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Sactown
08-28-2011, 02:23 PM
I was thinking about the lockout and all the arguing over bad contracts and killing teams salary caps and guaranteed contracts.. What if every contract had a guaranteed buyout? I was thinking it would be something like this

If John Deer makes 20 mill per season for the next 5 season he would have a buyout of 35%

Player gets 35 mill and the right to sign a new contract with any other team

Owners get to pay the player 35% of a bad contract and it would only affect the salary cap for the current season and would be brought off the books even though he had 4 more years on his contract.. allowing the teams the chance to fix terrible signings so teams aren't screwing themselves for 5 to 6 seasons with terrible contracts

Also the lower the salary of the player the high the % so if a player were to make 1.2 mill per season his buyout would be like 85%

hgtiger32
08-28-2011, 02:51 PM
what team could afford to pay a player 35 million for just 1 season just so that he's not under contract for the next couple of years.

not a good idea in my opinion

gwrighter
08-28-2011, 02:56 PM
that is the same as a non-guaranteed contract. players won't go for it. shorten the maximum length of contracts instead.

Sactown
08-28-2011, 02:57 PM
what team could afford to pay a player 35 million for just 1 season just so that he's not under contract for the next couple of years.

not a good idea in my opinion

35 Million over 5 years , so 7 mill a year which is very affordable

but it only shows up on the 1st year of the salary cap

This would help with a hard cap and soft cap situation for obvious reasons also it would save teams lots of money and players would still be able to make money as well

Sactown
08-28-2011, 03:14 PM
that is the same as a non-guaranteed contract. players won't go for it. shorten the maximum length of contracts instead.

This would help teams with signing the Eddy Curry and Gilbert Arenas of the league....

gwrighter
08-28-2011, 03:24 PM
This would help teams with signing the Eddy Curry and Gilbert Arenas of the league....

It would help teams yes. But that gives teams too much power, they could in theory dump players for personal reasons. The Arenas's & Curry's don't occur often enough to warrant giving teams the power to cut players.

This is essentially granting the very richest owners a higher player turnover rate than relatively poor owners. Teams who's owners have deep pockets could easily buyout the players that aren't working & sign new players to deals of equal scale the very next season. Small market teams with owners not willing to break the bank to win would be at an even greater disadvantage in terms of spending. This pretty much raises the cost of winning a championship.

Sactown
08-28-2011, 03:37 PM
It would help teams yes. But that gives teams too much power, they could in theory dump players for personal reasons. The Arenas's & Curry's don't occur often enough to warrant giving teams the power to cut players.

This is essentially granting the very richest owners a higher player turnover rate than relatively poor owners. Teams who's owners have deep pockets could easily buyout the players that aren't working & sign new players to deals of equal scale the very next season. Small market teams with owners not willing to break the bank to win would be at an even greater disadvantage in terms of spending. This pretty much raises the cost of winning a championship.

IMO this keeps the league more competitive, players will always be playing as if it were a contract year! Also it's not the Lakers and the Heat who are going to be rolling over on there players it's going to be the Wizards, Knicks, and Kings which will give those teams the chance to try and be competitive by freeing up cap space allowing them to plan for the future.. The Lakers aren't the teams that are desperately overpaying players to remain on their rosters... Joe Johnson's contract could keep the hawks at a mediocre level till he is finally off the books.... which would be six years since he signed the contract

gwrighter
08-28-2011, 04:04 PM
IMO this keeps the league more competitive, players will always be playing as if it were a contract year! Also it's not the Lakers and the Heat who are going to be rolling over on there players it's going to be the Wizards, Knicks, and Kings which will give those teams the chance to try and be competitive by freeing up cap space allowing them to plan for the future.. The Lakers aren't the teams that are desperately overpaying players to remain on their rosters... Joe Johnson's contract could keep the hawks at a mediocre level till he is finally off the books.... which would be six years since he signed the contract

it's the opposite of competitiveness. you would have a bunch of teams dumping players freeing up cap space for coveted FA's...which drives price up. This is exactly what the NBA doesn't want.

EG, Lakers would dump Bynum to make room for Dwight Howard & win 3 ships in a row at least.

players have performance incentives built into their contracts that we don't know about. Playoff bonuses is an example. Joe Johnson was signed at market price. If the hawks didn't offer him that much money he would've taken the next best offer, which would also be a case overspending by another team. so the end result doesn't offer that much of a difference. The Hawks probably felt that keeping Johnson was a profitable decision as well, merchandise, team marketing, ticket sales etc. He's the face of that team.

If you want competitiveness then a Hard cap is your answer, this reduces spending while bringing the sport closer to parity.

Sactown
08-28-2011, 05:36 PM
it's the opposite of competitiveness. you would have a bunch of teams dumping players freeing up cap space for coveted FA's...which drives price up. This is exactly what the NBA doesn't want.

EG, Lakers would dump Bynum to make room for Dwight Howard & win 3 ships in a row at least.

players have performance incentives built into their contracts that we don't know about. Playoff bonuses is an example. Joe Johnson was signed at market price. If the hawks didn't offer him that much money he would've taken the next best offer, which would also be a case overspending by another team. so the end result doesn't offer that much of a difference. The Hawks probably felt that keeping Johnson was a profitable decision as well, merchandise, team marketing, ticket sales etc. He's the face of that team.

If you want competitiveness then a Hard cap is your answer, this reduces spending while bringing the sport closer to parity.

I respectfully disagree, If Dwight Howard told the Lakers he was going to sign with them for sure, then LA would just do what Miami did and trade away Odom or Bynum away for a 1st rounder or a 2nd rounder and cash...

2nd with my Idea LA would have to dump Bynum the season previous to Dwight Howard's free agency and to be honest that's risky because as soon as you drop Bynum he'll find another home and if Dwight decides not to go to LA then LA screwed themselves over

3rd I do agree a hard cap would make things more competitive and also think if the league was going to decide to switch over to a hard cap that this idea would be almost necessary because teams that sign the Brandon Roys and Eddie Currys of the league would be destroyed for years and years. With a hard cap good lucking moving those kind of players

Hellcrooner
08-28-2011, 09:37 PM
A hard cap will make things WORSE.

Since there will not be so much money around those 29 or 30 years old stars that have not already won a ring with their teams , instead of resigning for a max contract that their teams WONT be offering due to new rules, will accept smaller contracts in better markets with more money to be made from sponsorship ouside the court and win some rings.

Sactown
08-28-2011, 11:06 PM
A hard cap will make things WORSE.

Since there will not be so much money around those 29 or 30 years old stars that have not already won a ring with their teams , instead of resigning for a max contract that their teams WONT be offering due to new rules, will accept smaller contracts in better markets with more money to be made from sponsorship ouside the court and win some rings.

They already do this