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alencp3
08-31-2011, 03:55 PM
Valanciunas - 0p, 2 reb, 2 TOs, 1 foul in 4 minutes ( win 80-69 )

Kanter - 14p ( 7-9 ) , 7 reb, 1 TO in 22 minutes ( win 79-56 )


2 more games tomorrow, before they face off each other in friday

Shmontaine
08-31-2011, 04:01 PM
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ElFuturoDeESPN
08-31-2011, 04:22 PM
Why did Jonas only play four minutes?

Kakaroach
08-31-2011, 06:29 PM
Enes Kanter! Utah Jazz represent haha!

3mikee_
08-31-2011, 06:32 PM
...

This..

CB29
08-31-2011, 06:43 PM
valuncianas needs to play more....

Eagles4Lyfe
08-31-2011, 06:49 PM
wttf why did jonas not play long

SirDJ
08-31-2011, 07:30 PM
didnt tell much

Sadds The Gr8
08-31-2011, 07:34 PM
Why did Jonas only play four minutes?

I think it's cuz he's young and not really ready yet to get alot of mins. He has a really small frame and gets pushed around really easily, unlike Kanter who's already kinda beast. I think once he gets stronger he'll be fine.

naps
08-31-2011, 08:29 PM
Enes Kanter may turn out to be a beast in a couple of years.

itsripcity32
08-31-2011, 09:41 PM
cus the raptors picked jonas v over b knight

Eagles4Lyfe
08-31-2011, 11:29 PM
cus the raptors picked the better talented player with a heigher ceiling over b knight

ya and??

jimbobjarree
08-31-2011, 11:43 PM
and what about Rubio and his 0 points, 0 assists and 2 turnovers?

Nobody should panic about Jonas V, he just couldn't cope with the might of Joel Freeland!

Hellcrooner
08-31-2011, 11:50 PM
and what about Rubio and his 0 points, 0 assists and 2 turnovers?

Nobody should panic about Jonas V, he just couldn't cope with the might of Joel Freeland!

Spain played a Wacky game all around.

The only thing that saved us from an ashaming defeat vs Poland were Paus 29 points and Navarros 3p hot hand.

alencp3
09-01-2011, 02:56 AM
im just saying

because there were lot of people who said jazz made a mistake taking kanter over jonas

well lets see on friday, i expect 20 points and a poster on jonas

Rego247
09-01-2011, 03:09 AM
ya and??

This.

NYKalltheway
09-01-2011, 03:38 AM
I told you Jonas would barely play in the EuroBasket :)
He'll only play when the game goes too well..

Btw, Deng vs Lithuania had a great game (statistically) but he hardly left the floor. That team is less deep than the Knicks :p

The "beasts to watch" of the tournament are Enes Kanter, Kostas Koufos and Sasha Kaun.
Jonas has the biggest upside of them all though(and Kaun is 25 anyway)

imagesrdecievin
09-01-2011, 04:42 AM
No love for Bojan Bogdanovic?

27 points - 6 of 8 from downtown.

Raps08-09 Champ
09-01-2011, 05:42 AM
Well if Jonas played 22 mins, he would have gotten a double-double.

11 Rebounds and 11 TO.

alencp3
09-01-2011, 07:27 AM
Since there is no eurobasket thread ( or i cant find one ) this might change to one, or since its nba forum mods might change the name to :

Nba players at eurobasket


Kaman 18/10 and Dirk 25/3/3 , dominated Israel 91-64

Mozgov 4/3/2 and Kirilenko 20/11/4st, 73-64 win over Ukraine, Fesenko only 3 reb.

This year 2nd round Miami draft pick, Bogdanovic 27/7 ( 6-8 for 3 ) in win over Finland.
14/8/3 for Ante Tomic who is expected to join Utah next season

Dragic had a solid all round game 13/6/6 in a win over Bulgaria

Kosta Koufos had 10/10 for Greece against Bosnia, win though.

For France who had tough time beating Latvia, Noah had 10/7, Parker 31/3/7, Batum 10/4, Diaw 14/5, and Seraphin didnt play at all.

Pachulia had 16/3 in a win over Belgium.

Sixers 16th pick this year's draft, Nikola Vucevic had 7/3 for Montenegro, Pekovic struggled with 9/9 and 6TOs . He had 2 blocks though.

Italy big 3 couldnt beat Serbian stacked and balanced team, Belinelli 9/2/5 ( 2-11 ) ,
Galo 15/2, Bargnani 22/9 . Krstic had 8/3.

And finally, the biggest favourites Spain almost lost to Poland, but in the end won 83-78 due to Navarro clutch fts.
Pau had 29/7, 2blocks while Marc 16/7, Ibaka had 7p, Calderon 0/4/2 and Rubio was 0-5 from the floor, no assists, 2 TOs, 2 steals

NYKalltheway
09-01-2011, 07:46 AM
No love for Bojan Bogdanovic?

27 points - 6 of 8 from downtown.

I've been saying that Vesely, Mirotic and Bogdanovic are the best international players in the 2011 draft and people thought I was an alien... Previous posts, I was clearly talking about big guys. Bogdanovic is a SG-SF type of player. He's probably the most complete player of the lot. Only thing he can improve is defending. Doubt he has room to improve passing, playmaking etc. But as a shooter, he's been lethal since he was 15... Definitely a steal in 2011 draft.

alen, I created a Eurobasket thread in the FIBA section ;)

NYKalltheway
09-01-2011, 08:18 AM
2 games are played atm as we speak :)

alencp3
09-01-2011, 09:22 AM
bosnia with a nice lead again, but they will probably screw it up again

gwrighter
09-01-2011, 09:38 AM
I hope Valanciunas can get some more PT. He was playing fairly nicely in the warm up games prior to the tournament. He needs to put on weight but a solid player overall. Kind of reminds me of a 7 foot Amir Johnson with a nice shooting touch.

I like Kanter's game. More suited for the PF position though. He has good size for the C but his wingspan & lack of explosiveness will hinder his ability to protect the rim adequately for the position. He's strong on the block though, on offence & defence.

Be easy about jumping on the Kanter bandwagon too soon. Turkey played Portugal who's tallest player was 6'8, laughable competition. I want to see both Jonas & Kanter face off against NBA lvl talent before I make any predictions.

alencp3
09-01-2011, 10:27 AM
I hope Valanciunas can get some more PT. He was playing fairly nicely in the warm up games prior to the tournament. He needs to put on weight but a solid player overall. Kind of reminds me of a 7 foot Amir Johnson with a nice shooting touch.

I like Kanter's game. More suited for the PF position though. He has good size for the C but his wingspan & lack of explosiveness will hinder his ability to protect the rim adequately for the position. He's strong on the block though, on offence & defence.

Be easy about jumping on the Kanter bandwagon too soon. Turkey played Portugal who's tallest player was 6'8, laughable competition. I want to see both Jonas & Kanter face off against NBA lvl talent before I make any predictions.

we will see both of them playing against ibaka and gasol brothers in the next few games

Hellcrooner
09-01-2011, 10:31 AM
another not so impresive win by spain over portugal, from now on the competition gets serious we better wake up.

gwrighter
09-01-2011, 10:43 AM
Spain is easily the most talented team in the tournament, nothing to worry bout crooner.

gwrighter
09-01-2011, 10:51 AM
we will see both of them playing against ibaka and gasol brothers in the next few games

Not sure if you've been following Lithuania up to the Eurobasket but they've faced Spain twice already. Val put up some decent #'s in limited minutes.

Jonas's highlights....

Spain 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXpHwtIdSOE)
Spain 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP2Vmt4KenM)

Hellcrooner
09-01-2011, 10:58 AM
Spain is easily the most talented team in the tournament, nothing to worry bout crooner.

talent alone wont win the championship, you need to have the will to win, the will to suffer on deffense and get the most focused you can on the game.

Spain is being lazy on defense and not cohesive in their game.
+ the coach is absolutely atrotious , he already costed us an early exit in last years wc with his stupid decisions and it seems he didnt learn the lesson.

He has played Rubio at SF :confused::speechless: for a good amount of minutes today.

gwrighter
09-01-2011, 11:17 AM
talent alone wont win the championship, you need to have the will to win, the will to suffer on deffense and get the most focused you can on the game.

Spain is being lazy on defense and not cohesive in their game.
+ the coach is absolutely atrotious , he already costed us an early exit in last years wc with his stupid decisions and it seems he didnt learn the lesson.

He has played Rubio at SF :confused::speechless: for a good amount of minutes today.

Or just pass to Pau & let him do his thing lol. No jk, yeah i understand, Spain has got swag but they need to play hard to win. They've got a target on their back.

Why is he still Spain's head coach then? does he know the GM or something?

NYKalltheway
09-01-2011, 11:20 AM
GM of Spain? oh my :D

Hellcrooner
09-01-2011, 11:22 AM
Or just pass to Pau & let him do his thing lol. No jk, yeah i understand, Spain has got swag but they need to play hard to win. They've got a target on their back.

Why is he still Spain's head coach then? does he know the GM or something?

i sincerely dont understand why he does not get the boot.

THE GIPPER
09-01-2011, 11:29 AM
Valanciunas is going to be legit. He just seems so fundamentaly sound already and he's only 19. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being the best big in the draft.

Hellcrooner
09-01-2011, 11:55 AM
Valanciunas is going to be legit. He just seems so fundamentaly sound already and he's only 19. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being the best big in the draft.

Mirotic will be-

Tmath
09-01-2011, 11:58 AM
Kanter is a good player no doubt but he wears some pretty heavy knee gear for someone who hasn't played an NBA game yet.

Tmath
09-01-2011, 12:09 PM
Mirotic will be-

Doesn't he play SF?

Hellcrooner
09-01-2011, 12:14 PM
Doesn't he play SF?

in spain yes. so did pau gasol before joining grizz, would be highly surprised if he does not end up playing pf or even center in nba.

gwrighter
09-01-2011, 12:25 PM
GM of Spain? oh my :D

what? lol

Team Canada has a manager, team USA's manager is Jerry Colangelo, Spain must have a manager no?

Tmath
09-01-2011, 12:25 PM
in spain yes. so did pau gasol before joining grizz, would be highly surprised if he does not end up playing pf or even center in nba.

What is your opinion on Valanciunas?

gwrighter
09-01-2011, 12:26 PM
Kanter is a good player no doubt but he wears some pretty heavy knee gear for someone who hasn't played an NBA game yet.

not to mention for someone who before the summer hasn't played basketball at a high level in over a year.

Hellcrooner
09-01-2011, 12:44 PM
What is your opinion on Valanciunas?

raw product, needs to bulk up to be effective at nba.
we will see.

97NYer
09-01-2011, 01:21 PM
valuncianas will be a bust for the raptors, kanter is a great player and someone mentioned rubio who is and will always be a mediocre pg unless he played for the suns/knicks

The_Pharouh
09-01-2011, 01:46 PM
If anyone watched watched Finland against Greece,I would love to know there opinion on Calathes&Koponen

NYKalltheway
09-01-2011, 01:52 PM
Calathes is the best young playmaker in Europe hands down. He has transformed into a stud since late March, great man defender as well. I've been saying this a lot. Everyone is hyped on Rubio, who's not worth to be Nick Calathes' backup even, as it seems

NYKalltheway
09-01-2011, 02:03 PM
Gallinari vs Nowitzki now

alencp3
09-01-2011, 04:28 PM
kanter had 12/5
jonas had 7/2 with 5 TOs
they played around the same minutes

juno10
09-01-2011, 04:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9c0pBH5dM&feature=player_embedded#!

jimbobjarree
09-01-2011, 08:18 PM
im just saying

because there were lot of people who said jazz made a mistake taking kanter over jonas

well lets see on friday, i expect 20 points and a poster on jonas

that was solely the many misguided Raptors fans this site has

Eagles4Lyfe
09-01-2011, 08:42 PM
that was solely the many misguided Raptors fans this site has

No it wasn't it was also analysts who said Jonas can become the best player out of the draft, so common sense says that means better than kanter too.

itsripcity32
09-01-2011, 08:52 PM
jonas v.. what a bust

GodsSon
09-01-2011, 09:19 PM
It's hilarious how people are ripping into Jonas when the guy has been barely playing in the first two games of the tourney. The kid has dominated his competition at every single age level as a TWIG including in the EuroLeague against grown men (check his numbers in limited time). Just wait until he adds some bulk and just overall matures as he has the length, fundamentals, athleticism, motor, FT SHOOTING and competitive fire to dominate at the next level as an NBA centre.

Those comparing Jonas and Kanter based on small sample sizes just need to stop now. For starters, Kanter is more suited to play the 4 in the NBA as he lacks the speed and length to provide adequate rim protection as a teams defensive anchor at the centre position. Yes, he has the more polished offensive game and always will, but offence is the last of the Raptors problems. When you factor in the fact that red flags have already been raised regarding Kanter's knees coupled with the fact he's barely played in the last 2 years (not to mention Jonas' insane potential defensively) and it's easy to see why many analysts, scouts and mock drafts had Valanciunas rated higher.

If Kanter is likened as the Euro version of Al Horford, then Jonas reminds of a Joakim Noah-type with a more polished offence. You can argue all you want on which is better, but which has the bigger impact on BOTH sides of the floor? Not to mention every team has different needs. Don't get me wrong, Kanter will be good, but on my Raptors teams, Jonas is the much better FIT.

Gators123
09-01-2011, 09:31 PM
jonas v.. what a bust

^ Ignore him. Pistons fans don't even like him. Hes a troll.

CavsYanksDuke
09-01-2011, 09:37 PM
Jazz should be interesting pretty quick.

jimbobjarree
09-01-2011, 10:02 PM
It's hilarious how people are ripping into Jonas when the guy has been barely playing in the first two games of the tourney. The kid has dominated his competition at every single age level as a TWIG including in the EuroLeague against grown men (check his numbers in limited time). Just wait until he adds some bulk and just overall matures as he has the length, fundamentals, athleticism, motor, FT SHOOTING and competitive fire to dominate at the next level as an NBA centre.

Those comparing Jonas and Kanter based on small sample sizes just need to stop now. For starters, Kanter is more suited to play the 4 in the NBA as he lacks the speed and length to provide adequate rim protection as a teams defensive anchor at the centre position. Yes, he has the more polished offensive game and always will, but offence is the last of the Raptors problems. When you factor in the fact that red flags have already been raised regarding Kanter's knees coupled with the fact he's barely played in the last 2 years (not to mention Jonas' insane potential defensively) and it's easy to see why many analysts, scouts and mock drafts had Valanciunas rated higher.

If Kanter is likened as the Euro version of Al Horford, then Jonas reminds of a Joakim Noah-type with a more polished offence. You can argue all you want on which is better, but which has the bigger impact on BOTH sides of the floor? Not to mention every team has different needs. Don't get me wrong, Kanter will be good, but on my Raptors teams, Jonas is the much better FIT.

I think you right about the better fit for both teams. Favors is quick, long and athletic enough to cover Kanter on defense, and a very clued in defender. Kanter slots in perfectly. And you explained why JV is a good fit for you guys.

JV's size is a bit of a worry though. His game is all down low, and since he's so weak that just flat out wont be effective in the NBA. Its good that he's not coming over right away.

OlivaThor
09-02-2011, 05:59 AM
Itīs a pitty, that Czech Republic isnīt on championate, so we canīt see Jan Vesely

alencp3
09-02-2011, 07:25 AM
Itīs a pitty, that Czech Republic isnīt on championate, so we canīt see Jan Vesely

they suck and will always do, he cant play by himself so he should make himself serbian or something

alencp3
09-02-2011, 07:27 AM
tonight 21:00 lithuanian time, the hosts are facing turkey, long awaited matchup, Jonas vs Kanter
hopefully jonas gets playing time

OlivaThor
09-02-2011, 07:33 AM
they suck and will always do, he cant play by himself so he should make himself serbian or something

In Czech Republic is new generations on rise, U16 had silver and there is some talented players, Satoransky, Jelinek, Kriz, Peterka, I know that these names are for you nothin, but you will see soon, i hope

jrice9
09-02-2011, 08:23 AM
No it wasn't it was also analysts who said Jonas can become the best player out of the draft, so common sense says that means better than kanter too.

This is coming from the guy who absolutely hated the Jonas V pick on draft night and cried that we didnt take his Knight crush.

Your so fare weather its ridiculous

NYKalltheway
09-02-2011, 09:21 AM
wow Serbia is losing to Israel.. not sure if Casspi is playing for Israel

Hellcrooner
09-02-2011, 10:27 AM
wow Serbia is losing to Israel.. not sure if Casspi is playing for Israel

nope as far as i know

BHF
09-02-2011, 11:15 AM
wish they could both lose somehow

alencp3
09-02-2011, 01:32 PM
Bargnani had 36 and 7 reb, while Galo and Beli we awful for italy, they won though against Latvia

OlivaThor
09-02-2011, 06:46 PM
Ricky Rubio has 3 points 2 assist in 17 minutes per game, 0/7 threes.. Hmm hmm am I glad? Yes I am

jimbobjarree
09-02-2011, 09:35 PM
Ricky Rubio has 3 points 2 assist in 17 minutes per game, 0/7 threes.. Hmm hmm am I glad? Yes I am

the dude has just lit this tourny up :laugh2:

LakersMaster24
09-02-2011, 11:06 PM
I think it's cuz he's young and not really ready yet to get alot of mins. He has a really small frame and gets pushed around really easily, unlike Kanter who's already kinda beast. I think once he gets stronger he'll be fine.

Yet this guy is supposed to play in the NBA?...

NYKalltheway
09-03-2011, 07:24 AM
TOP 10 PERFORMERS SO FAR (1989 born and younger players)

1. Bojan Bogdanovic CRO 1989 63 M - 38 P, 9 R, 3 A, 2 S (2011 NBA DRAFT, 31st Pick)
2. Enes Kanter TUR 1992 44 M - 25 P, 12 R, 3 B (2011 NBA DRAFT, 3rd Pick)
3. Nihad Djedovic BOS 1990 69 M - 27 P, 9 R, 6 A (NOT DRAFTED YET)
4. Nick Calathes GRE 1989 43 M - 19 P, 9 R, 6 A, 2 S (2009 NBA DRAFT, 45th Pick)
5. Kostas Koufos GRE 1989 32 M - 17 P, 12 R (2008 NBA DRAFT, 23rd Pick)
6. Zoran Dragic SLO 1989 50 M - 19 P, 10 R, 4 A, 3 S (NOT DRAFTED YET)
7. Milan Macvan SER 1989 32 M - 18 P, 9 R (2011 NBA DRAFT, 54th Pick)
8. Robin Benzing GER 1989 51 M - 26 P, 4 A (NOT DRAFTED YET)
9. Tornike Shengeila GEO 1991 23 M - 16 P, 3 R (NOT DRAFTED YET)
10. Nikola Vucevic MNT 1990 34 M - 13 P, 8 R, 2 B (2011 NBA DRAFT, 16th Pick)

Honorable Mention

Sasu Salin FIN 1991 46 M - 19 P, 4 R (NOT DRAFTED YET)
Serge Ibaka SPA 1989 29 M - 11 P, 5 R (2008 NBA DRAFT, 24th Pick)
David Bertans LAT 1992 26 M - 11 P, 3 R (2011 NBA DRAFT, 42nd Pick)
Kevin Seraphin FRA 1989 10 M - 5 P, 8 R (2010 NBA DRAFT, 17th Pick)

Other Drafted Players

Jonas Valanciunas LIT 1992 22 M - 7 P, 4 R, 7 TO (2011 NBA DRAFT, 5th Pick)
Tibor Pleiß GER 1989 5 M - 4 R (2010 NBA DRAFT, 31th Pick)
Nemanja Bjelica SER 1988 23 M - 5 P, 5 R (2010 NBA DRAFT, 35th Pick)
Ricky Rubio SPA 1990 34 M - 5 P, 4 R, 3 S (2009 NBA DRAFT, 5th Pick)

(not mine, copied from elsewhere)

Hellcrooner
09-03-2011, 07:37 AM
^ so far TOny Parker is the Mvp.

save the knicks
09-03-2011, 08:31 AM
can some one pm me some stream info?

alencp3
09-03-2011, 08:46 AM
TOP 10 PERFORMERS SO FAR (1989 born and younger players)

1. Bojan Bogdanovic CRO 1989 63 M - 38 P, 9 R, 3 A, 2 S (2011 NBA DRAFT, 31st Pick)
2. Enes Kanter TUR 1992 44 M - 25 P, 12 R, 3 B (2011 NBA DRAFT, 3rd Pick)
3. Nihad Djedovic BOS 1990 69 M - 27 P, 9 R, 6 A (NOT DRAFTED YET)
4. Nick Calathes GRE 1989 43 M - 19 P, 9 R, 6 A, 2 S (2009 NBA DRAFT, 45th Pick)
5. Kostas Koufos GRE 1989 32 M - 17 P, 12 R (2008 NBA DRAFT, 23rd Pick)
6. Zoran Dragic SLO 1989 50 M - 19 P, 10 R, 4 A, 3 S (NOT DRAFTED YET)
7. Milan Macvan SER 1989 32 M - 18 P, 9 R (2011 NBA DRAFT, 54th Pick)
8. Robin Benzing GER 1989 51 M - 26 P, 4 A (NOT DRAFTED YET)
9. Tornike Shengeila GEO 1991 23 M - 16 P, 3 R (NOT DRAFTED YET)
10. Nikola Vucevic MNT 1990 34 M - 13 P, 8 R, 2 B (2011 NBA DRAFT, 16th Pick)

Honorable Mention

Sasu Salin FIN 1991 46 M - 19 P, 4 R (NOT DRAFTED YET)
Serge Ibaka SPA 1989 29 M - 11 P, 5 R (2008 NBA DRAFT, 24th Pick)
David Bertans LAT 1992 26 M - 11 P, 3 R (2011 NBA DRAFT, 42nd Pick)
Kevin Seraphin FRA 1989 10 M - 5 P, 8 R (2010 NBA DRAFT, 17th Pick)

Other Drafted Players

Jonas Valanciunas LIT 1992 22 M - 7 P, 4 R, 7 TO (2011 NBA DRAFT, 5th Pick)
Tibor Pleiß GER 1989 5 M - 4 R (2010 NBA DRAFT, 31th Pick)
Nemanja Bjelica SER 1988 23 M - 5 P, 5 R (2010 NBA DRAFT, 35th Pick)
Ricky Rubio SPA 1990 34 M - 5 P, 4 R, 3 S (2009 NBA DRAFT, 5th Pick)

(not mine, copied from elsewhere)

kanter the youngest but the best

alencp3
09-03-2011, 08:47 AM
can some one pm me some stream info?

u can watch any sport here (http://www.soccertvlive.net/)

save the knicks
09-03-2011, 09:27 AM
u can watch any sport here (http://www.soccertvlive.net/)

ty kind sir

alencp3
09-03-2011, 02:49 PM
NYKalltheway is on suicide watch

Macedonia trash Greece 72-58

Stack_NJNets
09-03-2011, 03:05 PM
4 minutes?

Sadds The Gr8
09-03-2011, 03:11 PM
Yet this guy is supposed to play in the NBA?...

he wasn't gonna come this season anyways...

Sadds The Gr8
09-03-2011, 03:12 PM
lol @ the ignorant idiots calling Jonas a bust when he's 19 years old.

NYKalltheway
09-04-2011, 04:22 AM
NYKalltheway is on suicide watch

Macedonia trash Greece 72-58

Alexander the Great will erect from his grave after this humiliation... :rolleyes:

This is not Greece. A team without Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Schortsianitis, Tsartsaris, Perperoglou and even Mavrokefalidis (over Mavroidis) with Bourousis who's only good when using PEDs (it was revealed on a wiretap that he uses) as the main center, then this team is screwed. And the coach is messed up. Hopefully he keeps his tricks for the quarter finals, because we've been seeing the same **** from this team over and over... This offense is terrible. Fotsis and Koufos are the best players, and Koufos doesn't even get enough playing time :facepalm:

I predict another loss for Greece to Montenegro and Croatia wins and if Bosnia wins, the group is messed up for good. Good thing is that the crossing of the groups is against the terrible Russia-Slovenia group so most probably Greece and Croatia will make it along with those two in the quarters. Don't think FYROM can beat the Russians. Slovenians are inconsistent so FYROM stands a good chance against them.

It's the time to hype up Mike Brammos btw :cool:

alencp3
09-04-2011, 04:08 PM
Kanter had 18, Jonas 13 but their teams lost to Poland and Spain

alencp3
09-04-2011, 04:11 PM
Alexander the Great will erect from his grave after this humiliation... :rolleyes:

This is not Greece. A team without Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Schortsianitis, Tsartsaris, Perperoglou and even Mavrokefalidis (over Mavroidis) with Bourousis who's only good when using PEDs (it was revealed on a wiretap that he uses) as the main center, then this team is screwed. And the coach is messed up. Hopefully he keeps his tricks for the quarter finals, because we've been seeing the same **** from this team over and over... This offense is terrible. Fotsis and Koufos are the best players, and Koufos doesn't even get enough playing time :facepalm:

I predict another loss for Greece to Montenegro and Croatia wins and if Bosnia wins, the group is messed up for good. Good thing is that the crossing of the groups is against the terrible Russia-Slovenia group so most probably Greece and Croatia will make it along with those two in the quarters. Don't think FYROM can beat the Russians. Slovenians are inconsistent so FYROM stands a good chance against them.

It's the time to hype up Mike Brammos btw :cool:
1. thats not true
2. its macedonia not fyrom
3. who cares if its c,d, or w team... they LOST
4. ur predictions suck both greece and bosnia won :facepalm:
5. and it doesnt matter if macedonia lose to both russia and slovenia, they will win against georgia, and make the 1/4 finals :cool:

NYKalltheway
09-04-2011, 04:45 PM
Macedonia is where I'm from.. and it's Greek. I assume you're a FYROMian with a case for Greeks as usual (and given your post on my wall the other time with no reason).. and if you're inferring that Alexander the Great is not Greek, then read some history books. Proper ones. Also buy an Iron Maiden cd or something.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology can confirm this:
http://web.mit.edu/hellenic/www/macedonia.html

As for basketball, Valanciunas had a respectable performance against Spain in a huge loss (12 point margin is too kind for Lithuania, should be 20-25 pts really)

alencp3
09-04-2011, 05:19 PM
Macedonia is where I'm from.. and it's Greek. I assume you're a FYROMian with a case for Greeks as usual (and given your post on my wall the other time with no reason).. and if you're inferring that Alexander the Great is not Greek, then read some history books. Proper ones. Also buy an Iron Maiden cd or something.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology can confirm this:
http://web.mit.edu/hellenic/www/macedonia.html

As for basketball, Valanciunas had a respectable performance against Spain in a huge loss (12 point margin is too kind for Lithuania, should be 20-25 pts really)

he was born and raised in macedonia but ruled greece

but whatever im not going to argue

NYKalltheway
09-04-2011, 05:32 PM
yes, and Bush was born and raised in Texas and ruled the USA... He's not American, he's Texan right? :laugh: :laugh: And speaks "Texan", not English :p

Hellcrooner
09-04-2011, 10:43 PM
http://www.eurobasket2011.com/en/default.asp?cid={13FE876A-D668-47E5-BFDF-C043215442BF}&compID={D166E39E-2323-4863-B229-76357A926FA2}&season=2011&roundID=7526&gameID=7983-A-12-4

first real challengin game, spain and pau solved it nicely.

gwrighter
09-05-2011, 03:47 AM
Jonas beasting vs. Spain. highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tX8mJ_el6c)

13pts 3ast 2 rebs 1blk in 16 min

after watching those highlights vs. NBA talent, how can anybody honestly say he is a bust. the kid is going to be a great C in this league.

marvILLous
09-05-2011, 04:00 AM
kanter is obviously doing better cuz he's the more polished player right now.. but his potential isn't as high as jonas'

kanter looks like a guy who would own international play but will probably have trouble adjusting to the nba.. thats just me tho

alencp3
09-05-2011, 09:06 AM
kanter is obviously doing better cuz he's the more polished player right now.. but his potential isn't as high as jonas'

kanter looks like a guy who would own international play but will probably have trouble adjusting to the nba.. thats just me tho

location : toronto

sure whatever u say

gwrighter
09-05-2011, 09:48 AM
kanter is obviously doing better cuz he's the more polished player right now.. but his potential isn't as high as jonas

Agreed. Physically speaking, Kanter is about 1-2 years ahead of Jonas. I also think Kanter is stronger on the block at the moment as well. He has a more polished post offence repertoire than Jonas as of right now.

On the downside Kanter sets Bargnani-bad screens. His length is nothing to write home about & his explosiveness/knee's are questionable. he has the size of a C but i think he is more suited to play the PF. He doesn't block many shots/challenge players at the rim which in todays NBA is 1 of the only things C's are supposed to do. Dwight, Bynum, Chandler, Oden, Bogut etc... all do this.


kanter looks like a guy who would own international play but will probably have trouble adjusting to the nba.. thats just me tho

I honestly think he is a bit of a PF/C tweener, he could fit in well next to Favors though. I think he'l have some sort of immediate impact but will probably hit his ceiling sooner than Jonas.

Jonas oozes potential, taking the Gasol's to school on some possessions. I honestly think he's going to be a top 5 C after his 3rd season in the NBA.

The_Pharouh
09-05-2011, 10:38 AM
Anyone else think that Milos Teodosic is really underrated?he is one of my favorite basketball players right now

NYKalltheway
09-05-2011, 11:10 AM
Anyone else think that Milos Teodosic is really underrated?he is one of my favorite basketball players right now

he's a great shooter and very good distributor but he's also a very dirty player. He has great talent but his head is not on the right direction imo. If the CSKA coach can help him concentrate on playing instead of looking to make cheap shots, then he'll be worth of mentioning next to guys like Aleksandar Djordjevic.

marvILLous
09-06-2011, 12:15 PM
location : toronto

sure whatever u say

lol and where's your location? somewhere in turkey?

i liked jonas over kanter before we even drafted him.. but i personally wanted brandon knight

clearly you're a kanter fanboy so anything negative i say will get u going but thats whateva

marvILLous
09-06-2011, 12:24 PM
Agreed. Physically speaking, Kanter is about 1-2 years ahead of Jonas. I also think Kanter is stronger on the block at the moment as well. He has a more polished post offence repertoire than Jonas as of right now.

On the downside Kanter sets Bargnani-bad screens. His length is nothing to write home about & his explosiveness/knee's are questionable. he has the size of a C but i think he is more suited to play the PF. He doesn't block many shots/challenge players at the rim which in todays NBA is 1 of the only things C's are supposed to do. Dwight, Bynum, Chandler, Oden, Bogut etc... all do this.



I honestly think he is a bit of a PF/C tweener, he could fit in well next to Favors though. I think he'l have some sort of immediate impact but will probably hit his ceiling sooner than Jonas.

Jonas oozes potential, taking the Gasol's to school on some possessions. I honestly think he's going to be a top 5 C after his 3rd season in the NBA.

i agree all over.. the guy wants to be a C but is terrible at setting screens and doesn't really alter shots.. he has good size and skills which is good offensively but what else can he do? he would probably have trouble playing PF since he's so slow. and doesn't he already have bad knees?

i'm just glad as a raptors fan that we drafted a guy with a nonstop motor who knows how to block/ater shots.. obviously his offensive game is raw but u see the potential when he plays.. he can finish around the rim and he has a decent shot..

Hellcrooner
09-07-2011, 12:52 PM
live isnt so easy without b.s Star callss uh? :p

http://london2012.fiba.com//pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/1/grid/E/rid/7984/sid/6232/game.html

an d that with the G guy playing on a sprained ankle

NYKalltheway
09-07-2011, 01:03 PM
In all fairness, Nowitzki was "iso defended" by Spain. It seemed like everyone was glued on him by letting open shots to him mediocre teammates.

As for Kanter, he's no better than Kostas Koufos. Might be luckier though... And we know how great a factor luck is in the NBA

Tom Stone
09-07-2011, 01:18 PM
I like both of them.....Kanter seems more of ....I know i'm skilled, and will settle for alot of jump shots, turn arounds, ...he's as big as a center, but plays more like a power forward.....While Jonas has a non stop motor, Ive never seen a center set a screen and cut as fast as him everytime, lightning speed.....Great length, agilty, hands, Hops and above all else passion and disire, he's a true fighter.....His nick name says it all ...RAMBO !

junebug2011
09-07-2011, 01:46 PM
Whats with all the Rubio hype? He's been horrible if anything he has regressed.

Hellcrooner
09-07-2011, 03:10 PM
Whats with all the Rubio hype? He's been horrible if anything he has regressed.

yeah i guess he was horribel today :rolleyes: he didnt score :speechless: so bad so bad so bad, he didnt score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cry::speechless::facepalm::fac epalm::facepalm:


he didnt score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

burn him!!!!!!!!!!!! kill him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


o btw i forgot to mention:


He GRABBED 5 REBOUNDS, DISHED 3 ASSISTS(0 turnovers), and got 4 STEALS(including a key one on dirk when they had closed in too much in the scoreboard) in 21 minutes


Yeah , definetly he is soooooooooooooooooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaad

junebug2011
09-07-2011, 03:33 PM
yeah i guess he was horribel today :rolleyes: he didnt score :speechless: so bad so bad so bad, he didnt score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cry::speechless::facepalm::fac epalm::facepalm:


he didnt score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

burn him!!!!!!!!!!!! kill him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


o btw i forgot to mention:


He GRABBED 5 REBOUNDS, DISHED 3 ASSISTS(0 turnovers), and got 4 STEALS(including a key one on dirk when they had closed in too much in the scoreboard) in 21 minutes


Yeah , definetly he is soooooooooooooooooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaad

Calm down buddy as a veteran by your post count is that the way to act? I asked a simple question and wanted to see what you guys thought but no you had to go ape **** on me for no reason. Take the stick outta your *** and calm down.

gwrighter
09-07-2011, 04:04 PM
Jonas beasting:

19:33 - 18pts(8/9) - 5reb - 2 blk - 1ast - 1stl

Finally getting some minutes, & taking advantage of it.

Geargo Wallace
09-07-2011, 04:05 PM
yeah i guess he was horribel today :rolleyes: he didnt score :speechless: so bad so bad so bad, he didnt score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cry::speechless::facepalm::fac epalm::facepalm:


he didnt score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

burn him!!!!!!!!!!!! kill him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


o btw i forgot to mention:


He GRABBED 5 REBOUNDS, DISHED 3 ASSISTS(0 turnovers), and got 4 STEALS(including a key one on dirk when they had closed in too much in the scoreboard) in 21 minutes


Yeah , definetly he is soooooooooooooooooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaad

don't poop yourself bro

Tmath
09-07-2011, 05:13 PM
Valanciunas highlights against Serbia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Bunu1lUoE

GodsSon
09-07-2011, 05:21 PM
Jonas beasting:

19:33 - 18pts(8/9) - 5reb - 2 blk - 1ast - 1stl

Finally getting some minutes, & taking advantage of it.

But that can't be right!!! He's supposed to be another bust European that the Raptors drafted who's soft and was picked due to BC's infatuation with foreign players, right??:rolleyes:

He's going to shut a lot of people up, and has probably already started doing so.

gwrighter
09-07-2011, 05:52 PM
But that can't be right!!! He's supposed to be another bust European that the Raptors drafted who's soft and was picked due to BC's infatuation with foreign players, right??:rolleyes:

He's going to shut a lot of people up, and has probably already started doing so.

haters gonna hate.

jimbobjarree
09-07-2011, 05:59 PM
I like both of them.....Kanter seems more of ....I know i'm skilled, and will settle for alot of jump shots, turn arounds, ...he's as big as a center, but plays more like a power forward.....While Jonas has a non stop motor, Ive never seen a center set a screen and cut as fast as him everytime, lightning speed.....Great length, agilty, hands, Hops and above all else passion and disire, he's a true fighter.....His nick name says it all ...RAMBO !

Honestly dont know where you've gotten this from. I've watched the majority of Kanter's games in this tournament, and it looks as though he embraces the contact, and loves to bully his way to the hoop when he can. He does take mid rangers, yeah, but he has the ability to hit them so why not?

And in terms of non stop motor, Kanter was one of the players in the draft that ran the longest on the treadmill. A year out of playing and he's still in elite shape? That dudes a hard worker.

I know its only a highlight reel, and they never show the whole story, but heres Kanter's from the 1st round games. Note how many more points he scores around the basket than off of jumpers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3ZtUvAhzuQ (you'd want to mute the video, the turkish announcers are ****ing annoying)

the_jon
09-07-2011, 06:30 PM
Crooned

NYKalltheway
09-07-2011, 07:02 PM
Valanciunas was excellent offensively.
Although, at one point in the center of the court, he rushed to offload the ball and passed it to the baseline lol. And defensively he's really weak. He's gonna suffer from the Pekovic syndrome. Very similar players offensively, Pekovic was a more ready product but Jonas has higher upside, but still. It's hard for him to adjust to the NBA with his current shape. Needs to add muscle fast.

gwrighter
09-07-2011, 07:14 PM
Valanciunas was excellent offensively.
Although, at one point in the center of the court, he rushed to offload the ball and passed it to the baseline lol. And defensively he's really weak. He's gonna suffer from the Pekovic syndrome. Very similar players offensively, Pekovic was a more ready product but Jonas has higher upside, but still. It's hard for him to adjust to the NBA with his current shape. Needs to add muscle fast.

He is weak in the sense of his strength down low. The Raptors mgmt are sending trainers over to Lithuania for the upcoming season to help him build muscle. I think he needs an extra 20lbs at least. But he is still young & will fill out naturally on top of his workout regimen.

Tom Stone
09-07-2011, 07:41 PM
He is weak in the sense of his strength down low. The Raptors mgmt are sending trainers over to Lithuania for the upcoming season to help him build muscle. I think he needs an extra 20lbs at least. But he is still young & will fill out naturally on top of his workout regimen.



He will add 10 to 15 pounds before coming over.....with that said, his speed, intensity, desire to win, fighting attitude,, huge wingspan, and great hops will make up for his lack of size right away.....His nickname says it all RAMBO....Don't tell me a guy named after Rambo is going to struggle on Defence.......Thouse of you who haven't seen the Rambo movies, should know....He's all about beating the odds, warrior style

Hellcrooner
09-08-2011, 05:56 AM
:whistle:
http://www.marca.com/2011/09/07/baloncesto/eurobasket/1315424835.html

YoungOne
09-08-2011, 06:48 AM
:whistle:
http://www.marca.com/2011/09/07/baloncesto/eurobasket/1315424835.html

can u translate that pls? :)

IKAZ
09-08-2011, 07:27 AM
Valan Ciunas --> Chew this ---> Chewy ( His new nickname)

alencp3
09-08-2011, 07:34 AM
great 2 games in a row by jonas, while kanter struggled 2 in a row
both are underrated defenders

NYKalltheway
09-08-2011, 09:11 AM
can u translate that pls? :)

it's a video of Rubio hitting many 3s in a row

His problem is mentality. He's afraid to shoot when people are watching I guess :D

alencp3
09-08-2011, 10:36 AM
Bo Mccalebb !!!

Macedonia are in the 1/4 finals

gwrighter
09-08-2011, 11:17 AM
great 2 games in a row by jonas, while kanter struggled 2 in a row
both are underrated defenders

agree with this. Kanter is a strong on ball denfender & Jonas is best in a help defence roll at this point in his development.

Sly Guy
09-08-2011, 12:47 PM
it's a video of Rubio hitting many 3s in a row

His problem is mentality. He's afraid to shoot when people are watching I guess :D

lol, so that means he can only play in front of the half empty arenas of the pacers, kings and nets?

gwrighter
09-09-2011, 01:11 AM
Lithuania vs. France is going to be a great game.

NYKalltheway
09-09-2011, 06:10 AM
all games from that group are amazing. The other group is *yawn*

Hellcrooner
09-09-2011, 12:47 PM
http://london2012.fiba.com//pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/4/grid/E/rid/7984/sid/6232/game.html

not so easy now pau is in the team eh teodosic? just what you get for tmessing with a lions balls.

GodsSon
09-09-2011, 06:28 PM
Valanciunas might have the most upside of any draft pick in this year's class. Who doesn't need a scoring machine who can rebound, run and defend? He's also a high-motor player.

Put it this way: If he was coming out of college after a year at UNC, he'd have gone No. 1 overall.

At worst Valanciunas looks to be a solid big man with starting potential, thanks to his willingness to rebound and defend, and his ability to make perimeter shots. But he's a scorer as well, with post moves and a knack for getting good looks. If he can provide a go-to scoring option and all the benefits that come with it -- drawing double-teams, getting lots of free throws, etc. -- that will take him to another level. When he enters the NBA after next season, we'll probably see what I'm writing about here.

David Thorpe via ESPN insider

gwrighter
09-09-2011, 07:38 PM
Thorpe is inferring franchise potential in this kid. Those who have watched Jonas enough can attest to that.

dhopisthename
09-09-2011, 08:03 PM
David Thorpe via ESPN insider

many said the same thing about kanter

GodsSon
09-09-2011, 08:07 PM
many said the same thing about kanter

Sure, but the difference between the two is that Kanter had red flags surrounding the health of his knees and previous injuries.

I just find it funny how if you look through this thread a lot of posters are blindly hating on Jonas.

juno10
09-09-2011, 08:51 PM
Thorpe is inferring franchise potential in this kid. Those who have watched Jonas enough can attest to that.

i don't know about franchise player but if he can fulfill that i'd be extremely giddy.

jimbobjarree
09-09-2011, 09:11 PM
I just find it funny how if you look through this thread a lot of posters are blindly hating on Jonas.

I find it funny that in response raptors fans hate on Kanter to make themselves feel better.

GodsSon
09-09-2011, 09:42 PM
I find it funny that in response raptors fans hate on Kanter to make themselves feel better.

I don't hate on Kanter at all, I just think Jonas will be the better player.

Thanks for passing on him :D

North Yorker
09-09-2011, 09:46 PM
Jonas has the higher ceiling because he projects to be a solid two way Center, which are quite rare in this league.

Kanter is more one dimensional and projects to be a PF, but is more polished with a higher floor.

I think Kanter fits in well with the Jazz and Favors and Jonas fits perfectly in with the Raps.

Hellcrooner
09-11-2011, 02:46 PM
http://www.eurobasket2011.com/en/default.asp?cid={13FE876A-D668-47E5-BFDF-C043215442BF}&compID={D166E39E-2323-4863-B229-76357A926FA2}&season=2011&roundID=7526&gameID=7984-E-7-3

lol at france losing against spain on purpose ( didnt play noah nor parker) to try to avoid a possible mathc up in semis vs lithuania ( local team) when is not even a lock lithuania qualifies....

juno10
09-11-2011, 02:48 PM
I find it funny that in response raptors fans hate on Kanter to make themselves feel better.

its weird when fans do that, really show how unsure they are, make player A look better by putting down player B.

GodsSon
09-11-2011, 03:53 PM
Final stats for Jonas...15 points (6/10 FG, 3/4 FT), 4 rebs, 2 blocks, 1 TO and 4 PF in 18 minutes

NYKalltheway
09-11-2011, 03:54 PM
Sarunas Jasikevicius.. GREATEST OF ALL TIME, I have no doubts at this point

alencp3
09-11-2011, 05:20 PM
Sarunas Jasikevicius.. GREATEST OF ALL TIME, I have no doubts at this point

greatest in what? greatest lithuanian ? u high?

Tmath
09-11-2011, 05:43 PM
Valanciunas highlights against Germany: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DkzWofJkZk

gwrighter
09-11-2011, 05:56 PM
i don't know about franchise player but if he can fulfill that i'd be extremely giddy.

I find it hard to doubt when you see him play against top NBA talent. He may end up being the steal of that draft so to speak. Considering how weak the C position is in the NBA he should have gone #1 imo. The future is looking bright north of the border. I'm very high on this kid.

He is pretty much the staple of the Lithuanian team even though he is the youngest by 5 and a half years. him n Sarunas have carried over their chemistry from Lietuvos Rytas, they have become a nice 1-2 punch.

LakersMaster24
09-11-2011, 07:20 PM
Sarunas Jasikevicius.. GREATEST OF ALL TIME, I have no doubts at this point

He is as big as Sabonis in Lithuania. I lived there for 10 years, and Jasikevicius in Lithuania is a household name like Jordan or Magic here in the US.

B2B
09-11-2011, 08:01 PM
kanter had 12/5
jonas had 7/2 with 5 TOs
they played around the same minutes

Valanciunas

17.4 -MPG
10.4 -PPG
3.6 -RPG
1 -APG
70.1 -FG%
71.4 -FT%

Kanter

17.8 -MPG
9.6 -PPG
3.9 -RPG
.5 -APG
59.2 -FG%
67.9 -FT%

Note the efficiency rating,

NYKalltheway
09-11-2011, 08:40 PM
greatest in what? greatest lithuanian ? u high?

as in GREATEST OF ALL TIME. I just love that guy :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89erZ9kViRc

Sometimes words aren't enough. Definitely top 5 European player of all time after Sabas, Drazen, Galis and Bodiroga

DaoudS
09-11-2011, 08:52 PM
Valanciunas played a tremendous game against Kaman today.

Raps08-09 Champ
09-11-2011, 09:30 PM
Jonas is actually doing better than Kanter.

Where was all that talk earlier in this thread?

Rego247
09-11-2011, 09:33 PM
Jonas is actually doing better than Kanter.

Where was all that talk earlier in this thread?

They mad. ;)

gwrighter
09-11-2011, 10:16 PM
They mad. ;)

Jonas has been impressive. Stepping his game up in the clutch & even carrying Lithuania for stretches of the game.

Haters gonna hate.

Cal827
09-11-2011, 11:29 PM
:dance: :dance:

I think both will become good Centers in the NBA. Going into the draft, I was intrigued by Kanter, but since we had a lower pick, it was evident he would be gone (I had a strong feeling that Utah/Cleveland would pick him). I'm very excited on how JV has been progressing (First the U19 tournament). In 3 or 4 years, we might be looking at two of the top 5 centers in the League (Of course, behind Howard, and Mcgee (I just think he has a very high ceiling :D)

marvILLous
09-12-2011, 02:47 AM
:dance: :dance:

I think both will become good Centers in the NBA. Going into the draft, I was intrigued by Kanter, but since we had a lower pick, it was evident he would be gone (I had a strong feeling that Utah/Cleveland would pick him). I'm very excited on how JV has been progressing (First the U19 tournament). In 3 or 4 years, we might be looking at two of the top 5 centers in the League (Of course, behind Howard, and Mcgee (I just think he has a very high ceiling :D)

kanter doesn't even have top 5 potential imo, top 10-15 probably.

i actually thought kanter would look like the better player in this tournament but it doesn't even look that way anymore lol. against all the top teams jonas has done better than him.

The_Pharouh
09-12-2011, 09:01 AM
Valanciunas highlights against Germany: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DkzWofJkZk

thanks for the video :clap:

dhopisthename
09-12-2011, 10:33 AM
kanter doesn't even have top 5 potential imo, top 10-15 probably.

i actually thought kanter would look like the better player in this tournament but it doesn't even look that way anymore lol. against all the top teams jonas has done better than him.

I don't really get why people expect kanter to be good right away as compared to jonas. he hasn't played basketball in over 1 year

The_Pharouh
09-12-2011, 12:09 PM
kanter doesn't even have top 5 potential imo, top 10-15 probably.

i actually thought kanter would look like the better player in this tournament but it doesn't even look that way anymore lol. against all the top teams jonas has done better than him.

I like Jonas more eve b4 the draft,that said ,I am totally impressed by Kanter in this tournament ,he is really talented ,and I think he can be a top 5 C or PF

B2B
09-12-2011, 01:46 PM
I don't really get why people expect kanter to be good right away as compared to jonas. he hasn't played basketball in over 1 year

Weight/strength factor.

Kanter has a NBA ready body, Jonas doesn't.

GodsSon
09-12-2011, 11:11 PM
Quarter final match-ups...

1) Spain vs. Slovenia

2) Lithuania vs. Macedonia

3) France vs. Greece

4) Russia vs. Serbia

Hellcrooner
09-12-2011, 11:29 PM
Quarter final match-ups...

1) Spain vs. Slovenia

2) Lithuania vs. Macedonia

3) France vs. Greece

4) Russia vs. Serbia


that would be the logical winners, but you never know.

BuddhaMONK
09-12-2011, 11:30 PM
Quarter final match-ups...

1) Spain vs. Slovenia

2) Lithuania vs. Macedonia

3) France vs. Greece

4) Russia vs. Serbia

I want jonas to do well but I can't stand the lithuanian team

alencp3
09-13-2011, 05:08 AM
Spain vs. Slovenia

Lithuania vs. Macedonia

France vs. Greece

Russia vs. Serbia

The_Pharouh
09-13-2011, 07:15 AM
Group E will win all there match ups

Raps08-09 Champ
09-13-2011, 11:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9c0pBH5dM

This makes Jonas better than Kanter.

Hellcrooner
09-14-2011, 01:10 PM
spain anihilates slovenia in rout to make semifinals.

Pau 19 points 16 rebounds
Navarro 26 points

NYKalltheway
09-14-2011, 01:33 PM
Spain will be so lucky if FYROM wins tonight. Walk in the park for them. Lithuania on the other hand could take them if they're on their day offensively. They lack defensive players, but their defensive setup is good enough to stop Spain if it's not a raining day for Navarro

Hellcrooner
09-14-2011, 01:38 PM
Spain will be so lucky if FYROM wins tonight. Walk in the park for them. Lithuania on the other hand could take them if they're on their day offensively. They lack defensive players, but their defensive setup is good enough to stop Spain if it's not a raining day for Navarro

the only thing to fear bout lithuania is the REFS since they are plaing on HOME court.

And please make sure your men send the french cheaters out of competition and olympics for purposely losing vs us to avoid lithuania

NYKalltheway
09-14-2011, 01:49 PM
the only thing to fear bout lithuania is the REFS since they are plaing on HOME court.

And please make sure your men send the french cheaters out of competition and olympics for purposely losing vs us to avoid lithuania

doubt guys like Brammos, Xanthopoulos, Sloukas, Mavroidis, Bourousis(without PEDs :rolleyes: ) and Vasiliadis are capable of stopping even Andrew Albicy and Traore from the French team ;p

Had we sent:

Diamantidis
Tsartsaris
Schortsianitis
Spanoulis
Perperoglou
Dikoudis
Hatzivretas

and even an old Papaloukas for 6-7 minutes of tranquility or at least good young players like Pappas and Chrysikopoulos for 10-12th spots, we'd be a top 3 team in the tournament. Mavrokefalidis as well could have been slightly useful, or Vougioukas well. With 3rd and 4th choices, this is not the actual Greek basketball team. France might as well reach the finals, they're too good imo for the rest of the teams in that pathway.

I just want Lithuania to beat FYROM. I can't stand those people for stealing my homeland's name and acting as if it's their with their irridentist mentality... And with an American player on the team, they don't even deserve being there. But we can only blame our federation for not being more strict on players and force them to play for the team. We'd beat them again by 25 points rather than abandon ship and lose by 14 :/

Geargo Wallace
09-14-2011, 02:08 PM
I hope Jo Val ends up being a great player in the NBA but I think some of my fellow Raps fans are too high on him.

Hellcrooner
09-14-2011, 02:31 PM
I hope Jo Val ends up being a great player in the NBA but I think some of my fellow Raps fans are too high on him.

You are gonna need to drop Bargnani somwhere else to allow Valanciunas to shine ( he iwll need to play PF because of his frame).

Because a Bargs + valanciunas front court is too weak phisicaly for Nba.

Geargo Wallace
09-14-2011, 02:48 PM
You are gonna need to drop Bargnani somwhere else to allow Valanciunas to shine ( he iwll need to play PF because of his frame).

Because a Bargs + valanciunas front court is too weak phisicaly for Nba.

I'd gladly ship Barfnani somewhere else.

Tmath
09-14-2011, 02:59 PM
You are gonna need to drop Bargnani somwhere else to allow Valanciunas to shine ( he iwll need to play PF because of his frame).

Because a Bargs + valanciunas front court is too weak phisicaly for Nba.

He's only 19 and he has over a year to put on bulk before he even gets to the NBA and what he lacks in weight he makes up with hustle, speed, motor & skill.

NYKalltheway
09-14-2011, 04:01 PM
worst.game.ever.

can't believe the referees had to favor FYROM! can't remember last time home team was slaughtered by the refs at home in such tournament!

Hellcrooner
09-14-2011, 04:04 PM
^it didnt happen, be serious i mean Refs threw Germany out of the game vs Lithuania the other day.

Simply put Macedonias wanted it more and they are in a great state of hype and ovearachiving due to it.

If we dont get cautious and take the game seriously from minute 1 they may throw us out.

The_Pharouh
09-14-2011, 04:06 PM
what an incredible upset by Macedonia

Tmath
09-14-2011, 04:10 PM
Songaila lost the game for Lithuania, not the refs.

alencp3
09-14-2011, 05:21 PM
worst.game.ever.

can't believe the referees had to favor FYROM! can't remember last time home team was slaughtered by the refs at home in such tournament!

haha you are pathetic

alencp3
09-14-2011, 05:22 PM
this might have been the biggest win in macedonian sports history

NYKalltheway
09-14-2011, 05:25 PM
this might have been the biggest win in macedonian sports history

Macedonian sports history? You mean this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH5MshLjQzU

Hellcrooner
09-16-2011, 12:08 PM
http://live.fibaeurope.com/www/Game.aspx?acc=1&gameID=9817&lng=en

spain to the finals and clinches a place in the olympics.
damm macedonias put up resistence.

alencp3
09-16-2011, 01:36 PM
we put up a good fight but spaniards are just too good
navarro is arguably the best scorer in the world

The_Pharouh
09-16-2011, 03:58 PM
So,It is France vs Spain
hopefully this is gonna be a great match up ,both teams have the best talents in the tournament

jimbobjarree
09-16-2011, 04:07 PM
dont get how any of this last page has anything to do with Val+Kanter at the eurobasket?

NYKalltheway
09-16-2011, 07:57 PM
dont get how any of this last page has anything to do with Val+Kanter at the eurobasket?

both their teams lost so... :shrug:

NYKalltheway
09-16-2011, 07:59 PM
So,It is France vs Spain
hopefully this is gonna be a great match up ,both teams have the best talents in the tournament

at least the two best teams of the tournament will get a pass for the Olympics. Good representation from Europe so far.

Next year the following will challenge for the 3rd (4th really, Great Britain :facepalm: has a bye)

Russia
FYROM
Lithuania
Greece

I believe it's gonna be a close race between Greece and Lithuania, if both have their stars of course. With today's rosters, Russia gets the ticket next season

alencp3
09-17-2011, 05:56 AM
at least the two best teams of the tournament will get a pass for the Olympics. Good representation from Europe so far.

Next year the following will challenge for the 3rd (4th really, Great Britain :facepalm: has a bye)

Russia
FYROM
Lithuania
Greece

I believe it's gonna be a close race between Greece and Lithuania, if both have their stars of course. With today's rosters, Russia gets the ticket next season
Macedonia
Russia
Puerto Rico

Hellcrooner
09-18-2011, 03:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdCrZfTkG1c

alencp3
09-18-2011, 04:21 PM
The tournament is over. Spain are champions, France takes the silver, Russia bronze, Macedonia 4th place.

Enes Kanter averaged almost 10 points and 4 rebounds , 60% fg
Jonas Valanciunas averaged 8 and a half points and 4 rebounds , 66% fg

Bright future for both.


Best 5 of the tournament are Juan Carlos Navarro ( MVP ) , Pau Gasol , Tony Parker , Andrei Kirilenko and Bo McCalebb.

The_Pharouh
09-18-2011, 04:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdCrZfTkG1c

Congratulation man,I was rooting for Spain just b/c of Navarro (I am a Barca Fan) you deserve this win,This is probably Spain's best basketball team ever IMHO

Hellcrooner
09-18-2011, 05:10 PM
Congratulation man,I was rooting for Spain just b/c of Navarro (I am a Barca Fan) you deserve this win,This is probably Spain's best basketball team ever IMHO

hope next years is better ( if fiba allows us to play ibaka and Mirotic at the same time in the team wich this eyar they didnt allow)

NYKalltheway
09-18-2011, 06:05 PM
hope next years is better ( if fiba allows us to play ibaka and Mirotic at the same time in the team wich this eyar they didnt allow)

why do you wanna field non-Spanish players? :shrug:

Hellcrooner
09-18-2011, 06:14 PM
why do you wanna field non-Spanish players? :shrug:

they have their spanish passport, so they deserve the same rights that anyone else.
also mirotic has lived here since he was a little kid

NYKalltheway
09-18-2011, 06:57 PM
they have their spanish passport, so they deserve the same rights that anyone else.
also mirotic has lived here since he was a little kid

there's some elements more important than a piece of paper. But in this f-ed up world, I'll just nod on and say whatever :p