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08-23-2011, 10:38 PM
Honoring 1 of the Greatest players of All-time B-day

1) Highest season PER was from 2005-06: 28.11

2) That season, he also had by far the highest usage rate (35.3) of any player ever since they started keeping track

3) He might’ve reached his overall individual apex at 24, dropping 30, 7, 6 and 2.2 steals a night in 2002-03

4) In January of that season, he averaged 43.4 points a game, the highest number for any player besides Wilt Chamberlain

5) In February of that season, Kobe scored 93 points (27-48 shooting) on Denver within seven quarters in 24 hours

6) During his string of 35-point games, he scored 551 points in 13 games

7) During that same stretch, he scored more points than any other Laker besides Shaquille O’Neal and Derek Fisher had over the entire year to that point (this was in February mind you)

8) Jordan made the playoffs 13 times with 179 games played and a 46.2% championship rate (six for six in the Finals). Bryant has made 14 postseason appearances (208 games), winning five of seven Finals and 35.7% of the time overall. Lebron ???

9) Last season, he actually averaged 26.9 points per 36 minutes, the third-highest number of his career

10) Last season, he also averaged 5.4 rebounds and 5.0 assists per 36 minutes, his best overall numbers since he was 29 years old

11) He has five 60-point games

12) Four of those 60-point games came in a span of 457 days (Dec. 20, 2005 – March 22, 2007)

13) Including playoffs, he has 117 40-plus point games and 25 50-plus games

14) In 2006-07, Bryant had 10 50-point games, the only player besides Chamberlain to do so in a season

15) In his 55-point game against the Wizards in 2003, Kobe scored 23 points during a 5:42 stretch in the first half. With 4:45 still left in the second quarter, Kobe hit a jumper to give him 40 points

16) A couple of interesting stats: Kobe had games with 62 against Dallas, 56 against Memphis, 52 against Utah and 51 against Denver and either sat for the entire fourth quarter or pretty much all of it

17) As #8: 707 regular season games

18) As #24: 396 regular season games

19) As #8, regular season: 24 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg

20) As #24, regular season: 28 ppg, 6 rpg, 5 apg

21) As #8, playoffs: 126 games

22) As #24, playoffs: 82 games

23) As #8, playoffs: 23 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg

24) As #24, playoffs: 29 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg

25) With Kobe, the Lakers have either made the Finals, won it all or lost to the eventual champs 10 out of the last 13 years

26) In 15 seasons with Kobe, the Lakers have won at least 50 games 11 times (and were on pace for more than 50 during the strike-shortened season).

27) They’ve won at least 56 games in 10 of those seasons.

28) They’ve averaged 53 wins a season since 1996-97.

29) His career regular season record is 792-406.

30) Kobe has played more minutes by his age than anyone in NBA history.

31) Has played in 38 NBA Finals games. Other great current NBA players: LeBron (10 games), Wade & Dirk (12 games), Shaq (30), Duncan (22), KG (13)

32) When Kobe scored his first NBA point, LeBron was 11 years old, Dwight Howard was 10 and Kevin Durant/Derrick Rose had both just turned 8

33) If he plays 82 games again this year (if we even have 82 games), Kobe would need to average exactly 26 points a game to eclipse 30,000 career points



What is the craziest number of all?

i.got.the.nutz
08-23-2011, 11:00 PM
What more can you say about Kobe. He is an all-time great who will always be known for his determination, work ethic, and longevity in the league.

Kobes a Killer
08-23-2011, 11:07 PM
Some of those are ming boggling, all those 50 point plus games without playing the 4th, his numbers as #8 and #24, 25 fifty point games wow. So many haters our there truely under rate this guy, they must know the truth deep down though

Cert
08-23-2011, 11:09 PM
Erm k

Chacarron
08-23-2011, 11:09 PM
He was ridiculous during those 50-point games.

Cert
08-23-2011, 11:09 PM
I <3 Kobe BTW

THE GIPPER
08-23-2011, 11:16 PM
I stopped reading after they said something the finals then he said "Lebron???"

YourTeamSucks
08-23-2011, 11:43 PM
:9/11:

Raps18-19 Champ
08-24-2011, 12:00 AM
The type of facts you expect from an all time great.

GREATNESS ONE
08-24-2011, 12:07 AM
I masturbated while reading this

Jewelz0376
08-24-2011, 12:10 AM
wait for the hate..i hear it coming

Raps18-19 Champ
08-24-2011, 12:13 AM
Some of those are ming boggling, all those 50 point plus games without playing the 4th, his numbers as #8 and #24, 25 fifty point games wow. So many haters our there truely under rate this guy, they must know the truth deep down though

We don't hate Kobe because of his game. We hate him because of his fans.

naps
08-24-2011, 12:19 AM
We don't hate Kobe because of his game. We hate him because of his fans.

#Realfact.

ChiTownPacerFan
08-24-2011, 12:31 AM
Some of those are ming boggling, all those 50 point plus games without playing the 4th, his numbers as #8 and #24, 25 fifty point games wow. So many haters our there truely under rate this guy, they must know the truth deep down though


Agreed. However, some of them are dumb. For example:

31) Has played in 38 NBA Finals games. Other great current NBA players: LeBron (10 games), Wade & Dirk (12 games), Shaq (30), Duncan (22), KG (13)

Why does the number of finals games have any bearing on anything? Isn't better to sweep a team in the finals (Duncan) than to lose in six or seven games (Kobe).

marj987
08-24-2011, 12:43 AM
We don't hate Kobe because of his game. We hate him because of his fans.

This.

Raps18-19 Champ
08-24-2011, 12:45 AM
All superstars have those type of fans. Kobe is just one of the more hated.

Chill_Will_24
08-24-2011, 12:50 AM
All superstars have those type of fans. Kobe is just one of the more hated.

I dont hate Lebron fans or Wade fans or CP3 fans or Dwight fans... i could go on..

Rose fans, Kobe fans, and Iverson fans are pretty bad

nickdymez
08-24-2011, 12:56 AM
Anyway, its good to see a player with all those stats and rings.. Its like what more can the man do???

nickdymez
08-24-2011, 12:57 AM
I dont hate Lebron fans or Wade fans or CP3 fans or Dwight fans... i could go on..

Rose fans, Kobe fans, and Iverson fans are pretty bad

Dont you ever group Kobe with Rose.. Ever in life...

AIRMAR72
08-24-2011, 01:45 AM
kobe suck every 50 point nite he had backthan dude went out on the court with the intentions of scoring 50 and not sharing the rock or played any D i bet most of those 50 point games were ALL losing effort all cause by kobe WITH HIS high volume shots, ball hogging nature cant make critical shot style kobe is just about FINISH 16yrs mane its curtains yall

LAKERMANIA
08-24-2011, 01:54 AM
kobe suck every 50 point nite he had backthan dude went out on the court with the intentions of scoring 50 and not sharing the rock or played any D i bet most of those 50 point games were ALL losing effort all cause by kobe WITH HIS high volume shots, ball hogging nature cant make critical shot style kobe is just about FINISH 16yrs mane its curtains yall

Sorry was this English?

Chill_Will_24
08-24-2011, 02:03 AM
Sorry was this English?

I think it was Hebrew

Chill_Will_24
08-24-2011, 02:05 AM
Dont you ever group Kobe with Rose.. Ever in life...

Read it again kiddo... i didnt group Rose with Kobe.. i grouped Kobe fans, and Rose fans... its ok.. lots of people struggle with the English language apparently

BoochieNoochie
08-24-2011, 02:08 AM
24 FOREVER best laker

BKdoubleStacker
08-24-2011, 02:10 AM
kobe suck every 50 point nite he had backthan dude went out on the court with the intentions of scoring 50 and not sharing the rock or played any D i bet most of those 50 point games were ALL losing effort all cause by kobe WITH HIS high volume shots, ball hogging nature cant make critical shot style kobe is just about FINISH 16yrs mane its curtains yall


ay i feal u man, dewd plaid no d at all, he only juan those champienships and 1st team all defense by luck. He was juan ov da best parimetor defendors in his hurly years, so I dont take anything you say seriously, I remember you posted some other garbage before too. werd dawg i feal wat u sayin doe.

anyone remember all those 40-50 point games he had when his son was born? I think he stringed like 13 consecutive 40 pt games.

BKdoubleStacker
08-24-2011, 02:13 AM
"kobe SUCK the man has been all media HYPE since he been in the league and even tho HE was riding the bench for almost 3yrs they(media) were still hyping kobe and he couldnt beat-out eddie jones in practice who they ended up traded so kobe could play.. kobe is NOT a great player POOR FG%.. certify chucker KOBE is also lazy on D (BUT STILL MAKE 1ST TEAM) POOR leader FAKE will to WIN and FAKE mamba salty dream multiple sweeps and 1st rd exits are on kobe resume kobe might be a future TO in the making look kobe had some great moments mainly in the 2010 championship(thanks to pau) but that was the best that ive seen him play in any playoffs in his career but the truth his the man is just about FINISH hes going to avrage 18-20 point once the season starts or less"

lawl

you also said kobe is the worst mvp winner of all time

lawl

Chill_Will_24
08-24-2011, 02:16 AM
ay i feal u man, dewd plaid no d at all, he only juan those champienships and 1st team all defense by luck. He was juan ov da best parimetor defendors in his hurly years, so I dont take anything you say seriously, I remember you posted some other garbage before too. werd dawg i feal wat u sayin doe.

anyone remember all those 40-50 point games he had when his son was born? I think he stringed like 13 consecutive 40 pt games.

Im glad YOU understood him

Tony_Starks
08-24-2011, 02:41 AM
Looking at that list made me want to play Jay-Z "What more can I say?" off the black album! A lot of those stats will never be repeated. 43 points for a month? 50+ points and sitting out the fourth? Some of those are video game numbers man its insane......

Lim
08-24-2011, 02:44 AM
so basically i learned he could have had like 5 80 point games if he played the 4th. sick.

MTar786
08-24-2011, 03:19 AM
Agreed. However, some of them are dumb. For example:

31) Has played in 38 NBA Finals games. Other great current NBA players: LeBron (10 games), Wade & Dirk (12 games), Shaq (30), Duncan (22), KG (13)

Why does the number of finals games have any bearing on anything? Isn't better to sweep a team in the finals (Duncan) than to lose in six or seven games (Kobe).

ummm.. duncan has 1 finals sweep. So does kobe.

in 2002 lakers swept the nets
in 2001 lakers beat the sixers in 5
in 2009 lakers beat the magic in 5

2000 took 6 games and 2010 took 7

the first 3 are pretty much ownage.

winning in 7 means you're slightly better, winning in 6 means you're definitely the better team. winning in 5 means you're much better. sweeping is complete dominance. kobe's done all

MTar786
08-24-2011, 03:21 AM
so basically i learned he could have had like 5 80 point games if he played the 4th. sick.

seriously he could have had another 2 or 3

Ebbs
08-24-2011, 03:26 AM
I hate Kobe but still was interestign and worth the read.

whitekimbo
08-24-2011, 03:30 AM
Dont you ever group Kobe with Rose.. Ever in life...

he didn't. he grouped kobe FANS and rose FANS.

don't go crying little guy.

and kobe is a beast. i hope he gets 100 in a game somehow.

Matter.
08-24-2011, 04:36 AM
Reach 30000 Kobe !!!!!

hard_candy
08-24-2011, 05:11 AM
You forgot #34....



Honoring 1 of the Greatest players of All-time B-day

1) Highest season PER was from 2005-06: 28.11

2) That season, he also had by far the highest usage rate (35.3) of any player ever since they started keeping track

3) He might’ve reached his overall individual apex at 24, dropping 30, 7, 6 and 2.2 steals a night in 2002-03

4) In January of that season, he averaged 43.4 points a game, the highest number for any player besides Wilt Chamberlain

5) In February of that season, Kobe scored 93 points (27-48 shooting) on Denver within seven quarters in 24 hours

6) During his string of 35-point games, he scored 551 points in 13 games

7) During that same stretch, he scored more points than any other Laker besides Shaquille O’Neal and Derek Fisher had over the entire year to that point (this was in February mind you)

8) Jordan made the playoffs 13 times with 179 games played and a 46.2% championship rate (six for six in the Finals). Bryant has made 14 postseason appearances (208 games), winning five of seven Finals and 35.7% of the time overall. Lebron ???

9) Last season, he actually averaged 26.9 points per 36 minutes, the third-highest number of his career

10) Last season, he also averaged 5.4 rebounds and 5.0 assists per 36 minutes, his best overall numbers since he was 29 years old

11) He has five 60-point games

12) Four of those 60-point games came in a span of 457 days (Dec. 20, 2005 – March 22, 2007)

13) Including playoffs, he has 117 40-plus point games and 25 50-plus games

14) In 2006-07, Bryant had 10 50-point games, the only player besides Chamberlain to do so in a season

15) In his 55-point game against the Wizards in 2003, Kobe scored 23 points during a 5:42 stretch in the first half. With 4:45 still left in the second quarter, Kobe hit a jumper to give him 40 points

16) A couple of interesting stats: Kobe had games with 62 against Dallas, 56 against Memphis, 52 against Utah and 51 against Denver and either sat for the entire fourth quarter or pretty much all of it

17) As #8: 707 regular season games

18) As #24: 396 regular season games

19) As #8, regular season: 24 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg

20) As #24, regular season: 28 ppg, 6 rpg, 5 apg

21) As #8, playoffs: 126 games

22) As #24, playoffs: 82 games

23) As #8, playoffs: 23 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg

24) As #24, playoffs: 29 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg

25) With Kobe, the Lakers have either made the Finals, won it all or lost to the eventual champs 10 out of the last 13 years

26) In 15 seasons with Kobe, the Lakers have won at least 50 games 11 times (and were on pace for more than 50 during the strike-shortened season).

27) They’ve won at least 56 games in 10 of those seasons.

28) They’ve averaged 53 wins a season since 1996-97.

29) His career regular season record is 792-406.

30) Kobe has played more minutes by his age than anyone in NBA history.

31) Has played in 38 NBA Finals games. Other great current NBA players: LeBron (10 games), Wade & Dirk (12 games), Shaq (30), Duncan (22), KG (13)

32) When Kobe scored his first NBA point, LeBron was 11 years old, Dwight Howard was 10 and Kevin Durant/Derrick Rose had both just turned 8

33) If he plays 82 games again this year (if we even have 82 games), Kobe would need to average exactly 26 points a game to eclipse 30,000 career points

34) Zero rings without an all NBA big.



What is the craziest number of all?

shep33
08-24-2011, 05:25 AM
What's scary is that Kobe has played in the Triangle his whole career. If you put him in a pick and roll offense, his ppg would increase and his assists would drastically increase. People don't realize that this guy has never played in an offense (even with Shaq) where the pick and roll is the focus of the offense. When Mike entered the Triangle with Phil, and started winning championships, his numbers declined in terms of assists and points. The Triangle offense has been well known to decrease the overall productivity of its guards. Look at players with the highest assist totals during the Laker and Bull dynasties... guards have very low assist numbers, including MJ and Kobe. Basically what I'm saying is that similar to MJ, if Kobe got free reign in his younger years, he would've put up even more ridiculous years, but the Triangle brought winning to both the Lakers and Bulls, so we can't argue with that... and yes MJ is the GOAT, no questioning that.

BSplaya2121
08-24-2011, 05:31 AM
You forgot #34....

Your number 34 is a good point in all, but can you tell me the last time that a team won an NBA title (besides the MAVS this year even though Dirk is 7 feet tall and arguably their best rebounder) without an top big man? I mean maybe Detroit the year they beat the Lakers.... but Ben Wallace was D-player of the year. I think that would classify as an big time Big man.

shep33
08-24-2011, 05:36 AM
Your number 34 is a good point in all, but can you tell me the last time that a team won an NBA title (besides the MAVS this year even though Dirk is 7 feet tall and arguably their best rebounder) without an top big man? I mean maybe Detroit the year they beat the Lakers.... but Ben Wallace was D-player of the year. I think that would classify as an big time Big man.

Yeah Rasheed Wallace too. I agree with you. The argument goes both ways, if Shaq didn't have Kobe, no way LA wins 1 championship with Eddie Jones (who LA traded away) as their starting 2.

Jordan doesn't win 6 rings without Pippen, and Magic doesn't win 5 without Worthy and Kareem. The argument is flawed and can really be applied to most championship teams.

Geargo Wallace
08-24-2011, 06:55 AM
sick dude

LAKERMANIA
08-24-2011, 12:07 PM
You forgot #34....

MJ has zero rings without Pippin

Shaq has zero rings without an all nba guard...

Your point?

$KnicksAndKobe$
08-24-2011, 12:40 PM
You forgot #81

Law25
08-24-2011, 01:27 PM
kobe suck every 50 point nite he had backthan dude went out on the court with the intentions of scoring 50 and not sharing the rock or played any D i bet most of those 50 point games were ALL losing effort all cause by kobe WITH HIS high volume shots, ball hogging nature cant make critical shot style kobe is just about FINISH 16yrs mane its curtains yall

Kobe had twentyfive fifty plus games only eight were loses. Only six of his twentfive were below 50%, and they were .489%, .447%, .432%, .486%, .415%, 48.6%. three of those were loses. His highest percentage fifty point game is .731% followed by .720%, .618%, .613%, .609%, .607%. The other 13 were in the fifty percent group. He played a little D two with 1.6 stls in average four his 25 fifty plus games. Thoses are pretty impressive number so check the hate.

Fnom11
08-24-2011, 01:35 PM
ay i feal u man, dewd plaid no d at all, he only juan those champienships and 1st team all defense by luck. He was juan ov da best parimetor defendors in his hurly years, so I dont take anything you say seriously, I remember you posted some other garbage before too. werd dawg i feal wat u sayin doe.

anyone remember all those 40-50 point games he had when his son was born? I think he stringed like 13 consecutive 40 pt games.

To be fair, he got those 1st team defense nominations due to his name. He was never the best defensive SG at any point in the league.

Fnom11
08-24-2011, 01:37 PM
Yeah Rasheed Wallace too. I agree with you. The argument goes both ways, if Shaq didn't have Kobe, no way LA wins 1 championship with Eddie Jones (who LA traded away) as their starting 2.

Jordan doesn't win 6 rings without Pippen, and Magic doesn't win 5 without Worthy and Kareem. The argument is flawed and can really be applied to most championship teams.


I'm not sure if you're serious.

Hawkeye15
08-24-2011, 01:39 PM
anytime you break down the numbers of a top 10 player, it is eye popping. Kobe is no different. There is a reason a player is in the top 10 of the thousands of players who have come thru this game. While Kobe has been fortunate to have been brought into one of the greatest sports franchises and been given loads of help, he has also pushed his game to a level where he has few peers. I can't stand the guy, but its been a blessing to have been able to watch his career.

Tony_Starks
08-24-2011, 01:40 PM
When the biggest thing they can say to discredit your accomplishments is "he never won anything by himself" then you know you're pretty darn good.

nickdymez
08-24-2011, 01:53 PM
anytime you break down the numbers of a top 10 player, it is eye popping. Kobe is no different. There is a reason a player is in the top 10 of the thousands of players who have come thru this game. While Kobe has been fortunate to have been brought into one of the greatest sports franchises and been given loads of help, he has also pushed his game to a level where he has few peers. I can't stand the guy, but its been a blessing to have been able to watch his career.

Dont worry, i caught that

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-24-2011, 01:54 PM
Agreed. However, some of them are dumb. For example:

31) Has played in 38 NBA Finals games. Other great current NBA players: LeBron (10 games), Wade & Dirk (12 games), Shaq (30), Duncan (22), KG (13)

Why does the number of finals games have any bearing on anything? Isn't better to sweep a team in the finals (Duncan) than to lose in six or seven games (Kobe).

The thread is titled Facts you may not know about Kobe.

Hawkeye15
08-24-2011, 02:00 PM
Dont worry, i caught that

you disagree? Kobe came to a perennial loser and managed to carry them to 5 championships?

It wasn't a shot at Kobe. It was a reply to those who say, "he only won because of he had a big man, or anything of that manner".

How you look at my post as negative towards Kobe, if you really are, says a lot about you

BKdoubleStacker
08-24-2011, 03:29 PM
To be fair, he got those 1st team defense nominations due to his name. He was never the best defensive SG at any point in the league.

did you not watch him in his early years? or are you just basing that ridiculous claim off of his latest 1st team selection. he was a very good defender at one point.

Evolution23
08-24-2011, 03:33 PM
wait for the hate..i hear it coming

Lebron traveled

Tony_Starks
08-24-2011, 03:44 PM
you disagree? Kobe came to a perennial loser and managed to carry them to 5 championships?

It wasn't a shot at Kobe. It was a reply to those who say, "he only won because of he had a big man, or anything of that manner".

How you look at my post as negative towards Kobe, if you really are, says a lot about you


To be fair then we could say the same thing about KG and his championship right? He was fortunate enough to get traded to a historic franchise with plenty of help and won. The only difference between the two is KG had a chance to have an individual career first.....

8kobe24
08-24-2011, 04:14 PM
Yes Kobe is blessed to be a Laker, and the Lakers are blessed to have Kobe. And those of us who appreciate basketball and had the chance to watch his career from the start are very fortunate. To see this high school kid blossom as a basketball player is quite amazing and I'm thankful for that...

Youmad?
08-24-2011, 05:35 PM
Funny part is last month we had a thread about how long Kobe was the best and the ignorant haters said 0, 1 or 2 and I just lol
Kobe was known a the best player in the league starting from 04-05 through about 2010 by the media and I really think if we have a season this year he will recapture the #1 spot!. Sure he might have not had the nest statistics but everyone knew he was the best

3RDASYSTEM
08-24-2011, 06:09 PM
For me its more of how people overrate him 'individually' due to being swept 2x with a young Diesel Shaq and then when he developed after 'battling' Jones/VanExel(couldnt imagine Lebron/AI battling with those 2 for playing time especially in 'prime/youth' yrs or getting swept with a young Diesel,EVER),but i admit when he got going they went to 4 Finals in 5yrs..hes a great scorer but early in his career he was a known defender and now overrated and to me hes a better scoring/shooting version of Pippen,yea i said it

Those scoring games by KB are very impressive and not only because i'm a OFF type of dude,its what the game is about..putting points on the board, thats why AI was such a beast for getting 'JORDAN RULES' thrown at him and still dropping 40/50pt games at 5'10'' and playing above the rim and had all world skill(pull up/3shot/handle) with all world athletic ability(he was basically a machine leading the league in steals/minutes/pts almost from his inception and was top 10 in assists when he ran PG,he was underrated in shooting and playmaking departments heavily thru the media and it brainwashed half of America or even 3/4)

Then post Shaq when i could judge him fairly with AI cause of the 'heavy load' minus Shaq factor.. he had a subpar squad(though i consider Odom/Butler nice options) Kobe 'carried and was leader' of a team to 40-44wins i cant recall exact number and 1st round exits and also blew a 3-1 lead against Suns, so to me AI/Lebron did more with less talent and for longer period of time,especially Iverson.. and Kobe tapped out after after 3yrs of not having that 'BIG'(recall the parking lot Youtube vid), he basically did what i said he would do when Shaq left Lakerland, He won scoring titles and was out 1st rd...he was basically AI but with 3 rings post SHAQ era but AI actually carried/lead a team to Finals app. as only legit scoring option,well besides Olajuwon Rockets and even Lebron because Hughes i dont think played in the Finals,though i'm only guessing but he's the only little guy,he's under 6ft(why do people seem to forget this)

I rate guys(especially Superstar/Franchise type) on how far they carry a team on surrounding talent,so if a guy is 5'9'' or 6'8'' and hes carrying a team on his back nite in and out it will take its toll on a lil guy more than a big guy,so in my book the lil guy is more impactful/better(watever term fits you best) than that big guy,but we all have diff. criteria on how we rate players , but if Kobe didnt have to 'develop' and was off top(96-97) as good as AI he would have never rode the pine(Kobe was top rated HS player in country also that yr) and its not like he was sitting the bench for a HOF type players

So thats what kills me about this, him and Pippen avg both around 7-8ppg when they first entered, when does anyone get thrilled about any player putting up those stats? Who jumps around when somebody is putting up 15ppg? or even 22ppg for that matter(AI avg that his 2nd yr when Brown came in and broke him down and Brown breaks down all his players that first yr,that is if you survive his trade wrath)

Can you imagine AI with Diesel for 8yrs when he first came in league?MJ was the only Guard you could say was better than AI individually when he came in and Shaq was most def most dominant Big...scary

AI carried a Franchise for 10 1/2 seasons and was forced out to Nuggetville
Lebron did it for 7 and bailed out because Varejo/Williams/Jamison is not Bosh/Wade/Riley
Kobe did it for 3 seasons(05-07) got him a non playoff birth then 2 scoring titles and first rd exits then he dissed his GM/Teammates in a parking lot and wanted a trade to Chitown cause he said the Organization promised him 'help/talent'? but not one time did AI diss his teammates or Owner or nobody yr in and out and said he needed help, he just did it on his own like no other before or after him cause last time i checked its a big mans league and Olajuwon is 6'10'' and Lebron is 6'8''

AI/Nate Robinson are pretty much same height, 2in. is not that big of a diff if a diff at all... i guess its that I rate players 'individually' not by 'CHIPS' or how many times he got knocked out 1st rd or off of ESPN's top players list cause its too flawed with MJ not winning his first 7yrs and Russell having 11 in 13yrs or how to me KG is better individually than Duncan but 4 to 1 in rings is what most point to, but to each his own....My point is Barry Sanders will always to me be better individually than Emmitt no matter ring factor, same as Griffey/Bonds being individually better than Jeter/Schmidt no matter rings,Marino/Vick will always be over Bradshaw/Dilfer no matter rings and AI being better than Kobe/Horry/Fisher individually no matter the rings, but hey i like to think for myself so im sure im in way way minority on this topic

zn23
08-24-2011, 06:24 PM
Hating someone because of his fanbase is the weakest thing I've ever heard.

#getalife

OBredskin
08-24-2011, 06:39 PM
The title of this thread should be "33 reason why I cling to Kobe's scrotum"

nickdymez
08-24-2011, 06:41 PM
The title of this thread should be "33 reason why I cling to Kobe's scrotum"

you hate?

Tony_Starks
08-24-2011, 06:44 PM
The title of this thread should be "33 reason why I cling to Kobe's scrotum"




You're mentioning scrotum and have a close up of a mans smiling face......



(backs away out of the thread slowly )

The Final Boss
08-24-2011, 06:55 PM
We don't hate Kobe because of his game. We hate him because of his fans.

This gets filed in the category of your parents only loving you because you're their son.

smith&wesson
08-24-2011, 07:02 PM
The type of facts you expect from an all time great.

raps champ your my boy but how can you not like a player because of his fans ? what control does kobe have over that ?

any ways how did they leave out the 81 point game ??

Hawkeye15
08-24-2011, 07:04 PM
To be fair then we could say the same thing about KG and his championship right? He was fortunate enough to get traded to a historic franchise with plenty of help and won. The only difference between the two is KG had a chance to have an individual career first.....

If you read my original post in this thread, I cover that. Of course we can say the same thing about KG and his championship. Players don't get the chance to win rings, unless they are on a great TEAM, something only a handful of players each generation enjoy the luxury of having.

The biggest difference is KG wasn't drafted into a situation that was ready to win rings right away, and given the front office and player support throughout his career. If we do a "33 facts about KG", it would be just as impressive individually.

As I stated originally, before the biggest Kobe homer on this site interjected, any top 10 player ever is going to have eye popping numbers if we break them down. Having the chance to watch Kobe play is a great thing for all of us, regardless of whether we are a personal fan of his or not

Sadds The Gr8
08-24-2011, 07:04 PM
not cool raps champ your my boy but how can you not like a player because of his fans ? what control does kobe have over that ?

i hate him cuz of his fans and he's a tool

Hawkeye15
08-24-2011, 07:10 PM
its petty, but absolutely real to not like a player because of his fans. Call it immature all you want, but when you have to deal with ridiculous, irrational fans of a player who would defend him if he was found standing with a bloody knife in his hand above a dead body with steam coming out of it because its so fresh, it starts to wear on you. It doesn't mean you lose respect for that player if you love the game and understand it.

But don't tell me each and every one of you, at some point, hasn't pulled for a player to fail because you want his fans to stfu. Its simply human nature, sorry

tmacsc2
08-24-2011, 07:14 PM
pretty crazy stats!

Geargo Wallace
08-24-2011, 07:16 PM
dats y Kobe is tha truth yo. so much #swag

... didn't we have a Kobe appreciation thread before? Every other Kobe thread seems to one of a poster who wants to boast about their favorite player, and how God-like he is. I came into this thread expecting to find out what Kobe's favorite colour is, or when he lost his butt virginity. I didn't realize this would be another "Kobe Doin' Work" thread.

nickdymez
08-24-2011, 11:09 PM
If you read my original post in this thread, I cover that. Of course we can say the same thing about KG and his championship. Players don't get the chance to win rings, unless they are on a great TEAM, something only a handful of players each generation enjoy the luxury of having.

The biggest difference is KG wasn't drafted into a situation that was ready to win rings right away, and given the front office and player support throughout his career. If we do a "33 facts about KG", it would be just as impressive individually.

As I stated originally, before the biggest Kobe homer on this site interjected, any top 10 player ever is going to have eye popping numbers if we break them down. Having the chance to watch Kobe play is a great thing for all of us, regardless of whether we are a personal fan of his or not

KG's individual accomplishments are nothing on Kobes... Dont say that anymore. KG was just extremely consistent. I never saw him do anything and be like "Wow, thats pretty amazing". You know, like score 81 points in a game, two weeks after he scored 63 in 3 quarters... And stop with the "Kobe homer" ******** brrrooo, I never lie about kobe or exaggerate. You bring up circumstantial things to try and discredit him, passive aggressively i might add... So chill out... If Kobe was on the wolves i would still respect him.. Like i did Jordan, Grant Hill, Charles Barkley, Hakeem, Bird, Thomas, and Duncan.


its petty, but absolutely real to not like a player because of his fans. Call it immature all you want, but when you have to deal with ridiculous, irrational fans of a player who would defend him if he was found standing with a bloody knife in his hand above a dead body with steam coming out of it because its so fresh, it starts to wear on you. It doesn't mean you lose respect for that player if you love the game and understand it.

But don't tell me each and every one of you, at some point, hasn't pulled for a player to fail because you want his fans to stfu. Its simply human nature, sorry

So you mean like Lebron fans?

Tony_Starks
08-24-2011, 11:26 PM
I get annoyed at Lebron fans that automatically give him the greatest ever status and have every excuse in the world for his failures but it doesn't make me dislike him. There are also some reasonable Lebron fans that give him his props, but admit it when he chokes.

I think thats the same with every fan base.

Hawkeye15
08-25-2011, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by nickdymez


KG's individual accomplishments are nothing on Kobes... Dont say that anymore.

Individually, yes they were


KG was just extremely consistent. I never saw him do anything and be like "Wow, thats pretty amazing".

This is a typical response on why some think Kobe is better than Duncan. Pure example


You know, like score 81 points in a game, two weeks after he scored 63 in 3 quarters...

Did Kobe go for 20-10-5 for seven straight years?



And stop with the "Kobe homer" ******** brrrooo, I never lie about kobe or exaggerate.

This is literally the funniest thing I have ever read on this site.


You bring up circumstantial things to try and discredit him, passive aggressively i might add... So chill out...

I discredited him in this thread? Please show me where


If Kobe was on the wolves i would still respect him.. Like i did Jordan, Grant Hill, Charles Barkley, Hakeem, Bird, Thomas, and Duncan.

And I also respect Kobe. What is your point?

LA_Raiders
08-25-2011, 02:29 AM
The Best...

Raps18-19 Champ
08-25-2011, 02:42 AM
raps champ your my boy but how can you not like a player because of his fans ? what control does kobe have over that ?

any ways how did they leave out the 81 point game ??

The fact that they are on his nuts so badly make it hard to like him.

So I started off having no opinion on him because of his fans. Then when they because more of dicks, I wasn't really feeling it anymore.

Raps18-19 Champ
08-25-2011, 02:44 AM
This gets filed in the category of your parents only loving you because you're their son.

Not really. My parents care about me.

I don't get your joke.

Cal827
08-25-2011, 03:25 AM
The fact that they are on his nuts so badly make it hard to like him.

So I started off having no opinion on him because of his fans. Then when they because more of dicks, I wasn't really feeling it anymore.

lol Damn, then you must absolutely love Derek Rose and Lebron James, since their fans have basically crazy-glued themselves to their respective scrotums. :rolleyes:

eugene
08-25-2011, 03:52 AM
This and some other...
26) In 15 seasons with Kobe, the Lakers have won at least 50 games 11 times (and were on pace for more than 50 during the strike-shortened season).

In 15 season with Kobe, the Lakers had: Shaq, Gasol, Ron Harper, Payton, Malone, Glen Rice, Ron Artest, Rick Fox, Robert Horry, Caron Butler, Lamar Odom, kh kh kh Brian Shaw, etc.

Bunch of excellent star or role players so please... Team wins championships, not an individual. We all know how deep in the butt Lakers have been while Kobe playing alone

Raps18-19 Champ
08-25-2011, 05:13 AM
lol Damn, then you must absolutely love Derek Rose and Lebron James, since their fans have basically crazy-glued themselves to their respective scrotums. :rolleyes:

I hate Derrick Rose because of his fans too.

I'm a Lebron fan though but I don't show it off like other Lebron fans so it pisses me off too.

Even though I hate all their fans and it affects my view on the players, I still know Kobe, Lebron and Rose are great players.

Don't roll your eyes at me if you don't know what you're talking about. Make 1000 post before you quote me again. Either that or make your very first quality post.

basketfan4life
08-25-2011, 06:46 AM
the best thing about Kobe is, he is the most feared player by his peers i have ever witnessed, this alone says a lot.

i remember one trailblazers player saying;"our coachs are saying,do this when guarding bron, do that when guarding d-wade, good luck when guarding Kobe"...

Kobes a Killer
08-25-2011, 07:44 AM
This and some other...
26) In 15 seasons with Kobe, the Lakers have won at least 50 games 11 times (and were on pace for more than 50 during the strike-shortened season).

In 15 season with Kobe, the Lakers had: Shaq, Gasol, Ron Harper, Payton, Malone, Glen Rice, Ron Artest, Rick Fox, Robert Horry, Caron Butler, Lamar Odom, kh kh kh Brian Shaw, etc.

Bunch of excellent star or role players so please... Team wins championships, not an individual. We all know how deep in the butt Lakers have been while Kobe playing alone

Anyone would be hurt in the butt playing with that team with kwame and smush, but very very few would put up the insane individual numbers Kobe did. And surprise surprise everyone knows you don't win championships alone. I just wanna point out quite off topic as it may be, that Kobe lead the team in scoring in the playoffs for 2/3 rings with shaq, as great as shaq is he never woulda won 3 rings without Kobe, and Kobe never woulda won without shaq, simple as that

Geargo Wallace
08-25-2011, 08:02 AM
Anyone would be hurt in the butt playing with that team with kwame and smush, but very very few would put up the insane individual numbers Kobe did. And surprise surprise everyone knows you don't win championships alone. I just wanna point out quite off topic as it may be, that Kobe lead the team in scoring in the playoffs for 2/3 rings with shaq, as great as shaq is he never woulda won 3 rings without Kobe, and Kobe never woulda won without shaq, simple as that

If a LeBron fan said that it would be called "an excuse." Although LeBron probably would have won 55-60 games with that lineup.

valade16
08-25-2011, 09:22 AM
the best thing about Kobe is, he is the most feared player by his peers i have ever witnessed, this alone says a lot.

i remember one trailblazers player saying;"our coachs are saying,do this when guarding bron, do that when guarding d-wade, good luck when guarding Kobe"...

You clearly never witnessed Jordan.

And actually Shaq from 00-02 was easily more feared than Kobe has ever been.

Not to take anything away from Kobe because he's been either the best or tied for the best player of the last decade (with Duncan).

3RDASYSTEM
08-25-2011, 09:26 AM
Iverson took a Smush/Brown type squad to Finals and carried that type of talent for his first 10yrs basically and KB did it for 3yrs and we all seen how that played out,its very comedy once you sit back and realize what he did after blowing a 3-1 lead and not basically shooting in 2nd half when your the scoring champ and your team now expects you to jack shots like that AI role he had then to take once Diesel bailed....thats how i rank players individually and i feel others should also, KB's a tremendous scorer/chucker

Does that sound similar to who yall refer that to? you know that lil fella that 5'9'' revolutionary Shooting Guard, that dont even sound right but cause aint no way a guy that size should be doing or done what he did, he's the only player in history i can really think of to score like MJ(attack attack mode to rim/perimeter),run off screens baseline to baseline like RIP/Miller/Stojakovic/Allen, and i've seen him post up Boykins/Lue ...how can a guy at that size do what he did....PHYSICAL ABILITY like hes Lebrons height,he played way big and was fearless, its funny how people dont want to say he's the closest to MJ because of a lack of CHIP or 2, but individually... go ask Barkley about that

nickdymez
08-25-2011, 09:28 AM
Iverson took a Smush/Brown type squad to Finals and carried that type of talent for his first 10yrs basically and KB did it for 3yrs and we all seen how that played out,its very comedy once you sit back and realize what he did after blowing a 3-1 lead and not basically shooting in 2nd half when your the scoring champ and your team now expects you to jack shots like that AI role he had then to take once Diesel bailed....thats how i rank players individually and i feel others should also, KB's a tremendous scorer/chucker

Does that sound similar to who yall refer that to? you know that lil fella that 5'9'' revolutionary Shooting Guard, that dont even sound right but cause aint no way a guy that size should be doing or done what he did, he's the only player in history i can really think of to score like MJ(attack attack mode to rim/perimeter),run off screens baseline to baseline like RIP/Miller/Stojakovic/Allen, and i've seen him post up Boykins/Lue ...how can a guy at that size do what he did....PHYSICAL ABILITY like hes Lebrons height,he played way big and was fearless, its funny how people dont want to say he's the closest to MJ because of a lack of CHIP or 2, but individually... go ask Barkley about that

You serious? Allen was MVP, he had the coach of the year, the defensive player of the year, and the sixth man of the year on that team.

3RDASYSTEM
08-25-2011, 09:42 AM
Hell Yea im serious, they said Kobe got robbed one of those yrs for MVP and dont give me that sixth man or Mutombo mess cause they were much more dangerous with Ratliff record wise and athletic big to complliment AI games way better, no sixth man will ever again win it at 11.7PPG ...Iverson was that good and Brown D scheme was etched in stone, but to say Smush/Brown is not Mckie/Snow/Lynch/Hill then you must dont know about individual talent

And dont forget during those Smush/Brown days he had Butler and Odom also,Odom just stayed longer

eugene
08-25-2011, 09:44 AM
Anyone would be hurt in the butt playing with that team with kwame and smush, but very very few would put up the insane individual numbers Kobe did. And surprise surprise everyone knows you don't win championships alone. I just wanna point out quite off topic as it may be, that Kobe lead the team in scoring in the playoffs for 2/3 rings with shaq, as great as shaq is he never woulda won 3 rings without Kobe, and Kobe never woulda won without shaq, simple as that

There is nothing to point out... TEAM wins championships not an individual...

3RDASYSTEM
08-25-2011, 09:44 AM
Also Iverson was runner up to SHAQ yr before in MVP race, he was just that good individually battling with Duncan/Shaq for dominance and they both Footers and the other one is under 6ft,amazing

nickdymez
08-25-2011, 12:59 PM
Hell Yea im serious, they said Kobe got robbed one of those yrs for MVP and dont give me that sixth man or Mutombo mess cause they were much more dangerous with Ratliff record wise and athletic big to complliment AI games way better, no sixth man will ever again win it at 11.7PPG ...Iverson was that good and Brown D scheme was etched in stone, but to say Smush/Brown is not Mckie/Snow/Lynch/Hill then you must dont know about individual talent

And dont forget during those Smush/Brown days he had Butler and Odom also,Odom just stayed longer

Dont discredit those teams.. Larry Brown is known for bringing players together and making them play as a team. You people are to caught up in this "superstar" bull crap. And odom had his best years 4 years after that trade, and caron was in his second season.. come on...

Cal827
08-25-2011, 01:05 PM
I hate Derrick Rose because of his fans too.

I'm a Lebron fan though but I don't show it off like other Lebron fans so it pisses me off too.

Even though I hate all their fans and it affects my view on the players, I still know Kobe, Lebron and Rose are great players.

Don't roll your eyes at me if you don't know what you're talking about. Make 1000 post before you quote me again. Either that or make your very first quality post.

lol Yikes, I had no intention of insulting you, sorry if you felt it was baiting.


Also Iverson was runner up to SHAQ yr before in MVP race, he was just that good individually battling with Duncan/Shaq for dominance and they both Footers and the other one is under 6ft,amazing

To be fair, Shaq missed out on a Unanimous MVP vote because of one random guy (Fred Hickman) voting him at 1 overall. It was likely a fan, because he was actually 7th in MVP voting that year (Behind guys like KG, Malone, and Payton).

Reference: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/2000/playoffs/news/2000/05/09/oneal_mvp/

LAKERMANIA
08-25-2011, 01:10 PM
If a LeBron fan said that it would be called "an excuse." Although LeBron probably would have won 55-60 games with that lineup.

:laugh2:

You know I woke up this morning hoping I read something funny on PSD, thanks!

Da Knicks
08-25-2011, 01:40 PM
Great player but his arrogance just kills it for me along with his fans that swear Kobe is god.

Chill_Will_24
08-25-2011, 01:44 PM
For me its more of how people overrate him 'individually' due to being swept 2x with a young Diesel Shaq and then when he developed after 'battling' Jones/VanExel(couldnt imagine Lebron/AI battling with those 2 for playing time especially in 'prime/youth' yrs or getting swept with a young Diesel,EVER),but i admit when he got going they went to 4 Finals in 5yrs..hes a great scorer but early in his career he was a known defender and now overrated and to me hes a better scoring/shooting version of Pippen,yea i said it

Those scoring games by KB are very impressive and not only because i'm a OFF type of dude,its what the game is about..putting points on the board, thats why AI was such a beast for getting 'JORDAN RULES' thrown at him and still dropping 40/50pt games at 5'10'' and playing above the rim and had all world skill(pull up/3shot/handle) with all world athletic ability(he was basically a machine leading the league in steals/minutes/pts almost from his inception and was top 10 in assists when he ran PG,he was underrated in shooting and playmaking departments heavily thru the media and it brainwashed half of America or even 3/4)

Then post Shaq when i could judge him fairly with AI cause of the 'heavy load' minus Shaq factor.. he had a subpar squad(though i consider Odom/Butler nice options) Kobe 'carried and was leader' of a team to 40-44wins i cant recall exact number and 1st round exits and also blew a 3-1 lead against Suns, so to me AI/Lebron did more with less talent and for longer period of time,especially Iverson.. and Kobe tapped out after after 3yrs of not having that 'BIG'(recall the parking lot Youtube vid), he basically did what i said he would do when Shaq left Lakerland, He won scoring titles and was out 1st rd...he was basically AI but with 3 rings post SHAQ era but AI actually carried/lead a team to Finals app. as only legit scoring option,well besides Olajuwon Rockets and even Lebron because Hughes i dont think played in the Finals,though i'm only guessing but he's the only little guy,he's under 6ft(why do people seem to forget this)

I rate guys(especially Superstar/Franchise type) on how far they carry a team on surrounding talent,so if a guy is 5'9'' or 6'8'' and hes carrying a team on his back nite in and out it will take its toll on a lil guy more than a big guy,so in my book the lil guy is more impactful/better(watever term fits you best) than that big guy,but we all have diff. criteria on how we rate players , but if Kobe didnt have to 'develop' and was off top(96-97) as good as AI he would have never rode the pine(Kobe was top rated HS player in country also that yr) and its not like he was sitting the bench for a HOF type players

So thats what kills me about this, him and Pippen avg both around 7-8ppg when they first entered, when does anyone get thrilled about any player putting up those stats? Who jumps around when somebody is putting up 15ppg? or even 22ppg for that matter(AI avg that his 2nd yr when Brown came in and broke him down and Brown breaks down all his players that first yr,that is if you survive his trade wrath)

Can you imagine AI with Diesel for 8yrs when he first came in league?MJ was the only Guard you could say was better than AI individually when he came in and Shaq was most def most dominant Big...scary

AI carried a Franchise for 10 1/2 seasons and was forced out to Nuggetville
Lebron did it for 7 and bailed out because Varejo/Williams/Jamison is not Bosh/Wade/Riley
Kobe did it for 3 seasons(05-07) got him a non playoff birth then 2 scoring titles and first rd exits then he dissed his GM/Teammates in a parking lot and wanted a trade to Chitown cause he said the Organization promised him 'help/talent'? but not one time did AI diss his teammates or Owner or nobody yr in and out and said he needed help, he just did it on his own like no other before or after him cause last time i checked its a big mans league and Olajuwon is 6'10'' and Lebron is 6'8''

AI/Nate Robinson are pretty much same height, 2in. is not that big of a diff if a diff at all... i guess its that I rate players 'individually' not by 'CHIPS' or how many times he got knocked out 1st rd or off of ESPN's top players list cause its too flawed with MJ not winning his first 7yrs and Russell having 11 in 13yrs or how to me KG is better individually than Duncan but 4 to 1 in rings is what most point to, but to each his own....My point is Barry Sanders will always to me be better individually than Emmitt no matter ring factor, same as Griffey/Bonds being individually better than Jeter/Schmidt no matter rings,Marino/Vick will always be over Bradshaw/Dilfer no matter rings and AI being better than Kobe/Horry/Fisher individually no matter the rings, but hey i like to think for myself so im sure im in way way minority on this topic

Im probably the only one that read this novel you wrote but i agree completely. Individually if you wanna look at it the way your saying Allen Iverson is one of the GOAT and a legend. I hope he is on NBA 2K12 btw cuz there will never be another player quite like Iverson

netsgiantsyanks
08-25-2011, 02:13 PM
kobe is literally a monster amongst men, its not even funny

3RDASYSTEM
08-25-2011, 02:19 PM
Yo NICKDYMEZ what is there to discredit about a team that damn near won 60 games(he sat out last 5) with a player who i said is individually the best to do it as lone and primary scorer/playmaker? i dont get caught up in 'SUPERSTAR' term cause its only a tru handful in each sport, so dont get me twisted with these other folks on here

Thats wats so funny is when you mention any of AI's teammates people are quick to point out the Def. players/scheme but not one time did they ever say he had a Legit Big/Wing in his 20-28yrs of age, he was the primary and secondary and third scoring/playmaking options and he lead the league in min/steals/scoring for mutliple yrs, he was the pure definition of a Super/Rockstar type of player, his teams never came in season with expectations to do anything ''IVERSON'' made them legit game in and out, thats definition of a 'SUPERSTAR' , not playing good for a wks worth of games then ESPN showing your highlights then people on PSD will post ''is he a superstar after exploding for 1 wk in the NBA''....Amazing

Appreciate that CHILL WILL, thats why i destroy'em cause i talk about the 'INDIVIDUAL' player and base it of combo of SKILL/ATHLETIC ABILITY/TOUGHNESS/HEART/CLUTCH and its like this how can D.Rose be better than Iverson when just now in his 3rd season he has somewhat 'developed' a 3pt shot and he's all world athlete like Iverson is but Iverson was hitting over 100 3's his rookie season and pulling NBA 3's as a Junior in High School on a regular basis?

Can someone please explain to me how a Super skilled guy whos a pretty avg to ok athlete be better/dynamic than the player who has both Skill/Athletic ability at Allworld level? guess we just live in 2 diff. sports worlds

and how can a guy avg 7 and 15ppg his first 2yrs but make an Allstar game on 15ppg? only in LA LA Land...and someone posted on here that KB led the Lakeshow in scoring in playoffs for 2 of those 3 CHIPS, well of course he did cause i said once he got goin they went to 4 Finals in 5yrs so thats not shocking,the shocking part is that it took him 4yrs to get going,who waits 4yrs in any sports for anybody to get going..thats whats so comedy about this all, and then to top it off when he finally got going Iverson won league MVP after KB teammate Shaq Diesel took it the yr before(when KB got going)...so to me KB caught up to him in 08 when he finally won league MVP and still that lil 5'9'' guy finished 3rd behind KOBE/JAMES for scoring title at 32/33yrs of age in his 12th season,playing all 82games and just to think this was the first time he played with a 'primed' superstar talent

Tony_Starks
08-25-2011, 02:45 PM
If a LeBron fan said that it would be called "an excuse." Although LeBron probably would have won 55-60 games with that lineup.



This may be one of the most entertaining post I've read in a while. Say what you want about Lebons help but at least they had respectable careers pre Lebron. Smush was a complete joke and has been forever banished from the league, Mihm was basically a volleyball player, and Kwame... well suffice to say Michael Jordan called him a f@ggot. Put all three of their career avgs together and you barely get 22 points combined!!

Getting those misfits to the playoffs, in the west mind you, was MVP worthy in itself!

3RDASYSTEM
08-25-2011, 02:47 PM
Yo NICKDYMEZ my point on Odom/Butler was that they are better basketball talents individually than what AI had and KB had'em,so wats your point? U made mines for me by saying Odom had his best 4yrs after trade with KB and I dont care if Butler was in his 2nd season he was individually better than Mckie/Snow/Lynch combined 3-1 at any time in his career at UCONN and in NBA, it amazes me how people cant decipher individual talent/player from a Ring/CHIP

I know Jerry Rice got all the records and rings but if you show me his highlights next to R.Moss, im taking Moss allday, and you can go ask Rice about Moss if you want to and he'll tell you the same that individually he couldnt match up talent wise but its just the perception that Rice outworked Moss during offseason,which maybe or maybe not tru

and thats another thing I'm sick of the media brainwashing you guys with, how in the world just because Iverson/James/Rose/Shaq/Moss and whoever is a freak GOD giving talented athlete dont have a worth ethic of a KB/Durant/Manning/Rice? They all worked hard its just that freakish God given athletic ability what seperates the Vick/Iverson/Shaq/Lebron/Moss from the rest cause they had the supreme skill to match it

Vick could throw from pocket on a line but could run as fast as Moss/Primetime Sanders which is unfair

Iverson had allworld speed and a 44in vert but he could shoot from anywhere on floor as far as pull up J/3PT shot with the best of'em which is unfair

Moss had hands that were unfair to match with his allworld physical athletic abilities, and do i need to go on? We just judge athletes/players diff.

AIRMAR72
08-25-2011, 03:06 PM
Yo NICKDYMEZ my point on Odom/Butler was that they are better basketball talents individually than what AI had and KB had'em,so wats your point? U made mines for me by saying Odom had his best 4yrs after trade with KB and I dont care if Butler was in his 2nd season he was individually better than Mckie/Snow/Lynch combined 3-1 at any time in his career at UCONN and in NBA, it amazes me how people cant decipher individual talent/player from a Ring/CHIP

I know Jerry Rice got all the records and rings but if you show me his highlights next to R.Moss, im taking Moss allday, and you can go ask Rice about Moss if you want to and he'll tell you the same that individually he couldnt match up talent wise but its just the perception that Rice outworked Moss during offseason,which maybe or maybe not tru

and thats another thing I'm sick of the media brainwashing you guys with, how in the world just because Iverson/James/Rose/Shaq/Moss and whoever is a freak GOD giving talented athlete dont have a worth ethic of a KB/Durant/Manning/Rice? They all worked hard its just that freakish God given athletic ability what seperates the Vick/Iverson/Shaq/Lebron/Moss from the rest cause they had the supreme skill to match it

Vick could throw from pocket on a line but could run as fast as Moss/Primetime Sanders which is unfair

Iverson had allworld speed and a 44in vert but he could shoot from anywhere on floor as far as pull up J/3PT shot with the best of'em which is unfair

Moss had hands that were unfair to match with his allworld physical athletic abilities, and do i need to go on? We just judge athletes/players diff.

i agree with EVERYTHING you post Allen (da answer) Iverson used lite kobe tail up kobe hated playing against the answer and tracy mcgrady a younger kobe tried so hard backthan but didnt have a answer for iverson that is why KOBE have 1 MVP so late in his career HE was OUTPLAYED by others

3RDASYSTEM
08-25-2011, 03:12 PM
Yea U right AIRMAR before injuries TMAC was better individually than KB, it amazes me that a guy who took 4yrs to develop gets so much props,really it does..i mean the 81 pt game and 62 thru 3qtrs is quite impressive and that 35ppg season,other than that he's a complete mirror image of MJ,and i aint talking Magic

3RDASYSTEM
08-25-2011, 03:17 PM
Well its not a big deal to me cause i know we live in a 'wat have u done for me lately' world and KB does have 2 of the last 3 CHIPS and 3 of last 4 Finals app. ..so there you have it,KB has done more lately than AI/TMAC and whoever was ahead of him before he took over cause it was clearly between KB/AI thats why they had to get rid of AI/Hip hop image like ASAP or he would be top 10 for points scored right about now in NBA history

its funny how before he passed away C.Daly said Iverson was closest to MJordan competiveness/mental tough wise but hey what does he know,he only coached the Bad Boys who handled MJ pretty well for a 2-3yr stretch

But from a body of work angle,talking from inception 96-97 rookie of yr(6th in scoring race) to his full final season 2008(3rd in scoring race) nobody played at such a high level for 12yrs strait,it didnt take AI 4yrs to get going, he dropped 30pts his NBA debut game

basketfan4life
08-25-2011, 03:19 PM
You clearly never witnessed Jordan.

And actually Shaq from 00-02 was easily more feared than Kobe has ever been.

Not to take anything away from Kobe because he's been either the best or tied for the best player of the last decade (with Duncan).
you are right about Jordan cause i only witnessed the very end of his GOAT career, but i don't agree with shaq part.

3RDASYSTEM
08-25-2011, 03:45 PM
Yo BASKETFAN If you witnessed the end of his greatness then you must know exactly wat i mean when i say KB is a mirror image of MJ cause he played just like that 2nd 3peat version of MJ(96-98), i know you see big time resemblence right?

Kobes a Killer
08-25-2011, 07:58 PM
Im probably the only one that read this novel you wrote but i agree completely. Individually if you wanna look at it the way your saying Allen Iverson is one of the GOAT and a legend. I hope he is on NBA 2K12 btw cuz there will never be another player quite like Iverson


This may be one of the most entertaining post I've read in a while. Say what you want about Lebons help but at least they had respectable careers pre Lebron. Smush was a complete joke and has been forever banished from the league, Mihm was basically a volleyball player, and Kwame... well suffice to say Michael Jordan called him a f@ggot. Put all three of their career avgs together and you barely get 22 points combined!!

Getting those misfits to the playoffs, in the west mind you, was MVP worthy in itself!

This

nickdymez
08-27-2011, 02:08 PM
Fact 34.. Kobe got an MVP chant in Boston....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsXPZVPIjxE&feature=related

Antipod
08-27-2011, 03:16 PM
This once again shows what a great players he is .. :clap: to the master ...

AIRMAR72
08-27-2011, 04:46 PM
Yea U right AIRMAR before injuries TMAC was better individually than KB, it amazes me that a guy who took 4yrs to develop gets so much props,really it does..i mean the 81 pt game and 62 thru 3qtrs is quite impressive and that 35ppg season,other than that he's a complete mirror image of MJ,and i aint talking Magic

well said, but kobe 81 came against a lifeless raptors team, kobe took a ton shots in that game i was never impress when kobe scored 81 it was too easy because the raptors were a young team that didnt play defense i was more impress with david (the admiral) robinson 71 points because he EARNED every point he scored

AIRMAR72
08-27-2011, 05:00 PM
Yo BASKETFAN If you witnessed the end of his greatness then you must know exactly wat i mean when i say KB is a mirror image of MJ cause he played just like that 2nd 3peat version of MJ(96-98), i know you see big time resemblence right?

i agree kobe is a highly watered down version of jordan indeed we all thought kobe simply over DID IT he walk he talks like jordan especially when kobe was younger dude patend his voice to sound exactly like jordan even his facial impression and antics JORDAN

LakersA's49ers
08-27-2011, 05:05 PM
unfortunatly he still wontget any respect :/

bovice163
08-27-2011, 05:07 PM
unfortunatly he still wontget any respect :/

You don't have to like Kobe, but if you don't respect the guy then you're an ignorant fool. Mirror of MJ or not, he dominated the game and that's what he'll be remembered for.

naps
08-27-2011, 05:12 PM
unfortunatly he still wontget any respect :/

Kobe deserves a lot of respect from fans but I figured a lot of people don't respect him because of his arrogant fans. Comparing him with Jordan time and time again also played a role in this.

basketfan4life
08-27-2011, 05:13 PM
there may be faster players, more athletic players, better shooters than Kobe, in this generations superstars, but you always know that there is something missing in these guys that Kobe has.

Hawkeye15
08-27-2011, 06:03 PM
unfortunatly he still wontget any respect :/

you really think Kobe doesn't get respect? Its thinking like that which allows you to actually overrate the hell out of a top 10 player ever, and call fans like me a hater.

BKdoubleStacker
08-27-2011, 06:34 PM
well said, but kobe 81 came against a lifeless raptors team, kobe took a ton shots in that game i was never impress when kobe scored 81 it was too easy because the raptors were a young team that didnt play defense i was more impress with david (the admiral) robinson 71 points because he EARNED every point he scored

manute LUL

he took a ton of shots??? How else are you going to score 81? do you realize he scored 81 pts on 46 shots?

and if that defense was so easy to score on, why didnt anyone else score 81 on them?

BKdoubleStacker
08-27-2011, 06:36 PM
i agree with EVERYTHING you post Allen (da answer) Iverson used lite kobe tail up kobe hated playing against the answer and tracy mcgrady a younger kobe tried so hard backthan but didnt have a answer for iverson that is why KOBE have 1 MVP so late in his career HE was OUTPLAYED by others

yo werd dawggg, he didnt have an anser, he only won the champienship against iversin, 4-1, even though kobe didnt guard iverson, he hatid playing against him

Cal827
08-27-2011, 06:41 PM
manute LUL

he took a ton of shots??? How else are you going to score 81? do you realize he scored 81 pts on 46 shots?

and if that defense was so easy to score on, why didnt anyone else score 81 on them?

Lmao, you make it sound easy... Remember, the Raptors were holding LA down for much of the game, until Kobe went absolutely beserk in the 2nd half. (I think he got like 55 or 56 in the second half)

I do agree with you that he would have to take a ton of shots.... but on the bolded point.... no matter how terrible a team is on defense, they don't tend to give up games like this... otherwise Luke Harangody, Derek Rose, Corey Magette, and Brian Scalbraine would have had multiple 60 point games against this year's terrible Raps defense.

BKdoubleStacker
08-27-2011, 06:46 PM
Lmao, you make it sound easy... Remember, the Raptors were holding LA down for much of the game, until Kobe went absolutely beserk in the 2nd half. (I think he got like 55 or 56 in the second half)

I do agree with you that he would have to take a ton of shots.... but on the bolded point.... no matter how terrible a team is on defense, they don't tend to give up games like this... otherwise Luke Harangody, Derek Rose, Corey Magette, and Brian Scalbraine would have had multiple 60 point games against this year's terrible Raps defense.

this guy is an awful poster, i dont even know why I repsond to him, but its funny how he hates kobe so much it makes him look like a fool.

Kobe made 81 pts on 46 shots, over 60% from the field.

Cal827
08-27-2011, 06:56 PM
this guy is an awful poster, i dont even know why I repsond to him, but its funny how he hates kobe so much it makes him look like a fool.

Kobe made 81 pts on 46 shots, over 60% from the field.

LOL really? How does my response make me look like a fool? I didn't take anything away from Kobe's game, I am quite aware that he was quite efficient in getting the 81 points ; I'm just saying that you wouldn't expect to see anybody go off like this against anybody (not only just the bad teams). For example, didn't Kobe have 61 through 3 quarters against Dallas in the same year? Dallas was a very good team back then too, but if he had played the 4th, he probably could've got at least 75 there too.

BKdoubleStacker
08-27-2011, 07:12 PM
LOL really? How does my response make me look like a fool? I didn't take anything away from Kobe's game, I am quite aware that he was quite efficient in getting the 81 points ; I'm just saying that you wouldn't expect to see anybody go off like this against anybody (not only just the bad teams). For example, didn't Kobe have 61 through 3 quarters against Dallas in the same year? Dallas was a very good team back then too, but if he had played the 4th, he probably could've got at least 75 there too.

...I wasnt even referring to you lol

nickdymez
08-27-2011, 09:01 PM
well said, but kobe 81 came against a lifeless raptors team, kobe took a ton shots in that game i was never impress when kobe scored 81 it was too easy because the raptors were a young team that didnt play defense i was more impress with david (the admiral) robinson 71 points because he EARNED every point he scored

What about 2 weeks before he scored 81, when he scored 63 in 3 quarters against the mavs?

RevisIsland
08-27-2011, 09:45 PM
He's an all time great, I wouldn't expect anything less.

AIRMAR72
08-27-2011, 10:58 PM
manute LUL

he took a ton of shots??? How else are you going to score 81? do you realize he scored 81 pts on 46 shots?

and if that defense was so easy to score on, why didnt anyone else score 81 on them?

your boy tobe i meant kobe is a WELL known certify chucking ball hog bkdoublestacker get real were talking 46 shots against a team that was puzzle on defense what about is teammates dont you think they would like a TRY at the basket too

dodie53
08-27-2011, 11:01 PM
34. kobe misses shasha. alot.

BKdoubleStacker
08-28-2011, 12:54 AM
your boy tobe i meant kobe is a WELL known certify chucking ball hog bkdoublestacker get real were talking 46 shots against a team that was puzzle on defense what about is teammates dont you think they would like a TRY at the basket too

and who exactly had the ability to score on that team??? other than odom, who is not a 2nd option, who can score maybe 15 ppg at most, who else on that sorry *** team can score? kwame brown? luke walton? a very young vujacic? SMUSH PARKER???? half of that team isnt even in the league anymore.

...and again 81 pts on 46 shots is very efficient, so I would like to know who your math teacher was, or if you ever went to school.

C-Style
08-28-2011, 02:46 AM
your boy tobe i meant kobe is a WELL known certify chucking ball hog bkdoublestacker get real were talking 46 shots against a team that was puzzle on defense what about is teammates dont you think they would like a TRY at the basket too

KOBE'S HAS TAKEN 19 SHOTS PER GAME THROUGH HIS CAREER. AND AVERAGED 5 ASSIST

JORDAN HAS TAKEN 23 SHOTS PER GAME THROUGH HIS CAREER. AND AVERAGED 5 ASSIST.


JORDAN MUST BE A BALLHOG TOO RIGHT! :facepalm:

Jordan took 49 shots a game(OT). Jordan was 27-49 from the field and 9-11 from the line, scoring 64 points. He had 6 rebounds and 1 assist. He played 47 minutes in that game...the Magic defeated the Bulls 128-124 in OT. The game was at Chicago on January 16, 1993.

TheRunKiller
08-28-2011, 03:07 AM
Kobe was great but not anymore, why was his team only a 6th 7th 8th seed during his prime years? they were nothing but a team that would push the higher seed to 6 7 games

BKdoubleStacker
08-28-2011, 03:23 AM
Kobe was great but not anymore, why was his team only a 6th 7th 8th seed during his prime years? they were nothing but a team that would push the higher seed to 6 7 games

maybe because he had guys like kwame brown and smush parker starting on the team

nickdymez
08-28-2011, 03:27 AM
Kobe was great but not anymore, why was his team only a 6th 7th 8th seed during his prime years? they were nothing but a team that would push the higher seed to 6 7 games

Also the west was stacked... When your starters are , Kwame Brown, Chris mihm, And smush parker, it might be hard in the stacked west... But whatever..

shep33
08-28-2011, 04:31 AM
Kobe was great but not anymore, why was his team only a 6th 7th 8th seed during his prime years? they were nothing but a team that would push the higher seed to 6 7 games

If you put those Laker teams out east, they would easily... easily win 5-10 more games. The west was a powerhouse (still is in my opinion) back then. Really outside the Pistons out east, nobody was scary. The west had ridiculous teams. There's a reason why the west has won 10 of the last 13 titles.

Hawkeye15
08-29-2011, 03:44 PM
Kobe was great but not anymore, why was his team only a 6th 7th 8th seed during his prime years? they were nothing but a team that would push the higher seed to 6 7 games

because Kobe hit his individual peak in the 3 year period where he actually didn't have much of a roster around him is why

Did you see the Lakers starting lineup in 2005 and 2006? Yikes

Hawkeye15
08-29-2011, 03:46 PM
If you put those Laker teams out east, they would easily... easily win 5-10 more games. The west was a powerhouse (still is in my opinion) back then. Really outside the Pistons out east, nobody was scary. The west had ridiculous teams. There's a reason why the west has won 10 of the last 13 titles.

obviously true. Hell, if they would have aligned the Wolves right, their franchise history might be completely different, because the KG era would have been smack in the middle of the east sucks era

Hawkeye15
08-29-2011, 03:47 PM
Also the west was stacked... When your starters are , Kwame Brown, Chris mihm, And smush parker, it might be hard in the stacked west... But whatever..

I see you are using the roster argument here. While I am not disagreeing with you, its funny how you use it when it benefits you, and refuse to acknowledge it when it doesn't.

Whatever

Hawkeye15
08-29-2011, 03:52 PM
KOBE'S HAS TAKEN 19 SHOTS PER GAME THROUGH HIS CAREER. AND AVERAGED 5 ASSIST

JORDAN HAS TAKEN 23 SHOTS PER GAME THROUGH HIS CAREER. AND AVERAGED 5 ASSIST.


JORDAN MUST BE A BALLHOG TOO RIGHT! :facepalm:

Jordan took 49 shots a game(OT). Jordan was 27-49 from the field and 9-11 from the line, scoring 64 points. He had 6 rebounds and 1 assist. He played 47 minutes in that game...the Magic defeated the Bulls 128-124 in OT. The game was at Chicago on January 16, 1993.

well, Kobe's ball hogging has many times taken his team down with him when he isn't hitting. Jordan rarely ever did that. Shoot, Kobe has played around 30 more playoff games than Jordan ever did, and MJ still has him in win shares 39-26.

I get what you are saying however. Jordan was a ball hog. But his refusal to stop shooting never hurt his team. It actually helped it because he was more efficient than Kobe.

shep33
08-29-2011, 04:14 PM
obviously true. Hell, if they would have aligned the Wolves right, their franchise history might be completely different, because the KG era would have been smack in the middle of the east sucks era

Very true, KG in his prime was outstanding.

Hawkeye15
08-29-2011, 05:29 PM
Very true, KG in his prime was outstanding.

I guess what I meant was, the Wolves from 2000-2007 would have been a #2-3 seed constantly out east, and Kobe playing with Mihm, Smush, and the rest of the crap would have won 42-48 games out east and been in the playoffs easily

But yeah, what if's will just make a person mad haha

shep33
08-29-2011, 05:52 PM
I guess what I meant was, the Wolves from 2000-2007 would have been a #2-3 seed constantly out east, and Kobe playing with Mihm, Smush, and the rest of the crap would have won 42-48 games out east and been in the playoffs easily

But yeah, what if's will just make a person mad haha

I agree, the Wolves would've been title contenders out east pretty much every year with a prime KG. Outside of Kobe's worst year in 2004, where the Lakers missed the playoffs, those Kobe-led Laker teams won 42 and 45 games, so I think they would've gotten to 50 atleast 1 of those years.

But your right... what if's are pointless lol

nickdymez
08-30-2011, 01:14 AM
I see you are using the roster argument here. While I am not disagreeing with you, its funny how you use it when it benefits you, and refuse to acknowledge it when it doesn't.

Whatever

Wait what?

hard_candy
08-30-2011, 04:58 AM
Pippen would have been an average NBA player if he hadn't played with Jordan.

Shaq opens up the floor for his guards due to constant doubles.

In other words, Shaq benefited Kobe much more than Kobe benefited Shaq.



MJ has zero rings without Pippin

Shaq has zero rings without an all nba guard...

Your point?

hard_candy
08-30-2011, 04:59 AM
Please stop talking out of your ***.


well, Kobe's ball hogging has many times taken his team down with him when he isn't hitting. Jordan rarely ever did that. Shoot, Kobe has played around 30 more playoff games than Jordan ever did, and MJ still has him in win shares 39-26.

I get what you are saying however. Jordan was a ball hog. But his refusal to stop shooting never hurt his team. It actually helped it because he was more efficient than Kobe.

hard_candy
08-30-2011, 05:04 AM
Absolutely: LeBron is much faster point to point and has a superior vertical, is much stronger as well as taller. There are numerous players who are physically superior, taller, stronger, faster, bigger hands.

TMac, Vince, and KG come to mind immediately. But those guys weren't as driven, weren't as committed and were/are not as competitive.

Kobe outworked just about every peer in his era.


there may be faster players, more athletic players, better shooters than Kobe, in this generations superstars, but you always know that there is something missing in these guys that Kobe has.

PennyMy#1
08-30-2011, 07:17 AM
Number 32) is really crazy !

3mikee_
08-30-2011, 10:42 AM
Wow never knew he scored 60 points 5 times... Only recall twice, the Dallas one and the Raptors one..

The #8/#24 stats are interesting but they took up too many categories lol should've just put all those in 1 or 2 lines

tbone2171
08-30-2011, 11:12 AM
Absolutely: LeBron is much faster point to point and has a superior vertical, is much stronger as well as taller. There are numerous players who are physically superior, taller, stronger, faster, bigger hands.

TMac, Vince, and KG come to mind immediately. But those guys weren't as driven, weren't as committed and were/are not as competitive.

Kobe outworked just about every peer in his era.

KG isn't driven???

tbone2171
08-30-2011, 11:14 AM
34) Kobe Bryant once walked on water
35) Kobe Bryant turned water into wine

Hawkeye15
08-30-2011, 01:18 PM
Please stop talking out of your ***.

excuse me? Jordan was a ball hog, but it didn't have a negative effect on his team. The term ball hog isn't always a negative one dude

CowboysKB24
08-30-2011, 03:29 PM
We don't hate Kobe because of his game. We hate him because of his fans.

:clap:

Great post.

nickdymez
08-30-2011, 11:41 PM
:clap:

Great post.

I know your not serious Cowboy fan..

hard_candy
08-31-2011, 01:48 AM
KG isn't driven???

Reading comprehension fail.

hard_candy
08-31-2011, 01:51 AM
excuse me? Jordan was a ball hog, but it didn't have a negative effect on his team. The term ball hog isn't always a negative one dude

Jordan spent very little time handling the basketball; Pippen was the primary distributor.

Like I said, people talk out of their *** all of the time.

MTar786
08-31-2011, 05:43 AM
Jordan spent very little time handling the basketball; Pippen was the primary distributor.

Like I said, people talk out of their *** all of the time.

i think he's referring to jordans field goal attempts. Dont play dumb and act like you didnt know thats what he meant :facepalm:

Hawkeye15
08-31-2011, 09:31 AM
Jordan spent very little time handling the basketball; Pippen was the primary distributor.

Like I said, people talk out of their *** all of the time.

before the Bulls ran the triangle (which doesn't have a primary ball handler once initiated really), Jordan had the ball in his hands all the time.

I agree people talk out of their ***, but I am not sure what spurned you to claim I am doing so.