View Full Version : NBA ReDraft: 4) Syracuse vs. 8) Louisville

09-11-2011, 10:30 AM
Hello Everyone,

Welcome to the playoff voting for the PSD NBA Redraft. Every year we basketball fans enjoy taking part in a PSD game called the NBA redraft where over 60 users participate. The point of the redraft is to draft the best team possible and the obvious goal is to be crowned champion by the NBA forum. You will notice that the team name do not represent current NBA teams. The reason why we avoided this is because we wanted to avoid a bias that exists with current team names. For example, a team that had the Chicago Bulls team name would probably experience a higher volume of votes than let’s say the Memphis Grizzlies team simply because they have the larger fan base on PSD. As a result we got rid of that bias completely. Please take the time to review both teams, look at the depth chart and read the write ups to formalize your own opinion on which team would win a 7 game series. As far as injuries go, they will not be playing a factor in this Redraft though players that are continually hurt and have not had a healthy season in quite some time should be viewed as different players than what they once were (Yao, Oden, Roy etc). Thank you for voting and enjoy the match ups.

4) Syracuse vs. 8) Louisville

Syracuse has home court advantage

Syracuse Depth Chart:
PG: Deron Williams - Keyon Dooling
SG: Ray Allen - Gary Neal - Marquis Daniels
SF: Nicholas Batum - Chase Budinger
PF: Andrea Bargnani - Boris Diaw
C: Emeka Okafor - Spencer Hawes - Dexter Pittman

Louisville Depth Chart:
PG: Ty Lawson || Beno Udrih
SG: Vince Carter || Keith Bogans || Wayne Ellington
SF: Rudy Gay || Luc Mbah a Moute
PF: Kenyon Martin || Hakim Warrick || Juwan Howard
C: Andrew Bynum || Josh McRoberts ||

Syracuse Writeup:

Point guard:
Is Lawson a good, quick, up-and-coming point gu
ard? Sure. Is he on the same level as Deron? Not by any means. Deron Williams is a perennial all star, and arguably the best at his position in the NBA. On top of that, he's a much bigger player, eclipsing Lawson by 4-5 inches, which will give Lawson fits on both sides of the floor. Deron's length advantage, as well as his wide array of offensive ability will prove to be too much for Lawson to handle over the length of a series.

They've played 6 games against each other. Lawson has only started 2, Deron all 6. Deron has averaged 22 points, 10 assists, and 3 rebounds while playing against Lawson. In their last matchup, Deron outscored Lawson 26 to 8, out assisted him 12 to 2, and outrebounded him 2 to 0. Lawson is a solid player, but he's not on Deron's level, and he wont be able to produce on offense to match Williams, nor will he be able to stop Deron on the defensive side of the ball.

On top of that, Lawson has only started 39 games in his first two years in the NBA. Deron started 127 games in his first two years, for comparison purposes. We haven't even seen enough of Lawson to know if he can lead a team, especially against the playoffs against the best point guard in the NBA.

Bottom line: Deron is a much better player at this point. He has a more diverse offensive game, he's a proven leader, and he is a superior man to man defender.

Shooting Guard:
Ray Allen is constantly moving. He's coming off screens, he's sprinting baseline, he's making cuts, he's spotting up, and he's literally outworking whoever defends him. Ten years ago, Vince might have been able to keep up with him, but there's no chance at this stage in his career. Ray Allen is successful because of his quick release, and ability to constantly move around and find space. Vince would be gassed fairly quickly if he had to cover Allen for a long period of time. Allen is simply too quick and too crafty, and Vince's knees wouldn't allow him to be competitive on the defensive end.

Our opponent will likely bring up Vince's ability to score. Okay, but take this into account: In 2010, the Celtics played a 6 game series against the Magic. In that series, Allen was constantly covering Mr. Carter. Vince shot 37% from the field and 21% from deep. Comparatively, Ray Allen shot 44% from the field and 42% from deep. In this series, Ray Allen outscored Carter all while attempting less field goal attempts and shooting much better percentages from the floor.

To further show Carter's rapid deterioration: Vince posted his lowest PPG totals and mediocre shooting percentages in 41 starts with the Suns last year. It's normal for a player to digress over time, but Vince went to a team that is known for fast pace, offensive basketball and wasn't able to put it together. He's not capable of being a go-to scorer anymore, and if he can't even average 15ppg for the up tempo Suns, how is he going to do it in this lineup?

On the flip side, Ray Allen is getting better and better with age. Ray is coming off his most productive season as a pro, shooting 49% from the field (career high) and 44% from 3pt range (also a career high). On top of that, Allen posted 4.2 defensive win shares..the highest single season tally of his career. He's getting older and older, and his game (both offense and defense) are getting better and better.

Small Forward
Rudy Gay is more developed player at this point, but Batum is no slouch. Batum is getting better and better as the days pass, and he's had drastic improvements to his game over his first three years. This season, Batum averaged 31 minutes while chipping in 13 points, 4.5 rebounds and a couple assists. He wont put up the same offensive totals as Gay, but we're not asking him to. Realistically, Batum is our fourth option on offense. He will get a ton of open looks, and will be able to save a lot of enegry for the defensive end of the court. He will greatly benefit from having Deron, Allen, and Bargnani on the floor at the same time with him.

Also, our opponent is going to be relying on Gay to score a good percentage of their total points. When has he proven that he can be an efficient, high volume scorer on a consistent basis? His shooting percentages are improving, but Gay hasn't played ONE MINUTE in a playoff game to this point in his career. Can he handle carrying an offensive load for a seven game series against a tough opponent that can throw long defenders at him? Maybe, but we really don't know because he hasn't done it before.

Additionally, though Gay puts up better scoring numbers, Batum actually has a better WS/48 than Gay, by a very large margin. Career wise (since they are both young players), Gay has accounted for an average WS/48 of .074, which is pretty bad. Batum on the other hand has accounted for an average WS/48 of .135, a much more impressive average than Gay.

Gay is further along at this point, but we feel that Batum will be able to bother him on the defensive end with the help of Ray Allen and our excellent bench that consists of Neal, Budinger and Daniels. We can throw a wide variety of defenders at Gay, and attack him from a variety of angles.
Power Forward
Martin is a very good post defender, but he will be exposed when he is taken away from the basket. He isn't quick enough to guard Bargs on a consistent basis, and Bargnani should have no problem finding space to get his shot off. On the flip side, Martin isn't a big scoring threat. While Bargnani is an average defender, he wont have to worry about stopping Martin, who has a borderline non-existent offensive game.

Last season, Martin averaged career lows in PPG, and his lowest rebounding totals since his second year in the league. At 33 years old, it appears that Martin is rapidly declining, and the injuries are starting to add up. Asking him to cover a jump shooter that will take him away from the paint will completely negate Martin's potential impact on the series.

Barganani, on the other hand, is on the upswing of his career. Bargs averaged 22 points per game last season while shooting 45% from the field and 35% from deep, very respectable numbers for a jump shooting big. He also chipped in 5 rebounds and 2 assists, which isn't bad for a player that plays away from the basket. Also, we're not asking him to be a dominant rebounder because we have Okafor at the center position for that.

I also want to bring of Bargs' defense, which is often dimed as 'terrible'. This is simply not true. In the 205 times he was posted up last season, Bargnani held his opponent to just 182 points (0.888 PPP) on just 46.8% shooting. When faced with isolation situations, Bargnani is in the top 17% of the NBA in terms of Points Per Possession (PPP) allowed, giving up just 0.684 points per possession on 29.7% shooting. He's not great in other aspects of the defensive side of the ball such as help rotations, but he isn't the poor defender that everyone makes him out to be.

Emeka Okafor, in terms of points per possession in different scenarios, was the best defensive center in the NBA this past season. Bynum on the other hand had an injury plagued year in which he was only able to start 47 games. In those 47 games he was only able to play 28 minutes. In those 28 minutes he was only able to score 11 points and grab 9 rebounds. Louisville will probably do a good job trying to convince you that Bynum is a franchise center that can dominate a playoff series, but when has that happened? Bynum has yet to exceed 15 PPG for a season, and he has yet to start more than 65 games for an entire season. He is constantly injured, and has yet to show that he can be a playoff contributor.

With the Lakers, Bynum has played in 62 playoff games...and impressive number for a young player. The unimpressive part? In those 62 games, he averages 8 points and 6 rebounds. This is the go-to, dominating, all world center that they have been touting? I just dont see it. He hasn't proven anything. This game is based on production, not potential.

Okafor isn't known for his offense, and I wont pretend that he is, but he's a dominant center and a very adequate rebounder. He is great in man to man defensive situations, help/weak side rotations, and he wont allow anyone to get to the rim. He's a very solid player, and a perfect compliment to the rest of our team. He's a great pick and roll player as well, and should have no problem chipping in 11 points and 11 rebounds with this supporting cast. We aren't asking him to do anything offensively, so his primary task will be to defend Bynum and clog the paint, which we feel he can do excellently.
We feel that our bench is much more capable at holding a lead and even extending a lead than their bench is.

Dooling started 22 games last year, and played excellent defense from the point guard spot.
Gary Neal played in 80 games and gave the Spurs 10 points off the bench while shooting 45% from the field and 42% from deep. He is one of the most productive bench scorers in terms of efficiency, and it was only his rookie season.
Chase Budinger started 22 games as well, and gave the Rockets 10 points, 4 rebounds and 1.5 assists. As a second round pick, he has already outproduced his value, and is getting better every year.
Boris Diaw is one of the most versatile players in the league. He can log minutes at literally every position, and he is one of the best passers for a big man. He started 82 games this season, and averaged 11.3 points, 5 rebounds and 4 assists while shooting very respectable percentages from the field and from 3pt range.
Finally, we have Spencer Hawes. Hawes gets a lot of hate, but as a reserve he is a solid addition to this team. He started 81 games last season for Philly, and averaged 7 points and 6 rebounds while shooting a respectable percentage from the field.

Our bench also has Marquis Daniels and Dexter Pittman. Pittman is a project at this point, but Marquis is still a very solid perimeter defender, and can log minutes at the 1, 2 or 3. He took a pay cut to be a reserve for the Celtics, but Marquis is not too far removed from his 14 PPG days as a starter for the Pacers.
We believe our team is a better overall team than Louisville. Our best players are better than their best players. Our worst players are better than their worst players. Our players compliment each other better than their players do, and we believe that our bench is stronger. No disrespect to Louisville and the guys that constructed the team, because I have a lot of respect for them, but we believe we are the more balanced team, with more talent from top to bottom.

Louisville Writeup:

First off, we’d like to thank everyone who voted for us in the last round. We are proud to pull off one of the biggest upsets ever in a PSD game and hope to continue our success in this next match-up. We wish Syracuse the best of luck and look forward to what should be an excellent match-up.
Overview: Everything looks better on paper
Syracuse is no doubt a very talented team. However, there team is a classic example of a team that looks brilliant on paper and would be significantly worse in real life. They have many problems on defense that start with Bargnani, have no inside presence on offense, and have a weak inexperienced bench. All we ask of voters is to please look closely at the match-ups and really evaluate the talents of each player.
Offensive Philosophy:
The plan will remain the same as we will still be running the ball through Gay and Bynum with Lawson and Carter being the 3rd and 4th options of our team. Except, this time around we face a much worse defensive team than Madison and have an excellent opportunity to exploit match-ups. Okafor will be on an island in the post all season long, as Bargnani is one of the worst defenders in all of basketball. A big part of our game-plan will be to get Okafor in foul trouble and send several different bigs his way to make him work. Match-ups between Bynum and Okafor have been quite close, until this past post-season when Bynum simply dominated Okafor by averaging 15/10/1.8 on 55% and keeping Okafor to a terrible 7pts 5 boards while averaging 4.7 fouls a game. Gay will be the key this series as he has a major advantage over Batum. Batum is no doubt a solid role player, but he hasn’t deserved a shred of the hype he’s received over his career. Gay will be able to put up big numbers on offense during this series and be a deciding factor.
A big key we want to bring up is the Vince Carter-Ray Allen Match-up. While Ray’s value is certainly at an all-time high and he’s coming off an incredible season, it has to be noted that Carter has been able to put up very solid numbers against Ray. In the last 5 head-head match-ups, Carter has put up 16.2 points a game while maintain solid efficiency and keeping Ray to 15.8 points a game. If Carter can be anywhere close to these averages against Ray who is one of Syracuse’s only good defenders, then we feel we can gain a significant advantage.
Lawson will be a major target by the Syracuse team, but we feel it’s not that big of a mismatch as people might think. Even if Williams is fully recovered from his wrist injury, Lawson will be able to run and score quite effectively against a weak defender in Williams.
Overall, we feel Syracuse is a weak defense team with only two solid defenders in the line-up. Even then, we feel we can exploit those match-ups as Carter has had good success against Ray and Bynum destroyed Okafor in the playoffs this year.

Defensive Philosophy:
Here’s where things get interesting. While Syracuse has a seemingly powerhouse offensive squad, they suffer from a lack of a few fundamental needs on offense. Deron Williams is the #1 option on this squad, but how will he do without a big to play off of? He will be forced to create by himself quite a bit more than he’s used to which will lead to more games as he was in NJ rather than Utah. Ray and Bargs are most likely the 2nd and 3rd options and raise some concerns. Will Ray be able to carry the load offensively for a team at 36 and not playing with 3 all-stars around him? He is coming off one of the best seasons of his career, but I have my doubts when he doesn’t have Pierce, Rondo or KG around him to be so efficient with his scoring. Bargs is simply not as good an offensively player as he’s made out to be. Sure, he’s 7’0 and can make a 3, but how will he be able to function where he can’t put up 20+ shots a game? He’s inefficient for a big man and simply is not willing to bang in the post. Even then, Martin will be able to keep Bargs contained and not let him have free reign.
X-factor: Benches
We will once again look to our bench and depth to get us a win this series. Guys like Batum and Okafor have yet to play big minutes and the lack of quality back-ups behind them will hurt Syracuse. Our major advantage on the bench will once again put us over the top in this series as we have the advantage at every position. We hope that voters will take benches into account once again and see that our bench will put Louisville over the top.
Once again, congrats to Syracuse for advancing to the 2nd round and building an excellent team. We feel we match-up really well with them however and would be able to take advantage of their weak team defense and contain there star offensive players. We have the advantage in the post and plan to use it to contain Syracuse on defense. We hope voters can see how close of a match-up this is and takes into account everything both teams bring.
Thank you for reading,

Mr. Baller
09-11-2011, 10:48 AM
I went Louisville

09-11-2011, 10:49 AM
Before we get into it I want to say congrats to jamal an co. they put together a great squad.

09-11-2011, 10:51 AM
I went Louisville

Thanks for the explanation :)

09-11-2011, 11:02 AM
I went Louisville
yea, let's just vote for the lower seed in every matchup with no logic needed :rolleyes:

Louisville's stregnth was there balance and having Bynum at center, but Cuse is the most balanced team in the league and Okafor is a very good defender, so I gotta take Syracuse

09-11-2011, 11:43 AM
Louisville has again done a great job putting themselves in position for an upset. They have several situations in their favor especially in the frontcourt. Bynum should be able to outplay Okafor. Kenyon Martin is the type of PF that could actually extend out to the perimeter and give Bargnani some trouble. Rudy Gay will be able to outplay Batum as well. However, I just think Syracuse has a huge edge in the backcourt. Deron's size will be too much for Lawson to handle. Lawson has played very poorly against Deron this season and the thought of VC chasing Ray Allen around 3 screens just doesn't add up. Syracuse wins in a slugfest.

09-11-2011, 12:36 PM
Syracuse has an advantage in the backcourt, but I like the frontcourt of Louisville. This one's tough but I think the combination of Deron and Ray will be too much.

Deron + Ray will hold a higher impact than Gay + Bynum imo. Bynum is a really good defender in the post but Emeka won't be much of a threat in order for Bynum to use his advantages. Louisville will have to generate it's offense mainly around Gay while Syracuse has more weapons offensively.

09-11-2011, 01:46 PM
Do people really trust Ray at this point in his career to be able to carry a team offensively without 3 all stars and 2 HOF's around him? He made himself a nice niche playing off of KG, Pierce, and Rondo and i'm not confident that Ray will be able to take over a game.

I disagree about Bynum not playing a hgue factor offensively. If he doesn't have to worry abotu Emeka (which he won't) then he will be able to clog the paint and play tremendous help D. He will still impact both sides of the ball.

I'm not sure where KoB is getting that Lawson plays poorly against Williams. In the 2 games he started agaisnt him and got 35+ minutes he put up 24/7.5/3.5 shooting above .600% from the floor. I agree Williams will likely have a big series, but Lawson will be still be able to put upp big numbers on Williams

09-11-2011, 01:47 PM
"Our best players are better than their best players. Our worst players are better than their worst players."

I thought this was funny lol. Does it make a difference if your worst players are better than my worst players?

09-11-2011, 02:19 PM
To me it looks like Cuse has a slightly better starting lineup and more depth on the bench.

Mile High Champ
09-11-2011, 02:31 PM
Give me syracuse here, they are the better proven roster and I like their balance of offense and defense a lot.

09-11-2011, 02:49 PM
"Our best players are better than their best players. Our worst players are better than their worst players."

I thought this was funny lol. Does it make a difference if your worst players are better than my worst players?

Sure. Just pointing out that our roster is better top to bottom.

09-11-2011, 02:52 PM
Meh, this is why i was hoping for the LeBron team lol. My two strengths of being deep and balanced are worthless this series as Syracuse does both better.

09-11-2011, 02:52 PM
Do people really trust Ray at this point in his career to be able to carry a team offensively without 3 all stars and 2 HOF's around him? He made himself a nice niche playing off of KG, Pierce, and Rondo and i'm not confident that Ray will be able to take over a game.

Vince Carter is 'guarding' him.

1) Ray Allen doesn't have to carry our offense. We're balanced.
2) When was the last time Vince was considered a decent defender?
3) How do you expect Vince to survive fighting through multiple picks and constant movement EVERY time down the floor?
4) Ray Allen has been one of the most consistent players ever, why would that suddenly change?

09-11-2011, 10:27 PM
syracuse is still my pick to win it all. said that before the playoffs started

09-11-2011, 10:42 PM
Ah, looks liek it'll be a blowout. If it was a bit closer, i'd tear your write-up apart, but it won't be enough to overcome 17 votes :)

09-12-2011, 09:05 AM
Syracuse. A LOT of scoring around a great passer in Deron Williams. Okafor's defence makes up for Bargnani's lack of defence.

09-12-2011, 12:02 PM
Ah, looks liek it'll be a blowout. If it was a bit closer, i'd tear your write-up apart, but it won't be enough to overcome 17 votes :)

Let's see you try

09-13-2011, 03:13 AM
Syracuse. I don't know who they are matched up with next but this team is super dangerous.