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es0terik
09-14-2011, 07:13 PM
Tampa Bay Rays
(82-65)

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Boston Red Sox
(86-62)

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Game 1
September 15 | 7:10 PM EST

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Jeremy Hellickson
Wins: 12 | Losses: 10 | ERA: 2.96

Kyle Weiland
Wins: 0 | Losses: 1 | ERA: 6.75



Game 2
September 16 | 7:10 PM EST

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James Shields
Wins: 15 | Losses: 10 | ERA: 2.70

Josh Beckett
Wins: 12 | Losses: 5 | ERA: 2.49



Game 3
September 17 | 4:10 PM EST

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Jeff Niemann
Wins: 10 | Losses: 7 | ERA: 3.97

Jon Lester
Wins: 15 | Losses: 7 | ERA: 3.07



Game 4
September 18 | 1:35 PM EST

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David Price
Wins: 12 | Losses: 12 | ERA: 3.34

Tim Wakefield
Wins: 7 | Losses: 6 | ERA: 5.13

*Note: I know this is the MLB forum, I just feel that this may very well be the most important series of the entire 2011 season, so it deserves universal discussion. I know that there was a Game Day thread made for Strasburg's debut in the MLB forum a year ago, and that was let by, so I'm guessing this should be okay. And no I'm not a fan of neither Rays nor Red Sox. I'm a Blue Jays fan, but like many others, I'm very interested to see how this series goes down.

*Note 2: I also know there are some rules and regulations about images in posts, so if there's anything wrong with having these headshots in the post, just tell me or PM me, and I'll remove them.

*Note 3: Stole the Alyssa Milano idea from Twitchy and StealingSigns.

Jeffy25
09-14-2011, 07:47 PM
"I know this is the MLB forum, I just feel that this may very well be the most important series of the entire 2011 season, so it deserves universal discussion."


I agree, it's fine and I support a game day thread for this and any other series that might affect the playoffs greatly.

StayOnBoard
09-14-2011, 07:48 PM
"I know this is the MLB forum, I just feel that this may very well be the most important series of the entire 2011 season, so it deserves universal discussion."


I agree, it's fine and I support a game day thread for this and any other series that might affect the playoffs greatly.

I agree - this will be a very interesting series.

A series win by the Red Sox and the Rays are going home. A series win by the Rays and the Sox are reeling and Rays do the near impossible.

I am looking forward to seeing the outcome.

jd25213
09-14-2011, 07:53 PM
This going to be a big series, much like the 5 game series between boston and New York back in Aug. of 2006 was or the 3 game series at the end of the 2005 season.

Rylinkus
09-14-2011, 07:54 PM
Big time series. I'm pumped. I feel like the Rays should take 2 or 3 based on pitching matchups.

Pavelb1
09-14-2011, 07:55 PM
Well cool. I'm glad this has approval to be opened up to the MLB community at large. Hopefully it lasts a few days before it gets ugly.

And the five game series wasn't big in 2006. Yank fans may not have been aware of it, but the Sox were dead men walking. It was over when they lost 5 out of 6 to the Devil Rays and Royals, and in ugly fashion.

NYYCowboys
09-14-2011, 07:58 PM
They key game to the series will be game 2 where Shields faces Beckett. If Tampa is able to take this game it could get ugly for the Red Sawx.

es0terik
09-14-2011, 07:58 PM
Yeah I feel like, unless it's a split, this series will be incredibly important towards the outlook of the playoffs.

jd25213
09-14-2011, 07:58 PM
Well cool. I'm glad this has approval to be opened up to the MLB community at large. Hopefully it lasts a few days before it gets ugly.

And the five game series wasn't big in 2006. Yank fans may not have been aware of it, but the Sox were dead men walking. It was over when they lost 5 out of 6 to the Devil Rays and Royals, and in ugly fashion.

I just remember the sweep and how you guys missed the playoffs.

es0terik
09-14-2011, 08:08 PM
If they split this series, I'll be dissapointed. Would be so boring.

Though I think a split series wouldn't upset the Red Sox too much. Maintain their lead, with four less games left to play. I feel like if Tampa is going to do anything, this is the series they have to do it in.

es0terik
09-14-2011, 08:10 PM
Tampa leading Baltimore 2-1 in the fourth. Sox already lost to the Jays today.

es0terik
09-14-2011, 08:15 PM
Chris Davis 3-Run Homer lol...

Orioles up 4-2 now, thanks to a homer.

Deja Vu..

StriveGreatness
09-14-2011, 08:21 PM
Hope the Rays sweep.

Go Rays!

carnage101
09-14-2011, 08:23 PM
i see boston losing 3 our of 4, damn chris davis... could you imagine if the yankees clinch before their series vs tampa. and we just sit our guys. that's a giant FU to boston ahhahahahha

fadedmario
09-14-2011, 08:28 PM
"I know this is the MLB forum, I just feel that this may very well be the most important series of the entire 2011 season, so it deserves universal discussion."


I agree, it's fine and I support a game day thread for this and any other series that might affect the playoffs greatly.

Go Rays!!!

F*(&"Next Year"
09-14-2011, 08:40 PM
Go Red Sox?

es0terik
09-14-2011, 08:55 PM
Gotta admit I'm cheering for the Rays here. Though that might hurt me in the butt later. If the Rays win, they might be a bigger threat next year. All the while, if Red Sox don't make the play-offs, they might take a completely different, even more aggressive off-season which would only hurt the Jays.

2009mvp
09-14-2011, 08:55 PM
Matt Moore up in the pen in Baltimore!

"Ace"ves
09-14-2011, 08:56 PM
HUGE SERIES

Both teams are scary in the playoffs (ya know... when guys step up and short series anything can happen). I think the Rays are scarier in the ALCS right now... but ALDS is a toss up to me cause the Red Sox have Lester and Beckett with a sick offense

es0terik
09-14-2011, 09:04 PM
Tampa still losing 4-2 in the seventh.

es0terik
09-14-2011, 09:20 PM
edit: woops wrong thread.

Pavelb1
09-14-2011, 09:22 PM
The Price is Wrong, Moore!

es0terik
09-14-2011, 09:26 PM
Good news for Boston fans, as Tampa is losing 6-2 with not much gametime left.

jd25213
09-14-2011, 09:30 PM
O's sure like to end teams seasons.

fadedmario
09-14-2011, 09:41 PM
Tampa needed that game they just lost.

es0terik
09-14-2011, 09:44 PM
Yeah they did. The O's are the most annoying team in the majors. They're quickly becoming my least favorite team lol. Lose all season long, and then start beating all the wrong teams at the stupidest point in the season. So useless.

F*(&"Next Year"
09-14-2011, 10:01 PM
I love the Orioles. They're better than the tigers.

1903
09-14-2011, 10:08 PM
Rays sweep.

Melo15
09-14-2011, 10:09 PM
I'm surprised so many fans from various AL playoff teams are rooting for the Rays. With the way they've been playing compared to the Red Sox you'd think they would rather face us. Especially when you factor in the Rays pitching vs. ours.

1903
09-14-2011, 10:12 PM
I'm surprised so many fans from various AL playoff teams are rooting for the Rays. With the way they've been playing compared to the Red Sox you'd think they would rather face us. Especially when you factor in the Rays pitching vs. ours.

I just really think they will take this series. I said sweep but 3/4 would not surprise me.

Bo Sox Fan
09-14-2011, 10:19 PM
Rays sweep.

Texas tunes in New York in 4 games of first round.

Red Sox get Verlander'd.

Milwaukee stuns Philadelphia in 7 games of the NLCS.

Milwaukee Brewers defeat the Detroit Tigers to win the 2011 World Series.

Point being, it doesn't matter what the Red Sox or Rays do this series.

1903
09-14-2011, 10:22 PM
Texas tunes in New York in 4 games of first round.

Red Sox get Verlander'd.

Milwaukee stuns Philadelphia in 7 games of the NLCS.

Milwaukee Brewers defeat the Detroit Tigers to win the 2011 World Series.

Point being, it doesn't matter what the Red Sox or Rays do this series.

Unless the Rays takeover the WC and sting the Tigers. CC goes 4-0 in the ALCS and we have a 2009 rematch with the Phillies. Cano uses Matsui's bat and has 4 consecutive 6 RBI games. Yankees 2011 WS champs.

F*(&"Next Year"
09-14-2011, 10:24 PM
I just really think they will take this series. I said sweep but 3/4 would not surprise me.

A sweep wouldnt surprise you? Get real. A sweep when Beckett and Lester both toe the rubber would surprise most people.

Melo15
09-14-2011, 10:25 PM
I just really think they will take this series. I said sweep but 3/4 would not surprise me.

That wasn't directed towards you, there's been a ton of people rooting for the Rays to get it. As far as this series, seeing the Rays take 3/4 wouldn't surprise me at all. Our pitching is awful right now, starters and relievers, and we keep losing key guys to injuries. Ortiz missing games with back spasms, Youk is clearly hurting, A-Gon leaving the game today, all in all things are stacking up in the Rays favor. This could have been a very bad day for the Sox. Blowing the lead against the Jays gave the Rays a nice opportunity to pick up a game but they missed out. I'm just hoping the Sox can split this series.

1903
09-14-2011, 10:28 PM
A sweep wouldnt surprise you? Get real. A sweep when Beckett and Lester both toe the rubber would surprise most people.

The pitchers that are opposing them are not exactly scrubs.

Hellickson > Weiland
Shields > Beckett
Lester > Neimann
Price > Wakefield.

How is that surprising?

F*(&"Next Year"
09-14-2011, 10:28 PM
Sig bet: I say Rays will NOT sweep the Sox. Any takers?

Itll be a short sig bet since I am already in another one for the end of the season.

Bo Sox Fan
09-14-2011, 10:39 PM
I'm gonna go on a hunch and say the Red Sox put the hammer down and grind out a grueling 3 victory's out of a possible 4, no matter who's on the mound for either team. This Sox team tends to surprise you when you least expect it.

Melo15
09-14-2011, 10:44 PM
I don't know, I get how some people think there could be a Rays sweep. Beckett has a tough match-up coming back from his ankle injury against Shields and Lester pitched like **** last time vs. the Rays. I think the Sox will find a way to split but that's just my optimism speaking.

Rylinkus
09-14-2011, 10:44 PM
A sweep wouldnt surprise you? Get real. A sweep when Beckett and Lester both toe the rubber would surprise most people.

A sweep wouldn't surprise me. Beckett is pitching against a good pitcher in Shields. I don't think it takes much of a stretch for Shields to out pitch Beckett. Lester should be the gimme game for the Sox. But given that there's only one game like that for Boston, I would not be shocked if Lester happened to have a bad game and lose. I do think Boston wins a game or 2. But a Sox sweep would shock me more than a Rays sweep.Mostly due to pitching matchups and Sox injuries.

Pavelb1
09-15-2011, 01:10 AM
I'm gonna go on a hunch and say the Red Sox put the hammer down and grind out a grueling 3 victory's out of a possible 4, no matter who's on the mound for either team. This Sox team tends to surprise you when you least expect it.

True. They surprised me by going 2-10, and they've surprised me by not winning back to back games since August 24th.

Pinstripe pride
09-15-2011, 09:17 AM
i think best case for the red sox is a split. i'm leaning more towards 3-1 tampa. i doubt they pull off a sweep, but boston better be careful. i think if tampa over takes them at all, they wont be getting it back.

Pinstripe pride
09-15-2011, 09:19 AM
A sweep wouldnt surprise you? Get real. A sweep when Beckett and Lester both toe the rubber would surprise most people.

boston is struggling as of late, with some key guys perfroming lousy. tampa is one opf the hottest teams in baseball.



so yes, a sweep would not be surprising. no one is saying it will defiently happen, but my mind wouldn't be blwon if it happens

es0terik
09-15-2011, 10:40 AM
Boston isn't doing as bad as people think. They have a lot of wrong things going for them all at once, but whenever they get into a groove, they really bring the big guns. Over the last two series against the Jays (6 games), the Red Sox lost four of them. But the two that they won, they scored 32 runs total. They beat them 14-0 in one game, and 18-6 in another. So when they win, they win big. If Tampa isn't bringing their A game, they've got to know that the Red Sox won't just give them the series. This is going to be a battle, and a very exciting series.

Jeffy25
09-15-2011, 10:42 AM
Tampa did just lose their last two to Baltimore.

Both teams need this series, a split is in favor of Boston.

Tampa has to win at least 3

Boston winning 3 is huge for them.

F*(&"Next Year"
09-15-2011, 10:55 AM
Boston sweep. Jussayin.

Pinstripe pride
09-15-2011, 10:58 AM
Boston isn't doing as bad as people think. They have a lot of wrong things going for them all at once, but whenever they get into a groove, they really bring the big guns. Over the last two series against the Jays (6 games), the Red Sox lost four of them. But the two that they won, they scored 32 runs total. They beat them 14-0 in one game, and 18-6 in another. So when they win, they win big. If Tampa isn't bringing their A game, they've got to know that the Red Sox won't just give them the series. This is going to be a battle, and a very exciting series.

how they are playing seems irrelavent at this point, they aren;t winning. they can play greta and lose, and still be on the outside looking in for the playoffs. tampa is playign great and winning, its cause for concern

Pinstripe pride
09-15-2011, 10:59 AM
Tampa did just lose their last two to Baltimore.

Both teams need this series, a split is in favor of Boston.

Tampa has to win at least 3

Boston winning 3 is huge for them.

tampas done if that happens


Boston sweep. Jussayin.

no chance in hell that happens

TheRuckus
09-15-2011, 11:01 AM
I figure the Rays will take three of four.

Pittz
09-15-2011, 12:46 PM
Texas tunes in New York in 4 games of first round.

Red Sox get Verlander'd.

Milwaukee stuns Philadelphia in 7 games of the NLCS.

Milwaukee Brewers defeat the Detroit Tigers to win the 2011 World Series.

Point being, it doesn't matter what the Red Sox or Rays do this series.

So, because you came up with a completely random scenario, this series doesn't matter?

TheRuckus
09-15-2011, 12:47 PM
So, because you came up with a completely random scenario, this series doesn't matter?

Exactly. I don't even know why you questioned it.

OneTuzSea
09-15-2011, 12:53 PM
So, because you came up with a completely random scenario, this series doesn't matter?

Mariners win 100 games in last couple weeks of season and win World Series. This Red Sox / Rays series doesn't even matter.

ManRam
09-15-2011, 12:54 PM
If the Sox win 1 they're basically 100% certain to make the playoffs.

After this, Tampa plays NYY 7 times and Baltimore 3 times. We on the other hand play Baltimore 7 times and NYY 3 times. That's a very favorable schedule for us.

Even if we just win 1 and leave 2 games up, well, I'll still have a good amount of confidence.

A sweep by the Rays is the only way I start panicking. I'm worried, just because our staff is so awful right now, but not panicking yet.

Good to have Beckett back.

VRP723
09-15-2011, 01:03 PM
Rays Sweep!!!!!

Pittz
09-15-2011, 01:17 PM
Rays Sweep!!!!!

H8r.

Toxeryll
09-15-2011, 01:18 PM
Rays own the Red Sox

F*(&"Next Year"
09-15-2011, 01:23 PM
This thread is gunna be epic once the games get started. Sox against the world!

VRP723
09-15-2011, 01:24 PM
Can you really blame the world though?

AI
09-15-2011, 01:25 PM
I'd be good with a split. As long as the Rays don't take 3/4 or dare I say it, sweep, then we are golden.

AI
09-15-2011, 01:25 PM
Can you really blame the world though?

Yes, everybody loves the Sox :rolleyes:

ManRam
09-15-2011, 01:30 PM
VRP's rooting against us, so we're fine. Basically, whatever teams he roots for (Dodgers, OSU, Indians, whatever crappy NFL team he likes) fails. Whatever teams he roots against (mainly UConn) succeeds. We're golden. I'd be worried if he were rooting for us.

F*(&"Next Year"
09-15-2011, 01:33 PM
Dear Baseball Gods,
Please do not reverse the VRP curse.
Thank you in advanced.
-FNY

VRP723
09-15-2011, 01:34 PM
Lies! Duke wins sometimes!

TheRuckus
09-15-2011, 01:37 PM
Rays Sweep!!!!!

:up:


VRP's rooting against us, so we're fine. Basically, whatever teams he roots for (Dodgers, OSU, Indians, whatever crappy NFL team he likes) fails. Whatever teams he roots against (mainly UConn) succeeds. We're golden. I'd be worried if he were rooting for us.

Vikings. :laugh:

****. VRP, start rooting for Boston immediately.

Pittz
09-15-2011, 01:37 PM
VRP is a bad person.

DodgerB24
09-15-2011, 01:46 PM
Please wins Rays.

Jetsguy
09-15-2011, 01:47 PM
3-1 rays

AI
09-15-2011, 01:56 PM
I could see the Rays taking 3/4. I mean, we have Weiland and Wakefield going this series which are almost guaranteed L's, plus they'd only have to get to one of Beckett/Lester to win the series so it's a definite possibility.

ManRam
09-15-2011, 01:58 PM
I could see the Rays taking 3/4. I mean, we have Weiland and Wakefield going this series which are almost guaranteed L's, plus they'd only have to get to one of Beckett/Lester to win the series so it's a definite possibility.

Yeah. I'll be pumped, at this point, with a split. A split would be fine...still would leave up 4 with 10 games left...and an easier schedule than they have. I would be a little surprised if we won 3 or 4 of these. 2 sounds about right.

Even one win isn't the end of the world. We'd still be up 2...

We just can't get swept...then we can panic.

Toxeryll
09-15-2011, 02:05 PM
TB sweeeeeeeeeep

Towelie
09-15-2011, 02:07 PM
All the Sox have to do is win 1. Thats about it.

rkelly7
09-15-2011, 02:39 PM
If the Sox win 1 they're basically 100% certain to make the playoffs.

After this, Tampa plays NYY 7 times and Baltimore 3 times. We on the other hand play Baltimore 7 times and NYY 3 times. That's a very favorable schedule for us.

Even if we just win 1 and leave 2 games up, well, I'll still have a good amount of confidence.

A sweep by the Rays is the only way I start panicking. I'm worried, just because our staff is so awful right now, but not panicking yet.

Good to have Beckett back.

You say that with the confidence that you are going to win all 7 games. That is going to be two tough series' for the Sox. Baltimore always plays better in August/September, and their pitching has been awesome as of late. Shoot, even their bullpen has been doing awesome. And Showalter is going to drill the fact that the O's could make the Sox miss the playoffs in his players heads, so don't think the O's are going to lay down and take it. In fact, I bet the O's win more games out of that 7 than the Sox.. I say the O's win 4-5 and make the Sox miss the playoffs.

Not trying to troll or anything, but I kind of hope the Rays make it, because I don't see any way the Sox could even make it out of the ALDS. They are limping to the finish and behind Lester/Beckett? you have nothing in that rotation.

AI
09-15-2011, 02:47 PM
You say that with the confidence that you are going to win all 7 games. That is going to be two tough series' for the Sox. Baltimore always plays better in August/September, and their pitching has been awesome as of late. Shoot, even their bullpen has been doing awesome. And Showalter is going to drill the fact that the O's could make the Sox miss the playoffs in his players heads, so don't think the O's are going to lay down and take it. In fact, I bet the O's win more games out of that 7 than the Sox.. I say the O's win 4-5 and make the Sox miss the playoffs.

Not trying to troll or anything, but I kind of hope the Rays make it, because I don't see any way the Sox could even make it out of the ALDS. They are limping to the finish and behind Lester/Beckett? you have nothing in that rotation.

I'd say that having "Lester/Beckett?" is more than enough for me. If we go with a 3-man rotation for the playoffs you'd face them both twice in a 7 game series? I like our chances. I'd rather be limping into the playoffs and catch fire than be on fire and limp once in the postseason.

ManRam
09-15-2011, 02:51 PM
You say that with the confidence that you are going to win all 7 games. That is going to be two tough series' for the Sox. Baltimore always plays better in August/September, and their pitching has been awesome as of late. Shoot, even their bullpen has been doing awesome. And Showalter is going to drill the fact that the O's could make the Sox miss the playoffs in his players heads, so don't think the O's are going to lay down and take it. In fact, I bet the O's win more games out of that 7 than the Sox.. I say the O's win 4-5 and make the Sox miss the playoffs.

Not trying to troll or anything, but I kind of hope the Rays make it, because I don't see any way the Sox could even make it out of the ALDS. They are limping to the finish and behind Lester/Beckett? you have nothing in that rotation.

I didn't say we'd win them, I just said the strength of schedule for us is easier :shrug:

Baltimore will be pumped for their games...teams out of contention love to try and beat those who are. Maybe they do win 4 or 5...who knows? I don't. You don't. I made no predictions...

Our pitching is awful right now, but if we get Bedard and Beckett healthy, that's huge. Buchholz still could be a factor (probably in the pen). We still have the league's best offense too. It's been an awful stretch, but this team, besides the first few weeks and the past few weeks of the season, has probably been consistently the best team in the AL for a long period of time. I'm not saying they don't make it out of the ALDS...I just don't think it's a foregone conclusion.

OneTuzSea
09-15-2011, 02:51 PM
VRP is a bad person.

What the **** are you doing here and not in TKO? You disgust me.

Melo15
09-15-2011, 02:55 PM
VRP's rooting against us, so we're fine. Basically, whatever teams he roots for (Dodgers, OSU, Indians, whatever crappy NFL team he likes) fails. Whatever teams he roots against (mainly UConn) succeeds. We're golden. I'd be worried if he were rooting for us.

:laugh2:

1903
09-15-2011, 02:57 PM
Rays sweep and Shields throws a no hitter.

ManRam
09-15-2011, 02:58 PM
Rays sweep and Shields throws a no hitter.

Wanna bet? ;)

Pittz
09-15-2011, 03:01 PM
What the **** are you doing here and not in TKO? You disgust me.

What should I be doing in TKO right now?

1903
09-15-2011, 03:03 PM
Wanna bet? ;)

Sure. If my prediction is right you give me $5. If it's wrong you give me only $2.

c0rbz
09-15-2011, 03:04 PM
I love the Orioles. They're better than the tigers.

Someones a little mad.

c0rbz
09-15-2011, 03:06 PM
Rays Sweeeeeeeeeep.

F*(&"Next Year"
09-15-2011, 03:38 PM
Someones a little mad.

Not at the team. Just their fans. PSD detroit fans are blind homers.



Rays sweep and Shields throws a no hitter.


Do you HONESTLY believe that?

1903
09-15-2011, 03:43 PM
Do you HONESTLY believe that?

Anything can happen.

Jeffy25
09-15-2011, 04:10 PM
18-5 saying the Rays will win vs the Red Sox winning this series.

Yikes

es0terik
09-15-2011, 05:18 PM
lol imagine if the Rays sweep the Red Sox and then win all seven games against the Yankees? And somehow that troll-crazy prediction I made about the Rays clinching and Angels taking the wild card, snubbing both the Yankees and Red Sox, actually materializes? That would be the most epic beatdown in the history of baseball.

TheChamp
09-15-2011, 05:30 PM
Why are the Rays all of a sudden considered to be so great? They've beat down on the Red Sox this year as always, but aren't going to win the wild card of division spot. The Red Sox have almost woken up a little after those two games against Toronto. The pitching match ups benefit the Rays but I think that the Red Sox offense will carry this team and win two games.

es0terik
09-15-2011, 06:14 PM
Why are the Rays all of a sudden considered to be so great? They've beat down on the Red Sox this year as always, but aren't going to win the wild card of division spot. The Red Sox have almost woken up a little after those two games against Toronto. The pitching match ups benefit the Rays but I think that the Red Sox offense will carry this team and win two games.

Almost woken up? What makes you think that? The 18-6 win? A week ago, they beat the Jays 14-0 and it looked like they'd 'almost woken up' then too, but then they proceeded to lose five games in a row.

Bo Sox Fan
09-15-2011, 06:17 PM
Rays sweep and Shields throws a no hitter.

I'll make a sig bet that the Red Sox go farther than the Yankees in the playoffs.

People make it sound like Tampa Bay is only 1 game back but it's actually a comfortable 4 game lead, and any single Sox victory in this 4 game series makes it virtually impossible for any Tampa comback looking at there remaining competition in there schedule combined with the lack of games left to be played to make up any ground.

Tampa Bay NEEDS a sweep and nothing less.

es0terik
09-15-2011, 07:20 PM
Gametime

dtmagnet
09-15-2011, 07:22 PM
I'll make a sig bet that the Red Sox go farther than the Yankees in the playoffs.

People make it sound like Tampa Bay is only 1 game back but it's actually a comfortable 4 game lead, and any single Sox victory in this 4 game series makes it virtually impossible for any Tampa comback looking at there remaining competition in there schedule combined with the lack of games left to be played to make up any ground.

Tampa Bay NEEDS a sweep and nothing less.

Considering the way Boston has been playing lately, I wouldn't be so comfortable.

runnermjr1296
09-15-2011, 07:30 PM
I just remember the sweep and how you guys missed the playoffs.
Great story,at the time I was living in Arizona, after we swept them they went to Anaheim where I went for a concert. So we're at the hotel and I have my YANKEE hat on and two red sox fans walk into the elevator with me. One of them looks at me with disgust and say's"YANKEES you gotta be kidding me" so I looked at him and asked "would you like to talk about the b slapping we just put on your team?" he didn't say another word.

Jeffy25
09-15-2011, 07:44 PM
CC has been really really bad this year, still has been.

If he had been doing this in Tampa, I would still be criticizing him. Hell he probably would be riding the bench.

1903
09-15-2011, 07:50 PM
Rays forum going crazy right now. Fans came out for this game.

oak2455
09-15-2011, 07:50 PM
Considering the way Boston has been playing lately, I wouldn't be so comfortable.

he's your classic Troll... talks big game but when the Sox lose:cricket::cricket::cricket: I miss him... he was in the Yankee forum when the Sox were in first havent seen him for a while:clap:

es0terik
09-15-2011, 07:57 PM
Lol that broken bat could NOT have played anymore perfectly for the Rays. That was the most luckiest thing I have ever seen.

es0terik
09-15-2011, 07:59 PM
LOL BOOM! Longoria with the 3-run blast.

TheRuckus
09-15-2011, 08:00 PM
Rays.

long ball
09-15-2011, 08:02 PM
It's amazing that the Rays can whoop up on the Red Sox (lately), but couldn't beat the damned Os

JUMPMANxAIRS
09-15-2011, 08:05 PM
hellickson needs to play shutdown baseball to ensure a victory

es0terik
09-15-2011, 08:09 PM
It's amazing that the Rays can whoop up on the Red Sox (lately), but couldn't beat the damned Os

That's less the Rays fault and more the O's doing. They always decide to start playing well when they've ensured that they're eliminated. They pooped on the Yankees too.

es0terik
09-15-2011, 08:10 PM
Red Sox with 2 on and no outs. Got something going here.

MetsLegacy
09-15-2011, 08:13 PM
Really excited for this game, just got home and turned on MLB.TV.

Let's go Rays.

1903
09-15-2011, 08:17 PM
Really excited for this game, just got home and turned on MLB.TV.

Let's go Rays.

I guess you wanted to watch a game that means something. ;)

es0terik
09-15-2011, 08:17 PM
Gonzo up with the bases drunk

1903
09-15-2011, 08:17 PM
No way. How did you find the MLB forum leo?

AI
09-15-2011, 08:24 PM
Friggin broken bat single by Upton, still can't believe it.

MetsLegacy
09-15-2011, 08:33 PM
I guess you wanted to watch a game that means something. ;)

As much as it hurts to say..yeah. I've been to roughly 15 games at Citi Field this year and the most crowded I've seen it was maybe a camp day in mid-July where even though it was 75% full it sounded like a morgue.

I can't even remember feeling like I was that excited watching baseball this year. It's always "what if?" and "if".

I have a lot of family in Arizona so I've been pulling for the D'Backs as they've been my secondary NL team since 2005 or so.. The D'Backs I'm bandwagon-ing.

ManRam
09-15-2011, 08:46 PM
The Sox rotation is an utter joke right now. Just got home from work...not surprised Weiland is already out. Really tough to win anything when you have three starters (wake, lackey, weiland) that have no business starting games in the majors right now.

es0terik
09-15-2011, 08:58 PM
Lol I think people don't realize that along with Tampa being 4 games behind the Sox, the Angels are only back 4.5 games. lmao

I'd let em sweep us in the upcoming 4 game series if it meant they'd pass the Sox.

oak2455
09-15-2011, 09:02 PM
Lol I think people don't realize that along with Tampa being 4 games behind the Sox, the Angels are only back 4.5 games. lmao

I'd let em sweep us in the upcoming 4 game series if it meant they'd pass the Sox.

let them:D come on stop my side is killing me:p........Listen as much as I like to see Tampa take the Sox out it is still very low possibility:D

AI
09-15-2011, 09:02 PM
How does Hellickson dominate throwing nothing but a changeup 95% of the time?

F*(&"Next Year"
09-15-2011, 09:02 PM
The pen has looked solid.

oak2455
09-15-2011, 09:04 PM
Balk:(

AI
09-15-2011, 09:07 PM
Albers warming up, write down atleast 3 runs for the Rays once he comes in.

AI
09-15-2011, 09:09 PM
Hahaha, Kotchman wow.

DodgerB24
09-15-2011, 09:09 PM
Let's o rays!

AI
09-15-2011, 09:10 PM
The Rays want it more, you can tell by the way they are playing. We on the other hand are playing like W's are supposed to fall into our laps.

es0terik
09-15-2011, 09:34 PM
lmao another homer, this time it's Upton. Way to light up the Sox, but save some of that adrenaline for tomorrow guys.

Bob Loblaw
09-15-2011, 09:53 PM
Albers warming up, write down atleast 3 runs for the Rays once he comes in.

nice call, 3 runs and he only faced 4 hitters

Toxeryll
09-15-2011, 10:06 PM
why dont the red sox put aceves in the rotation?

fadedmario
09-15-2011, 10:24 PM
Boston is in trouble. That team is falling apart.

es0terik
09-15-2011, 10:24 PM
Good game by Tampa.

AI
09-15-2011, 10:34 PM
nice call, 3 runs and he only faced 4 hitters

Yeah, it's like clockwork he never fails me.

Toxeryll
09-15-2011, 10:41 PM
Ownage

ciaban
09-15-2011, 11:09 PM
the only winable game for the sox is game 1 and 3 based on the pitching match ups, and they just blew game 1

ciaban
09-15-2011, 11:12 PM
lmao another homer, this time it's Upton. Way to light up the Sox, but save some of that adrenaline for tomorrow guys.

no its Saturday they need to win, beckette is coming back for the first time in a month and shields goes deep in games and is dealing right now, the Boston pen will **** that up Saturday vs lester is the one they need to bring their power too

Boston-Born
09-15-2011, 11:12 PM
the only winable game for the sox is game 1 and 3 based on the pitching match ups, and they just blew game 1

Is that a joke? Our rookie pitcher in game 1 with two prior starts was a winnable game but Josh Beckett in game 2 is not considered a winnable game?

es0terik
09-15-2011, 11:18 PM
beckette is coming back for the first time in a month
lol?

NYYCowboys
09-15-2011, 11:29 PM
If the Sawx lose tmrw they're in trouble.

ciaban
09-15-2011, 11:33 PM
you are right I am wrong about game 1, though i thought that if any ray buckles under the pressure in boston it would be the rookie. And I thought the injury to his ankle was august 5th not sept. 5th so I must have miss read, I apologize for speaking incorrectly, though still i would like to see how he does on that ankle i still don't think he goes past the 6th because of it.

Side not all boston needs to do is tie the series being 4 up with 9 to go and no more head to head matrch ups, that's really tough even for these rays

StayOnBoard
09-16-2011, 08:07 AM
If Tampa sweeps, Christmas will have come early :clap:

I am loving the end of this season, regardless of what happens.

Good job the Rays can't compete (ever) with the likes of Boston and New York.... oh wait!?!?!?!?

Pinstripe pride
09-16-2011, 08:56 AM
red sox should be worried. this could ge tugly for them

ciaban
09-16-2011, 10:58 AM
interesting thing is tat a rays sweep puts the angels back in the wild card hunt, you could have a race featuring texas, anahiem, tampa and boston

VRP723
09-16-2011, 11:04 AM
If they lose tonight, they can't deny being worried anymore

F*(&"Next Year"
09-16-2011, 11:09 AM
I'm cool as a cucumber. :shrug:

Boston-Born
09-16-2011, 11:15 AM
.

F*(&"Next Year"
09-16-2011, 11:26 AM
Th Jays do have a chance in the near future. Have you seen their team? There a few pieces away from being a very very strong contender.

Melo15
09-16-2011, 11:29 AM
^ Yup.

CostanzaNumba0
09-16-2011, 11:31 AM
I'm cool as a cucumber. :shrug:

you shouldnt be, if they f this up its a historically bad collapse, as a yankees fan im scared of the rays..price and shields in a short series is devastating.. hellickson and moore dont help either

F*(&"Next Year"
09-16-2011, 11:35 AM
you shouldnt be, if they f this up its a historically bad collapse, as a yankees fan im scared of the rays..price and shields in a short series is devastating.. hellickson and moore dont help either

Well I am. We are 3 games up. One loss last night isn't close to enough to scare the crap out of me.

ugafan
09-16-2011, 11:49 AM
This won't be as exciting next year when there are 2 WC teams. Tampa and LAA would be fighting for the 2nd WC spot to play the Red Sox in a 1/3 game playoff. So incredibly stupid.

Melo15
09-16-2011, 11:51 AM
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/its-still-not-time-to-panic-in-boston/

F*(&"Next Year"
09-16-2011, 11:53 AM
I was just reading that Melo.

Melo15
09-16-2011, 11:58 AM
I was just reading that Melo.

Great minds think alike.

benzni
09-16-2011, 12:11 PM
Shield Vs Beckett Hopefully a pitchers duel

Pittz
09-16-2011, 12:24 PM
Sox only need to win one game. There's no need to panic.

Fred
09-16-2011, 12:57 PM
yeah, to me, this doesn't belong in the MLB forum....the fans of Tampa (all 3 of them), the Bosox and Yankees are interested in this series....I will change my mind if the Rays can win the next two....

infernoscurse
09-16-2011, 01:04 PM
theres 3 rays fans here? wow no wonder the bandwith problems on this site sometimes it floods and i get that stinky error message that the site is down

theslick1
09-16-2011, 03:07 PM
theres 3 rays fans here? wow no wonder the bandwith problems on this site sometimes it floods and i get that stinky error message that the site is down

I have a feeling the Rays fan base has been expanded for the next three days to include a lot of Yankee fans.

es0terik
09-16-2011, 03:12 PM
yeah, to me, this doesn't belong in the MLB forum....the fans of Tampa (all 3 of them), the Bosox and Yankees are interested in this series....I will change my mind if the Rays can win the next two....

yeah, to me, I really don't care what it is to you. You're the first person in 10 pages to complain about this being in the MLB forum. And then what's funnier is that like a hypocrite, you actually went on to make the statement 'I will change my mind if the Rays can win the next two' which is actually relevant to the thread, which means you did take interest in the thread, atleast to some degree, which justifies its placement in the MLB forum, and at the same time contradicts the whole 'the fans of Tampa, the Bosox and Yankees are interesting in this' statement.

Oh and a lot more people are interested in this series. Atleast 1 Blue Jays fan :)

VenezuelanMet
09-16-2011, 07:20 PM
LOL Red Sox.

Let's all gather around the Red Sox season going up in flames.

thenetslegend
09-16-2011, 07:24 PM
does anbody want the red sox to actually make it?? i know i dont

Mr. Hangman
09-16-2011, 07:32 PM
LOL Red Sox.

Let's all gather around the Red Sox season going up in flames.

Look familiar? I guess laughing at the Red Sox helps soothe the stings still left by memories of Utley's walk=off single, Dobbs' grand slam and Tom Glavine's first-inning.

Definitely rooting for the Rays in this series, though. After it looked like each playoff spot in both leagues would be locked up uncontested, I wouldn't mind seeing a photo finish between two great teams in the AL.

3mikee_
09-16-2011, 07:37 PM
Other than Sox Fans I can't believe that anyone else would be rooting for them to beat out TB.

Mr. Hangman
09-16-2011, 07:39 PM
Tight strike zone tonight or is MLB Gameday just plotting their pitches wherever they feel like?

Towelie
09-16-2011, 07:51 PM
Everyone is getting pinched.

AI
09-16-2011, 07:52 PM
Strikezone looks good from what I'm seeing. Consistent for both sides.

Towelie
09-16-2011, 07:53 PM
Shields doesn't look good tonight at all.

Towelie
09-16-2011, 07:53 PM
Crawford should be stealing.

AI
09-16-2011, 07:54 PM
There's something you don't see everyday, Crawful walks.

Towelie
09-16-2011, 08:02 PM
Gameday is not working? Or is something going on?

long ball
09-16-2011, 08:03 PM
Other than Sox Fans I can't believe that anyone else would be rooting for them to beat out TB.

It makes some sense for Rangers, Tigers, and Yankees fans to want the fading Red Sox to limp in rather than the surging Rays.

Towelie
09-16-2011, 08:03 PM
Bunts into a double play.....amazing.

AI
09-16-2011, 08:08 PM
That's just how things are going lately.

AI
09-16-2011, 08:13 PM
Things continue to go south.

More-Than-Most
09-16-2011, 08:16 PM
I don't hate the sox but I am praying for a fail for 2 reasons...It would be epic and hilarious.

3mikee_
09-16-2011, 08:17 PM
Shield has not looked good tonight at all.

3mikee_
09-16-2011, 08:18 PM
I don't hate the sox but I am praying for a fail for 2 reasons...It would be epic and hilarious.

LOL me too. Love seeing division rivals fail.

3mikee_
09-16-2011, 08:27 PM
Wow Longoria has just been tearing it up over there in TB. Gave them the lead back!

fadedmario
09-16-2011, 08:32 PM
Go Rays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

keymax
09-16-2011, 09:29 PM
I don't care for one team or the other, but the strikezone Beckett was getting would make Maddux and Glavine proud...

More-Than-Most
09-16-2011, 10:07 PM
Boston just got one hell of a break... That looked like he held up

Melo15
09-16-2011, 10:45 PM
**** yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AI
09-16-2011, 10:50 PM
Great win tonight. Loved the playoff atmosphere.

bigA9331
09-16-2011, 10:51 PM
That's what im talking about!

Pittz
09-17-2011, 12:14 AM
Yay.

F*(&"Next Year"
09-17-2011, 12:34 AM
STILL cool as a cucumber.

Toxeryll
09-17-2011, 12:40 AM
wow pathetic umpiring.

Boston-Born
09-17-2011, 01:02 AM
wow pathetic umpiring.

Yup, sure was....for both teams.

long ball
09-17-2011, 01:26 AM
Saw a couple of called 3rd strikes on rays which were pretty bad. Too lazy to look up pitch fx data right now though to see how it was for the whole game.

Toxeryll
09-17-2011, 01:39 AM
Yup, sure was....for both teams.

nope, dont even lie

Pavelb1
09-17-2011, 02:04 AM
Saw a couple of called 3rd strikes on rays which were pretty bad. Too lazy to look up pitch fx data right now though to see how it was for the whole game.

I wasn't. Except for one horrible call (Im guessing its the one to Upton everyone is talking about) the ump took away the bottom of the strike zone from everyone.

Fred
09-17-2011, 08:38 AM
yeah, to me, I really don't care what it is to you. You're the first person in 10 pages to complain about this being in the MLB forum. And then what's funnier is that like a hypocrite, you actually went on to make the statement 'I will change my mind if the Rays can win the next two' which is actually relevant to the thread, which means you did take interest in the thread, atleast to some degree, which justifies its placement in the MLB forum, and at the same time contradicts the whole 'the fans of Tampa, the Bosox and Yankees are interesting in this' statement.

Oh and a lot more people are interested in this series. Atleast 1 Blue Jays fan :)

hm, I guess I am showing interest again by being in here? No, this thread should still be in the Rays or Bosox forums...(and maybe in the BJ's as well for you?)...10 pages of Bosox/Yankees fans and one or two jays/rays fans does not merit a spot in the mlb forum...ih? who cares....good luck to both franchises and their fans....

also, sox won, season over for the Rays

/close thread


LOL Red Sox.

Let's all gather around the Red Sox season going up in flames.

yeah, much like if the yankees or phillies, both with high payrolls lost, people want to see them lose...I'm with you....:D

Pittz
09-17-2011, 12:07 PM
Rays Sweep!!!!!

Dodgers.


Please wins Rays.

Dodgers.


Really excited for this game, just got home and turned on MLB.TV.

Let's go Rays.

Mets.


nice call, 3 runs and he only faced 4 hitters

Blue Jays.


This won't be as exciting next year when there are 2 WC teams. Tampa and LAA would be fighting for the 2nd WC spot to play the Red Sox in a 1/3 game playoff. So incredibly stupid.

Braves.


LOL Red Sox.

Let's all gather around the Red Sox season going up in flames.

Mets.


does anbody want the red sox to actually make it?? i know i dont

Nationals.


I don't hate the sox but I am praying for a fail for 2 reasons...It would be epic and hilarious.

Phillies.


Wow Longoria has just been tearing it up over there in TB. Gave them the lead back!

Blue Jays.


I don't care for one team or the other, but the strikezone Beckett was getting would make Maddux and Glavine proud...

White Sox.

For some reason it didn't include other quoted posts, like TheRuckus (Phillies), Jeffy (Cardinals), StayOnBoard (Blue Jays), StriveGreatness (Tigers), fadedmario (Tigers), OneTuzSea (Mariners), etc.

es0terik
09-17-2011, 01:13 PM
hm, I guess I am showing interest again by being in here? No, this thread should still be in the Rays or Bosox forums...(and maybe in the BJ's as well for you?)...10 pages of Bosox/Yankees fans and one or two jays/rays fans does not merit a spot in the mlb forum...ih? who cares....good luck to both franchises and their fans....

Umm...


Dodgers.

Dodgers.

Mets.

Blue Jays.

Braves.

Mets.

Nationals.

Phillies.

Blue Jays.

White Sox.

For some reason it didn't include other quoted posts, like TheRuckus (Phillies), Jeffy (Cardinals), StayOnBoard (Blue Jays), StriveGreatness (Tigers), fadedmario (Tigers), OneTuzSea (Mariners), etc.

You lost Fred. You lost. And again, remember, you were the first person depressed enough to even bring up where the thread was located, let alone argue about it. Anyways, I'm done with you.

AI
09-17-2011, 03:41 PM
Fighting over a thread is so stupid. Stay on topic which is "Bash the Sox when they lose but completely disappear when they win."

Sounds about right, carry on :laugh2:

Jeffy25
09-17-2011, 04:27 PM
I love Vasgersian, McCarver is annoying and stupid (and I'm a Cards fan).

Can Vasgersian do this game by himself?

Jeffy25
09-17-2011, 04:29 PM
hm, I guess I am showing interest again by being in here? No, this thread should still be in the Rays or Bosox forums...(and maybe in the BJ's as well for you?)...10 pages of Bosox/Yankees fans and one or two jays/rays fans does not merit a spot in the mlb forum...ih? who cares....good luck to both franchises and their fans....

also, sox won, season over for the Rays

/close thread



It's such an important series in major league baseball that I personally feel it deserves it's spot. If the Rays can win 3 out of 4, it drastically changes the MLB playoff picture and the rest of the month in Major League Baseball.

I plan to leave it unless enough posters feel it should be moved as well.

1903
09-17-2011, 06:07 PM
Only reason the Rays lost is because I was not here on PSD posting in their forum. The players knew this.

Pittz
09-17-2011, 06:11 PM
Go away.

es0terik
09-17-2011, 06:12 PM
Rays up 4-2 right now.

AI
09-17-2011, 06:23 PM
Thanks I think we all knew that.

1903
09-17-2011, 06:24 PM
Go away.

You go away?

1903
09-17-2011, 06:25 PM
Rays are winning and the Red Sox are losing.

Pittz
09-17-2011, 06:34 PM
I love the seventh inning.

Pittz
09-17-2011, 06:39 PM
I could really use a Pedroia homerun in fantasy baseball.

1903
09-17-2011, 06:44 PM
UPDATE: Rays are still winning and Red Sox are still losing. The Rays have more runs than the Red Sox. They have 4 and the Red Sox have 3.

es0terik
09-17-2011, 06:45 PM
Thanks I think we all knew that.

LOL! umad and its soapparent.

AI
09-17-2011, 07:00 PM
Why would I be mad? Last I checked I still lead the WC.

As FNY would say: "Cool as a cucumber'"

CityofTreez
09-17-2011, 07:02 PM
4-3 Rays in the 9th.

Looks like a great game.

Also, laughing at the GT in the MLB Forum, are there even any PSD TB Rays fans on this site?

1903
09-17-2011, 07:06 PM
4-3 Rays in the 9th.

Looks like a great game.

Also, laughing at the GT in the MLB Forum, are there even any PSD TB Rays fans on this site?

Someone in the Rays forum told me they hang out on some other site.

Jeffy25
09-17-2011, 07:11 PM
I'm a pretty major Rays fan.

Cards first, but Rays and Royals are my two other teams, I try to watch all of their games.

keymax
09-17-2011, 07:25 PM
The Rays have to win tomorrow to have any chance, but Price vs. Wakefield is obviously a big advantage for TB.

1903
09-17-2011, 07:27 PM
UPDATE: The Rays have won the game. They scored 4 runs and the Red Sox only scored 3 which means they scored more runs. The Rays have a higher score which means they won. The Rays have won the game.

AI
09-17-2011, 07:30 PM
Nice game, I fully expect to lose tomorrow with Wakefield going for us.

Jeffy25
09-17-2011, 07:32 PM
If the Rays can win tomorrow, this is a playoff race!

I'm happy to have at least one this year, we might even have up to 3 still (ALW, NLWC)

Towelie
09-17-2011, 07:57 PM
I like the Jays jealously. It's going to be even better when the sox are still going to the playoff's.

thenetslegend
09-17-2011, 08:12 PM
4-3 Rays in the 9th.

Looks like a great game.

Also, laughing at the GT in the MLB Forum, are there even any PSD TB Rays fans on this site?

its a rare occurance when you see a rays, diamondbacks, or padres fan. if you go to one of their forums the last post will be from march

es0terik
09-17-2011, 10:28 PM
No idea why my comment was deleted. Wasn't provocative or derogatory at all. Oh well.

es0terik
09-17-2011, 10:29 PM
I like the Jays jealously. It's going to be even better when the sox are still going to the playoff's.

I like the Red Sox defensiveness. It's entertaining. :)

Towelie
09-18-2011, 02:01 PM
Everyone's defensive about the teams they like. Wanna look at the Joey bats is on roids thread? Last I checked there's is a ton of defensiveness from Jays fans there.

Pittz
09-18-2011, 03:09 PM
Really making Price work this inning.

es0terik
09-18-2011, 04:59 PM
Everyone's defensive about the teams they like. Wanna look at the Joey bats is on roids thread? Last I checked there's is a ton of defensiveness from Jays fans there.

Yeah the defensiveness there is that the Jays are defending Bautista with actual reasons and facts as to why they think he isn't on roids. You're sitting here and saying that Jays fans are jealous because they're rooting against the Red Sox. LOL Give me a break, everybody here is rooting against the Red Sox, you just mention the Jays because you have some sort of weird fetish with this team, which is probably why you are ALWAYS in our forum.

Fred
09-18-2011, 05:06 PM
It's such an important series in major league baseball that I personally feel it deserves it's spot. If the Rays can win 3 out of 4, it drastically changes the MLB playoff picture and the rest of the month in Major League Baseball.

I plan to leave it unless enough posters feel it should be moved as well.

honestly, I don't really mind it being there - I was just stating my opinion...and mine shouldn't necessarily count...that being said, the Rays are not winning the WC...as much as I would LOVE to see it...

Towelie
09-18-2011, 05:25 PM
Yeah the defensiveness there is that the Jays are defending Bautista with actual reasons and facts as to why they think he isn't on roids. You're sitting here and saying that Jays fans are jealous because they're rooting against the Red Sox. LOL Give me a break, everybody here is rooting against the Red Sox, you just mention the Jays because you have some sort of weird fetish with this team, which is probably why you are ALWAYS in our forum.

I'm in the forum, cause I live in Hamilton and see a **** ton of Jays games, kinda hard not to follow them living here. Explained that a million times but like most the stuff it just doesn't comprehend with you.

Toxeryll
09-18-2011, 05:36 PM
Rays ownage

StayOnBoard
09-18-2011, 05:36 PM
The important thing is Tampa won!

Now, let's go O's tomorrow -sweep the double header, bring the BoSox down!!! :clap:

<= apparent jealous fan

Towelie
09-18-2011, 05:48 PM
The O's sweeping a doubleheader is very unlikely. It will be a split more or less. Then Bedard comes back for Tuesday. Still not worried.

Toxeryll
09-18-2011, 06:04 PM
The O's sweeping a doubleheader is very unlikely. It will be a split more or less. Then Bedard comes back for Tuesday. Still not worried.

Would you be worried if O's sweep the Sox tomorrow?

Towelie
09-18-2011, 06:06 PM
Would you be worried if O's sweep the Sox tomorrow?

If the Rays won both games, I'd be iffy at best. No chance the O's sweep tomorrow tho.

mtf
09-18-2011, 06:15 PM
I like the Jays jealously. It's going to be even better when the sox are still going to the playoff's.

It's kind of cheap and false to dismiss anyone who dislikes the Red Sox as just jealous. I would admit to jealousy of the Phillies, but not the Yankees or Red Sox. The only thing I like about the Red Sox is David Ortiz, because he's a genuinely nice guy.

Also, it's easy to like the Rays. They are a low budget team who gets robbed by teams like the Red Sox but still manage to run their team well and compete. It took them 10 years in the basement of the AL East to build a solid base, but they've put in their time and are fun to watch.

Towelie
09-18-2011, 06:19 PM
It's kind of cheap and false to dismiss anyone who dislikes the Red Sox as just jealous. I would admit to jealousy of the Phillies, but not the Yankees or Red Sox. The only thing I like about the Red Sox is David Ortiz, because he's a genuinely nice guy.

Also, it's easy to like the Rays. They are a low budget team who gets robbed by teams like the Red Sox but still manage to run their team well and compete. It took them 10 years in the basement of the AL East to build a solid base, but they've put in their time and are fun to watch.

Gets robbed! :laugh: Please enlighten me as to where the Sox rob the Rays? Cause Rays management doesn't want to put money into the team and would rather spend it on the draft? Yea thats robbing them. :rolleyes:

GasMan
09-18-2011, 07:30 PM
RS don't rob anyone, just two different organizational styles (pay for peaked talent vs. pay for talent before it peaks). This is gonna come off as a David/Goliath story and a lot people like to pull for the underdog. As a Tiger fan, I think the Ray look scarier than the Sox right now and although I admire the Rays organization, I have to root against them.

mtf
09-18-2011, 07:32 PM
Gets robbed! :laugh: Please enlighten me as to where the Sox rob the Rays? Cause Rays management doesn't want to put money into the team and would rather spend it on the draft? Yea thats robbing them. :rolleyes:

The Rays can't afford to pay the price to keep the players they've developed. This is, at least in part, due to the Red Sox and Yankees driving up the prices over the past 15 years. Just sayin', no one is going to be upset to see Boston miss the playoffs, and it has nothing to do with jealousy.

1903
09-18-2011, 07:57 PM
The Rays can't afford to pay the price to keep the players they've developed. This is, at least in part, due to the Red Sox and Yankees driving up the prices over the past 15 years. Just sayin', no one is going to be upset to see Boston miss the playoffs, and it has nothing to do with jealousy.

You still failed to explain how they were robbed. Both teams play within the rules of MLB so I do not see how the Rays have been robbed.

Towelie
09-18-2011, 08:00 PM
The Rays can't afford to pay the price to keep the players they've developed. This is, at least in part, due to the Red Sox and Yankees driving up the prices over the past 15 years. Just sayin', no one is going to be upset to see Boston miss the playoffs, and it has nothing to do with jealousy.

Rays can afford it check how much they spend on the draft they spend just as much if not more then the Red Sox do. The Rays choose to not spend the cash on FA and would rather have development process.

2009mvp
09-18-2011, 08:18 PM
You still failed to explain how they were robbed. Both teams play within the rules of MLB so I do not see how the Rays have been robbed.

Yeah 'robbed' is a really poor choice of words.


Rays can afford it check how much they spend on the draft they spend just as much if not more then the Red Sox do. The Rays choose to not spend the cash on FA and would rather have development process.

:laugh2: You're really comparing the 11M they spent in the draft to free agency? That eleven million is peanuts on the FA market.

Towelie
09-18-2011, 08:31 PM
:laugh2: You're really comparing the 11M they spent in the draft to free agency? That eleven million is peanuts on the FA market.

No I'm saying they have the money to spend they choose to take the route of prospects and farm system and team friendly contract extensions.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/33/baseball-valuations-11_Tampa-Bay-Rays_337975.html

This right here says the Rays can spend money. Not Red Sox or Yankee's money but still could have signed Crawford if they wanted too. 41,932,171 million bucks for payroll with a 166 million dollars in revenue would say so.

carson005
09-18-2011, 08:59 PM
Boston is going to lose both games tomorrow against the O's haha, just watch

2009mvp
09-18-2011, 09:32 PM
No I'm saying they have the money to spend they choose to take the route of prospects and farm system and team friendly contract extensions.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/33/baseball-valuations-11_Tampa-Bay-Rays_337975.html

This right here says the Rays can spend money. Not Red Sox or Yankee's money but still could have signed Crawford if they wanted too. 41,932,171 million bucks for payroll with a 166 million dollars in revenue would say so.

You do understand the difference between revenue and profits, right? Besides, as I understand it a huge chunk of that revenue figure comes from the league's revenue sharing pool, and if the Rays were to up spending on payroll and continue to succeed that number would start coming down.

mtf
09-18-2011, 11:19 PM
You still failed to explain how they were robbed. Both teams play within the rules of MLB so I do not see how the Rays have been robbed.

Sorry, robbed wasn't meant literally. I thought that was fairly obviously, guess not. I didn't mean that Boston had a team of individuals sneak into Tampa, put Carl Crawford in a dark van in the middle of the night, and sneak him out of town before the authorities could respond. Tampa, however, did not exactly get anything close to legitimate value for Crawford when Boston swooped in with the checkbook and they were left with a draft pick. That's part of the reason no one is going to be upset to see Tampa take the wild card down, if they manage to pull it off. It isn't jealousy of a potential 3rd place finish with a payroll of $160M+ as you suggest.

Towelie
09-18-2011, 11:20 PM
You do understand the difference between revenue and profits, right? Besides, as I understand it a huge chunk of that revenue figure comes from the league's revenue sharing pool, and if the Rays were to up spending on payroll and continue to succeed that number would start coming down.

You do understand there is more in that link then just revenue right? The rays are worth almost double since being bought. They're making money as a team, and could make even more with a stadium (they're working on it) and if they spent some money I'm sure you could end up seeing more people in the stands. None of this matter tho cause the Rays no matter what would be doing what theyre doing now. It's working for them, but it's ignorant to say they cant spend money. 33+ million dollars was earned last season for them in pure profit. So that money could easily get some FA if wanted. They got about 30 million in revenue sharing but what does it matter? Imagine if the Rays signed CC Sabathia thats only going to bring more people into the seats, but thats beside the point. The Rays can but never will spend the money that way. They spend it in the draft.

Towelie
09-18-2011, 11:29 PM
Sorry, robbed wasn't meant literally. I thought that was fairly obviously, guess not. I didn't mean that Boston had a team of individuals sneak into Tampa, put Carl Crawford in a dark van in the middle of the night, and sneak him out of town before the authorities could respond. Tampa, however, did not exactly get anything close to legitimate value for Crawford when Boston swooped in with the checkbook and they were left with a draft pick. That's part of the reason no one is going to be upset to see Tampa take the wild card down, if they manage to pull it off. It isn't jealousy of a potential 3rd place finish with a payroll of $160M+ as you suggest.

Yea, cause those lousy draft picks have only gotten the Rays where they are today. They only got Taylor Guerrieri and Brandon Marin. Thats complete **** in return. :rolleyes:

nithanyo
09-19-2011, 12:42 AM
Boston is going to lose both games tomorrow against the O's haha, just watch

i hope so :pray:

CityofTreez
09-19-2011, 12:48 AM
This is going to be a close race.....

Today was hilarious, Wakefield pitching was a wash since he's like a 50 year old who throws knuckleballs for meat!

carnage101
09-19-2011, 11:45 AM
yes but why would the rays wanna sign crawford when jennings is better? makes no sense even if you had a trillion in revenue. It's simple crawford 20 milllion a year for 7 years = giant waste. jennings provides more production and better value for 400k a year.... no brainer imo

StayOnBoard
09-19-2011, 12:47 PM
yes but why would the rays wanna sign crawford when jennings is better? makes no sense even if you had a trillion in revenue. It's simple crawford 20 milllion a year for 7 years = giant waste. jennings provides more production and better value for 400k a year.... no brainer imo

At least 50% of these signings are a huge waste and teams could get similar production from a AAA club - Crawford is just one example (Vernon Wells, Barry Zito, Alfonso Soriano, Alex Rios and Jason Werth are a couple of others).

Teams don't get it.... spending big isn't how you win. Games aren't won on paper.... why more people don't see this simply amazes me.

Now - back on topic! GO O'S!!!! Take down the mighty Red Sox - the team which was penciled into the world series a month ago :laugh2: