looking at you Penny, T. Hardaway, Kemp...

To me, it looks like the first 10 players on the list from Nique-Worthy and then Parish have the best chance to make it, leaving 2 spots left.

mightybosstone
09-22-2011, 03:47 PM
I'm glad to see Walton is finally getting some love. Nash looks to have this wrapped up, but there's still hope for Walton to crack the top 40. He clearly had the best peak of any player on this list...

Lakersfan2483
09-22-2011, 07:48 PM
George Gervin

sunsfan88
03-18-2012, 02:57 AM
Nash should have gone much higher than this. SMH!

Raph12
03-18-2012, 03:08 AM
Nash should have gone much higher than this. SMH!

Sweet dunk in your sig, but really, did you have to bump this just to say that?

CoffeeJanitor
03-18-2012, 03:42 AM
Iverson over Nash?

lol