PDA

View Full Version : #3 Center In The NBA? (Volume IV)



Mile High Champ
08-06-2011, 10:15 AM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last three years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. Its is now that time to vote! I would like to start this up once more considering the NBA season is now over and we can get to this discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 2 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best.

1) Dwight Howard
2) Andrew Bynum
3)
4)
5)
6)
7)
8)
9)
10)



2010 Off-Season C Rankings

1) Dwight Howard
2) Yao Ming
3) Andrew Bogut
4) Brook Lopez
5) Andrew Bynum
6) Marc Gasol
7) Joakim Noah
8) Al Horford
9) Al Jefferson
10) Chris Kaman

2009 Off-Season C Rankings

1) Dwight Howard
2) Yao Ming
3) Al Jefferson
4) Shaquille O'Neal
5) Andrea Bargnani
6) Andris Biedrins
7) Emeka Okafor
8) Nene
9) Brook Lopez
10) Andrew Bynum

2008 Off-Season C Rankings:

1) Dwight Howard
2) Yao Ming
3) Al Jefferson
4) Andrew Bynum
5) Chris Kaman
6) Tyson Chandler
7) Shaquille O'Neal
8) Marcus Camby
9) Jermaine O'neal
10) Andrew Bogut

Mile High Champ
08-06-2011, 10:17 AM
Lets get voting.

NYKalltheway
08-06-2011, 10:27 AM
should be between Gasol and Tyson Chandler if it's solely based on playoffs.

Brooklyn Mets
08-06-2011, 10:46 AM
Bogut Chandler Gasol

LTBaByyy
08-06-2011, 11:06 AM
Tyson Chandler!!!!!!!!!

Yall have to go with him here

Dade County
08-06-2011, 11:08 AM
Bogut.

YoungOne
08-06-2011, 11:23 AM
staying with gasol

LakersIn5
08-06-2011, 11:36 AM
timmy d for me

-Kobe24-TJ19-
08-06-2011, 11:37 AM
ugh gasol's regular season 12/7

LTBaByyy
08-06-2011, 11:40 AM
If you are basing it on Season AND Playoffs it has to be Chandler then Horford then Gasol

theheatles
08-06-2011, 11:58 AM
the big fundamental

GoPacers33
08-06-2011, 12:01 PM
i still think Duncan is a PF.

Hellcrooner
08-06-2011, 12:09 PM
did no one watch what Marc Gasol did to grandady in the playoffs?

Chronz
08-06-2011, 12:13 PM
i still think Duncan is a PF.

So 3pt specialist Matt Bonner is a center in your eyes?

Sportfan
08-06-2011, 12:18 PM
Bogut

LTBaByyy
08-06-2011, 12:21 PM
Wow!!! Tim Duncan is going to run with this???

He started allllllllllll of his games at PF!!!!!!!!! Blair, McDyess, and Bonner started at C

Be honest people, if we are doing this we shouldve had Horford in the PF poll

beasted86
08-06-2011, 12:21 PM
did no one watch what Marc Gasol did to grandady in the playoffs?

I did see Marc only average 7 boards in the regular season.

I also know he's not as good a defender as Duncan, both from watching, and all the stats suggesting such.

Duncan outscored, and outerebounded Marc in less minutes.

beasted86
08-06-2011, 12:24 PM
He started allllllllllll of his games at PF!!!!!!!!! Blair, McDyess, and Bonner started at C

Nice try... you know this is 100% false.

kingkenny01
08-06-2011, 12:32 PM
Bogut is the top defender out of all these centers

B'sCeltsPatsSox
08-06-2011, 12:39 PM
I'm going with Horford again.

LTBaByyy
08-06-2011, 12:46 PM
Bogut is the top defender out of all these centers

Ummmm no.

That would be Tyson Chandler

GoPacers33
08-06-2011, 12:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoPacers33
i still think Duncan is a PF.
So 3pt specialist Matt Bonner is a center in your eyes?


What. I've read dozens of places that Duncan is the best PF of all time.

LTBaByyy
08-06-2011, 12:51 PM
Nice try... you know this is 100% false.

Nice try buddy. Tim Duncan did!!!!! Even look at their depth chart

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs

http://basketball.******.com/nba/teams/San_Antonio_Spurs/26/Depth_Charts

http://shamsports.com/content/pages/data/depthcharts/spurs.jsp

http://www.sportscity.com/NBA/San-Antonio-Spurs-Depth-Chart

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2011.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html

http://www.nba.com/home/playerfile/tim_duncan/

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3173



SHOULD I KEEP GOING???? TIM DUNCAN IS A PF AND STARTED AT THE POSITION ALL LAST YEAR

dhopisthename
08-06-2011, 01:26 PM
so what if he is/isn't a center duncan is still way better then everyone left

Avenged
08-06-2011, 01:31 PM
Marc Gasol is coming off his worst season! No way this spot belongs to him.

Although it's clear Duncan is on the decline, he is still better than a lot of these Centers.

Hellcrooner
08-06-2011, 01:40 PM
Marc Gasol is coming off his worst season! No way this spot belongs to him.

Although it's clear Duncan is on the decline, he is still better than a lot of these Centers.

his worst season?

did you see the playoffs? where the game actually matters?
( and with one of his horrible ballhoging stupid egomaniac teamates out of th epicture thanks god)

85BearsDefense
08-06-2011, 01:54 PM
Duncan is a PF????

Avenged
08-06-2011, 01:55 PM
his worst season?

did you see the playoffs? where the game actually matters?
( and with one of his horrible ballhoging stupid egomaniac teamates out of th epicture thanks god)

If we're going by playoffs then you should have no problem having Bynum at #2 since he did perform better.

Hellcrooner
08-06-2011, 02:05 PM
If we're going by playoffs then you should have no problem having Bynum at #2 since he did perform better.

yeah he lead us to a 0-4 :clap:

Gators123
08-06-2011, 02:09 PM
Greg Monroe :)

Avenged
08-06-2011, 02:14 PM
yeah he lead us to a 0-4 :clap:

Hah! Didn't realize Bynum was leading the team and was the only one playing.

Nobody is arguing that he's better than Pau (since I know this is where you're getting at), so losing early to the Mavs shouldn't come to a surprise to you. We're comparing Centers. Not who is the better 2nd option between Pau and Bynum.

beasted86
08-06-2011, 02:25 PM
Hah! Didn't realize Bynum was leading the team and was the only one playing.

Nobody is arguing that he's better than Pau (since I know this is where you're getting at), so losing early to the Mavs shouldn't come to a surprise to you. We're comparing Centers. Not who is the better 2nd option between Pau and Bynum.

But if he's not good enough to be the 2nd option on the Lakers, how can he be the 2nd best Center in the NBA?

Like I said about 3 times in the other thread... replace Bynum with Duncan, and the Lakers get better. Better passer... actually opens the paint better so Pau can operate... and most importantly waaaaay smarter.

GhostfaceDrilla
08-06-2011, 02:25 PM
did no one watch what Marc Gasol did to grandady in the playoffs?

If that is the case, then why didn't Terry make the top 10 SG?

Tyson Chandler here.

Chronz
08-06-2011, 02:29 PM
Nice try buddy. Tim Duncan did!!!!! Even look at their depth chart

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs

http://basketball.******.com/nba/teams/San_Antonio_Spurs/26/Depth_Charts

http://shamsports.com/content/pages/data/depthcharts/spurs.jsp

http://www.sportscity.com/NBA/San-Antonio-Spurs-Depth-Chart

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2011.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html

http://www.nba.com/home/playerfile/tim_duncan/

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3173



SHOULD I KEEP GOING???? TIM DUNCAN IS A PF AND STARTED AT THE POSITION ALL LAST YEAR

Lol some of those links hold no relevance. But what I want to know is if you even saw one game of the spurs, anyone who has would know he started and played c all year. Unless you can come up with a reason why bonner and co are more of a center.

beasted86
08-06-2011, 02:31 PM
Nice try buddy. Tim Duncan did!!!!! Even look at their depth chart

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs

http://basketball.******.com/nba/teams/San_Antonio_Spurs/26/Depth_Charts

http://shamsports.com/content/pages/data/depthcharts/spurs.jsp

http://www.sportscity.com/NBA/San-Antonio-Spurs-Depth-Chart

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2011.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html

http://www.nba.com/home/playerfile/tim_duncan/

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3173



SHOULD I KEEP GOING???? TIM DUNCAN IS A PF AND STARTED AT THE POSITION ALL LAST YEAR

Those website have had Duncan as a PF from since 1998, and haven't changed it since. Same reason David Lee is still a Center on ESPN despite starting at PF pretty exclusively all season long. Funny enough though Duncan is listed at Center on ESPN, yet all the splits say otherwise. This shows a great amount of inconsistency.

But all you need to know about his position is just watching him play....Duncan does the opening tip for the Spurs, defends the opposing Center for the Spurs, and plays in the low post with McDyess, Blair, or Bonner in the high post or out on the perimeter.

He plays the Center position.

DR_1
08-06-2011, 02:37 PM
Duncan is a PF in my view, so I voted Bogut.

Slimsim
08-06-2011, 02:52 PM
Al horford

Mishmin
08-06-2011, 03:17 PM
This is the most difficult #3 at any position

Chronz
08-06-2011, 03:30 PM
Duncan is a PF in my view, so I voted Bogut.

So when it comes time to vote for Horford you'll just skip him? Your basically punishing Duncan because your stuck living in 1999?

Who cares what you think he plays, hes on THIS ballot, you and everyone who keeps saying this is just ****ing up the list. Vote for the best player and move on, you people aren't coming off smart by insisting Duncan is a pf.

Lake_Show2416
08-06-2011, 03:43 PM
Duncan is not a center, u can't b known as the best PF of all time if ur a center, Pau played center when Bynum was out, that doesn't make him a center

heatbb
08-06-2011, 03:45 PM
I keep going with Bogut. Given Duncan is a C, he's ahead of Bynum but not Bogut. Duncan has lost too much with age. He can still be the scary Duncan from 5yrs ago, but not consistently. Bogut on the other hand is in his prime, blocks shots, grabs rebounds and scores like no one else on his team.

sixer20
08-06-2011, 03:47 PM
I'm going with Bogut, best center after Howard. If I was drafting I'm taking Bogut over Bynum and Duncan at this point.

Lake_Show2416
08-06-2011, 03:49 PM
I went Nene, if he had any help, ppl would see how fluid, athletic & productive he is

Redbull
08-06-2011, 04:13 PM
Noah followed closely by Chandler.

Sadds The Gr8
08-06-2011, 04:18 PM
how is Duncan a PF? from 1999 to 2008 he was, but not today.

nycericanguy
08-06-2011, 04:19 PM
should be between Gasol and Tyson Chandler if it's solely based on playoffs.

why would u base it solely on the playoffs? Alot of these guys weren't even in the playoffs.

The_Pharouh
08-06-2011, 04:44 PM
Andrew Bogut

VinceCarter
08-06-2011, 05:21 PM
Damn, if we are gonna vote Bynum #2 we should probably vote Yao #3 and Oden #4 :facepalm:

b@llhog24
08-06-2011, 05:28 PM
Horford

b@llhog24
08-06-2011, 05:31 PM
Greg Monroe :)

Yea dude beasted the year, but i thought that he wasp drafted as a PF? Is it because of JJ?

smith&wesson
08-06-2011, 06:17 PM
you guys really think duncan is the 3rd best C in the league at this point ?

Kashmir13579
08-06-2011, 07:33 PM
I'm voting for Noah until he's off the board. For no other reason other than i really like the guy and think he brings an intangible element and toughness to the game that no other center quite has. I can't even put my finger on it, but i'm voting Noah.

Bruno
08-06-2011, 07:40 PM
Took Duncan here. Liking Horford or Nene next.

Sadds The Gr8
08-06-2011, 07:52 PM
you guys really think duncan is the 3rd best C in the league at this point ?
there isnt much good Centers at all...

ewmania
08-06-2011, 07:58 PM
i take bogut

hgtiger32
08-06-2011, 08:11 PM
how the hell is Andrew Bynum the 2nd best center?

Last I checked this is based on best player right now, not potential.

010957
08-06-2011, 09:16 PM
Damn, if we are gonna vote Bynum #2 we should probably vote Yao #3 and Oden #4 :facepalm:

So true, i couldn't believe my eyes when i say bynum at 2#....:facepalm:

Lake_Show2416
08-06-2011, 09:21 PM
how the hell is Andrew Bynum the 2nd best center?

Last I checked this is based on best player right now, not potential.

Well he's 2nd best in both, right under Dwight

Kobes a Killer
08-06-2011, 09:22 PM
Damn, if we are gonna vote Bynum #2 we should probably vote Yao #3 and Oden #4 :facepalm:


how the hell is Andrew Bynum the 2nd best center?

Last I checked this is based on best player right now, not potential.


So true, i couldn't believe my eyes when i say bynum at 2#....:facepalm:

Typical Laker haters. Bynum is more talented than any player on that list right now. He also play more than half the season last year if not just about half. He doesn't fall into the Oden Yao category at all

Raps18-19 Champ
08-06-2011, 09:26 PM
Damn, if we are gonna vote Bynum #2 we should probably vote Yao #3 and Oden #4 :facepalm:

Thank you.

I can already see when all are healthy, Yao would dominate and Oden has shown he can be a beast.

Bruno
08-06-2011, 09:26 PM
Not to mention that his playoff numbers were just as good as Kobes, and better than Gasols. Considerably. When LAL went 16-1 post ASG weekend before the collapse Bynums defense and rebounding was elite. Several have arguments at #2, but Bynum landing the most votes isn't a "joke", statistically speaking.

Bruno
08-06-2011, 09:31 PM
Bynum played 64 total games last season. Not even close to being Yao or Oden territory.

Regular season PER of 21.1 on a TS% of .61, WS/48 of .210. If there's another center on the board who posted better numbers please share.

Playoffs: PER of 20.6, TS% of .596.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01.html

DR_1
08-06-2011, 09:32 PM
So when it comes time to vote for Horford you'll just skip him? Your basically punishing Duncan because your stuck living in 1999?

Who cares what you think he plays, hes on THIS ballot, you and everyone who keeps saying this is just ****ing up the list. Vote for the best player and move on, you people aren't coming off smart by insisting Duncan is a pf.

No, I'll vote for Horford when he's the best left, but I just think Duncan, who has widely been called the best PF of all time should at least be listed with the PF's.

Raps18-19 Champ
08-06-2011, 09:36 PM
Not to mention that his playoff numbers were just as good as Kobes, and better than Gasols. Considerably. When LAL went 16-1 post ASG weekend before the collapse Bynums defense and rebounding was elite. Several have arguments at #2, but Bynum landing the most votes isn't a "joke", statistically speaking.

I'm not denying his presence.

But you think he'd be doing just as well if he was in the position of someone like Duncan or Bogut?

Bogut has similar stats to Bynum with more pressure on him. His defensive presence is better than Bynum. And Bogut has to work harder on offense and basically gets the same amount of points.

DJakk
08-06-2011, 09:38 PM
Personally I am disgusted with the fact that Bynum is #2, but Tim Duncan gets my pick for his dominance throughout the years and his leadership ability.

Bruno
08-06-2011, 09:46 PM
I'm not denying his presence.

But you think he'd be doing just as well if he was in the position of someone like Duncan or Bogut?

Bogut has similar stats to Bynum with more pressure on him. His defensive presence is better than Bynum. And Bogut has to work harder on offense and basically gets the same amount of points.

Why wouldn't he? With more pressure comes more touches and more opportunity to score. Bynum would average 20 ppg as a #1 option. Bynums TS% might take a hit as a #1 but his scoring would go up. If he were the only legit big, his rebounding would go up too.

It's weird that you'd knock Bynum for being injury prone but then make an argument for a player like Bogut, who only played 65 total games last season, just as many total games as Andrew did. Bynum is also a superior defender.

Chronz
08-06-2011, 09:56 PM
No, I'll vote for Horford when he's the best left, but I just think Duncan, who has widely been called the best PF of all time should at least be listed with the PF's.

So then what's the problem? Duncan is more of a center than Horford and Horford is clearly more of a PF. The reason both are on here is because they played the position.

Your argument that hes known as the best PF of all time is irrelevant because this isn't a CAREER ranking. Duncan is a center now and has arguably played the position as much as hes played PF throughout his career, but being known as the 5th or 6th best center doesn't have the same ring to it does it?

And again why are you complaining about something that's out of your hand, just vote for the best player. If you feel its Duncan then vote for him but ignoring him because he doesn't fit your preconception is not only utterly wrong but childish.

Raps18-19 Champ
08-06-2011, 10:03 PM
Why wouldn't he? With more pressure comes more touches and more opportunity to score. Bynum would average 20 ppg as a #1 option. Bynums TS% might take a hit as a #1 but his scoring would go up. If he were the only legit big, his rebounding would go up too.

It's weird that you'd knock Bynum for being injury prone but then make an argument for a player like Bogut, who only played 65 total games last season, just as many total games as Andrew did. Bynum is also a superior defender.

Bynum would barely get 16 PPG on the Bucks. Jennings hogs the ball like crazy and is a horrible shooter. Bynum wouldn't get as much touches with a Manu & Parker on the court.

Bogut had a freak accident once. Bynum has had "freak accidents" every year.

Chronz
08-06-2011, 10:08 PM
But you think he'd be doing just as well if he was in the position of someone like Duncan or Bogut?

Im not sold on him being clearly above Duncan but Bogut doesn't stand a chance. Granted hes recovering from injury and couldn't display the same shooting touch from the year prior but aren't injuries what your holding against Bynum? At least bynum comes back from his injuries where he left off.



Bogut has similar stats to Bynum with more pressure on him. His defensive presence is better than Bynum. And Bogut has to work harder on offense and basically gets the same amount of points. Going by last year, the vast disparity in their efficiency is not accounted for by his workload, at least not according to the laws of skill curves, so really their offensive stats aren't very close at all, Bynum is devastatingly efficient. If Bogut can revert to form then maybe hes comparable but not as of last year and now.

In the post 1 on 1 the 2 are very comparable, where Bynum separates himself is with his finishing ability off the ball when teammates do set him up.

Bruno
08-06-2011, 10:18 PM
Bynum would barely get 16 PPG on the Bucks. Jennings hogs the ball like crazy and is a horrible shooter. Bynum wouldn't get as much touches with a Manu & Parker on the court.

Bogut had a freak accident once. Bynum has had "freak accidents" every year.

So Jenning hogging the ball and shooting on poor efficiency would result in less points per game than eating fourth and taking significantly less FGA per game than the Lakers #1, #2 and #3 options?

2011 FGA & PPG:
Bogut- 11.4 FGA per game, 12.8 ppg.
Bynum- 7.6 FGA per game, 11.3 ppg.

Bogut shot 3.7 FGA less than Jennings (Bucks leader in FGA)
Bogut shot 0.9 FGA less than Salmons (Bucks 2nd in FGA).

Bynum shot 12.4 less FGA per game than Bryant.
Bynum shot 6.1 less FGA per game than Gasol.
Bynum shot 3.3 less FGA per game than Odom.

See the trend? Bynum eats 4th behind behind players who shoot significantly more FGAs than Bogusts teammates do relative to his own FGA per game. Put Bynum on the Bucks, he gets at least four more FGA per game (I'd argue more, the Bucks offense would force feed Bynum more than they do Bogut) but at the very least, an extra four more FGA per game. Thats just looking at the stats.

Freak accident once? Check his game log.
2006-2007: 66 games played, 16 games missed.
2008-2009: 36 games played, 46 games missed.
2009-2010: 69 games played, 13 games missed. (Missed entire playoffs)
2010-2011: 65 games played, 17 games missed.

Bogut has been dealing with nagging injuries for a lot of his career. Bogut has only played more than 69 games twice during his six year career.

Hellcrooner
08-06-2011, 10:37 PM
^i would LOVE absolutley LOVE ( because it means we would ahve Marc) to see what kind of numbers would Bynum put in the Grizzlies, when the ball rarely ever got to his hands .

Then of course i woudl lvoe to see what woudl happen with the Grizz record, because unlike marc who when he gets by some miracle the ball still looks to make a pass some times bynum would 100 out of 100 times force the shot.

Knicks21
08-06-2011, 10:43 PM
Duncan, had him at 2.

Bruno
08-06-2011, 10:43 PM
^i would LOVE absolutley LOVE ( because it means we would ahve Marc) to see what kind of numbers would Bynum put in the Grizzlies, when the ball rarely ever got to his hands .

Then of course i woudl lvoe to see what woudl happen with the Grizz record, because unlike marc who when he gets by some miracle the ball still looks to make a pass some times bynum would 100 out of 100 times force the shot.

Bynum would probably shoot just as many FGA per game with the Griz. No way would he shoot less than 7.6 FGA per game on any other team. Marc is a better passes, sure. Averages about one more assist per game than Bynum. Marc averaged more FGA last year on the Griz and Bynum did with the Lakers.

DR_1
08-06-2011, 11:06 PM
So then what's the problem? Duncan is more of a center than Horford and Horford is clearly more of a PF. The reason both are on here is because they played the position.

Your argument that hes known as the best PF of all time is irrelevant because this isn't a CAREER ranking. Duncan is a center now and has arguably played the position as much as hes played PF throughout his career, but being known as the 5th or 6th best center doesn't have the same ring to it does it?

And again why are you complaining about something that's out of your hand, just vote for the best player. If you feel its Duncan then vote for him but ignoring him because he doesn't fit your preconception is not only utterly wrong but childish.
But Duncan played PF all year; same with Horford, he was the Hawks C all year.

Chronz
08-06-2011, 11:31 PM
But Duncan played PF all year; same with Horford, he was the Hawks C all year.

Only if you believe that 6"6 Blair, 3pt specialist Matt Bonner are truer centers than that 7 footer who is somehow always defended by opposing centers and covers opposing centers. So Yea if we completely ignore the tape, the strategies, the lineups, he played PF ALL YEAR YO.

Bruno
08-06-2011, 11:56 PM
But Duncan played PF all year; same with Horford, he was the Hawks C all year.

Only in title.

hgtiger32
08-07-2011, 12:10 AM
Duncan is a PF.

There is only one true great C. The rest are average.

Bynum is overhyped by Lakers fans. The rest of us see the potential. Just wanna see a bigger body of work.

Kobes a Killer
08-07-2011, 04:55 AM
Not to mention that his playoff numbers were just as good as Kobes, and better than Gasols. Considerably. When LAL went 16-1 post ASG weekend before the collapse Bynums defense and rebounding was elite. Several have arguments at #2, but Bynum landing the most votes isn't a "joke", statistically speaking.


Bynum played 64 total games last season. Not even close to being Yao or Oden territory.

Regular season PER of 21.1 on a TS% of .61, WS/48 of .210. If there's another center on the board who posted better numbers please share.

Playoffs: PER of 20.6, TS% of .596.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01.html


So Jenning hogging the ball and shooting on poor efficiency would result in less points per game than eating fourth and taking significantly less FGA per game than the Lakers #1, #2 and #3 options?

2011 FGA & PPG:
Bogut- 11.4 FGA per game, 12.8 ppg.
Bynum- 7.6 FGA per game, 11.3 ppg.

Bogut shot 3.7 FGA less than Jennings (Bucks leader in FGA)
Bogut shot 0.9 FGA less than Salmons (Bucks 2nd in FGA).

Bynum shot 12.4 less FGA per game than Bryant.
Bynum shot 6.1 less FGA per game than Gasol.
Bynum shot 3.3 less FGA per game than Odom.

See the trend? Bynum eats 4th behind behind players who shoot significantly more FGAs than Bogusts teammates do relative to his own FGA per game. Put Bynum on the Bucks, he gets at least four more FGA per game (I'd argue more, the Bucks offense would force feed Bynum more than they do Bogut) but at the very least, an extra four more FGA per game. Thats just looking at the stats.

Freak accident once? Check his game log.
2006-2007: 66 games played, 16 games missed.
2008-2009: 36 games played, 46 games missed.
2009-2010: 69 games played, 13 games missed. (Missed entire playoffs)
2010-2011: 65 games played, 17 games missed.

Bogut has been dealing with nagging injuries for a lot of his career. Bogut has only played more than 69 games twice during his six year career.

Wow, thanking you for taking the time out of your day to look up these stats. Everyone on this site wants to do nothing but look at the stats. Now opinion backed up by facts proves all the haters wrong, Bynum is hands down the 2nd best C in the league, and he played much more games than I thought lady season. Put him on the magic instead of Dwight, abs he avg as many games a season as Dwight, he would make a case for best C in the game. He's a freaking 4th option and he's already 2nd best, damn man, haters gonna hate

Dade County
08-07-2011, 02:39 PM
^^^^ If you are that high on Bynum, show him some respect and take howard off of your sing and put Bynum next to CP3.... smh

DR_1
08-07-2011, 04:44 PM
Only if you believe that 6"6 Blair, 3pt specialist Matt Bonner are truer centers than that 7 footer who is somehow always defended by opposing centers and covers opposing centers. So Yea if we completely ignore the tape, the strategies, the lineups, he played PF ALL YEAR YO.

I'll admit I should have voted for Timmy then; I was just confused as to why he was listed as a C when many other PF's could be as well.

Chill_Will_24
08-07-2011, 05:24 PM
Wow, thanking you for taking the time out of your day to look up these stats. Everyone on this site wants to do nothing but look at the stats. Now opinion backed up by facts proves all the haters wrong, Bynum is hands down the 2nd best C in the league, and he played much more games than I thought lady season. Put him on the magic instead of Dwight, abs he avg as many games a season as Dwight, he would make a case for best C in the game. He's a freaking 4th option and he's already 2nd best, damn man, haters gonna hate

Your sig makes your post hilarious

DR_1
08-07-2011, 06:27 PM
Your sig makes your post hilarious

Lol nice

JNA17
08-07-2011, 07:46 PM
yeah he lead us to a 0-4 :clap:

Your confusing Bynum with your other friend Pau Gasol.

And what did Marc Gasol lead them exactly? Oh yeah that's right Zach Randolph was pretty much doing all the work nvm.

Stack_NJNets
08-08-2011, 06:25 PM
Tim Duncan played PF his whole career

Chronz
08-08-2011, 06:41 PM
Tim Duncan played PF his whole career

Dude how could you not have seen your own team in the Finals?

GodsSon
08-08-2011, 06:44 PM
How the **** did Bynum get the #2 spot? Man, Lakers fans stay homer-ing it up

Chronz
08-08-2011, 07:15 PM
How the **** did Bynum get the #2 spot? Man, Lakers fans stay homer-ing it up
Can anyone come up with a better reason because last I checked Bynum has been in the league for years and hes only now gotten the #2 spot. Also since when is it wrong to vote for the most statistically impressive player who brings the defensive intangibles he does? I mean this is no where near what Raps fans did a few years back when they united together to vote Bargs in the top5, now THAT was homerism at its finest.

Swashcuff
08-08-2011, 08:11 PM
I am no Laker fan, I also think Bynum is arguably the most overrated player in the NBA today, and even so I have him at #2. It's not only the Laker fans who think he's got a strong case at 2.

SteBO
08-08-2011, 08:16 PM
I am no Laker fan, I also think Bynum is arguably the most overrated player in the NBA today, and even so I have him at #2. It's not only the Laker fans who think he's got a strong case at 2.
I can live with Bynum getting #2. The center position is in the toilet this time around anyway after Dwight Howard. I just tend to value a bigger sample size, and a sample size bigger than 50 or so games.

Also, Chronz, were Raps fans really trying to argue Bargs being a top 5 center? :laugh:

GodsSon
08-08-2011, 10:42 PM
Can anyone come up with a better reason because last I checked Bynum has been in the league for years and hes only now gotten the #2 spot. Also since when is it wrong to vote for the most statistically impressive player who brings the defensive intangibles he does? I mean this is no where near what Raps fans did a few years back when they united together to vote Bargs in the top5, now THAT was homerism at its finest.

What good is anything he provides if he's never on the court to actually DO IT. Duncan should have gotten the 2nd spot, with Bogut leading the charge in the 3rd place voting IMO. I can live with Bynum in the top 5 (even with all of his injuries), but as the second best centre in the league? no way.

Hellcrooner
08-08-2011, 10:45 PM
patience patience.

GodsSon
08-08-2011, 10:46 PM
patience patience.

For Jonas Valanciunas to come to the NBA and be 2nd on this poll? lol

Hellcrooner
08-08-2011, 10:56 PM
btw.

why does Tim duncan get bailed out from the TOUGHER PF selections?

i mean im pretty damm sure that in 09 and 10 Pau gasol had to battle for the PF selection when he INDEED pLAYED 90% of the season at CENTER covering up the eternal injuries of Andrew BUMKNEEnum

Cal827
08-08-2011, 11:59 PM
:facepalm: to the one guy who voted for Bargnani... and this is from a Raptor fan lol

naps
08-09-2011, 12:24 AM
Tim Duncan. He should have been #2. I would take him even at this stage 100 times out of 100 times over any center not named Dwight.

Chronz
08-09-2011, 12:30 AM
What good is anything he provides if he's never on the court to actually DO IT. Duncan should have gotten the 2nd spot, with Bogut leading the charge in the 3rd place voting IMO
Because he is on the court to actually do it, I mean look at your selections. You voted for Bogut, a guy with his own injury troubles, the only difference is that Bynum at least comes back to speed whereas Boguts injuries hinder his performance and have recently forced him to miss the playoffs twice now. Then Duncan has an argument but based on his post season play his time may have come and gone.


. I can live with Bynum in the top 5 (even with all of his injuries), but as the second best centre in the league? no way.
Its pretty easy IMO, hes too productive and impactful on the defensive end to fault him for freak injuries.



I can live with Bynum getting #2. The center position is in the toilet this time around anyway after Dwight Howard. I just tend to value a bigger sample size, and a sample size bigger than 50 or so games.

Also, Chronz, were Raps fans really trying to argue Bargs being a top 5 center? :laugh:
Check out the prior selections, if you look at those threads you have me foretelling his struggles and Bynums resurgence.

Chronz
08-09-2011, 12:35 AM
btw.

why does Tim duncan get bailed out from the TOUGHER PF selections?

i mean im pretty damm sure that in 09 and 10 Pau gasol had to battle for the PF selection when he INDEED pLAYED 90% of the season at CENTER covering up the eternal injuries of Andrew BUMKNEEnum
Good question but it prolly has to do with the fact that Pau is at his best at the 4 where he doesnt have to worry about defending bruisers whereas Duncan is primarily a Center now and lacks the quickness to cover the 4 full time.

Chronz
08-09-2011, 12:43 AM
Tim Duncan. He should have been #2. I would take him even at this stage 100 times out of 100 times over any center not named Dwight.

Even after his pathetic playoff run?

Rose-For-Prez
08-09-2011, 01:08 AM
Noah

Gators123
08-09-2011, 01:25 AM
Noah

Come back after #5.

naps
08-09-2011, 01:39 AM
Even after his pathetic playoff run?

Yes, playoffs are a small size compare to 82 game regular season. He produced 14/9/2 over the season with a limited role (28 mpg). And his defense is still stellar. I can't think of anyone who I would take over him to play my center except Dwight. (These stats look poor because his name is Tim Duncan. But forget his name for a second and think about these stats and his effect on D).

Chronz
08-09-2011, 01:50 AM
Yes, playoffs are a small size compare to 82 game regular season.
I suppose, most people dont take this route and claim the playoffs mean everything but if it becomes a trend its clearly a sign of something and personally I find this to be his 2nd underwhelming post season in a row and 3rd in 4 years. I dont want to look into every series hes been a part of the last 4 years but looking at the total stats it does seem his level of play has declined once the post season arrives, and after having what you described as a limited role all year and then struggling to step up for the moments your team saved you for doesnt bode well for him.

Maybe he needs to start having 50 game seasons like Bynum I dunno. Either way I think its a decent argument, aside from Duncan there is no one else.


He produced 14/9/2 over the season with a limited role (28 mpg). And his defense is still stellar.
Defensively Bynum smashes on Duncan, its Duncans offensive intangibles that make it a fair comparison. He may not be able to finish as well as Bynum in that limited role but he reads defenses way better than Bynum, sets great picks and can spread the floor better.

Cal827
08-09-2011, 06:27 PM
I can live with Bynum getting #2. The center position is in the toilet this time around anyway after Dwight Howard. I just tend to value a bigger sample size, and a sample size bigger than 50 or so games.

Also, Chronz, were Raps fans really trying to argue Bargs being a top 5 center? :laugh:

LOL of course. It's so clear that he's a top 5 center that we are going after Chandler and drafted JV in order to back him up lol: :rolleyes:

HELL NO! Having Barfnani as Center makes you truly appreciate the things that Dwight Howard can do.