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GiantsSwaGG
08-13-2011, 04:16 PM
What current & former player Had the most potential but never lived up to it?

Current Players: Kwame Brown

Former Players: michael olowokandi

Sixerlover
08-13-2011, 04:27 PM
Current Player: Greg Oden

Former Player: Len Bias

Slimsim
08-13-2011, 04:31 PM
Current maybe Darius Miles

sdotknick
08-13-2011, 04:31 PM
id have to agree with you

tredigs
08-13-2011, 04:50 PM
Current Player: Greg Oden

Former Player: Len Bias

Taking that a bit literally now!

And I figured Greg Oden wouldn't take long, but I'm willing to give him another year or two before labeling the guy. Obviously the possibility of more injury is a major concern, but he's still a young kid.

I'll take:

Former: '89's #1 pick, Pervis Ellison. Injuries killed that guys career before it started, but he was great in college, and great in the only season he was somewhat healthy in the NBA.

Current: Kwame. Has to be.


What about the greatest player who was considered to have the least potential and looked over by virtually every NBA team?

Ginobili and Ben Wallace, right? 56th pick and Undrafted - both probably Hall of Famers.

HouRealCoach
08-13-2011, 05:09 PM
Sebastin Telfair... He had a freakin documentary on ESPN during Primetime hours

Adam Morrison, Greg Oden(Hopefully he does one day), Its too many to name

HouRealCoach
08-13-2011, 05:10 PM
But seriously... Does Amare's defense and rebounding count?

llemon
08-13-2011, 05:14 PM
Former player.....Derrick Coleman

cmellofan15
08-13-2011, 05:19 PM
I remember when I was watching the 2003 Draft one of the analysts said Darko would have went number one in any other draft of the past ten years. :laugh2:

Kashmir13579
08-13-2011, 05:22 PM
Marbury

llemon
08-13-2011, 05:24 PM
Marbury

Definitely on the list

John Walls Era
08-13-2011, 05:40 PM
Starbury was really good back then. 20+ and 8 for a majority of his career.

llemon
08-13-2011, 05:54 PM
Starbury was really good back then. 20+ and 8 for a majority of his career.

And yet, he sucked.

Kashmir13579
08-13-2011, 06:00 PM
And yet, he sucked.

yeah.. he could've been one of the greatest PGs to ever play, imo. He had the skillset.

mdm692
08-13-2011, 06:01 PM
Grant hill because of his injuries

PurpleJesus
08-13-2011, 06:11 PM
^^Grant Hill is a good one,

Jonathan Bender...Darius Miles...

phantasyyy
08-13-2011, 06:16 PM
what about Vince Carter? he coulda been still wrecking **** up rather than bouncing from team to team

playmaker_41
08-13-2011, 06:17 PM
curret: andrea bargnani
former: yao ming

llemon
08-13-2011, 06:22 PM
curret: andrea bargnani
former: yao ming

I'd say Yao Ming played up to his potential

playmaker_41
08-13-2011, 06:30 PM
I'd say Yao Ming played up to his potential

he played 3 healthy seasons for the rockets, if he wasn't injured most of his career he coulda taken that team somewhere, def get a number retired for his popularity
instead he retires with nothing

llemon
08-13-2011, 06:33 PM
he played 3 healthy seasons for the rockets, if he wasn't injured most of his career he coulda taken that team somewhere, def get a number retired for his popularity
instead he retires with nothing

Yao wasn't getting any better than what he was.

Just too limited physically, and I'm not talking about injuries.

DR_1
08-13-2011, 06:53 PM
Past: Arvydas Sabonis

Current: Greg Oden

THE WALL
08-13-2011, 07:00 PM
former: Sheed

llemon
08-13-2011, 07:02 PM
If we are including injuries, Maurice Stokes must be mentioned. And Magic Johnson of course. And Alonzo Mourning. And Bill Walton. And Lloyd Neal. And Reggie Lewis. And Dino Radja. And Sarunas Marciulionis

Khalifa21
08-13-2011, 07:10 PM
Len Bias, Grant Hill and Arvydas Sabonis all come to mind.

llemon
08-13-2011, 07:15 PM
Len Bias, Grant Hill and Arvydas Sabonis all come to mind.

Len Bias is a tough call, as he wasn't an NBA player.

llemon
08-13-2011, 07:18 PM
Joe Barry Carroll, Benoit Benjamin, Vin Baker, Chris Kaman

tredigs
08-13-2011, 07:22 PM
Grant Hill crossed my mind, but really makes no sense and is completely unfair. He "underperformed" (due to injury) only because he was projected to be like Michael Jordan, if not better.

But the guy has been an All Star plenty of years, even All NBA 1st team, was indeed one of the best all around players in the game for a few years, and is still doing the damn thing at the age of 38. He's a baller, and put together a HOF career.

He has no business in this conversation.



If we are including injuries, Maurice Stokes must be mentioned. And Magic Johnson of course. And Alonzo Mourning. And Bill Walton. And Lloyd Neal. And Reggie Lewis. And Dino Radja

Again, MAGIC? I know what you're talking about with the AIDS fiasco and the abrupt ending of near-prime Magic, but he is argued by some as the Greatest of All Time. How can we talk about him as a "what if"? We witnessed. And it was better than could have ever been imagined.

NBAfan4life
08-13-2011, 07:25 PM
I don't think we can say Kwame Brown had the most potential. He came out of HS. It was a crap shoot. He has bad hands, and that was never really going to change.

llemon
08-13-2011, 07:42 PM
I don't think we can say Kwame Brown had the most potential. He came out of HS. It was a crap shoot. He has bad hands, and that was never really going to change.

Agree

llemon
08-13-2011, 07:44 PM
Grant Hill crossed my mind, but really makes no sense and is completely unfair. He "underperformed" (due to injury) only because he was projected to be like Michael Jordan, if not better.

But the guy has been an All Star plenty of years, even All NBA 1st team, was indeed one of the best all around players in the game for a few years, and is still doing the damn thing at the age of 38. He's a baller, and put together a HOF career.

He has no business in this conversation.




Again, MAGIC? I know what you're talking about with the AIDS fiasco and the abrupt ending of near-prime Magic, but he is argued by some as the Greatest of All Time. How can we talk about him as a "what if"? We witnessed. And it was better than could have ever been imagined.

If were are speaking of injured players, how could you not mention Magic?

Cut down mid NBA career.

You think Magic achieved everything he could have in his career?

Oski H
08-13-2011, 07:46 PM
Grant hill because of his injuries

I would definately say Grant and Penny Hardaway for the same reason

tredigs
08-13-2011, 08:12 PM
If were are speaking of injured players, how could you not mention Magic?

Cut down mid NBA career.

You think Magic achieved everything he could have in his career?

Just look at the thread title question though: "What player had the most potential but never lived up to it"?

Do you really think Magic did not live up to his potential? He would've continued to be great for some years no doubt, but I think it's fair to say we saw the best of Magic, and it was top 5 All Time.

I see your point with the injury factor (tho' I only mention that for players that we never got to see reach their potential), but I don't think we can fairly lump him together with Kwame Brown and the like.

LakersMaster24
08-13-2011, 08:16 PM
Current = Bargnani

Past = Sam Bowie

llemon
08-13-2011, 08:29 PM
Just look at the thread title question though: "What player had the most potential but never lived up to it"?

Do you really think Magic did not live up to his potential? He would've continued to be great for some years no doubt, but I think it's fair to say we saw the best of Magic, and it was top 5 All Time.

I see your point with the injury factor (tho' I only mention that for players that we never got to see reach their potential), but I don't think we can fairly lump him together with Kwame Brown and the like.

I didn't lump him in with Kwame.

I put him in with the injury cases.

And the potential that he didn't fulfill was his capabilities of continuing his all-time great play without Kareem.

Khalifa21
08-13-2011, 09:02 PM
I'm not quite sure why Bargnani's getting so many mentions?

The guy never really had a HUGE amount of potential if I remember... I always thought he was gonna come in and be a finesse, jump shooting "center" who didn't rebound and play defense. It's not like he was touted to be the next Arvydas Sabonis or anything. He's a soft, stretch 4 who's being forced to play the 5.

sofa_king_great
08-13-2011, 09:03 PM
LeBron James

jk


how about Rafael Araujo?

Lim
08-13-2011, 11:12 PM
lamar odom

JJ_JKidd
08-15-2011, 10:01 AM
LBJ. The next Jordan, multiple championships, etc. :facepalm:

Blame the media though

k24magic
08-15-2011, 10:47 AM
Current: Tracy McGrady/Vince Carter

Former: Penny Hardaway

pedsdmd
08-15-2011, 11:41 AM
Pervis Ellison

Joe Smith

Darko Milicic

Kenny Anderson

Mike Sweetney

Tskitasvilli

Jay Williams

Dujuan Wagner

Eddy Curry

Stromile Swift

Trajon Langdon

sep11ie
08-15-2011, 11:42 AM
I'm gonna go ahead and say Derrick Rose.

ghettosean
08-15-2011, 12:01 PM
current: Tracy mcgrady/vince carter

former: Penny hardaway

THIS!!!

I'll add in Sam Bowie too!

Rocketsfan85
08-15-2011, 12:10 PM
Penny Hardaway

PacersForLife
08-15-2011, 12:16 PM
Its hard to say Tracy McGrady because he was pretty good before the injury happened, I don't think he could have got much better. Other than him, Jonathan Bender and Rashad McCants.

Cal827
08-15-2011, 12:29 PM
Current: Brandon Roy.... His ceiling was high, but now that he's basically playing on bones, I don't think he's going to improve anymore.
Bargs: I understand that he's a stretch 4, 1st overall picks are supposed to take charge on one end of the court at least... He averaged 21ppg on 44% shooting and regressed on basically every defensive category in his first year as the Raptors number 1 guy.... there are reasons we want him out lol.
Darko: Unfortunately he was drafted by a loaded Pistons team and didn't get much time to develop with them.... At least he has a serviceable career right now.

Past: Jay Williams, or Dajuan Wagner

albertc86
08-15-2011, 02:20 PM
Kwame Brown never had the potential. It was never his fault that he was the #1 pick, either. Jordan is to blame for that one.

Lamar Odom comes to mind. A lot of talent but he never materialized into that great player that we thought he would become.