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Tony_Starks
07-08-2011, 09:03 PM
We all know that hating is at an alltime high, it's pretty much the cool thing to do. Not to mention the social network aspect of it that he didn't really have to deal with. Jordan had all the qualities that are a magnet to haters such as:



-arrogant
-rich
-cocky
-dislike from other players/ teammates
-darling of the league
-superstar calls from refs
-unstoppable winner



That being said if he was in his prime right now where do you think the level of hate would be at for this guy? I personally think he would be right under Lebron, just ahead of Kobe. The reason I place him in front of Kobe is he's more successful so the more success= more jealousy. I could just picture tmz stalking him at casino's or mediatakeout catching him with other women......

kozelkid
07-08-2011, 09:06 PM
I absolutely hate it when people say that MJ got superstar calls, especially considering the Bulls were in the bottom third in the league in fta many times with MJ and Pippen.

Superstar calls did not become a part of this league until the 2000s when popularity and talent was at an all-time low since the days of Magic and Bird and NBA needed up their ratings so they gave more benefits to stars.

With all that said, winning cures all. So if we are talking about MJ with a few rings, he'd be loved and forgiven for his arrogance much like Kobe is now. However, I'm sure he'd be getting much crap if it was before he won, which he did anyway.

NetsPaint
07-08-2011, 09:07 PM
Depends. He didn't win a championship in his first couple of years. Would people bash LeBron if he won championships?

If Jordan wins championships and isn't accused of rape in today's NBA, then I don't see much more hate for him. It's a double standard. You can be much more of an a-hole than somebody such as LeBron, but you'll be glorified because of your success in a game.

Hellcrooner
07-08-2011, 09:09 PM
Nike wouldnt allow it they woudl have dudes on a contract to enter forums and delete hate comments towards him.

it would only cost them far more money that it costed them back in teh day to punish anyone in the conventional media that dared to talk him down.

JordansBulls
07-08-2011, 09:10 PM
This is like asking would Babe Ruth get hated on or Ali or Gretzky or Montana in this era.

NetsPaint
07-08-2011, 09:10 PM
I absolutely hate it when people say that MJ got superstar calls, especially considering the Bulls were in the bottom third in the league in fta many times with MJ and Pippen.

Superstar calls did not become a part of this league until the 2000s when popularity and talent was at an all-time low since the days of Magic and Bird and NBA needed up their ratings so they gave more benefits to stars.

With all that said, winning cures all. So if we are talking about MJ with a few rings, he'd be loved and forgiven for his arrogance much like Kobe is now. However, I'm sure he'd be getting much crap if it was before he won, which he did anyway.
He was allowed to carry the ball in an era when it was much more enforced. I don't know if he started it, but with him being the golden boy for the NBA, I wouldn't be surprised if referees started becoming more lenient for superstars because of him (of course, they chose a great player to roll with, but it's pretty obvious they let him get away with a lot, such as pushing off before hitting "The Shot").

Tony_Starks
07-08-2011, 09:13 PM
Depends. He didn't win a championship in his first couple of years. Would people bash LeBron if he won championships?

If Jordan wins championships and isn't accused of rape in today's NBA, then I don't see much more hate for him. It's a double standard. You can be much more of an a-hole than somebody such as LeBron, but you'll be glorified because of your success in a game.



Thats true but you have to keep in mind the biggest factor is that all his private vices would've probably been public and apparently he was a big time gambler, drinker, and womanizer. So people could've easily been getting on their high horse and calling him out for not being a role model and all of that.....

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-08-2011, 09:19 PM
Why would he be hated? LeBron is only hated b/c of the decision and Kobe b/c of rape. Maybe he could be hated b/c of the betting thing but not much reason to hate him outside of winning.

NetsPaint
07-08-2011, 09:20 PM
Thats true but you have to keep in mind the biggest factor is that all his private vices would've probably been public and apparently he was a big time gambler, drinker, and womanizer. So people could've easily been getting on their high horse and calling him out for not being a role model and all of that.....
Sure, but would Jordan be dumb enough to do that stuff to the extent he did then now? Who knows.

A lot of players do that stuff, I think Jordan would have do a LOT of it to get the same hate. Kobe was hit with a rape charge, and while he is hated, you don't see the LeBron level of hate. When talking about Kobe in a thread, you'll see jokes, but not too much, you can have a civilized discussion. LeBron, you can't. A lot of people hate LeBron because he danced on the sidelines and stuff, so hate comes from more than just serious stuff such as cheating on your wives.

Tony_Starks
07-08-2011, 09:23 PM
Why would he be hated? LeBron is only hated b/c of the decision and Kobe b/c of rape. Maybe he could be hated b/c of the betting thing but not much reason to hate him outside of winning.



Kobe was acquitted and didn't rape anyone but was still convicted in the court of popular opinion. Just like when MJ's dad was killed people still to this day believe it was his fault. And that was then, could you imagine the coverage and speculation it would've got now?

The fact that you even bring up that rape case really proves my point though, people believe what they want to believe and pass judgement.....

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-08-2011, 09:26 PM
Kobe was acquitted and didn't rape anyone but was still convicted in the court of popular opinion. Just like when MJ's dad was killed people still to this day believe it was his fault. And that was then, could you imagine the coverage and speculation it would've got now?

The fact that you even bring up that rape case really proves my point though, people believe what they want to believe and pass judgement.....

Yeah I get what you mean. Kobe was acquitted but people are still going to say he's a rapist. Interesting thread.

cmellofan15
07-08-2011, 09:26 PM
MJ would be on Stephen Jackson's level if he were in the NBA right now.

Testaverde16
07-08-2011, 09:29 PM
Sure, but would Jordan be dumb enough to do that stuff to the extent he did then now? Who knows.

A lot of players do that stuff, I think Jordan would have do a LOT of it to get the same hate. Kobe was hit with a rape charge, and while he is hated, you don't see the LeBron level of hate. When talking about Kobe in a thread, you'll see jokes, but not too much, you can have a civilized discussion. LeBron, you can't. A lot of people hate LeBron because he danced on the sidelines and stuff, so hate comes from more than just serious stuff such as cheating on your wives.


There was a time when it was the same with Kobe. Couldn't talk about him without hearing about how he didn't pass, how he raped a chick and couldn't win without shaq. Kobe scored 81 points in a game and got **** for only having 2 assists... he scored 81 points, why the **** would he have more than 2 assists?

NetsPaint
07-08-2011, 09:30 PM
Saw a thread with Tony Parker in the title......

Tony Parker cheated on Eva Longoria with Brent Barry's wife or something....

Not a superstar, but he is an All-Star, you don't see him getting a lot of hate for cheating on a popular actress with somebody in the Spurs' organizations' wife.

Tony_Starks
07-08-2011, 09:32 PM
Saw a thread with Tony Parker in the title......

Tony Parker cheated on Eva Longoria with Brent Barry's wife or something....

Not a superstar, but he is an All-Star, you don't see him getting a lot of hate for cheating on a popular actress with somebody in the Spurs' organizations' wife.


Yeah but thats not fair we already hate Parker because he's french!

NetsPaint
07-08-2011, 09:33 PM
There was a time when it was the same with Kobe. Couldn't talk about him without hearing about how he didn't pass, how he raped a chick and couldn't win without shaq. Kobe scored 81 points in a game and got **** for only having 2 assists... he scored 81 points, why the **** would he have more than 2 assists?
haha Wow:laugh2:.

albertc86
07-08-2011, 09:35 PM
I stated this in the other Jordan thread. Jordan would've been hated by the very people that love him today. I think much of it has to do with age and fans not completely remembering Jordan's attitude. Yes, he was the ultimate competitor but his attitude was arguably worse than the stars of today --- Kobe included.

I very much believe that so-called 'Jordan fans' that were young at the time youtube his highlights now and deify the man. Jordan wasn't perfect by any means. Like the superstars of today, he could've missed his first ten shots and still end up with 30+ points.

His arrogance was off the charts and he would probably bash his team to no end if he had the supporting cast that the stars today play with --- save the "big 3" teams and teams of that sort.

By the way, the era of hate is coming from the fans. It seems as though no one can appreciate talent or the game because they're comparing players to Jordan. The truth of the matter is, if you take these superstars of today away from the game, do you know how boring the game would be? You won't appreciate the Kobes, LeBrons and Wades until their gone and that's the truth.

Tony_Starks
07-08-2011, 10:00 PM
I stated this in the other Jordan thread. Jordan would've been hated by the very people that love him today. I think much of it has to do with age and fans not completely remembering Jordan's attitude. Yes, he was the ultimate competitor but his attitude was arguably worse than the stars of today --- Kobe included.

I very much believe that so-called 'Jordan fans' that were young at the time youtube his highlights now and deify the man. Jordan wasn't perfect by any means. Like the superstars of today, he could've missed his first ten shots and still end up with 30+ points.

His arrogance was off the charts and he would probably bash his team to no end if he had the supporting cast that the stars today play with --- save the "big 3" teams and teams of that sort.

By the way, the era of hate is coming from the fans. It seems as though no one can appreciate talent or the game because they're comparing players to Jordan. The truth of the matter is, if you take these superstars of today away from the game, do you know how boring the game would be? You won't appreciate the Kobes, LeBrons and Wades until their gone and that's the truth.



That is very true. Comparing the players today to the greats is like comparing the rappers today to the 90's rappers. You can't even do it, all you can do is appreciate the best we have today.

But you're right when Kobe, Wade, Lebron and the rest are gone and people are watching their vintage games I bet there will be a lot of people saying "wow that guy was really great, maybe I should've actually enjoyed him instead of spending so much time hating..."

gmckenziejr82
07-08-2011, 11:45 PM
He would be loved

KingPosey
07-09-2011, 12:04 AM
He would be loved and hated, just like when he played before. But there would be nothing to ARGUE against his greatness, unlike other players today. He had it all.

Ladies Man
07-09-2011, 12:10 AM
What did he do that WE KNOW to hate him? Yea i'm sure he did stuff. At least he didnt show it to the public and only had one thing on his mind, and that was to be better than the guy next to him.

Ebbs
07-09-2011, 12:23 AM
Lol got to love those homer bulls fans who think they need to defend Jordan even this is hypothetical situation lollll. Yes Jordan would have been hated lol obviously. . .

I think he would have been hated more than LeBron pre decision as he would have been winning. And than Jordan would have became Kobe where the 2nd best player and 3rd best player teamed up to beat the first best player.

Slimsim
07-09-2011, 12:34 AM
Wouldn't all the Hate motivate MJ even more. He would probably win 10 championships

kozelkid
07-09-2011, 12:40 AM
He was allowed to carry the ball in an era when it was much more enforced. I don't know if he started it, but with him being the golden boy for the NBA, I wouldn't be surprised if referees started becoming more lenient for superstars because of him (of course, they chose a great player to roll with, but it's pretty obvious they let him get away with a lot, such as pushing off before hitting "The Shot").

(A) Everyone ****ing travels. And I do mean everyone.

(B) Funny that that is the only moment people use to argue that he got away with officiating. Especially considering how often it's done anyway and that MJ's push was greatly exaggerated anyway. Remember, until recently, NBA was also more physical.

kozelkid
07-09-2011, 12:46 AM
Lol got to love those homer bulls fans who think they need to defend Jordan even this is hypothetical situation lollll. Yes Jordan would have been hated lol obviously. . .

I think he would have been hated more than LeBron pre decision as he would have been winning. And than Jordan would have became Kobe where the 2nd best player and 3rd best player teamed up to beat the first best player.

Lol to people that need to say lol alot lol oh and at people that make baseless assumptions.

Here's what you don't know, I actually hated (still do) Jordan as a person. He's an arrogant prick, with a giant sized ego. Much like Tiger and many other such greats. Loved him as a player obviously.

And I doubt he would be hated. At least not as much as Lebron. Kobe has been just as much of a dick to his teammates, but again, he is loved by most. In the end, it's all about winning. MJ was a winner, people respected that. You earn respect from most fans and you won't be hated.

Ggravity2
07-09-2011, 12:56 AM
If LeBron is hated then obviously Jordan would be hated. They are two completely different players

Tony_Starks
07-09-2011, 01:00 AM
We are people acting like the Lebron hate just started with the decision? He was getting hated on from the jump. The fact that he was called King James, the fact he had "chosen one" on his back, that he had so much hype coming into the league,....etc. None of which were bad things btw. Not to mention they even went out of the way to not only hate on him but slander his mon PRE decision.

After the decision the hate level kicked up to death con 4 but lets not act like it was a big lovefest before that because outside of Cleveland it wasn't....

imagesrdecievin
07-09-2011, 01:30 AM
I have always and still do hate Jordan - but he has my respect as a competitor.

Same thing with Kobe.

Lebron - not so much.

kozelkid
07-09-2011, 01:47 AM
We are people acting like the Lebron hate just started with the decision? He was getting hated on from the jump. The fact that he was called King James, the fact he had "chosen one" on his back, that he had so much hype coming into the league,....etc. None of which were bad things btw. Not to mention they even went out of the way to not only hate on him but slander his mon PRE decision.

After the decision the hate level kicked up to death con 4 but lets not act like it was a big lovefest before that because outside of Cleveland it wasn't....

There was very little hatred against Lebron beforehand. Sure, every star will have some following that deeply hated him, or else fans from rival teams, but he wasn't truly hated til the decision: for better or worse.

papipapsmanny
07-09-2011, 02:10 AM
not if he made space jam 2

Hellcrooner
07-09-2011, 03:00 AM
one thing is for sure, nowdays with twiters and ****ing perez hilton like reportets at every corner he and stern wouldnt have gotten away with the "baseball retirement" as in hidden ban for gambling.


dont shoot me, its Bill simmons who says so.

IndyRealist
07-09-2011, 09:29 AM
Kobe was acquitted and didn't rape anyone but was still convicted in the court of popular opinion. Just like when MJ's dad was killed people still to this day believe it was his fault. And that was then, could you imagine the coverage and speculation it would've got now?

The fact that you even bring up that rape case really proves my point though, people believe what they want to believe and pass judgement.....

Being acquitted and it not happening are two different things. Plus, he wasn't acquitted, he settled out of court for a TON of money.

From Kobe's public statement:
"First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colo.
I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.
"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant_sexual_assault_case

He admits it wasn't consensual, meaning it's rape. Before you go getting all indignant, maybe you ought to review the facts.

3ballbomber
07-09-2011, 09:34 AM
We all know that hating is at an alltime high, it's pretty much the cool thing to do. Not to mention the social network aspect of it that he didn't really have to deal with. Jordan had all the qualities that are a magnet to haters such as:



-arrogant
-rich
-cocky
-dislike from other players/ teammates
-darling of the league
-superstar calls from refs
-unstoppable winner



That being said if he was in his prime right now where do you think the level of hate would be at for this guy? I personally think he would be right under Lebron, just ahead of Kobe. The reason I place him in front of Kobe is he's more successful so the more success= more jealousy. I could just picture tmz stalking him at casino's or mediatakeout catching him with other women......

"Hating/Hate".......c'mon now what are we 12 yr olds?! We need to stop throwing around this word as if it's the truth to describe people communicating their opinions.......while your at it you may as well state how if your "Hating" that it is absolutely a sign that you too are also "Mad". C'mon gentlemen we're above this.

sventhedog
07-09-2011, 09:39 AM
he backs all those with results.

all these claims about too much haters are just fantasy. it's just that more players today are dumb enough to say stupid things then whine about how people hate them. probably just a lot of people using the internet.

-unstoppable winner - are you also using this in to define why people hate lebron? because he is clearly stoppable and just lost the finals.

nycericanguy
07-09-2011, 09:40 AM
Why would he be hated? The greatest player ever to live.

Even as a Knick fan I marveled at some of the performances he put on. He wasn't about dancing on the sidelines and taking pretend pictures or throwing up chalk or teaming up with friends. He wanted to destroy his opponent, and that was great to watch, thats what sports is about.

haggis
07-09-2011, 10:56 AM
No, he won.

RaiderLakersA's
07-09-2011, 11:22 AM
Unlike many on this board, I actually was very much a coherent adult during the Jordan era. I was ambivalent about the man. I appreciated his game, but I didn't gush, get goose bumps, or instant erections watching him play like many did. I didn't buy into the hype.

Despite the media's refusal to harp on any of Jordan's vices at the time, there were always hushed reports of his treatment of "lessers", other players, the gambling, and the infidelities that plagued his marriage. It's safe to say that in the current era all of those truths would have come to light. Even "jump-offs" in this day and age get airtime, book deals, reality shows. If just one of the women that Jordan cheated on his wife with comes forward, Michael would have been made that much easier to hate.

And given how even politicians these days have no qualms about spending millions of your tax dollars to investigate any possible impropriety in America's pasttime, how long do you think Jordan would have been able to avoid the scrutiny of some maverick senator who is eager to link Jordan, his gambling problem to possible mob connections? True or not, that would only add more speculation about the man's character and more reason to hate.

I'm not saying that Jordan wouldn't be successful in the modern NBA. I am saying that he would easily be one of the top 3 most despised players in the NBA, despite his successes.

barreleffact
07-09-2011, 11:23 AM
Being acquitted and it not happening are two different things. Plus, he wasn't acquitted, he settled out of court for a TON of money.

From Kobe's public statement:
"First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colo.
I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.
"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant_sexual_assault_case

He admits it wasn't consensual, meaning it's rape. Before you go getting all indignant, maybe you ought to review the facts.

How do you know how much, if anything, was paid out? How are you going to say he raped her using this clearly PR letter, but ignore that it said nothing was paid to her? Pick one or the other. Additionally, he still said he believes it was consensual. He only acknowledges that now she may not have believed that, but considering her past, that is laughable at best.

ManningToTyree
07-09-2011, 11:48 AM
I absolutely hate it when people say that MJ got superstar calls, especially considering the Bulls were in the bottom third in the league in fta many times with MJ and Pippen.

Superstar calls did not become a part of this league until the 2000s when popularity and talent was at an all-time low since the days of Magic and Bird and NBA needed up their ratings so they gave more benefits to stars.

With all that said, winning cures all. So if we are talking about MJ with a few rings, he'd be loved and forgiven for his arrogance much like Kobe is now. However, I'm sure he'd be getting much crap if it was before he won, which he did anyway.

Jordan got all the calls. He would always carry the ball and pushed and pulled the oposition regularly. However, he was very good at being discrete about it. And everytime he didn't get a call he would complain as bad as any player I have seen and never got technicals. It probably helped to get more calls for the Bulls because of the respect officials had for him.

Ironman5219
07-09-2011, 11:49 AM
I disagree with your notion of "hate". Lebron embraced the villian roll, he tried to win a championship the wrong way, by stacking a team rather than earning it like MJ. MJ got what he got because he EARNED respect.

Tony_Starks
07-09-2011, 11:51 AM
Unlike many on this board, I actually was very much a coherent adult during the Jordan era. I was ambivalent about the man. I appreciated his game, but I didn't gush, get goose bumps, or instant erections watching him play like many did. I didn't buy into the hype.

Despite the media's refusal to harp on any of Jordan's vices at the time, there were always hushed reports of his treatment of "lessers", other players, the gambling, and the infidelities that plagued his marriage. It's safe to say that in the current era all of those truths would have come to light. Even "jump-offs" in this day and age get airtime, book deals, reality shows. If just one of the women that Jordan cheated on his wife with comes forward, Michael would have been made that much easier to hate.

And given how even politicians these days have no qualms about spending millions of your tax dollars to investigate any possible impropriety in America's pasttime, how long do you think Jordan would have been able to avoid the scrutiny of some maverick senator who is eager to link Jordan, his gambling problem to possible mob connections? True or not, that would only add more speculation about the man's character and more reason to hate.

I'm not saying that Jordan wouldn't be successful in the modern NBA. I am saying that he would easily be one of the top 3 most despised players in the NBA, despite his successes.


Thats how I feel. I mean back then we heard little whispers of his off court antics but then reporters still had at least some measure of ethics and respect for the players. Now days there's absolutely no privacy and they are under intense media tabloid scrutiny at every step. Like you said he still would've been the man but he definitely would've been getting the Lebron/Kobe treatment.....

Astronaut
07-10-2011, 07:16 PM
There would be alot more Bulls fans on these forums...

Bulls vs. Heat would be crazy.

3ballbomber
07-10-2011, 11:06 PM
but he definitely would've been getting the Lebron/Kobe treatment.....
You cats gotta get something in your heads.................players such as Bryant & Lebron would not be the players they are if it wasn't for how Jordan elevated and revolutionized the game. Jordan also let his game speak for itself before money, braggadocio and ego. Jordan worked hard to get to where he was and achieved everything through focus, maturity, love/respect for the game & hardwork - you could say the same about Bryant but most def. not for Lebron.

The reason why the masses dislike Lebron is because point blank he is not humble, his ego is enormous, he is immature and lacks focus to achieve anything bigger than himself. all this and he has not one ring to his name and constantly comes up short when things matter. And even then he blames everything around him but himself. Jordan did none of this, he played hard until the clock ticked to the final second and would never let his team down and if he did he put it on himself and would come back twice as hungry, determined and further improved. You cannot criticize a player like that. A player whom would never let his team mates down and always wanted nothing but their best on the hardwood and nothing less.

What most people liked about Jordan most was his maturity, something Lebron lacks to this very day. You cannot fault a guy for being extremely competitive for that is the very thing that got everybody to criticize Lebron even further in those 4th quarter disappearences in the finals - while that was when Jordan would perform the magic that would inevitably send his stature to the apex of basketball greatness.

There is just too big a difference between Jordan and players such as Lebron that had Jordan been in his prime today, while Lebron would be busy dancing and messing around during games and taking fake team pics Jordan would be preoccupied with elevating himself, his team, his team mates and the game, winning titles and final mvp's while he was at it. Lebron often puts himself into negative situations opening himself into self inflicted criticism from his words and actions. While Jordan had respect for the game and that personified throughout his career.

JJ_JKidd
07-10-2011, 11:31 PM
MJ got it done. Six rings. Nuff said. Im hating coz they comparing SOMEONE to him, telling that he is gonna be better than MJ, but as it turns out he is NOTHING BUT A CHOKER, couldnt get it done despite all the hype, talent, as well as the talents around him.

Hell yeah im referring to Mr. Jabroni James!

Hellcrooner
07-10-2011, 11:47 PM
something funny, lebron james is going to be 27 in december.

he has played 7 seasons and carried his team twice to the finals even tough he los them.


Mj at age 27 had played 6 seasons and had never took his team to a finals.

so what this means is:

1 is STUPID to compare lebron and jordan because lebrons book is not still closed, and in a way it has not even begun.

2 if not for stern, gatorade, mcdonalds, and journalist being more serious and less gosspi back in the year 1990 Mj would have been labeled as much a "choker" as lebron is being labeled right now.

3 personaly i dont think lebron will ever be comparable to Jordan ( nor magic, nor wilt, nor kareem , nor Big O, nor bird, nor russell) he is second tier, and man understading that the "second tier" is people like Hakeem, or Shaq, or Dr J, well not that its bad company isnt it?

4 you better not measure success in rings, because when heat thing pans out they may win 7 straight, but of course they will have much less merit that show times 5, bulls 6 or kobes lakers 5.

Raph12
07-11-2011, 02:00 AM
MJ would be on Stephen Jackson's level if he were in the NBA right now.

This has got to be the stupidest post I've seen on PSD so far... Or atleast a Top 3 nominee.

3ballbomber
07-11-2011, 03:38 AM
2 if not for stern, gatorade, mcdonalds, and journalist being more serious and less gosspi back in the year 1990 Mj would have been labeled as much a "choker" as lebron is being labeled right now.

.
MJ, CHOKER???? REALLY?!!! there has not been a single moment in his NBA career where he quit/constantly deferred/been uninterested come crunch time in a championship atmosphere.

No real disrespect brah, but damn you be sayin' some real F'd up sh(i)t for real lol.

sventhedog
07-11-2011, 04:05 AM
he has played 7 seasons and carried his team twice to the finals even tough he los them.

1 is STUPID to compare lebron and jordan because lebrons book is not still closed, and in a way it has not even begun.

2 if not for stern, gatorade, mcdonalds, and journalist being more serious and less gosspi back in the year 1990 Mj would have been labeled as much a "choker" as lebron is being labeled right now.

3 personaly i dont think lebron will ever be comparable to Jordan ( nor magic, nor wilt, nor kareem , nor Big O, nor bird, nor russell) he is second tier, and man understading that the "second tier" is people like Hakeem, or Shaq, or Dr J, well not that its bad company isnt it?

4 you better not measure success in rings, because when heat thing pans out they may win 7 straight, but of course they will have much less merit that show times 5, bulls 6 or kobes lakers 5.



wow. carrying an east team to the finals is so hard even iverson got to do it. lol. no offense, but i might've brought an east team to the finals.

1 STUPID how you call someone a choker when he clearly made game-winning shots.

2 you're right. they all took care of MJ to make sure he doesn't disappear in 4th quarters and nba finals. i wonder why stern and nike couldn't make sure lebron doesn't disappear?

3 wow. i don't get this.

4 i hope you're not suggesting we measure success through "counting"

i'll just say "not 5, not 4, not 3, not 2, not 1." "wow i'm so successful."

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-11-2011, 05:09 AM
He was allowed to carry the ball in an era when it was much more enforced. I don't know if he started it, but with him being the golden boy for the NBA, I wouldn't be surprised if referees started becoming more lenient for superstars because of him (of course, they chose a great player to roll with, but it's pretty obvious they let him get away with a lot, such as pushing off before hitting "The Shot").

Read the book "when nothing else matters" Bryon Russell himself says that MJ did not push him.

bagwell368
07-11-2011, 07:22 AM
I absolutely hate it when people say that MJ got superstar calls, especially considering the Bulls were in the bottom third in the league in fta many times with MJ and Pippen.

Calls are not just foul calls. There is the matter of his flagrant disregard of the rules surrounding dribbling, and the officials looking the other way. The Bulls also had no real inside game, so they were not generating much that way - an obvious pitfall when you just look at a team stat, and think about what it means.


Superstar calls did not become a part of this league until the 2000s when popularity and talent was at an all-time low since the days of Magic and Bird and NBA needed up their ratings so they gave more benefits to stars.

Rubbish, I remember them clearly from the 80's. A some as early as the late 60's.


With all that said, winning cures all. So if we are talking about MJ with a few rings, he'd be loved and forgiven for his arrogance much like Kobe is now. However, I'm sure he'd be getting much crap if it was before he won, which he did anyway.

Kobe is loved? Forgiven? He's a great basketball player, and I wouldn't sit down to dinner with that piece of garbage.

JordansBulls
07-11-2011, 08:07 AM
something funny, lebron james is going to be 27 in december.

he has played 7 seasons and carried his team twice to the finals even tough he los them.


Mj at age 27 had played 6 seasons and had never took his team to a finals.

so what this means is:

1 is STUPID to compare lebron and jordan because lebrons book is not still closed, and in a way it has not even begun.

2 if not for stern, gatorade, mcdonalds, and journalist being more serious and less gosspi back in the year 1990 Mj would have been labeled as much a "choker" as lebron is being labeled right now.

3 personaly i dont think lebron will ever be comparable to Jordan ( nor magic, nor wilt, nor kareem , nor Big O, nor bird, nor russell) he is second tier, and man understading that the "second tier" is people like Hakeem, or Shaq, or Dr J, well not that its bad company isnt it?

4 you better not measure success in rings, because when heat thing pans out they may win 7 straight, but of course they will have much less merit that show times 5, bulls 6 or kobes lakers 5.

MJ was playing all time great teams. Magic Johnson on the other hand refused to play for the Bulls and threatened to go back to MSU because he knew he couldn't build a team from the ground up and win the title which is why he wanted to play with Kareem. But yet in still MJ still ended up with more accolades than him and was undefeated in series where he had the same record or better and undefeated with HCA at 24-0 while Magic even with prime Kareem and then getting Worthy still lost to teams below .500 in the playoffs and teams he won 11 more games than.

Jordan was never outscored in any playoff series in his career.

barreleffact
07-11-2011, 08:39 AM
^what he said. Plus, wasn't this Lebron's 8th season? Everyone seems to forget that, but it is his 8th. It took Jordan 7 and he had nowhere near the team they have.

MJ being labeled a choker is about as ludicrous as is gets. There may be no bigger game changer than MJ. Even in his last few finals that he shot about 40% in he was still hitting everything late in games.

wannabGM
07-11-2011, 08:49 AM
Come on...the hate level index is higher these days, but to say MJ would be hated as much as either Kobe or Lebron is just silly. None of them are perfect human beings(and neither am I), but despite their issues MJ had his head on better than those two numnuts for the types of things that sends the sports media into a frenzy, or for the types of things that really rub fans the wrong way.

It doesn't hurt MJ either that he played at a level that is likely higher than Lebron will ever attain, and did it for 6-8 years. Kobe had more similarities in his game to MJ than anyone, but even he was the best player in the world for only about 2 to 3 years. In the earlier championships he was maybe the best sidekick in NBA history.

ghettosean
07-11-2011, 10:01 AM
Why would he be hated? LeBron is only hated b/c of the decision and Kobe b/c of rape. Maybe he could be hated b/c of the betting thing but not much reason to hate him outside of winning.

:clap:

But still don't waste your breath this is just a thread to try and justify hate for Lebron. All I can see is when Jordan returned after his retirement he didn't get up on a stage with Rodman and Pippen and start dancing around like morons promising multiple championships. There was no basketball reasons for the fans to hate MJ. I guess the question heat fans should ask themselves is:

Does anyone hate Lebron for reasons unrelated to basketball and the answer is NO!!!

MJ never cut up the NBA fanbase, MJ never flopped, MJ never publically mocked NBA players (he did talk smack privately like every other player in the league to this day and including this past playoffs).

So I guess the answer is NO I don't think MJ would be close to as hated as Lebron for any such reason.

This thread is ridiculous and I think the comparisons are also ridiculous!!!

P.S

If you want me to show you some superstar calls Lebron gets just ask and be specific because he's got lots.... What do you want a carry, travel, flop... You name it and I'll deliver ;)

dodie53
07-11-2011, 10:43 AM
MJ will be hated,
because many will envy him

Da Knicks
07-11-2011, 10:48 AM
Very good question to ask if MJ would be hated, hmmm as much as Kobe and Lebron my answer no. Kobe and Lebron would just make MJ more likeable kinda like Lebron has helped Kobe. For the posters that are saying Jordan did not get superstar treatment i dont know what basketball you guys watched in the 80's and 90's because i can remember clearly Jordan, Magic and Bird getting all the bs calls that todays stars get. I can go as far and say they got more calls than Kobe, Lebron, Melo get today.

Southsideheat
07-11-2011, 11:02 AM
i can't hate on a guy when he's holding up the trophey 6 times. People ultimately hate Lebron because he hasn't won.

MackShock
07-11-2011, 11:17 AM
Of course he got treated like a superstar...he pushed Bryan Russell all the way to hell on that final shot...

Big Zo
07-11-2011, 11:45 AM
People seem to forget that MJ did have quite a few haters back in his day. He was often called a ball hog and people were starting to wonder if he could ever lead a team to a championship with his playing style. He was 29 when he won his first title and all that finally went away.

tr3ymill3r
07-11-2011, 12:09 PM
I'm sick and tired of the LeBron supporters jumping through hoops to try and make this guy look like MJ. Everyone is criticized in today's era of "Hate" and it's due to staying anonymous online and hiding behind a screen name. MJ was considered the best after his career not during the time where he was ringless, he also never took his talents anywhere.

Sandman
07-11-2011, 12:16 PM
The era of "hate"?

You realize that LeBron had all the sunshine in the world blown up his *** up until he left Cleveland?

People tried to hate MJ too. He kept coming back and proving them wrong.

KingPosey
07-11-2011, 12:59 PM
not if he made space jam 2

THIS.

And can they please pick better basketball players than Bogues and ****** Shawn Bradley this time?

ghettosean
07-11-2011, 01:00 PM
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ghettosean
07-11-2011, 01:02 PM
You cats gotta get something in your heads.................players such as Bryant & Lebron would not be the players they are if it wasn't for how Jordan elevated and revolutionized the game. Jordan also let his game speak for itself before money, braggadocio and ego. Jordan worked hard to get to where he was and achieved everything through focus, maturity, love/respect for the game & hardwork - you could say the same about Bryant but most def. not for Lebron.

The reason why the masses dislike Lebron is because point blank he is not humble, his ego is enormous, he is immature and lacks focus to achieve anything bigger than himself. all this and he has not one ring to his name and constantly comes up short when things matter. And even then he blames everything around him but himself. Jordan did none of this, he played hard until the clock ticked to the final second and would never let his team down and if he did he put it on himself and would come back twice as hungry, determined and further improved. You cannot criticize a player like that. A player whom would never let his team mates down and always wanted nothing but their best on the hardwood and nothing less.

What most people liked about Jordan most was his maturity, something Lebron lacks to this very day. You cannot fault a guy for being extremely competitive for that is the very thing that got everybody to criticize Lebron even further in those 4th quarter disappearences in the finals - while that was when Jordan would perform the magic that would inevitably send his stature to the apex of basketball greatness.

There is just too big a difference between Jordan and players such as Lebron that had Jordan been in his prime today, while Lebron would be busy dancing and messing around during games and taking fake team pics Jordan would be preoccupied with elevating himself, his team, his team mates and the game, winning titles and final mvp's while he was at it. Lebron often puts himself into negative situations opening himself into self inflicted criticism from his words and actions. While Jordan had respect for the game and that personified throughout his career.
Couldn't have said it better myself... BEST POST ON THIS SUBJECT!!!

I may change my signature to read this because I'm sick of the MJ comparisons there just isn't any and this cannot be refuted.

Hellcrooner
07-11-2011, 03:11 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself... BEST POST ON THIS SUBJECT!!!

I may change my signature to read this because I'm sick of the MJ comparisons there just isn't any and this cannot be refuted.

And if you disagree we will take you to the inquisition and they will burn you to death!!!!!

And the earth is Square because god says So!!!!!


that brainwashing is what media has done with the Mj figure and obviously 99% of population has fallen in the trap, wich is why you cant never have any real discussion bout him.

ghettosean
07-11-2011, 04:11 PM
And if you disagree we will take you to the inquisition and they will burn you to death!!!!!

And the earth is Square because god says So!!!!!


that brainwashing is what media has done with the Mj figure and obviously 99% of population has fallen in the trap, wich is why you cant never have any real discussion bout him.
So what's ur arguement... I watched the Jordan Era from begining to end... I watched him live in person before he was in a wizards uniform. This has nothing to do with media influenceget over it bro... Oh and Mr Miami fan. --> what was Lebrons 1st jersey#... NUFF SAID!!! Learn ur history son.

Hellcrooner
07-11-2011, 04:23 PM
So what's ur arguement... I watched the Jordan Era from begining to end... I watched him live in person before he was in a wizards uniform. This has nothing to do with media influenceget over it bro... Oh and Mr Miami fan. --> what was Lebrons 1st jersey#... NUFF SAID!!! Learn ur history son.

too bad im a LAKERS fans, im also 34 and been watching since 85 ( jordans second season).

tonyd3b54
07-11-2011, 04:29 PM
if he was as clutch today as he was back in his day espn would be choking on his dick so hard.

mark1125
07-11-2011, 04:52 PM
I would probably hate him as I did back in the day. HOWEVER, unlike Mr. James, MJ is a proven winner and would have my respect.

Until proven wrong, LeBron is just about tweets, specials, attention, big talk, and hot dogging. I just hate him for being a diva. Jordan would have just been a dick. A dick who is a winner.

knickfan33
07-11-2011, 04:53 PM
why is this the era of hate? cause so many fans are abusing the heat for failing after throwing a ticker tape parade for just signing a contract, and falling on there knees crying for getting past the second round of the playoffs? im a knick fan, i've hated the celtics, pacers, heat...ect.. my whole life, i dont hate them now more then ever. they just opened the flood gates for trash talk by disgracing the competitive nature of basketball and making mockery of the sport the way they have.

i hated MJ to, would i ever deny he wasnt the greatest of all time...hell no...
did reggie miller stink... hell no...
was alonzo terrable...hell no...
i still hated them all, i wouldnt say the big three stink, but watching them fail brings a great deal of satisfaction.

if anything there was more hate in jordans era... cause fans werent fans of players like they are today, they were fans of teams....now-a-days if someone like kobe went to the bucks there would be 1000000 fans who are suddenly buck fans, you wouldnt see that as much then, and when you are a diehard fan of a team, your going to hate rivals.

example, when kobe scored 61 at MSG even knick fans were cheering him, you would have never seen that in that era.

if anything there is less hate now, it just so happens a majority of it is directed at a group of guys who put themselves in that spotlight by their actions and how they have conducted themselves....

sixer04fan
07-11-2011, 05:11 PM
This is not the "era of hate." There was much more hate back in MJ's day. Much more passion and many more rivalries. All the "hate" in today's game is basically directed at one person, and one team... And it's something that they brought upon themselves with The Decision and the preseason fog machine celebration. But this is definitely not the "era of hate."

To answer the question though, MJ would not be hated as much today as Lebron is. At the end of the day, if you can lead your team to a championship, the hate starts to fade away and that turns into respect. Just ask Kobe.

ghettosean
07-11-2011, 05:54 PM
too bad im a LAKERS fans, im also 34 and been watching since 85 ( jordans second season).
Dude that's so awesome so we are pretty much from the same era because most young douche bags would use brainwashing as a stupid defense to what I wrote so since were pretty much the same age and era...

What was it that you refuted or disagreed with from the original message I quoted???

Jordan was clutch and hit winning baskets? What exactly? It was pretty factual...

Please tell us oh wise one... educate me please!!!

Also let me know why this is the era of hate since fans just hate "The heat" and "Lebron" please let me know where the era part comes in since season one of the so called big 3. People hated Lebron for the decision, dancing and prancing around pre-season before a bloody practice, announced they were going to win multiple championships, mocking superstars in the playoffs and disrespecting the NBA fan base when the season ended.

I mean really are you comparing MJ to this nonsense never mind the flops ooooooooo plenty for the heat wish we could hate MJ for that too. If your really the veteran you say you are don't spew stats or google.

Lets talk basketball elder of this forum!!!

P.S

Kobe was mentored by MJ at points during his career... Learn your history ;)

Tony_Starks
07-11-2011, 06:05 PM
Era of hate refers to hating on star players in general is at an alltime high. D Rose hate is absurd and he's MVP! People say Blake Griffin is on SC too much and this dude is like a video game! Durant actually gets hated on for being too nice! Kevin Love constantly get dissed and he literally had a historic season! On and on and on....

The key thing is most of the hate/jealousy is non basketball related. Guys are too pompous or not good role models or whatever else they say. By that criteria alone MJ wouldve been a villain getting 10 threads a day like "I don't care how good he is, I can't stand him!"

Hellcrooner
07-11-2011, 06:14 PM
Dude that's so awesome so we are pretty much from the same era because most young douche bags would use brainwashing as a stupid defense to what I wrote so since were pretty much the same age and era...

What was it that you refuted or disagreed with from the original message I quoted???

Jordan was clutch and hit winning baskets? What exactly? It was pretty factual...

Please tell us oh wise one... educate me please!!!

Also let me know why this is the era of hate since fans just hate "The heat" and "Lebron" please let me know where the era part comes in since season one of the so called big 3. People hated Lebron for the decision, dancing and prancing around pre-season before a bloody practice, announced they were going to win multiple championships, mocking superstars in the playoffs and disrespecting the NBA fan base when the season ended.

I mean really are you comparing MJ to this nonsense never mind the flops ooooooooo plenty for the heat wish we could hate MJ for that too. If your really the veteran you say you are don't spew stats or google.

Lets talk basketball elder of this forum!!!

P.S

Kobe was mentored by MJ at points during his career... Learn your history ;)

people are using the "jordan was a proven winner" as an argument he wouldnt be hated.

and they are FORGETTING that he didnt win until 1991, wich means he would have had his number of posters naming him "choker" and "fraud" and etc etc and that would be extremely alienated by his antics with teamates, FO, coaches and etc etc.
this of course if the corporations that invested tons of dollars in him allowed the media to take out all the ****.

Stuckey#3
07-11-2011, 06:28 PM
People talked a lot of **** about Jordan before he won his first ring...
And a lot of people hated him after that; but they also respected him.

People like winners or will at least tolerate them.

The problem with our league today is you have a bunch of cocky kids that haven't won anything talking ****. They go so far as to giving themselves nicknames such as King, Chosen One, and Superman(even though Dwight was joking on that one it stuck.)

I think it is easier to hate in a social media environment... but I also think we have more punkassed stars in the league today.

Keep your ****ing mouth shut until you win something. I don't think Jordan, Pippen and company ever had a championship celebration before the season even started.

JordansBulls
07-11-2011, 06:33 PM
people are using the "jordan was a proven winner" as an argument he wouldnt be hated.

and they are FORGETTING that he didnt win until 1991, wich means he would have had his number of posters naming him "choker" and "fraud" and etc etc and that would be extremely alienated by his antics with teamates, FO, coaches and etc etc.
this of course if the corporations that invested tons of dollars in him allowed the media to take out all the ****.

Except he was outplaying each and every player in the league especially in the playoffs and setting playoff records.

Jordan's mentality was the following:


"When I came here we started from scratch," he said. "We started at the bottom and made it to the top. It's been a long, long seven years, a lot of bad teams, a lot of improvement, step by step, inch by inch. I never gave up hope. I always had faith."



But yet you blame Jordan for accepting the challenge, while your idol Magic Johnson refused it.


http://articles.latimes.com/1991-06-05/sports/sp-83_1_lakers


Magic Johnson would have returned to Michigan State rather than play for the Chicago Bulls.

"I'd have stayed in school," he said here Tuesday, standing alone outside Gate 3 1/2 of Chicago Stadium, the house that could have been his. "A coin toss changed the course of my whole life."

Johnson signed with the Lakers after his sophomore year of college and proceeded to win five championships. The Bulls picked second, took UCLA's David Greenwood and have won no championships.

"I wouldn't have played here," Johnson said on the eve of Game 2 of the NBA finals between his team and the team that could have been his. "The only reason I came out was to play with Kareem and the Lakers.

Hellcrooner
07-11-2011, 06:38 PM
Except he was outplaying each and every player in the league especially in the playoffs and setting playoff records.

Jordan's mentality was the following:



But yet you blame Jordan for accepting the challenge, while your idol Magic Johnson refused it.


http://articles.latimes.com/1991-06-05/sports/sp-83_1_lakers

1 this thread isnt about magic johnson.

2 you can bet your *** if Lebron James or Kobe put up a 67 points ( 69?) in teh playoffs in a DEFEAT, todays people would not only not consider it "legendary" but torch them for being egomanicas, selfish and costing the team the defeat.

ghettosean
07-11-2011, 06:41 PM
Era of hate refers to hating on star players in general is at an alltime high. D Rose hate is absurd and he's MVP! People say Blake Griffin is on SC too much and this dude is like a video game! Durant actually gets hated on for being too nice! Kevin Love constantly get dissed and he literally had a historic season! On and on and on....

The key thing is most of the hate/jealousy is non basketball related. Guys are too pompous or not good role models or whatever else they say. By that criteria alone MJ wouldve been a villain getting 10 threads a day like "I don't care how good he is, I can't stand him!"
Honestly someone is going to have to back this up... Any Kevin Love haters or Durant smashers out there. Honestly I'm on this forum a lot and I haven't seen any evil threads started about these guys aside from debates on should Kevin Love make the all star team and will Durant and the thunder be contenders now that they have Perkins.

Any Griffin, Love or Durant haters out there??? Or the humble Derek Rose??? I'm a Toronto fan by the way so I'm pretty bias I'd say on the subject but....

Anyone feel free to attack me on this but I need to be sure....

The only common hate has been for the heat and there are constant threads all year about it but as for the rest I'd have to say your wrong and 1 year does not constitute an era sorry. Cause lets be real no one would be bringing this up the year before the decision it's only no we see threads like this.

I strongly disagree... Sorry!

ghettosean
07-11-2011, 06:49 PM
people are using the "jordan was a proven winner" as an argument he wouldnt be hated.

and they are FORGETTING that he didnt win until 1991, wich means he would have had his number of posters naming him "choker" and "fraud" and etc etc and that would be extremely alienated by his antics with teamates, FO, coaches and etc etc.
this of course if the corporations that invested tons of dollars in him allowed the media to take out all the ****.
Dude there is one thing you are forgetting between Lebron and Jordan when you make this argument about how Jordan would have been called a fraud, choker... etc... etc.

1. Jordan did not self proclaim himself as "The King" or Air Jordan or any of that nonsense before or after he came into the league

2. Jordan also did not predict how many championships he would win

3. Jordan did not have a press conference after every game in the season like Lebron has done this year (he took his interviews in the locker like every player in the league).

4. Jordan had heart he had the drive to win and let his game speak for itself instead of being a media whore. Like Lebron has done through out his career.

You're from the old era am I wrong or not?

Hellcrooner
07-11-2011, 07:00 PM
Honestly someone is going to have to back this up... Any Kevin Love haters or Durant smashers out there. Honestly I'm on this forum a lot and I haven't seen any evil threads started about these guys aside from debates on should Kevin Love make the all star team and will Durant and the thunder be contenders now that they have Perkins.

Any Griffin, Love or Durant haters out there??? Or the humble Derek Rose??? I'm a Toronto fan by the way so I'm pretty bias I'd say on the subject but....

Anyone feel free to attack me on this but I need to be sure....

The only common hate has been for the heat and there are constant threads all year about it but as for the rest I'd have to say your wrong and 1 year does not constitute an era sorry. Cause lets be real no one would be bringing this up the year before the decision it's only no we see threads like this.

I strongly disagree... Sorry!

i hate griffin.......mmmm to be precise, no i dont hate griffin i hate what media ( espn in particular) does with griffin.

Hellcrooner
07-11-2011, 07:01 PM
Dude there is one thing you are forgetting between Lebron and Jordan when you make this argument about how Jordan would have been called a fraud, choker... etc... etc.

1. Jordan did not self proclaim himself as "The King" or Air Jordan or any of that nonsense before or after he came into the league

2. Jordan also did not predict how many championships he would win

3. Jordan did not have a press conference after every game in the season like Lebron has done this year (he took his interviews in the locker like every player in the league).

4. Jordan had heart he had the drive to win and let his game speak for itself instead of being a media whore. Like Lebron has done through out his career.

You're from the old era am I wrong or not?
thats the quesiton, thats how old era players behaved, with little exceptions ( chuck?).

JordansBulls
07-11-2011, 07:03 PM
1 this thread isnt about magic johnson.

2 you can bet your *** if Lebron James or Kobe put up a 67 points ( 69?) in teh playoffs in a DEFEAT, todays people would not only not consider it "legendary" but torch them for being egomanicas, selfish and costing the team the defeat.

As long as he didn't lose the series with HCA which would mean he was the favorite or expected to win or had a good chance to. He was 24-0 in series with HCA. Only top 20 player all time to be undefeated with HCA that many times as the best player on his team.

Tuck&Rolle
07-11-2011, 09:25 PM
O cmon with this garbage. MJ is the best of all time and I hated him but also always had a ton of respect for him.

Sox72
07-11-2011, 09:44 PM
If LeBron is hated then obviously Jordan would be hated. They are two completely different players

Huh? This doesn't make sense.

Illinirob83
07-11-2011, 09:51 PM
When was there not an era of hate? I would argue the hate was much higher as a whole then rather than now.

ghettosean
07-12-2011, 05:24 AM
i hate griffin.......mmmm to be precise, no i dont hate griffin i hate what media ( espn in particular) does with griffin.
Agreed in a way... I hate that he won the dunk contest because I don't think he deserved to win but I'm with you. I hate that one fact but I don't hate the player. I don't hate any players in the NBA really the only team I hate is the heat with 90% of the NBA.

MagicHero3
07-12-2011, 08:42 AM
We all know that hating is at an alltime high, it's pretty much the cool thing to do. Not to mention the social network aspect of it that he didn't really have to deal with. Jordan had all the qualities that are a magnet to haters such as:



-arrogant
-rich
-cocky
-dislike from other players/ teammates
-darling of the league
-superstar calls from refs
-unstoppable winner



That being said if he was in his prime right now where do you think the level of hate would be at for this guy? I personally think he would be right under Lebron, just ahead of Kobe. The reason I place him in front of Kobe is he's more successful so the more success= more jealousy. I could just picture tmz stalking him at casino's or mediatakeout catching him with other women......

this is so stupid lol. really? did u never watch a press conference of Jordans? did you see how humble he was? please. you think its the "era of hate" right now??? the only person hated is Lebron! thats not an era of anything. darling of the league??? wtf? you sound like a bitter lebron fan still mending your wounds off your embarassing 3 losses in a row to let the Mavericks beat you. you literally are curious how much Jordan would be hated right now if he was in the league in his prime? why? for what reason? just bc ppl hate lebron? lebron will never hold a candle to Jordan's success as an icon or a player. Just bc Jordan was the best doesnt mean he should be hated if he were the best right now. HE WAS A WORLDWIDE ICON. Yeah, he was an arrogant ***, but people LOVED him and IDOLIZED him. Kids were singing "i wanna be i wanna be like miike". literally. This thread is complete disrespect to the most successfull ATHLETE in history. All those things u listed bad about Jordan, they were already KNOWN to the world WHILE he was in the league. So nothing changes now. find a better use of your time besides creating threads to bash the greatest basketball player to walk this earth.

MagicHero3
07-12-2011, 08:57 AM
Era of hate refers to hating on star players in general is at an alltime high. D Rose hate is absurd and he's MVP! People say Blake Griffin is on SC too much and this dude is like a video game! Durant actually gets hated on for being too nice! Kevin Love constantly get dissed and he literally had a historic season! On and on and on....

The key thing is most of the hate/jealousy is non basketball related. Guys are too pompous or not good role models or whatever else they say. By that criteria alone MJ wouldve been a villain getting 10 threads a day like "I don't care how good he is, I can't stand him!"

i see no D-Rose hate

blake griffin highlights are not on SC enough

WTF durant hated on for being nice? you just literally made that up. i cant remember anyone ever expressing any hate for Durant. my god your delusional.

K-Love getting dissed? I guess getting most improved player is a diss then right?

way to create this era of hate in your mind bc thats the only place it exists. this is truly ridiculous.

Oldmantrash
07-12-2011, 09:53 AM
Jordan was hated on the court,he was just respected so much.

Remember before last year,everyone loved Lebron.

There also wasn't ten million forums back then.
I was a huge NBA fan in the 80's and 90's,and there was still hate,everyone had there own opinion,just like today,but it was arguments between friends,not over the web.

Illinirob83
07-12-2011, 12:35 PM
people are using the "jordan was a proven winner" as an argument he wouldnt be hated.

and they are FORGETTING that he didnt win until 1991, wich means he would have had his number of posters naming him "choker" and "fraud" and etc etc and that would be extremely alienated by his antics with teamates, FO, coaches and etc etc.
this of course if the corporations that invested tons of dollars in him allowed the media to take out all the ****.

And you're 34 and paid attention? People were hating on Jordan because he didn't win against the piston in the late 80's. All the "experts" said you can never win with a high volume shooting scoring guard leading the team. You needed to win with size or elite pg, Jordan of course made them all look ridiculous.

Hellcrooner
07-12-2011, 01:52 PM
And you're 34 and paid attention? People were hating on Jordan because he didn't win against the piston in the late 80's. All the "experts" said you can never win with a high volume shooting scoring guard leading the team. You needed to win with size or elite pg, Jordan of course made them all look ridiculous.

the question is the media was RIGHT, if jordan had never met PHIL and had bought into trusting his teamates a bit more ( he still was a volume shooter but learned to deffer more at certain times and to pass every now and then when triple teamed) he would have probably ended up rignless.

smiddy012
07-12-2011, 02:11 PM
Jordan wasn't hated back in his day? Wow the fricken kids on these forums need to get a fricken clue - the OP is not intelligent to say the least.

I've never heard a stadium get louder and angrier than when playing against MJ. Go watch the 98 finals vs Utah or any crucial games/series towards the latter half of that dynasty, and the hate from the crowd will just tickle your little ear-drums.

The difference between why people hated (and continue to hate) MJ and hate on Lebron is that people hate(d) MJ because he's the greatest. Now MJ wasn't the GOAT because of god-given talent, whereas Lebron is a waste of potential relatively speaking.

Its still funny to me how some posters here think MJ wasn't hated back in the day... well I suppose that's because even those who hated him still respected him - Lebron just doesn't deserve the respect - not yet.

Missing56&33
07-12-2011, 02:21 PM
If MJ was at his prime right now in an era of hate?

1. He wouldn't join the Heat
2. He would be still winning basketball games
3. Dirk would still be ringless
4. Lebron and Kobe would be ringless.
5. Jordan would still be the best player in the league and far ahead of second best

Its hard to hate on a guy that makes you sit down and watch with amazement.

smiddy012
07-12-2011, 02:27 PM
the question is the media was RIGHT, if jordan had never met PHIL and had bought into trusting his teamates a bit more ( he still was a volume shooter but learned to deffer more at certain times and to pass every now and then when triple teamed) he would have probably ended up rignless.

:facepalm: