PDA

View Full Version : What the 2012 Jays COULD look like



passengershawn
09-14-2011, 05:01 PM
First off...hopefully Lawrie is okay after that wicked shoulder check of Varitek...the kid has the eye-of-the-tiger for sure!

Anyways...what do you think of my 'all-out' lineup for next year. Would mean severly breaking the bank...so would it be worth it...and realistic?

2B- Reyes*
CF- Rasmus (a lefty bat with speed, and Reyes on base, coupled with Jo-Jo Bats behind him, means Colby gets more fastballs to hit)
RF- Bautista
DH- Fielder*
1B- Lind
3B- Lawrie (if not Rasmus, I'd bat Lawrie in the #2 spot)
C- Arencibia
LF- Thames/Snyder
SS- Escobar (doesn't run well and hits into lots of DP's...not really suited as a leadoff or #2 guy)

Rotation
Romero
Harden*
Cecil
Morrow
Alvarez/McGowan/low-level FA signing

Bullpen
Litsch
Janzen
Francisco
Carlos V
Perez (need to sign a FA lefty specialist- Rhodes?)
Papelbon*- CL

*Off-season acquisitions
Jose Reyes- could likely make an easy transition from SS to 2B, and provides the leadoff guy we've been missing since the Devon White/Robbie Alomar days. Would likely cost 6 years @ $15 mill/per

Prince Fielder- the BIG bat (no pun intended...okay...yes it was!) Jays need behind Jose. Would cost 5-7 years @ 18-20 mill/per

Rich Harden- could probably get him for 3 years @ 8-10 mill/per

Jonathan Papelbon- the best CL we would have since Henke/Ward days...and the 1.5 years of B.J. Ryan before the injury. Would cost approx. $12 mill/per over 4 years

That would mean adding another 57-60 mill to the team's payroll...a HUGE amount, but I think if we EVER want to contend with Bo Sox and Spankies...we have to spend the cheese to do it...and we're still way under those teams payrolls!!

I think these 4 guys (plus at least one other FA signing- lefty specialist) would put the Jays around the 92-96 win range next year, with 95-103 wins in 2013, 2014, 2015 as the young guys mature and develop. Our lineup would have speed (Reyes, Rasmus, Lawrie), power (Bautista, Fielder, Lind, Lawrie, Arencibia), and solid situational hitting #1-9 in the order.

On the bench we could have;
EE
Johnny Mac (he'll re-sign)
Molina
Davis
Snyder/Thames
Thehan?

And that's not factoring in what the club does with Adam Loewen, Kyle Drabek, Jon Rauch, etc... next season.

What do ya'll think???

2009mvp
09-14-2011, 05:04 PM
Why does everyone pencil Cecil into their rotations going into next year? You guys all realize that he isn't very good, right?

McJoe
09-14-2011, 05:09 PM
Prince will be over 20. More like 22-24 like Tex. Don't understand why you'd consider giving injury prone Jose Reyes 6 years and even more injury prone Rich Harden 3. To add to that, Harden has had pretty much his only good games against us this year. His ERA is in the upper 4s and was in the mid 5s last year. At most, Harden should cost 5 million on a 1 year deal. He might get more than that but I wouldn't give him that.

I'd also like you to realize that you added 57 million for the next 3 years, 47 for the next 4 years, and 35 for the next 6 years to a team that will in that time need to re-sign Romero, Rasmus, Arencibia, Lawrie, Thames/Snider, Cecil, Morrow, Alvarez, and Lind. Even for those guys to each make 5 million a season, your increasing the payroll by approximately 102 million dollars added to Bautista...

You can't just throw money at everyone and hope for the best, you have to think down the road a little bit.

And someone explain to me why Jose Reyes would even consider moving to 2nd base let alone sign with the Jays when he could sign with a team that is already contending/closer to contending like the Giants, Cardinals, Brewers, Reds, etc. The Jays aren't even willing to give him his position...this isn't MVP 2005 where you sign all the best guys and plug them into whatever holes are open...

3mikee_
09-14-2011, 05:11 PM
Love how there are like 4 of these threads a week.

I personally don't want Reyes, too many injury issues..
I don't want Mr. 2-pitch-harden either. He's great and all, but I'm sure we can find some serviceable veterans that can fill in our rotation. We need to focus more on the bullpen. Paplebon would be great but I doubt Boston will let him go..

Bombtista
09-14-2011, 05:16 PM
Lol at Escobar batting ninth. Even out of the lineup you created with improbable free agent signings Escobar is still top 3 or 4 on the team.

Halladay
09-14-2011, 05:17 PM
This guy has 19 posts and what, 8 threads?

StayOnBoard
09-14-2011, 05:38 PM
You want my honest opinion?

craigerlee
09-14-2011, 06:05 PM
Why does everyone pencil Cecil into their rotations going into next year? You guys all realize that he isn't very good, right?

Who else do we pencil in other than Romero, Morrow and Alvarez? Drabek, Perez, Litsch, Villaneuva, Mcgowan? I agree with you he hasn't been very good, but the other options aren't that appealing except for maybe Drabek, but he needs to learn to throw strikes first. I think you gotta at least pencil him in to start the season. The FA market is pretty bare aside from Wilson, Darvish, and Buehrle. Pretty sure Hutchison, Mcguire or Molina aren't gonna be ready till at least late May, and I'm not even all that sold on the latter two.

2009mvp
09-14-2011, 06:09 PM
^^Well if you wanna be realistic about things, yeah. I was really referring to the many wacky dream rosters people are putting together that have the Jays spending tens of millions in upgrades yet still trotting Brett freakin' Cecil out there as the third starter.

craigerlee
09-14-2011, 06:18 PM
^^Well if you wanna be realistic about things, yeah. I was really referring to the many wacky dream rosters people are putting together that have the Jays spending tens of millions in upgrades yet still trotting Brett freakin' Cecil out there as the third starter.

I think their at least gonna trot him out as a 4/5 starter to start the season even if they do go for the homerun in the offseason and sign Fielder + Wilson or Darvish. I don't think he's any worse than Lackey, Wakefield, Burnett or Hughes right now. Hopefully Hutchison will be ready by late May, but that's asking a lot considering he was just in low A to start the season.

Mitchell133
09-14-2011, 06:18 PM
Why does everyone pencil Cecil into their rotations going into next year? You guys all realize that he isn't very good, right?

I would argue he's more reliable than Morrow... Much more reliable.

2009mvp
09-14-2011, 06:30 PM
I think their at least gonna trot him out as a 4/5 starter to start the season even if they do go for the homerun in the offseason and sign Fielder + Wilson or Darvish. I don't think he's any worse than Lackey, Wakefield, Burnett or Hughes right now. Hopefully Hutchison will be ready by late May, but that's asking a lot considering he was just in low A to start the season.

Bucholz? Bedard? Nova? Colon? Garcia? All better than Cecil (at least until Colon/Garcia's arms fall off). And if we're betting on these guys going forward I'd certainly take Lackey, AJ, and Hughes over him as well. The guy was incredibly overrated by Jays fans when he was sitting 92-93 consistently, now that he's topping out at 92 he's barely an upgrade over Jo-Jo Reyes.

Twitchy
09-14-2011, 06:30 PM
I would argue he's more reliable than Morrow... Much more reliable.

As much as I want to disagree, the sad thing is Cecil has had better production than Morrow.

Which says more about how awful Morrow has been than how good Cecil is.

Escobar's one of the 3-4 best hitters on this team. His ability to get on is pretty damn valuable in front of Jose. The Jays would be smarter to hit and run more with him when guys are on base.

2009mvp
09-14-2011, 06:35 PM
At least you can still dream on the K-rate/peripherals with Morrow. Looks like it might never click with him, but considering neither are leading this team to anything I'd still prefer to bet on him (at least for one more year).

town123
09-14-2011, 06:39 PM
Trade Cecil while you can. (Crap, I said that last offseason and got roasted pretty good.)

Morrow has way more upside and certainly deserves another year to figure it out.

craigerlee
09-14-2011, 06:41 PM
Bucholz? Bedard? Nova? Colon? Garcia? All better than Cecil (at least until Colon/Garcia's arms fall off). And if we're betting on these guys going forward I'd certainly take Lackey, AJ, and Hughes over him as well. The guy was incredibly overrated by Jays fans when he was sitting 92-93 consistently, now that he's topping out at 92 he's barely an upgrade over Jo-Jo Reyes.

I was just saying he probably doesn't match up that badly against the Yanks and Sox 5th starters considering how bad they are right now. He'd probably only be 5th on talent level, but pitch 3rd or 4th in the rotation just solely to split up the lefties. Its also not out of the realm of possibilities he gets his Velo back, cause if your betting on Hughes going forward against him you essentially believe that Hughes can get his Velo back.

jaysnraptors44
09-14-2011, 06:55 PM
morrow sucks *** he has no command of his pitches

Krylian
09-14-2011, 08:07 PM
morrow sucks *** he has no command of his pitches

Ya. We should shoot him and move on. Clearly he's useless and worthless.

thenetslegend
09-14-2011, 10:15 PM
fielder said he probably wasnt coming back to the brewers..

JermanJaysFan
09-14-2011, 10:21 PM
fielder said he probably wasnt coming back to the brewers..
From a purely objective standpoint, that changes that chances of him coming here from 3.33% to 3.45%.

Tmath
09-14-2011, 10:31 PM
Fielder is going to Seattle or Washington, book it.

passengershawn
09-14-2011, 10:48 PM
It's not that I think the Jays will sign all those guys...I'm just throwing out the perverbial 'what-if'? In a dream world, would it make sense to go hard after those kinds of players? (I semi-agree with the negative comments on Harden...I forgot about C.J. Wilson...he would be the better fit).

And yes the payroll would be a gross challenge to work with....HOWEVER, I will gaurantee everyone on PSD that unless we go out and spend some $$$ on guys with both talent and history...and stop trying to sign has-been and 'project/potential' guys to mid-level contracts...this team will NEVER content, even with an added wildcard spot. The ONLY way we would get in would be if we pulled a Giants, Twins, Athletics, Rockies where everything went right at the same time and we pulled lightning from a bottle.

Rogers has the cheddar to spend, and if we wait until everything aligns...till we're getting 40,000+ butts in the seats...till all the young guys have plateaued...then we'll be waiting another 18 years for the post-season. The Rays have the deep talent...Bo Sox and Yanks have great systems AND deep wallets...so unless we go and likely over-spend and take some calculated risks...the Jays will forever be that team that could beat anyone on any given day...but not often enough to make it count!

passengershawn
09-14-2011, 10:49 PM
This guy has 19 posts and what, 8 threads?

It's because guys like you chime in...and because I'm good lookin!:eyebrow:

passengershawn
09-14-2011, 10:54 PM
Lol at Escobar batting ninth. Even out of the lineup you created with improbable free agent signings Escobar is still top 3 or 4 on the team.

I might be way off...but I think Escobar is over-rated and valued as a hitter by Jays fans. Yes he is hitting well, but not in the clutch, and he grounds into too many DP's at the top of the order. I'm fine with him batting 2nd, but not in the leadoff position. If he was that great, he'd be on pace for 100+ runs hitting behind Bautista all year. I think if Rasmus comes around, with his speed, being a lefty, and his power, he would be an ideal #2 hitter...although I think his best seasons will only net a .270-.280 avg.

passengershawn
09-14-2011, 10:56 PM
Why does everyone pencil Cecil into their rotations going into next year? You guys all realize that he isn't very good, right?

Who else do we send out in that slot...at the moment? Harden, CJ Wilson, Buerhle, Darvish are all upgrades. There's no one else we have in the system that is ready to take the #3 spot at this point...Drabek and Alvarez maybe in 2 years...but not yet.

craigerlee
09-14-2011, 10:58 PM
I might be way off...but I think Escobar is over-rated and valued as a hitter by Jays fans. Yes he is hitting well, but not in the clutch, and he grounds into too many DP's at the top of the order. I'm fine with him batting 2nd, but not in the leadoff position. If he was that great, he'd be on pace for 100+ runs hitting behind Bautista all year. I think if Rasmus comes around, with his speed, being a lefty, and his power, he would be an ideal #2 hitter...although I think his best seasons will only net a .270-.280 avg.

If he hits into a lot of DP's but gets on base a lot, isn't lead off the best place for him to hit? The #9 hitter usually isn't getting aboard that often for him to double off.

thenetslegend
09-14-2011, 11:11 PM
Fielder is going to Seattle or Washington, book it.

nationals said they werent going after him. doubtful he goes to seattle unless they overpay badly

tuck25
09-14-2011, 11:19 PM
K-Rod said hes not happy, maybe he will be our next closer?? maybe

Farsight
09-14-2011, 11:56 PM
K-Rod said hes not happy, maybe he will be our next closer?? maybe If Milwaukee offers his arbitration (which they will), i dont see AA signing him because of the money, and the picks

wagnall
09-15-2011, 01:09 AM
Boy alot of these Threads are looking alike, but I'll play. Just my batting order.

Escobar
Rasmus
Bautista
Votto/Fielder
Lawrie
Big Papi FA
2nd base???? Prefer Phillips
Snider/Thames
Jpa

Positions obvious!


Wilson
Romero
Morrow
Hutchinson
Drabek/Alverez/Litsch/Cecil Which ever 1 who isn't traded

Just my opinion Total 3 maybe 4 additions from other teams new players. BP didn't look at. Kind of a mess.

craigerlee
09-15-2011, 10:09 AM
If Milwaukee offers his arbitration (which they will), i dont see AA signing him because of the money, and the picks

I don't see them offering him arb, he's gonna get well over 12M and I don't think Milwaukee is taking the chance he accepts.

miller74
09-15-2011, 10:15 AM
Trade Cecil while you can. (Crap, I said that last offseason and got roasted pretty good.)

Morrow has way more upside and certainly deserves another year to figure it out.

Cecil has had as much success as Morrow if not more, they both deserve a chance to figure it out. If Cecil can get his velocity back he'll be fine.

passengershawn
09-15-2011, 11:00 AM
Cecil has had as much success as Morrow if not more, they both deserve a chance to figure it out. If Cecil can get his velocity back he'll be fine.

The good thing about Cecil is that he's learning to pitch without having a blow-by fastball. If he can continue to focus on control, location and changing speeds (ala Jimmy Key...who never had a major fastball either), then I think he'll be fine.

Morrow on the other hand has limited SP experience, and right now is relying too much on his stuff...just thinking he can throw it by hitters. He hasn't quite figured out how to pitch vs. just throwing the ball. IF he can workout some control issues (just like Drabek needs to), he too should be fine...just on talent alone.

The problem is the IF, because there's about 123 other SP's out in teams organizations that are confronted with the same issue every year...and only a small handfull figure it out.

jaysnraptors44
09-15-2011, 12:04 PM
Ya. We should shoot him and move on. Clearly he's useless and worthless.

i said he sucks *** i never said to trade him funny how people here always try to act up and twist peoples words

StayOnBoard
09-15-2011, 12:07 PM
I might be way off...but I think Escobar is over-rated and valued as a hitter by Jays fans. Yes he is hitting well, but not in the clutch, and he grounds into too many DP's at the top of the order. I'm fine with him batting 2nd, but not in the leadoff position. If he was that great, he'd be on pace for 100+ runs hitting behind Bautista all year. I think if Rasmus comes around, with his speed, being a lefty, and his power, he would be an ideal #2 hitter...although I think his best seasons will only net a .270-.280 avg.

Yes, I would agree (with the bold)

passengershawn
09-15-2011, 12:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Krylian
Ya. We should shoot him and move on. Clearly he's useless and worthless.

jaysnraptors44- i said he sucks *** i never said to trade him funny how people here always try to act up and twist peoples words

I don't think Krylian mentioned we should trade Morrow...just shoot him and move on...that would be cruel though :eyebrow:

heusy_79
09-15-2011, 01:43 PM
I don't think Krylian mentioned we should trade Morrow...just shoot him and move on...that would be cruel though :eyebrow:[/QUOTE]

Maybe it was a metaphor for getting DFA'd?

Towelie
09-15-2011, 02:10 PM
So out of no where the Jays are gonna spend 50+ million. Don't think so.

craigerlee
09-15-2011, 02:26 PM
So out of no where the Jays are gonna spend 50+ million. Don't think so.

Spent 30M+ in 06 on Burnett and Ryan and on the Glaus and Overbay trades. Not completely unrealistic, it doesn't quite seem like AA's style, but wouldn't be completely shocked if it happened.

StayOnBoard
09-15-2011, 03:40 PM
So out of no where the Jays are gonna spend 50+ million. Don't think so.

Actually - they have done so in the past and have already said they will "when the time is right".

Many fans want it to be this year, though personally I think it'll be NEXT offseason before they open the vault.

Rogers has a **** load of cash, they can most certainly support a 100 million dollar payroll. Given they only have about 50 mil or so committed to next year, it's not that far fetched.

BlueJayFanDan
09-15-2011, 04:32 PM
I don't really see why everyone is so set in making so many ridiculous changes. First of all, we don't need to go out and spend 50 mil. That would be ridiculous. Right now, I am more than happy with our lineup as is for next season. I would not oppose one change, perhaps a corner outfielder opposite of Jose. I am not sure I trust Snider or Thames as much as I would trust another option their. I think the rest of our lineup is good enough.

C: JPA
1B: Lind
2B: Johnson (or Brandon Phillips would be nice if he hits FA)
SS: Yunel
3B: Lawrie
RF: Jose
CF: Colby
LF: Snider, Thames, Loewen? (or perferably a good, semi cheap FA, dunno who as of now)
DH: EE

That lineup is really good. Personally I am not sure I would make any changes unless Brandon Phillips does become an FA. I think someone will step up for left field. Everyone else seems fine. I know some of those players have had some struggles but what people seem to fail to realize is we are top 5 in runs scored this season. Pitching is where we need the most help. I don't think anyone should really be a rotation lock except for Romero. Yes, that includes Morrow, Alvarez, Drabek, Cecil, Villenueva, and whoever else. This is what I would say our rotation should look like next season:

Romero
FA (Harden? CJ Wilson?)
Alvarez
Morrow
Cecil, Drabek, Villenueva, or FA (Buehrle?)

If we can find a way to grab CJ Wilson and Buehrle, our rotation would look very nice. And then there is the bullpen. Despite recent struggles I like Luis Perez in there. Joel Carreno looks great. Francisco has been much better. Janssen is awesome. So I would say look for maybe a cheap bullpen guy and then if possible a closer such as Papelbon or Bell if possible. Otherwise maybe McGowan could close?

passengershawn
09-15-2011, 04:54 PM
Actually - they have done so in the past and have already said they will "when the time is right".

Many fans want it to be this year, though personally I think it'll be NEXT offseason before they open the vault.

Rogers has a **** load of cash, they can most certainly support a 100 million dollar payroll. Given they only have about 50 mil or so committed to next year, it's not that far fetched.

I think waiting until '13 to make a big FA splash is a mistake...given there really isn't much at this point to get excited about. The best players available, that would fill needs for us in the 2013 FA class, (at this point barring any re-signings) would be;

SP Shaun Marcum: could see him coming back @ reasonable price to be a #2/3)
LF Josh Hamilton: Texas will not allow him to leave, unless he has re-occuring concussion issues
RP Mariano Rivera: do you really think he'll ever wear another uniform?
2B Ian Kinsler: depending on whether or not we address 2B this off-season, he would be a great addition
3B David Wright and 3B Kevin Youkilis: both would be good DH additions that could spare Lawrie 20-30 games a year (if needed...depending on how his defense comes along...or if they move him back to 2B)
CF's BJ Upton and Curtis Granderson (club option for Granderson): both are obvious upgrades over Rasmus (at this point)...let's see what happens with Colby next season
CF Matt Kemp- big fish to go after!
SP Matt Cain (he'll re-sign with SF gauranteed)
SP Cole Hamels- would be the true ace of our staff (based on this year's version of Hamels)...or basically #1A and Romero #1B

So compared to the fish we could go after this off-season (Bell, Papelbon, Pujols, Fielder, Berkman, Sabathia (has club option), CJ Wilson, Kurado...this is the year to go after at least 2 big fish...and round out the bullpen...then go after the remaining 1-3 pieces we need to be a legit contender in 2013.

wagnall
09-15-2011, 05:12 PM
I'd like a big LH bat for #4 and if we go with Johnson, even though he's shown very little and is a FA how much will he cost compared to getting someone whose done it year in and year out like Phillips. If he accepts the option and we can get him. We're solid in OF, 3rd, SS, and C.

Pitching is in need of help, love to trade for JJ and sign Wilson and get Venters from Atlanta. Great set up guy or possible Lefty closer.

wagnall
09-15-2011, 05:14 PM
yes, i would agree (with the bold)



x2

wamco
09-15-2011, 06:26 PM
First off...hopefully Lawrie is okay after that wicked shoulder check of Varitek...the kid has the eye-of-the-tiger for sure!

Anyways...what do you think of my 'all-out' lineup for next year. Would mean severly breaking the bank...so would it be worth it...and realistic?

2B- Reyes*
CF- Rasmus (a lefty bat with speed, and Reyes on base, coupled with Jo-Jo Bats behind him, means Colby gets more fastballs to hit)
RF- Bautista
DH- Fielder*
1B- Lind
3B- Lawrie (if not Rasmus, I'd bat Lawrie in the #2 spot)
C- Arencibia
LF- Thames/Snyder
SS- Escobar (doesn't run well and hits into lots of DP's...not really suited as a leadoff or #2 guy)

Rotation
Romero
Harden*
Cecil
Morrow
Alvarez/McGowan/low-level FA signing

Bullpen
Litsch
Janzen
Francisco
Carlos V
Perez (need to sign a FA lefty specialist- Rhodes?)
Papelbon*- CL

*Off-season acquisitions
Jose Reyes- could likely make an easy transition from SS to 2B, and provides the leadoff guy we've been missing since the Devon White/Robbie Alomar days. Would likely cost 6 years @ $15 mill/per

Prince Fielder- the BIG bat (no pun intended...okay...yes it was!) Jays need behind Jose. Would cost 5-7 years @ 18-20 mill/per

Rich Harden- could probably get him for 3 years @ 8-10 mill/per

Jonathan Papelbon- the best CL we would have since Henke/Ward days...and the 1.5 years of B.J. Ryan before the injury. Would cost approx. $12 mill/per over 4 years

That would mean adding another 57-60 mill to the team's payroll...a HUGE amount, but I think if we EVER want to contend with Bo Sox and Spankies...we have to spend the cheese to do it...and we're still way under those teams payrolls!!

I think these 4 guys (plus at least one other FA signing- lefty specialist) would put the Jays around the 92-96 win range next year, with 95-103 wins in 2013, 2014, 2015 as the young guys mature and develop. Our lineup would have speed (Reyes, Rasmus, Lawrie), power (Bautista, Fielder, Lind, Lawrie, Arencibia), and solid situational hitting #1-9 in the order.

On the bench we could have;
EE
Johnny Mac (he'll re-sign)
Molina
Davis
Snyder/Thames
Thehan?

And that's not factoring in what the club does with Adam Loewen, Kyle Drabek, Jon Rauch, etc... next season.

What do ya'll think???



-Can you do what the 2012 tb, sox and yanks roster could look like? It would be interesting to compare.

wagnall
09-15-2011, 06:43 PM
:ohno:Teahen on the bench? I'll swallow my cat if he's back next year

Billyen
09-15-2011, 07:56 PM
:ohno:Teahen on the bench? I'll swallow my cat if he's back next year

That's ok but, just don't eat the pusssy. That would be wrong. Meow!

Nick O
09-15-2011, 08:02 PM
if dont want cecil... we minus well just go and get ancient randy johnson.... even in his what? late 40s? i bet hes still got 7/8 mph on Cecil not being serious obviously but when you announcers confuse your fastball with your changeup O.O oh dear...

ghost dog
09-17-2011, 09:49 PM
1. Jose Reyes 2B L
2. Yunel Escobar SS R
3. Jose Bautista RF R
4. Joey Votto 1B L
5. Brett Lawrie 3B R
6. Colby Rasmus CF L
7. Eric Thames DH R
8. JP Arencibia C R
9. Adam Loewan LF L

Starting Pitching:
Darvish RH
Romero LH
Morrow Rh
Alvarez RH
Mcgowan RH

Bullpen:
LM: Villaneuva RH
MR: Janssen RH
MR: Litsch
MR: Carreno RH
LR: Perez LH
SU: Dan Bard RH
CL: Jonathan Broxton

wamco
09-18-2011, 08:50 AM
k johnson back to sucking again. Hill 833 ops somehow for ariz

Bombtista
09-18-2011, 09:37 AM
1. Jose Reyes 2B L
2. Yunel Escobar SS R
3. Jose Bautista RF R
4. Joey Votto 1B L
5. Brett Lawrie 3B R
6. Colby Rasmus CF L
7. Eric Thames DH R
8. JP Arencibia C R
9. Adam Loewan LF L

Starting Pitching:
Darvish RH
Romero LH
Morrow Rh
Alvarez RH
Mcgowan RH

Bullpen:
LM: Villaneuva RH
MR: Janssen RH
MR: Litsch
MR: Carreno RH
LR: Perez LH
SU: Dan Bard RH
CL: Jonathan Broxton

Lol. Bit of a dreamer are we. How do you expect to get Bard?

Quadwilly
09-18-2011, 10:15 AM
I always laugh when i see Cecil as a starter. As well for signings i do "hope" the jays go after someone this year to protect Jose. What would his numbers be?? Lind is okay but not a number 4 hitter, more like a 5-6 hitter. For Lawrie well enough said.

I think they will trade for a pitcher get some pullpen help and sign the one or two bats in FA. Who that will remain a mystery for months to come.

Our Farm system is huge now that we have all those picks and the kids are looking sweet for years to come. Yes the have to pan out but hey they look pretty good now.

CurlyAce
09-18-2011, 11:05 AM
If you want my opinion on this years offseason I'm thinking that the Jays are going to stay away from the big FA guys and instead will make some big blockbuster trade with a team. All signs point to a trade for me.
1. We have an absolutely stacked farm system.
2. Jays appear to be unwilling to give the 7+ year deals to the big free agent talent and rightfully so IMO (look at A-rod right now).

Obviously you guys can bring up situations where signing a guy to a 7 year 100+ million dollar deal has worked out for a team but I don't think it will be for pujols and fielder. I would only give 7+ years to a select few players (Kershaw and Tulo to name a couple). That's my 2 cents I think you'll be seeing a blockbuster 3 team trade this summer from the jays that nets them a young elite player which i'm getting really excited about. I just hope that D'arnaud and Gose stay out of the deal. Instead of talking about signing Fielder (which I think we've beaten to death right now since the same points keep coming up) we should talk about which player you'd be willing to trade for in exchange to 3 of our "A" prospects. For me the guy is Kershaw but it remains to be seen if the Dodgers would even listen to offers for him with the state of their franchise.