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aussie
07-21-2011, 12:16 PM
Just interested to see where some people rank the last #1 picks.

Kyrie is included on potential. Next CP3?

anyway enjoy

2002: Yao Ming
2003: LeBron James
2004: Dwight Howard
2005: Andrew Bogut
2006: Andrea Bargnani
2007: Greg Oden
2008: Derrick Rose
2009: Blake Griffin
2010: John Wall
2011: Kyrie Irving

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-21-2011, 12:27 PM
If we are doing this based on potential and where they'll rank when it's all set and done
1. LeBron
2. Dwight
3. Rose
4. Blake
5. Yao
6. Wall
7. Kyrie
8. Bogut
9. Bargs
10. Oden
As if right now tough it is...
1. LeBron
2. Dwight
3. Rose
4. Yao
5. Griffin
6. Wall
7. Bogut
8. Bargs
9. Kyrie
10. Oden

mightybosstone
07-21-2011, 12:27 PM
1. Lebron
2. Dwight
3. Rose
4. Griffin
5. Yao
6. Wall
7. Bogut
8. Bargnani
9. Irving
10. Oden

The only real debate for me on this list was Rose and Griffin. Rose is the better player right now, but I feel like Griffin has more upside. Sixth might seem low for Wall, but considering the players ahead of him, I think it's fair. Irving's potential is certainly questionable at this point, but Oden's injuries clearly put him in last place.

mightybosstone
07-21-2011, 12:29 PM
If we are doing this based on potential and where they'll rank when it's all set and done
1. LeBron
2. Dwight
3. Rose
4. Blake
5. Wall
6. Kyrie
7. Bogut
8. Bargs
9. Oden
As if right now tough it is...
1. LeBron
2. Dwight
3. Rose
4. Yao
5. Griffin
6. Wall
7. Bogut
8. Bargs
9. Kyrie
10. Oden

Yao isn't on your first list and being behind Rose on your second list makes no sense. Rose is still a baby in this league and Yao may have been injured a lot, but he's certainly had a better career than Rose.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-21-2011, 12:31 PM
Yao isn't on your first list and being behind Rose on your second list makes no sense. Rose is still a baby in this league and Yao may have been injured a lot, but he's certainly had a better career than Rose.

Whoops on the first list. Yeah I also thought I put Yao at number three, I'll go fix it.

Cool007
07-21-2011, 12:35 PM
1. Lebron
2. Dwight
3. Rose
4. Griffin
5. Yao
6. Wall
7. Bogut
8. Bargnani
9. Irving
10. Oden

The only real debate for me on this list was Rose and Griffin. Rose is the better player right now, but I feel like Griffin has more upside. Sixth might seem low for Wall, but considering the players ahead of him, I think it's fair. Irving's potential is certainly questionable at this point, but Oden's injuries clearly put him in last place.

This.

I would put Oden above Irving though (mainly coz he hasn't even played 1 game yet).

Sly Guy
07-21-2011, 12:48 PM
I really think wall and irving have to be omitted from the list because we have seen so little of them. It's almost unfair to compare a rookie to someone with 2-3 years in the NBA, let alone a guy who hasn't played a game yet.

Raph12
07-21-2011, 02:13 PM
1. Lebron
2. Dwight
3. Griffin
4. Yao
5. Rose
6. Wall
7. Bogut
8. Bargnani

Didn't bother with Irving and Oden because we don't know yet...

airforceones25
07-21-2011, 02:32 PM
This.

I would put Oden above Irving though (mainly coz he hasn't even played 1 game yet).

Has Oden? :D jk

tredigs
07-21-2011, 02:52 PM
Mine is a mix of performance and potential. You can call it a list of where I see them ranked in 5 years relative to each other.

Lebron
D. Howard
Griffin
John Wall
D. Rose
Ming
Bogut
Irving
Bargnani
Oden

Wall/Rose was tough for me given Rose's breakout season, but I do actually believe that Wall is the better prospect, and has already shown me enough to warrant a very high seed.

Gators123
07-21-2011, 02:54 PM
Mine is a mix of performance and potential. You can call it a list of where I see them ranked in 5 years relative to each other.

Lebron
D. Howard
Griffin
John Wall
D. Rose
Ming
Bogut
Irving
Bargnani
Oden

Wall/Rose was tough for me given Rose's breakout season, but I do actually believe that Wall is the better prospect, and has already shown me enough to warrant a very high seed.

Good list. I agree.

stuckyfreshhh
07-21-2011, 03:11 PM
Mine is a mix of performance and potential. You can call it a list of where I see them ranked in 5 years relative to each other.

Lebron
D. Howard
Griffin
John Wall
D. Rose
Ming
Bogut
Irving
Bargnani
Oden

Wall/Rose was tough for me given Rose's breakout season, but I do actually believe that Wall is the better prospect, and has already shown me enough to warrant a very high seed.

I'm a wiz fan so maybe I'ma little biased but I agree. I thought JW's rookie year was pretty dam good just as good if not better than D.Rose's and IMO he's a much better passer. We shall see tho. I think JW will make a similar jump to D.rose between yr 2 & 3.

Scheck
07-21-2011, 03:24 PM
Lebron
Dwight Howard
Derrick Rose
Bogut
Wall
Griffin
Ming
Irving
Bargnani
Oden

avon_barksdale
07-21-2011, 03:30 PM
if i was startin a team my list would go

howard
james
griffin
wall
rose
ming
oden
bogut
irving
barngani

Lake_Show2416
07-21-2011, 03:32 PM
Mine is a mix of performance and potential. You can call it a list of where I see them ranked in 5 years relative to each other.

Lebron
D. Howard
Griffin
John Wall
D. Rose
Ming
Bogut
Irving
Bargnani
Oden

Wall/Rose was tough for me given Rose's breakout season, but I do actually believe that Wall is the better prospect, and has already shown me enough to warrant a very high seed.

Maybe if this is dancing :laugh2:

alencp3
07-21-2011, 03:43 PM
Lebron
Griffin
D. Howard
John Wall
D. Rose
Ming
Bogut
Irving
Oden
Bargnani

DR_1
07-21-2011, 03:55 PM
1. Howard
2. Rose
3. LeBron
4. Blake
5. Yao
6. Wall
7. Irving
8. Bogut
9. Oden
10. Bargnani

Korman12
07-21-2011, 04:12 PM
LeBron
Dwight
Rose
Yao
Griffin
Bogut
Wall
Bargnani
Irving
Oden :/

cubbybear2290
07-21-2011, 05:06 PM
My list would probably go something like this:

1. LeBron
2. Dwight
3. Rose
4. Griffin
5. Wall
6. Yao
7. Bogut
8. Bargnani
9. Irving
10. Oden

TopsyTurvy
07-21-2011, 05:24 PM
I would have to go with:

Lebron
Dwight
Yao
Griffin
Rose
Bogut
Wall
Bargnani
Oden

The last time Washington had an MVP caliber player was Unseld (?) and I can't see that changing anytime soon.

Ebbs
07-21-2011, 05:25 PM
Based on how I think they will be ranked when it's all said and done. (Which is a shot in the dark.)
LeBron
Dwight
Rose
Griffin
Wall
Yao
Kyrie
Bogut
Bargs
Oden

gotoHcarolina52
07-21-2011, 05:36 PM
Just interested to see where some people rank the last #1 picks.

Kyrie is included on potential. Next CP3?

anyway enjoy

2002: Yao Ming
2003: LeBron James
2004: Dwight Howard
2005: Andrew Bogut
2006: Andrea Bargnani
2007: Greg Oden
2008: Derrick Rose
2009: Blake Griffin
2010: John Wall
2011: Kyrie Irving

(1) LeBron
(2) Dwight
(3) Kyrie
(4) John Wall
(5) Ming
(6) Rose
(7) Griffin
(8) Bogut
(9) Bargnani
(10) Oden

Cowboys4Life619
07-21-2011, 05:38 PM
Howard
James
Rose
Griffin
Ming
Wall
Bogut
Bragnani
Irving

First, Irving hasn't stepped on a court...Second, people underestimate Bogut...Third, D-Ho WILL be MVP this year...lol

sammid21
07-21-2011, 06:03 PM
1. LBJ
2. Howard
3. Rose
4. Griffin
5. Wall
6. Yao
7. Bogut
8. Bargiani
9. Oden
10. Irving

Rose wins MVP and gets no respect from some. messed up

TheRunKiller
07-21-2011, 07:51 PM
(1) Rose
(2) Dwight
(3) Kyrie
(4) John Wall
(5) Ming
(6) Lebron
(7) Griffin
(8) Bogut
(9) Bargnani
(10) Oden


Fixed

sammid21
07-21-2011, 07:52 PM
fixed that for you

Lol rose carried his own team!!! Lebron needs help with 2 all stars to take defensive pressure off him. Yet rose was unguardable throughout the season. Dwight was his only competition. Stop making heat fans look bad please. Rose deserved it. At least I'm not denying lbj as the top player, yet u deny rose was the ACTUAL MVP. Best players don't always win the MVP otherwise Jordan would have way more than 5

Hostetler
07-21-2011, 08:07 PM
when its all said and done:

Lebron
Howard
Griffin
Rose
Wall
Yao
Irving
Bogut
Barnani
Oden (??)

Cal827
07-21-2011, 08:08 PM
LBJ
Howard
Yao
Rose
Bogut
Griffin
Wall
Bargs
Oden
Irving

Don't want to ranke Wall/Griffin to high yet.... they are coming off of rookie years and Griffin already missed a season. The both should rise in the future but as of now, I kept them fairly low.

Irving is last because I'm not ranking too much on potential...remember Kwame Brown's potential?

Hard to pick between LBJ and Howard for #1 b/c I feel that Dwight has been overlooked a few times for MVP. Picked Lebron due to his 2 NBA final appearances as well as being the better player overall.

Rose won an MVP trophy, but has yet to make a HUGE impact on the League. I do think that will occur, but it will likely take a few years.

I find if funny that NONE of these guys have won an NBA title yet :facepalm:

tyfreaks brotha
07-21-2011, 08:10 PM
Dwight
Lebron
Griffin
Rose
Bogut
Wall
Yao
Oden
Bargnani(for now)
Irving

PZeef
07-21-2011, 08:45 PM
It's funny how many people complain about how Rose is overrated because of his flash and speed, yet put Blake Frickin Griffin ahead of him. ( and to the ones who put Wall ahead of him...lol) Blake Griffin is one of the most overrated players in the league, because of his amazing dunks. He already missed a FULL season because of injury, you can claim hes not injury prone, but as a big guy combined with he way he plays, he will get a significant injury again. He has had 2 less years of NBA experience than Rose, yet is only 5 month younger than Rose. Don't get me wrong, I think Griffin will be a great player, but will have injury issues throughout his NBA career, unfortunately.

I know I'm a Bulls fan and that immediately makes me a Rose homer and whatnot, but I'm gonna say it.

Rose is constantly underrated on this forum.

Overrated by some Bulls fans and media? sure, but way more underrated by the majority of PSD.

anyways heres my list
1. Lebron
2. Dwight
3. Rose


4. Griffin
5. Wall
6. Yao
7. Bogut
8. Irving
9. Barnani
10.Oden( biggest injury riddled bust since Same Bowie)

aussie
07-21-2011, 08:51 PM
Howard
James
Rose
Griffin
Ming
Wall
Bogut
Bragnani
Irving

First, Irving hasn't stepped on a court...Second, people underestimate Bogut...Third, D-Ho WILL be MVP this year...lol

thats why i said go off Irving's potential

MrfadeawayJB
07-21-2011, 09:13 PM
James
Howard
Ming
Rose
Griffin
Bogut
Wall
Bargnani
Irving

gotoHcarolina52
07-21-2011, 09:32 PM
Lol rose carried his own team!!! Lebron needs help with 2 all stars to take defensive pressure off him. Yet rose was unguardable throughout the season. Dwight was his only competition. Stop making heat fans look bad please. Rose deserved it. At least I'm not denying lbj as the top player, yet u deny rose was the ACTUAL MVP. Best players don't always win the MVP otherwise Jordan would have way more than 5

Carried his team? To what? 1 win and 4 losses against the HEAT. Way to go, Derrick. Way to go. :clap:

DR_1
07-21-2011, 09:40 PM
fixed that for you

Says the LeBron-lover

gaughan333
07-21-2011, 09:47 PM
Carried his team? To what? 1 win and 4 losses against the HEAT. Way to go, Derrick. Way to go. :clap:

You do understand that the MVP is for the regular season, correct?

blastmasta26
07-21-2011, 09:48 PM
Carried his team? To what? 1 win and 4 losses against the HEAT. Way to go, Derrick. Way to go. :clap:
MVP is based on the regular season...

Heat4life06
07-21-2011, 09:52 PM
It's funny how many people complain about how Rose is overrated because of his flash and speed, yet put Blake Frickin Griffin ahead of him. ( and to the ones who put Wall ahead of him...lol) Blake Griffin is one of the most overrated players in the league, because of his amazing dunks. He already missed a FULL season because of injury, you can claim hes not injury prone, but as a big guy combined with he way he plays, he will get a significant injury again. He has had 2 less years of NBA experience than Rose, yet is only 5 month younger than Rose. Don't get me wrong, I think Griffin will be a great player, but will have injury issues throughout his NBA career, unfortunately.

I know I'm a Bulls fan and that immediately makes me a Rose homer and whatnot, but I'm gonna say it.

Rose is constantly underrated on this forum.

Overrated by some Bulls fans and media? sure, but way more underrated by the majority of PSD.

anyways heres my list
1. Lebron
2. Dwight
3. Rose


4. Griffin
5. Wall
6. Yao
7. Bogut
8. Irving
9. Barnani
10.Oden( biggest injury riddled bust since Same Bowie)
I some what agree with you but to say Rose is underrated in any way is ridiculous. He was pretty much a lock for the MVP in early March even though there where plenty of other candidates with even better numbers than him.

blastmasta26
07-21-2011, 09:56 PM
I some what agree with you but to say Rose is underrated in any way is ridiculous. He was pretty much a lock for the MVP in early March even though there where plenty of other candidates with even better numbers than him.
To be fair, he did say overrated by Bulls fans and media but underrated by PSD. And the attention on the MVP race is largely influenced by the media. But I agree that Rose isn't really underrated although some people do hate on him just like some hate on LeBron.

Sixerlover
07-21-2011, 10:02 PM
Lol rose carried his own team!!! Lebron needs help with 2 all stars to take defensive pressure off him. Yet rose was unguardable throughout the season. Dwight was his only competition. Stop making heat fans look bad please. Rose deserved it. At least I'm not denying lbj as the top player, yet u deny rose was the ACTUAL MVP. Best players don't always win the MVP otherwise Jordan would have way more than 5

Lebron got double the MVP's Rose has with less help in Cleveland. And still had better numbers than Rose this year too. And even though Rose was anointed the golden child and Lebron was the hated one all year, in the playoffs when they faced off we saw who was the better player.

1. LeBron
2. Dwight
3. Rose
4. Wall
5. Yao (injuries derailed him)
6. Griffin
7. Bogut (would be over Wall + Yao + Blake if he was healthy)
8. Oden
9. Irving
10. Bargnani

wizardman34
07-21-2011, 10:12 PM
LBJ
YAO prior to injuries
Rose
D12
Wall
Griffin
Bargnani
Bogut
Irving (low b/c he hasn't played a NBA game yet)
Oden (injuries)

5ass
07-21-2011, 10:16 PM
Based on potential..
James
Howard
Griffin
Yao
Rose
Wall
Oden
Bogut

sammid21
07-22-2011, 10:14 AM
Carried his team? To what? 1 win and 4 losses against the HEAT. Way to go, Derrick. Way to go. :clap:

Carried his team all SEASON, LBJ had way more help from 2 other players that are capable and experienced in carrying a team

sammid21
07-22-2011, 10:19 AM
Lebron got double the MVP's Rose has with less help in Cleveland. And still had better numbers than Rose this year too. And even though Rose was anointed the golden child and Lebron was the hated one all year, in the playoffs when they faced off we saw who was the better player.

1. LeBron
2. Dwight
3. Rose
4. Wall
5. Yao (injuries derailed him)
6. Griffin
7. Bogut (would be over Wall + Yao + Blake if he was healthy)
8. Oden
9. Irving
10. Bargnani

Im not knocking LBJ as the best player, but Lebron did have more help and less defensive pressure this season. Rose was constantly getting double teamed all season. and the numbers werent that far off. Lebron averaged 1 more ppg, 3 more rbs, and 1 less assist. All with 2 all stars on his team.

Again give credit where credit is due, I do, Lebron is the best, just not last year. He deserved the 2 MVPs in cleveland because he didnt have the help he has now, and he carried his team alone, just like Rose did last year.

Shareeb_omac2
07-22-2011, 10:53 AM
John Wall is already a better point guard than Derrick Rose. Compare his rookie season to Rose's... I don't see why people really think it's that big of a leap to say he's not that far behind Rose, already.

Then look at how terrible the Wizards were and he still managed to put up 16, 8, and 5.


And Bulls fans quit giving your team less credit than it deserved. Noah, Deng, Korver, and Boozer aren't terrible players. Derrick Rose didn't carry you guys at all.

sammid21
07-22-2011, 11:23 AM
John Wall is already a better point guard than Derrick Rose. Compare his rookie season to Rose's... I don't see why people really think it's that big of a leap to say he's not that far behind Rose, already.

Then look at how terrible the Wizards were and he still managed to put up 16, 8, and 5.


And Bulls fans quit giving your team less credit than it deserved. Noah, Deng, Korver, and Boozer aren't terrible players. Derrick Rose didn't carry you guys at all.

Wall has a bright future, maybe he'll be a better PG than Rose, but unless he developes his shot, i doubt he'll be a better player than Rose.

As for discrediting the rest of the Bulls, Noah, cant score and is just an energy guy who is a good help defender, not 1 on 1. Boozer is too inconsistent, he is like Rex grossman, he is either playing great (rarely) or a liability, Korver sucked last year with a handful of ok games. Deng was most consistant, but like the rest of them, they cant create their own shot, so if you watched as many Bulls games as I did, you'll see that Rose had to set everyone up, or he'd get the ball with a couple seconds left on the clock which made him have to chuck a shot up. so yes, he did carry his team for most of the season.

Cool007
07-22-2011, 11:29 AM
John Wall is already a better point guard than Derrick Rose. Compare his rookie season to Rose's.

How did he have a better season???

Wall: 16ppg 8apg 4rpg on 41%fg 42.7% Efg on a 23-win team.

Rose: 17ppg 6apg 4rpg on 47%fg 48% Efg on a 41-win team that made the playoffs and he was a HUGE part of it - along with Gordon and had a Rookie coach with NO CLUE - Rose also played PG part time basically with Hinrich on the team - Bulls were running Duo-PG system.



Then look at how terrible the Wizards were and he still managed to put up 16, 8, and 5.


really??? on 41%fg and on a really bad team??? Jennings would have replicated that as well.



And Bulls fans quit giving your team less credit than it deserved. Noah, Deng, Korver, and Boozer aren't terrible players. Derrick Rose didn't carry you guys at all.


You do know that Korver doesn't play ton of minutes and Noah and Boozer were injured A LOT. Noah was pretty phenomenal in the 1st month but after that he was nowhere near himself. He was PATHETIC in the playoffs and so was Boozer.

Deng was the only player that really helped Bulls/Rose.

Yes, D-Rose did carry the Bulls to 62-wins on a injury riddled team with new coach, new system, 8-new players and that team started 9-8 because of that.

carnage101
07-22-2011, 11:38 AM
if i were to start a team today i would build around a big man as opposed to a big man pretending to play pg. But that's just my 2 cents.

1 dwight
2 lebron
3 yao
4 griffin
everyone else doesn't matter

Shareeb_omac2
07-22-2011, 12:49 PM
How did he have a better season???

(1.)Wall: 16ppg 8apg 4rpg on 41%fg 42.7% Efg on a 23-win team.

Rose: 17ppg 6apg 4rpg on 47%fg 48% Efg on a 41-win team that made the playoffs and he was a HUGE part of it - along with Gordon and had a Rookie coach with NO CLUE - (2.)Rose also played PG part time basically with Hinrich on the team - Bulls were running Duo-PG system.



(3.)really??? on 41%fg and on a really bad team??? Jennings would have replicated that as well.



(4.)You do know that Korver doesn't play ton of minutes and Noah and Boozer were injured A LOT. Noah was pretty phenomenal in the 1st month but after that he was nowhere near himself. He was PATHETIC in the playoffs and so was Boozer.

Deng was the only player that really helped Bulls/Rose.

Yes, D-Rose did carry the Bulls to 62-wins on a injury riddled team with new coach, new system, 8-new players and that team started 9-8 because of that.

(1.)How about we look at the specific stats. Wall clearly wins in rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, 3pt percentage, and he got to the freethrow line nearly twice as much. Pretty much all the categories he loses in are directly resulted from having to be the entire team. When you play the Wizards who do you guard? JOHN WALL. That results in a lower FG% and more turnovers.

John Wall-----16.4ppg 41.0%FG 29.6%3PT 76.6%FT(4.4/5.7) 4.6RBD 8.3ast 3.8TO 1.8STL 0.5BLK
Derrick Rose-16.8ppg 47.5%FG 22.2%3PT 78.8%FT(2.4/3.1) 3.9RBD 6.3ast 2.5TO 0.8STL 0.2BLK

(2.)Haha Derrick Rose had to play part time PG with Hinrich?!?!?! So did John Wall:laugh2:!!!! And to make things worse, he had Gilbert Arenas on his team in the very beginning of the season.

Your. Point. Is. Moot.

(3.)John Wall was the only source of offense for the majority of the season. Honestly, who besides Wall do the Wizards have as a go to player? McGee is raw talent that was extremely inconsistent. If you take a look at his game log you will see his FG% was much higher when he had Arenas or other teammates were scoring.

When Rose was a rookie(2008-2009) he had Ben Gordon in his prime. Ben Gordon was your go to player putting up 20ppg. Drew Gooden put up 13 and 8. Hinrich, Nocioni, and Tyrus Thomas were great role players back then. For the second half of the year Brad Miller was given you 13 points a game. Rose had all the help a rookie could ask for.

Wall's support to Rose's doesn't even compare.

(4.)I don't think you get the point. Those players together played well. Boozer didn't have to be Boozer old, Noah didn't have to score at all, Deng was consistently there in support, and Korver provided a 3 point threat. Those players together were a good team. They didn't ride Rose to the playoffs. The fact that they lost in the playoffs when Boozer and Noah played bad proves that they were extremely important to your team!!!

PZeef
07-22-2011, 01:12 PM
if i were to start a team today i would build around a big man as opposed to a big man pretending to play pg. But that's just my 2 cents.

1 dwight
2 lebron
3 yao
4 griffin
everyone else doesn't matter

To start a team, you would really pick Yao and Griffin 3rd and 4th? So I'm assuming you mean to start a team if injuries were not a factor. The thing is, especially with big men, injuries are ALWAYS a factor.

Is it me or is Dwight a little overrated on PSD as well? Don't get me wrong hes the best center by a mile in the NBA, but does that speak to Dwights greatness or the weakness of the center position in the NBA right now? I would still definitely rate Dwight a top 3 player in the NBA, but Lebron is better, sorry. I really do think when people put Dirk or Dwight or Kobe ahead of Lebron, they really are just haters. Yeah Lebron had a miserable Finals, but he is still the player I would take over any other on my team.

Raph12
07-22-2011, 03:19 PM
The Rose vs Wall arguement is legit, Wall has shown a great deal of potential in his rookie season... If both meet their full potential, I think Wall clearly has the edge.

Bulls_fan90
07-22-2011, 10:07 PM
The Rose vs Wall arguement is legit, Wall has shown a great deal of potential in his rookie season... If both meet their full potential, I think Wall clearly has the edge.

Just like the Tyreke, Jennings, Curry, Westbrook, Rondo arguements were "legit". Rose will AGAIN prove the haters wrong. Youngest MVP in NBA history. Enough said.

Cracka2HI!
07-22-2011, 10:20 PM
Unless LeBron gains a killer instinct that lasts late into the playoffs I would say Blake and Rose have a higher ceiling than him. We'll see how it ends up but I would bet that by the time all of their careers are over LeBron will known as the best #2 of all time who won a few rings, while Blake and Rose win about the same amount of rings as dominant players who are in the mold of MJ. I could be being too hard on LeBron and too high on Blake and Rose, but those 2 guys seem to have more MJ in them than LBJ. It could be because they played in College.

MrfadeawayJB
07-22-2011, 10:20 PM
Wall has a bright future, maybe he'll be a better PG than Rose, but unless he developes his shot, i doubt he'll be a better player than Rose.

As for discrediting the rest of the Bulls, Noah, cant score and is just an energy guy who is a good help defender, not 1 on 1. Boozer is too inconsistent, he is like Rex grossman, he is either playing great (rarely) or a liability, Korver sucked last year with a handful of ok games. Deng was most consistant, but like the rest of them, they cant create their own shot, so if you watched as many Bulls games as I did, you'll see that Rose had to set everyone up, or he'd get the ball with a couple seconds left on the clock which made him have to chuck a shot up. so yes, he did carry his team for most of the season.

Isnt this what LeBron did his entire career in Cleveland? LeBron lead his team of nobody's to the ecf multiple times. Rose clearly has a better supporting cast last year than LeBron had during his tenure in Cleveland.

VCaintdead17
07-22-2011, 10:28 PM
Mine is a mix of performance and potential. You can call it a list of where I see them ranked in 5 years relative to each other.

Lebron
D. Howard
Griffin
John Wall
D. Rose
Ming
Bogut
Irving
Bargnani
Oden

Wall/Rose was tough for me given Rose's breakout season, but I do actually believe that Wall is the better prospect, and has already shown me enough to warrant a very high seed.

x2

Shareeb_omac2
07-23-2011, 04:20 PM
Just like the Tyreke, Jennings, Curry, Westbrook, Rondo arguements were "legit". Rose will AGAIN prove the haters wrong. Youngest MVP in NBA history. Enough said.

I've never thought any of those players were all that great except for Rondo. Once again, it's hard to compare Rose to real point guards. Rose is like a better Steve Francis.

People will soon realize Wall is the real deal... As soon as Wizards have a somewhat relevant team. And trust me I'm not a homer of any kind. I'm not a Wizards fan but I benefit from watching them play because of the fact that I live in Maryland.

Hawkeye15
07-23-2011, 04:26 PM
Just interested to see where some people rank the last #1 picks.

Kyrie is included on potential. Next CP3?

anyway enjoy

2002: Yao Ming
2003: LeBron James
2004: Dwight Howard
2005: Andrew Bogut
2006: Andrea Bargnani
2007: Greg Oden
2008: Derrick Rose
2009: Blake Griffin
2010: John Wall
2011: Kyrie Irving

LeBron
Dwight
Durant
Rose
Ming
Griffin
Bogut
Wall
Bargnani
Oden
Irving (hasn't played a minute, therefore last for me)

Hawkeye15
07-23-2011, 04:40 PM
my list will change every year, as the younger players grow

Kashmir13579
07-23-2011, 04:49 PM
Why do people think John Wall will be better than Rose?

Sportfan
07-23-2011, 04:54 PM
Lebron
Dwight
Griffin
Rose
Yao
Wall
Bogut
Kyrie
Bargnani
oden

PrettyBoyJ
07-23-2011, 05:16 PM
As of today:

LeBron James
Dwight Howard
Derick Rose
Blake Griffin
Yao Ming
John Wall
Andrew Bogut
Andrea Brangani
Greg Oden
Kyrie Irving (hasnt played so last by default)

PrettyBoyJ
07-23-2011, 05:25 PM
I've never thought any of those players were all that great except for Rondo. Once again, it's hard to compare Rose to real point guards. Rose is like a better Steve Francis.

People will soon realize Wall is the real deal... As soon as Wizards have a somewhat relevant team. And trust me I'm not a homer of any kind. I'm not a Wizards fan but I benefit from watching them play because of the fact that I live in Maryland.

Damn thats like a slap in the face to Derick Rose..

I don't see how you cant compare Rose to a real point guard.. Forget about assist numbers (which He avg. 7.7) Isn't a "real point guard" is someone who can control an offense, set up his teammates, make plays when they count, make everyone else around him better, and most important win basketball games.. I believe Rose posses all of those qualities he may not be the best at it but don't discredit him because he scores a lot of points..

Bullsfan22
07-23-2011, 05:44 PM
PSD, where you can get away with saying Wall has a clear edge over Rose in the next 5 seasons based off one rookie year..mind you the same year Rose wins a MVP at the age of 22, just a couple years older than Wall.

There goes your potential Rose, you got an mvp you're done. You can't become a better passer, defender and shooter at the same rate John Wall can!

NBA forum>............

IndiansFan337
07-23-2011, 05:52 PM
LeBron James
Dwight Howard
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin
Yao Ming
John Wall
Andrew Bogut
Kyrie Irving
Andrea Bargnani
Greg Oden


Oden is last on my list right now, but I still believe he can move up. If he could ever stay healthy I think he is a walking double-double with 2-3 bpg. Honestly, I think he's better than Tyson Chandler and everyone is giving him mad props after last season's Mavs championship run.

John Wall certainly could surpass Yao Ming eventually.

It's very hard to accurately evaluate Irving at this point.

Hawkeye15
07-23-2011, 06:57 PM
Why do people think John Wall will be better than Rose?

no clue. Wall is literally a poor man's Rose imo. Now, could he surpass Rose? Maybe. But he sure has a lot of growing to do....

Hawkeye15
07-23-2011, 06:58 PM
Rose is gonna be the next, "I went from underrated to overrated back to underrated" star, isn't he

Iodine
07-23-2011, 07:00 PM
He might, but it would require for the people who hate to over balance the people who <3 him

Shareeb_omac2
07-23-2011, 10:40 PM
no clue. Wall is literally a poor man's Rose imo. Now, could he surpass Rose? Maybe. But he sure has a lot of growing to do....


I'm most certain that 90% of PSD users haven't seen Wall play more than 3 NBA games.

Hawkeye15
07-24-2011, 09:46 AM
I'm most certain that 90% of PSD users haven't seen Wall play more than 3 NBA games.

while that may be true, some of us have seen him play thru college, and more than 3 times in the NBA. Its not a slight to question as to whether Wall can become better than the 22 year old MVP.

SaimuKala
07-24-2011, 09:54 AM
1. LeBron
2. Dwight
3. Rose
4. Griffin
5. Yao
6. Wall
7. Irving
8. Bogut
9. Bargnani
10. Oden


__________________

MR.TRIPDUB
07-24-2011, 10:42 AM
Most list are the same because there is little debate here. Ranking the ROYs each year is more of a challenge.

JordansBulls
07-27-2011, 12:51 PM
If we are doing this based on potential and where they'll rank when it's all set and done
1. LeBron
2. Dwight
3. Rose
4. Blake
5. Yao
6. Wall
7. Kyrie
8. Bogut
9. Bargs
10. Oden
As if right now tough it is...
1. LeBron
2. Dwight
3. Rose
4. Yao
5. Griffin
6. Wall
7. Bogut
8. Bargs
9. Kyrie
10. Oden

This

Stack_NJNets
07-27-2011, 02:42 PM
1. Lebron
2. Dwight
3. Rose
4. Griffin
5. Yao
6. Wall
7. Bogut
8. Bargnani
9. Irving
10. Oden

LA_Raiders
07-28-2011, 01:58 AM
1. Lebron
2. Dwight
3. Rose
4. Griffin
5. Yao
6. Wall
7. Bogut
8. Bargnani
9. Irving
10. Oden

this

bearadonisdna
07-28-2011, 03:45 PM
it doesnt make sense how anyone could put yaO above rose.

bearadonisdna
07-28-2011, 03:46 PM
or wall for that matter. lol

Tony_Starks
07-28-2011, 03:54 PM
Just interested to see where some people rank the last #1 picks.

Kyrie is included on potential. Next CP3?

anyway enjoy

2002: Yao Ming
2003: LeBron James
2004: Dwight Howard
2005: Andrew Bogut
2006: Andrea Bargnani
2007: Greg Oden
2008: Derrick Rose
2009: Blake Griffin
2010: John Wall
2011: Kyrie Irving



Dwight
Lebron
Blake Griffin
D Rose
Yao
John Wall
Bogut
Bargs
Oden
Irving

bearadonisdna
07-28-2011, 04:00 PM
blake griffin isnt even an all nba selection so he shouldnt be listed higher than all nba -first teamer and league mvp rose.

J-Relo
07-28-2011, 04:21 PM
2003: LeBron James
2004: Dwight Howard
2008: Derrick Rose
2009: Blake Griffin
2005: Andrew Bogut
2010: John Wall
2011: Kyrie Irving
2002: Yao Ming
2007: Greg Oden
2006: Andrea Bargnani

Ironman5219
07-28-2011, 04:38 PM
2002: Yao Ming
2003: LeBron James
2004: Dwight Howard
2005: Andrew Bogut
2006: Andrea Bargnani
2007: Greg Oden
2008: Derrick Rose
2009: Blake Griffin
2010: John Wall
2011: Kyrie Irving

Isn't it interesting that none of these guys have won a ring yet?
1) LeBron James duh
2) Dwight Howard Best big man in the game
3) Rose- MVP buy no finals yet is why he's #3
4) Black Griffin
5) Yao
6) Andrew Bogut
7) John Wall
8) Andrea Bargnani
9) Kyrie Irving hasn't proven anything yet
10) Oden- Bust

JEDean89
07-28-2011, 06:41 PM
1. Lebron
2. Dwight Howard
3. Rose
4. Griffin
5. Ming (injuries considered)
6. Wall
7. Bogut
8. Bargnani
9. Irving (only because we havent seen him play)
10. Oden (injuries considered)

The list would be different based off potential but guys like irving and wall could be higher this time next year.

JordansBulls
07-29-2011, 12:25 PM
John Wall is already a better point guard than Derrick Rose. Compare his rookie season to Rose's... I don't see why people really think it's that big of a leap to say he's not that far behind Rose, already.

Then look at how terrible the Wizards were and he still managed to put up 16, 8, and 5.


And Bulls fans quit giving your team less credit than it deserved. Noah, Deng, Korver, and Boozer aren't terrible players. Derrick Rose didn't carry you guys at all.

:laugh2:

The Wizards were 26-56 the year before they drafted Wall. And Wall with the Wizards last year was 23-59. So they got worse with him.

mightybosstone
07-29-2011, 12:32 PM
2003: LeBron James
2004: Dwight Howard
2008: Derrick Rose
2009: Blake Griffin
2005: Andrew Bogut
2010: John Wall
2011: Kyrie Irving
2002: Yao Ming
2007: Greg Oden
2006: Andrea Bargnani

How is Yao below Bogut, Wall and Irving on this list? If Bogut played another 5-10 years, he would never be the player that Yao was, and neither Wall or Irving have accomplished or proven anything yet.

mightybosstone
07-29-2011, 12:40 PM
it doesnt make sense how anyone could put yaO above rose.

If you're not considering the future at all, I think Yao has had the better of the two careers up to this point. If Rose's career ended tomorrow, Yao would still likely be a Hall of Famer and Rose wouldn't even be considered.

You'll say something like "Rose has an MVP and Yao doesn't!" So? Yao has been worthy of MVP consideration a couple of times in his career and Rose's MVP last year was certainly debatable (in my eyes, it was Lebron and I would have picked Dwight over Rose as well).

Am I saying that Rose is not a phenomenal player? No. But Yao has played for much longer than Rose and had MUCH more of an impact on defense.

wjmoffatt
07-29-2011, 12:49 PM
1.) Dwight Howard, D Player of the year how many years running now?
2.) Derrick Rose (Not hatin on Lebron James here, I just feel like Rose by the time his Lebrons age will have accomplished as much if not more)
3.) Lebron James
4.) Kyrie Irvin (stretch here but i like the fact that his a true PG and locks people down on the other end)
5.) John Wall (needs to stop turning it over)
6.) Blake Griffin (He can dunk, so What! His just an athletic Noah right now,needs to develop his game a good deal)
7.) Andrew Bogut
8.) Yao Ming (was over hyped)
9.) Andrea Bargnani

todu82
07-29-2011, 01:03 PM
Lebron
Dwight
Rose
Ming
Bogut
Griffin
Bargnani
Wall
Oden
Irving

LakersA's49ers
07-29-2011, 01:09 PM
2002: Yao Ming- A- short career but did so much for houston
2003: LeBron James- B+ a ring gives him an A simply
2004: Dwight Howard- B+ read above
2005: Andrew Bogut- B great rebounder, does a lot for milwaukee
2006: Andrea Bargnani- C- european players rarely work out
2007: Greg Oden- F when you pass up durant, its an automatic fail
2008: Derrick Rose- B- 1 MVP, number 1 seed last year. more to come?
2009: Blake Griffin- A -clippers arent winning anytime soon, so the championship thing goes out. just going with the marketing
2010: John Wall- C -kind of overrated. the dougie master wont be special in DC
2011: Kyrie Irving- D -beneficiary of a horrible draft class

mightybosstone
07-29-2011, 01:15 PM
1.) Dwight Howard, D Player of the year how many years running now?
2.) Derrick Rose (Not hatin on Lebron James here, I just feel like Rose by the time his Lebrons age will have accomplished as much if not more)
3.) Lebron James
4.) Kyrie Irvin (stretch here but i like the fact that his a true PG and locks people down on the other end)
5.) John Wall (needs to stop turning it over)
6.) Blake Griffin (He can dunk, so What! His just an athletic Noah right now,needs to develop his game a good deal)
7.) Andrew Bogut
8.) Yao Ming (was over hyped)
9.) Andrea Bargnani

Worst list I've seen yet. Yao 9th behind Bogut, Irving and Wall? Dwight and Rose ahead of James? This poster clearly doesn't watch basketball or is trolling...

omdigga
07-29-2011, 02:46 PM
lebron
dwight
rose
yao
griffin
wall
bogut
bargs
oden
irving

bearadonisdna
07-29-2011, 05:46 PM
If you're not considering the future at all, I think Yao has had the better of the two careers up to this point. If Rose's career ended tomorrow, Yao would still likely be a Hall of Famer and Rose wouldn't even be considered.

You'll say something like "Rose has an MVP and Yao doesn't!" So? Yao has been worthy of MVP consideration a couple of times in his career and Rose's MVP last year was certainly debatable (in my eyes, it was Lebron and I would have picked Dwight over Rose as well).

Am I saying that Rose is not a phenomenal player? No. But Yao has played for much longer than Rose and had MUCH more of an impact on defense.

Roses mvp is not really debatable. It was a landslide vote. You cant just dismiss an MVP with 'so?' as its one of ther hardest awards to win.

also yao has never been all nba first team. and its debatable that yaio had even 1 season as good as rose.
i also dont remember yao in any conference finals.

Chill_Will_24
07-29-2011, 06:15 PM
The Rose vs Wall arguement is legit, Wall has shown a great deal of potential in his rookie season... If both meet their full potential, I think Wall clearly has the edge.

I agree with this 100%. Wall is legit and already a better pg than Rose. Wall will be the best pg in the league within the next 5 years.

Hitman21
07-29-2011, 06:44 PM
I would have to go with:

Lebron
Dwight
Yao
Griffin
Rose
Bogut
Wall
Bargnani
Oden

The last time Washington had an MVP caliber player was Unseld (?) and I can't see that changing anytime soon.


So you put wall behind bogut, because washington hasnt had an MVP caliber player in a long time? :facepalm: thats yur reasoning?

Hitman21
07-29-2011, 06:54 PM
:laugh2:

The Wizards were 26-56 the year before they drafted Wall. And Wall with the Wizards last year was 23-59. So they got worse with him.

They got rid of all 5 of their starters ya dumbass

bearadonisdna
07-29-2011, 07:09 PM
The Wizards were 26-56 the year before they drafted Wall. And Wall with the Wizards last year was 23-59. So they got worse with him.

this.

bearadonisdna
07-29-2011, 07:13 PM
I agree with this 100%. Wall is legit and already a better pg than Rose. Wall will be the best pg in the league within the next 5 years.

Rose vs Wall is not legit. Rose is hands down the better player now. right now, i dont even see how wall is even mentioned in the same sentence as rose, beside being a number 1 pick.

Wall didnt even get as many assist as rose this season. Rose had over 600 whilst wall had 574.

Chill_Will_24
07-29-2011, 07:32 PM
Rose vs Wall is not legit. Rose is hands down the better player now. right now, i dont even see how wall is even mentioned in the same sentence as rose, beside being a number 1 pick.

Wall didnt even get as many assist as rose this season. Rose had over 600 whilst wall had 574.

Wall missed months with a toe problem or something if im remembering correctly. I know Rose is the better player right now but he isnt a better PG and Wall will be the best in 5 years tops

Hitman21
07-29-2011, 07:42 PM
Wall missed months with a toe problem or something if im remembering correctly. I know Rose is the better player right now but he isnt a better PG and Wall will be the best in 5 years tops

Exactly. Rose also had boozer deng Noah. Wall had nobody. Obviously rose had a better season. He was MVP. All these bulls fans get sooo butt hurt when people say wall has the potential to be better in the future.

bearadonisdna
07-29-2011, 07:44 PM
Wall missed months with a toe problem or something if im remembering correctly. I know Rose is the better player right now but he isnt a better PG and Wall will be the best in 5 years tops

-I know Rose is the better player right now but he isnt a better PG and Wall will be the best in 5 years tops-

It will be an uphill battle for wall to even make the east all star team. it may take him 5 years.

saying that wall is a better pg is a baseless opinion, because there is absolutely no tangible evidence you can base that on.

bearadonisdna
07-29-2011, 08:10 PM
Exactly. Rose also had boozer deng Noah. Wall had nobody. Obviously rose had a better season. He was MVP. All these bulls fans get sooo butt hurt when people say wall has the potential to be better in the future.

its not about potential, as thats mostly based on opinion.
some people, like chill will, are claiming that wall is currently the better pg.

Chill_Will_24
07-29-2011, 08:12 PM
-I know Rose is the better player right now but he isnt a better PG and Wall will be the best in 5 years tops-

It will be an uphill battle for wall to even make the east all star team. it may take him 5 years.

saying that wall is a better pg is a baseless opinion, because there is absolutely no tangible evidence you can base that on.

Except the fact that i have watched them both play their entire college and pro careers. I watched Rose a lot because he has always excited me as a player and cuz he reminds me of one of my fav players in Allen Iverson. I watched him in Memphis and followed him very closely in CHI especially this year since the Bulls are on national tv every other day.

Wall i started following closely once it became obvious that my Nets would be horrible and would have the best shot at him. I grew fascinated by his style of play, which regardless of what many say is NOT that similar to Rose's. In fact the main things they have in common is in their physical attributes like blinding speed, elite athleticism etc. Anyway even after my Nets lost out on him i found that i had become a huge fan of him. Lucky for me my dad is a huge basketball fan and pays for league pass so i have watched EVERY Wizards game this year.

So in the sense that i have watched them both play a lot i know more than you may think. Wall is a prototypical PG. He has Rondo skills with the body type of Rose (slightly weaker and slightly faster). He has court vision and passing skills that Rose has yet to develop and just knows how to run a team. He will be a better PG than Rose soon enough. Better player? idk thats tougher. The media loves their scorers and marketable players so i dont think Wall will ever be recognized by the media as better than Rose. I mean BSPN and the TNT crew are already calling Rose the best pg in the league bypassing Deron and Paul which is crazy imo even thou Williams in particular had an injury plagued year so i guess i can see how he might be overlooked in favor of Rose.

Chill_Will_24
07-29-2011, 08:15 PM
Exactly. Rose also had boozer deng Noah. Wall had nobody. Obviously rose had a better season. He was MVP. All these bulls fans get sooo butt hurt when people say wall has the potential to be better in the future.

Well these Bulls fans better start getting used to it cuz Wall and Rose have been compared to each other since their high school days and it wont change now that they are both in the league just cuz Rose had an overrated season and a debatable MVP award. They will always be compared. Wall is like the anti Rose. They are identical physically but two completely different styles. One is pass first then score and the other is score first then pass

bearadonisdna
07-29-2011, 08:25 PM
Well these Bulls fans better start getting used to it cuz Wall and Rose have been compared to each other since their high school days and it wont change now that they are both in the league just cuz Rose had an overrated season and a debatable MVP award. They will always be compared. Wall is like the anti Rose. They are identical physically but two completely different styles. One is pass first then score and the other is score first then pass

so according to you, the better floor leader is the player who led his team to 23 wins as opposed to the player who led his team to 62 wins? right......\

Hitman21
07-29-2011, 08:26 PM
wall did avg more assists per game in his rookie season with a bunch of scrubs, than rose in his mvp season...just sayin

bearadonisdna
07-29-2011, 08:29 PM
wall did avg more assists per game in his rookie season with a bunch of scrubs, than rose in his mvp season...just sayin

he only avg 1 more assist but rose had more assists overall. which is a good quality for a point guard, durability.

Shareeb_omac2
07-29-2011, 08:30 PM
Except the fact that i have watched them both play their entire college and pro careers. I watched Rose a lot because he has always excited me as a player and cuz he reminds me of one of my fav players in Allen Iverson. I watched him in Memphis and followed him very closely in CHI especially this year since the Bulls are on national tv every other day.

Wall i started following closely once it became obvious that my Nets would be horrible and would have the best shot at him. I grew fascinated by his style of play, which regardless of what many say is NOT that similar to Rose's. In fact the main things they have in common is in their physical attributes like blinding speed, elite athleticism etc. Anyway even after my Nets lost out on him i found that i had become a huge fan of him. Lucky for me my dad is a huge basketball fan and pays for league pass so i have watched EVERY Wizards game this year.

So in the sense that i have watched them both play a lot i know more than you may think. Wall is a prototypical PG. He has Rondo skills with the body type of Rose (slightly weaker and slightly faster). He has court vision and passing skills that Rose has yet to develop and just knows how to run a team. He will be a better PG than Rose soon enough. Better player? idk thats tougher. The media loves their scorers and marketable players so i dont think Wall will ever be recognized by the media as better than Rose. I mean BSPN and the TNT crew are already calling Rose the best pg in the league bypassing Deron and Paul which is crazy imo even thou Williams in particular had an injury plagued year so i guess i can see how he might be overlooked in favor of Rose.

Thank you. Rose fans just don't seem to get this. I like both players and I have no reason to like Wall more. From watching both I feel like Wall's skill set actually has more potential than Rose. Once the Wizards start getting a little air time on tv people will slowly understand where these comparisons come from.

Shareeb_omac2
07-29-2011, 08:32 PM
he only avg 1 more assist but rose had more assists overall. which is a good quality for a point guard, durability.

A lot of the games Wall missed were for precautionary reasons... The Wizards knew they weren't contenders since day 1.

Chill_Will_24
07-29-2011, 08:33 PM
so according to you, the better floor leader is the player who led his team to 23 wins as opposed to the player who led his team to 62 wins? right......\

That's a stupid argument so i wont address it. Wizards are a rebuilding team. Bulls are an elite team with good players surrounding Rose. Get real.

Hitman21
07-29-2011, 08:43 PM
he only avg 1 more assist but rose had more assists overall. which is a good quality for a point guard, durability.

well based on your logic, rose had more turnovers then wall overall...so does that make him worse the wall? no....im not arguing that wall is better than rose....im just sayin wall has the potential to be a better pg...dont take it so personally...its an opinion.

bearadonisdna
07-29-2011, 08:59 PM
well based on your logic, rose had more turnovers then wall overall...so does that make him worse the wall? no....im not arguing that wall is better than rose....im just sayin wall has the potential to be a better pg...dont take it so personally...its an opinion.

Well i dont see the potential you see in Wall.

DwayneMVPwade
07-29-2011, 09:03 PM
1.Lebron
2. Dwight
3.Derrick Rose
4. Griffin
5. Bogut
6.Yao
7. John Wall
8. Bargs
9. Oden
10. Kyrie , hard to say since he has yet to play a game in the NBA

Boston Fever
07-29-2011, 09:10 PM
1. LeBron James
2. Derrick Rose
3. Dwight Howard
4. Blake Griffin
5. John Wall
6. Kyrie Irving
7. Andrew Bogut
8. Yao Ming
9. Andrea Bargnani
10. Greg Oden

Chill_Will_24
07-29-2011, 09:41 PM
On another note, i am of the belief that when it is all said and done Dwight Howard will have a better career than Lebron James. Lebron James' legacy has taking huge hot and thats no cliche or just popular opinion. Its truth. I dont think Dwight is better but career and legacy wise i think Lebron will rank below him.

bearadonisdna
07-29-2011, 09:53 PM
well based on your logic, rose had more turnovers then wall overall...so does that make him worse the wall? no....im not arguing that wall is better than rose....im just sayin wall has the potential to be a better pg...dont take it so personally...its an opinion.

btw wall avgs more turnovers than rose and rose only had 17 more turnovers in 23 more games started.

Chill_Will_24
07-29-2011, 10:08 PM
btw wall avgs more turnovers than rose and rose only had 17 more turnovers in 23 more games started.

Are you looking at Rose's rookie year or this one?

Hitman21
07-29-2011, 10:21 PM
btw wall avgs more turnovers than rose and rose only had 17 more turnovers in 23 more games started.

No ****. It's called sarcasm geniius. Obviously I already saw the stats. I said based on Yur logic for a reason. And then I went on to say rose is a better player right now. But keep picking n choosing what parts u want to read and respond to. N completely disregard everything else I said

bearadonisdna
07-29-2011, 11:11 PM
Are you looking at Rose's rookie year or this one?

last season. Roses rookie season was more impressive than walls anyways.

lilojmayo
07-31-2011, 01:48 AM
Says the LeBron-lover

http://bucket.imustbuild.com/files/damn.gif


That's one hell of a checklist for the Bulls. Traded for Dwight Howard and OJ Mayo in the same off season. You truely have to be a mastermind to pull that off.