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Converged
08-23-2011, 03:09 PM
Holy crap!

Converged
08-23-2011, 03:10 PM
Screwed up title lol

Aaron Hill and J.Macdonald for Kelly Johnson

as per Twitter

North Yorker
08-23-2011, 03:11 PM
WOW!

I like that deal. Johnson has good power for a 2B

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 03:12 PM
AMAZING !!!!!!!! im sad that we traded john mcdonald though it makes me want to cry :( but aaron hill gone puts that smile RIGHT BACK ON MY FACE !!!

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 03:12 PM
kelly johnson probably won't be re signed in the offseason

Dol-Fan
08-23-2011, 03:12 PM
Mlbtr


the diamondbacks acquired second baseman aaron hill and shortstop john mcdonald from the blue jays for kelly johnson, tweets john gambadoro sports 620 ktar.

Converged
08-23-2011, 03:12 PM
AMAZING !!!!!!!! im sad that we traded john mcdonald though it makes me want to cry :( but aaron hill gone puts that smile RIGHT BACK ON MY FACE !!!

My thoughts exactly!

McCoy going to be replacing J.Mac as our new utility? Permanent stay for him maybe?

ILDD
08-23-2011, 03:13 PM
Kelly Johnson is a decent 2B but he's a free agent at the end of the year no? Has AA already worked out an extension for him?

But most of all, good luck J Mac - gave 100% every day, fantastic person and a credit to whoever employs him.

Dol-Fan
08-23-2011, 03:13 PM
Awesome!! I hope Johnson is re-signed for something reasonable...I'm so happy that I don't have to watch Hill's sorry *** walk to the plate anymore this season :D

Why would AZ do this in the middle of a pennant race, though? They must have a lot of confidence that Hill will turn things around.

Toxeryll
08-23-2011, 03:14 PM
wow just wow, AA!!

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 03:14 PM
great deal another brilliant plan from AA trade hill for kelly johnson and just let him walk in the offseason for some draft picks

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 03:16 PM
johnson is a good second basemen but i really hope hes not part of the future i think AA is looking for people he can hit for a higher average and kelly is just hittin 209 this year

North Yorker
08-23-2011, 03:17 PM
My guess is that we re-sign JMac in the offseason too. He's a FA iirc..

Pride
08-23-2011, 03:17 PM
Wasn't Hill going to be a type B? I believe Johnson is also a type B as well. So I believe he has the intention of resigning Johnson rather than go for the draft picks.

Twitchy
08-23-2011, 03:18 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/Gambo620/statuses/106077636152918016


The Diamondbacks have traded 2b Kelly Johnson to Toronto for 2b Aaron Hill and SS John McDonald.

The Jays lineup is bonkers right now. I'd take my chances on KJ over Aaron Hill.

Definitely was not expecting this.

And for the record, no, the Jays wouldn't have got a pick because Hill would have accepted arb.

darth helmet
08-23-2011, 03:18 PM
All 3 are FAs at the end of the season. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing AA bring back JMac next season and signing Johnston to an extension.

Toxeryll
08-23-2011, 03:18 PM
isnt johnson a type A FA?

North Yorker
08-23-2011, 03:18 PM
Wasn't Hill going to be a type B? I believe Johnson is also a type B as well. So I believe he has the intention of resigning Johnson rather than go for the draft picks.

Hill would've accepted arbitration so we wouldnt have gotten a pick. Now we either re-sign Johnson or get a pick. win-win

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 03:19 PM
does anybody know where the press conference can be seen ?

KaiserSose
08-23-2011, 03:20 PM
Hill would've accepted arbitration so we wouldnt have gotten a pick. Now we either re-sign Johnson or get a pick. win-win

.

jrice9
08-23-2011, 03:20 PM
Good addition.

Johnson is a better hitter than he currently is and most of his advanced stats are the same but his BABIP is low. i wouldnt expect his last year performance but if he reverses his K rate a bit he should be an above average second baseman

Goalie31
08-23-2011, 03:21 PM
Devestated to see Johnny Mac gone. Lets hope Kellys bat picks up
Jays baby

wagnall
08-23-2011, 03:21 PM
I'm happy for McD he may just see the playoffs this year. As for Hill thanks for the great year[s] you gave us. I hope we will resign McD for next year. We really need a guy like him to cover the infield. McCoy to me is not McD.

Bob_at_york
08-23-2011, 03:21 PM
I like Aaron and JMac but I guess it was time. Hopeful Johnson shows he can out perform Hill.

KaiserSose
08-23-2011, 03:21 PM
isnt johnson a type A FA?

Wilnerness590 Mike Wilner
If true, #Bluejays trade their two most senior players, get a 6-week look at KJ, who will be Type B free agent this winter. #jays

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 03:22 PM
Yes please

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 03:24 PM
Try to remember that Mac's about a month shy of his 37th birthday. Great guy and all, but there really is no tangible effect from losing him. Plus, we (likely) get to root for him in the playoffs!

KaiserSose
08-23-2011, 03:24 PM
KJ was signed for 5.85M this season

PJ Awesome
08-23-2011, 03:25 PM
I for one am EXTREMELY sad we traded McDonald. But Hill was disappointing me ALOT this year..lets see where this gets us. Johnny Mac will be missed, that's for sure

KaiserSose
08-23-2011, 03:26 PM
I for one am EXTREMELY sad we traded McDonald. But Hill was disappointing me ALOT this year..lets see where this gets us. Johnny Mac will be missed, that's for sure

It's not that sad. Gives him a remote chance at a WS and he's a FA so he can come back if he wishes.

MCRIZZ
08-23-2011, 03:27 PM
Where do you see the press conference? what channel?

damadmonk
08-23-2011, 03:27 PM
I wonder who is taking the open spot on the active roster.

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 03:28 PM
How ****ed up is it that the D-Backs might very well be playing October baseball with a right side of the infield of Aaron Hill and Lyle freakin' Overbay. Good ole' NL ball.

wagnall
08-23-2011, 03:29 PM
Well we added another lefty bat for the rest of the year anyways.

Jays Claw
08-23-2011, 03:30 PM
I wonder who is taking the open spot on the active roster.

Bring up Snider!

Dol-Fan
08-23-2011, 03:31 PM
How ****ed up is it that the D-Backs might very well be playing October baseball with a right side of the infield of Aaron Hill and Lyle freakin' Overbay. Good ole' NL ball.

:laugh2:

I suppose it helps to have Justin Upton and solid pitching.

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 03:32 PM
wandy rodriguez claimed on waivers by a unkown team ... hmmmm jays maybe ?? lol

mtf
08-23-2011, 03:32 PM
Man, listening to radio callers about this trade is mind-numbing.

"How can AA trade Johnny Mac, the fans identify with him and love him"

Seriously? I didn't know AA was supposed to be building a best friends club instead of a world series championship. It's especially prevalent among old-timers.

KaiserSose
08-23-2011, 03:33 PM
Just for interests sake, here is an article from June re: KJ's lefty/right splits

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dont-bring-in-the-lefty-for-kelly-johnson/

TO Rapz
08-23-2011, 03:34 PM
Somethings going down, AA PC at 3:30

Kelly Gruber
08-23-2011, 03:34 PM
Great deal as far as I'm concerned. Either re-sign Johnson and take care of 2B for a couple years, or get a pick. With Hill we would have gotten nothing and had to watch him bat the rest of the year. J-Mac is a decent bench player, but I don't share the same love for utility players as others apparently. Besides, he could be back anyway.

Pretty solid line-up headed out there for the rest of the season. Another good move for AA, and happy for Hill and JMac to get a shot in the stretch...

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 03:35 PM
Man, listening to radio callers about this trade is mind-numbing.

"How can AA trade Johnny Mac, the fans identify with him and love him"

Seriously? I didn't know AA was supposed to be building a best friends club instead of a world series championship. It's especially prevalent among old-timers.

:laugh2: Yeah I kinda wanna bang my head against the wall listening to this. Still, not unpredictable reactions to be honest.

PJ Awesome
08-23-2011, 03:35 PM
how the **** can i listen.........

Dol-Fan
08-23-2011, 03:36 PM
Man, listening to radio callers about this trade is mind-numbing.

"How can AA trade Johnny Mac, the fans identify with him and love him"

Seriously? I didn't know AA was supposed to be building a best friends club instead of a world series championship. It's especially prevalent among old-timers.

oh, Toronto fans. The only place where devestation sets in upon the departures of Morris Peterson, John McDonald, Tie Domi, Darcy Tucker and Pape Sow.

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 03:38 PM
press conference about to be held on bluejays.com right now

Twitchy
08-23-2011, 03:38 PM
I loved the guy who was like "Well, they're a playoff team, and they want Aaron Hill, so what does that tell you?".

It tells me that Arizona's GM should be banned for taking illegal substances. Because you'd have to be high to see the value in Hill.

PJ Awesome
08-23-2011, 03:38 PM
john looks upset :/

BlueJaysFan
08-23-2011, 03:38 PM
The guys look so upset... :(

damadmonk
08-23-2011, 03:38 PM
Where do you see the press conference? what channel?

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=6261176

town123
08-23-2011, 03:39 PM
oh, Toronto fans. The only place where devestation sets in upon the departures of Morris Peterson, John McDonald, Tie Domi, Darcy Tucker and Pape Sow.

Pap Sow is gone? I'll never set foot in Toronto again!

BlueJaysFan
08-23-2011, 03:39 PM
Thread is lagging

Bob_at_york
08-23-2011, 03:39 PM
so I guess McCoy starts at 2nd tonight

TO Rapz
08-23-2011, 03:39 PM
WEhere do i get the ****ing link for the PC????????????

Farsight
08-23-2011, 03:39 PM
I like this trade. Kelly Johnson will hopefully rebound next season (if we keep him).

Would be nice to get a stat line of
avg-260, obp-340, slg-420, HR-20

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 03:40 PM
How AA convinces a GM that the second to worst 2B in the game is going to help them get to the playoffs is beyond me.

And within 10 seconds Mac mentions reupping with the Jays next year. He'll be back if AA wants him.

TO Rapz
08-23-2011, 03:40 PM
it hasnt begun yet :confused:

bomber0104
08-23-2011, 03:40 PM
well that came out of ****ing no where but I love this deal.. I think I speak for everyone when I say that Hill's time here was done. I dont think there was a chance that AA brings him back. AA is not a guy that settles for mediocrity (or even worse in this case) and he was gonna go out and upgreade 2B no matter what.

At this point, Johnson has more power, can take a walk and has a better chance of gettting back to form.

Sadds The Gr8
08-23-2011, 03:40 PM
sucks to see Mac go but at least Hill is gone. Don't know much about this Johnson guy but hopefully he's better than Hill.

Farsight
08-23-2011, 03:40 PM
sign, i honestly hope we resign johnny mac in the offseason

BlueJaysFan
08-23-2011, 03:40 PM
As much as Aaron hill sucks, I think it will be weird seeing him in a different jersey. Gonna miss John so much. Hope he can come back in the offseason.

BlueJaysFan
08-23-2011, 03:42 PM
John looks like he's about to cry:(

PJ Awesome
08-23-2011, 03:43 PM
Hmm so we lose a player whose BEYOND a fan favourite, and a second baseman for another second baseman whose stats almost mirror Hills. .209 average, only more home runs.....yay

town123
08-23-2011, 03:43 PM
Johnny Mac just seems like he will end up being the next Butterfield in the organization.

jrice9
08-23-2011, 03:43 PM
Kelly Johnson is a great bottom 1/3 hitter if he can revert at all to his career norms. We arent looking at him for him to hit 5 or 2. We got Jose, Escobar, Lawrie, Rasmus, Lind (most likely) and possible Encarncion/Free Agent or Thames/Snider for primary roles roles. Johnson will hit in the 7 or 8 hole and do a great job of it

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 03:44 PM
What the hell, Jerolman up? Weird.

TO Rapz
08-23-2011, 03:44 PM
jesus ****ing christ, am i the only one who hasnt gotten the pc yet

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 03:44 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/LottOnBaseball/status/106087616654483457

Jays confirm trade: Johnson coming to Toronto, Hill and JMac to AZ. Jeroloman called up.

DaoudS
08-23-2011, 03:44 PM
AA is a genius. Mac was a clubhouse glue guy, but if was able to shed Hill for a type B free agent he had to make the deal. He will be back with you guys next year.

bomber0104
08-23-2011, 03:45 PM
Johnson being a lefty is a great bonus imo

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 03:45 PM
when the **** is this press conference gonna start

PJ Awesome
08-23-2011, 03:45 PM
dont like this trade at all..honestly..**** this

KaiserSose
08-23-2011, 03:46 PM
Just in case you guys hahevnt heard.

@Ken_Rosenthal
Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #Rockies awarded claim on Wandy. Talks ongoing. Will be outcome by 1 p.m. ET Thursday. #Astros #MLB

bomber0104
08-23-2011, 03:46 PM
AA is a genius. Mac was a clubhouse glue guy, but if was able to shed Hill for a type B free agent he had to make the deal. He will be back with you guys next year.

exactly.. there is a greater chance that Kelly is offered arbitration than Hill considering he had a great year last year while Hill hasn't done **** in 2 years

damadmonk
08-23-2011, 03:46 PM
jesus ****ing christ, am i the only one who hasnt gotten the pc yet

Not yet either... u on rogers? I'm not :(

Kelly Gruber
08-23-2011, 03:46 PM
Hmm so we lose a player whose BEYOND a fan favourite, and a second baseman for another second baseman whose stats almost mirror Hills. .209 average, only more home runs.....yay

Jays weren't going to offer Hill arbitration, so no pick. With Johnson they'll at least get a pick if they don't bring him back. Johnson's peripheral stats show he could rebound. Better bet than Hill.

Not sure why some people are so in love with MacDonald. Scrappy little player, lots of heart. He's slow, makes everything look harded than it is. I like him too, but he's not the type of player you hold up a deal like this for.

PJ Awesome
08-23-2011, 03:46 PM
Why did we call up brian jerolomen!?

bomber0104
08-23-2011, 03:47 PM
dont like this trade at all..honestly..**** this

what don't u like about it and don't tell me losing Macdonald because he is a filler and chances are he comes back

TO Rapz
08-23-2011, 03:47 PM
**** this man i get so pissed when i cant watch live ****. :(

TO Rapz
08-23-2011, 03:47 PM
yes for ****s sake, finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

damadmonk
08-23-2011, 03:48 PM
Why did we call up brian jerolomen!?

To give him a chance to see if he can be the 2012 backup catcher. AA wants his type B draft pick if Molina hits it.

Dol-Fan
08-23-2011, 03:48 PM
dont like this trade at all..honestly..**** this

So wait...you hate this because John McDonald was a fan favourite and Johnson's average is similar to Hill's? Oh boy...

PJ Awesome
08-23-2011, 03:48 PM
i hate it because i dont have mich faith in Johnson and Hill was a home brewn player, always rooted for him. And yes of course the Johnny Mac thing comes into it as well

T.O. Fan
08-23-2011, 03:49 PM
Anyone know Johnsons current estimated Elias ranking?

I'm assuming he's a B or close to it.

T.O. Fan
08-23-2011, 03:49 PM
Hill needed a change of scenary.

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 03:49 PM
wow i finally got it

Bob_at_york
08-23-2011, 03:50 PM
for people who are missing the press conference, you can listen to it on FAN590 (online or actual radio)

ghost dog
08-23-2011, 03:50 PM
how the **** can i listen.........

jays site

TO Rapz
08-23-2011, 03:50 PM
im gona miss john and aaron , they re both really good guys though. :(

Dol-Fan
08-23-2011, 03:50 PM
i hate it because i dont have mich faith in Johnson and Hill was a home brewn player, always rooted for him. And yes of course the Johnny Mac thing comes into it as well

So...have you even like, researched Kelly Johnson at all? You know, to figure out if he's an upgrade from Aaron Hill?

Hint: He is (and it's pretty significant)

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 03:51 PM
Jays weren't going to offer Hill arbitration, so no pick. With Johnson they'll at least get a pick if they don't bring him back. Johnson's peripheral stats show he could rebound. Better bet than Hill.

Not sure why some people are so in love with MacDonald. Scrappy little player, lots of heart. He's slow, makes everything look harded than it is. I like him too, but he's not the type of player you hold up a deal like this for.

He has great hands but honestly I always thought his defense was incredibly overrated. Still, I definitely see why he's a fan favorite, great guy and lots of fun to root for. Hopefully we get to pull for him in the playoffs this year.

ghost dog
08-23-2011, 03:51 PM
Jmac in the playoffs. Good luck gonna miss you

BlueJaysFan
08-23-2011, 03:51 PM
Once again AA brings in a guy who's having a bad year and gives them a crap awful player

PJ Awesome
08-23-2011, 03:52 PM
yes i have. But you're missing the ppint. As I said, I'm upset because I loved Mac and Hill was a home grown player who I've watched play ever since his first at bat. I'm gonna miss em.

TO Rapz
08-23-2011, 03:52 PM
why would you ask that im gona miss them so much :(

KaiserSose
08-23-2011, 03:52 PM
Wilnerness590 Mike Wilner
AA: Mac asked to be moved to a playoff team if possible so he could experience it and so he could bring that exp. back to #bluejays. #jays
2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 03:52 PM
I like the trade don't really like johnson as the second basemen of the future tho but i prefer him then hill

TO Rapz
08-23-2011, 03:52 PM
the fathers day home run :cry:

TO Rapz
08-23-2011, 03:53 PM
j macs coming back <333333333

Jays Claw
08-23-2011, 03:54 PM
McDonald - "My time in Toronto isn't over yet."

Gotta' love the guy.

TO Rapz
08-23-2011, 03:55 PM
99% sure that AA hasnt showered.

wagnall
08-23-2011, 03:55 PM
I don't think he's here to stay. We all seem to hope he bounces back next year? Wasn't that the same thoughts we had about Hill this season. Not convinced he will bounce back either.
But not complaining, IF we want Jmac back next season we will have him, and let Arizona worry about Hills next contract. I imagine the CO's go with him to Dbacks.
Like having another Lefty in line up.

PJ Awesome
08-23-2011, 03:55 PM
lol why^

BlueJaysFan
08-23-2011, 03:55 PM
Aaron Hill cracks his neck alot

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 03:56 PM
Hill: This team will win. Whether I'm part of it or not. It's a special place. We play not only for city, but whole country
http://twitter.com/#!/Wilnerness590/status/106091302080348161

Cool quote.

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 03:57 PM
wow I barely got to watch this press conference

3mikee_
08-23-2011, 03:57 PM
Wish Johnny Mac comes back... please come back. Aaron Hill ...thank goodness he's gone... he's had a few good years but just couldn't live up to all the expectations or any sort of expectations for that matter. Love the trade... any chance the K johnson resigns next season? Or does that really depend on how he does this year?

PJ Awesome
08-23-2011, 03:57 PM
That AA/ Mac hug was somethin' else..goodbye guys, I except to see at least one of them back next year.

TOJAYS
08-23-2011, 03:58 PM
Great deal by AA once again. A change of scenery might help Hill and Johnson out. Sad to see jmac so but it looks like he asked to be traded.

Kaylon
08-23-2011, 03:58 PM
Freakin Amazing!!!! Kelly has some kind of Power but AA loves the supplemental draft picks so I think Johnson is gone at the end of the year or a 1 year deal IF they really don't plan on bringing up Adeiny Hechavarria

statquo
08-23-2011, 03:58 PM
For all the hate Hill gets, I remember him coming up when Corey Koskie got hurt years ago, and he played pretty good except these last two years.

So Johnson is a Jay for 6 weeks, then we'll let him go for draft picks, and we don't have a 2nd baseman next year?

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 03:59 PM
Jerolman callup makes more sense when you look at the 40 man roster. Everyone down in AAA needs everyday AB's, he's pretty much the only one we can afford to have up here getting just a couple at bats per week tops.

Goalie31
08-23-2011, 04:00 PM
It will be great to see Johnny Mac come back "My time as a Jay isnt over" coach or next season?

craigerlee
08-23-2011, 04:00 PM
I think its a great trade by AA in the sense that were pretty much guaranteed a comp pick now at the very least or an upgrade at 2B. I really think Hill needed a change of scenery and hopefully his new hitting coach will tell him that he's not a HR hitter and he can get his career back on track.

3mikee_
08-23-2011, 04:02 PM
I think its a great trade by AA in the sense that were pretty much guaranteed a comp pick now at the very least or an upgrade at 2B. I really think Hill needed a change of scenery and hopefully his new hitting coach will tell him that he's not a HR hitter and he can get his career back on track.

My thoughts exactly...that was Hill's problem... going for the fences way too often.

His 36 HR season i think basically ruined his career.

AA is amazing...

B2B
08-23-2011, 04:03 PM
I don't think he's here to stay. We all seem to hope he bounces back next year? Wasn't that the same thoughts we had about Hill this season. Not convinced he will bounce back either.
But not complaining, IF we want Jmac back next season we will have him, and let Arizona worry about Hills next contract. I imagine the CO's go with him to Dbacks.
Like having another Lefty in line up.

I don't think so either, a poster asked about the Elias ranking on Johnson, it was mentioned on mltr that in the NL he was type B but it's possible in the AL under the Elias ranking he could be, type A.

It's my guess, this move could be a precursor to type A compensation & Reyes.

jrice9
08-23-2011, 04:04 PM
People arent realizing something about this.

This deal significantly offsets the draft pick loss of bringing in a huge free agent like Fielder or Reyes or whoever. If you lose the first round pick you still have the extra supplemental pick meaning that getting Price would cost like 9 draft spots and the cash vs purely a first round pick

KaiserSose
08-23-2011, 04:07 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/jays-ship-hill-to-arizona-for-kelly-johnson/

craigerlee
08-23-2011, 04:09 PM
I don't think so either, a poster asked about the Elias ranking on Johnson, it was mentioned on mltr that in the NL he was type B but it's possible in the AL under the Elias ranking he could be, type A.

It's my guess, this move could be a precursor to type A compensation & Reyes.

Does it matter what league your in? I thought you were type A if you were in the top 20% at your position and type B if you were 21-41% based on the entire league. I thought they just split it up by league on MLBTR so its easier to find players.

wagnall
08-23-2011, 04:09 PM
People arent realizing something about this.

This deal significantly offsets the draft pick loss of bringing in a huge free agent like Fielder or Reyes or whoever. If you lose the first round pick you still have the extra supplemental pick meaning that getting Price would cost like 9 draft spots and the cash vs purely a first round pick

Never even thought of that:)

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 04:11 PM
exactly why would people hope kelly johnson bounces back we had the same situation in hill so i hope we don't re-sign johnson because i don't want to see kelly johnson struggle in 2012 and then hope for him to turn things around then we'd be in the same situation before the trade so it would pretty much be a useless trade i rather take the safe route and get the draft picks and give a chance to adeiny to play second or sign/trade for another second basemen

Goalie31
08-23-2011, 04:13 PM
AA is always a few steps ahead. Johnsons not the futre, but the pick is.

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 04:13 PM
Didn't Anthopolous want KJ since last year? Just a hunch, but I think this is about more than just a draft pick. The Rasmus trade made it pretty clear the focus has shifted to the now, and right now Johnson is the best realistically available second baseman (of course that's assuming AA doesn't do his thing and send Francisco for Utley or something).

Nick O
08-23-2011, 04:13 PM
wow ........ its a good trade but it leaves me feeling hollow O.O ...... losing jonny makes me almost want to cry :(

Bearclaw
08-23-2011, 04:14 PM
anyone have a recording of the PC? WHere can I see or listen to it?

Bearclaw
08-23-2011, 04:14 PM
wow ........ its a good trade but it leaves me feeling hollow O.O ...... losing jonny makes me almost want to cry :(

JMac is coming back, don't worry.

masTOR_shake1
08-23-2011, 04:14 PM
i like it for the picks, hope hill turns it around but there are a lot of bright spots about this deal. more draft picks = possible big free agent signing :) i don't think johnson will be the 2b of the future but who knows?

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 04:15 PM
People arent realizing something about this.

This deal significantly offsets the draft pick loss of bringing in a huge free agent like Fielder or Reyes or whoever. If you lose the first round pick you still have the extra supplemental pick meaning that getting Price would cost like 9 draft spots and the cash vs purely a first round pick

ye thats what I'm thinking hopefully this is what happens 2012 is the year for us !!!

B2B
08-23-2011, 04:15 PM
Does it matter what league your in? I thought you were type A if you were in the top 20% at your position and type B if you were 21-41% based on the entire league. I thought they just split it up by league on MLBTR so its easier to find players.

Personally I don't know enough about baseball to say, I read the comment on MLBTR.

Nick O
08-23-2011, 04:15 PM
JMac is coming back, don't worry.

how do you know??? i really hope so

Goalie31
08-23-2011, 04:16 PM
"•McDonald asked to be moved to a playoff team if possible so he could experience it and so he could bring that experience back to the Blue Jays.
"

interesting little piece form the PC

Bearclaw
08-23-2011, 04:17 PM
how do you know??? i really hope so

Read some of the earlier comments. From the PC he also said his time in Toronto is not done.

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 04:17 PM
exactly why would people hope kelly johnson bounces back we had the same situation in hill so i hope we don't re-sign johnson because i don't want to see kelly johnson struggle in 2012 and then hope for him to turn things around then we'd be in the same situation before the trade so it would pretty much be a useless trade i rather take the safe route and get the draft picks and give a chance to adeiny to play second or sign/trade for another second basemen

Johnson walks. Hill doesn't. Johnson hits for power. Hill doesn't (not anymore at least). Johnson is a year removed from an elite 6-win season. Hill's been worth less than a single win in the past two seasons combined. Without going any deeper, Johnson is far, far more likely to turn things back around than Hill is. Toss in the draft pick safety net and the fact that the Jays save $1M by not having to buyout Hill's options and this deal is an absolute no brainer.

Nick O
08-23-2011, 04:17 PM
Read some of the earlier comments. From the PC he also said his time in Toronto is not done.

:)

Bob_at_york
08-23-2011, 04:18 PM
so now that Hill is gone who is going to be everyone's new whipping boy? JPA? Thames? Or maybe Kelly Johnson?

BlueJaysFan
08-23-2011, 04:19 PM
so now that Hill is gone who is going to be everyone's new whipping boy? JPA? Thames? Or maybe Kelly Johnson?

Depends who starts sucking the most

The_Jet11
08-23-2011, 04:19 PM
The press conference certainly illustrated the mutual respect between today's traded players (Hill, Macdonald) and Anthopolous. Both players expressed an interest in returning to the organization in the off-season, and as much as i Doubt they'll be back (Hill especially), there is an interesting situation ahead. This trade seems to have a few people puzzled from a purely Baseball perspective, and I suspect that draft picks are a large part of what enticed both organizations to swing the deal.

I think this trade is going to benefit the jays most for the draft picks that Johnson brings when he walks. If AA then brings back Hill, it would essentially be like getting a free compensation pick. We've seen the Olivo move last year, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see something like this happen.

I know i'm going out on a limb here, but wouldn't it be sweet to get a 1st round comp pick, then re-sign hill for half of what he was supposed to get, as opposed to losing him for no pick or risking that he'd accept arbitration?

This is a can't lose situation, even though Johnny Mac will be missed.

Dol-Fan
08-23-2011, 04:20 PM
so now that Hill is gone who is going to be everyone's new whipping boy? JPA? Thames? Or maybe Kelly Johnson?

I'm just gonna stick with Jon Rauch :shrug:

Dol-Fan
08-23-2011, 04:22 PM
Didn't Anthopolous want KJ since last year? Just a hunch, but I think this is about more than just a draft pick. The Rasmus trade made it pretty clear the focus has shifted to the now, and right now Johnson is the best realistically available second baseman (of course that's assuming AA doesn't do his thing and send Francisco for Utley or something).

This is what I've been thinking. Everyone is so caught up in the draft pick that they forget that Johnson is a significant upgrade at 2B and potentially the best available player at that position. Further - why are the chances of Johnson declining arb so much greater than Hill? They may be marginally greater, but in no way is it a foregone conclusion that Johnson would decline arb.

Bob_at_york
08-23-2011, 04:22 PM
I'm just gonna stick with Jon Rauch :shrug:

I was thinking only about the hitters. I am aware that there are a lot of targets in the bullpen.

TRIUMPHATOR
08-23-2011, 04:23 PM
so now that Hill is gone who is going to be everyone's new whipping boy? JPA? Thames? Or maybe Kelly Johnson?

Hopefully we're getting close to the point where there is no whipping boy. Isn't that the point of building a WS winning team? Anybody remember who was the whipping boy in '92 or '93?

Dol-Fan
08-23-2011, 04:23 PM
I was thinking only about the hitters. I am aware that there are a lot of targets in the bullpen.

Ah, I didn't realize there were rules to this game. In that case, I choose Adam Lind.

TO Rapz
08-23-2011, 04:23 PM
Depends who starts sucking the most

Yeah. Just depends on who sucks now. I d think logically it d be JPA if he doesnt pick it up and the rants for D'Arnaud.

B2B
08-23-2011, 04:24 PM
exactly why would people hope kelly johnson bounces back we had the same situation in hill so i hope we don't re-sign johnson because i don't want to see kelly johnson struggle in 2012 and then hope for him to turn things around then we'd be in the same situation before the trade so it would pretty much be a useless trade i rather take the safe route and get the draft picks and give a chance to adeiny to play second or sign/trade for another second basemen

The Toronto Blue Jays contacted the Mets in spring training to find out their plans regarding several of their players, including Reyes, Toronto’s general manager, made only exploratory contact and that no trade proposals were made.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/sp...2&ref=baseball

Reyes can fill 2nd base & switch hit leading off, problem is concern with injuries but as I know anything can happen regardless of history. Reyes IMO is a good option to make this team dangerous.

Resign McDonald for insurance in case of injuries,

When healthy Reyes leads off, if on the DL, Mc'Donald could be the defensive 9 hole replacement.

BlueJaysFan
08-23-2011, 04:24 PM
Ah, I didn't realize there were rules to this game. In that case, I choose Adam Lind.

This

Bob_at_york
08-23-2011, 04:25 PM
Hopefully we're getting close to the point where there is no whipping boy. Isn't that the point of building a WS winning team? Anybody remember who was the whipping boy in '92 or '93?

I would like to think that but sadly, I don't think that is possible anymore. Some people just need someone to rip on. It makes no sense to me but it is the reality.

Oh and to answer your question, I don't remember that far back but maybe Ed Sprague or Manny Lee.

TO Rapz
08-23-2011, 04:25 PM
Lind too. I would of just gone BP but we have to go hitter, so yeah Lind.

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 04:26 PM
Which begs the obvious question, why would we possible want Hill back? Long story short, he stinks.

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 04:27 PM
Johnson walks. Hill doesn't. Johnson hits for power. Hill doesn't (not anymore at least). Johnson is a year removed from an elite 6-win season. Hill's been worth less than a single win in the past two seasons combined. Without going any deeper, Johnson is far, far more likely to turn things back around than Hill is. Toss in the draft pick safety net and the fact that the Jays save $1M by not having to buyout Hill's options and this deal is an absolute no brainer.

johnson has only had 1 20 homerun season while hill has two so i don't see how he has more power then hill he takes walks but he also strikes out a whole bunch .. and how are we so sure kelly johson has a better chance of turning things around ?? i think i prefer the draft pick

Dol-Fan
08-23-2011, 04:31 PM
johnson has only had 1 20 homerun season while hill has two so i don't see how he has more power then hill he takes walks but he also strikes out a whole bunch .. and how are we so sure kelly johson has a better chance of turning things around ?? i think i prefer the draft pick

...sometimes I wonder why I even reply to such nonsense.

18 HR for Johnson this year, 6 for Hill
career ISO Johnson .182, Hill .149

Hill has only had one season over .200 ISO, Johnson has 2 (the last two seasons). The fact that Johnson's best power numbers have come the last two seasons makes me believe that he's not damaged goods like Aaron Hill is. I'm sure I could elaborate on this a little more, but honestly, I don't feel the need to.

bomber0104
08-23-2011, 04:32 PM
For all the hate Hill gets, I remember him coming up when Corey Koskie got hurt years ago, and he played pretty good except these last two years.

So Johnson is a Jay for 6 weeks, then we'll let him go for draft picks, and we don't have a 2nd baseman next year?

well we didn't have one with Hill either

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 04:32 PM
kelly johnson is certainly a upgrade but not that much of a upgrade

B2B
08-23-2011, 04:34 PM
johnson has only had 1 20 homerun season while hill has two so i don't see how he has more power then hill he takes walks but he also strikes out a whole bunch .. and how are we so sure kelly johson has a better chance of turning things around ?? i think i prefer the draft pick

Arizona fans were complaining about the frequency in which Johnson strikes out. Hill may have been popping out but atleast he made contact :D

TO Rapz
08-23-2011, 04:34 PM
Maybe we re bringing over a certain middle infielder from the Reds. :eyebrow:

bomber0104
08-23-2011, 04:34 PM
Johnson walks. Hill doesn't. Johnson hits for power. Hill doesn't (not anymore at least). Johnson is a year removed from an elite 6-win season. Hill's been worth less than a single win in the past two seasons combined. Without going any deeper, Johnson is far, far more likely to turn things back around than Hill is. Toss in the draft pick safety net and the fact that the Jays save $1M by not having to buyout Hill's options and this deal is an absolute no brainer.

That summarizes it quite nicely.. no further justification needed

TRIUMPHATOR
08-23-2011, 04:35 PM
Is anybody else multi-tasking and listening to the Fan as well? Some of these people really don't know a thing about our ball club -someone refered to Hech as hecharancebia.

Look guys this isn't a blockbuster by any stretch. Is it a good deal? Sure why not? I've always rooted for Hill and I loved JMac but he was always going to be a bench player in the AL East. Johnson is a bit of an upgrade in the short term. If he's here next year than we've moved sideways, if we get the pick and an all-star 2nd baseman via FA or trade then we're ahead.

Enough with the here and now, the future is around the corner, but not with a sentimental mentality.

wagnall
08-23-2011, 04:35 PM
If theres nobody to complain about the thread numbers would be cut in half. :cool:Always need to have someone:facepalm:

B2B
08-23-2011, 04:36 PM
That summarizes it quite nicely.. no further justification needed

Question is who fills the whole when/if he walks?.

I can't shake the feeling, it will be Reyes.

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 04:37 PM
...sometimes I wonder why I even reply to such nonsense.

18 HR for Johnson this year, 6 for Hill
career ISO Johnson .182, Hill .149

Hill has only had one season over .200 ISO, Johnson has 2 (the last two seasons). The fact that Johnson's best power numbers have come the last two seasons makes me believe that he's not damaged goods like Aaron Hill is. I'm sure I could elaborate on this a little more, but honestly, I don't feel the need to.

alright congrats on ur nerd statistics on which i don't care about.. but johnson is not that much of an upgrade over hill .. if hill comes back from his numbers from 09 and johnson comes back from his number in 2010 which second base men would u rather have ?? its not that hard of a question

Bigred91
08-23-2011, 04:37 PM
Awesome!! I hope Johnson is re-signed for something reasonable...I'm so happy that I don't have to watch Hill's sorry *** walk to the plate anymore this season :D

Why would AZ do this in the middle of a pennant race, though? They must have a lot of confidence that Hill will turn things around.

The sad thing is Hill is still batting 20 points better than Johnson. Yikes! How is it that people were pining for Johnson when he is worse than Hill?

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 04:39 PM
Is anybody else multi-tasking and listening to the Fan as well? Some of these people really don't know a thing about our ball club -someone refered to Hech as hecharancebia.

Look guys this isn't a blockbuster by any stretch. Is it a good deal? Sure why not? I've always rooted for Hill and I loved JMac but he was always going to be a bench player in the AL East. Johnson is a bit of an upgrade in the short term. If he's here next year than we've moved sideways, if we get the pick and an all-star 2nd baseman via FA or trade then we're ahead.

Enough with the here and now, the future is around the corner, but not with a sentimental mentality.

Yeah the last caller just said the Jays made it clear that Hech was gonna be up next month when the truth is the exact opposite. AA said about a week ago that he didn't expect him in the bigs till 2013.

B2B
08-23-2011, 04:39 PM
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lmallia
08-23-2011, 04:39 PM
Who would have thought Johnny Mac gets traded in a 3 person deal, and he has the best batting average.. haha.

Dol-Fan
08-23-2011, 04:39 PM
alright congrats on ur nerd statistics on which i don't care about.. but johnson is not that much of an upgrade over hill .. if hill comes back from his numbers from 09 and johnson comes back from his number in 2010 which second base men would u rather have ?? its not that hard of a question

ISO isn't a nerd statistic. It stands for isolated power which is just SLG - AVG. All it reflects is a player's total power numbers - how good they are at hitting for extra bases.

And you're right, it's not hard at all. I'd rather Johnson of 2010 100 times out of 100 over 2009 Aaron Hill.

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 04:40 PM
The sad thing is Hill is still batting 20 points better than Johnson. Yikes! How is it that people were pining for Johnson when he is worse than Hill?

In what world is a .699 OPS worse than a .584 mark?

supermatt1331
08-23-2011, 04:41 PM
The sad thing is Hill is still batting 20 points better than Johnson. Yikes! How is it that people were pining for Johnson when he is worse than Hill?

If you're using just batting average to judge a player's performance than you have a lot to learn about baseball.

craigerlee
08-23-2011, 04:41 PM
The sad thing is Hill is still batting 20 points better than Johnson. Yikes! How is it that people were pining for Johnson when he is worse than Hill?

I'll take the 17 points of extra OBP and the 99 points of extra slugging that KJ gives us over the 20 points of extra average Hill gives us.

Dol-Fan
08-23-2011, 04:41 PM
The sad thing is Hill is still batting 20 points better than Johnson. Yikes! How is it that people were pining for Johnson when he is worse than Hill?

So yeah, I guess we'll ignore the 115 point difference in OPS in the name of batting average!

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 04:42 PM
:laugh2:

town123
08-23-2011, 04:43 PM
Did AA really just trade Hill for the only second baseman in baseball with a worst average than Hill? Holy **** AA is an idiot. I don't get why guys praise AA so much. The Red Sox have a real second baseman, you know one that can hit .300 easily.

Well aren't you the lucky one. Now ****off.

Krylian
08-23-2011, 04:43 PM
Man, listening to radio callers about this trade is mind-numbing.

"How can AA trade Johnny Mac, the fans identify with him and love him"

Seriously? I didn't know AA was supposed to be building a best friends club instead of a world series championship. It's especially prevalent among old-timers.

Don't even get me started.

If it were up to me I wouldn't allow just anyone to become a fan...they'd have to pass a test first and prove they have a brain in their head.

Krylian
08-23-2011, 04:44 PM
Kelly Johnson blows, PERIOD. Nice .209 average, him and Arencibia will make a dynamic duo of Mendoza Line hitters.

WoooooooooHooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

Go Kelly Johnson!!!!!


Ahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D

Krylian
08-23-2011, 04:45 PM
It's a free country (well America is, don't know about Canada).

WoooooooHoooooooooooooo!!!!!

Go Kelly Johnson!!!!


Ahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!

AWESOME!!!!

:D

Krylian
08-23-2011, 04:46 PM
The sad thing is Hill is still batting 20 points better than Johnson. Yikes! How is it that people were pining for Johnson when he is worse than Hill?

If you knew about the nerd stats, you'd know that Johnson is far superior to Hill.

Bob_at_york
08-23-2011, 04:46 PM
Don't feed the trolls.


If theres nobody to complain about the thread numbers would be cut in half. :cool:Always need to have someone:facepalm:

I disagree, I don't know why we have to put unrealistic expectations on players and rip them when they don't meet the expectations.

Macedonian
08-23-2011, 04:47 PM
Season 2010 + Season 2011

Kelly Johnson 153 R, 256 H, 44 HR, 121 RBI, 123 BB, 26 SB, .247 AVG, .329 OBP
Aaron Hill 108 R, 197 H, 32 HR, 113 RBI, 64 BB, 18 SB, .215 AVG, .271 OBP
Well done AA!

Bluejay12_SVK
08-23-2011, 04:47 PM
great trade... AA is the man

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 04:48 PM
I wonder if we'll see KJ's BB numbers plummet upon his arrival too. Happened to Thames, happened to Snider, happened to Colby.

leafswin2011
08-23-2011, 04:48 PM
you probably dont know much about anything

TRIUMPHATOR
08-23-2011, 04:50 PM
[QUOTE=Bob_at_york;19002476]Don't feed the trolls.QUOTE]

He might not be a troll, and if thats true isn't it politically incorrect and socially unacceptable to allow people with "special needs" go hungry?

JMac4PM
08-23-2011, 04:50 PM
I am so bummed right now... I guess I'll hafta change my user name.

Does anybody think that Arizona will be starting McDonald over Hill? They're battling for a playoff spot and thats not a good time to be having a 2nd baseman trying to rebuild his swing.

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 04:50 PM
ISO isn't a nerd statistic. It stands for isolated power which is just SLG - AVG. All it reflects is a player's total power numbers - how good they are at hitting for extra bases.

And you're right, it's not hard at all. I'd rather Johnson of 2010 100 times out of 100 over 2009 Aaron Hill.

wow johnson 2010 over hill 09 ... ok i hate hill but u must hate him a whole lot !!!

town123
08-23-2011, 04:50 PM
I wonder if we'll see KJ's BB numbers plummet upon his arrival too. Happened to Thames, happened to Snider, happened to Colby.

If Murphy is gone next year, who would be your choice to take over?

Bob_at_york
08-23-2011, 04:51 PM
I am so bummed right now... I guess I'll hafta change my user name.

Does anybody think that Arizona will be starting McDonald over Hill? They're battling for a playoff spot and thats not a good time to be having a 2nd baseman trying to rebuild his swing.

They both could end up starting. Don't change your name, he will be back.

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 04:51 PM
Wilner just brought up another interesting angle. If KJ hit type A status in Arizona (or anywhere but Toronto) and AA really wanted him there's no way he'd have given up a first just to get him. Another reason I think we're looking at our second baseman for the forseeable future, not a month and a half draft pick rental.

Bob_at_york
08-23-2011, 04:52 PM
He might not be a troll, and if thats true isn't it politically incorrect and socially unacceptable to allow people with "special needs" go hungry?

We know who he is. We know he is a troll.

the_jon
08-23-2011, 04:52 PM
Whoa didn't see this coming. Good luck to John and Aaron, they both played their ***** off while they we're here.

Welcome aboard Kelly Johnson. :D

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 04:53 PM
If Murphy is gone next year, who would be your choice to take over?

No clue. Hitting coaches are largely just scapegoats but I know it would make a lot of people feel better to have someone who preaches the value of getting on base a bit more in that role.

Dol-Fan
08-23-2011, 04:53 PM
wow johnson 2010 over hill 09 ... ok i hate hill but u must hate him a whole lot !!!

Johnson's OBP was 40 points higher, OPS 36 points higher, 5.9 WAR to 4.1, better fielding from Johnson, more stolen bases. The only stat Hill had Johnson was home runs.

GNick
08-23-2011, 04:54 PM
Well we all know Anthopoulos has tried to get Kelly Johnson before. At least on one occasion I think two times. To me I see Johnson as our 2b for next 2-3 years. Sounds like Jays were saving a draft pick because doubt Hill would be offered arbitration and if they signed Johnson they would have to sacrifice their first round pick next year.

Johnson is a very streaky player who's value is an all-time low right now.

TRIUMPHATOR
08-23-2011, 04:54 PM
:rolleyes:Thnks.

LuckyLuke2
08-23-2011, 04:59 PM
Bring up Snider!

Ew no.

YSJJaysfan
08-23-2011, 05:00 PM
Is there any place to watch video of the news conference?

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 05:03 PM
Johnson's OBP was 40 points higher, OPS 36 points higher, 5.9 WAR to 4.1, better fielding from Johnson, more stolen bases. The only stat Hill had Johnson was home runs.

homeruns , rbi, runs and average( not by much though) the guy had 71 rbis while hill had 106 hill had the better season

North Yorker
08-23-2011, 05:05 PM
homeruns , rbi, runs and average( not by much though) the guy had 71 rbis while hill had 106 hill had the better season

LOL RBI.

You must also think Delmon Young is good too :laugh2:

jaysfan4ever
08-23-2011, 05:06 PM
How ****ed up is it that the D-Backs might very well be playing October baseball with a right side of the infield of Aaron Hill and Lyle freakin' Overbay. Good ole' NL ball.

Dude, if J-Mac beats out Bloomquist, the D-backs go into the playoffs with a starting infield of:

Ryan Roberts, J-Mac, Hill, and Overbay.

Ryan Roberts of course had his cup of coffee with the Jays as a 27-year old in 2007.

Johann
08-23-2011, 05:09 PM
Season 2010 + Season 2011

Kelly Johnson 153 R, 256 H, 44 HR, 121 RBI, 123 BB, 26 SB, .247 AVG, .329 OBP
Aaron Hill 108 R, 197 H, 32 HR, 113 RBI, 64 BB, 18 SB, .215 AVG, .271 OBP
Well done AA!

You neglect to mention the strikeouts.

Nevertheless, I like the trade.

Nica
08-23-2011, 05:09 PM
sign, i honestly hope we resign johnny mac in the offseason

Amen.

jakedajewler
08-23-2011, 05:14 PM
wandy rodriguez claimed on waivers by a unkown team ... hmmmm jays maybe ?? lol

The rumor going around is that the jay's claimed him but so did the Rockies and the Rockies won due to their record. They now have a day to work out a deal

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 05:15 PM
LOL RBI.

You must also think Delmon Young is good too :laugh2:

he was drafted number one overall right ??

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 05:18 PM
im just saying why spend the money on kelly johsnon

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 05:22 PM
kelly johsnon lol what a joke if this guy is the future second basemen

bomber0104
08-23-2011, 05:23 PM
Dude, if J-Mac beats out Bloomquist, the D-backs go into the playoffs with a starting infield of:

Ryan Roberts, J-Mac, Hill, and Overbay.

Ryan Roberts of course had his cup of coffee with the Jays as a 27-year old in 2007.

goes to show u how sad the NL is especially the west. The Jays would dominate that division

StayOnBoard
08-23-2011, 05:26 PM
Dude, if J-Mac beats out Bloomquist, the D-backs go into the playoffs with a starting infield of:

Ryan Roberts, J-Mac, Hill, and Overbay.

Ryan Roberts of course had his cup of coffee with the Jays as a 27-year old in 2007.

All ex-Blue Jays except for Roberts :p

Boy will they be in trouble.

This is a FANTASTIC trade by AA.

If Johnson walks, they get a Type B draft pick. If he accepts arb, they have a decent 2nd baseman stop gap at a reasonable salary (well, semi-reasonable anyways). Win/Win for Toronto.

I was so sick and tired of watching Hill be a rally killer day in and day out. A very welcomed change.

Johnny Mac - wish you the best buddy - you're a class act through and through. You're welcomed back with open arms at the end of the season :clap:

shortfuze
08-23-2011, 05:29 PM
All ex-Blue Jays except for Roberts :p
Boy will they be in trouble.

This is a FANTASTIC trade by AA.

If Johnson walks, they get a Type B draft pick. If he accepts arb, they have a decent 2nd baseman stop gap at a reasonable salary (well, semi-reasonable anyways). Win/Win for Toronto.

I was so sick and tired of watching Hill be a rally killer day in and day out. A very welcomed change.

Johnny Mac - wish you the best buddy - you're a class act through and through. You're welcomed back with open arms at the end of the season :clap:

he was a jay.

BlueJayFanDan
08-23-2011, 05:29 PM
Not sure how I feel about this deal. On one hand, Mac is a great leader and a great guy to have in a locker room, especially when you have guys who have had past issues such as Escobar and Rasmus. I still love Hill despite the past 2 brutal seasons and he is still awesome defensively. I personally am not a Kelly Johnson fan but he seems like a good player. This is definitely a solid deal but also a little tough to swallow.

Nuke
08-23-2011, 05:34 PM
he was drafted number one overall right ??

So was Matt Bush... what`s your point

StealingSigns
08-23-2011, 05:44 PM
hahaha PTS just showed an image of Johnny Mac with this line:

.250 avg 96 HR 20 RBI this season

Kenny Powders
08-23-2011, 05:44 PM
he was drafted number one overall right ??

Thats a pretty lame argument.

leafsrule99
08-23-2011, 05:45 PM
wow...good trade...good luck AH...gonna miss jmac and his fathers day home run..

silly question guys but i thought after july trade deadline you couldnt trade? so how did this happen?

North Yorker
08-23-2011, 05:46 PM
wow...good trade...good luck AH...gonna miss jmac and his fathers day home run..

silly question guys but i thought after july trade deadline you couldnt trade? so how did this happen?

the waiver trade deadline isnt till the end of August

StealingSigns
08-23-2011, 05:47 PM
PTS just corrected it to 2 HR's. Someone was asleep there!

leafsrule99
08-23-2011, 05:52 PM
the waiver trade deadline isnt till the end of August

so is there a limitation against what type of players can get traded now?

StealingSigns
08-23-2011, 06:01 PM
There are way more people visiting the Jays forum than the MLB forum right now.

mtf
08-23-2011, 06:06 PM
so is there a limitation against what type of players can get traded now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_transactions#Trades

DeRozan10
08-23-2011, 06:07 PM
Goodbye aaron and jonny

naidle
08-23-2011, 06:07 PM
Good trade.

He continues to struggle and we get a supp pick... or he turns it around for a month and then signs a deal similar to that of Edwin in the offseason (prove it with a team option yr).

Little risk given that there aren't a lot of 2b FA options out there.

Mac can just sign back next year if we feel he fits. Personally I think we overrate what he offers the team but to each their own.

GNick
08-23-2011, 06:10 PM
AA may be seeing if Hill clicks in Arizona by way he was talking of bringing him back. The way Hill's game fell could be him and hitting coach not on same page

dirtbagreed
08-23-2011, 06:17 PM
I really like this trade, i was always a Kelly Johnson fan but i thought AA was going for him in the offseason.

correct me if im wrong but didnt AA say before the deadline that he was interested in bringing in players to for an "audition" to be a part of the future? This trade looks like exactly that to me. If he struggles than fine, we still get the pick :clap:

lmallia
08-23-2011, 06:19 PM
kelly johsnon lol what a joke if this guy is the future second basemen

Look at the stats.. Besides this year he's been pretty much a top 10 2B in the league.. I dont get your hate for him.

jaysfan4ever
08-23-2011, 06:37 PM
homeruns , rbi, runs and average( not by much though) the guy had 71 rbis while hill had 106 hill had the better season

RBIs and Runs are dependent on lineup protection man.

For RBIs:

Hill had 319ABs with runners on in 2009, while KJ had 225ABs with runners on in 2010, that's a LOT more RBI opportunities. Give KJ an extra 94ABs with runners on and KJ gets 23 extra RBIs based on his 56RBIs in 225ABs with runners on. So it's 94 RBIs for KJ vs. 106RBIs for Hill. Much closer.

For Runs:

Hill hit in front of Lind, Johnson hit in front of Chris Young, and Stephen Drew. That explains Hill's 100+ Runs vs. Johnson's 93.

The thing is consistency. Hill's been one of the worst-ten players in the majors this season by any measure, that's why we don't want him on our team. Pretty simple really. Johnson's at least been useful this year.

Nels@Ryerson
08-23-2011, 06:46 PM
hahaha PTS just showed an image of Johnny Mac with this line:

.250 avg 96 HR 20 RBI this season

96 HR = #meninwhite

PJ Awesome
08-23-2011, 06:47 PM
Gonna miss these two

JMac4PM
08-23-2011, 06:58 PM
Kelly Johnson and Kyle Davies all in 1 week... look out Boston n New York

3mikee_
08-23-2011, 07:01 PM
LOL I saw the PTS hr thing ahah... no way Johnny Mac isn't coming back..the guy is such a class act. Love him to death.

Krylian
08-23-2011, 07:04 PM
I think people care way too much about players who are nice guys. I'd rather have a team of players who have knife fights in the clubhouse, but are championship calibre, over a team full of boyscouts that finish .500 all the time.

DVS
08-23-2011, 07:38 PM
im just saying why spend the money on kelly johsnon

Who else (2B) are you going to spend the money on this offseason?

DeRozan10
08-23-2011, 07:42 PM
Who else (2B) are you going to spend the money on this offseason?

Jose Reyes

DVS
08-23-2011, 07:46 PM
Jose Reyes

I doubt it. Too many injuries for the price tag.

mtf
08-23-2011, 07:54 PM
I think people care way too much about players who are nice guys. I'd rather have a team of players who have knife fights in the clubhouse, but are championship calibre, over a team full of boyscouts that finish .500 all the time.

Yeah I totally agree. As a fan, I'm not tuning in to see my favorite group of super friends. I want to see a winning product.

JaysRapsPack
08-23-2011, 07:59 PM
Hill was by all accounts a great guy, who accepted a team friendly contract to be with what he was/is sure is going to be a winning team. I'm happy that he'll get a chance at the playoffs this year, but I'm not sad to see him go.

Johnny Mac on the other hand was among my favorite bluejays of all time. I'm practically weeping right now. Gonna miss The Prime Minister of Defense.

leafsrule99
08-23-2011, 08:03 PM
well JMac did ask AA that if he could get traded to a contender then do it...so its a 2 month gig for him with the DBacks almost sure he will be back as a utility....

Aaron hill really dont see him coming back to the jays

Eagles4Lyfe
08-23-2011, 08:06 PM
What a trade just the guy I mentioned a week ago. There is no bad way of looking at this trade, gives us so much flexibility pick wise and allows us to do some damage in free agency..

Billyen
08-23-2011, 08:34 PM
I can't remember a time when there was a PC after a player was traded and have the player stay and talk about them leaving with the GM. Just feels a little strange. Can anyone remember something like this?

For those that missed the PC... (like I did, just woke up)

http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?c_id=tor&content_id=18345885&topic_id=8878984

Billyen
08-23-2011, 08:38 PM
Johnson could be a Type A. Is this a good thing?
Not sure someone would be willing to give up a 1st rounder for him (thinking Frasor here)

lmallia
08-23-2011, 08:53 PM
Johnson could be a Type A. Is this a good thing?
Not sure someone would be willing to give up a 1st rounder for him (thinking Frasor here)

Then he accepts arb, fine with us.

es0terik
08-23-2011, 09:02 PM
Hopefully we're getting close to the point where there is no whipping boy. Isn't that the point of building a WS winning team? Anybody remember who was the whipping boy in '92 or '93?

You give Jays fans too much credit. Most Blue Jay fans just NEED something to ***** and moan about, so trust me, you could put out a team with 9 starting all-stars, there'd still be a 'whipping boy'.

es0terik
08-23-2011, 09:24 PM
Man I cannot believe that Johnson had 5.9 WAR last year. That's frickin amazing. He was the third best 2B in the majors, after Cano and Weeks (both perennial all-stars).


alright congrats on ur nerd statistics on which i don't care about.. but johnson is not that much of an upgrade over hill .. if hill comes back from his numbers from 09 and johnson comes back from his number in 2010 which second base men would u rather have ?? its not that hard of a question

Johnson 2010. A million times, Johnson 2010..

13Lawrie13
08-23-2011, 09:28 PM
Man I cannot believe that Johnson had 5.9 WAR last year. That's frickin amazing. He was the third best 2B in the majors, after Cano and Weeks (both perennial all-stars).



Johnson 2010. A million times, Johnson 2010..

He didn't have a 5.9 WAR?

He had a WAR of 4.2.

Oh, and Hill had a WAR of 5.4 in 2009.

You really need to get your facts straight.

jaysnraptors44
08-23-2011, 09:37 PM
Man I cannot believe that Johnson had 5.9 WAR last year. That's frickin amazing. He was the third best 2B in the majors, after Cano and Weeks (both perennial all-stars).



Johnson 2010. A million times, Johnson 2010..

alright tell me why

2009mvp
08-23-2011, 09:37 PM
He didn't have a 5.9 WAR?

He had a WAR of 4.2.

Oh, and Hill had a WAR of 5.4 in 2009.

You really need to get your facts straight.


You both have your facts straight, it's just that Baseballreference WAR and Fangraphs WAR are two different things.

Twitchy
08-23-2011, 09:39 PM
It's not good to use Baseball Reference WAR for hitters because the defensive values are more inaccurate than FG. It makes a big difference.

Towelie
08-23-2011, 09:39 PM
Nothing more then a type B pick doubt he picks up A but even so KJ had a career year last year and has fallen off the earth since. Trading junk for junk and hope something pays off

Nuke
08-23-2011, 09:41 PM
He didn't have a 5.9 WAR?

He had a WAR of 4.2.

Oh, and Hill had a WAR of 5.4 in 2009.

You really need to get your facts straight.

What the hell are you talking about? Johnson had a 5.9 in 2010 and Hill had a 4.1 in 2009.

You get your fact straight.

We got our numbers from fangraphs where did you get yours?

13Lawrie13
08-23-2011, 09:42 PM
What the hell are you talking about? Johnson had a 5.9 in 2010 and Hill had a 4.1 in 2009.

You get your fact straight.

We got our numbers from fangraphs where did you get yours?

Baseball reference.

It was my mistake, but, now, also yours.

Thanks for that though. It takes some of the stupidity off of me. :p

Nuke
08-23-2011, 09:42 PM
You both have your facts straight, it's just that Baseballreference WAR and Fangraphs WAR are two different things.

sorry didn't see this before I posted

13Lawrie13
08-23-2011, 09:45 PM
It's not good to use Baseball Reference WAR for hitters because the defensive values are more inaccurate than FG. It makes a big difference.

Strange.

I was always under the impression that WAR always followed the exact calculations. So, if that were the case, it wouldn't matter which site you go on.

Oh well, my mistake. I guess you learn something new everyday.:)

es0terik
08-23-2011, 09:55 PM
wrong thread.

es0terik
08-23-2011, 10:18 PM
Yeah Baseball Reference's WAR is inaccurate, I'd trust FG much more.

I also want to know how it seems it was only a week ago I checked the rankings and Bautista and Pedroia were tied at 6.9 WAR but yet, now Pedroia is at 7.0 and Bautista is at 7.7? Kind of weird how fast Joey's numbers went up, I don't remember him doing anything too remarkable recently.

FlakeyFool
08-23-2011, 10:31 PM
Hill's lost his defense

craigerlee
08-23-2011, 10:36 PM
Yeah Baseball Reference's WAR is inaccurate, I'd trust FG much more.

I also want to know how it seems it was only a week ago I checked the rankings and Bautista and Pedroia were tied at 6.9 WAR but yet, now Pedroia is at 7.0 and Bautista is at 7.7? Kind of weird how fast Joey's numbers went up, I don't remember him doing anything too remarkable recently.

Cause he's only made like 10 outs in his last 21 AB's with 1 triple and 3 bombs.