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Mile High Champ
09-09-2011, 09:49 PM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last three years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. Its is now that time to vote! I would like to start this up once more considering the NBA season is now over and we can get to this discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 2 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best.

1) Lebron James
2) Dwight Howard
3) Dwyane Wade
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5)
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8)
9)
10)


2010 Off-Season Best Player Rankings

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Lebron James
3) Dwyane Wade
4) Kevin Durant
5) Chris Paul
6) Dwight Howard
7) Carmelo Anthony
8) Dirk Nowitzki
9) Deron Williams
10) Tim Duncan - Pau Gasol Tie


2009 Off-Season Best Player Rankings

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Lebron James
3) Dwayne Wade
4) Chris Paul
5) Dwight Howard
6) Tim Duncan
7) Dirk Nowitzki
8) Carmelo Anthony
9) Kevin Garnett
10) Brandon Roy

In terms of adding players to the poll, it will be done like this.

As soon as Chris Paul goes off the board, I will add other PG's.
As soon as Dwyane Wade goes off the board, I will add other SG's
As soon as Dirk goes off the board, I will add other power forwards.

And so on and so on..

This is to ensure that players that won their respective positions get a higher place in the top list.

Sadds The Gr8
09-09-2011, 09:51 PM
has to be Dirk here

VCaintdead17
09-09-2011, 09:53 PM
has to be Dirk here

No it doesn't....

Sadds The Gr8
09-09-2011, 09:54 PM
No it doesn't....

yes it does....

Swashcuff
09-09-2011, 09:57 PM
This is where the debate really starts getting good. Between Dirk, Durant and CP3 for me. I'll take Dirk however. Though I can see someone making a real good case for Paul.

juno10
09-09-2011, 10:03 PM
paul-dirk-durant are so close, going with paul here.

Mile High Champ
09-09-2011, 10:14 PM
mods can we sticky this.

Chacarron
09-09-2011, 10:17 PM
CP3. He is a great 2-way player, the best PG in the NBA and was re-gaining his groove in the playoffs.

Bruno
09-09-2011, 11:06 PM
mods can we sticky this.

Got ya.

Baller1
09-09-2011, 11:09 PM
My man, KD.

Hellcrooner
09-09-2011, 11:18 PM
i woudl ahve voted Kobe 1st Durant 2 or Paul but im forced to make a FAKE decision in order to try to avoid a disgrace or mitigate it and vote Dirk,

i will also need to meake a COMPLETELY absurd, corrupt and despaisable and unrealistic vote right after Dirk is gone for the same reason.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
09-09-2011, 11:20 PM
has to be Dirk here

Yup

LayZbone
09-09-2011, 11:24 PM
This is tough. Between Dirka Dirka and CP3 for me.

MELO7NYK/DENfan
09-09-2011, 11:27 PM
Cp3 for 4th and KD shouldnt even be on the poll yet?...

Hawkeye15
09-09-2011, 11:29 PM
Chris Paul

The_Jamal
09-09-2011, 11:31 PM
Big sexy german again

ewmania
09-10-2011, 01:25 AM
paul getting this

next i'm going with kobe

LTBaByyy
09-10-2011, 02:20 AM
Dirk, the dude was god like this season/playoffs

If he didnt get injured, would have got MVP

SportsFanatic10
09-10-2011, 02:22 AM
paul's got my vote.

Chronz
09-10-2011, 02:24 AM
I went Dirk

Avenged
09-10-2011, 02:33 AM
The best PG in the game, Chris Paul.

No problem with Dirk here but it's clear he's getting his votes due to his postseason success. CP3 on the other hand didn't have the luxury of the players Dirk has around him. Heck, his 2nd best player went down for injury and missed the playoffs.

Bulls_fan90
09-10-2011, 02:53 AM
Why is Bynum an option?

Anyway my vote is for Derrick Rose...ohh wait he's not on the poll.

naps
09-10-2011, 03:07 AM
i woudl ahve voted Kobe 1st Durant 2 or Paul but im forced to make a FAKE decision in order to try to avoid a disgrace or mitigate it and vote Dirk,

i will also need to meake a COMPLETELY absurd, corrupt and despaisable and unrealistic vote right after Dirk is gone for the same reason.

Pau ain't getting in top 10 no matter how hard you try. Sorry.

naps
09-10-2011, 03:20 AM
The best point guard on the planet here.

LakersMaster24
09-10-2011, 03:47 AM
It is funny how one playoff run elevates the player in front of NBA fans. If last year, ANYONE on PSD said that Dirk was a Top 5 player in the NBA he would get facepalmed like no tomorrow.

GREATNESS ONE
09-10-2011, 03:57 AM
wooo close one for me but took CP3 barely

naps
09-10-2011, 04:29 AM
It is funny how one playoff run elevates the player in front of NBA fans. If last year, ANYONE on PSD said that Dirk was a Top 5 player in the NBA he would get facepalmed like no tomorrow.

tell me about it!

Knicks21
09-10-2011, 04:42 AM
Cp3

coryd238
09-10-2011, 05:11 AM
CP3

And what is Bynum doing in that list? lmao

SteBO
09-10-2011, 08:00 AM
Chris Paul. Great two-way player, and the best PG in the game right now. Dirk is for sure getting my next vote. He has to be top 5 in my opinion.

allSUAVE
09-10-2011, 08:39 AM
Christopher CP3 Paul

Mile High Champ
09-10-2011, 10:10 AM
i woudl ahve voted Kobe 1st Durant 2 or Paul but im forced to make a FAKE decision in order to try to avoid a disgrace or mitigate it and vote Dirk,

i will also need to meake a COMPLETELY absurd, corrupt and despaisable and unrealistic vote right after Dirk is gone for the same reason.

Hear that? That is the sound of the Smallest Violin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxauqa7rJgI)playing for you... :rolleyes:

Mile High Champ
09-10-2011, 10:13 AM
It is funny how one playoff run elevates the player in front of NBA fans. If last year, ANYONE on PSD said that Dirk was a Top 5 player in the NBA he would get facepalmed like no tomorrow.

Right because what Dirk accomplished this past year is nothing impressive and should simply be ignored... right...

Cano4prez
09-10-2011, 10:17 AM
CP3 for me

29$JerZ
09-10-2011, 10:19 AM
IMO Dirk is 5th and Paul should go 4th here

likemystylez
09-10-2011, 10:23 AM
Right because what Dirk accomplished this past year is nothing impressive and shoudl simply be ignored... right...

Yeah, but I dont think Dirk got better this last year. He's the same player hes been since like 2003. He personally had a great play off run, but Dallas played well as a team as well.

I know he played well, but I dont think he did anything particular during the play offs he personally wasnt able to do over the last 5 yrs or so. He didnt magically get 5 times better at 32 years of age.

Its hard for me to rate him a top 5 player in the league mainly because his defense is atrocious. Hes a clutch player and he makes individual plays that can win games down the stretch.... and I understand the value of that, but I think a lot of fans (especially casual fans) over value that assett in a player. Its the Nick van exel effect, a lot of casual fans thought he was a great player too. Dont get me started on Derek Fisher. BTW- IM not saying dirk is in the same boat as either of those players, I think he is a top tier player in the league, just not a top 5.

Sadds The Gr8
09-10-2011, 10:31 AM
Yeah, but I dont think Dirk got better this last year. He's the same player hes been since like 2003. He personally had a great play off run, but Dallas played well as a team as well.

I know he played well, but I dont think he did anything particular during the play offs he personally wasnt able to do over the last 5 yrs or so. He didnt magically get 5 times better at 32 years of age.

Its hard for me to rate him a top 5 player in the league mainly because his defense is atrocious. Hes a clutch player and he makes individual plays that can win games down the stretch.... and I understand the value of that, but I think a lot of fans (especially casual fans) over value that assett in a player. Its the Nick van exel effect, a lot of casual fans thought he was a great player too. Dont get me started on Derek Fisher. BTW- IM not saying dirk is in the same boat as either of those players, I think he is a top tier player in the league, just not a top 5.

False (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yImkcG7IQeg&feature=related)

Avenged
09-10-2011, 11:00 AM
Pau ain't getting in top 10 no matter how hard you try. Sorry.

Why not?

theheatles
09-10-2011, 11:01 AM
4. chris paul
5. dirk
6. kobe
7. durant
8. deron
9. melo
10. rose

SteBO
09-10-2011, 11:05 AM
Why not?
You think Pau is top 10? Hm, I guess he could be and it will be interesting to see where the majority places him. I think he could very well 9 or 10, but I have a feeling he won't be placed there on these rankings because people are too fixated on his playoff performance.

1-800-STFU
09-10-2011, 11:12 AM
Gotta go with Andrew Bynum.

Was close but he is just so good at pulling people out of the air and slamming them down I gave him the nod.

Avenged
09-10-2011, 11:14 AM
You think Pau is top 10? Hm, I guess he could be and it will be interesting to see where the majority places him. I think he could very well 9 or 10, but I have a feeling he won't be placed there on these rankings because people are too fixated on his playoff performance.

I think he's borderline top 10 but it isn't and shouldn't be far fetched to believe he isn't top 10. He'll most likely not get voted in but he has the stats and is more efficient than Amare and Deron (other players I consider borderline top 10).

If we're going to talk playoffs, well it would depend on who people have ahead of him. Amare? Check out his playoff #'s. If you think Pau sucked, Amare wasn't any better.

Raph12
09-10-2011, 12:12 PM
CP3... No contest.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
09-10-2011, 12:12 PM
4. chris paul
5. dirk
6. kobe
7. durant
8. deron
9. melo
10. rose

melo is not better than rose:speechless:

juno10
09-10-2011, 01:01 PM
False (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yImkcG7IQeg&feature=related)

actually it is but chandler hides almost all of his deficiencies.

LTBaByyy
09-10-2011, 01:01 PM
If CP3 was on the Mavs Dirk would still be the best player

If Dirk went to the Hornets, it would be CP3s team but Dirk would be the best player

Same case they have in Miami, but i had CP3 fifth so im not trippin

Sadds The Gr8
09-10-2011, 01:34 PM
actually it is but chandler hides almost all of his deficiencies.

no...maybe 4-5 years ago u can say that but he's not atrocious on defense at all anymore. anyone who watches closely would see that he's actually average on defense now.

Sadds The Gr8
09-10-2011, 02:01 PM
cant believe cp3 is winning so easily

Hawkeye15
09-10-2011, 02:11 PM
It is funny how one playoff run elevates the player in front of NBA fans. If last year, ANYONE on PSD said that Dirk was a Top 5 player in the NBA he would get facepalmed like no tomorrow.

I agree with the first part of your statement, but its not like Dirk hasn't been a top 5 caliber player for a while now. I chose Paul, because I think he is the better two way player, but if someone can make a case for Dirk, and do it rationally, I have zero issue with the pick

Hawkeye15
09-10-2011, 02:13 PM
holy ****, do we still have people who do not get how this is being run?

Top 5 at each position. As a player is picked, the next player at that position (according to PSD) will enter the list. This is why Bynum will be sitting there for 20 rounds, minimum, and more players keep entering. This attempts to prevent complete homerism. Afterall, how can we have a ranking system that contradicts the position rankings?

The_Jamal
09-10-2011, 03:25 PM
Why isn't Kobe winning? After all, all we heard in the 1st 3 threads is how much ******** it is that Kobe isn't on the top 5 list

LakersMaster24
09-10-2011, 03:37 PM
I agree with the first part of your statement, but its not like Dirk hasn't been a top 5 caliber player for a while now. I chose Paul, because I think he is the better two way player, but if someone can make a case for Dirk, and do it rationally, I have zero issue with the pick

Yea your right. Dirk always had a good case to be a Top 5 player, but very few people to none put him in the Top 5. Right now however, Dirk is an automatic Top 5 NBA player in the eyes of the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I love Dirk, I think what he did in last year's playoffs was amazing. The thing that I am talking about is how the fans switch from one player to another player that quickly.

Hellcrooner
09-10-2011, 04:47 PM
holy ****, do we still have people who do not get how this is being run?

Top 5 at each position. As a player is picked, the next player at that position (according to PSD) will enter the list. This is why Bynum will be sitting there for 20 rounds, minimum, and more players keep entering. This attempts to prevent complete homerism. Afterall, how can we have a ranking system that contradicts the position rankings?

REad the interesting discussion i had with another poster in that regard.
Once this **** is over ill start ( if mods allow me) a different experiment with the rankings and see where it leads.

Probably the first 3 positiosn will be unmoved but the rest would be different.

pebloemer
09-10-2011, 05:15 PM
Dirk then Paul to round out the Top 5 for me. Then it gets really interesting.

JordansBulls
09-10-2011, 07:38 PM
OMG, wtf. Chris Paul over Dirk?????:speechless:

Dirk knocks off the top 3 players on last year's list without HCA and without another star and now he is will battling for 5th. :laugh2:

GoPacers33
09-10-2011, 08:15 PM
Y the **** is Bynum an option

KnicksorBust
09-10-2011, 09:04 PM
If CP3 was on the Mavs Dirk would still be the best player

If Dirk went to the Hornets, it would be CP3s team but Dirk would be the best player

Same case they have in Miami, but i had CP3 fifth so im not trippin

This post might be oversimplifying the whole issue but I tend to agree with it and the post quoted below is one the main reasons.


OMG, wtf. Chris Paul over Dirk?????:speechless:

Dirk knocks off the top 3 players on last year's list without HCA and without another star and now he is will battling for 5th. :laugh2:

bholly
09-10-2011, 09:04 PM
OMG, wtf. Chris Paul over Dirk?????:speechless:

Dirk's team knocks off the top 3 players on last year's list without HCA and without another star and now he is will battling for 5th. :laugh2:

I don't know why the bolded is so hard for you to understand. The NBA isn't one-on-one.

KnicksorBust
09-10-2011, 09:04 PM
I'm really interested to see where a certain all-time great will go now. With Bynum blocking him, this will be the great fall of Tim Duncan.

Swashcuff
09-10-2011, 09:55 PM
I'm really interested to see where a certain all-time great will go now. With Bynum blocking him, this will be the great fall of Tim Duncan.

TD is no longer top 10 Pau however has a case.

beasted86
09-10-2011, 10:06 PM
Call me crazy, but I'm not sure when or what Chris Paul did to pass Kobe.
I don't need to see the stats. I'm watching the two play, and Kobe is still better.

TheRunKiller
09-10-2011, 10:47 PM
cant believe cp3 is winning so easily

No way he's a top 4 player in the league.

Sadds The Gr8
09-10-2011, 11:10 PM
I love CP3 but i dunno how the **** he is winning over Dirk...I think these advanced stats are corrupting too many minds right now...

Hellcrooner
09-10-2011, 11:27 PM
theres a REASOn why Paul is winning this with THIS margin.

Its AGENDA , due to the system.,

Rose homers ( wich we all know exist in THOUSENDS in PSD ) want their dude available ASAP.

Hellcrooner
09-10-2011, 11:29 PM
TD is no longer top 10 Pau however has a case.

Not THIS YEAR, after the playoff fiasco.

BUT he shouldnt fall much, 12 at worst case scenario.

But thanks to the "magnificent" system he may EVEN fall out of the top 20.
Barring Homer Knick Fans, enter to the rescue soon voting Dirk first of course.

Swashcuff
09-10-2011, 11:35 PM
Not THIS YEAR, after the playoff fiasco.

BUT he shouldnt fall much, 12 at worst case scenario.

But thanks to the "magnificent" system he may EVEN fall out of the top 20.
Barring Homer Knick Fans, enter to the rescue soon voting Dirk first of course.

How would your top 10 look then? IMO Pau is fighting for the tenth spot and should be on the poll.

Also if people were really taking the playoffs so seriously why did Avenged24, Hawkeye15, Khalifa21, patSOXknicks, SteBO and tredigs all vote CP3 over Dirk? They are all among the best posters on here. I don't think Pau's bad post season will hurt him as badly as you think.

Chacarron
09-10-2011, 11:37 PM
The reason Chris Paul is winning is because he is the best PG in the NBA and is the best two-way player available.

Hellcrooner
09-10-2011, 11:42 PM
How would your top 10 look then? IMO Pau is fighting for the tenth spot and should be on the poll.

Also if people were really taking the playoffs so seriously why did Avenged24, Hawkeye15, Khalifa21, patSOXknicks, SteBO and tredigs all vote CP3 over Dirk? They are all among the best posters on here. I don't think Pau's bad post season will hurt him as badly as you think.

THIS SEASON ( not career)

1 Lebron
2 Dirk
3 Wade
4 Rose
5 Kobe
6 Howard
7 Durant
8 Paul
9 Pau ( homer pick)
10 Stoudamire.

ManningToTyree
09-10-2011, 11:48 PM
I got here too late for the poll. I would go CP3 here too. I think Dirk is actually starting to get way overhyped because of the championship. He is still a poor defender

ManRam
09-10-2011, 11:57 PM
theres a REASOn why Paul is winning this with THIS margin.

Its AGENDA , due to the system.,

Rose homers ( wich we all know exist in THOUSENDS in PSD ) want their dude available ASAP.

You are something else some times :laugh:

I don't see a single Bulls fan up there that voted for Paul :laugh2:

Swashcuff
09-11-2011, 12:03 AM
You are something else some times :laugh:

I don't see a single Bulls fan up there that voted for Paul :laugh2:

I see 2.... :shrug: let's exclude them :speechless: Paul still wins... oh well :(

bholly
09-11-2011, 12:17 AM
Hellcrooner haven't you openly admitted that you're basing your votes on getting your guy up there? How are you calling other people homers and criticizing them for doing it?

You're the one who ruins these things. You and the others like you.

Hellcrooner
09-11-2011, 12:19 AM
Hellcrooner haven't you openly admitted that you're basing your votes on getting your guy up there? How are you calling other people homers and criticizing them for doing it?

You're the one who ruins these things. You and the others like you.

i have stated a fact of what happens, dont remember calling them up for doing it.

Da Bears!17
09-11-2011, 01:05 AM
all around, it's definitely Chris Paul.

LTBaByyy
09-11-2011, 01:13 AM
If Dirk doesnt win 5th best player in the NBA, I will never get on PSD anymore.

(Did enough bragging anyways on my 1st PSD season after winning the NBA Championship)

Hawkeye15
09-11-2011, 01:26 AM
Yea your right. Dirk always had a good case to be a Top 5 player, but very few people to none put him in the Top 5. Right now however, Dirk is an automatic Top 5 NBA player in the eyes of the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I love Dirk, I think what he did in last year's playoffs was amazing. The thing that I am talking about is how the fans switch from one player to another player that quickly.

agree man. And I honestly think its hilarious that people think all of a sudden Dirk is a much better player because his team won a chip. I mean, he is Dirk. Great player. Has been for 10 years. Being a member of a constant contender that finally broke thru doesn't just make you a ton better.

Hawkeye15
09-11-2011, 01:30 AM
If Dirk doesnt win 5th best player in the NBA, I will never get on PSD anymore.

(Did enough bragging anyways on my 1st PSD season after winning the NBA Championship)

Um, Dirk goes next. He better anyways....

Sadds The Gr8
09-11-2011, 01:55 AM
If Dirk doesnt win 5th best player in the NBA, I will never get on PSD anymore.

yea if he isn't 5th this forum would be an absolute ****ing disgrace

TheRunKiller
09-11-2011, 02:12 AM
If Dirk doesnt win 5th best player in the NBA, I will never get on PSD anymore.

(Did enough bragging anyways on my 1st PSD season after winning the NBA Championship)

LOL don't let it bother you its just PSD it doesn't mean ****.

LakersMaster24
09-11-2011, 02:22 AM
agree man. And I honestly think its hilarious that people think all of a sudden Dirk is a much better player because his team won a chip. I mean, he is Dirk. Great player. Has been for 10 years. Being a member of a constant contender that finally broke thru doesn't just make you a ton better.

Exactly my point. He really deserves to be #5 though.

da ThRONe
09-11-2011, 11:37 AM
If we have a season this year I think CP3 will be competing for the number one spot. With his skill, knowledge, leadership, and tenacity. Coupled with being the healthiest since his 07-08 season.

da ThRONe
09-11-2011, 11:43 AM
That's funny I'm going with Kobe at 5th.

jericho
09-11-2011, 12:26 PM
i didnt on time to vote but seriously who voted for bynum that has to be joke he not even top 20 wow lol that has to be some homerism