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Mile High Champ
07-20-2011, 10:38 AM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last three years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. Its is now that time to vote! I would like to start this up once more considering the NBA season is now over and we can get to this discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 2 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best.

2011 Off Season SF Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Kevin Durant
3) Carmelo Anthony
4) Paul Pierce
5) Andre Iguodala
6) Danny Granger
7) Luol Deng
8) Rudy Gay
9) Gerald Wallace
10) Danilo Gallinari



2010 Off Season SF Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Kevin Durant
3) Carmelo Anthony
4) Paul Pierce
5) Danny Granger
6) Gerald Wallace
7) Andre Iguodala
8) Rudy Gay
9) Luol Deng
10) Ron Artest

2009 Off Season SF Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Carmelo Anthony
3) Kevin Durant
4) Paul Pierce
5) Danny Granger
6) Andre Iguodala
7) Caron Butler
8) Hedo Turkoglu
9) Ron Artest
10) Stephen Jackson

2008 Off-Season SF rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Paul Pierce
3) Carmelo Anthony
4) Caron Butler
5) Ron Artest
6) Shawn Marion
7) Josh Smith
8) Richard Jefferson
9) Lamar Odom
10) Tayshaun Prince

Mile High Champ
07-20-2011, 10:50 AM
Here come the debate. No Clear cut number 10.

Bryrob58
07-20-2011, 10:50 AM
Can't wait to read through the debates for this spot.

Rivera
07-20-2011, 10:51 AM
i gotta go with gallanari on this one

Swashcuff
07-20-2011, 10:53 AM
Dude WTF? Where is Thaddeus Young?

I'm not voting. This thread is going to be garbage.

jimbobjarree
07-20-2011, 10:56 AM
should just make it a tie between 6 or 7 of them, they're all pretty meh

jimbobjarree
07-20-2011, 10:57 AM
also putting cj miles over AK, let alone Thad Young is pretty funny

Gibby23
07-20-2011, 10:58 AM
Ill go with Ron Artest over most of the guys on the list and Stephen Jackson over all of them.

Gibby23
07-20-2011, 11:01 AM
Where is M.Beasley? He would have a chance to win this spot if he was on the list. Better than most on the list.

ManRam
07-20-2011, 11:02 AM
I added Thad, because I knew, and saw, someone would be upset. He is better than half the guys on this list...

This one is tough. I'm gonna have to ponder this one.

Swashcuff
07-20-2011, 11:03 AM
Thaddeus Young was more valuable last season thanALL the guys on this list and yet still he is not included in the poll. What garbage utter GARBAGE!!!!!

Edit: Thanks ManRam... Rant over time to make my case.

ChitownSports16
07-20-2011, 11:03 AM
I like Ariza on this one...

stuckyfreshhh
07-20-2011, 11:11 AM
Where is M.Beasley????

Went Gallo here.

pebloemer
07-20-2011, 11:12 AM
I like Ariza on this one...

Your sig is hilarious.

Too close between everyone here. I'll give my vote to Grant Hill out of respect for the player and respect for defensive impact.

mightybosstone
07-20-2011, 11:13 AM
You could make a case for the following players: Marion, Chandler, Galinari, Butler, Batum, Young, Wright, Hill and Kirilenko. I'm not buying the other guys on this list, and as a Rockets fan who has seen Ariza first hand, I don't even think he should be in the conversation.

dwadefan03
07-20-2011, 11:14 AM
this one is pretty clearly gallinari

jp611
07-20-2011, 11:15 AM
Beasley's not on here because he has no business being on here

Da Knicks
07-20-2011, 11:16 AM
Gallo and Thad have to be the ones here, i went gallo...

Sadds The Gr8
07-20-2011, 11:20 AM
Wilson Chandler

Sadds The Gr8
07-20-2011, 11:21 AM
Beasley's not on here because he has no business being on here

I'm sorry but if CJ ****in Miles is on the list, Beasley DEFINITELY has to be on it.

stuckyfreshhh
07-20-2011, 11:23 AM
Beasley's not on here because he has no business being on here

Youre kidding right?

He scores better than anyone one this list and rebounds better than essential all of them. I get it tho, he's lazy and smokes weed so everyone hates on him.

dwadefan03
07-20-2011, 11:27 AM
Youre kidding right?

He scores better than anyone one this list and rebounds better than essential all of them. I get it tho, he's lazy and smokes weed so everyone hates on him.

or because hes inefficient

roshan3ai
07-20-2011, 11:28 AM
Youre kidding right?

He scores better than anyone one this list and rebounds better than essential all of them. I get it tho, he's lazy and smokes weed so everyone hates on him.

No he doesn't. He's a chucker. Inefficient as hell (51% TS%, 100 ORTG, not even 1 offensive win share). More points doesn't equate to better scorer

And Beasley isn't a better rebounder than everyone on the list. His rebound% is 9.6. Thad's is 11.7, Marion's is 14.3, and Chandler's is 9.7.

stuckyfreshhh
07-20-2011, 11:37 AM
No he doesn't. He's a chucker. Inefficient as hell (51% TS%, 100 ORTG, not even 1 offensive win share). More points doesn't equate to better scorer

And Beasley isn't a better rebounder than everyone on the list. His rebound% is 9.6. Thad's is 11.7, Marion's is 14.3, and Chandler's is 9.7.

He's definitely a bit of a chucker but he still is a better scorer than almost everyone on this list. It's not the most efficient but he still put up close to 20 PPG on a decent 45%FG and 37%3PT.

And I said essentially, just took a quick glance at the list.

Plus he plays on a team where no one can create for themselves so in some wyas he has to be a bit of a chucker.

AND my whole point was that he should definitely be on the list. There's really no arguing it if CJ miles and ariza are on it there's no way Beasley shouldn't be.

Swashcuff
07-20-2011, 11:45 AM
Thaddeus Young

Firstly lets look at SPM

In terms of SPM (Statistical +/-) he ranks higher than any player left on the list.

Player G Min OSPM DSPM SPM
Thaddeus Young 82 2135 1.08 0.42 1.50
Dorell Wright 82 3147 1.13 -0.39 0.74
Nicolas Batum 80 2522 1.08 -0.38 0.70
Trevor Ariza 75 2589 -1.90 2.40 0.50
Dan Gallinari 62 2104 1.61 -1.14 0.47
Ron Artest 82 2410 -1.43 1.57 0.13
Shawn Marion 80 2253 -0.65 0.67 0.03
W Chandler 72 2401 -0.23 -0.49 -0.72
Grant Hill 80 2409 -0.19 -0.81 -1.00
Jeff Green 75 2427 -0.62 -0.52 -1.14
M Beasley 73 2361 0.37 -1.94 -1.58

Now in terms of advanced metrics sorted by PER among of Fowards last season

Rk Player TS% eFG% WS/48 WS PER
28 Thaddeus Young .566 .544 0.139 6.2 18.4
41 Shawn Marion .551 .523 0.120 5.6 17.0
61 Danilo Gallinari .597 .495 0.139 6.1 15.7
64 Michael Beasley .510 .474 0.035 1.7 15.5
74 Dorell Wright .539 .508 0.088 5.8 15.0
77 Nicolas Batum .563 .528 0.126 6.6 14.8
79 Grant Hill .563 .511 0.087 4.4 14.7
81 Wilson Chandler .537 .509 0.079 3.9 14.6

I excluded Andre Iguodala, Gerald Wallace, Luol Deng, Rudy Gay and Danny Granger but Young had a better PER than them all and more WS/48 than everyone but Luol Deng. I however included the players who've been considered most for this spot though some may not be in the poll.

As it stands here he has the best PER of the bunch on of the best TS% second only to Gallo and a better eFG% than anyone here.

Thad's TS% is not only better than those that I have listed here but its also better than Carmelo Anthony, Rudy Gay, Danny Granger, Andre Iguodala, Luol Deng and Jeff Green.

His WS/48 is also better than Melo, Iggy, Gay, Granger, Crash and everyone listed here not named Danillo Gallinari.

Thad's PER is also better than Gay, Granger, Deng, Crash and Iggy.

In terms of advanced metrics Thad was more productive in many areas than the five guys who went ahead of him and in some areas more so than the guy who went at #3.

Excluding Paul Pierce, Thad had the best eFG% of any player voted from 1-9 in this poll, yes that includes LeBron, Melo and Durant. In that regard Thad was comparable to Dirk.

One more thing. Young's .541 FG% was the best of any SF in the entire NBA last season.

There is a reason the man finished 3rd in SMOY voting.

Swashcuff
07-20-2011, 11:47 AM
I hope my post can shed some light on Thaddeus Young for you guys because by the voting so far it really goes to show how underrated/under-appreciated he is around these parts.

stuckyfreshhh
07-20-2011, 11:52 AM
I hope my post can shed some light on Thaddeus Young for you guys because by the voting so far it really goes to show how underrated/under-appreciated he is around these parts.

Fair or not, I think the fact he's not a "starter" is definitely hurting him in the polls.

Swashcuff
07-20-2011, 11:57 AM
Fair or not, I think the fact he's not a "starter" is definitely hurting him in the polls.

Yup. However, that was not the case for Jason Terry and James Harden in the SG polls being voted ahead of Stephen Jackson, DeRozan and Evans among others and its not going to hurt Odom in the PF.

I think it's really the fact that he's so under appreciated across the league that no one really pays attention to his worth.

AndyfromNeptune
07-20-2011, 11:59 AM
Danilo Gallinari is clearly better than Wilson Chandler. Much better shooter, passer, defender, and all around has a much higher basketball IQ.

He is definitely the best SF here.

Swashcuff
07-20-2011, 12:01 PM
Danilo Gallinari is clearly better than Wilson Chandler. Much better shooter, passer, defender, and all around has a much higher basketball IQ.

He is definitely the best SF here.

Gallo a better defender than Chandler? :speechless:

not even the biggest Gallo jock rider will agree with you on that.

YoungOne
07-20-2011, 12:04 PM
clearly butler for me, although I see him more as a SG

nycericanguy
07-20-2011, 12:09 PM
or because hes inefficient

So this poll is only for efficient SF's? I see alot of inefficient guys on this list.

Look I'm not a Beasely fan at all, but he has to be an option, a 20ppg 6rpg on 45% is not horrible. Sure he doesn't get to the line like Gallo which hurts his efficiency, but when Gallo was a knick earlier this season I started a Gallo vs Beasely comparison thread and most actually went with Beasely. I know becasue he's not a knick now more people like him and I do think he's def better, but Beasely should be on this list... I'm not voting because other than the OP not liking Beasely I see no reason he's not on this list.

Gallo overall is not a great shooter % wise. 41% FG and 36% 3pt, he benefits greatly from the fact that a high % of his shots are 3's, and he gets to the line 6 times per game. Those 2 stats means overall he gets more points on less OFFICIAL shot attempts. But Beasely actually has him beat in every category offensively except FTAPG

Slimsim
07-20-2011, 12:12 PM
Gallo or Wilson chandler

Slimsim
07-20-2011, 12:16 PM
I hope my post can shed some light on Thaddeus Young for you guys because by the voting so far it really goes to show how underrated/under-appreciated he is around these parts.

Thaddeus young is my favorite player that isn't a star yet But my homerism and love for Gallo made me pick him

Swashcuff
07-20-2011, 12:20 PM
Thaddeus young is my favorite player that isn't a star yet But my homerism and love for Gallo made me pick him

I got no beef at least you're being honest. Based on last season he's the only player left with a solid case against Thad if you ask me.

CHANGO
07-20-2011, 12:43 PM
I'll go with the Matrix.

Baller1
07-20-2011, 01:00 PM
Went with Gallo.

LTBaByyy
07-20-2011, 01:08 PM
Matrix!!!!! (Butler if healthy)

stuckyfreshhh
07-20-2011, 01:10 PM
Yup. However, that was not the case for Jason Terry and James Harden in the SG polls being voted ahead of Stephen Jackson, DeRozan and Evans among others and its not going to hurt Odom in the PF.

I think it's really the fact that he's so under appreciated across the league that no one really pays attention to his worth.

He's definitely under appreciated. I think its the fact he's not a starter and is a bit of tweener, he also didn't have the exposure Harden and JET got in the playoffs. Both of those guys had great postseasons and were fresh in the minds of a lot of voters, T.Young not so much.

I'm really interested to see how he plays if he becomes a full time starter. (And we might not have to wait long since Iggy is rumored to be on his way out).

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-20-2011, 01:30 PM
Gallo. He's going to have a big year. Same as Jeff Green but that's what my homer instincts are telling me lol.

dwadefan03
07-20-2011, 01:34 PM
So this poll is only for efficient SF's? I see alot of inefficient guys on this list.

Look I'm not a Beasely fan at all, but he has to be an option, a 20ppg 6rpg on 45% is not horrible. Sure he doesn't get to the line like Gallo which hurts his efficiency, but when Gallo was a knick earlier this season I started a Gallo vs Beasely comparison thread and most actually went with Beasely. I know becasue he's not a knick now more people like him and I do think he's def better, but Beasely should be on this list... I'm not voting because other than the OP not liking Beasely I see no reason he's not on this list.

Gallo overall is not a great shooter % wise. 41% FG and 36% 3pt, he benefits greatly from the fact that a high % of his shots are 3's, and he gets to the line 6 times per game. Those 2 stats means overall he gets more points on less OFFICIAL shot attempts. But Beasely actually has him beat in every category offensively except FTAPG

the only reason i mentioned him being inefficient was because the guy i quoted said that people only didnt like him because he did weed, when thats really not the case. i wasnt implying that he doesnt deserve to be on the list, i mean cj miles is on it

TheRunKiller
07-20-2011, 01:34 PM
no love for Dorell Wright?

rapjuicer06
07-20-2011, 01:45 PM
It was between Hill, Young and Marion. I went with Hill because I love how he's older and can still play some damn good ball. He has a damn good mid range jumper and plays pretty good defense. Sorry Swashcuff, you made some really good points for Young, but he just doesn't get the playing time he should get and that hinders him a little bit :(

mightybosstone
07-20-2011, 01:58 PM
While I appreciate Swashcuff's breakdown and I have a load of respect for Thad Young, I still went with Marion. I certainly don't think he has the highest ceiling of any player on this list, but Butler is injured, Gallo is soft, Chandler underperformed with Denver and I've seen Thad play an awful lot of 4 to be necessarily considered one of the best 3s in the game.

If I'm building a playoff contender and I had to pick one player on this list, I'm taking Marion. His game is versatile, he's still an amazing defensive player and he always manages to perform well in the postseason. You could hav considered AK, Hill or Prince for similar reasons, but Marion has been the most consistent throughout his career and just earned a ring.

mightybosstone
07-20-2011, 02:02 PM
I'm a little surprised Galilnari is leading this. If you're considering both sides of the ball, he's one of the worst players on this list defensively (and perhaps the worst rebounder), and it's not as if he's so stellar offensively that it makes up for it. I'm not even sure I'd consider him the best SF on his own team. If I had a choice between the two, I'd take Chandler...

dwadefan03
07-20-2011, 02:09 PM
gallinari is not a bad defender

Hostetler
07-20-2011, 02:23 PM
Gallo

Khalifa21
07-20-2011, 02:23 PM
I'm gonna go with Gallo here... I would probably say Butler if he hadn't had his injury.

ewmania
07-20-2011, 02:36 PM
i voted for caron butler, as much as I love danilo and feel he'll be better than butler right now he isnt

but who do I think will become the best SF out of this list is dorell wright he's just not there yet

Da Knicks
07-20-2011, 02:39 PM
While I appreciate Swashcuff's breakdown and I have a load of respect for Thad Young, I still went with Marion. I certainly don't think he has the highest ceiling of any player on this list, but Butler is injured, Gallo is soft, Chandler underperformed with Denver and I've seen Thad play an awful lot of 4 to be necessarily considered one of the best 3s in the game.

If I'm building a playoff contender and I had to pick one player on this list, I'm taking Marion. His game is versatile, he's still an amazing defensive player and he always manages to perform well in the postseason. You could hav considered AK, Hill or Prince for similar reasons, but Marion has been the most consistent throughout his career and just earned a ring.

I dont believe you.

Kobes a Killer
07-20-2011, 02:50 PM
I'm a little surprised Galilnari is leading this. If you're considering both sides of the ball, he's one of the worst players on this list defensively (and perhaps the worst rebounder), and it's not as if he's so stellar offensively that it makes up for it. I'm not even sure I'd consider him the best SF on his own team. If I had a choice between the two, I'd take Chandler...

I agree

mightybosstone
07-20-2011, 03:25 PM
I dont believe you.

You don't have to. That doesn't change the fact that he's a mediocre defender and one of the worst 6-foot, 10-inch rebounders I've ever seen...

roshan3ai
07-20-2011, 03:33 PM
You don't have to. That doesn't change the fact that he's a mediocre defender and one of the worst 6-foot, 10-inch rebounders I've ever seen...

He's a good man to man defender, but a poor help defender. And his TRB% is higher than Wright and Hill.

roshan3ai
07-20-2011, 03:36 PM
Gallinari has a lot of nugget homers, he's overrated and shuoldn't be leading the poll

How would you know that? You just joined. And check who voted for Gallinari. The majority aren't Nuggets fans...

douglas
07-20-2011, 03:54 PM
I went with Danilo Galinari

mightybosstone
07-20-2011, 04:36 PM
He's a good man to man defender, but a poor help defender. And his TRB% is higher than Wright and Hill.

He's also much taller and has played his fair share of power forward over his career. Compared with other 4s, his rebound rate is atrocious. Compared with 3s, it's below average at best.

greg_ory_2005
07-20-2011, 04:43 PM
I'll go with Chandler.

GoPacers33
07-20-2011, 05:05 PM
Galo

LTBaByyy
07-20-2011, 05:07 PM
It should be Marion, His playoff performance boosted him back into the top 10 at his position. We are talking about RIGHT NOW

Not who was the better SF at the end of the season.

Just like we put Terry in the top 10 SGs bc his playoff performance

roshan3ai
07-20-2011, 05:26 PM
He's also much taller and has played his fair share of power forward over his career. Compared with other 4s, his rebound rate is atrocious. Compared with 3s, it's below average at best.

Gallo RARELY played PF on the Knicks. He was almost always at SF. Chandler played more PF than Gallinari. And I watched a good amount of Denver games and he wasn't put at PF there either

mightybosstone
07-20-2011, 05:39 PM
Gallo RARELY played PF on the Knicks. He was almost always at SF. Chandler played more PF than Gallinari. And I watched a good amount of Denver games and he wasn't put at PF there either

Regardless, I still take Marion. He has the experience, can guard multiple positions and isn't enough of a drop off offensively from Gallo to sway me otherwise. He was a solid third option on the championship team and was key in the OKC and Miami series, stepping his game up most when it mattered.

Sportfan
07-20-2011, 05:49 PM
Jeff green!

Kashmir13579
07-20-2011, 06:03 PM
Gallo RARELY played PF on the Knicks. He was almost always at SF. Chandler played more PF than Gallinari. And I watched a good amount of Denver games and he wasn't put at PF there either

He played a fair amount of SG as well. You know how D'antoni likes those mismatches.

Kashmir13579
07-20-2011, 06:05 PM
It should be Marion, His playoff performance boosted him back into the top 10 at his position. We are talking about RIGHT NOW

Not who was the better SF at the end of the season.

Just like we put Terry in the top 10 SGs bc his playoff performance

Terry got selected so high because we ****ed up. That SG list got ugly as hell towards the end.

Da Knicks
07-20-2011, 06:08 PM
Regardless, I still take Marion. He has the experience, can guard multiple positions and isn't enough of a drop off offensively from Gallo to sway me otherwise. He was a solid third option on the championship team and was key in the OKC and Miami series, stepping his game up most when it mattered.

Gallo is one of the smartest players in the game right now, you are really cutting him short. His defense is not as bad as you make it out to be and he is a small forward at 6'10" that also guards pgs and sgs making it a lil hard to grab rebounds.

Th£~GamÄ
07-20-2011, 06:59 PM
I really hope somebody other than gallo wins
U guys are really overrating him
Even Caron butler with his injury deserves it more than gallo
I voted grant hill
He said sfs that were great last season and not potential to be great
Some douch on #9 sf started tellin me how this guys future is gonna be great

theheatles
07-20-2011, 07:00 PM
i'm surprised with danilo getting so much love...i'd take caron butler, shawn marion, grant hill, thaddeus young, dorell wright and tayshaun prince over gallo

Eagles4Lyfe
07-20-2011, 07:05 PM
Love batum learned a lot abou tthis guy the past few weeks and absolutely am in love with this guys upside

1-800-STFU
07-20-2011, 07:06 PM
It's clearly CJ Miles.

You're all crazy.

VCaintdead17
07-20-2011, 07:06 PM
Had to go with Gallo. Possibly the best shooter in the league and his effenciancy translates to success. Plus he's an underrated defender IMO.

Crackadalic
07-20-2011, 07:08 PM
I have to really think about this before I vote.....

Swashcuff
07-20-2011, 07:51 PM
Oh well Thad Young continues to be underrated.

Crackadalic
07-20-2011, 08:01 PM
Oh well Thad Young continues to be underrated.

Im just curious how much time did he play at the 3 and 4 spot this season. Ive seen him play a lot of 4 at times

VCaintdead17
07-20-2011, 08:05 PM
Ha, What?? :facepalm:

His TS% is almost .600, a rare feat for wing players. He may not be THE best but he's certainly up there. His OTRG was also ninth in the league this past season plus he's worth 6 WS. He's certainly one of the absolute best shooters in the league, no doubt about that.

NySportsFan10
07-20-2011, 08:19 PM
Danilo Gallinari is clearly better than Wilson Chandler. Much better shooter, passer, defender, and all around has a much higher basketball IQ.

He is definitely the best SF here.

What the hell are you talking about?
Chandler statistically had everything higher than gallo this year, besides the .3 PPG difference.

also Iguodala is complete garbage, isn't a top 10 SF nor is he a top 10 SG.

Stack_NJNets
07-20-2011, 08:20 PM
Had to go with Gallo. Possibly the best shooter in the league and his effenciancy translates to success. Plus he's an underrated defender IMO.

Such an underrated defender. Went with Gallo

Will 2 BE
07-20-2011, 08:25 PM
The valet guy at the Staples center

$GangGr33n$
07-20-2011, 08:29 PM
i went chandler hes an underrated EVERYTHING

Gators123
07-20-2011, 08:37 PM
Prince is very underrated.

Bruno
07-20-2011, 08:40 PM
I like Matrix here. Can still defend at an elite level in bursts (when needed) and can still score well when needed. I counted many a game durnig the 2011 playoffs where Matrix took over #2 duties successfully (when Terry struggled).

Bruno
07-20-2011, 08:40 PM
I'm also pleased that Ron Artest isn't even an option. Outside of a few big shots in the 2010 playoffs, as well as good defense aginst Kevin Durant in the 2010 first round, he has been abysmal since putting on the purple and gold.

SteBO
07-20-2011, 08:42 PM
I like Matrix here. Can still defend at an elite level in bursts (when needed) and can still score well when needed. I counted many a game durnig the 2011 playoffs where Matrix took over #2 duties successfully (when Terry struggled).
Same here. I was very impressed with him in the Finals against my boys.

Swashcuff
07-20-2011, 08:44 PM
Im just curious how much time did he play at the 3 and 4 spot this season. Ive seen him play a lot of 4 at times

Last season he actually played more time at the 4 than he did the 3, that however was a direct result of our log jam at 3 and our lack of depth at the 4 and the 5. He was too quick for 4 but wasn't very effective defending them against 3s though he excelled.

mdm692
07-20-2011, 08:58 PM
No g.hill love thats cold wow. . .most consistent suns player and one of the elite lockdown defenders in nba

LTBaByyy
07-20-2011, 09:05 PM
I like Matrix here. Can still defend at an elite level in bursts (when needed) and can still score well when needed. I counted many a game durnig the 2011 playoffs where Matrix took over #2 duties successfully (when Terry struggled).

Thank you!!!!!!! :clap: Idk why Marion doesnt have more votes

Marion was as big as Terry for the Mavs if we are talking about the whole 2011 playoffs

Caron would be the pick but he was injured almost all year

So it should be Marion

Lake_Show2416
07-20-2011, 09:42 PM
Caron Butler was just injured this year he should be like #7

Kashmir13579
07-20-2011, 09:52 PM
I'm glad to see people showing Gallo some love for his defense. He isn't the best defender but he plays hard on that end of the floor.

FaM0us Skins
07-20-2011, 10:12 PM
I voted for Caron Butler

LTBaByyy
07-20-2011, 11:38 PM
I see a lot of Knick fans voting for Gallo, when it should be one of the Mavs SF's

Shouldve known, but its cool

roshan3ai
07-20-2011, 11:54 PM
I see a lot of Knick fans voting for Gallo, when it should be one of the Mavs SF's

Shouldve known, but its cool

:laugh: Says the guy who has voted for Marion the last 3? polls

LTBaByyy
07-20-2011, 11:59 PM
:laugh: Says the guy who has voted for Marion the last 3? polls

What are you talking about?

I been voting Rudy Gay!! Go look at the threads buddy

aussie
07-21-2011, 12:13 AM
Arizaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Swashcuff
07-21-2011, 12:24 AM
The man who had the best season and produced much more for his team than anyone has a grand total of 8 votes thus far. Smh.

playmaker_41
07-21-2011, 12:31 AM
grant hill

LakersIn5
07-21-2011, 12:52 AM
i know ron sucks already but he has to be in the discussion.

BlitzBlud4
07-21-2011, 02:21 AM
marion

LTBaByyy
07-21-2011, 11:12 AM
Dont tell me Marion is going to lose by 1 vote!!!! Wow, Knicks fans voted Gallo in


:(

Mile High Champ
07-21-2011, 11:26 AM
Mods can close this one and get rid of the sticky tag.

stuckyfreshhh
07-21-2011, 11:32 AM
Wow late surge by Marion almost won it.

I really think Butler and Marion almost hurt each others cases. Wouldn't Butler have been the starter at SF over Marion with Marion coming off the bench? (correct me if I'm wrong cuz i really didn't see Dallas during the regular season much).

If that was the case I can see Marion not winning. He probably wouldn't have even been a starter if Butler was healthy and Butler would've won but he isn't healthy. (again correct me if I'm wrong just speculation).

LTBaByyy
07-21-2011, 11:42 AM
Wow late surge by Marion almost won it.

I really think Butler and Marion almost hurt each others cases. Wouldn't Butler have been the starter at SF over Marion with Marion coming off the bench? (correct me if I'm wrong cuz i really didn't see Dallas during the regular season much).

If that was the case I can see Marion not winning. He probably wouldn't have even been a starter if Butler was healthy and Butler would've won but he isn't healthy. (again correct me if I'm wrong just speculation).

Yeah he was the back up PF for Dirk at the beginning of the season b4 Butler got hurt, our line up was

Kidd
Roddy B (Stevenson)
Butler (Marion)
Dirk
Chandler

JasonJohnHorn
07-21-2011, 12:27 PM
gallinari? seriously?
wtf?

nycericanguy
07-21-2011, 02:12 PM
I love Gallo, I think he won this because he is viewed as being very efficient. His efficiency is mostly because he gets to the the line alot, not because he shoots a high % from the field, because he doesn't and he's just above average % wise from 3. So it got me thinking... just to play devils advocate and if someone that knows advanced stats well can answer this for me. People talk about efficiency on here alot... got me thinking.

When you get fouled on a shot attempt of course there is no official FGA, and you can still get the 2 points.

So if Michael Beasely for instance goes 8-20 from the field, does not attempt a FT and scores 16 points.

And Gallo goes 4-12 from the field, and 8-8 from the line and scores 16 points.

Is Beasely then extremely in-efficient and Gallo very efficient even though they both scored 16 points on 20 possessions? and even though Beasely actually shot the ball considerably better than Gallo?

believeinNYK
07-21-2011, 02:36 PM
Just saw that gallo won by a vote, I wouldve voted Marion if I was on this yesterday lol

Kashmir13579
07-21-2011, 03:37 PM
Gallo, FTW

Kashmir13579
07-21-2011, 03:38 PM
I love Gallo, I think he won this because he is viewed as being very efficient. His efficiency is mostly because he gets to the the line alot, not because he shoots a high % from the field, because he doesn't and he's just above average % wise from 3. So it got me thinking... just to play devils advocate and if someone that knows advanced stats well can answer this for me. People talk about efficiency on here alot... got me thinking.

When you get fouled on a shot attempt of course there is no official FGA, and you can still get the 2 points.

So if Michael Beasely for instance goes 8-20 from the field, does not attempt a FT and scores 16 points.

And Gallo goes 4-12 from the field, and 8-8 from the line and scores 16 points.

Is Beasely then extremely in-efficient and Gallo very efficient even though they both scored 16 points on 20 possessions? and even though Beasely actually shot the ball considerably better than Gallo?

You're answering your own question.

Kashmir13579
07-21-2011, 03:45 PM
Dont tell me Marion is going to lose by 1 vote!!!! Wow, Knicks fans voted Gallo in


:(
Its ironic that you are a Mavs fan, endorsing 2 different SFs from the Mavs, and at the same time you are calling out a fanbase for voting someone in who is no longer on their team. seriously guy, take your championship and quit crying. I've seen plenty of non-Knicks posters in here showing Gallo some love.

nycericanguy
07-21-2011, 03:50 PM
You're answering your own question.

how so?

Gators123
07-21-2011, 03:51 PM
how the hell did Butler get 19 votes?

Chronz
07-21-2011, 05:52 PM
When you get fouled on a shot attempt of course there is no official FGA, and you can still get the 2 points.

So if Michael Beasely for instance goes 8-20 from the field, does not attempt a FT and scores 16 points.

And Gallo goes 4-12 from the field, and 8-8 from the line and scores 16 points.

Is Beasely then extremely in-efficient and Gallo very efficient even though they both scored 16 points on 20 possessions?
Well they would have identical Pts Per Possession.



and even though Beasely actually shot the ball considerably better than Gallo?
2pt are 2pts

Chronz
07-21-2011, 05:52 PM
You're answering your own question.
I think your confused

nycericanguy
07-21-2011, 06:09 PM
Well they would have identical Pts Per Possession.


2pt are 2pts

Would their efficiency rating be the same as well?