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Bruno
07-29-2011, 02:10 AM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/6814363/kobe-bryant-turkish-club-besiktas-meet-saturday-report-says


Updated: July 28, 2011, 11:00 PM ET
Report: Kobe Bryant, Besiktas to meet
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By Dave McMenamin
ESPNLosAngeles.com

LOS ANGELES -- The NBA is set to resume negotiations between owners and the players union on Monday for the first time since the lockout went into place on July 1, but one of the NBA's biggest stars has negotiations of his own planned for this weekend.

Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant will be in the nation's capital attending the World Football Challenge featuring Manchester United and F.C. Barcelona at FedEx Field on Saturday and the Mia Hamm-Nomar Garciaparra Celebrity Soccer Challenge on Sunday at Kastles Stadium.

Soccer won't be the only sport on Bryant's agenda, however, as the 15-year NBA veteran and his representatives will meet with officials from the Turkish basketball club Besiktas on Saturday, according to a Reuters report.


"At the moment there's a 50 percent chance that Kobe may come to Turkey," said Seref Yalcin, head of basketball operations for Besiktas, on Tuesday. Yalcin made the comments to reporters in Turkey, according to Reuters. "Everything will be clearer after the meeting on the 30th [of July]."

Turkish Airlines, a company Bryant serves as a pitchman for, is sponsoring both of the soccer events over the weekend and could be the key for Besiktas to potentially make an offer lucrative enough to lure the 13-time All-Star overseas during the lockout.

Turkey's NTV Spor reported last week that Besiktas' basketball funds have been tied up by the match-fixing scandal that has ripped through the Turkish soccer world, forcing Besiktas to search for outside funding to help with their pursuit of NBA players to join New Jersey Nets guard Deron Williams on their team.

"Money will not be a problem," Yalcin said, according to Reuters. Yalcin later mentioned Turkish Airlines and two oil companies as potential sponsors for Bryant's contract, which is expected to exceed $500,000 a month. Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard earlier this month that Williams' overall deal with Besiktas is worth $5 million. NTV Spor reported that Bryant's camp is seeking a monthly salary of $1 million to join Williams.

"We know that Besiktas is very much interested and they've been in touch with our company as well, but we haven't started any kind of negotiations or anything like that yet," Fatma Yuceler, a spokeswoman for Turkish Airlines, told ESPNLosAngeles.com on Wednesday.

Regardless if playing basketball overseas is in Bryant's future or not, playing soccer this weekend isn't. Despite his background playing pickup soccer games as a youth in Italy, Bryant will not lace up the cleats and play in the Hamm-Garciaparra charity scrimmage on Sunday. Bryant will merely be a spectator for the game and will give his right knee, which recently endured a platelet-rich plasma therapy procedure, a rest, according to multiple sources. On Saturday he will take to the field -- after the game -- to present the "man of the match" award to the winner after the Manchester United versus FC Barcelona friendly.

[I]Dave McMenamin covers the Lakers for ESPNLosAngeles.com.

GREATNESS ONE
07-29-2011, 02:27 AM
If there is a lockout and NBA games are missed. There is no way in hell the most competitive player in the league is going to sit out and wait. He'll play, Wow Deron and Kobe in the backcourt:speechless:


Bruno man, just a suggestion but maybe add a "if there''s a lockout" option.

Bruno
07-29-2011, 03:51 AM
If there is a lockout and NBA games are missed. There is no way in hell the most competitive player in the league is going to sit out and wait. He'll play, Wow Deron and Kobe in the backcourt:speechless:


Bruno man, just a suggestion but maybe add a "if there''s a lockout" option.

I changed the question to make a prediction on saturdays meeting.

GREATNESS ONE
07-29-2011, 03:54 AM
I changed the question to make a prediction on saturdays meeting.



Good Enough sir, thank you.

NYKalltheway
07-29-2011, 03:55 AM
Why predict? There's already an agreement from last week... Turkish Airlines will be paying $700k and Besiktas will be paying $300k of his salary per month. I think the only thing that stopped Kobe from signing is the fact that he doesn't seem to get on the freaking plane to get his *** in Turkey :laugh2: :D

Bruno
07-29-2011, 03:57 AM
Why predict? There's already an agreement from last week...

What's the agreement?

NYKalltheway
07-29-2011, 04:05 AM
What's the agreement?

check edited post. But from what this ESPN article says, Besiktas and Turkish Airlines haven't actually upped the deal. I guess the Turks who leaked that the deal was done figured that it's doable and that there's no worries about the $1m deal per month.

Bruno
07-29-2011, 04:12 AM
check edited post. But from what this ESPN article says, Besiktas and Turkish Airlines haven't actually upped the deal. I guess the Turks who leaked that the deal was done figured that it's doable and that there's no worries about the $1m deal per month.

oh thats awesome. hopefully they make it official on saturday. I want to see NBA talent sign overseas so we can still watch them, and put pressure on the owners to get this lockout over with.

basketfan4life
07-29-2011, 04:19 AM
i'm from Turkey, i am a fan of Galatasaray which is the biggest rival of Besiktas in Turkey with Fenerbahce. But man i am thrilled, i wish this comes true and i'll be in all games of besiktas, Deron and Kobe are coming to the city i live? come on, make it happen!!!

JNA17
07-29-2011, 05:05 AM
Kobe and Deron in the backcourt? Good lord...

Bruno
07-29-2011, 07:01 AM
^You know that if Deron and Kobe become teammates in Turkey Williams to LA rumors will start to happen.

StuartKovacs
07-29-2011, 07:14 AM
^You know that if Deron and Kobe become teammates in Turkey Williams to LA rumors will start to happen.

Exactly what I'm thinking...
HELL lets get Dwight Howard on that team too lol oh boy

Shmontaine
07-29-2011, 11:32 AM
it's all gravy until those checks bounce...

i think he'll sign... but i hope that this team has some sort of backup and they aren't losing any major pieces to get both of these guys here for 1 or 2 months... they will be left with no back court when nba resumes...

Sly Guy
07-29-2011, 11:34 AM
lol, this club would have the best backcourt in the world.

NYKalltheway
07-29-2011, 01:16 PM
it's all gravy until those checks bounce...

i think he'll sign... but i hope that this team has some sort of backup and they aren't losing any major pieces to get both of these guys here for 1 or 2 months... they will be left with no back court when nba resumes...

lol NBA transfer talk in European matters :laugh2:

They can sign whoever they want if they have the money after that. They suck anyway so they haven't really lost anything, but instead they are gaining international popularity and improve marketability in basketball (NBA players who have no idea of who's good and who's bad in Europe will remember them as the team that signed Deron and Kobe and it'll be an important part in considering them as a new team in the future ;) )

Hellcrooner
07-29-2011, 01:24 PM
kobe signs sunday, owners take out the white flag on monday, lockout ends.

Bruno
07-29-2011, 04:48 PM
kobe signs sunday, owners take out the white flag on monday, lockout ends.

That'd be amazing. Even the fans who don't like him would have to tip their hats to his contributions.

Bruno
07-29-2011, 04:51 PM
Exactly what I'm thinking...
HELL lets get Dwight Howard on that team too lol oh boy
that'd be pretty unfair.


lol, this club would have the best backcourt in the world. haha, it's true. I wonder how D-WIll- Bryant back court would play out?

Shmontaine
07-29-2011, 04:58 PM
lol NBA transfer talk in European matters :laugh2:

They can sign whoever they want if they have the money after that. They suck anyway so they haven't really lost anything, but instead they are gaining international popularity and improve marketability in basketball (NBA players who have no idea of who's good and who's bad in Europe will remember them as the team that signed Deron and Kobe and it'll be an important part in considering them as a new team in the future ;) )

that's going to be the issue.. they're putting all their money into two guys... need an airline to co-sign kobe's contract and then in a couple months, they will be right back where they started, only with less money... maybe they can make enough money to cover the cost.. but how? increase ticket prices? then what, lower them after the two leave? IDK... it's a nice idea, but the team can't afford these guys...

sounds familiar..

NYKalltheway
07-29-2011, 05:10 PM
European basketball has NO REVENUE. It's something FIBA-ULEB haven't discussed and they're handing players to the NBA for peanuts ($500,000 buyout = 300,000 euros, which is less than peanuts actually)
The Euroleague winner receives some $2,000,000 prize award which is still peanuts as it doesn't even pay for one of the 6(at least) higher earners of the winner... And tv revenue is not that much but I don't know the details.

Turks on the other hand do not care about how much money they spend. It's a common "secret" that they are money laundering in sports these days. Till the bags run out of money course. It's more helpful than damaging for the 6th-7th in strength team in Turkey to sign two NBA stars no matter what the co$t is. The reward is greater. They are now on the basketball map. Nobody knew they had a basketball team outside Turkey(it's a huge country, perhaps people there didn't even know that!) before they signed Allen Iverson. With Deron Williams' signing they have put themselves on track with the NBA fanbase and players. With Kobe the whole basketball world will be watching. It's a great deal for them. These guys do not care about the money... I can see them offering contracts to Amare(in fact, I think they already did :p ) and perhaps guys like Pau Gasol, Tony Parker, Marco Bellinelli, Andrei Kirilenko etc. Europeans that is.

If Kobe signs, I expect at least 2 more NBA players. Pachulia was about to sign but that collapsed. I guess they could be looking at someone like Bogut or Noah (I think they have a limit on non-Europeans even if they're not in the EU). Expect more from this team, but don't expect them anywhere near the trophy case.

nygiants242
07-29-2011, 05:13 PM
Kobe needs to do this. It inevitably will put pressure on the NBA.. I love that the players are doing this. Really is giving them leverage.

Bruno
07-29-2011, 10:28 PM
European basketball has NO REVENUE. It's something FIBA-ULEB haven't discussed and they're handing players to the NBA for peanuts ($500,000 buyout = 300,000 euros, which is less than peanuts actually)
The Euroleague winner receives some $2,000,000 prize award which is still peanuts as it doesn't even pay for one of the 6(at least) higher earners of the winner... And tv revenue is not that much but I don't know the details.

Turks on the other hand do not care about how much money they spend. It's a common "secret" that they are money laundering in sports these days. Till the bags run out of money course. It's more helpful than damaging for the 6th-7th in strength team in Turkey to sign two NBA stars no matter what the co$t is. The reward is greater. They are now on the basketball map. Nobody knew they had a basketball team outside Turkey(it's a huge country, perhaps people there didn't even know that!) before they signed Allen Iverson. With Deron Williams' signing they have put themselves on track with the NBA fanbase and players. With Kobe the whole basketball world will be watching. It's a great deal for them. These guys do not care about the money... I can see them offering contracts to Amare(in fact, I think they already did :p ) and perhaps guys like Pau Gasol, Tony Parker, Marco Bellinelli, Andrei Kirilenko etc. Europeans that is.

If Kobe signs, I expect at least 2 more NBA players. Pachulia was about to sign but that collapsed. I guess they could be looking at someone like Bogut or Noah (I think they have a limit on non-Europeans even if they're not in the EU). Expect more from this team, but don't expect them anywhere near the trophy case.

Thanks for the info.

Bruno
07-29-2011, 10:28 PM
Kobe needs to do this. It inevitably will put pressure on the NBA.. I love that the players are doing this. Really is giving them leverage.

I'd like to at least see him on the court :shrug:

basketfan4life
07-30-2011, 04:46 AM
European basketball has NO REVENUE. It's something FIBA-ULEB haven't discussed and they're handing players to the NBA for peanuts ($500,000 buyout = 300,000 euros, which is less than peanuts actually)
The Euroleague winner receives some $2,000,000 prize award which is still peanuts as it doesn't even pay for one of the 6(at least) higher earners of the winner... And tv revenue is not that much but I don't know the details.

Turks on the other hand do not care about how much money they spend. It's a common "secret" that they are money laundering in sports these days. Till the bags run out of money course. It's more helpful than damaging for the 6th-7th in strength team in Turkey to sign two NBA stars no matter what the co$t is. The reward is greater. They are now on the basketball map. Nobody knew they had a basketball team outside Turkey(it's a huge country, perhaps people there didn't even know that!) before they signed Allen Iverson. With Deron Williams' signing they have put themselves on track with the NBA fanbase and players. With Kobe the whole basketball world will be watching. It's a great deal for them. These guys do not care about the money... I can see them offering contracts to Amare(in fact, I think they already did :p ) and perhaps guys like Pau Gasol, Tony Parker, Marco Bellinelli, Andrei Kirilenko etc. Europeans that is.

If Kobe signs, I expect at least 2 more NBA players. Pachulia was about to sign but that collapsed. I guess they could be looking at someone like Bogut or Noah (I think they have a limit on non-Europeans even if they're not in the EU). Expect more from this team, but don't expect them anywhere near the trophy case.

The thing is, they won't suffer money, i'm from Turkey i know...the name of the club is Besiktas JK(JK=Gymnasium Club) that means all the sports teams named Besiktas is under one roof, and their football club is really rich, and they can spread the gain of all teams named "besiktas" anyway they want.

and THY(Turkish Airlines) is sponsoring a big part of this(they've sponsored Kobe earlier this year)...Look at it this way, they pay soccer players like Simao, Quaresma 3-4million euros a year(1 euro is nearly 1,5dollar) since they pay from the same source they can look at this like they are getting another famous soccer player which, they will eventually...

and they aren't even the biggest/richest club of Turkey, they are 3rd after Galatasaray and Fenerbahçe.

NYKalltheway
07-30-2011, 06:21 AM
Do you believe that the football club's involvement in the match fixing scandal will influence this transfer?

basketfan4life
07-30-2011, 06:36 AM
Do you believe that the football club's involvement in the match fixing scandal will influence this transfer?

Well, actually this transfer might have happened by now if it weren't for that scandal, the clubs accounts taken under control and they are forbidden to spent money for a while.

but i don't think this will be an issue cause as it turns out, besiktas is barely involved with this scandal and it's Fenerbahce who did the real fixing not Besiktas, at least the last news telling this much...

in reality everybody in the country knew that Fenerbahce was fixing games, but the goverment did nothing until they have a conflict with the head of Fenerbahce, so whatever happens, if Kobe agrees to come here everybody will let it happen, i also want to remind that THY(airlines) is sponsoring Kobe and the owners of THY and the goverment here are real close,some are even relatives and they ae always on same politician side, i am embaressed to say but, it's all about money now(ithe money thy would make out of kobe), not about legality..

lastly, there is a turkish website here LakersTR.com, with 20000 members, they always meet to watch games in different cities,once i joined them and they are really really very intense, all are crazy Kobe fans,they interviwved with odom and j.crittenton when he was a rookie, but they couldn't reach to Kobe ever... you won't believe how amazingly popular Kobe(and the NBA for that matter) in Turkey(actually i saw my sig at that website before 2010 playoffs, all forum was using this one at the time)...

i think it's up to Kobe now..

montazingmvp
07-31-2011, 12:03 AM
European basketball has NO REVENUE. It's something FIBA-ULEB haven't discussed and they're handing players to the NBA for peanuts ($500,000 buyout = 300,000 euros, which is less than peanuts actually)
The Euroleague winner receives some $2,000,000 prize award which is still peanuts as it doesn't even pay for one of the 6(at least) higher earners of the winner... And tv revenue is not that much but I don't know the details.

Turks on the other hand do not care about how much money they spend. It's a common "secret" that they are money laundering in sports these days. Till the bags run out of money course. It's more helpful than damaging for the 6th-7th in strength team in Turkey to sign two NBA stars no matter what the co$t is. The reward is greater. They are now on the basketball map. Nobody knew they had a basketball team outside Turkey(it's a huge country, perhaps people there didn't even know that!) before they signed Allen Iverson. With Deron Williams' signing they have put themselves on track with the NBA fanbase and players. With Kobe the whole basketball world will be watching. It's a great deal for them. These guys do not care about the money... I can see them offering contracts to Amare(in fact, I think they already did :p ) and perhaps guys like Pau Gasol, Tony Parker, Marco Bellinelli, Andrei Kirilenko etc. Europeans that is.

If Kobe signs, I expect at least 2 more NBA players. Pachulia was about to sign but that collapsed. I guess they could be looking at someone like Bogut or Noah (I think they have a limit on non-Europeans even if they're not in the EU). Expect more from this team, but don't expect them anywhere near the trophy case.

of course there are turks who aren't familiar with basketball teams in turkey. its a marginal sport, that doesn't get a ton of mainstream coverage

MoBASS
07-31-2011, 04:55 AM
I'm a Lakers fan and I just can't see Kobe playing in turkey. His main goal is to win 6+ championships. Why would he rack up more mileage on his knee just to play overseas?

I think this is a bluff. A good bluff, but a bluff nonetheless.

No way he's gonna cut his much need vacation short to play ball when NBA championships aren't at stake.

SportsAndrew25
07-31-2011, 08:48 AM
This lockout will be ugly. Be prepared.