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Fresno
08-03-2011, 04:41 PM
David Stern decides to bring back the Seattle Supersonics to the NBA after a 3 year absence. Instead of moving a NBA team to Seattle, they will return to the NBA as an expansion team bringing the league to 31 teams. This basically follows the same process of the NFL bringing back the Cleveland Browns.

You've been appointed as GM/Owner to build the team.

The Sonics are given the same rules as the Charlotte Bobcats in their 2004 Expansion Draft.



Rules:

- Each NBA team must leave at least 1 player unprotected.

- If Seattle selects an unprotected player from a team it clears their contract off of their books. That team is rewarded a Trade Exception for the size of the player's contract.

- Seattle can't select Unrestricted Free Agents or Unsigned Draft Picks

- Seattle has to select only one player from 15 different teams.

- Seattle can select players just to waive them to have roster space to sign current Unrestricted Free Agents.

- Seattle can make trades with teams for selecting one of their unprotected players.




Unprotected Players:

Atlanta Hawks:
SG - Joe Johnson
SF - Marvin Williams

Boston Celtics:
C - Jermaine O'Neal

Charlotte Bobcats:
SG - Matt Carroll
C - Desagna Diop

Chicago Bulls:
SG - Keith Bogans
PF - Carlos Boozer
SG - Kyle Korver

Cleveland Cavaliers:
PG - Baron Davis
SF - Alonzo Gee
SF - Joey Graham
PF - Antawn Jamison

Dallas Mavericks:
SF - Corey Brewer
C - Brendan Haywood

Detroit Pistons:
SG - Ben Gordon
SG - Richard "Rip" Hamilton
PF - Jason Maxiell
PF - Charlie Villanueva

Denver Nuggets:
C - Chris "Birdman" Anderson
C - Kosta Koufos

Golden State Warriors:
C - Andris Biedrins

Houston Rockets:
SF - Marqus Blakely
PF - Marcus Cousin
PG - Jonny Flynn
PF - Jordan Hill
C - Hasheem Thabeet

Indiana Pacers:
SG - Dahntay Jones
SF - James Posey
PG - AJ Price
SG - Brandon Rush

Los Angeles Clippers:
PF - Ike Diogu
SG - Randy Foye
SG - Willie Warren
PG - Mo Williams

Los Angeles Lakers:
PG - Steve Blake
PF - Derrick Caracter
SG - Trey Johnson
SF - Luke Walton

Memphis Grizzlies:
PF - Darrell Arthur
C - Hamed Haddadi
PG - Ishmael Smith
SF - Sam Young

Miami Heat:
SF - Mike Miller

Milwaukee Bucks:
PF - Jon Brockman
PF - Drew Gooden
PG - Shaun Livingston
PG - Beno Udrih

Minnesota Timberwolves
SG - Wayne Ellington
SF - Lazar Hayward
C - Brad Miller
PF - Anthony Tolliver
SG - Martell Webster

New Jersey Nets:
SG - Stephen Graham
SF - Travis Outlaw
C - Johan Petro

New Orleans Hornets:
PF - Patrick Ewing Jr

New York Knicks:
SF - Renaldo Balkman
SF - Derrick Brown

Oklahoma City Thunder:
PF - Nick Collison
SG - Daequan Cook
PG - Royal Ivey
C - Nazr Mohammed
C - BJ Mullens
PG - Nate Robinson
SG - Robert Vaden

Orlando Magic:
PG - Gilbert Arenas
PG - Chris Duhon
SF - Quentin Richardson
SF - Hedo Turkoglu

Philadelphia 76ers:
PF - Elton Brand
SF - Andres Nocioni

Phoenix Suns:
SG - Vince Carter
SF - Josh Childress
PG - Zabian Dowdell
SG - Mickael Pietrus
C - Garret Siler
PF - Hakim Warrick

Portland Trail Blazers:
C - Marcus Camby
PG - Armon Johnson
C - Chris Johnson
PG - Patty Mills
SG - Brandon Roy

Sacrmaneto Kings:
SG - Francisco Garcia
PF - Darnell Jackson

San Antonio Spurs:
PF - Matt Bonner
SG - Danny Green
SF - Richard Jefferson
PF - Antonio McDyess

Toronto Raptors:
C - Solomon Alabi
PG - Jose Calderon
SF - Linas Kleiza

Utah Jazz:
SG - Raja Bell
C - Memo Okur

Washington Wizards:
SF - Rashard Lewis
SF - Larry Owens
C - Hamady N'Diaye


How would you build the team?

KingsMadness44
08-03-2011, 04:58 PM
wait so is this actually going to happen?

Fresno
08-03-2011, 05:05 PM
wait so is this actually going to happen?

No, its mostly hypothetical.

Muttman73
08-03-2011, 05:07 PM
Need two new teams for scheduling purposes, Seattle X2 and Las Vegas whatevers...

Sly Guy
08-03-2011, 05:09 PM
I'd do this, but without a CBA, I'd likely go WAY over any salary cap.

gilly
08-03-2011, 05:10 PM
Assuming they are under the same contracts as they'd be from the original teams.

PG: Jonny Flynn (HOU) / Beno Udrih (MIL)
SG: Randy Foye (LAC) / Raja Bell (UTH) / Daequan Cook (OKC)
SF: Mike Miller (MIA) / Sam Young (MEM)
PF: Carlos Boozer (CHI) / Jason Maxiell (DET) / Matt Bonner (SAS)
C: Marcus Camby (PTB) / Brad Miller (MIN)

Wouldn't be a very good team but has decent contracts (had to take Boozer, think he'd be good with Camby). Shooting and defense not a problem, just a team lacking a star in a field without stars.

Not sure about the cap but doesn't look like it would be over.

Fresno
08-03-2011, 05:11 PM
I'd do this, but without a CBA, I'd likely go WAY over any salary cap.

Just use the salary cap from last season: $58 Million

d_ramirez1
08-03-2011, 05:24 PM
PG: Johnny Flynn/Randy Foye
SG: Joe Johnson/Ben Gordon/Brandon Rush
SF: Marvin Williams/Sam Young
PF: Darrell Arthur/Charlie V/Derrick Caracter
C: Camby/Jordan Hill

I tried my best.....

RLundi
08-03-2011, 05:25 PM
PG- Johnny Flynn, AJ Price, Patty Mills
SG- Randy Foye, Brandon Rush, Trey Johnson
SF- Sam Young, Matt Bonner, Corey Brewer
PF- Hakim Warrick, Jon Brockman, Patrick Ewing Jr
C- Brad Miller, Nick Collison, Kosta Kooufas

RLundi
08-03-2011, 05:26 PM
PG: Johnny Flynn/Randy Foye
SG: Joe Johnson/Ben Gordon/Brandon Rush
SF: Marvin Williams/Sam Young
PF: Darrell Arthur/Charlie V/Derrick Caracter
C: Camby/Jordan Hill

I tried my best.....

Lol I'm guessing your franchise wouldn't be a very thrifty one ....

Dade County
08-03-2011, 05:30 PM
Man, just send OKC back over to Seattle & give this scenario to the people of Oklahoma!

I can not accept this... If their is a Settle again, and they don't have KD; sorry!

d_ramirez1
08-03-2011, 05:35 PM
Lol I'm guessing your franchise wouldn't be a very thrifty one ....

Better than the crap you put together lol but i would only be over the cap by a few mil....and like i said its the best i could do...

JWO35
08-03-2011, 05:54 PM
Can't have an odd number of teams, so the NBA has decided to add a new team...The Honolulu Waves!

sep11ie
08-03-2011, 06:24 PM
PG- Steve Blake/Beno Udrih
SG- Kyle Korver/Matt Carroll
SF- Mike Miller/ Hedo/Nocioni
PF- Matt Bonner/Nick Collison
C- Birdman/Okur/Brad Miller

RLundi
08-03-2011, 06:30 PM
Better than the crap you put together lol but i would only be over the cap by a few mil....and like i said its the best i could do...

$11m over the cap to be exact.

beasted86
08-03-2011, 06:32 PM
Logic: I'm overlooking bringing mediocre talents to make the team good enough not to be the worst. First, I'm taking young talent on rookie contracts, and gambling they develop. 2nd, I'm taking mid-aged sleepers I think weren't used properly elsewhere, and can develop into something better like Gerald Wallace did when they took him from Sacramento... 3rd, older fundamentally sound vets who can teach the lottery players I draft. And finally I want end of career expiring scorers who can put up stats and give fans something to watch Ricky Davis Cavs-style, but assure I will be a bottom 5 lottery team.

PG: Jonny Flynn / Armon Johnson
SG: Vince Carter / Raja Bell
SF: Brandon Rush / Sam Young
PF: Antawn Jamison / Jordan Hill
C:: Andris Biedrins / Marcus Camby

Catfish1314
08-03-2011, 06:35 PM
Not even an expansion team would touch Joe Johnson's contract.

netsgiantsyanks
08-03-2011, 06:39 PM
lol, marcus cousin is a cheap ripoff of demarcus cousin's name

LakersA's49ers
08-03-2011, 06:43 PM
no lie. this is a pretty good thread. id like to see an expansion las vegas and seattle team

sunnydayin'zona
08-03-2011, 06:53 PM
Selected Players:
PG: Beno Udrih(Kings)/Patty Mills(Blazers)/Jose Calderon(Raptors)
SG: Joe Johnson(Hawks)/Mike Miller(Heat)/Brandon Rush(Pacers)(Traded back to Pacers)/Vince Carter(Suns)(Waived/Bought Out)
SF: Rashard Lewis(Wizards)/Hedo Turkoglu(Magic)/Rip Hamilton(Pistons)(Bought Out/Waived)
PF: Elton Brand(76'ers)/Nick Collison(Thunder)/Jordon Hill(Rockets)
C: Brendon Haywood(Mavs)/Chris "Birdman" Anderson(Nuggets)

Trades:
-Rockets trade a 2012 First-Round Pick for Jordon Hill and 2 2012 Second-Round Picks (Raptors and Pacers)

-Kings trade their 2012 First-Round Pick and 2012 Second-Round Pick in exchange for the agreement of the Sonics to acquire and waive Beno Udrih and a 2012 First-Round Pick (own)

-Rip Hamilton+Vince Carter+$3 Million Cash are traded to the 76'ers for Andre Iguodala+2012 Second-Round Pick. Rip and VC are subsequently bought out/waived by 76'ers

-Pacers trade a 2012 Second-Round Pick for Brandon Rush

-Raptors trade a 2012 Second-Round Pick in exchange for the agreement of the Sonics to acquire and waive Jose Calderon

-Sonics trade 3 2012 unprotected First-Round Picks(Rockets, Wizards, Kings...all high lotto picks), a 2012 Second-Round Pick (76'ers), $3million cash, and Elton Brand to the New Orleans Hornets for Chris Paul and David West

-Sonics trade David West and Mike Miller to the Bulls in exchange for Taj Gibson and a 2012 First-Round Pick

-Sonics trade Hedo Turkoglu, a 2012 First-Round Pick (Bulls), and a 2012 Second-Round Pick (Kings) for Earl Clark, Ryan Anderson, and a 2012 Second-Round Pick

-Washington Wizards trade 2012 First-Round Pick, $3million cash, and Nick Young in exchange for the agreement of the Seattle Sonics to acquire and waive Rashard Lewis, and Nick Collison (to the Wizards, to clear things up)

Salaries in 2011:
Chris Paul: $16,600,000
Patty Mills: $930,000
Joe Johnson: $18,000,000
Andre Iguodala: $13,500,000
Earl Clark: $2,000,000
Ryan Anderson: $1,900,000
Taj Gibson: $1,200,000
Nick Young: $3,070,000
Brendon Haywood: $7,600,000
Chris "Birdman" Anderson: $4,200,00

Total: $69,000,000

Picks:
-2012 Second-Round Pick via Magic

Final Roster:
Chris Paul/Patty Mills
Joe Johnson/Nick Young
Andre Iguodala/Earl Clark
Taj Gibson/Ryan Anderson
Brendon Haywood/Chris "Birdman" Anderson

Bam. :cool:

I just spent like two hours on this. But, I think I win. :D

beasted86
08-03-2011, 07:02 PM
Bam. :cool:

I just spent like two hours on this. But, I think I win. :D

Too bad most of your trades violate the rules and salaries don't begin to match, and are far fetched to begin with.

sunnydayin'zona
08-03-2011, 07:03 PM
Great thread, btw. This was fun :)

GeekInThePink
08-03-2011, 07:18 PM
Fun thread, don't think Seattle deserves a team though.

sunnydayin'zona
08-03-2011, 07:18 PM
Too bad most of your trades violate the rules and salaries don't begin to match, and are far fetched to begin with.

What rules do they violate? I drafted one player from 15 different teams. I made trades with teams for selecting their unprotected players, which I used so that I could take huge contracts on to waive them (that is allowed) and to select young talents that teams are willing to trade reasonable picks to re-acquire. I didn't select any unrestricted FA's (Patty Mills and Brandon Rush are RFA's).

OP, did I break any of your rules?

As for trades, the only ones I could see as unreasonable are:

-76'ers for Iggy (just as far as salaries go). But if both Rip and VC are bought out, there is no issue. Not to mention, I just cleared about $35million in cap space for the 76'ers.

-Chris Paul trade, but that's a pretty reasonable trade. I gave up 3 first round lottery picks in the amazing 2012 draft, a throw-in 2nd round pick, cash, and a 20/10 w/defense scorer in Elton Brand who has only this year and next year left on his contract. The financially struggling NO team would then have 4 lottery picks and a 20/10 veteran presence to rebuild with. This is a better trade for Chris Paul than the Nets trade for Deron Williams.

ElFuturoDeESPN
08-03-2011, 07:20 PM
PG: Beno Udrih (MIL) / Jonny Flynn (HOU)
SG: Vince Carter (PHO) / Wayne Ellington (MIN) / Daequan Cook (OKC)
SF: Sam Young (MEM) / Leinas Kleiza (TOR)
PF: Antawn Jamison (CLE) / Derrick Caracter (LAL)
C: Birdman (DEN) / Chris Johnson (POR)
6th: Jason Maxiell (DET)

Decent for what I could work with. Gives the team a few high-ceiling guys for the future (Flynn, Ellington, Young, Caracter, Johnson) and cap flexibility with Carter, Jamison and Udrih's contracts coming off the books the next offseason.

Who knows, maybe having Carter and Jamison's washed up butts around would put a few butts in the seats. People like nostalgia for some reason. That was fun.

beasted86
08-03-2011, 07:29 PM
What rules do they violate? I drafted one player from 15 different teams. I made trades with teams for selecting their unprotected players, which I used so that I could take huge contracts on to waive them (that is allowed) and to select young talents that teams are willing to trade reasonable picks to re-acquire. I didn't select any unrestricted FA's (Patty Mills and Brandon Rush are RFA's).
Mills is a free agent, Rush isn't..

But back on topic, you can't trade more than $3M cash in any trade. You had like $8M going here... $4M going there...


OP, did I break any of your rules?

As for trades, the only ones I could see as unreasonable are:

-76'ers for Iggy (just as far as salaries go). But if both Rip and VC are bought out, there is no issue. Not to mention, I just cleared about $35million in cap space for the 76'ers.

-Chris Paul trade, but that's a pretty reasonable trade. I gave up 3 first round lottery picks in the amazing 2012 draft, a throw-in 2nd round pick, cash, and a 20/10 w/defense scorer in Elton Brand who has only this year and next year left on his contract. The financially struggling NO team would then have 4 lottery picks and a 20/10 veteran presence to rebuild with. This is a better trade for Chris Paul than the Nets trade for Deron Williams.

Neither of those are realistic. If Philly wanted a salary dump, they could have traded a long time ago. They seem to have some unknown value of what they think Iggy is worth.

Hornets on the other hand wouldn't trade Paul for 3 non top 5 picks. The Jazz got Harris (who at this point is younger, and makes a lot less than Brand), and Favors a top 3 pick lottery pick with huge upside at 19 years old, and still 2 draft picks on top. How does that equal Brand + 3 draft picks?

Not the same, man. Not trying to totally bash your ideas though. Sorry if it came off that way.

Rafer17
08-03-2011, 07:40 PM
PG: Jose Calderon/Baron Davis/Mo WIlliams
SG: Joe Johnson/Brandon Roy/Ben Gordon
SF: Rashard Lewis/Richard Jefferson/Hedo
PF: Carlos Boozer/Elton Brand/
C: Marcus Camby/Birdman/Nazr Mohammad

Cant make a better then this using those players...

beasted86
08-03-2011, 07:44 PM
PG: Jose Calderon/Baron Davis/Mo WIlliams
SG: Joe Johnson/Brandon Roy/Ben Gordon
SF: Rashard Lewis/Richard Jefferson/Hedo
PF: Carlos Boozer/Elton Brand/
C: Marcus Camby/Birdman/Nazr Mohammad

Cant make a better then this using those players...

:laugh2: that's like $90M in contracts.

Replace Mo Williams with Gilbert, Birdman with Biedrins and you should be over $100M easy

sunnydayin'zona
08-03-2011, 07:51 PM
Mills is a free agent, Rush isn't..

But back on topic, you can't trade more than $3M cash in any trade. You had like $8M going here... $4M going there...



alright, let me make some tweaks then. its not like the cash is that significant.




Neither of those are realistic. If Philly wanted a salary dump, they could have traded a long time ago. They seem to have some unknown value of what they think Iggy is worth.



76'ers: Or, not. I mean, they haven't really been offered a salary dump yet. And certainly not to the tune of $35million. I mean, they could go out and sign 2 max contracts with that. They could try to bring D12 and Westbrook when they are free agents. They could pull it off with the market they have. This would also allow them to rob other teams who need to trade away good players to get under the new cap (which I would probably have to do also, since I have a cap figure of $69mil).



Hornets on the other hand wouldn't trade Paul for 3 non top 5 picks. The Jazz got Harris (who at this point is younger, and makes a lot less than Brand), and Favors a top 3 pick lottery pick with huge upside at 19 years old, and still 2 draft picks on top. How does that equal Brand + 3 draft picks?


Well, chances are Rockets aren't going to be top 5. but certainly top 10 since teams in the east and west are moving up with great moves while the rockets do nothing. Kings could very well be top 5, nothing has happened to show that they won't be, actually. Wizards will likely be top 10 again, and could very well be top 5.

Favors has done nothing to prove he can use his potential, and currently sits at 3rd on their pf depth chart. Harris is a good player, but so is Brand. He's younger and makes less, but has less of an impact on the game than Brand at this point. I'd like to think the throw in makes up for Brand being old, but I can see where you come from.

2 lotto picks+Favors-3 lotto picks
Harris-Brand, a second rounder, and cash.

and I got West too, but they were going to lose him anyway. Plus, it seems at this point like NO will lose Paul and have nothing to show for it. I have a team that Paul would play with (as in, approve a trade to), and have given a better offer than anything we've heard about being offered to NO so far. It's a stretch, but not that much. It's no robbery. NO could draft 4 all-star caliber players in the 2012 draft lottery and immediately rebuild just like OKC.



Not the same, man. Not trying to totally bash your ideas though. Sorry if it came off that way.

It definitely did come off that way...but it's fine. I feel like my trades are reasonable enough to not be batshit crazy.

topdog
08-03-2011, 07:56 PM
1: Foye/Mills/Price
2:Cook/Webster/Korver/Carroll
3:Q-Rich
4:Brand/Warrick/Maxiell/Jamison/Jackson/Arthur
5:Biedrins/Haywood/Thabeet

Logjam at PF but Jamison retires soon, Jackson is cheap and you figure out which of Warrick-Maxiell-Arthur fits best. Brand has a big contract but puts up offense in the right system.

Foye is a combo guard who needs to be given freedom and all 4 SGs give him spacing to drive and kick. Same drive-and-kick with Mills but with his speed game. Price is cheap.

All 2s are good role players and the 1st two are decent defenders.

My 2s can be 3s but Q-Rich is a good 3pt option too. Helps space for Brand and Biedrins.

Centers are always in demand and always overpaid so one fits, one gets traded and Thabeet probably never becomes anything but is worth a free look.

randomness
08-03-2011, 09:13 PM
C: Marcus Camby/Chris Anderson/Hasheem Thabeet
PF: Carlos Boozer/Hakim Warrick/Jordan Hill
SF: Quentin Richardson/Linas Kleiza/Sam Young
SG: Brandon Rush/Raja Bell/Wayne Ellington
PG: Mo Williams/Shaun Livingston/Nate Robinson

Fresno
08-03-2011, 10:26 PM
Can't have an odd number of teams, so the NBA has decided to add a new team...The Honolulu Waves!

What are you talking about? The NBA had 29 teams for 17 years before adding Charlotte.

Baller1
08-03-2011, 10:27 PM
**** this thread.

Fresno
08-03-2011, 10:34 PM
**** this thread.

Dont worry man, I really believe someone is going to bring the Sonics back to the NBA. Way too much history for them to not be around, just look at the Cleveland Browns.

tbone2171
08-03-2011, 10:51 PM
PG Chris Paul
SG Dwayne Wade
SF Carmelo Anthony
PF Chris Bosh
C Dwight Howard
:D

joshtrem
08-03-2011, 11:01 PM
PG- Steve Blake/Beno Udrih
SG- Kyle Korver/Matt Carroll
SF- Mike Miller/ Hedo/Nocioni
PF- Matt Bonner/Nick Collison
C- Birdman/Okur/Brad Miller

I'm glad you agree the NBA needs an all-white team.

Fresno
08-03-2011, 11:02 PM
My team would look like:

PG: Nate Robinson (1 Yr / $4 Million), AJ Price (1 Yr / $880K),
SG: Brandon Roy (3 Yr / $16 Million) , Martell Webster (1 Yr / $5 Million), Willie Warren (1 Yr / $788K), Alonzo Gee (1 Yr / $884K)
SF: Marvin Williams (3 Yr / $8 Million), Corey Brewer (2 Yr / $3 Million), Sam Young (1 Yr / $950K)
PF: Jordan Hill (2 Yr / $3 Million), PF Jon Brockman (2 Yr / $1 Million), (1 Yr / $788K)
C : Marcus Camby (1 Yr / $11 Million), Solomon Alabi (1 Yr / $830K), Garret Siler (1 Yr / $788K)

Trades:
Portland trades Seattle their 2012 1st Round Pick for the selection of Brandon Roy & receives a $17 Million Trade Exception.

I have 5 local Seattle guys on my team which should bring the fans back & motivate guys like Brandon Roy, Nate Robinson, & Marvin Williams to play hard for their hometown.

A veteran/Team Captain in Marcus Camby to keep the young guys in check.

We should be bad enough to end up with a high Lottery pick to hopefully select Quincy Miller. I'll use Portland's 1st Rd pick to select another Seattle star in Tony Wroten.

Fresno
08-03-2011, 11:04 PM
I'm glad you agree the NBA needs an all-white team.

I wonder if they'll bring back the short shorts to really make it authentic lol

Birdman would have to be Team Captain.

Punkindrublic03
08-03-2011, 11:04 PM
Close this thread.

NBA deserves no fans

topdog
08-03-2011, 11:28 PM
My team would look like:

PG: Nate Robinson (1 Yr / $4 Million), AJ Price (1 Yr / $880K),
SG: Brandon Roy (3 Yr / $16 Million) , Martell Webster (1 Yr / $5 Million), Willie Warren (1 Yr / $788K), Alonzo Gee (1 Yr / $884K)
SF: Marvin Williams (3 Yr / $8 Million), Corey Brewer (2 Yr / $3 Million), Sam Young (1 Yr / $950K)
PF: Jordan Hill (2 Yr / $3 Million), PF Jon Brockman (2 Yr / $1 Million), (1 Yr / $788K)
C : Marcus Camby (1 Yr / $11 Million), Solomon Alabi (1 Yr / $830K), Garret Siler (1 Yr / $788K)

Wouldn't you be worried about Roy's knees? Or, the fact that Camby only wants to play for a contender? If Williams hasn't been motivated by all the chatter about him being such a mistake, why would a move back home change that? Also, Nate and Roy base their games largely on havng the ball in their hands, can that work (provided Roy can walk)?

I mean I get the Seattle thing, just being subjectively objective.

RLundi
08-04-2011, 10:40 AM
Dont worry man, I really believe someone is going to bring the Sonics back to the NBA. Way too much history for them to not be around, just look at the Cleveland Browns.

Probably, but I don't see it happening any time soon. Seattle needs a new arena. Plus even after the lockout, with the new labor deal in place, the focus will be on that for a few years. But if/when expansion is reconsidered, Seattle needs to be the first recommendation.

And your sig is seriously disgusting.