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Shmontaine
09-07-2011, 04:30 PM
VILNIUS, Lithuania — After an overnight flight connecting through Helsinki, Finland, I bumped into a scout for the Denver Nuggets near the tourist information booth at the quaint little airport here where the second round of EuroBasket is taking place.

Whether he knows it or not, he may be here scouting future third-round draft picks.

That’s right: Third round.

SheridanHoops.com has learned that NBA owners have proposed adding a third round to the annual draft, a proposal that the players’ union has countered by offering an array of changes to the draft that would help address the owners’ desire for more competitive balance.

According to sources involved in the league’s collective bargaining discussions, the union has proposed various changes to the draft:

_ Under one proposal, the 15 teams with the worst records would continue to pick 1st through 15th, but then would also have the 16th through 30th picks. The teams with the top 15 records would have the first 15 picks of the second round, then would have the 44th through 60th picks, too. Under this proposal, the Chicago Bulls (whose 62-20 record was the league’s best last season) would have the 45th and 60th picks instead of the 30th and 30th picks. The Minnesota Timberwolves, who had the NBA’s worst record (17-65), would have their lottery pick and the 16th pick, but would no longer have the first pick of the second round — No. 31 overall.

_ Under another proposal, the teams with the eight worst records would get an additional first round pick, beginning with selection No. 22, and the teams with the eight best records would have no first-round picks but would select at the top of the second round (picks 31 through 38), then also would get the final eight picks of the second round.

There hasn’t been a third round in an NBA draft since 1988 (Anthony Mason, selected by Portland, was the most memorable pick of that third round), as the following season the draft was shortened to two rounds. The draft was seven rounds from 1985-87, and longer before that (Little-known fact: The Chicago Bulls drafted sprinter Carl Lewis in the 10th round in 1984, even though he had not played high school or college basketball. That was the same year Chicago drafted Michael Jordan No. 3 overall).

The draft negotiations have been one of the few side issues that have been discussed during the labor talks, which have centered mainly on the split of revenues between the owners and players. As reported here yesterday, the sides are closer on the money than they have been leading everyone to believe.

Labor talks will resume today in New York.

http://sheridanhoops.com/2011/09/07/exclusive-nba-wants-3rd-round-in-draft/

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Shmontaine
09-07-2011, 04:39 PM
I guess it's a good idea... i just don't know if there's that much talent to have 3 rounds... it would definitely make good teams trade up a lot more and the bad teams would have some leverage in any trade... 2 first round picks every year...

JasonJohnHorn
09-07-2011, 04:45 PM
Three rounds? Most teams don't even keep their second round pick?

Three rounds is a bit much. I like having it like this. If there are really great scouts out there they can pick up undrafted talent regardless of where they select in the draft, and giving $#!TTY teams the first thirty picks just seems like a bit much. Mid-level playoff teams deserve a chance to get better as much as the floundering lottery teams. You shouldnt get rewarded THAT MUCH for sucking. Its like a build in failsafe for guys who don't know how to draft to get a good player. Survival of the fittest I say. Worst to first from frist to last, and maybe give the ****** teams two second round picks instead of one.

Teams like the Hawks and the 76ers and the nuggets and Jazz deserve and need high picks just as much as teams Charlotte and Goldenstate. No reason the penalize them for making the playoffs.

Hellcrooner
09-07-2011, 05:13 PM
there used to be 10 rounds, so why not.

and there were a good amount of very good players that got picked in lower rounds than 3rd.

da ThRONe
09-07-2011, 05:21 PM
As long as big market teams can spend however much they want to. Competition will be an issue. You can give none playoff teams the whole draft. If the big market teams can just acquire them during free agency same probelm.

DodgerBulls
09-07-2011, 05:30 PM
This would suck for most players right now as we all know if you're a second rounder, there is a good chance that you might not play in an NBA game. But hey, more talents can be seen so that's also a positive side. But does that mean the owners have to pay less per talent corresponding to the round they got picked? Lower rookie scale salary?

BlinkManJan02
09-07-2011, 05:32 PM
To me it doesn't make much sense either, cause like someone said..teams don't even keep their second round pics (for the most part). Teams always find future gems in lower rounds though.

LakersMaster24
09-07-2011, 05:33 PM
Three rounds? I mean its one in a 30 chance, that one of those guys can make an NBA roster, let alone contribute to their team.

Cal827
09-07-2011, 05:48 PM
I think they should make it like the NHL. The maximum a team can move up in position is 5 (if they "win" the lottery). For example the 9th place Devils actually won the lottery (last team out of lottery balls), but they only moved to 4th overall in the draft. In the event of a team lower than 6th wins the lotto, the 1st overall pick is handed to the worst team in the NHL. (E.g. The Oilers had a 49% chance of getting 1st overall, 25 cause of worst record + % of the event that the 7th, 8th and so on until 14th placed teams won) This basically prevents the already decent teams from winning the lottery (Like 10-14, who usually just miss out by a little bit), and it basically ensures that the worst teams get better.

The double picks for the lotto teams is unfair because it wouldn't help teams, that are in the midst of a rebuild to make the playoffs. For example, Indiana isn't a polished product yet. If they didn't have their pick, they wouldn't really be able to grow out of a lower East team.

knicks=love
09-07-2011, 05:55 PM
don't like it. a lot of 2nd rounders don't even see that much playing time on the court, so what's the point? :shrug:

BranWingss
09-07-2011, 06:08 PM
I'd actually like to see this if they actually develop a D-League, much like the NHL does their AHL. These leagues are actually used, and get shown a bit on TV. We could see some actual prospects in there developing.

jimbobjarree
09-07-2011, 06:18 PM
2 1st rounders? Just giving more assets to the clueless owners of the worst franchises

Fresno
09-07-2011, 06:35 PM
Like I said in the other thread, the only reason for a 3rd round is if you're adding more players to the talent pool with letting HS Seniors enter the NBA Draft again. We'll see way more entering nowadays, espescially if they follow through on a 2-3 year limit for college basketball.

I really dont understand why it stopped in the first place.

2005:
Martell Webster - NBA 6th Man
Andrew Bynum - NBA starter
Gerald Green - Had a ridiculously low bball IQ but was a decent player
CJ Miles - NBA 6th Man
Ricky Sanchez - Didnt make a team
Monta Ellis - NBA starter
Lou Williams - NBA 6th Man
Andray Blatche - NBA starter
Amir Johnson - NBA 6th Man

Its not like all of these guys fell flat on their faces in the NBA. It took time for them each to develop, but most have done well for themselves.

Corey
09-07-2011, 07:01 PM
Like I said in the other thread, the only reason for a 3rd round is if you're adding more players to the talent pool with letting HS Seniors enter the NBA Draft again. We'll see way more entering nowadays, espescially if they follow through on a 2-3 year limit for college basketball.

I really dont understand why it stopped in the first place.

2005:
Martell Webster - NBA 6th Man
Andrew Bynum - NBA starter
Gerald Green - Had a ridiculously low bball IQ but was a decent player
CJ Miles - NBA 6th Man
Ricky Sanchez - Didnt make a team
Monta Ellis - NBA starter
Lou Williams - NBA 6th Man
Andray Blatche - NBA starter
Amir Johnson - NBA 6th Man

Its not like all of these guys fell flat on their faces in the NBA. It took time for them each to develop, but most have done well for themselves.

Annnnnnd all those players could have benefited from a year or two in college to develop.

TheNumber37
09-07-2011, 07:06 PM
The arguement that teams don't keep their 2nd round is moot. The 3rd woule be RC Buford's wet dream - a round dedicated to stashinq and stealing Euro- talent

Ovratd1up
09-07-2011, 07:09 PM
Annnnnnd all those players could have benefited from a year or two in college to develop.

A lot of them could benefit more by earning a pro salary as soon as they can play. Financial security for a lot of these urban kids is a lot more important than taking a couple years of college to develop more sound fundamentals.

Punk
09-07-2011, 08:01 PM
3 rounds is good but there is hardly enough talent to go 3 rounds unless we are talking about established players who have never played in the NBA become eligible.

They need to make the D-League usage mandatory as well.

5ass
09-07-2011, 08:16 PM
3 rounds is good but there is hardly enough talent to go 3 rounds unless we are talking about established players who have never played in the NBA become eligible.

They need to make the D-League usage mandatory as well.

2 rounds, and 3rd round must be from the d-league. I like it. Makes the d-league better and the NBA better (more talent pool)

llemon
09-07-2011, 08:32 PM
Management proposal is kinda strange.

Union proposal is INSANE.

Just eliminate the MLE, for Kryssakes.

MrfadeawayJB
09-07-2011, 08:45 PM
I'll pass, like someone said the talent pool drains after round 2

GoPacers33
09-07-2011, 08:51 PM
If they would change it it would be to go down to one roUNd IMO

THE MTL
09-07-2011, 09:00 PM
I dont think that is right at all. The 15 worse teams already get to pick "FIRST", now in case they F up they get a second chance later in the same round.

This sounds like NBA Communism. Trying to make everything even, well this is AMERICA where everything isnt always going to be fair!

Bulls_fan90
09-07-2011, 09:14 PM
Don't like this idea at all. Look at the players drafted at the end of this years draft. No thanks.

Fresno
09-07-2011, 09:21 PM
Annnnnnd all those players could have benefited from a year or two in college to develop.

Just like it helped Josh McRoberts, Julian Wright, & Richard Hendrix right?

1 or 2 years in college doesnt define how good a player will be in the NBA. In reality, for some players it hurts their draft stock because there will be a noticeable 3 year gap between your senior year of HS and a Sophmore year in which not much improvement was made. Thats why many would & should strike while the iron is hot.

GREATNESS ONE
09-07-2011, 09:23 PM
Love this Idea

Cosmic_Canon
09-07-2011, 09:25 PM
I'd actually like to see this if they actually develop a D-League, much like the NHL does their AHL. These leagues are actually used, and get shown a bit on TV. We could see some actual prospects in there developing.

My man :clap:

ChiSox219
09-07-2011, 09:26 PM
A lot of them could benefit more by earning a pro salary as soon as they can play. Financial security for a lot of these urban kids is a lot more important than taking a couple years of college to develop more sound fundamentals.

+1

also, it's not like kids stop learning or improving just because they leave college early. The NBA has most of the greatest coaches in the world and these teams have the resources to hire several specialist coaches. Also, these kids get to practice against the best talent in the world.

Put it this way, would you rather do an unpaid internship at your local bank or get paid while learning from some of the wealthiest people in the world how to ibank on wall street?

llemon
09-07-2011, 09:27 PM
Just like it helped Josh McRoberts, Julian Wright, & Richard Hendrix right?

1 or 2 years in college doesnt define how good a player will be in the NBA. In reality, for some players it hurts their draft stock because there will be a noticeable 3 year gap between your senior year of HS and a Sophmore year in which not much improvement was made. Thats why many would & should strike while the iron is hot.

I think McRoberts can play. Hoping Nets sign him.

llemon
09-07-2011, 09:28 PM
Love this Idea

Why is that?

MTar786
09-08-2011, 08:37 AM
i think the bottom 8 teams get picks 1-8 and picks 16-24. Tte middle 8 teams can get the last 8 picks of the first round and the top 8 teams should start off from the first 8 picks of the second round.

Sly Guy
09-08-2011, 09:13 AM
don't like it. a lot of 2nd rounders don't even see that much playing time on the court, so what's the point? :shrug:

agreed. The second round is already a crap shoot.