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Mile High Champ
08-04-2011, 10:28 AM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last three years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. Its is now that time to vote! I would like to start this up once more considering the NBA season is now over and we can get to this discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 2 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best.

1) Dwight Howard
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2010 Off-Season C Rankings

1) Dwight Howard
2) Yao Ming
3) Andrew Bogut
4) Brook Lopez
5) Andrew Bynum
6) Marc Gasol
7) Joakim Noah
8) Al Horford
9) Al Jefferson
10) Chris Kaman

2009 Off-Season C Rankings

1) Dwight Howard
2) Yao Ming
3) Al Jefferson
4) Shaquille O'Neal
5) Andrea Bargnani
6) Andris Biedrins
7) Emeka Okafor
8) Nene
9) Brook Lopez
10) Andrew Bynum

2008 Off-Season C Rankings:

1) Dwight Howard
2) Yao Ming
3) Al Jefferson
4) Andrew Bynum
5) Chris Kaman
6) Tyson Chandler
7) Shaquille O'Neal
8) Marcus Camby
9) Jermaine O'neal
10) Andrew Bogut

haggis
08-04-2011, 10:33 AM
Where's the Joel Anthony option?

Mile High Champ
08-04-2011, 10:33 AM
Dwight and Yao have gone 1-2 every time but this year that will all change.

Mile High Champ
08-04-2011, 10:37 AM
Advanced statistics comparing the best 6 guys on the poll (my opinion)


Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Andrew Bynum 2010-11 23 54 1500 21.1 .606 .574 13.3 24.7 19.2 7.7 0.7 5.4 12.8 17.6 121 100 3.8 2.8 6.6 0.210
2 Tyson Chandler 2010-11 28 74 2059 18.4 .697 .654 12.2 26.6 19.7 2.4 0.9 3.0 14.1 14.2 131 102 5.8 3.5 9.4 0.218
3 Tim Duncan 2010-11 34 76 2156 21.9 .537 .500 9.3 26.8 18.3 15.7 1.2 4.8 11.4 22.9 111 100 3.7 4.0 7.7 0.171
4 Marc Gasol 2010-11 26 81 2586 16.8 .580 .529 7.1 19.4 13.1 11.6 1.5 4.3 15.1 16.9 113 103 4.0 3.9 7.9 0.146
5 Nene Hilario 2010-11 28 75 2291 20.4 .657 .615 7.5 20.8 14.4 10.4 1.8 2.4 13.9 18.8 123 104 6.4 3.1 9.6 0.201
6 Al Horford 2010-11 24 77 2704 20.7 .587 .558 8.2 23.7 16.0 17.5 1.2 2.3 10.6 19.7 118 105 6.4 3.7 10.1 0.179

Mile High Champ
08-04-2011, 10:39 AM
Duncan has my vote. Yes he is slowing down but he remains a great defender and good complimentary player at this point in his career and I would rather him than anyone else on this list. Chandler is a close 3 though.

Mishmin
08-04-2011, 10:39 AM
I can only put Dwight Howard higher than a healthy Bynum

Khalifa21
08-04-2011, 10:40 AM
I went with Horford but arguments can be made for 5/6 guys...


Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 Andrew Bogut 2010-11 26 65 65 35.3 5.6 11.4 .495 0.0 0.1 .000 1.5 3.3 .442 3.1 8.0 11.1 2.0 0.7 2.6 1.9 3.3 12.8
2 Andrew Bynum 2010-11 23 54 47 27.8 4.4 7.6 .574 0.0 0.0 2.6 3.9 .660 3.1 6.3 9.4 1.4 0.4 2.0 1.4 2.6 11.3
3 Tim Duncan 2010-11 34 76 76 28.4 5.5 11.0 .500 0.0 0.1 .000 2.4 3.4 .716 2.2 6.7 8.9 2.7 0.7 1.9 1.6 1.6 13.4
4 Marc Gasol 2010-11 26 81 81 31.9 4.5 8.5 .527 0.0 0.1 .429 2.7 3.6 .748 1.9 5.1 7.0 2.5 0.9 1.7 1.8 3.3 11.7
5 Al Horford 2010-11 24 77 77 35.1 6.7 12.0 .557 0.0 0.1 .500 1.9 2.4 .798 2.4 7.0 9.3 3.5 0.8 1.0 1.5 2.5 15.3
6 Joakim Noah 2010-11 25 48 48 32.8 4.4 8.4 .525 0.0 0.0 .000 2.9 3.9 .739 3.8 6.6 10.4 2.2 1.0 1.5 1.9 3.3 11.7


Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Andrew Bogut 2010-11 26 65 2297 16.7 .496 .495 9.8 27.1 18.3 10.4 1.1 5.8 13.0 19.6 100 97 0.3 5.1 5.4 0.112
2 Andrew Bynum 2010-11 23 54 1500 21.1 .606 .574 13.3 24.7 19.2 7.7 0.7 5.4 12.8 17.6 121 100 3.8 2.8 6.6 0.210
3 Tim Duncan 2010-11 34 76 2156 21.9 .537 .500 9.3 26.8 18.3 15.7 1.2 4.8 11.4 22.9 111 100 3.7 4.0 7.7 0.171
4 Marc Gasol 2010-11 26 81 2586 16.8 .580 .529 7.1 19.4 13.1 11.6 1.5 4.3 15.1 16.9 113 103 4.0 3.9 7.9 0.146
5 Al Horford 2010-11 24 77 2704 20.7 .587 .558 8.2 23.7 16.0 17.5 1.2 2.3 10.6 19.7 118 105 6.4 3.7 10.1 0.179
6 Joakim Noah 2010-11 25 48 1576 18.8 .579 .525 13.9 22.8 18.5 10.7 1.6 3.5 15.7 16.8 117 97 3.1 3.6 6.7 0.205

Mile High Champ
08-04-2011, 10:46 AM
I went with Horford but arguments can be made for 5/6 guys...


Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 Andrew Bogut 2010-11 26 65 65 35.3 5.6 11.4 .495 0.0 0.1 .000 1.5 3.3 .442 3.1 8.0 11.1 2.0 0.7 2.6 1.9 3.3 12.8
2 Andrew Bynum 2010-11 23 54 47 27.8 4.4 7.6 .574 0.0 0.0 2.6 3.9 .660 3.1 6.3 9.4 1.4 0.4 2.0 1.4 2.6 11.3
3 Tim Duncan 2010-11 34 76 76 28.4 5.5 11.0 .500 0.0 0.1 .000 2.4 3.4 .716 2.2 6.7 8.9 2.7 0.7 1.9 1.6 1.6 13.4
4 Marc Gasol 2010-11 26 81 81 31.9 4.5 8.5 .527 0.0 0.1 .429 2.7 3.6 .748 1.9 5.1 7.0 2.5 0.9 1.7 1.8 3.3 11.7
5 Al Horford 2010-11 24 77 77 35.1 6.7 12.0 .557 0.0 0.1 .500 1.9 2.4 .798 2.4 7.0 9.3 3.5 0.8 1.0 1.5 2.5 15.3
6 Joakim Noah 2010-11 25 48 48 32.8 4.4 8.4 .525 0.0 0.0 .000 2.9 3.9 .739 3.8 6.6 10.4 2.2 1.0 1.5 1.9 3.3 11.7


Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Andrew Bogut 2010-11 26 65 2297 16.7 .496 .495 9.8 27.1 18.3 10.4 1.1 5.8 13.0 19.6 100 97 0.3 5.1 5.4 0.112
2 Andrew Bynum 2010-11 23 54 1500 21.1 .606 .574 13.3 24.7 19.2 7.7 0.7 5.4 12.8 17.6 121 100 3.8 2.8 6.6 0.210
3 Tim Duncan 2010-11 34 76 2156 21.9 .537 .500 9.3 26.8 18.3 15.7 1.2 4.8 11.4 22.9 111 100 3.7 4.0 7.7 0.171
4 Marc Gasol 2010-11 26 81 2586 16.8 .580 .529 7.1 19.4 13.1 11.6 1.5 4.3 15.1 16.9 113 103 4.0 3.9 7.9 0.146
5 Al Horford 2010-11 24 77 2704 20.7 .587 .558 8.2 23.7 16.0 17.5 1.2 2.3 10.6 19.7 118 105 6.4 3.7 10.1 0.179
6 Joakim Noah 2010-11 25 48 1576 18.8 .579 .525 13.9 22.8 18.5 10.7 1.6 3.5 15.7 16.8 117 97 3.1 3.6 6.7 0.205

Noah does not belong in this group. Where is Nene?

LakersIn5
08-04-2011, 11:17 AM
duncan is the best PF to play. but he is registered as a C? yeah he may play center at times. but he is still basically a PF.

i vote for bynum

-Kobe24-TJ19-
08-04-2011, 11:18 AM
bynum

sixer04fan
08-04-2011, 11:19 AM
Yikes, this is gonna be a tough 2-10 rankings i can already tell...

Mile High Champ
08-04-2011, 11:25 AM
duncan is the best PF to play. but he is registered as a C? yeah he may play center at times. but he is still basically a PF.

i vote for bynum

He started there for almost all last season.

Will 2 BE
08-04-2011, 11:31 AM
Andrew Bynum by default

tcav701
08-04-2011, 11:42 AM
Call me crazy but I honestly think Marc Gasol is the most complete player of this group.

GoPacers33
08-04-2011, 11:44 AM
Duncan is a PF. big Roy all the way

GhostfaceDrilla
08-04-2011, 11:48 AM
Tyson Chandler. Turned the Mavs from a 1st round exit to a Championship Team. Of course Dirk was the reason but Chandler was the missing piece.

Avenged
08-04-2011, 11:50 AM
Bynum. I've defended him as being the #2 Center in the game before, and i'll do it here if it becomes a necessity. :p

Chronz
08-04-2011, 11:51 AM
LOL at people still calling Duncan a PF, let me guess 6"6 Blair and 3PT specialist Bonner are truer Centers than Duncan, how about McDyess, a guy who was known as a PF his entire career, he too was a Center while Duncan (the tallest guy on the team who jumps center during tip off, while defending opposing centers and in turn being defended by them) hes the one you want to label a PF?

Wake up people, he hasnt been a primary PF for YEARS. Hes the best choice here though, best combination of reliability, winning and performance. Bynum can be the best but Im not sold on Tyson. He probably had the best year but he seems more dependent on others to get him playing at this level.

beasted86
08-04-2011, 11:51 AM
I could only expect laker fans voting bynum. he didn't even average a double double yet he's trying to get voted at the second best center in the nba.

Chronz
08-04-2011, 11:53 AM
Tyson Chandler. Turned the Mavs from a 1st round exit to a Championship Team. Of course Dirk was the reason but Chandler was the missing piece.

So? Dirk was the reason they won, without Dirk, Chandler isnt the missing piece is he? So your basically saying Chandler is the next best center because of Dirk.

Chronz
08-04-2011, 11:58 AM
I could only expect laker fans voting bynum. he didn't even average a double double yet he's trying to get voted at the second best center in the nba.
Since your the one trying to allude to bias from Laker fans can you answer this question reasonably, why would I care about whether or not he averaged a double-double? When it comes to statistics, when you see a couple in this thread alone that are FAR more telling than the statistic you mentioned, why does your arbitrary measure matter?

I remember hearing this argument when Yao was the best in the league. People wanted to go with Dwight because of his double-double dominance neglecting to mention that 25-9 can be > 19-12 depending on efficiency.

YoungOne
08-04-2011, 12:16 PM
Call me crazy but I honestly think Marc Gasol is the most complete player of this group.

this for me.

beasted86
08-04-2011, 12:23 PM
Since your the one trying to allude to bias from Laker fans can you answer this question reasonably, why would I care about whether or not he averaged a double-double? When it comes to statistics, when you see a couple in this thread alone that are FAR more telling than the statistic you mentioned, why does your arbitrary measure matter?

I remember hearing this argument when Yao was the best in the league. People wanted to go with Dwight because of his double-double dominance neglecting to mention that 25-9 can be > 19-12 depending on efficiency.

The actual figure of 10 rebounds vs. 9 is not that important. But I think players who's primary role is just to rebound, block shots, and defend should be averaging double figure rebounds.

Anyway, Bynum is overrated for reasons beyond not averaging exactly 10 rebounds.

SteBO
08-04-2011, 12:28 PM
Call me crazy but I honestly think Marc Gasol is the most complete player of this group.
I actually agree with you.

SteBO
08-04-2011, 12:31 PM
I went Duncan though.

THE GIPPER
08-04-2011, 12:31 PM
Wow i thought bogut would have way more votes

beasted86
08-04-2011, 12:37 PM
I gotta say this... Al Jefferson is severely underrated here. Not saying he should have won this poll, but he has 2 of the 54 votes so far

2011 stat line: 18.6 PPG / 9.7 REB / 1.9 BLK / 50%

avon_barksdale
08-04-2011, 12:39 PM
tyson, but could be bnynum

beasted86
08-04-2011, 12:45 PM
My question to the people voting Bynum over Duncan:

Do you think the Spurs would have been better this season if Duncan and Bynum swapped places? Also, vice versa... do you think the Lakers become worse putting Duncan next to Pau?

Swashcuff
08-04-2011, 12:46 PM
Duncan is a PF. big Roy all the way

How could someone honestly say Roy Hibbert after the garbage he played as last season progressed. You guys are honestly the worst kind of homers there is bro. Seriously? Smh.

Swashcuff
08-04-2011, 12:52 PM
I mistakenly chose Bogut but I'm going with the man who I think is arguably the most overrated player in the league Andrew Bynum. By today's standards he's a great 2 way player at the C position with one of the most complete offensive repertoires around. Placed in the right position and healthy over the entire course of a season I can see Bynum becoming a 18, 11 and 3 big man in the not too distant future.

Health for Bynum (and 90% of the NBA Cs) is key. TD has just as strong a case here as Bynum however and I won't fault anyone for taking him or even Al Horford here at 2.

Swashcuff
08-04-2011, 12:56 PM
I gotta say this... Al Jefferson is severely underrated here. Not saying he should have won this poll, but he has 2 of the 54 votes so far

2011 stat line: 18.6 PPG / 9.7 REB / 1.9 BLK / 50%

Didn't Al Jefferson lead the Wolves to 15 wins a couple years ago? Based of your Kevin Love theory Al Jefferson is actually overrated.

tredigs
08-04-2011, 12:56 PM
This is a disgusting list of #2 centers! We all know it's bad in the block in today's NBA, but when it's all laid out here like this, yikes... I can't even bring myself to vote for one of them as a #2.

I'll be back at #5; that's the highest I can vote for any of them.

beasted86
08-04-2011, 01:00 PM
Didn't Al Jefferson lead the Wolves to 15 wins a couple years ago? Based of your Kevin Love theory Al Jefferson is actually overrated.

You need to re-read what I posted. I even admited he's not the 2nd best Center.

The clear cut difference is you stat junkies were willing to start your argument for Love no sooner than the #3 PF voting, downing any arguments against it... and some were even willing to start voting for him at #2. :facepalm:

Go find the poll thread if you don't believe me.

haggis
08-04-2011, 01:00 PM
The Big Fundamental for me.

ewmania
08-04-2011, 01:05 PM
i choose bynum... my next vote is going to Bogut, he's the 3rd most dominate C in the league handsdown

he plays both sides of the court at a high level

ewmania
08-04-2011, 01:07 PM
funny, duncan is up here but no kendrick perkins??

when he's actually a Center and maybe the best defensive center after dwight

beasted86
08-04-2011, 01:08 PM
funny, duncan is up here but no kendrick perkins??

when he's actually a Center and maybe the best defensive center after dwight

1 on 1 post defense, maybe... overall defense, not at all

Swashcuff
08-04-2011, 01:09 PM
You need to re-read what I posted. I even admited he's not the 2nd best Center.

The clear cut difference is you stat junkies were willing to start your argument for Love no sooner than the #3 PF voting, downing any arguments against it... and some were even willing to start voting for him at #2. :facepalm:

Go find the poll thread if you don't believe me.

Smh.

You call me a stat junkie but you based your argument solely on stats. :confused:

I never disputed what you said about being #2 or not. What I did say however is that by you reasoning he is overrated, if you are just going to use stats. I never disputed your positioning.

Swashcuff
08-04-2011, 01:11 PM
i choose bynum... my next vote is going to Bogut, he's the 3rd most dominate C in the league handsdown

he plays both sides of the court at a high level

I think you need to go watch Bucks games from last season. If you still think Bogut is good on offense you are sadly mistaken. Bogut was my pick last year at #2 but he has regressed too much offensively to still be chosen at 2. Defensively however he is that good not overall after what he displayed on offense last season.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
08-04-2011, 01:14 PM
I gotta say this... Al Jefferson is severely underrated here. Not saying he should have won this poll, but he has 2 of the 54 votes so far

2011 stat line: 18.6 PPG / 9.7 REB / 1.9 BLK / 50%

terrible defender

Sportfan
08-04-2011, 01:14 PM
Horford easily, he wont win because of the homers though

beasted86
08-04-2011, 01:14 PM
Smh.

You call me a stat junkie but you based your argument solely on stats. :confused:

I never disputed what you said about being #2 or not. What I did say however is that by you reasoning he is overrated, if you are just going to use stats. I never disputed your positioning.

I don't only look at stats... disregarding stats, I think Jefferson is possibly the most skilled low post scorer in the NBA. He has an arsenal of post moves only rivaled by Duncan and Randolph. Howard is the best scorer there, but not as skilled as those 3.

My only point was that for all the stat junkies like you running around, I thought he'd have more of the 60+ votes now... but whatever, I don't have time to argue with you.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
08-04-2011, 01:15 PM
funny, duncan is up here but no kendrick perkins??

when he's actually a Center and maybe the best defensive center after dwight

perkins is overrtated as a defender, has no offensive game and plays like 20 minutes a game lol.

ewmania
08-04-2011, 01:24 PM
perkins is overrtated as a defender, has no offensive game and plays like 20 minutes a game lol.

....

but yet celtics post defense dropped and thunders went up at a high rate

i dont think we are talking about the same perkins

ewmania
08-04-2011, 01:26 PM
I think you need to go watch Bucks games from last season. If you still think Bogut is good on offense you are sadly mistaken. Bogut was my pick last year at #2 but he has regressed too much offensively to still be chosen at 2. Defensively however he is that good not overall after what he displayed on offense last season.

your right about the first comment his offense dropped, but then again he plays with a PG who can't create shots for others

but bogut has a bigger impact on the defensive end than the offensive end

Sadds The Gr8
08-04-2011, 01:30 PM
Didn't Al Jefferson lead the Wolves to 15 wins a couple years ago? Based of your Kevin Love theory Al Jefferson is actually overrated.

Was gonna say the same damn thing to him.

Raph12
08-04-2011, 01:31 PM
When healthy, easily Bynum...

Raps08-09 Champ
08-04-2011, 01:36 PM
Wow. I protest to remove that piece of **** Bynum out of here.

Play some games without getting injured every year before you can be called 2nd best.

Swashcuff
08-04-2011, 01:37 PM
your right about the first comment his offense dropped, but then again he plays with a PG who can't create shots for others

but bogut has a bigger impact on the defensive end than the offensive end

Last season on offense Bogut was a non factor because he was just that a non factor. He was not assertive, he did not display any form of willingness to attempt to score the ball on a consistent basis, IMO he was a bit slower than years past (injuries maybe catching up to him) around the basket and really didn't seem comfortable a lot of the time in the offensive scheme.

I don't really see Jennings being that big of an issue. I mean after all the year before many said Jennings was the main reason for him having arguably his best offensive season in the league. IMO its mostly on Bogut as to why he struggled so much on that side of the floor.

Raps08-09 Champ
08-04-2011, 01:38 PM
When healthy, easily Bynum...

Seriously?

If Duncan didn't have to worry about getting injured and preserving himself for the playoffs, he'd be killing it still.

Sadds The Gr8
08-04-2011, 01:39 PM
Seriously?

If Duncan didn't have to worry about getting injured and preserving himself for the playoffs, he'd be killing it still.

then why didnt he do anything in the playoffs?

raiderNlakerfan
08-04-2011, 01:39 PM
The big band-aid!!! Andrew mutha effin bynum

LTBaByyy
08-04-2011, 01:46 PM
Bynum then Chandler

So close between the 2

Avenged
08-04-2011, 01:48 PM
Funny how Bynum is the only one considered injury prone despite the majority of these Centers being mentioned or the ones who are on the poll are injury prone as well. Double standards.

Raps08-09 Champ
08-04-2011, 01:49 PM
then why didnt he do anything in the playoffs?

He got outplayed. Where was Bynum? Same thing.

I'm just saying if you're using a Bynum who doesn't have to worry about being injured, should be the same for Duncan.

Raps08-09 Champ
08-04-2011, 01:52 PM
Funny how Bynum is the only one considered injury prone despite the majority of these Centers being mentioned or the ones who are on the poll are injury prone as well. Double standards.

Funny how even when Bynum is healthy and everyone else is looked as being healthy, he's still not the best C and yet he's leading the poll. Stupid voting.

LTBaByyy
08-04-2011, 01:54 PM
Duncan has more votes than Tyson Chandler??????

Haha did anyone watch last season.

D 12
Bynum
Chandler
Horford
Noah
Gasol
Duncan
Bogut
Jefferson
Lopez

Is my top 10 going off on RIGHT NOW

pd1dish
08-04-2011, 01:55 PM
i think its funny that Bynum is winning this poll because i thought the rule was "this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best." he is all potential at this point in his career. when he can stay relatively injury free and put together a solid season, then ill be ready to say hes the 2nd best center in the league if his play is at a high level, but until he proves he can do that, he probably falls to 3 or 4 on my list.

hes definitely got the POTENTIAL to be a great player, but hes not there yet.

Mc Uncle Cola
08-04-2011, 01:55 PM
How can u put the words "Healthy" and "Bynum" in the same sentance

YoungOne
08-04-2011, 01:56 PM
Duncan has more votes than Tyson Chandler??????

Haha did anyone watch last season.

D 12
Bynum
Chandler
Horford
Noah
Duncan
Bogut
Jefferson
Okafor
Lopez
Gortat

Is my top 10 going off on RIGHT NOW

Gasol not in your top 10? :D

Mc Uncle Cola
08-04-2011, 01:56 PM
duncan isnt even a center

Chacarron
08-04-2011, 01:56 PM
Bynum is the 2nd best center. Even when he is not fully healthy and not playing 30+ MPG, he puts up good numbers on outstanding efficiency.

Mc Uncle Cola
08-04-2011, 01:58 PM
Brook Lopez hasnt missed a game since he entered the league

VCaintdead17
08-04-2011, 02:05 PM
You're a fool if you think Bynum is better than Horford.

VCaintdead17
08-04-2011, 02:10 PM
Although Bynum does have a beast WS/48, so I guess it's possible. I just can't comfortably choose someone who averages 50 games a season.

LTBaByyy
08-04-2011, 02:11 PM
Gasol not in your top 10? :D

Oh shoot hahahahah

Bout to Edit

tcav701
08-04-2011, 02:15 PM
Brook Lopez hasnt missed a game since he entered the league

And yet he only shows up for half of them.

kdspurman
08-04-2011, 02:41 PM
then why didnt he do anything in the playoffs?


He actually did do something in the playoffs. He had to guard Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol since he's the Spurs best defender. Bynum had his hands full with Aaron Gray & Emeka Okafor

The basic stats show they are pretty much similar, so if you're going to say why didnt tim do anything in the playoffs, then the same question can be ask for bynum.


FT% MP PTS TRB AST

.833 32.0 14.4 9.6 0.8 (Bynum)
.625 35.3 12.7 10.5 2.7 (Duncan)

Baller1
08-04-2011, 02:47 PM
Horford.

Rafer17
08-04-2011, 02:51 PM
Duncan is a Power Forward

Chronz
08-04-2011, 02:58 PM
My question to the people voting Bynum over Duncan:

Do you think the Spurs would have been better this season if Duncan and Bynum swapped places? Also, vice versa... do you think the Lakers become worse putting Duncan next to Pau?
The more I think about it the more Im convinced the answer is a resounding yes in favor of Bynum



He got outplayed. Where was Bynum? Same thing.
Clearly not the same thing, Duncan couldnt stop anyone 1 on 1 and struggled from a team concept. Bynum struggled to shut down the paint against Dallas but he dominated his individual matchup from Day 1. He made Emeka look like a joke and he would have done the same to Marc.


He actually did do something in the playoffs. He had to guard Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol since he's the Spurs best defender. Bynum had his hands full with Aaron Gray & Emeka Okafor

The basic stats show they are pretty much similar, so if you're going to say why didnt tim do anything in the playoffs, then the same question can be ask for bynum.


FT% MP PTS TRB AST

.833 32.0 14.4 9.6 0.8 (Bynum)
.625 35.3 12.7 10.5 2.7 (Duncan)
I dont think the basic stats favor Duncan, even your incomplete ones. But more importantly, who cares. The advanced stats show a more complete picture, Duncan couldnt finish and was ridiculously inefficient (94 Off.RTG) couldnt crash the boards as well.

Chronz
08-04-2011, 02:59 PM
Duncan is a Power Forward

And Rafer Alson is still in the league

Lake_Show2416
08-04-2011, 03:04 PM
Andrew Bynum

Jetsguy
08-04-2011, 03:11 PM
my pick rhymes with shmoney shmuriaf

Antipod
08-04-2011, 03:16 PM
For me, it was between Marc and Bynum .. i chose Gasol, `cause he`s healthy

Rafer17
08-04-2011, 03:22 PM
And Rafer Alson is still in the league

And that post was irrelevant

-Kobe24-TJ19-
08-04-2011, 03:38 PM
He got outplayed. Where was Bynum? Same thing.

I'm just saying if you're using a Bynum who doesn't have to worry about being injured, should be the same for Duncan.

bynum was the second best players in the playoffs maybe even the best on the lakers.

Hellcrooner
08-04-2011, 03:45 PM
i guess people has forgotten

1 that duncan is on his twilight, and shouldnt be ranked ahead of the player that busted his *** in the playoffs.

2 people forgot the dont be a homer thing from Op, no other logic explanation, i mean drew may be the second best center, for the whooping 15 games a season he plays.l

LanceUpperCut
08-04-2011, 03:52 PM
Al Horford is the most underrated center for sure, but to me it's still between Bogut and Horford for second. Bogut had a bad year offensively in 10-11 but his D is still great. He also had some injury problems.

Catfish1314
08-04-2011, 05:31 PM
bynum was the second best players in the playoffs maybe even the best on the lakers

A whole ten games? Give him a trophy then.


Al Horford is the most underrated center for sure, but to me it's still between Bogut and Horford for second. Bogut had a bad year offensively in 10-11 but his D is still great. He also had some injury problems.

Agreed.

Al Horford, while best suited at PF, has been a two-way center with 14-15 and 9-10 numbers for the last three seasons. He's also underutilized in Atlanta (19.7 USG% compared to 26.3 and 24.7 for Joe Johnson and Josh Smith respectively). He's also a fantastic passer/ball handler for a big man and is one of maybe three or four players in the league who can push the break at his size.

I will say that a 100 percent Andrew Bynum is the second best center in the league, but he tears something in his knee if you look at him funny. His fragility makes him something of a joke. Even when he is "healthy", he's horribly foul prone and can't stay on the floor for more than 25-30 minutes a night. I'd be happy to argue those points with any severely biased Laker fan who believes otherwise.

And for anyone who says Andrew Bogut is injury prone, he broke his arm on a freak play. Bynum is a 7 footer with a very serious knee history. Totally different situation.

Lake_Show2416
08-04-2011, 06:13 PM
A whole ten games? Give him a trophy then.

no worries, he already has 2

alencp3
08-04-2011, 07:00 PM
i went with duncan
and nene definitely deserves more than 2 votes
and u guys keep talking about healthy bynum, if we can go like that, than healthy oden would be the 2nd best center in the league
too bad both of them are never healthy

Evolution23
08-04-2011, 07:10 PM
Bynum is clearly the 2nd best Center and Duncan is a PF.

DoMeFavors
08-04-2011, 07:15 PM
Since people always bring up that Lopez cant rebound what about Marc Gasol?

THE MTL
08-04-2011, 07:36 PM
If anyone ever seen Duncan play, they will understand why he is listed as a center in this thread.

And I dont know why Al Horford isnt running away with second place. 2-time allstar and he actually plays CENTER for the Hawks. Yes, he is a true PF but he has been playing center since he came into the league

THE MTL
08-04-2011, 07:40 PM
Since people always bring up that Lopez cant rebound what about Marc Gasol?

About the same career average in rebounding.....Big difference between Marc Gasol and Brook Lopez is that Gasol has 'Zach Randolph'. That guy is GOBBLES up rebounds including defensive, offensive, and even from teammates (I've seen it).

The_Pharouh
08-04-2011, 07:47 PM
Bogut

JNA17
08-04-2011, 07:59 PM
Even an injured Bynum is still better then pretty much the names listed there (which really shows a real decline in centers over the years). Seriously there is no reasonable argument against it. When he's healthy, he would be almost as dominate if not as dominate as Dwight Howard.

Jewelz0376
08-04-2011, 07:59 PM
I went with Gasol...I wanted to go Bynum and I believe when healthy Bynum is the 2nd best..but he is still too injury prone..The best ability is availability... I'd need to see a season of at least 65-70 games before I can put him as the 2nd best C...

sixer04fan
08-04-2011, 08:22 PM
Damn, these rankings are almost over? This is gonna be a long offseason... Can we do top 15 after this? Or coaches? This is pretty much the only thread that keeps me, and many others, in the NBA forum these days.

NBA-GMaster
08-04-2011, 09:24 PM
WTF, Bynum is winning?? Bogut and Horford got better stats than him..

D-Will4Prez
08-04-2011, 09:34 PM
Bynum with 41 votes?? WTF? How the hell is 11/9 the 2nd best Center in the NBA? :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Hellcrooner
08-04-2011, 09:38 PM
^ because most lakers fans drink their own coolaid.

sadly, it gives a bad image to the rest of us.

Catfish1314
08-04-2011, 10:39 PM
WTF, Bynum is winning?? Bogut and Horford got better stats than him..

I could understand Bynum at 2nd if he wasn't so breakable. But with all the talent Greg Oden has, he would be 2nd or 3rd if he wasn't so fragile himself.

I would rather have Bogut, Horford, and even Duncan over Bynum. Duncan's offense has certainly regressed but he's still a superb interior defender and I don't see him missing 30-40 games a year on damaged knees.

Chronz
08-05-2011, 01:23 AM
And that post was irrelevant

Agreed, I was inspired by the quality of your post, it wasnt hard to match it

PatsSoxKnicks
08-05-2011, 01:46 AM
Don't really want to vote any of these Centers at #2. Like tredigs said, the quality of Centers is in the toilet. Every one of them has some serious issues. Bynum, I guess has the most complete package but he's injured so damn often.

Cal827
08-05-2011, 02:35 AM
I'm sorry, this poll is irrelevant.... I don't see Kwame, Darko, or Curry! WTF is this bull****?

lol just kidding I went with Duncan (although I thought he was predominately PF from the twin tower days) ... followed up by Bogut.... there's no way that an overrated, 300 pound child with tantrum issues should be voted in before a player that will likely go down as one of the GOAT

marj987
08-05-2011, 03:42 AM
:facepalm: to the Lakers fans picking Bynum, let's be real here Bogut is clearly number 2 here, no need to to pick someone who was stated to obliterate Chandler in the 2nd round of the playoffs, until that statement got backfired on him and lets not forget to mention this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBfvmJIxwPQ

DR_1
08-05-2011, 10:08 AM
I voted Bogut, because to me, Duncan is still a PF. When Bogut's healthy, he gets like 20 ppg.

cbbeefy8
08-05-2011, 11:48 AM
No Greg Oden as a poll option?

-Kobe24-TJ19-
08-05-2011, 12:12 PM
No Greg Oden as a poll option?

will he ever play again?

Slimsim
08-05-2011, 12:40 PM
i like Al horford at Number 2

B'sCeltsPatsSox
08-05-2011, 12:49 PM
How the **** did Bynum get voted at this spot? Oh wait yeah the Lakers homers on this site. It should have been Horford here.

Hustlenomics
08-05-2011, 01:18 PM
lmao @ bynum

SteBO
08-05-2011, 01:25 PM
This poll is messed up already, but the center position after Dwight is laughable at best when you compare. If anyone should have won this poll, it should have been either Horford or maybe Bogut. I could even argue Marc Gasol here as well.

Avenged
08-05-2011, 01:59 PM
Interesting.

Despite Bynum being the most efficient of the bunch and the better defender, it's laughable if he gets this spot? Hmm..

Out of Horford, Gasol, Bogut, and Duncan, Duncan and Bynum are at the top in PER. TS%? Bynum. eFG%? Bynum. Rebounding %? Bynum. Offensive rating? Bynum. He also has a massive defensive presence in the paint, and a variety set of post moves.

Are Horford' extra 4 points (15) than Bynum really that much more impressive considering he has a bigger role in Atlanta & that's all he manages? Is Boguts 1+ point that much to put him ahead of Bynum despite Bynum leading him in everything else?

Marc Gasol? Based off what exactly? The worst season of his career? 11 points, 7 rebounds, and shoots the ball at a lower percentage..

Look at their playoff #'s?



Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
Bynum 2010-11 23 10 320 20.6 .596 .543 13.2 25.1 18.8 4.6 0.9 3.9 14.2 20.9 116 107 0.7 0.3 1.0 0.154
Duncan 2010-11 34 6 212 15.5 .500 .478 8.6 26.4 17.3 14.1 0.7 5.1 19.1 20.8 94 102 -0.1 0.3 0.2 0.053
Gasol 2010-11 26 13 519 18.9 .563 .511 8.9 23.8 16.2 9.4 1.4 4.5 13.1 17.5 113 102 0.9 0.8 1.7 0.153
Horford 2010-11 24 12 468 13.3 .458 .423 6.5 23.1 14.9 16.0 0.6 2.2 10.3 17.3 100 104 0.1 0.6 0.7 0.070

Bynum's the only one who remained on par with his regular season. Marc Went up a bit as well, but not better than Bynum's playoffs performance.

Hellcrooner
08-05-2011, 02:12 PM
^ except marc got that numbers even if being overlooked by teamates with much less touches and their postseason was a succes.

whilst Our postseason was a ****ing piece of crap and one of the motives for it being crap is bynum taking too many shots and thinking he is entitled to be the man, thanks to mr jimmy " freddo corleone" buss.

VCaintdead17
08-05-2011, 03:08 PM
Interesting.

Despite Bynum being the most efficient of the bunch and the better defender, it's laughable if he gets this spot? Hmm..

Out of Horford, Gasol, Bogut, and Duncan, Duncan and Bynum are at the top in PER. TS%? Bynum. eFG%? Bynum. Rebounding %? Bynum. Offensive rating? Bynum. He also has a massive defensive presence in the paint, and a variety set of post moves.

Are Horford' extra 4 points (15) than Bynum really that much more impressive considering he has a bigger role in Atlanta & that's all he manages? Is Boguts 1+ point that much to put him ahead of Bynum despite Bynum leading him in everything else?

Marc Gasol? Based off what exactly? The worst season of his career? 11 points, 7 rebounds, and shoots the ball at a lower percentage..

Look at their playoff #'s?



Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
Bynum 2010-11 23 10 320 20.6 .596 .543 13.2 25.1 18.8 4.6 0.9 3.9 14.2 20.9 116 107 0.7 0.3 1.0 0.154
Duncan 2010-11 34 6 212 15.5 .500 .478 8.6 26.4 17.3 14.1 0.7 5.1 19.1 20.8 94 102 -0.1 0.3 0.2 0.053
Gasol 2010-11 26 13 519 18.9 .563 .511 8.9 23.8 16.2 9.4 1.4 4.5 13.1 17.5 113 102 0.9 0.8 1.7 0.153
Horford 2010-11 24 12 468 13.3 .458 .423 6.5 23.1 14.9 16.0 0.6 2.2 10.3 17.3 100 104 0.1 0.6 0.7 0.070

Bynum's the only one who remained on par with his regular season. Marc Went up a bit as well, but not better than Bynum's playoffs performance.


Bynum also played only 50 games this year. I get what you're saying, but I can't in all good conscious choose him at #2 considering the fact he's only been healthy for one full season. If he played more games I'm sure his TS and eFG would be down.

SteBO
08-05-2011, 03:10 PM
Interesting.

Despite Bynum being the most efficient of the bunch and the better defender, it's laughable if he gets this spot? Hmm..

Out of Horford, Gasol, Bogut, and Duncan, Duncan and Bynum are at the top in PER. TS%? Bynum. eFG%? Bynum. Rebounding %? Bynum. Offensive rating? Bynum. He also has a massive defensive presence in the paint, and a variety set of post moves.

Are Horford' extra 4 points (15) than Bynum really that much more impressive considering he has a bigger role in Atlanta & that's all he manages? Is Boguts 1+ point that much to put him ahead of Bynum despite Bynum leading him in everything else?

Marc Gasol? Based off what exactly? The worst season of his career? 11 points, 7 rebounds, and shoots the ball at a lower percentage..

Look at their playoff #'s?



Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
Bynum 2010-11 23 10 320 20.6 .596 .543 13.2 25.1 18.8 4.6 0.9 3.9 14.2 20.9 116 107 0.7 0.3 1.0 0.154
Duncan 2010-11 34 6 212 15.5 .500 .478 8.6 26.4 17.3 14.1 0.7 5.1 19.1 20.8 94 102 -0.1 0.3 0.2 0.053
Gasol 2010-11 26 13 519 18.9 .563 .511 8.9 23.8 16.2 9.4 1.4 4.5 13.1 17.5 113 102 0.9 0.8 1.7 0.153
Horford 2010-11 24 12 468 13.3 .458 .423 6.5 23.1 14.9 16.0 0.6 2.2 10.3 17.3 100 104 0.1 0.6 0.7 0.070

Bynum's the only one who remained on par with his regular season. Marc Went up a bit as well, but not better than Bynum's playoffs performance.
All these stats are fine and dandy, but he hasn't played enough games this year to be #2 imo. That's how alot of these are misleading. I understand what you're getting at, but games played matters.

Lake_Show2416
08-05-2011, 06:22 PM
Even an injured Bynum is still better then pretty much the names listed there (which really shows a real decline in centers over the years). Seriously there is no reasonable argument against it. When he's healthy, he would be almost as dominate if not as dominate as Dwight Howard.

this, plus his stats arent inflated like other players cuz he plays behind 2 great players

Kashmir13579
08-05-2011, 06:46 PM
I can't wait to see how underrated Noah gets in this poll.

VCaintdead17
08-05-2011, 07:14 PM
I can't wait to see how underrated Noah gets in this poll.

:laugh: You think Noah is the second best center in the league?

LakersIn5
08-05-2011, 10:27 PM
All these stats are fine and dandy, but he hasn't played enough games this year to be #2 imo. That's how alot of these are misleading. I understand what you're getting at, but games played matters.

yao in his real last 3 seasons played 48,55 and 77. but he was considered as 2nd best in those seasons.

and yet bynum played like only 50 games. you might say his stats might go down when he played more but i could also say his stats might go up when he had played more.

and 50+ games is still majority of a season so its safe to say this since 50+ games is a decent basis to get stats from a player in a season.

DR_1
08-05-2011, 11:09 PM
:laugh: You think Noah is the second best center in the league?

I don't think he said that. I know Noah isn't the 2nd best, but I think he is underrated, and I think that's what he means.

arkanian215
08-05-2011, 11:24 PM
I'd like to say Bynum but he misses a lot of games.

beasted86
08-05-2011, 11:41 PM
Interesting.

Despite Bynum being the most efficient of the bunch and the better defender, it's laughable if he gets this spot? Hmm..

Out of Horford, Gasol, Bogut, and Duncan, Duncan and Bynum are at the top in PER. TS%? Bynum. eFG%? Bynum. Rebounding %? Bynum. Offensive rating? Bynum. He also has a massive defensive presence in the paint, and a variety set of post moves.

Are Horford' extra 4 points (15) than Bynum really that much more impressive considering he has a bigger role in Atlanta & that's all he manages? Is Boguts 1+ point that much to put him ahead of Bynum despite Bynum leading him in everything else?

Marc Gasol? Based off what exactly? The worst season of his career? 11 points, 7 rebounds, and shoots the ball at a lower percentage..

Look at their playoff #'s?



Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
Bynum 2010-11 23 10 320 20.6 .596 .543 13.2 25.1 18.8 4.6 0.9 3.9 14.2 20.9 116 107 0.7 0.3 1.0 0.154
Duncan 2010-11 34 6 212 15.5 .500 .478 8.6 26.4 17.3 14.1 0.7 5.1 19.1 20.8 94 102 -0.1 0.3 0.2 0.053
Gasol 2010-11 26 13 519 18.9 .563 .511 8.9 23.8 16.2 9.4 1.4 4.5 13.1 17.5 113 102 0.9 0.8 1.7 0.153
Horford 2010-11 24 12 468 13.3 .458 .423 6.5 23.1 14.9 16.0 0.6 2.2 10.3 17.3 100 104 0.1 0.6 0.7 0.070

Bynum's the only one who remained on par with his regular season. Marc Went up a bit as well, but not better than Bynum's playoffs performance.

For all of the people talking about Bynum and playoffs...

I have to ask you guys to be completely honest here.... do you think there is any correlation with the first time Bynum playing a larger role on the Lakers offense leading to first early playoff exit with no finals appearance in 4 seasons?

Maybe I'm crazy here... but that speaks volumes saying Bynum's ability to lead and carry a team are nonexistant right now in comparison to Kobe or Pau.

Everything was in place for him to grab the reigns from Pau and solidify himself as the Lakers #2 option, and future #1. Pau was playing like trash and Bynum was getting the opportunity to dominate and take over... instead he played the same way he always plays: look to score, but not look to pass... pickup stupid fouls... blame teammates... get frustrated and do something stupid.

That's the reason Bynum can't be the #2 Center in the NBA, and can't even be the #2 option on his own team. Even when 100% healthy, he's just too inconsistent with his play and cannot be a leader.

Duncan here IMO. Bynum can fall into the 3rd slot.

Hellcrooner
08-05-2011, 11:51 PM
For all of the people talking about Bynum and playoffs...

I have to ask you guys to be completely honest here.... do you think there is any correlation with the first time Bynum playing a larger role on the Lakers offense leading to first early playoff exit with no finals appearance in 4 seasons?

Maybe I'm crazy here... but that speaks volumes saying Bynum's ability to lead and carry a team are nonexistant right now in comparison to Kobe or Pau.

Everything was in place for him to grab the reigns from Pau and solidify himself as the Lakers #2 option, and future #1. Pau was playing like trash and Bynum was getting the opportunity to dominate and take over... instead he played the same way he always plays: look to score, but not look to pass... pickup stupid fouls... blame teammates... get frustrated and do something stupid.

That's the reason Bynum can't be the #2 Center in the NBA, and can't even be the #2 option on his own team. Even when 100% healthy, he's just too inconsistent with his play and cannot be a leader.

Duncan here IMO. Bynum can fall into the 3rd slot.

i thought i was the only one that realized this undeniable fact.

btw if the team had followed the pecking order and kept feeding kobe and pau dirk would still have his fingers empty.

there were rumours bout pau being "troubled" in the playoffs with off court troubles that were never clarified.
then bynum hinted in an interview during playoffs too to some "locker room troubles " too.

well i think we can all add 1 and 1 and make it 2.
specially since is well known that stupid jimmy buss has not wanted to trade "his boy" for kidd back then then for melo in the deadline and does not want to ship him for howard.
He simply is an stubborn stupid bastard that wants to go with his boy and tell everybody "told you so" if he succeds.
he has gone as far as hire Brown downplaying better coaches because they woudl be Kobe/pau coaches, to have one that he can use as a tool to make "his boy" shine.
Pity with those Knees, that childish mind , that lack of work ethic, that lack of unselfishness, that lack of interest in playing TEAM ball WONT MAKE IT HAPPEN.

In short thats why i call him Jim "freddo corleone" Buss.


All you who are voting bynum this high.
Answer me this question.
Would you trade one of the best 2 players of your team for DreW?

no what ifs "if he was healthy", drew AS HE IS , with suspicions knees.

Chronz
08-06-2011, 01:00 AM
I voted Bogut, because to me, Duncan is still a PF. When Bogut's healthy, he gets like 20 ppg.
When Bynum is healthy he puts up better #'s, also do you consider 6"6 Blair or 3pt specialist Bonner to be centers? Why would you consider Duncan a PF?


:facepalm: to the Lakers fans picking Bynum, let's be real here Bogut is clearly number 2 here, no need to to pick someone who was stated to obliterate Chandler in the 2nd round of the playoffs, until that statement got backfired on him and lets not forget to mention this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBfvmJIxwPQ
Bogut is comparable when healthy but after last year its clearly Bynum.



How the **** did Bynum get voted at this spot? Oh wait yeah the Lakers homers on this site. It should have been Horford here.
Horford isnt even a true center and cant anchor a defense.



lmao @ bynum
Figures



^ except marc got that numbers even if being overlooked by teamates with much less touches and their postseason was a succes.
LMFAO you never stop trying do you, so whats Marcs excuse for being less efficient? Did his teammates make him miss the shots he did get, I may be mistaken but dont players typically command a greater load by proving their efficiency?


whilst Our postseason was a ****ing piece of crap and one of the motives for it being crap is bynum taking too many shots and thinking he is entitled to be the man, thanks to mr jimmy " freddo corleone" buss.
Maybe but there was that MUCH greater problem with that Spaniard of theirs.

Chronz
08-06-2011, 01:03 AM
Bynum also played only 50 games this year. I get what you're saying, but I can't in all good conscious choose him at #2 considering the fact he's only been healthy for one full season. If he played more games I'm sure his TS and eFG would be down.
Do you have any statistical basis for your insightful analysis? You people act as if Bynum hasnt been putting up these numbers for 4 ****ing years. Wouldnt there be some great variance in his #'s if this was just a matter of flukish sample size?

The problem with Bynum has to do with his availability NOT his ability. Are we asking whos the healthiest center or the best player at his position today?




For all of the people talking about Bynum and playoffs...

I have to ask you guys to be completely honest here.... do you think there is any correlation with the first time Bynum playing a larger role on the Lakers offense leading to first early playoff exit with no finals appearance in 4 seasons?
Nope, there was some crazy Spaniard who somehow lost his mojo, it happens sometimes. I have no doubt if Bynum were healthy in the years prior the Lakers would have dominated the competition to a greater degree.


Maybe I'm crazy here... but that speaks volumes saying Bynum's ability to lead and carry a team are nonexistant right now in comparison to Kobe or Pau.
So ? Compared to Kobe every center falls short and why bring up the player who ultimately cost his team when Bynum stepped up?


Everything was in place for him to grab the reigns from Pau and solidify himself as the Lakers #2 option, and future #1.
Except for the fact that was using 32% of his teams possessions and he had to share the front court with Pau, you know ANOTHER 20-10 threat.


Pau was playing like trash and Bynum was getting the opportunity to dominate and take over... instead he played the same way he always plays: look to score, but not look to pass... pickup stupid fouls... blame teammates... get frustrated and do something stupid.
When a player commands the kind of respect Pau does, you dont just stop going to him. He still had to SHARE the paint with Pau.


That's the reason Bynum can't be the #2 Center in the NBA, and can't even be the #2 option on his own team. Even when 100% healthy, he's just too inconsistent with his play and cannot be a leader.
Wait so a vague comparison between Bynum and his teammates is why hes behind Duncan? The guy who couldnt even be his teams 3rd option and couldnt contain his matchup?

Sadds The Gr8
08-06-2011, 01:13 AM
i thought i was the only one that realized this undeniable fact.

btw if the team had followed the pecking order and kept feeding kobe and pau dirk would still have his fingers empty.

there were rumours bout pau being "troubled" in the playoffs with off court troubles that were never clarified.
then bynum hinted in an interview during playoffs too to some "locker room troubles " too.

well i think we can all add 1 and 1 and make it 2.
specially since is well known that stupid jimmy buss has not wanted to trade "his boy" for kidd back then then for melo in the deadline and does not want to ship him for howard.
He simply is an stubborn stupid bastard that wants to go with his boy and tell everybody "told you so" if he succeds.
he has gone as far as hire Brown downplaying better coaches because they woudl be Kobe/pau coaches, to have one that he can use as a tool to make "his boy" shine.
Pity with those Knees, that childish mind , that lack of work ethic, that lack of unselfishness, that lack of interest in playing TEAM ball WONT MAKE IT HAPPEN.

In short thats why i call him Jim "freddo corleone" Buss.


All you who are voting bynum this high.
Answer me this question.
Would you trade one of the best 2 players of your team for DreW?

no what ifs "if he was healthy", drew AS HE IS , with suspicions knees.

uh...YES

Raps08-09 Champ
08-06-2011, 02:58 AM
I think we should just wait for more votes for Duncan before we close this.

LakersIn5
08-06-2011, 07:51 AM
go to no.3 already

beasted86
08-06-2011, 12:15 PM
Nope, there was some crazy Spaniard who somehow lost his mojo, it happens sometimes. I have no doubt if Bynum were healthy in the years prior the Lakers would have dominated the competition to a greater degree.


So ? Compared to Kobe every center falls short and why bring up the player who ultimately cost his team when Bynum stepped up?


Except for the fact that was using 32% of his teams possessions and he had to share the front court with Pau, you know ANOTHER 20-10 threat.


When a player commands the kind of respect Pau does, you dont just stop going to him. He still had to SHARE the paint with Pau.


Wait so a vague comparison between Bynum and his teammates is why hes behind Duncan? The guy who couldnt even be his teams 3rd option and couldnt contain his matchup?

Like I said, maybe it's just how I see it...

But the Lakers have advanced to the Finals with Bynum being non-existant or with a minimal role on offense. Conversely when Pau is playing bad, Bynum cannot step into the #2 role...

Not because he wasn't being given enough touches, or Kobe was ball hogging... it's that Bynum is not a dependable #2 option, and not good enough to carry the offense in that role. They were still trying to force it through Pau because Bynum never passes the ball, and doesn't make smart plays.

I'm 100% sure you put Duncan on the Lakers and they are better, and you put Bynum on the Spurs and they are worse. Bynum is not a smart player, is not a consistent player, and is not a durable player. He's not the #2 Center in the NBA.