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asandhu23
09-13-2011, 01:42 PM
NBA labor talks have been going for about 4 hours. No indication yet of when they will conclude.

Though we've all placed a ton of importance on today's labor meeting, I've been cautioned by folks on both sides that this is not the be-all

f all goes well today, they could reconvene tomorrow, or even next week and still have time to get a deal done before camps, I'm told.


http://twitter.com/#!/HowardBeckNYT

hgtiger32
09-13-2011, 01:50 PM
thank god! id cry if there was no nba season

likemystylez
09-13-2011, 02:04 PM
Good news so far I guess... that there are talks going on. I'm waiting for the post bargaining session interviews for a more clear indicator of the status. It doesnt have to be solved today to be fantastic news though. Progression is happening and there is plenty of time.

Htownballa1622
09-13-2011, 02:06 PM
Hopefully they complete this soon. free agency could get crazy.

Hellcrooner
09-13-2011, 02:12 PM
give some money from the shares to the owners and let the rest of the rules stay as they are now, and quit *****ing, please.

likemystylez
09-13-2011, 02:15 PM
give some money from the shares to the owners and let the rest of the rules stay as they are now, and quit *****ing, please.

fro what I hear, the owners are the only ones complaining, the players were pefrectly happy with the way things were.


what shares are you talking about? I dont think the NBA is a publically traded stock.

HouRealCoach
09-13-2011, 02:26 PM
There is hope and ESPN even reported it... good signs

B-Ray
09-13-2011, 02:27 PM
fro what I hear, the owners are the only ones complaining, the players were pefrectly happy with the way things were.


well, yeah. the players on average make too much money and as a result there are owners who are losing money. you'd be complaining too if you owned an organization that was losing millions yearly.

dickydick8
09-13-2011, 02:42 PM
looks like they are about to break for today. idk if i should be hopeful or is the media trying to make a story out of something they do not know anything about.

daleja424
09-13-2011, 02:43 PM
They are up near 6 hours now. Sedano of Miami radio has tweeted some speculation, but I am not on my computer and I can't access the tweets.

Apparently the meeting is ending now, and updates are expected shortly.

daleja424
09-13-2011, 02:55 PM
Roger Mason reports to Twitter, "Nowhere near a deal. Its def disappointing!"

daleja424
09-13-2011, 02:57 PM
Twitter is buzzing, all bad news:

basically the players came in ready to conceed some to the owners to reach a deal, but the owners were unwilling to budge off their last proposal.

these owners are PATHETIC

NYsFinest
09-13-2011, 02:57 PM
lock out continues

dickydick8
09-13-2011, 02:57 PM
bad news...

Hunter says two sides remain at odds on two key isssues: economics and the system. No future meetings scheduled.

Slimsim
09-13-2011, 03:30 PM
nno season

Tmath
09-13-2011, 03:44 PM
Being a Raptor fan, this season would be pretty meaningless anyways, so I'm not too worried if there is no NBA this year, that being said I would still like there to be a season as I am a basketball fan.

BigCityofDreams
09-13-2011, 03:45 PM
There goes all the hope of them getting it done. No NBA season unfortunately

GiantsSwaGG
09-13-2011, 03:46 PM
I told you...there won't be an NBA season this year and you can BOOK IT. Stop bringing your hopes up guys!

Antipod
09-13-2011, 03:49 PM
Depressing news ... :(

NYsFinest
09-13-2011, 03:55 PM
Twitter is buzzing, all bad news:

basically the players came in ready to conceed some to the owners to reach a deal, but the owners were unwilling to budge off their last proposal.

these owners are PATHETIC

Its the small market owners of teams like the Bucks and the Wolves doing this.... contract them if they don't make enough money.

BigCityofDreams
09-13-2011, 03:58 PM
Smh fing pissed

Iron24th
09-13-2011, 04:09 PM
Bad news,F the league!

Shmontaine
09-13-2011, 04:09 PM
Its the small market owners of teams like the Bucks and the Wolves doing this.... contract them if they don't make enough money.

It's all the owners... they are unified... they may be using the franchises like the bucks and twolves to give validity to their claims, but i assure you, the most profitable teams see nothing but huge $$$$$$ (like 100-150+ mil/year profits) if this deal gets passed, and they are willing to wait until the players fold...

Ill21
09-13-2011, 04:13 PM
KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern says it's "still our goal" to start season on time.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern says players did make proposal last week that formed discussions.

Stern says not accurate that owners are still sitting on same proposal from June.

Ill21
09-13-2011, 04:14 PM
KBergCBS Ken Berger
Silver says players' proposed economic move was "preconditioned for acceptance" that system remains the same.

likemystylez
09-13-2011, 04:18 PM
KBergCBS Ken Berger
Silver says players' proposed economic move was "preconditioned for acceptance" that system remains the same.

Im not sure what that means... is that good or bad?

specialiststeve
09-13-2011, 04:19 PM
It's all the owners... they are unified... they may be using the franchises like the bucks and twolves to give validity to their claims, but i assure you, the most profitable teams see nothing but huge $$$$$$ (like 100-150+ mil/year profits) if this deal gets passed, and they are willing to wait until the players fold...

Let the players sit. The sport needs a hard salary cap and no guarenteed contracts like the NFL and watch the sport and the quality
of the play jump to new hights.

Imagine that every year is a contract year like the NFL. Effort of the play would be out of this word.

Imagine not having the Eddy Curry contracts hanging over your head and paralizing teams. With that giving money to the players that deserve it, what a concept.

Keep the "Cap" high and have a "low cap" to assure that money is going out but to the players that deserve it and as fans WE win!

For those in large or small markets it is a win/win. For the mediocre players making 5 mil it is a loss.

Just remember though the large market teams and small market teams do need each other to make a league or are we going back to 24 teams -16 teams? Not likely and not wanted by anyone.

GiantsSwaGG
09-13-2011, 04:24 PM
Just enjoy Football because there won't be basketball this year!

likemystylez
09-13-2011, 04:32 PM
Just enjoy Football because there won't be basketball this year!

its nt just this year.... what makes you think its magically gonna get better next year or in 2017 or whenever. At some point the players are gonna get screwed over.... say they take a 10% pay cut... if they dont play for a full year in a 5 or 6 yr deal... thats the equivalent of a 16-20% pay cut right away PLUS whatever amount they agree to next year (assuming they agree)

likemystylez
09-13-2011, 04:34 PM
Let the players sit. The sport needs a hard salary cap and no guarenteed contracts like the NFL and watch the sport and the quality
of the play jump to new hights.

Imagine that every year is a contract year like the NFL. Effort of the play would be out of this word.

Imagine not having the Eddy Curry contracts hanging over your head and paralizing teams. With that giving money to the players that deserve it, what a concept.

Keep the "Cap" high and have a "low cap" to assure that money is going out but to the players that deserve it and as fans WE win!

For those in large or small markets it is a win/win. For the mediocre players making 5 mil it is a loss.

Just remember though the large market teams and small market teams do need each other to make a league or are we going back to 24 teams -16 teams? Not likely and not wanted by anyone.

yeah, I cant go a whole year losing sleep every night over this... personally Im a die hard fan... raise the ticket prices if thats what it takes... id pay extra just to not suffer through this.

Shmontaine
09-13-2011, 04:35 PM
its nt just this year.... what makes you think its magically gonna get better next year or in 2017 or whenever. At some point the players are gonna get screwed over.... say they take a 10% pay cut... if they dont play for a full year in a 5 or 6 yr deal... thats the equivalent of a 16-20% pay cut right away PLUS whatever amount they agree to next year (assuming they agree)

???
it's better than the 100% paycut they get for not playing... the players will fold and agree to whatever the owners want just to get a paycheck... it won't go longer than a year.. a new cba comes with a 5 or 10 year guarantee... once they agree to it, games will be played...

Shmontaine
09-13-2011, 04:38 PM
yeah, I cant go a whole year losing sleep every night over this... personally Im a die hard fan... raise the ticket prices if thats what it takes... id pay extra just to not suffer through this.

how many games did you go to last year??? ticket prices consistently go up, along with concession stand prices... that's not where the nba makes the bulk of their money anyway, they don't need to raise ticket prices any more than they are...

... tv rights are where all the money is made...

NYsFinest
09-13-2011, 04:41 PM
It's all the owners... they are unified... they may be using the franchises like the bucks and twolves to give validity to their claims, but i assure you, the most profitable teams see nothing but huge $$$$$$ (like 100-150+ mil/year profits) if this deal gets passed, and they are willing to wait until the players fold...

"Stern says players insisting on keeping same soft cap system in place, which is "non-negotiable". NBA wants financial parity for all teams."

The main issue is the owners of franchises like the Bucks and Wolves are pissed noone wants to go there. GET RID OF THEM... noone cares about Milwuakee anyways, bring the NBA back.

Ezio
09-13-2011, 04:45 PM
"Stern says players insisting on keeping same soft cap system in place, which is "non-negotiable". NBA wants financial parity for all teams."

The main issue is the owners of franchises like the Bucks and Wolves are pissed noone wants to go there. GET RID OF THEM... noone cares about Milwuakee anyways, bring the NBA back.

Build up a team and stop trading picks like a bunch of idiots.

Hellcrooner
09-13-2011, 04:50 PM
lol at people thinking hard salary cap will serve for anything.


Player A unrestricted Fa has two options.

sign back for his team in a bad market for 10 million a year or sign for Big market team for 8 mllion a year.

in bad market Nike offers him a 2 million a year deal in good market nike offers him a 5 million a year deal.

Guess where he will go.

NYman15
09-13-2011, 04:50 PM
I said it before in the last thread, I'm not optimistic and haven't been. We're gonna miss games, maybe the season. The owners are not going to budge.

BigCityofDreams
09-13-2011, 04:51 PM
Build up a team and stop trading picks like a bunch of idiots.

Fans and owners of certain teams have to realize that some places aren't desirable as others no matter what changes are made.

GiantsSwaGG
09-13-2011, 04:53 PM
its nt just this year.... what makes you think its magically gonna get better next year or in 2017 or whenever. At some point the players are gonna get screwed over.... say they take a 10% pay cut... if they dont play for a full year in a 5 or 6 yr deal... thats the equivalent of a 16-20% pay cut right away PLUS whatever amount they agree to next year (assuming they agree)

I really don't carewho gets screwed. These guys are multi millionaires asking for more money. Okay you take a 16% paycut is that really gonna dent your pockets? A million dollars alone can last you most of your life time. These guys need to get the deal done but unfortunately they won't because there to greedy.

BigCityofDreams
09-13-2011, 04:54 PM
lol at people thinking hard salary cap will serve for anything.


Player A unrestricted Fa has two options.

sign back for his team in a bad market for 10 million a year or sign for Big market team for 8 mllion a year.

in bad market Nike offers him a 2 million a year deal in good market nike offers him a 5 million a year deal.

Guess where he will go.

Bad market because the new CBA will convince him that he has to stay jk

Hellcrooner
09-13-2011, 04:55 PM
Bad market because the new CBA will convince him that he has to stay jk

players should by NO MEANS accept franchise tag.

Damm Us courts shouldnt accept such a thing in fact.

specialiststeve
09-13-2011, 05:00 PM
"Stern says players insisting on keeping same soft cap system in place, which is "non-negotiable". NBA wants financial parity for all teams."

The main issue is the owners of franchises like the Bucks and Wolves are pissed noone wants to go there. GET RID OF THEM... noone cares about Milwuakee anyways, bring the NBA back.

Unfortunatly you just don't get it. You can contract 5 teams - 10 teams, players union is not going for that as loss of jobs. And yes there is interest in basketball other than in NYC. Actually for that past decade there has been NO interest in NYC - NBA basketball because they have been as irrelavant as the Bucks, Twolves and other small market teams. Why? because of the current system.

Would hope the "big city" boys would figure it out but evidently not.

The players union is not wanting this as they have a "GREAT GIG" - don't have to play hard or actually be very good and still get millions on the back of the fans and the owners. Not sure why anyone that is a true basketball fan would want this to continue. I LOVE basketball and have been a huge fan for 35 years and would miss it terribly but would rather watch college ball for a year and get the CBA right for the benefit of the game and not just to get it back for the sake of getting it back.

BigCityofDreams
09-13-2011, 05:03 PM
players should by NO MEANS accept franchise tag.

Damm Us courts shouldnt accept such a thing in fact.

Can you imagine that....you're a free agent who is ready to move on and add your talent to a good team but your current one hits you with a tag and you're forced to waste another prime yr on a bad club Wtf.

BigCityofDreams
09-13-2011, 05:08 PM
Unfortunatly you just don't get it. You can contract 5 teams - 10 teams, players union is not going for that as loss of jobs. And yes there is interest in basketball other than in NYC. Actually for that past decade there has been NO interest in NYC - NBA basketball because they have been as irrelavant as the Bucks, Twolves and other small market teams. Why because of the current system.

Would hope the "big city" boys would figure it out but evidently not.

Even with them being had for a decade they were still talked about and discussed because its a big city. Some places are never going to be big ticket destinations.

da ThRONe
09-13-2011, 05:10 PM
how many games did you go to last year??? ticket prices consistently go up, along with concession stand prices... that's not where the nba makes the bulk of their money anyway, they don't need to raise ticket prices any more than they are...

... tv rights are where all the money is made...

Attendance account for over 50% of NBA BRI. Unfortunately the NBA relays heavy on attendance.

likemystylez
09-13-2011, 09:45 PM
well- good news is nba 2k12 comes out in 3 weeks lock out or not

DoMeFavors
09-13-2011, 09:59 PM
well- good news is nba 2k12 comes out in 3 weeks lock out or not

I wonder what a team like Denver will look like they have some many free agents and their rookies dont count. Their team might only have like 7 players.

xxplayerxx23
09-13-2011, 10:03 PM
**** The owners, One year knicks have a pretty good team they get lockedout. Hope for a shortended season I guess ;{

da ThRONe
09-13-2011, 10:08 PM
I wonder what a team like Denver will look like they have some many free agents and their rookies dont count. Their team might only have like 7 players.

I think everybody will be on the team they were the previous year.

likemystylez
09-13-2011, 10:59 PM
so wait a second, was roger masons twitter account really hacked??? or did he just literally do a 180 in the span of less than a week??

LOOTERX9
09-14-2011, 12:46 AM
If the NBA misses any games then I wont watch them anymore. I have been supporting them by going to games when the league was down. but now that they had their best season in 10 years they do this bull **** ! F them!!!!! They are messing up any gaines they have made to become 2nd to NFL in the USA. Totally stupid on their part

Tony_Starks
09-14-2011, 01:06 AM
It's all the owners... they are unified... they may be using the franchises like the bucks and twolves to give validity to their claims, but i assure you, the most profitable teams see nothing but huge $$$$$$ (like 100-150+ mil/year profits) if this deal gets passed, and they are willing to wait until the players fold...


Thats not true. They're saying there's a split between the owners and it's getting bigger. Basically between the have's and have nots. The owners of garbage teams are more than willing to sacrafice a season in hopes of getting rewarded for their incompetence, while the big owners are getting ansy to just get something done.

If you're the T Wolves you could care less about the season but if you're someone like Dolan or Jerry Buss you're not trying to start shelling out money for all those ticket refunds once they start missing games. The amount of money they stand to lose in ticket sales for the year is way more than they claim that they lost last year.......

Bottom line any "business man" that would sacrafice games and halt the momentum coming off one of the most popular seasons in recent history doesn't deserve a team. It took them years to get to this point and if they piss it away over greed they may never get it back.

BSplaya2121
09-14-2011, 01:06 AM
ESPN reported on sportscenter that the players and the owners walked away from meetings and there are no scheduled meetings after this past one. David Stern said "We did not have a great day"

BSplaya2121
09-14-2011, 01:13 AM
also wednesday's meeting was canceled :(

jimbobjarree
09-14-2011, 01:18 AM
Unfortunatly you just don't get it. You can contract 5 teams - 10 teams, players union is not going for that as loss of jobs. And yes there is interest in basketball other than in NYC. Actually for that past decade there has been NO interest in NYC - NBA basketball because they have been as irrelavant as the Bucks, Twolves and other small market teams. Why? because of the current system.

Would hope the "big city" boys would figure it out but evidently not.

The players union is not wanting this as they have a "GREAT GIG" - don't have to play hard or actually be very good and still get millions on the back of the fans and the owners. Not sure why anyone that is a true basketball fan would want this to continue. I LOVE basketball and have been a huge fan for 35 years and would miss it terribly but would rather watch college ball for a year and get the CBA right for the benefit of the game and not just to get it back for the sake of getting it back.

finally someone with a brain in this thread

C_Mund
09-14-2011, 01:42 AM
well- good news is nba 2k12 comes out in 3 weeks lock out or not

haha, yeah. You turn the game on and watch your favorite players duke it out on 2k11.

Stack_NJNets
09-14-2011, 07:16 AM
also wednesday's meeting was canceled :(

:sigh:

Knicks21
09-14-2011, 07:35 AM
Both sides are being ridiculous, i feel like both sides are not working hard enough and they (the owners) dont know how much not having a season could cost them.

Knicks21
09-14-2011, 07:36 AM
Im coming to the US in December planning my whole ****ing trip on the NBA schedule. **** This.

BigCityofDreams
09-14-2011, 10:22 AM
If the NBA misses any games then I wont watch them anymore. I have been supporting them by going to games when the league was down. but now that they had their best season in 10 years they do this bull **** ! F them!!!!! They are messing up any gaines they have made to become 2nd to NFL in the USA. Totally stupid on their part

Exactly it took them this long to regain their popularity. From the LA/BOS final to the MIA/MAV final the only other sport that was more interesting was the NFL. Why scorch the earth because a couple of small market teams are upset free agents don't want to come and play in their city.

THE GIPPER
09-14-2011, 10:55 AM
lol at people thinking hard salary cap will serve for anything.


Player A unrestricted Fa has two options.

sign back for his team in a bad market for 10 million a year or sign for Big market team for 8 mllion a year.

in bad market Nike offers him a 2 million a year deal in good market nike offers him a 5 million a year deal.

Guess where he will go.

haha so everyone will still all go to the big market teams? A hard cap wont allow the lakers to pay their players $91 million while the nuggets pay their players $30 million. If the cap is set at say $60 mil. and the lakers are paying their players $58 mil. and the nuggets are paying their players $45 mil. player A will not sign for $2 mil. in LA he'll sign for $10+ mil. in denver.

A hard cap isnt like a "luxury tax" or whatever its called right now. You cannot go over it so yes it does create parity. Basically its a choice between the nba becoming like the MLB or the NHL. In the MLB (no cap) its the yankees, red sox and a few other teams every year while other teams will never, ever win. In the NHL (hard cap) literally every team at least has a chance of winning the cup at the beginning of the year. I know which league i prefer.

THE GIPPER
09-14-2011, 10:57 AM
Unfortunatly you just don't get it. You can contract 5 teams - 10 teams, players union is not going for that as loss of jobs. And yes there is interest in basketball other than in NYC. Actually for that past decade there has been NO interest in NYC - NBA basketball because they have been as irrelavant as the Bucks, Twolves and other small market teams. Why? because of the current system.

Would hope the "big city" boys would figure it out but evidently not.

The players union is not wanting this as they have a "GREAT GIG" - don't have to play hard or actually be very good and still get millions on the back of the fans and the owners. Not sure why anyone that is a true basketball fan would want this to continue. I LOVE basketball and have been a huge fan for 35 years and would miss it terribly but would rather watch college ball for a year and get the CBA right for the benefit of the game and not just to get it back for the sake of getting it back.

:clap:

da ThRONe
09-14-2011, 11:15 AM
Honestly I don't think non guaranteed contracts are fair. If I was a player I would never go for it. Don't know how the NFL players settled their labor dispute without guarantee contracts. It gives the franchise way too much leverage.

What I do like is an opt out option for both teams and players. 50% on even years 60%then on odd years. This way if a player under perform he can be cut yet if a guy out perform has contract he can opt out for a better deal or free agency.

As far as effort I don't think that's an real issue. Yeah every now and again you get an Ed Curry, but that's rare compared to the guys busting their ***.

BigCityofDreams
09-14-2011, 12:10 PM
haha so everyone will still all go to the big market teams? A hard cap wont allow the lakers to pay their players $91 million while the nuggets pay their players $30 million. If the cap is set at say $60 mil. and the lakers are paying their players $58 mil. and the nuggets are paying their players $45 mil. player A will not sign for $2 mil. in LA he'll sign for $10+ mil. in denver.

A hard cap isnt like a "luxury tax" or whatever its called right now. You cannot go over it so yes it does create parity. Basically its a choice between the nba becoming like the MLB or the NHL. In the MLB (no cap) its the yankees, red sox and a few other teams every year while other teams will never, ever win. In the NHL (hard cap) literally every team at least has a chance of winning the cup at the beginning of the year. I know which league i prefer.

How many teams have won the WS since the Yankees dynasty of the 90s. Hell how many WS have the Yankees won. PPl make it seem like the big market teams stamp their ticket to the fall classic every yr.

No disrespect to hockey because they have made strides but does the general public care about every team in their league having a chance.

Shmontaine
09-14-2011, 12:40 PM
Thats not true. They're saying there's a split between the owners and it's getting bigger. Basically between the have's and have nots. The owners of garbage teams are more than willing to sacrafice a season in hopes of getting rewarded for their incompetence, while the big owners are getting ansy to just get something done.

I completely disagree... if you have links to your claim, i haven't seen them...


If you're the T Wolves you could care less about the season but if you're someone like Dolan or Jerry Buss you're not trying to start shelling out money for all those ticket refunds once they start missing games. The amount of money they stand to lose in ticket sales for the year is way more than they claim that they lost last year.......

you just contradicted yourself... wouldn't the teams that don't make money have more of an issue with giving the money back??? dolan and buss made like 100+mil/70mil respectively last year -- they can most afford to give some money back in the aspiration of getting a huge payday once the cba is agreed to.. the big market teams are also the teams that will be least affected by a lockout -- they will have sellouts for the entire year game one... the small markets will suffer fan losses the longer the lockout goes...


Bottom line any "business man" that would sacrafice games and halt the momentum coming off one of the most popular seasons in recent history doesn't deserve a team. It took them years to get to this point and if they piss it away over greed they may never get it back.

they will get it back, no problem... NHL owners did it, and it has worked out well for their sport.... to say these 'business men' don't know what their doing and don't deserve a team is a bit arrogant on your part... they're multi-millionaires for a reason... it's their sport, they own it...

THE GIPPER
09-14-2011, 12:58 PM
How many teams have won the WS since the Yankees dynasty of the 90s. Hell how many WS have the Yankees won. PPl make it seem like the big market teams stamp their ticket to the fall classic every yr.

No disrespect to hockey because they have made strides but does the general public care about every team in their league having a chance.

:confused: who cares if you like hockey or not? the nhl's system works and its what the nba owners are pushing for and i hope they get it.

BigCityofDreams
09-14-2011, 01:06 PM
:confused: who cares if you like hockey or not? the nhl's system works and its what the nba owners are pushing for and i hope they get it.

Ok everyone gets a shot in the NHL. There is parity but it's still a niche sport many aspects even with them having the system they have. My point is just because you level the playing field doesn't mean things will turn around automatically. Do you think fans honestly want to see a kings/bobcats final or a hornets/bucks final. Hell no...they want to see big teams with stars. That's the way it has always been. You brought up MLB not having a cap. Last yr the Rangers and Giants made the WS. Two teams with young players and fresh faces but yet it was one of if not the lowest rated WS ever.

THE GIPPER
09-14-2011, 01:14 PM
Ok everyone gets a shot in the NHL. There is parity but it's still a niche sport many aspects even with them having the system they have. My point is just because you level the playing field doesn't mean things will turn around automatically. Do you think fans honestly want to see a kings/bobcats final or a hornets/bucks final. Hell no...they want to see big teams with stars. That's the way it has always been. You brought up MLB not having a cap. Last yr the Rangers and Giants made the WS. Two teams with young players and fresh faces but yet it was one of if not the lowest rated WS ever.

I would LOVE to see those teams in the finals.

Hellcrooner
09-14-2011, 01:22 PM
I would LOVE to see those teams in the finals.

check the pistons vs spurs and cavs vs spurs finals ratings.


sorry but league needs big markets making the finals.

BigCityofDreams
09-14-2011, 01:27 PM
I would LOVE to see those teams in the finals.

You're one of the few that do and that's cool that you would like to see those teams. But as far as the overall public big teams are needed. Leagues don't worry about the die hard fan because they'll watch every game.


check the pistons vs spurs and cavs vs spurs finals ratings.


sorry but league needs big markets making the finals.

Hell even die hard fans had an issue watching spurs/pistons lol

specialiststeve
09-14-2011, 01:57 PM
Honestly I don't think non guaranteed contracts are fair. If I was a player I would never go for it. Don't know how the NFL players settled their labor dispute without guarantee contracts. It gives the franchise way too much leverage.

What I do like is an opt out option for both teams and players. 50% on even years 60%then on odd years. This way if a player under perform he can be cut yet if a guy out perform has contract he can opt out for a better deal or free agency.

As far as effort I don't think that's an real issue. Yeah every now and again you get an Ed Curry, but that's rare compared to the guys busting their ***.

Interesting take, not sure why non-guarenteed contracts are not fair. Most contracts of the "non-stars" are generally short. If you outperform your contract the team is going to want to renogotiate to "lock up" the player before they get to FA if possible under a cap. Franchises SHOULD have the leverage as they are paying the bills and taking the risk, and running the team.

Not sure what NBA you have been watching but almost EVERY team has an Eddy Curry situation or has in the recent past. As far as effort the real effort comes in the playoffs usually and that is what most people watch.
If they HAD to bust their butts to keep their contract imagine what regular season basketball would be like - College effort with the skill of the pro's. COUNT ME IN!! :)

thenetslegend
09-14-2011, 02:24 PM
Interesting take, not sure why non-guarenteed contracts are not fair. Most contracts of the "non-stars" are generally short.Not sure what NBA you have been watching but almost EVERY team has an Eddy Curry situation

tragic outlaw :facepalm::facepalm:

da ThRONe
09-14-2011, 02:54 PM
Interesting take, not sure why non-guarenteed contracts are not fair. Most contracts of the "non-stars" are generally short. If you outperform your contract the team is going to want to renogotiate to "lock up" the player before they get to FA if possible under a cap. Franchises SHOULD have the leverage as they are paying the bills and taking the risk, and running the team.

Not sure what NBA you have been watching but almost EVERY team has an Eddy Curry situation or has in the recent past. As far as effort the real effort comes in the playoffs usually and that is what most people watch.
If they HAD to bust their butts to keep their contract imagine what regular season basketball would be like - College effort with the skill of the pro's. COUNT ME IN!! :)

Players are the employees and the product. That balances out all the risk the owners take.

I don't think guaranteed contracts are the problem with the lack of hustle. I believe the season is where the problem lays. Playing that many games you have to conserve your body.

Every player may not give Kobe type offseasons(most never will no matter what), but most players are far from being Curry.

Hellcrooner
09-14-2011, 03:03 PM
Players are the employees and the product. That balances out all the risk the owners take.

I don't think guaranteed contracts are the problem with the lack of hustle. I believe the season is where the problem lays. Playing that many games you have to conserve your body.

Every player may not give Kobe type offseasons(most never will no matter what), but most players are far from being Curry.

ive always say that reg season should be 58 games, 2 against each team , one home one away, with no back to backs.
players would be healthier, less injurys so a bigger spectacle.

NBA_Starter
09-14-2011, 08:27 PM
It's not looking good :(:(:(

da ThRONe
09-15-2011, 11:29 AM
ive always say that reg season should be 58 games, 2 against each team , one home one away, with no back to backs.
players would be healthier, less injurys so a bigger spectacle.

I think reducing the season is better for everybody. Fans get more competitive games, players get more off time, and owners get more money. The notion that more games equal more revenue simply isn't true.

Punk
09-15-2011, 01:34 PM
It's not looking good :(:(:(

I wouldn't say that. There is still 4 weeks to go before the pre-season games begin the canceled peroid.

Also, today the head of NFL players association will meet with the 70 players today to discuss things. Seems like Hunter may not be negotiating anymore and nobody wants desertification either.

If Hunter is voted out, that might change the air in negotiations.

GoatMilk
09-15-2011, 06:54 PM
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/15/report-cavs-gilbert-suns-sarver-killed-potential-labor-deal

TheRunKiller
09-15-2011, 07:13 PM
^ dammit :bang:

JPHX
09-15-2011, 09:50 PM
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/15/report-cavs-gilbert-suns-sarver-killed-potential-labor-deal

hahaha all i saw on my android was Report: Owners of Cavs, Suns killed...