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Punk
09-08-2011, 09:38 PM
Following another long meeting on Thursday, the owners and players have agreed to bring full committees to the negotiating table on Tuesday.

David Stern said there is nothing formal to present to larger committees. Time was right to see if there will "be a deal or shouldn't be a deal."

The two sides met on both Wednesday and Thursday this week.

"We think it's getting to be an important time and it was a good idea to have larger committees," said Stern.

Read more: http://basketball.******.com/wiretap/215516/Larger_CBA_Meeting_Scheduled_For_Tuesday#ixzz1XPmw AvHR


Almost everything is riding on Tuesday but the fact they have decided to expand the meetings to a larger extent is a great sign which means they have atleast decided to review everything and possibly move forward with something. They wouldn't meet if it was the same old offers and posturing from June.

DoMeFavors
09-08-2011, 09:42 PM
Hope all goes well on Tuesday, if something goes wrong the two sides could stop talking for months before talking again. Lets all pray.

NYman15
09-08-2011, 09:44 PM
Tuesday is the big day. Unfortunately, I'm not optimistic. Hope I'm wrong though.

likemystylez
09-08-2011, 09:49 PM
Hope all goes well on Tuesday, if something goes wrong the two sides could stop talking for months before talking again. Lets all pray.

I dont think its quite as do or die as that, but it is a big day and could be a gigantic step forward.

Nothing in that article suggests that tuesday is a do or die situation..... but it does appear that tuesday is a great opportunity to gain serious momentum towards a deal.

LOOTERX9
09-08-2011, 10:06 PM
I don't trust dictator Stern

Mishmin
09-08-2011, 10:11 PM
These days the nba is like a soap opera. What with this decision first, and now all this..

asandhu23
09-08-2011, 10:11 PM
OH HeLL YES. **** IS ABOUT RUN DOWN STERN'S PANTS.

mzgrizz
09-08-2011, 10:14 PM
:pray: that cooler heads will prevail

WolvesJagsOs
09-08-2011, 10:18 PM
that link doesnt work...

NBA_Starter
09-08-2011, 10:19 PM
Let's get it :pray:

CB29
09-08-2011, 10:29 PM
:pray:

jeter 2
09-08-2011, 10:32 PM
Hopefully, it happens soon. I want to see Melo and Amare take down Miami this year, not next year lol.

likemystylez
09-08-2011, 10:32 PM
These days the nba is like a soap opera. What with this decision first, and now all this..

hahaha

SteBO
09-08-2011, 10:53 PM
I really don't want to put too much stock into tuesday. I think we should at least hope there won't be any setbacks on that day. We'll be okay after that.

mightybosstone
09-08-2011, 10:58 PM
Hopefully, it happens soon. I want to see Melo and Amare take down Miami this year, not next year lol.

Barring a serious injury or you doing this in a videogame, I think you could wait an eternity for this to happen...

Punk
09-08-2011, 11:27 PM
Barring a serious injury or you doing this in a videogame, I think you could wait an eternity for this to happen...

Unless the Heat trade LeBron for Dwight, It is realistic for NY or Chicago to take out Miami.

DR_1
09-08-2011, 11:48 PM
^^^What about Boston?

Iron24th
09-09-2011, 08:49 AM
I don't think tuesday is the day,but if it gives them some momentum to sign someting in like 2 or 3 weeks,it's a good sign.

likemystylez
09-09-2011, 10:28 AM
Well if nothing else comes out after tuesdays larger meeting and thursdays seperate meetings amongst the even bigger groups of players and the meeting between just the owners and their reps....

If nothing else comes out of it... I would expect a plethora of "hacked twitter accounts". Theres no way they can keep that many people quiet.

I dont know if its a good thing when the players or owners talk though. I like getting the information (although there is no real way to know how accurate it is).... but I think the media can twist things around and cause miscommunication.... which I think could be a distraction when the two sides are in the room. At this point, there simply isnt time for distractions.

It appears as though there is some progress being made the way things are right now. I think it is more progress than what the owners or players are saying.... but they dont want to get ahead of themselves before they figure everything out.

juno10
09-09-2011, 11:11 AM
Unless the Heat trade LeBron for Dwight, It is realistic for NY or Chicago to take out Miami.

you have to play some semblance of defense to beat the heat.

omdigga
09-09-2011, 11:23 AM
bring back the NBA.. cant have one of the most exciting seasons ever followed by a lockout..

calakers
09-09-2011, 11:35 AM
ill go to church on sunday to pray for the deal to get done

SteBO
09-09-2011, 11:37 AM
Unless the Heat trade LeBron for Dwight, It is realistic for NY or Chicago to take out Miami.
Knicks sure can take out the Heat if they decide to play consistent defense(Mike Woodson alone is not going to cut it). Otherwise, the Knicks will have a tough time whether the Heat trade LeBron for Dwight or not though the Heat don't really need him anyway.

da ThRONe
09-09-2011, 11:54 AM
If the numbers we're getting from the owners are true and their goal is to make a profit, and if the only plan is to take away from the players we aren't close.

jiggin
09-09-2011, 12:04 PM
David Stern said there is nothing formal to present to larger committees.

nothing sounds new...doubt any progress comes from Tuesday.

JordansBulls
09-09-2011, 01:42 PM
you have to play some semblance of defense to beat the heat.

The Mavs???

SteBO
09-09-2011, 01:57 PM
The Mavs???
The discussion was involving the Knicks.

JordansBulls
09-09-2011, 02:12 PM
I think having a lockout will be better overall in the long run for the league as far as lowering salaries.

Immoknight
09-09-2011, 02:26 PM
I think having a lockout will be better overall in the long run for the league as far as lowering salaries.

Yea, but that doesn't stop stupid... stupid owners/GM's giving huge contracts to average players... that will not be stopped.

jiggin
09-09-2011, 03:52 PM
Yea, but that doesn't stop stupid... stupid owners/GM's giving huge contracts to average players... that will not be stopped.

uhhh yeah it will, if there is a hard cap in place...thus why they want it...and the players do not. It will keep the salaries for the players down significantly unless you want one superstar making super bank and a bunch of $150,000 scrubs around him...

Slimsim
09-09-2011, 04:15 PM
people like dAN gilbert will make sure something goes wrong

SteBO
09-09-2011, 04:16 PM
people like dAN gilbert will make sure something goes wrong
Haha, I could only imagine.

Ezio
09-09-2011, 04:18 PM
Doubt anything major happens. But this will probably be a step towards the right direction. Owners probably heard about all the lost revenue and decided to jump the ship.

mttwlsn16
09-09-2011, 04:20 PM
whens the season scheduled to start?

SteBO
09-09-2011, 04:22 PM
whens the season scheduled to start?
Pre-season games will run throught October, but the official start of the regular season would be Nov. 1st. Before preseason though, would be a one week free agency frenzy.

mttwlsn16
09-09-2011, 04:24 PM
thanks

likemystylez
09-10-2011, 12:39 AM
Does anbody have any expierience with labor union negotiations (in any field really)?

I was wondering when the sides are ready to agree on a propsal or a portion of a proposal, do the sides vote on it, or does every member of the ownership side and every member of the players association have to agree?

I am hopeing for the sake of time.... that it is a vote, because Id hate for 1 or 2 greedy owners to be holding this thing up for everyone. I cant imagine a player wanting to be the guy who was singled out LOL. Also- I dont expect all the players to show up, while I do expect every owner to be involved.

naps
09-10-2011, 04:36 AM
I don't think they will decide something final on Tuesday. It will take at least couple more meetings. But I know for sure that they won't want to lose much time because it involves the risk of losing fans. Fans will not just sit on their *** and cry for NBA, people always find a way for entertainment. Stern knows human nature very well.

naps
09-10-2011, 04:55 AM
As I mentioned in the post above, here's the Stern's after-meeting interview (http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/steve_aschburner/09/08/labor-talks/index.html#) where he says this needs to be resolved in the month of September. So we are not losing any games at all if this belief becomes true.

likemystylez
09-10-2011, 10:03 AM
I don't think they will decide something final on Tuesday. It will take at least couple more meetings. But I know for sure that they won't want to lose much time because it involves the risk of losing fans. Fans will not just sit on their *** and cry for NBA, people always find a way for entertainment. Stern knows human nature very well.

I dont think a final decision will be made on tuesday, but I think the two meetings are ready to start the stages of negotiation. I don't think they are sitting there trying to find a common ground on each and every one of the 25-30 issues being discussed. (Obviously some of the issues are bigger and more important to both sides than others)

I think the way they negotiate a lot of the issues, especially the smaller ones is that they trade issues. For instants, the owners say we will go your way on the rookie contract scale if the trade exception issue and the contract extension issue go our way. (completely hypathetical)

The bigger meeting on tuesday might be hammering out some of these ideas to make sure that there arent parties on either side that have a problem with any of the issues already informally agreed on by the smaller group.

Or maybe there is a plan on how to solve one of the bigger issues like salary cap or BRI sharing. Maybe the plan is stretched out over x years making the hit not so bad right now for either side.

Clearly, something is different about the uesday meeting than the last 3. based on the little amount of info that has come out of the meetings and the continued meetings (roger mason's hacked twitter account).....I would guess that there is progression.

Also- if things were going really bad in there.... Stern would say so, just as he did after the august 1st meeting.

That said- bigger meetings have potential to get a lot more complicated and slower going. I am hoping that the players dont bring their agents to the meeting, because from what im hearing... agents dont want the players to give up anything but at the same time the agents are offering zero solutions on how to resolve this issue. The agents game plan is just to wait it out..... and for many players, that isnt a realistic option. Owners probably dont want to do that, but they would survive a lot easier than the players

GoPacers33
09-10-2011, 10:28 AM
:pray:

likemystylez
09-10-2011, 10:37 AM
:pray:

That's pretty much what I meant to say. ;)

GiantsSwaGG
09-10-2011, 12:28 PM
I don't trust Stern & I definitely don't trust the players...There won't be a 2012 NBA season BOOK IT!

Jays Claw
09-10-2011, 12:34 PM
I doubt that both sides come to an agreement after Tuesday's meeting. However, I do think that we'll either see a step in the right direction, or a step back in terms of getting a deal done.

Hunter48MVP
09-10-2011, 01:02 PM
I demand a NBA season! Lets all hope they get a deal done.

RipCity32
09-10-2011, 02:08 PM
I think the players are realizing the deals are only going to get worse not better,so not having season just puts less money in their pockets so they might as well cave in now because I don't think the owners are going to budge.

Punk
09-10-2011, 08:47 PM
Possible Tuesday Proposal From Owners Could Begin Significant Movement
Sep 10, 2011 11:37 AM EDT

As the owners and players have been negotiating a new collective bargaining agreement, there has been no formal movement on the two topics that have dominated the talks, split of revenues and the cap system.

The owners could make a formal proposal on Tuesday, which would be the first in the negotiations since players added a sixth year to their proposal on June 30th.

"The reality is, until one side or the other is ready to make significant movement, nothing is going to happen," one of the people briefed on the talks said.
Via Ken Berger/CBS Sports

Read more: http://basketball.******.com/wiretap/215538/Possible_Tuesday_Proposal_From_Owners_Could_Begin_ Significant_Movement#ixzz1XbHEBdmI

Here's hoping someone caves. At this point, I don't care who.

king4day
09-10-2011, 09:09 PM
Given how many guys have started signing overseas (at least 3 permanently in china for the year so far), i just can't see a deal getting done.
Defiently a good sign.

likemystylez
09-10-2011, 09:33 PM
I don't trust Stern & I definitely don't trust the players...There won't be a 2012 NBA season BOOK IT!

Ok so you dont trust either side. But currently both sides are saying NOTHING one way or the other... but in the past both sides have suggested that it was unlikely that they will have a season..... seeing as you DO NOT trust them.... you should believe they were lieing when they said they were concerned about there not being a season and infact there WILL be an NBA season?

After the august 1st meeting david stern seemd very concerned and frusterated in post game interviews. Infact both sides attacked the other side for not negotiationg. Since you dont trust both sides... that would mean that in reality both sides WERE NEGOTIATING right?.

likemystylez
09-10-2011, 09:35 PM
I think the players are realizing the deals are only going to get worse not better,so not having season just puts less money in their pockets so they might as well cave in now because I don't think the owners are going to budge.

well... the owners are asking for a 6-8% reduction in upcoming salaries with a new cba term of 10 years. If they miss this season... the players immediately give up 10% of the next 10 yrs..... THEY would be better off immediatly opting for the 8% reduction.

jeter 2
09-10-2011, 09:40 PM
you have to play some semblance of defense to beat the heat.

The Heat also need to play defense on the Knicks. The Knicks are a lot better than they are given credit for. Billups and Amare both missed games during the playoffs. If they were healthy, the Knicks could have taken the Celtics to 6, 7 games. The Knicks need to work on closing late game situations. If you actually paid attention to the Knicks, this would seem obvious to you.

MTar786
09-11-2011, 08:36 AM
The Heat also need to play defense on the Knicks. The Knicks are a lot better than they are given credit for. Billups and Amare both missed games during the playoffs. If they were healthy, the Knicks could have taken the Celtics to 6, 7 games. The Knicks need to work on closing late game situations. If you actually paid attention to the Knicks, this would seem obvious to you.

the knicks arent ever going to beat miami or anyone elite for that matter as long as they ave dantoni.

secondly.. in dantoni offense. nash+amare > melo+amare

so if you guys are planning on keeping melo and amare then you'll need to trade or sign someone that is atleast almost an all star type of player.. like a lamar odom or a defensive specialist etc etc.. a center would help too.. or maybe someone who knows the meaning of defense on your team. and no, billups is not the answer.. he is too old now

Punk
09-11-2011, 04:21 PM
the knicks arent ever going to beat miami or anyone elite for that matter as long as they ave dantoni.


Really? We sure came close to beating Boston twice if it wasn't for injuries.



secondly.. in dantoni offense. nash+amare > melo+amare
Lol And you can make that conclusion how? Nash & Amare played together for more than 29 games.


so if you guys are planning on keeping melo and amare then you'll need to trade or sign someone that is atleast almost an all star type of player.. like a lamar odom or a defensive specialist etc etc.. a center would help too.. or maybe someone who knows the meaning of defense on your team. and no, billups is not the answer.. he is too old now
....Did you not hear that we signed Mike Woodson as a defensive coach? Drafted Iman Shumpert that can be a lockdown defender and add some size?

We have good defensive players. We need rebounding players and hard nose guys. We don't need to be a fantastic defensive team but we can lock teams down when we want too which is why we need consistency.

If anything, we will be similar to Dallas.

Kidd - Billups
Stevenson - Shumpert
Butler - Melo
Dirk - Amare
Barea - Douglas
Marion - Fields

You get the picture.

Duddy
09-12-2011, 05:10 PM
Really? We sure came close to beating Boston twice if it wasn't for injuries.



Lol And you can make that conclusion how? Nash & Amare played together for more than 29 games.

....Did you not hear that we signed Mike Woodson as a defensive coach? Drafted Iman Shumpert that can be a lockdown defender and add some size?

We have good defensive players. We need rebounding players and hard nose guys. We don't need to be a fantastic defensive team but we can lock teams down when we want too which is why we need consistency.

If anything, we will be similar to Dallas.

Kidd - Billups
Stevenson - Shumpert
Butler - Melo
Dirk - Amare
Barea - Douglas
Marion - Fields

You get the picture.

Tyson Chandler? Jason Terry? Hell, even Haywood is much better than what you have at Center

Punk
09-12-2011, 07:14 PM
Tyson Chandler? Jason Terry? Hell, even Haywood is much better than what you have at Center

Despite Butler and Melo matching up in terms of height, weight, style of aggression, I'd say our Jason Terry is Carmelo. Amare is still the #1 leader.

I'm pretty sure until a CBA is decided we will go the Miami route and sign a bunch of veteran centers and rotate them much like Anthony, Z, Dampier, Jamal.

If the CBA restricts another max contract, you can expect us to use the money to sign a long term defensive presence and maybe add more guys like Rip Hamilton, Barnes, etc.

todu82
09-12-2011, 08:20 PM
This sounds positive. Hope it works out.

TheRunKiller
09-12-2011, 09:55 PM
Do we find out tomorrow if there will be a season this year? :pray:

likemystylez
09-12-2011, 11:56 PM
Do we find out tomorrow if there will be a season this year? :pray:

I dont think they will announce a season or not tommorow, but I think if there is a good feel after the meeting.... then the season starting on time becomes very likely. It will be incredibly telling to watch the Fisher and Stern interviews after the meeting tommorow.... I dont think either of them will say anything specific either way, but if things go bad... I think it will be all over their faces and in their tones of voice.

For more details, Id keep an eye out for potentially hacked twitter accounts of players towards the end of the week. Thats just a lot of inmature individuals to be running around with important information. The likelyhood of some of them talking... is extremely high.