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phlp_bj
09-16-2011, 10:06 PM
Hello Everyone,

Welcome to the playoff voting for the PSD NBA Redraft. Every year we basketball fans enjoy taking part in a PSD game called the NBA redraft where over 60 users participate. The point of the redraft is to draft the best team possible and the obvious goal is to be crowned champion by the NBA forum. You will notice that the team name do not represent current NBA teams. The reason why we avoided this is because we wanted to avoid a bias that exists with current team names. For example, a team that had the Chicago Bulls team name would probably experience a higher volume of votes than letís say the Memphis Grizzlies team simply because they have the larger fan base on PSD. As a result we got rid of that bias completely. Please take the time to review both teams, look at the depth chart and read the write ups to formalize your own opinion on which team would win a 7 game series. As far as injuries go, they will not be playing a factor in this Redraft though players that are continually hurt and have not had a healthy season in quite some time should be viewed as different players than what they once were (Yao, Oden, Roy etc). Thank you for voting and enjoy the match ups.

1) El Paso vs. 2) Las Vegas

El Paso has home court advantage

El Paso Depth Chart:
PG: Rajon Rondo/Lou Williams/Jeff Teague/Brian Scalabrine
SG: Manu Ginoblli/Evan Turner/Brian Scalabrine
SF: Michael Beasley/James Posey/Brian Scalabrine
PF: Kevin Garnett/Jordan Hill/Brian Scalabrine
C: Ben Wallace/Nenad Krstic/Brian Scalabrine

Las Vegas Depth Chart:
PG - Kirk Hinrich / Jason Terry / Shaun Livingston
SG - Stephen Jackson / Jason Terry / Iman Shumpert
SF - Andrei Kirilenko / Austin Daye / Stephen Jackson
PF - Dirk Nowitzki / Anthony Tolliver / Bismack Biyombo
C - Kwame Brown / Jason Thompson

El Paso Writeup:

Good luck to Las Vegas and may the best team win.

Just a couple things, Iíd like to point out first about the slightly, but surely flawed Las Vegas team. First, is Stephen Jacksonís huge inefficiencies. Jackson has a 520 TS%, not great for a wing at all. Thatís #261st in the league. The Rudy Fernandez, Jose Calderon, Rodney Carney, Jordan Hill, Rip Hamiltonís of the world are the type of people that are in his range. Jackson in 11 years has never had more than 5 win shares in a season, never had .1 WS/48. He hasnít shown to be a reliable #2 guy successfully since his Indy days which is about 5-6 years ago. He also has a pretty high USG% of 27.5, meaning on more than ľ of the plays he has the ball in his hand.

Their rebounding clearly has issues. Dirk has only gotten about 7-8 rebounds a game for the past few years. He doesnít have Chandler in the post anymore to depend on. Kwame only picked up 6+ boards as a starter. KG and Big Ben could both pull in double digit rebounding numbers, and Bea`sley gets another 7-8 as well. Donít forget Rondo who seems to always get triple doubles in the playoffs, heíll get some too. The rebounding department is clearly in our favor.

Also, looking over Vegasís team, you could assume theyíd be taking a lot of quick shots, scoring a lot of points at a quick pace. On top of El Paso having the best defense in the redraft league (a fact) we also move at a very slow pace. Rondo is tremendous and switching up tempos, and that mismatch could really bug Vegas. Defending a slow paced team will cause them to gamble a lot on D and make quite a few mistakes to switch it up.
Technically, you could use that against us and say Vegasís faster pace may tire us out, but we have two guys who made all nba defensive team last year, as well as 3 plus defenders in Manu Big Ben and Posey who can adjust to the change.

PG-Rajon Rondo vs Kirk Hinrich.
A fairly easy victory for Rondo. Kirk is coming off a terrible year, actually heís been below average for a few years now. He hasnít had a good PER since 2007, and has only managed about 4 assists the past 3 years. His defense has always been praised, but it isnít very good to be honest. He had a 109 defensive rating, 11th on the hawks team. In other words, the hawks allowed more points than usual when Kirk was on the court. He doesnít exactly run offenses either. Rondo is a top 5 point guard, and one of the best at running offenses. He canít shoot, but in the paint he has a 65% eFG percentage. Of course, everyone remembers that great Celtic-Bulls series when KG was out. Kirk defended Rondo a good portion of the games, and Rondo absolutely destroyed, putting up 20/10/12/3. Hell, Rondo was even hitting 3ís on Kirk! Rondo will shutdown Hinrich and have a nice series himself as well.

SG-Manu Ginobili vs Stephen Jackson
Yea, another easy victory for El Paso. Manu is considered a top 3 SG, Jackson isnít top 10. Manu has 3 title rings, Jacksonís 1, came when he was holding Manuís jockstrap on the bench. Manu is one of the most complete players in the game, carrying the Spurs to a #1 seed, while Jackson is one of the most inefficient players in the league, carrying his team to the lotto! In 14 career matchups, Stephen Jackson has shot a whopping 36% FG percentage against Manu! LOL! On the other side, Gino shot 50% and dropped down 19. Imagine what heíd do playing 36-40 instead of 28 minutes. Manu is also very clutch, in the closing 5 minutes of the game with the game within 5 points, Ginobili has a 42 FG% and has won 72% of the time when placed in that situation. An argument isnít even needed here, Manu takes this with ease.

SF-Michael Beasley vs Andrei Kirilenko
An interesting matchup here. You have an athletic, scoring, young upcoming player in Michael Beasley matching up with a defensive minded, complete vet in Andrei Kirilenko. This is about as even as you can get. While Kirilenko is a typically good defender, Beasley has scored 20 ppg in their last 5 meetings, and before you say ďomgz Beasley is a chuckerĒ, he did by going 50% from the field. He also shot 43% from 3. Factor in Rondo controlling Beasleyís shot selection, and Beasley could have quite the series on Kirilenko. Kirilenko has played well on Beasley too, shooting a high FG% but how likely is he to have the ball in his hand with Dirk, Jackson and Terry getting touches? Beasley is also the better rebounder, and lack of rebounding is one of Vegas key concerns with Dirk and Kwame in the frontcourt. Beasley will be dropping 20 and picking up 6,7,8 boards even with Kirilenko slowing him down in this very even matchup

Power Forward

Kevin Garnett vs Dirk Nowitzki
Ohhhhhh man, here we go. This must really suck for Vegas. Their best player, arguably the best scorer in the league just happened to run into the best defensive player at his positon. Dirk wonít be stopped no question. But nobody will slow down Dirk more than KG will. Garmett is the best defensive PF, while Dirk is the best offensive PF. In their career matchups, dirk is 23/8/2, while garnett is 23/12/5. One thing to strongly consider is that there is no Jason kidd now, there is no Steve Nash now. Whoís going to set Dirk up? Certainly not Kirk, heís proven to be ineffective in that role. Jackson is way too ball demanding. Terry and Dirk do have the chemistry, but itís been a few years now since Terry has been in that distributing role, and putting him in that position against Rondo is a terrible idea. Garnett will control the post and force Dirk to take his shots from the perimeter. Sure, heíll make them anyway, but if he goes on a cold streak, Vegas is in big trouble. Garnett is also better at pretty much everything else, heís a very good rebounder, while Dirk is below average considering his height. Garnett had the better rebound rating, passer rating, block rating, and handling rating. Dirkís eFG% was also only 17 points higher. KG is far from washed up, especially with the off days heíll have in this series. No doubt Dirk wins this matchup but we match up pretty damn well on him

Center Ben Wallace vs Kwame Brown
Really not much to say, both are pretty much nonfactors in the series to be honest, so I wont really get into much detail. Kwame can actually score a bucket, but itís not like heís going to be a force in the post or even get the ball more than a few times to shoot lol. Wallace is the better defender, shotblocker, rebounder, passer, and has the experience so I guess Big Ben wins!
-Nenad Krstic will be getting equal if not majority minutes at center. Without a post defender, Krstic could have a pretty damn good series.

Bench-Vegasís bench looks nice with Terry and all, but donít discredit El Pasoís bench either. Lou Will is very similar to Jason Terry in that heís a scoring combo guard off the bench, watching the two go up against each other will be fun. Posey gives us a key shutdown defender along the perimeter. Krstic has a nice post game, and considering he has to play against Kwame and Dirk in the frontcourt, I imagine Rondo will be going to Krstic several times. Turner has yet to come into his own in the NBA but he can emerge at any time, and considering he was a #2 pick, itís not far fetched to think he could really step up here and have a big series. And we have the mutha****ing Scal!Vegas has the better key reserves, but our bench rounded out may be just as good.

Las Vegas Depth Chart:

Letís start this off by saying that Sportsfan created some fantastic trades throughout this Re-Draft to get him into this position, wish him the best if heís able to pass our fantastic team this round.

Point Guard Ė Kirk Hinrich vs. Rajon Rondo

Given that Rajon Rondo isnít what we would call a shooting specialist; it allows Hinrich to play him differently defensively. Heís going to expect those drives into the lane, while both Stephen Jackson and AK-47 have the ability to slightly slide over, that is, if heís able to get past Kirk Hinrich. With these types of defensive players, any type of defense is able to be played, press certainly will at times. Given his size and length, Shaun Livingston is another point guard who defensively is able to be thrown at Rondo. Hinrich has nearly 3 inches and 20 pounds on Rajon Rondo heíll be looking to play a Chauncy Billups type of game with the fantastic shooting and back downs.

Shooting Guard Ė Stephen Jackson (Jason Terry off bench) vs. Manu Ginobili

Iíll start this off by saying, where will the scoring come from? Obviously Manu Ginobili is able to produce certain numbers, but with a top perimeter defender in Stephen Jackson against him, certainly he will be slowed down. Beasley might be able to produce some scoring, but heíll be playing against such a crafty and versatile defender in AK-47. Weíd like to reiterate the concerns that Stephen Jackson is inefficient, which we obviously think at misleading. Jackson's TS% in GState (when he didn't have to carry the scoring load) was in the 54%/55% range which is right at/slightly above the league average. Obviously when playing for the Bobcats he was forced to become the number one option, which certainly isnít needed with Dirk and Jason Terry on this roster, creating the ability for Jackson to worry less about scoring.

Small Forward Ė Andrei Kirilenko vs. Michael Beasley

With Rajon Rondo scoring 10.6 PPG in the regular season and 14 PPG in the playoffs, Kevin Garnett scoring 14.9 PPG in both the regular season and playoffs, and with Ben Wallace giving them 3 PPG, that leaves Beasley with a awful lot of scoring to do. Do you really want an experienced player with some inefficiently problems being the number two option? Manu wonít be able to the handle the complete scoring load, and with him playing in the low 30ís for MMPG, it leaves Evan Turner seeing 15 MPG+. Turner really did struggle during most of last season and certainly doesnít have any type of experience at the next level. Iím not saying heís not going to be a great player in the future, but at this point, itís far too early to rely on him to provide a consistent scoring punch. While AK-47 defensively is a very crafty veteran defender who can consistently stay with Beasley throughout the game, causing him to struggle, especially with the type of pressure he has scoring wise.

Power Forward Ė Dirk Nowitzki vs. Kevin Garnett

Dirk is that go-to superstar, someone who can be handed the ball at any point during the game and able to change it. Heís truly a complete scoring option and someone who proved that heís able to be that leader on a championship roster. The problem with Kevin Garnett is that heís definitely slowed down offensively as mentioned above, while also seeing less minutes then he did in the past. Considering that Dirk is the best power forward in the NBA, itís not much of a contest to tell who wins this matchup. Garnett isnít the same type of player he once was, although heís still a good player, but Dirk has excelled into a platform of his own.

We'd like everyone to take a look at this link:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=garneke01

It shows Garnett vs. Dirk over the years. While KG had the edge for early stages of their careers, Dirk has completely reversed that matchup. Since the beginning of 2010 Dirk has outscored KG 28-8, 25-18, and 29-16. Dirk has shot a combined 59% from the field to KG's 45%fg. Dirk is 22-23 from the line in those games (almost 8 ft per game) while KG is 4-4 (1.3 ft per game). Dirk has committed 6 fouls (2 per game) while KG has committed 12 fouls (4 per game). This trend began in 2007 and as you can see over the last 2 years Dirk clearly has taken complete control of this matchup.

Center Ė Kwame Brown vs. Ben Wallace

Wallace offensively is absolutely putrid, 2.9 PPG on 45 FG%, 33 FT%, and his TS% was an abysmal 44%. Kwame Brown posted much better numbers offensively, 51.7 FG%, 58.9 FT%, and a TS% of .550Wallace at this point in his career is a liability on offense and synergy had him ranked as 241st defender in the league last season. He was terrible closing out on shooters and in pick and rolls (which means no way they can put him on Dirk and Jordan Hill will actually have to spend some time on one of the best scorers in the league).

Bench Ė Jason Terry, Jason Thompson, Shaun Livingston, Austin Daye, Anthony Tolliver, Bismack Biyombo, DJ Mbenga, and Iman Shumpert.

Jason Terry leads the charge off the bench for this team. He is the best bench player in the entire NBA and one of the main reasons why the Dallas Mavericks won the NBA Championship this past season. Heís an electric scorer with the ability to light up the scoreboard at any point during the game. While Jason Thompson is a much underrated versatile player, he has the ability to play both C and PF. Synergy had him ranked as one of the best defensive bigmen in the NBA last year. Heís one of those players that are absolutely perfect as the main big off the bench. Due to Demarcus Cousins being drafted, his time diminished a bit last season, however he still put up 9/6 and 12.5/8.5 the year before. He brings a very athletic side to this team and will surely be used during the fast break. Shaun Livingston is a larger point guard that has the ability to guard shooting guards if heís in the game with Jason Terry, if he canít handle them. He was a very bright spot of the Clippers quite a few years ago until that freakish injury; heís a fighter to be back on in the NBA. Austin Daye is a young wing player with plenty potential. Heís able to knock down shots and given his 6-11 205 frame, heís able to rebound quite well for a small forward. Anthony Tolliver is a strong big off the bench who has some experience starting with the Warriors and simply fills in with our strong big rotation. The rest of our bench consist of players that will see a bit of time during the playoffs and are all able to fill any necessary minutes.

Overall:
Vegas is built the way a championship team is built. A mix of competitive hungry veterans with some young talent off the bench. A true #1 clutch scorer in Dirk. A true #2 in Jason Terry who has unbelievable chemistry with our #1. And then a mix complementary defenders and scorers. Our best defender Stephen Jackson (who last season held opponents to a ridiculously low 35% shooting in iso situations and only 38% overall) is matched up on his best scorer and our second best defender AK47 is matched up on his second best scorer. That means the ineffecient and inexperienced Michael Beasley will be forced to carry a huge load for a team in the conference finals. Especially covering for 3 starters who no longer can handle logging heavy minutes (manu-kg-big ben) and a starting 5 that is only producing around 30 points from its pg-pf-c combo (Rondo 12-14, kg 14-16, big ben 2-4). That means the bench will be carrying a heavy load and at this stage in the game his bench players aren't enough to take him to the finals.

Congrats again to El Paso but we believe Las Vegas is the stronger team and deserves to advance to the Championship.

Sadds The Gr8
09-16-2011, 10:11 PM
Vegas...I think El Paso is too limited scoring wise, while Vegas has decent balance.

The_Jamal
09-16-2011, 10:16 PM
Vegas has been my favorite for awhile and the write-ups did nothing to change my mind. A stifiling team defense with the best scorer in basketball+ a very deep bench is just very difficult to get past. El Paso is a very good team, but aren't nearly as talented an offensive team as Vegas

KnicksorBust
09-16-2011, 10:21 PM
I have a lot of issues with El Paso's writeup. Those of you on the fence let me respond to those before deciding. Thx to Saddler and Jamal.

Raps18-19 Champ
09-16-2011, 10:22 PM
I think Garnett can limit Dirk pretty nice. :shrug:

Sadds The Gr8
09-16-2011, 10:25 PM
I think Garnett can limit Dirk pretty nice. :shrug:

hasn't done it the last couple years. he's owned KG since he went to Boston.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=nowitdi01&p2=garneke01

Westbrook36
09-16-2011, 10:26 PM
I think Garnett can limit Dirk pretty nice. :shrug:

He hasn't shown it the last two years as we showed in our write-up :shrug:

KnicksorBust
09-16-2011, 10:40 PM
4 big issues with El Paso’s writeup:

1. Their analysis of Stephen Jackson. El paso made two mistakes. They tried to confuse voters who are options are and they used their own player as an example to try and prove how bad our player was in this series. When you know Garnett can only handle 32-35mpg and Jordan Hill will be guarding Dirk at some point do you really want to use him as an example of someone who can’t score efficiently? In regards to Sjax, we think his versatility as someone who can drive, pass, and shoot would improve his effiency greatly as a #3/#4 option playing off of Dirk and Terry.

2. In the same writeup they said Big Ben can pull down double digit rebounding numbers but that Nenad Krstic will be playing the majority of center minutes. I’d respect them more if they took a side and said “Big Ben will play more of a bench role” or “Big Ben will play like his old self and get big minutes in this series.” You can’t play both sides.

3. Kirilenko actually outplayed Beasley in their matchups this season. Feel free to post the link. Las Vegas loves that he’s your #2. We believe that is a huge part of your downfall in this series. We can throw AK47 and Sjax on him and force an already inefficient scorer into worse shots while he tries to carry the scoring load on a team devoid of scorers in your starting lineup (rondo-kg-bigben)

4. Posting the career numbers of Dirk and KG is absurd. Don’t try and skew the numbers from KG’s Minnesota days. Vegas has no trouble sharing those numbers in their writeup. Because as the two have aged, Dirk has gotten better and better to the point where he thrives vs. KG and has demolished him in every matchup since 2010. We are not afraid of KG because the numbers show it just ain’t there vs. Dirk. We expect big 4th quarters from our star.

Raps18-19 Champ
09-16-2011, 10:48 PM
I change my vote to Vegas since I'm homo for KoB.

Westbrook36
09-16-2011, 10:51 PM
4 big issues with El Pasoís writeup:

1. Their analysis of Stephen Jackson. El paso made two mistakes. They tried to confuse voters who are options are and they used their own player as an example to try and prove how bad our player was in this series. When you know Garnett can only handle 32-35mpg and Jordan Hill will be guarding Dirk at some point do you really want to use him as an example of someone who canít score efficiently? In regards to Sjax, we think his versatility as someone who can drive, pass, and shoot would improve his effiency greatly as a #3/#4 option playing off of Dirk and Terry.

2. In the same writeup they said Big Ben can pull down double digit rebounding numbers but that Nenad Krstic will be playing the majority of center minutes. Iíd respect them more if they took a side and said ďBig Ben will play more of a bench roleĒ or ďBig Ben will play like his old self and get big minutes in this series.Ē You canít play both sides.

3. Kirilenko actually outplayed Beasley in their matchups this season. Feel free to post the link. Las Vegas loves that heís your #2. We believe that is a huge part of your downfall in this series. We can throw AK47 and Sjax on him and force an already inefficient scorer into worse shots while he tries to carry the scoring load on a team devoid of scorers in your starting lineup (rondo-kg-bigben)

4. Posting the career numbers of Dirk and KG is absurd. Donít try and skew the numbers from KGís Minnesota days. Vegas has no trouble sharing those numbers in their writeup. Because as the two have aged, Dirk has gotten better and better to the point where he thrives vs. KG and has demolished him in every matchup since 2010. We are not afraid of KG because the numbers show it just ainít there vs. Dirk. We expect big 4th quarters from our star.

:cheers:

I was about to point out some flaws as well, but I saw that you had already posted that you were going to.

Raps18-19 Champ
09-16-2011, 10:56 PM
I thought about it and I say **** Garnett.

Dirk shoves his dick in Garnett's mouth any day.

roshan3ai
09-16-2011, 11:15 PM
I have not voted yet, but SF you're writeup is messed up.


Just a couple things, Iíd like to point out first about the slightly, but surely flawed Las Vegas team. First, is Stephen Jacksonís huge inefficiencies. Jackson has a 520 TS%, not great for a wing at all. Thatís #261st in the league. The Rudy Fernandez, Jose Calderon, Rodney Carney, Jordan Hill, Rip Hamiltonís of the world are the type of people that are in his range. Jackson in 11 years has never had more than 5 win shares in a season, never had .1 WS/48. He hasnít shown to be a reliable #2 guy successfully since his Indy days which is about 5-6 years ago. He also has a pretty high USG% of 27.5, meaning on more than ľ of the plays he has the ball in his hand.


You aren't even taking into consideration the terrible situation he was in with Charlotte. It was basically him and Augustin out there. Their scoring options were severely limited and he had to try to do everything himself. And he won't be relied on as heavily as you say because Vegas has Jet off the bench, who proved to be a formidable number two option this year.

Then you go ahead and knock SJax's efficiency when you have Beasley as your second option and he had a putrid 51 TS%! Are you kidding me? You say SJax is too inefficient as a number two option and you have Beasley as your number two and he's less efficient AND didn't even have 2 win shares.


Their rebounding clearly has issues. Dirk has only gotten about 7-8 rebounds a game for the past few years. He doesnít have Chandler in the post anymore to depend on. Kwame only picked up 6+ boards as a starter. KG and Big Ben could both pull in double digit rebounding numbers, and Bea`sley gets another 7-8 as well. Donít forget Rondo who seems to always get triple doubles in the playoffs, heíll get some too. The rebounding department is clearly in our favor.

You say that Kwame only got 6+ as a starter when Ben got 6.5 as a starter! :laugh2: Kwame isn't pulling down double digit numbers unless he has a time machine because last time I checked you can't rely on him for more than 24 minutes. Beasley pulled down 5.6 boards this year. How is he magically going to go to 7-8?

You also conveniantly left out AK's rebounding, because he averages around the same number of rbs as Beasley and has a slightly superior TRB%. You also left out SJax's rebounding. He'll pull down 4-5 a game.


while Jackson is one of the most inefficient players in the league, carrying his team to the lotto!

Yeah because you have uber-efficient Beasley who led his team to a top 5 seed :laugh2:


Beasley is also the better rebounder (referring to AK)
False.

Again I have yet to decide who I will vote for but SF, you're writeup sucks

mightybosstone
09-17-2011, 02:17 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Las Vegas is the most balanced team in the re-draft with the perfect mix of veterans, defenders at every position, shooters, slashers and post scorers, and one of the best players in the league coming off one of the greatest postseason runs in NBA history.

If one team COULD knock of Vegas, it would be El Paso, but I think there are some flaws in their roster. I love Manu, but he's rarely had to be a surefire No. 1 in this league and he picks his spots more than he takes over games, IMO. Aside from Manu, who is their No. 2? A geriatric Garnett or the most inefficient top 25 scorer in the league, who posted inflated numbers on an awful team? And he's surrounded Manu with no decent 3-point shooters. Rondo has no range whatsoever and Beasley is merely average.

Defensively, Beasley is a problem here as well, and while Kirilenko isn't going to light you up for 25 a night, the dude can finish in the lane and hit a mid range jumper. And I love Ben Wallace, but even for the gritty 20-25 minutes he can provide defensively, the dude is not quite the elite player he once was. They'll have to be clever with their defense, constantly switching out Garnett and Wallace on Dirk, so that he's NEVER being defended by Beasley, Hill or Krstic.

Benchwise, neither team is great, but Dallas DOES have the best 6th man in basketball and the guy who just put up some of the most disgusting shooting numbers I've ever seen in a postseason. And I love the versatility that he, Jackson and Hinrich offer at the 1 and 2.

Really, though, the thing that makes me drool over this Las Vegas team isn't the balance offensively or defensively (1-3, that's an elite perimeter D). It's the shooting. Dirk, Hinrich and Terry are all 48% + 3-point shooters and considered elite in that area. To think that they could all be on the floor at the same time is terrifying. How do you defend that?

-Kobe24-TJ19-
09-17-2011, 03:19 AM
vegas, paso's writeup is double-faced

Sportfan
09-17-2011, 02:00 PM
When the hell did I say Michael Beasley is my #2?

4 big issues with El Pasoís writeup:

1. Their analysis of Stephen Jackson. El paso made two mistakes. They tried to confuse voters who are options are and they used their own player as an example to try and prove how bad our player was in this series. When you know Garnett can only handle 32-35mpg and Jordan Hill will be guarding Dirk at some point do you really want to use him as an example of someone who canít score efficiently? In regards to Sjax, we think his versatility as someone who can drive, pass, and shoot would improve his effiency greatly as a #3/#4 option playing off of Dirk and Terry.
32-35? He played 38-39 minutes a game in the Miami Heat series, same minutes that Dirk played in the playoffs. Jordan Hill excuse, really? Who even said he's getting playing time? Teams use 8-9 man rotations in the playoffs, and I guarantee you Lou Will, Posey, Krstic will be out before Hill. Terry will be defending Manu, omgz he's gonna have a great game too!"

3rd, 4th option? I'll be pleased if Jackson is only taking 8-10 shots limited to 10-12 points. But again, who is going to dictate him from changing his game? Certainly not Kirk.

2. In the same writeup they said Big Ben can pull down double digit rebounding numbers but that Nenad Krstic will be playing the majority of center minutes. Iíd respect them more if they took a side and said ďBig Ben will play more of a bench roleĒ or ďBig Ben will play like his old self and get big minutes in this series.Ē You canít play both sides.
It was a quick little change at the end and i forgot to change it, no need to throw a fit over it.

Kirilenko actually outplayed Beasley in their matchups this season. Feel free to post the link. Las Vegas loves that heís your #2. We believe that is a huge part of your downfall in this series. We can throw AK47 and Sjax on him and force an already inefficient scorer into worse shots while he tries to carry the scoring load on a team devoid of scorers in your starting lineup (rondo-kg-bigben)

But Kirilenko is only capable of 32-34 minutes and Beasley can destroy Daye right? :rolleyes: You wanna call my writeup 2-faced, what is this bs? When the 3 of the best passers at their position are on their team things will run smoothly. According to your writeup, when (not if) Rondo gets passed Kirk, Kirilenko and Jackson can slide over. Well that's a great idea , Rondo will kick it out to the perimeter and Manu/Beasley will be knocking wide open jumpers all day yea buddy. El Paso loves the fact that you're #2 is coming off the bench!

4. Posting the career numbers of Dirk and KG is absurd. Donít try and skew the numbers from KGís Minnesota days. Vegas has no trouble sharing those numbers in their writeup. Because as the two have aged, Dirk has gotten better and better to the point where he thrives vs. KG and has demolished him in every matchup since 2010. We are not afraid of KG because the numbers show it just ainít there vs. Dirk. We expect big 4th quarters from our star.
lol. Yea, obviously I'll skew the numbers, what am I supposed to say"Dirk will destroy us, we might as well not even play"? writeups are meant to be biased, and Garnett IS the best defensive PF. And like you said, in the regular season Garnett only played 30ish minutes a few times, that's a good 7-8 minutes where Dirk may have been destroying Big Baby instead?
Dirk has scored more than 30 only once against Garnett in the past 7 years, and he wasn't even that efficient, 13-28 FG, also happend to be KG's 30 minute game. And don't act like there were no problems with your writeup, you called stephen jackson a top perimeter defender, and try using offense as a way of saying Kwame is better than Big Ben lol


I have not voted yet, but SF you're writeup is messed up.



You aren't even taking into consideration the terrible situation he was in with Charlotte. It was basically him and Augustin out there. Their scoring options were severely limited and he had to try to do everything himself. And he won't be relied on as heavily as you say because Vegas has Jet off the bench, who proved to be a formidable number two option this year.

Then you go ahead and knock SJax's efficiency when you have Beasley as your second option and he had a putrid 51 TS%! Are you kidding me? You say SJax is too inefficient as a number two option and you have Beasley as your number two and he's less efficient AND didn't even have 2 win shares.
So you argue Jackson's situation, but ignore Beasley? very intelligent of you.
Beasley has Rondo, Manu, and KG to handle and pass the ball. Jackson actually is handling the ball, which will lead to bad things.

Yea, so it's not like Jackson will be doing much anyway with Terry splitting minutes. Beasley had 5 win shares with an even worse supporting cast. your point? now he's surrounded by winners and smart vets.




You say that Kwame only got 6+ as a starter when Ben got 6.5 as a starter! :laugh2: Kwame isn't pulling down double digit numbers unless he has a time machine because last time I checked you can't rely on him for more than 24 minutes. Beasley pulled down 5.6 boards this year. How is he magically going to go to 7-8?
minutes. ben has the higher rebound %.

agreed

Kevin Love clearly has something to do with that, are you really going to be completely blind and not look at past numbers?


You also conveniantly left out AK's rebounding, because he averages around the same number of rbs as Beasley and has a slightly superior TRB%. You also left out SJax's rebounding. He'll pull down 4-5 a game.

3 year average says no


Yeah because you have uber-efficient Beasley who led his team to a top 5 seed :laugh2:
And you have the unstoppable duo of Melo and Duncan that lead his team.....to a first round exit :sigh:

Westbrook36
09-17-2011, 02:19 PM
When the hell did I say Michael Beasley is my #2?

We can only assume, who is the number two then?


32-35? He played 38-39 minutes a game in the Miami Heat series, same minutes that Dirk played in the playoffs. Jordan Hill excuse, really? Who even said he's getting playing time? Teams use 8-9 man rotations in the playoffs, and I guarantee you Lou Will, Posey, Krstic will be out before Hill. Terry will be defending Manu, omgz he's gonna have a great game too!"

Terry might be playing Manu during different parts, it happens, the Mavericks didn't seem to have too much of a problem with that when they were holding that championship up.


3rd, 4th option? I'll be pleased if Jackson is only taking 8-10 shots limited to 10-12 points. But again, who is going to dictate him from changing his game? Certainly not Kirk.
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It was a quick little change at the end and i forgot to change it, no need to throw a fit over it.

We don't limit our players to the ability to take shots, if they have the chance or have a fantastic look, they will be taking the shot. Obviously he won't have the same type of pressure or need to score when this supporting cast around him, which is a key point. I don't understand why Kirk isn't able to handle the offense either..


But Kirilenko is only capable of 32-34 minutes and Beasley can destroy Daye right? :rolleyes: You wanna call my writeup 2-faced, what is this bs? When the 3 of the best passers at their position are on their team things will run smoothly. According to your writeup, when (not if) Rondo gets passed Kirk, Kirilenko and Jackson can slide over. Well that's a great idea , Rondo will kick it out to the perimeter and Manu/Beasley will be knocking wide open jumpers all day yea buddy. El Paso loves the fact that you're #2 is coming off the bench!

You don't seem to realize that player slide over to protect all the time, it's basic rotation of defense. Of course you'll be saying when Rondo gets past him, which might happen, but Kirk has a edge considering that he doesn't have to deffend the shot that much. You act as if we would be sliding those players over and then noone is able to take for account the rest of the team, defense is played for a reason..We seem to remember a team called the Spurs that happened to have a played called Manu on the roster, odd, he's also on your roster..? I seem to remember that he use to come off the bench..


lol. Yea, obviously I'll skew the numbers, what am I supposed to say"Dirk will destroy us, we might as well not even play"? writeups are meant to be biased, and Garnett IS the best defensive PF. And like you said, in the regular season Garnett only played 30ish minutes a few times, that's a good 7-8 minutes where Dirk may have been destroying Big Baby instead?
Dirk has scored more than 30 only once against Garnett in the past 7 years, and he wasn't even that efficient, 13-28 FG, also happend to be KG's 30 minute game. And don't act like there were no problems with your writeup, you called stephen jackson a top perimeter defender, and try using offense as a way of saying Kwame is better than Big Ben lol

Kevin Garnett, as stated in our write-up, realisticly can't handle a massive amount of minutes anymore. We've already shown how well Dirk has played in the last two years against KG, nothing eles needs to be said. How isn't Stephen Jackson a top perimeter defender? Name 10 better ones and I'd be surprised to see a whole list of ten. Big Ben isn't the same player he was in the past, obviously you can't push that many minutes on him. Offensively Kwame is better then Big Ben, what's the problem with saying that?


So you argue Jackson's situation, but ignore Beasley? very intelligent of you.
Beasley has Rondo, Manu, and KG to handle and pass the ball. Jackson actually is handling the ball, which will lead to bad things.

Dirk is a fantastic ball handler, and Kirk Hinrich should be able to handle the ball, as much as you'd like to deny that. Jason Terry and AK-47 also are able to push the ball around to different key players and contribute in that fashion.


Yea, so it's not like Jackson will be doing much anyway with Terry splitting minutes. Beasley had 5 win shares with an even worse supporting cast. your point? now he's surrounded by winners and smart vets.

I forgot that Stephen Jackson isn't able to play small forward during different parts.


minutes. ben has the higher rebound %.

You can't push the minutes on Big Ben, that's the point..


agreed

Kevin Love clearly has something to do with that, are you really going to be completely blind and not look at past numbers?


3 year average says no

And you have the unstoppable duo of Melo and Duncan that lead his team.....to a first round exit :sigh:

Don't care enough about a small difference in rebounding numbers to actually average them out.

Ill21
09-17-2011, 03:04 PM
Vegas. El Paso does not have enough scoring threats.

Catfish1314
09-17-2011, 05:35 PM
I don't know how the ball moves for that Vegas team. Terry and Kirk are both SGs in PG bodies, Jackson is a turnover machine, and no one else is an ample source of ball distribution. Vegas would be much better with Devin Harris running the show. For those of you who don't know, he is an outstanding defender as evidenced by his performance in the 2006 playoffs with the Mavericks.

I won't vote yet though because El Paso has some serious issues of their own. Severe lack of size for starters.

phlp_bj
09-17-2011, 06:53 PM
bump

Westbrook36
09-18-2011, 01:59 AM
Seems as if this is getting closer and not much is being said..Bump for the night

Greet
09-18-2011, 09:09 AM
The only way I could see Las Vegas winning is if Dirk goes beastmode in a game.

Sportfan
09-18-2011, 12:19 PM
We can only assume, who is the number two then?
I don't need a distinctive #2, any of Rondo, Beasley KG, lou will, could be 2nd in scoring, depends on who gets the best look.




Terry might be playing Manu during different parts, it happens, the Mavericks didn't seem to have too much of a problem with that when they were holding that championship up.
shouts out to jason kidd who was defending the wings.




We don't limit our players to the ability to take shots, if they have the chance or have a fantastic look, they will be taking the shot. Obviously he won't have the same type of pressure or need to score when this supporting cast around him, which is a key point. I don't understand why Kirk isn't able to handle the offense either..


except, it's hard to imagine getting good looks with a great defense to deal with, and Kirk isn't exactly a distributor. he was terrible last year.
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ou don't seem to realize that player slide over to protect all the time, it's basic rotation of defense. Of course you'll be saying when Rondo gets past him, which might happen, but Kirk has a edge considering that he doesn't have to deffend the shot that much. You act as if we would be sliding those players over and then noone is able to take for account the rest of the team, defense is played for a reason..We seem to remember a team called the Spurs that happened to have a played called Manu on the roster, odd, he's also on your roster..? I seem to remember that he use to come off the bench..
if it was that easy, why hasn't rondo been stopped?

yes they did, at the expense of their star players (duncan and parker) playing less than 36 minutes. What exactly is the minute distribution for your team?



Kevin Garnett, as stated in our write-up, realisticly can't handle a massive amount of minutes anymore. We've already shown how well Dirk has played in the last two years against KG, nothing eles needs to be said. How isn't Stephen Jackson a top perimeter defender? Name 10 better ones and I'd be surprised to see a whole list of ten. Big Ben isn't the same player he was in the past, obviously you can't push that many minutes on him. Offensively Kwame is better then Big Ben, what's the problem with saying that?

alright
Lebron
Tony Allen
Manu
Dwayne Wade
Jason Kidd
Shawn Marion
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Chris Paul
Rajon Rondo
Shane Battier
Andre Igloudala
Paul Pierce
Gerald Wallace
Ronnie Brewer
Thabo Selfelosha
Luol Deng

shall i keep going?

he's good for 24-30 minutes, and we have krstic too who's much better offensively than kwame.

because neither will be scoring anyway.



Dirk is a fantastic ball handler, and Kirk Hinrich should be able to handle the ball, as much as you'd like to deny that. Jason Terry and AK-47 also are able to push the ball around to different key players and contribute in that fashion.

catfish seems to agree



I forgot that Stephen Jackson isn't able to play small forward during different parts.
less kirilenko? im cool with that




You can't push the minutes on Big Ben, that's the point..



Don't care enough about a small difference in rebounding numbers to actually average them out.
alright than krstic

i averaged them out for you, and beasley wins so there.

Vegas. El Paso does not have enough scoring threats.
but neither will vegas with the defense against them



don't see the size issue either. Beasley is huge for a SF. Manu and KG are good size, Rondo and Big Ben may be a little undersized but when has that ever stopped them?

KnicksorBust
09-18-2011, 12:32 PM
Tev dodd is an illegal vote. 24-22 Vegas. Close game. :)

Sportfan
09-18-2011, 12:41 PM
i hate how all these people vote, but only like 3 of them make a post. ruins the point

KnicksorBust
09-18-2011, 12:44 PM
I don't need a distinctive #2, any of Rondo, Beasley KG, lou will, could be 2nd in scoring, depends on who gets the best look.



Rondo-KG-Lou Will proved last season they are not #2's. Now in the conference finals you are banking on them ? I just don't buy it. Beasley is your only bankable consistent scorer and he is a ball stopper and the fact that he couldn't mesh his game with Wade (who entered the league as the consumate teammate and shared the ball with Caron Butler and Lamar Odom with no problem) speaks VOLUMES.



except, it's hard to imagine getting good looks with a great defense to deal with, and Kirk isn't exactly a distributor. he was terrible last year.
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if it was that easy, why hasn't rondo been stopped?



Hinrich was terrible last year?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=rondora01&y1=2011&p2=hinriki01&y2

He significantly outperformed Rondo in TS% (49% to 54%), eFG%, comparable rebounder, and had a lower Turnover % than Rondo. I don't know where you get off saying "why hasn't Rondo been stopped?" You make him sound like he's Dwyane Wade. Rondo has had trouble with lengthy defenders who play off him and vs. the Heat series he was exposed. I could definately see us throwing SJax on him in spurts while Manu is on the bench. He's clearly more skilled than Kirk but he can't space the floor, or be expected to score consistently. That is a recipe for failure. Rondo can't be a #2 scorer either.



yes they did, at the expense of their star players (duncan and parker) playing less than 36 minutes. What exactly is the minute distribution for your team?



Dirk - 40s
Terry/Sjax/AK47 - Mid/High 30s
Kirk/Kwame - High 20s/Low30s
Jason Thompson - Mid 20s
Livingston/Daye/Tolliver - Spot Minutes

Greet
09-18-2011, 12:51 PM
Dirk - 40s
Terry/Sjax/AK47 - Mid/High 30s
Kirk/Kwame - High 20s/Low30s
Jason Thompson - Mid 20s
Livingston/Daye/Tolliver - Spot Minutes

So you're going to have 20 minutes a game with an actual PG out there, then who's going to dribble and distribute the ball when Kirk is out? Your back-up PG is a 6th man 2-guard.....

KnicksorBust
09-18-2011, 01:15 PM
So you're going to have 20 minutes a game with an actual PG out there, then who's going to dribble and distribute the ball when Kirk is out? Your back-up PG is a 6th man 2-guard.....

Closer to 30 but I'm confused. Derek Fisher can be a championship PG who plays tough D and spaces the floor but Kirk Hinrich can't? Jason Terry is an excellent ball handler who runs sets with Dirk all the time in Dallas. He has a career average of 4.7 apg. Even Stephen Jackson has averaged 6.5 APG in Golden State in 2009. That's why we loved the idea of drafting Hinrich to play the point.

29$JerZ
09-18-2011, 01:36 PM
I vote Vegas
El Paso has no answer for Dirk and I like Vegas depth more

koLohe2133
09-18-2011, 01:40 PM
Voted paso.

Rondo's penetration will open up Beas and Manu who can make it rain.

Posey can help slow down dirk(see: 2006).

And he has Brian scalabrine.

29$JerZ
09-18-2011, 01:49 PM
Voted paso.

Rondo's penetration will open up Beas and Manu who can make it rain.

Posey can help slow down dirk(see: 2006).

And he has Brian scalabrine.

So KG and Wallace can't slow down Dirk but Posey can? Not buying that

koLohe2133
09-18-2011, 02:05 PM
Key word is help....read it all meat.

As in, the rotation is good and together they can help slow him down....

phlp_bj
09-18-2011, 02:44 PM
bump

Westbrook36
09-18-2011, 03:21 PM
Voted paso.

Rondo's penetration will open up Beas and Manu who can make it rain.

Posey can help slow down dirk(see: 2006).
And he has Brian scalabrine.

Is this serious?

Greet
09-18-2011, 05:07 PM
Closer to 30 but I'm confused. Derek Fisher can be a championship PG who plays tough D and spaces the floor but Kirk Hinrich can't? Jason Terry is an excellent ball handler who runs sets with Dirk all the time in Dallas. He has a career average of 4.7 apg. Even Stephen Jackson has averaged 6.5 APG in Golden State in 2009. That's why we loved the idea of drafting Hinrich to play the point.

I never took anything away from Kirk Hinrich, I'm just saying you don't have a true back-up PG. Sure Terry runs sets with Dirk, but the majority of the time he isn't out there playing point. He's a 6th man, and very good at it. Putting him at the point takes away from his value.

Stephen Jackson isn't good anymore, inefficient offensively and terrible defensively. Sure he'll probably benefit a little bit from not being the #1 option on the team, but he won't be like the old S-Jax.

Sportfan
09-18-2011, 05:23 PM
Still lol'ing at Jackson being a top 10 defender.

Westbrook36
09-18-2011, 05:29 PM
Still lol'ing at Jackson being a top 10 defender.

If you really want me to respond to the nonsense you posted, then I will.

I laughed out loud quite a few time at your entire write-up, and I'll stand by Jackson being a top 10 perimeter defender.

Greet
09-18-2011, 05:35 PM
If you really want me to respond to the nonsense you posted, then I will.

I laughed out loud quite a few time at your entire write-up, and I'll stand by Jackson being a top 10 perimeter defender.

Relax with Jackson being a top 10 perimeter defender. That's a joke.

Westbrook36
09-18-2011, 05:41 PM
I don't need a distinctive #2, any of Rondo, Beasley KG, lou will, could be 2nd in scoring, depends on who gets the best look.

I suppose you can go into a situation without a number two option, generally most teams like to already have that figured out.


shouts out to jason kidd who was defending the wings.

Shouts out to Kirk Hinrich defending the wings


except, it's hard to imagine getting good looks with a great defense to deal with, and Kirk isn't exactly a distributor. he was terrible last year.
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if it was that easy, why hasn't rondo been stopped?

As KOB posted, the numbers actually show that Kirk Hinrich wasn't terrible last season, nice attempt though. I've never said it's going to be easy to stop Rondo, but you posted about some crap, acting like Rondo was going to breeze by, which you still think.


yes they did, at the expense of their star players (duncan and parker) playing less than 36 minutes. What exactly is the minute distribution for your team?

KOB answered this one



alright
Lebron
Tony Allen
Manu
Dwayne Wade
Jason Kidd
Shawn Marion
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Chris Paul
Rajon Rondo
Shane Battier
Andre Igloudala
Paul Pierce
Gerald Wallace
Ronnie Brewer
Thabo Selfelosha
Luol Deng
shall i keep going?

Shane Battier has fallen off lately as a being a top notch defender, also I wasn't aware that point guards were going to be put into this equation. I don't know if I'd call Shawn Marion a better one either, few other questionable ones.


he's good for 24-30 minutes, and we have krstic too who's much better offensively than kwame.

because neither will be scoring anyway.

We also have Jason Thompson who is much better then Krstic in my view.


catfish seems to agree

I've never been one to care, quite frankly, that's fine if that's his view. KOB already did explain that.


less kirilenko? im cool with that

You do realize we have plenty of minutes to push around, AK-47 can also play PF during spurts of the game (Don't even respond to this one cause all it's going to be is. "KG vs Ak-47, I'm cool with that."



alright than krstic

Then don't hype up Big Ben as if he's going to be something special in this matchup.


i averaged them out for you, and beasley wins so there.

He wins barely, and you could also account that into Beasley in the past playing with lesser rebounders. You can take that into the opposite angle of which you presented.


but neither will vegas with the defense against them

Not really


don't see the size issue either. Beasley is huge for a SF. Manu and KG are good size, Rondo and Big Ben may be a little undersized but when has that ever stopped them?

Doesn't concern me.

Sadds The Gr8
09-18-2011, 05:43 PM
wow el paso stole the lead late

Greet
09-18-2011, 05:46 PM
Lou Williams could be a #2 option on offense. His stats (when looked at closely) are like Monta Ellis'.

Westbrook36
09-18-2011, 05:48 PM
Relax with Jackson being a top 10 perimeter defender. That's a joke.

I don't understand how that's a joke, besides you saying it. Which you haven't proven to have any type of decent opinion at all.


I never took anything away from Kirk Hinrich, I'm just saying you don't have a true back-up PG. Sure Terry runs sets with Dirk, but the majority of the time he isn't out there playing point. He's a 6th man, and very good at it. Putting him at the point takes away from his value.

Stephen Jackson isn't good anymore, inefficient offensively and terrible defensively. Sure he'll probably benefit a little bit from not being the #1 option on the team, but he won't be like the old S-Jax.

You act as if Jason Terry will only be seeing minutes at PG, I don't quite understand that. Cosidering that he does see minutes at the PG position with the Mavericks, we'll be able to flip around players plenty.

I'm positive you didn't read the write-up when we already posted numbers concerning Stephen Jackson, or did you simply look around that part? Isn't a more efficent Stephen Jackson the older Jackson? Wouldn't that mean he'd be playing his older style where he didn't have to force the ball on awful teams? You saying he is awful defensively made me laugh out loud.

Westbrook36
09-18-2011, 05:50 PM
wow el paso stole the lead late

I'm very interested to see what some of the GM's who voted for El Paso have to say. Usually a lot of them speak up about why they voted for which team, for whatever reason that didn't happen here.

It's 28-26, but yeah, few more hours left
*Tev vote doesn't count and Raps changed vote*

KnicksorBust
09-18-2011, 06:03 PM
Relax with Jackson being a top 10 perimeter defender. That's a joke.

Agree to disagree. Last season Jackson held opponents to a 35%FG shooting in iso situations and only 38%FG overall. He has that rare combination of size/speed/strength that allows him to guard multiple positions and force players out of their comfort zone.

Westbrook36
09-18-2011, 07:06 PM
Let's see some more votes and people explaining

NYKalltheway
09-18-2011, 07:12 PM
Very low scoring series (unless the refs decide to hand 35 FTs to each team :laugh: ). Not only because of the defensive players' presence, but also due to the fact that both teams have limited depth. I can't see anyone worth playing in a conference final series after the 7th player of each team :p


I was quite undecided on whether El Paso's defense can overcome Vegas' offense, but then something struck to me. Kirilenko is going to be the so called 'x factor' in these series. Great defender and good offensive player, Beasley cannot contain him imo with the current setup of El Paso, while Garnett will be stuck like glue to Dirk and there'd be quite a pathway for AK47 to slash in. He's also a very good shooter when open, and I can see Beasley trying to double team Dirk with KG at some point in the game.

Slight edge to Las Vegas.

Sadds The Gr8
09-18-2011, 07:26 PM
I'm very interested to see what some of the GM's who voted for El Paso have to say. Usually a lot of them speak up about why they voted for which team, for whatever reason that didn't happen here.

It's 28-26, but yeah, few more hours left
*Tev vote doesn't count and Raps changed vote*

Voted paso.

Rondo's penetration will open up Beas and Manu who can make it rain.

Posey can help slow down dirk(see: 2006).

And he has Brian scalabrine.
lol people who make stupid statements like that get a say in this result. that must be a pissoff.

PC
09-18-2011, 07:41 PM
I have serious concerns with how El Paso can score the ball without a true #1 option. As noted in KoB's writeup, Manu's a guy that logs in roughly 30 minutes a night which means Beasley's going to have to pick up the load and with his inefficiency, I could see El Paso really struggling to put up points. I just feel like Vegas, with a true #1 option in Dirk and a very good #2 guy in Jax, can score in a more balanced approach and hurt you in more ways offensively.

Defensively, both teams are very solid. Vegas gets the edge in perimeter defense (1-3 are all good at perimeter d) but El Paso has them beat down low. At the end of the day though, I think Vegas can get away with it because KG's a shell of his former self and Big Ben has never been a threat offensively.

Overall I'm giving the edge to Vegas.

Bruno
09-18-2011, 09:22 PM
Very close, but I went Vegas. I agree with KOBs criticism of the Stephen Jackson analysis. I think his efficiency goes up as the #3 option. I think Jackson also slows down Manu. Vegas also has the best player, the best closer and better three-point shooting.

Paso is very talented, but their staring line-up has no floor spreaders. I like Vegas offensive balance. Again, very close all around, good teams.

blake20696
09-18-2011, 09:22 PM
wallace is better than brown, nuff said, El Paso wins.

Sportfan
09-18-2011, 09:29 PM
I suppose you can go into a situation without a number two option, generally most teams like to already have that figured out.

well with the team players we have we have the luxury to make everyone else look good, so yea that's nice.



Shouts out to Kirk Hinrich defending the wing
only playing 20ish minutes though?




As KOB posted, the numbers actually show that Kirk Hinrich wasn't terrible last season, nice attempt though. I've never said it's going to be easy to stop Rondo, but you posted about some crap, acting like Rondo was going to breeze by, which you still think.

Well he didn't help the hawks at all. His net production was -14. ew.





Shane Battier has fallen off lately as a being a top notch defender, also I wasn't aware that point guards were going to be put into this equation. I don't know if I'd call Shawn Marion a better one either, few other questionable ones.

Battier and Marion aren't that great, but they are ahead of Jackson easily.


We also have Jason Thompson who is much better then Krstic in my view.
i like krstic's O game more, and thompson only gets spot minutes so...


I've never been one to care, quite frankly, that's fine if that's his view. KOB already did explain that.




You do realize we have plenty of minutes to push around, AK-47 can also play PF during spurts of the game (Don't even respond to this one cause all it's going to be is. "KG vs Ak-47, I'm cool with that."
no post D to worry about? im cool with that ;)




Then don't hype up Big Ben as if he's going to be something special in this matchup.

You did the same with Kwame :shrug:



He wins barely, and you could also account that into Beasley in the past playing with lesser rebounders. You can take that into the opposite angle of which you presented.
you can take the opposite angle of any point you make in a game based on imaginary teams



Not really
yes really


Doesn't concern me.[/QUOTE]
huh?

Lou Williams could be a #2 option on offense. His stats (when looked at closely) are like Monta Ellis'.
That might be taking it a little too far, but Lou will is one hell of a scorer no doubt.

Very low scoring series (unless the refs decide to hand 35 FTs to each team :laugh: ). Not only because of the defensive players' presence, but also due to the fact that both teams have limited depth. I can't see anyone worth playing in a conference final series after the 7th player of each team :p


I was quite undecided on whether El Paso's defense can overcome Vegas' offense, but then something struck to me. Kirilenko is going to be the so called 'x factor' in these series. Great defender and good offensive player, Beasley cannot contain him imo with the current setup of El Paso, while Garnett will be stuck like glue to Dirk and there'd be quite a pathway for AK47 to slash in. He's also a very good shooter when open, and I can see Beasley trying to double team Dirk with KG at some point in the game.

Slight edge to Las Vegas.
lou will, posey , krstic?

beasley isn't even that bad of a defender. he's mediocre at worst. kirilenko might have a few more than average points, but he's not going to have a crazy great series.

Sportfan
09-18-2011, 09:34 PM
wait since when can you change your votes? unless it's accidental, you can't vote for a team and then decide later to change your mind. never seen that happen before, raps should count as my vote

Sportfan
09-18-2011, 10:04 PM
36-33 lead come on, lets hold on!

KnicksorBust
09-18-2011, 10:07 PM
35-34 :cool: but with 2 minutes left looks like you're safe.

Sportfan
09-18-2011, 10:15 PM
:worthy: what a matchup