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Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 06:13 PM
In light of Yao's recent retirement I ask you guys the question. Is Yao Ming worthy of entering the Basketball Hall of Fame?

IMO based solely on NBA career he is not but based on his international career to go along with the fact that he was the 1st international born No. 1 Draft pick, an 8 time All Star, five All-NBA teams, various FIBA accomplishments and taking the games to places it has never been before. Arguably the most influential international "superstar" in NBA history.

His Résumé

8× NBA All-Star (2003–2009, 2011)
2× All-NBA Second Team (2007, 2009)
3× All-NBA Third Team (2004, 2006, 2008)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2003)
2002 FIBA World Championship All-Tournament Team
3× FIBA Asian Championship MVP (2001, 2003, 2005)

Career Basic


Season Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Career NBA 486 476 32.5 7.0 13.3 .524 0.0 0.0 .200 5.1 6.1 .833 2.5 6.7 9.2 1.6 0.4 1.9 2.7 3.3 19.0

Career Totals

Season Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Career NBA 486 476 15818 3380 6445 .524 2 10 .200 2485 2984 .833 1233 3261 4494 769 189 920 1311 1596 9247

Careen Advanced


Season Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
Career NBA 486 15818 23.0 .596 .525 9.3 23.3 16.5 9.6 0.6 4.4 14.5 26.8 112 99 36.7 29.3 65.9 0.200

According to Basketball reference HOF Probability he's 24th among active (well he nor Shaq is no long active) players with a 0.3071 HOF Probability.


Rank Player HoF Prob
24. Yao Ming 0.3071

http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/hof_prob.html

That system does have its gaping flaws but can be useful in such a discussion.

Just to compound what I said about Yao off the Court:

December 2010:


Almost certainly, Yao Ming has introduced more people to professional basketball, surely the NBA brand, than any one man in the history of the sport. While it's difficult to get exact ratings of the 39 NBA games broadcast in a season in China on CCTV (China Central television), the best available evidence is that approximately 200 million have frequently watched when the Rockets play, which is about one-third of the time. That's 195 million more than watch an NBA playoff game, on average. It's nearly two Super Bowls worth of eyeballs on any game. Or as former Rockets guard Sam Cassell said, "Let's just say for the sake of arguing, its 50 million people. That means Yao attracts a major market all by himself. Actually, that's five major markets. And we all know it's a lot more people than that. It's hundreds of millions watching games for the whole time he's been in the league."

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=5939160&wjb

August 2010:


NBA merchandise is available in 30,000 stores in China and retail sales grew by 100% in the past year, according to the league. Helping that along has been Yao Ming's presence in the NBA.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketba ... owth_N.htm

May 2009:


Now 89 percent of Chinese people aged 15 to 54 are aware of the NBA, according to findings in a 2008 survey conducted by leading global market researcher TNS.

China is the NBA's largest international market and has grown at an annual pace of 30 to 40 percent in recent years.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2 ... 786782.htm

Of course this is just a small sample size of the impact in which Yao has had on the league size he's joined.

I must admit previously I was sceptical but now after reviewing his enitre career, especially off the NBA Court I think he's HOF worthy.

ichitownclowni
07-08-2011, 06:18 PM
I say yes but iffy

LTBaByyy
07-08-2011, 06:21 PM
YES!!!!

But not first ballot, he will wait a couple years after he is eligible

KingPosey
07-08-2011, 06:29 PM
no, lol he is behind Gilbert, Marion, and oft-injured Grant Hill. Its a ****ing joke if Yao gets in. He was hurt too often, and didnt play well enough in the short time he played to over look that.

He played 4 full seasons. That doesnt get it done. And out of the 4 full seasons, only one is ALMOST HOF worthy.

TheChamp
07-08-2011, 06:30 PM
NO. But if he does it would take years of ballots.

jp611
07-08-2011, 06:32 PM
Not even close, unless they change the Hall of Fame voting to include fans, then China will vote him in like they voted him in for bogus All Star games

koreancabbage
07-08-2011, 06:32 PM
yes.

$GangGr33n$
07-08-2011, 06:40 PM
no and that list is crazy there is no way Arenas will ever get in the HOF IMO

smuffins353
07-08-2011, 06:40 PM
absolutely....right before he went down he was dominating the game....He knocked out Portland and was on his way to knocking out the Lakers in 2009. If it wasn't for injuries, Yao would have become one of greatest big men of all time

RLundi
07-08-2011, 06:43 PM
Not even close. I like Yao and am sad of his early departure, but he hasn't contributed enough to the league to be worthy of HOF.

rhino17
07-08-2011, 06:46 PM
Yes

Not only is he the first worldwide sports icon that China has ever had,

Ultimately, he was an elite player at his position. Shaq dominated the center spot the early part of the decade, Yao dominated the later part and was unquestionable the best center in the league until the time he went down.

gilly
07-08-2011, 06:47 PM
For contributions to basketball, I say yes. He skyrocketed the popularity of basketball in China and will forever be remembered not only as a great center but for being a spokesperson internationally.

GoatMilk
07-08-2011, 06:56 PM
no, lol he is behind Gilbert, Marion, and oft-injured Grant Hill. Its a ****ing joke if Yao gets in. He was hurt too often, and didnt play well enough in the short time he played to over look that.

He played 4 full seasons. That doesnt get it done. And out of the 4 full seasons, only one is ALMOST HOF worthy.

Bill Walton: 468 career games. 13/11 career averages

Yao Ming: 486 career games. 19/9 career averages

mightybosstone
07-08-2011, 06:58 PM
As a player, it's questionable becuase his career was cut short due to injuries and he only won one postseason series. But if you look at elite centers during the last decade, I'd put him right up there with Dwight Howard and Shaq. When you consider that he consistently dominated Dwight, I think there's something to be said for that as well.

When you consider his contribution to the league by bringing the NBA to China and becoming an icon, I think he's certainly worthy of the hall of fame.

As a Rockets' fan, the Yao, T-Mac era may be the most disappointing era of any sports franchise I've ever been a fan of. When they were healthy, they didn't have a supporting cast and were in a conference of superior talent, and when they finally got the supporing cast, neither were healthy long enough to give it a good run.

When I look at the 08-09 roster of Yao, T-Mac, Artest, Scola, Battier, Brooks, Landry and Lowry it makes me absolutely sick. If Houston had gotten just one year of decent health from Yao and Tracy for that entire season, that is a championship caliber roster...

Cano4prez
07-08-2011, 07:00 PM
No..

Mr. Baller
07-08-2011, 07:02 PM
Yes: Not only for his game on the court, but also what he did for the game off the court. Made NBA much bigger in China, basically creating that market

Giants88
07-08-2011, 07:04 PM
No way

dtmagnet
07-08-2011, 07:06 PM
no, lol he is behind Gilbert, Marion, and oft-injured Grant Hill. Its a ****ing joke if Yao gets in. He was hurt too often, and didnt play well enough in the short time he played to over look that.

He played 4 full seasons. That doesnt get it done. And out of the 4 full seasons, only one is ALMOST HOF worthy.

This is the BASKETBALL hall of fame not the NBA hall of fame...

Yao Ming is deserving of a spot in the hall of fame, he helped globalize this game.

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 07:21 PM
This is the BASKETBALL hall of fame not the NBA hall of fame...

Yao Ming is deserving of a spot in the hall of fame, he helped globalize this game.

Yup. His FIBA accomplishments (3 gold medals as undoubtedly the team's best player) coupled with helping the game grow in the most populated country in the world should be enough IMO.

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 07:30 PM
Yao is also ranks #21 All time in PER (23.0), #20 all time in WS/48 (.200) and #23 all time in TS% (.596). The fact that he played a considerable portion of his career injured and was still able to rank so highly in these 2 statistics speaks volumes to his worth and overall impact when he was indeed healthy.

theheatles
07-08-2011, 07:33 PM
Yao is a HOF LOCK...by saying no, shows blatant ignorance and i am taking notes to see who the retards are....yao doesn't deserve to get in strictly on his on court accomplishments but his off court contributions to the game affected more ppl in this world involving the game of basketball than michael jordan

Tony_Starks
07-08-2011, 07:35 PM
Arenas has a shot at the HOF? Oh man how I would love to hear that speech!

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 07:36 PM
Yao is a HOF LOCK...by saying no, shows blatant ignorance and i am taking notes to see who the retards are....yao doesn't deserve to get in strictly on his on court accomplishments but his off court contributions to the game affected more ppl in this world involving the game of basketball than michael jordan

I'm upset that I forgot to enable the public poll option. :mad:

LTBaByyy
07-08-2011, 07:42 PM
Bill Walton: 468 career games. 13/11 career averages

Yao Ming: 486 career games. 19/9 career averages

:clap:

Dash
07-08-2011, 07:48 PM
No not even close, he didn't even get past 1st round in play offs.

No.. if he does that's dumb.

If he was never injured he would have probably got in.

blastmasta26
07-08-2011, 07:53 PM
Based purely off of his NBA accomplishments, it would be doubtful. But, as some have pointed out, his international impact and success will elevate him into the Hall. And deservedly so, considering all those offseasons he spent playing for China very well may have derailed his career by reducing his rest time and making him more susceptible to injury.

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 07:55 PM
No not even close, he didn't even get past 1st round in play offs.

No.. if he does that's dumb.

If he was never injured he would have probably got in.

At least do a little research before spewing your nonsense.

Chacarron
07-08-2011, 08:01 PM
Yes but not 1st ballot.

THE MTL
07-08-2011, 08:25 PM
Ask yourself a question.....Has Yao done enough to be immortalized into the Hall of Fame? I dont think so. I agree with the Top 12 probability though.

SanPitte
07-08-2011, 08:42 PM
you're telling me there is a 30% chance to see Gilbert Arenas become a HOF???!!
i think Yao isn't worthy, he missed too many games, doesn't have extraordinary stats, and never led the Rockets anywhere, even with help...
you can't make a player a HOFer just because he brought basketball to fame in his country... would you make Rick Smits or Detlef Schrempf Hall of Famers only because they helped popularize this sport in the Netherlands and Germany respectively??
and Bill Walton led the Blazers to a title, that's a big difference...

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-08-2011, 08:51 PM
The only reason why I see him going in is b/c they put in a lot of players every year. So yes but after waiting for about a decade.

Tony_Starks
07-08-2011, 08:52 PM
Will he? Yes. Should he? no.

THE MTL
07-08-2011, 08:54 PM
you're telling me there is a 30% chance to see Gilbert Arenas become a HOF???!!
i think Yao isn't worthy, he missed too many games, doesn't have extraordinary stats, and never led the Rockets anywhere, even with help...
you can't make a player a HOFer just because he brought basketball to fame in his country... would you make Rick Smits or Detlef Schrempf Hall of Famers only because they helped popularize this sport in the Netherlands and Germany respectively??
and Bill Walton led the Blazers to a title, that's a big difference...

Well I dont agree with those selections either. Gilbert Arenas shouldnt have such a high probability. However, it will only go further down as ppl realize he'll never be Hibachi again.

John Walls Era
07-08-2011, 09:09 PM
Yes. What he did for the game and the league should be enough

ttam68
07-08-2011, 09:25 PM
He'll get in eventually. Its not a matter of the hall being a collection of champions and greats, but its capturing the most captivating of sports stories and ensuring they're carried on forever. A 7'6" guy who was damn good and brought billions of fans fits the bill.

GoPacers33
07-08-2011, 09:27 PM
Holy **** it's almost 50 50

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 09:33 PM
you're telling me there is a 30% chance to see Gilbert Arenas become a HOF???!!
i think Yao isn't worthy, he missed too many games, doesn't have extraordinary stats, and never led the Rockets anywhere, even with help...
you can't make a player a HOFer just because he brought basketball to fame in his country... would you make Rick Smits or Detlef Schrempf Hall of Famers only because they helped popularize this sport in the Netherlands and Germany respectively??
and Bill Walton led the Blazers to a title, that's a big difference...

No formula is %100 accurate, that probability should be taken with a grain of salt. I just posted it as a form of reference and a basis for the debate.

Also the Netherlands and Germany is not China. Yao was a not only a known figure in China but worldwide. He brought Billions of dollars and in turn close to a billion fans maybe more. He is easily the most influential international player the game has ever seen if we look at it from a popularity and monetary POV.

Yanks All Day
07-08-2011, 09:47 PM
In what world is Tim Duncan only a 99.999% lock for the Hall?

hyb152
07-08-2011, 09:53 PM
Yes. Not only did he have some great all star seasons, but he was a great marketer for the NBA. He pretty much gained the NBA about 300,000,000 more fans by himself. You cant say it's cuz he's chinese because two other chinese players, Wang Zhu Zhu and Yi Jianlian havent done an ounce of crap in the NBA. Yao was a star. I know he was hurt a lot but he was a great player when healthy, a great teammate, citizen, class act, and put up 20+ pts and 10 rebs on average when healthy.

TheRazorboy
07-08-2011, 10:12 PM
Not even close. I like Yao and am sad of his early departure, but he hasn't contributed enough to the league to be worthy of HOF.

Good thing the hall isn't a league honor.

JamaicanYouth
07-08-2011, 10:16 PM
Lol at bosh being higher than dwight howard on that list

ABOMB_56
07-08-2011, 10:18 PM
People need to realize that this is a BASKETBALL Hall of Fame, and not just the NBA Hall of Fame. He had a great international career, and he helped the globalization of the NBA

MrfadeawayJB
07-08-2011, 10:18 PM
If he could have stayed healthy, he would have been easily....but for now i say no

lakerboy
07-08-2011, 10:21 PM
People who say NO have no idea what they are talking about. This is the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall of Fame.

Yao Ming LITERALLY, and will SINGLE HANDEDLY sustain the life of the NBA to the 21st century by making basketball the #1 sport of a rapidly growing 2BILLION people strong country.

China, the world's fastest developing country by a big freaking mile is basketball crazy now. You can even argue he has immortalized the game. Yao Ming has single handedly put basketball at a brink of becoming the #1 sport in the world in the next 100 years.

John Walls Era
07-08-2011, 10:32 PM
People said no? Not only was he great when healthy (yeah there were only like 5 seasons), but he made NBA into a global brand.

NSJ
07-08-2011, 10:47 PM
People said yes? I don't think making the NBA a global brand makes you HOF worthy. He was a good player when healthy but not great. He never even led the league in any category, not that that necessarily matters but he really wasn't that special (aside from being a 7'6).

beasted86
07-08-2011, 11:19 PM
Yao Ming, yes.

Paula Gasol, no.

Jewelz0376
07-08-2011, 11:23 PM
Yao Ming, yes.

Paula Gasol, no.

How is Yao a hofer and Pau isnt??

nickdymez
07-08-2011, 11:25 PM
Bill Walton: 468 career games. 13/11 career averages

Yao Ming: 486 career games. 19/9 career averages

More for college i think

nickdymez
07-08-2011, 11:27 PM
Yao Ming, yes.

Paula Gasol, no.

Its been pretty much cemented into fact that exactly 1 year ago today Heat fans had no basketball I.Q. And this post right here proves the theory correct..

Chacarron
07-08-2011, 11:29 PM
Yao Ming, yes.

Paula Gasol, no.

Ignorance is bliss. It's the Basketball Hall of Fame, not NBA Hall of Fame. Both Yao and Pau will make it because of their international success and NBA careers.

beasted86
07-08-2011, 11:32 PM
How is Yao a hofer and Pau isnt??

Because Yao had MVP caliber impact in the NBA when healthy, Pau hasn't... he never even won 1 playoff game as a number 1 option.

Yao also was the entire Chinese team. Without him they go nowhere... while Gasol had more than a couple NBA level players on his national teams that medaled.

IDB Josh M
07-08-2011, 11:36 PM
Yao. Stop talking about Pau Gasol. I may be a Laker fan, but I'm extremely saddened by his retirement.

Ggravity2
07-08-2011, 11:55 PM
Hypothetically speaking, if Ming were to retire today I think he'd have a strong case for HOF

Hellcrooner
07-09-2011, 12:07 AM
Ask yourself a question.....Has Yao done enough to be immortalized into the Hall of Fame? I dont think so. I agree with the Top 12 probability though.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6166817

ask yourself a question, what did ralph sampson whos healthy career was even shorter than mings, to deserve being in the hof?

nickdymez
07-09-2011, 12:08 AM
Because Yao had MVP caliber impact in the NBA when healthy, Pau hasn't... he never even won 1 playoff game as a number 1 option.

Yao also was the entire Chinese team. Without him they go nowhere... while Gasol had more than a couple NBA level players on his national teams that medaled.

Ban yourself for a week please.... The fact that Gasol even lead the Grizzly's to the playoffs is awesome... Yao's had some really good teams... Name someone else on Gasols Grizzly's.. International success? Pau doesnt have that in Spain? And i hate Gasol...

KingPosey
07-09-2011, 12:10 AM
Bill Walton: 468 career games. 13/11 career averages

Yao Ming: 486 career games. 19/9 career averages

I think Walton's NBA career is overrated (because he was never healthy), and his injuries should have kept him out too, sometimes winning championships shouldnt equal HOF.

KingPosey
07-09-2011, 12:15 AM
This is the BASKETBALL hall of fame not the NBA hall of fame...

Yao Ming is deserving of a spot in the hall of fame, he helped globalize this game.

I dont think the fact that he helped globalize the game because he coincidentally was Chinese and 7'6" means much honestly. You shouldnt stretch it to mean more than it does.

Hellcrooner
07-09-2011, 12:17 AM
Yao Ming, yes.

Paula Gasol, no.

obviously, i never heard of such a player as Paula gasol, does she play in Wnba?

Is she a sister of Marc and Pau?

Cause god knows that in the BASKETBALL Hall of fame theres a place for the Pau gasol dude.

Mvp of spanish league
Spanish league title
Spanish kings cup
Roy on the nba
4 time ( and counting) allstars
several 2nd and 3rd all nba team selections
Leading a team with NO past, present at the moment, Future Allstars to the playoffs three times in a row and once even to 50 vicotrys against the DEEPEST WEST EVER and probably the DEEPEST Conference ever, IN THE DEEPEST DIVISION WITH SPURS AND MAVS
TWO NBA RINGS and three nba finals in ateam that had been 1st round exits the previous two seasons before his arrival.
For many people shoudl ahve won finals Mvp vs boston.
then
GOLD at young World cup
mvp at young world cup
GOLD AT Worlc CUp
mvp at world cup.
Gold at euro championship
Mvp at euro cahmpionship
Several silvers in other euro championships.
Silver against REDEEM TEAM and only 1 point behind with 3 minutes to go, had that kobe 3p shot not gone in it could ahve been a GOLD.

oh and for the record, in the last 10 years Gasol has not reported to team Spain TWICE.

Know what happend? the Superdeep spain team failed to grab a medal BOTH the times, while we have grabbed a medal ALL the times he has been in the team.

BASKETBALL Hall of Fame.


1st ballot, deal with it.

KingPosey
07-09-2011, 12:20 AM
People who say NO have no idea what they are talking about. This is the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall of Fame.

Yao Ming LITERALLY, and will SINGLE HANDEDLY sustain the life of the NBA to the 21st century by making basketball the #1 sport of a rapidly growing 2BILLION people strong country.

China, the world's fastest developing country by a big freaking mile is basketball crazy now. You can even argue he has immortalized the game. Yao Ming has single handedly put basketball at a brink of becoming the #1 sport in the world in the next 100 years.

You guys calling people stupid for saying "no" and going on and on about him GLOBALIZING the sport are ridiculous. He didnt set out on some noble crusade to globalize the sport. He just happened to be Chinese, and happened to be 7'6", and the NBA is where the money was at.

He isnt Jackie Robinson, a guy that risked his saftey and health to end segregation in baseball lol. Its absurd that you think he set out on some kind of mission for the greater good.

sofa_king_great
07-09-2011, 12:23 AM
how is steve nash 21st on that list.... behind bosh..?

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 12:28 AM
Could you guys please ignore Beasted.... IMO Pau has an even stronger case than Yao and I started this thread. You're being ignorant if you think Pau deserves it less than Yao. That poster is obviously trying to derail the thread I mean his reasoning is as baseless as it gets.

Yao had MVP calibre impact? Yao has never finished top 10 in MVP voting. Pau on the other hand lead the 2 time champions in regular season and post season WS and WS/48. I'm on my phone and winging it so I could be a bit off on this but I'm sure I'm not.

This however is a thread about Yao. Pau's HOF possibility has nothing to do with that.

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 12:34 AM
how is steve nash 21st on that list.... behind bosh..?

That system has many flaws... Just this time a year ago Nash had an over 95% probability. I think they screwed up the formula somehow and have yet to make the change. I can't see any reason as to why Nash would fall so drastically.

John Walls Era
07-09-2011, 12:36 AM
People said yes? I don't think making the NBA a global brand makes you HOF worthy. He was a good player when healthy but not great. He never even led the league in any category, not that that necessarily matters but he really wasn't that special (aside from being a 7'6).

Good when healthy... :laugh: He was great and could've been the best player on many teams. Would've been one of the best 2nd options in his prime.

Career ORT of 111 and DRTG of 99. The guy was efficient and someone you can count on day and and day out during his healthy "prime" days.

KingPosey
07-09-2011, 12:39 AM
And all his FIBA championships were in the Asian Championships......

Hellcrooner
07-09-2011, 12:39 AM
Could you guys please ignore Beasted.... IMO Pau has an even stronger case than Yao and I started this thread. You're being ignorant if you think Pau deserves it less than Yao. That poster is obviously trying to derail the thread I mean his reasoning is as baseless as it gets.

Yao had MVP calibre impact? Yao has never finished top 10 in MVP voting. Pau on the other hand lead the 2 time champions in regular season and post season WS and WS/48. I'm on my phone and winging it so I could be a bit off on this but I'm sure I'm not.

This however is a thread about Yao. Pau's HOF possibility has nothing to do with that.

You should have put only two options in the poll

Yes and Of Course.

People should learn what the hof is before speaking.

Or read the list and see how :

Sergei Belov
Kresimir kosic
Dino Meneghin
Drazen Dalipaglic
Maciel Pereira

ARE in the Hof withouth ever putting a foot in the nba

or how ROLE players Petrovic and sabonis ARE in the hof due to their international careers.

The only reasonable doubt you can have bout the Manus, Gasol, Ming is if they will enter as FIRST BALLOT or later.

Any other thought is being right down ignorant, or Racist, or both.


full list, for those who want to get some knowledge on what Hof REALLY is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_players_in_the_Naismith_Memorial_Basketbal l_Hall_of_Fame

Ggravity2
07-09-2011, 01:27 AM
If Dirk is a Hall of Famer, then so should Ming.

sofa_king_great
07-09-2011, 01:46 AM
That system has many flaws... Just this time a year ago Nash had an over 95% probability. I think they screwed up the formula somehow and have yet to make the change. I can't see any reason as to why Nash would fall so drastically.


lol yeah that would make sense then :D

sofa_king_great
07-09-2011, 01:48 AM
If Dirk is a Hall of Famer, then so should Ming.


Dirk has an MVP
Dirk has a ring
Dirk is a 10x all-star... which he earned for all of them
Dirk made the All NBA team 11 times

you cant compare Dirk to Yao :facepalm:

marvILLous
07-09-2011, 02:00 AM
yesyesyesyes

faridk89
07-09-2011, 02:26 AM
absolutely....right before he went down he was dominating the game....He knocked out Portland and was on his way to knocking out the Lakers in 2009. If it wasn't for injuries, Yao would have become one of greatest big men of all time

WOULD HAVE....yeah if he played his entire career out he WOULD HAVE/COULD HAVE been a HOF, but guess what you don't get put into the HOF on what ifs, so no

Ggravity2
07-09-2011, 02:32 AM
Dirk has an MVP
Dirk has a ring
Dirk is a 10x all-star... which he earned for all of them
Dirk made the All NBA team 11 times

you cant compare Dirk to Yao :facepalm:

I was comparing the fact that they are both Europeans who tranformed the league within their countries- made it more nationally known (it's the Basketball Hall of fame, not NBA. I wasn't arguing that Dirk isn't a hall of famer. And why cant I compare the two??

faridk89
07-09-2011, 02:38 AM
I was comparing the fact that they are both Europeans who tranformed the league within their countries- made it more nationally known (it's the Basketball Hall of fame, not NBA. I wasn't arguing that Dirk isn't a hall of famer. And why cant I compare the two??

because you said if DIRK can make the HOF than so can Yoa.... thats like saying if Kobe can make the HOF so can....(any black nba player)

VCaintdead17
07-09-2011, 03:14 AM
I'd say yes since he was such an icon world wide and a unique player

VCaintdead17
07-09-2011, 03:15 AM
.

Jack of Blades
07-09-2011, 03:19 AM
I was comparing the fact that they are both Europeans who tranformed the league within their countries- made it more nationally known (it's the Basketball Hall of fame, not NBA. I wasn't arguing that Dirk isn't a hall of famer. And why cant I compare the two??

LOL :facepalm:

IndiansFan337
07-09-2011, 03:23 AM
In light of Yao's recent retirement I ask you guys the question. Is Yao Ming worthy of entering the Basketball Hall of Fame?

IMO based solely on NBA career he is not but based on his international career to go along with the fact that he was the 1st international born No. 1 Draft pick, an 8 time All Star, five All-NBA teams, various FIBA accomplishments and taking the games to places it has never been before. Arguably the most influential international "superstar" in NBA history.

His Résumé

8× NBA All-Star (2003–2009, 2011)
2× All-NBA Second Team (2007, 2009)
3× All-NBA Third Team (2004, 2006, 2008)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2003)
2002 FIBA World Championship All-Tournament Team
3× FIBA Asian Championship MVP (2001, 2003, 2005)

Career Basic


Season Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Career NBA 486 476 32.5 7.0 13.3 .524 0.0 0.0 .200 5.1 6.1 .833 2.5 6.7 9.2 1.6 0.4 1.9 2.7 3.3 19.0

Career Totals

Season Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Career NBA 486 476 15818 3380 6445 .524 2 10 .200 2485 2984 .833 1233 3261 4494 769 189 920 1311 1596 9247

Careen Advanced


Season Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
Career NBA 486 15818 23.0 .596 .525 9.3 23.3 16.5 9.6 0.6 4.4 14.5 26.8 112 99 36.7 29.3 65.9 0.200

According to Basketball reference HOF Probability he's 24th among active (well he nor Shaq is no long active) players with a 0.3071 HOF Probability.


Rank Player HoF Prob
1. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
2. Shaq O'Neal 1.0000
3. Tim Duncan 0.9999
4. Kevin Garnett 0.9986
5. LeBron James 0.9925
6. Dwyane Wade 0.9909
7. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9817
8. Paul Pierce 0.9759
9. Jason Kidd 0.9605
10. Ray Allen 0.9466
11. Vince Carter 0.8664
12. Chris Paul 0.7690
13. Tracy McGrady 0.6643
14. A Stoudemire 0.6198
15. Pau Gasol 0.6006
16. C Anthony 0.5988
17. Tony Parker 0.5713
18. Chris Bosh 0.5369
19. Dwight Howard 0.4882
20. Grant Hill 0.4121
21. Steve Nash 0.3936
22. Shawn Marion 0.3285
23. Gilbert Arenas 0.3130
24. Yao Ming 0.3071

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob_active.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/hof_prob.html

That system does have its gaping flaws but can be useful in such a discussion.

I must admit previously I was sceptical but now after reviewing his enitre career, especially off the NBA Court I think he's HOF worthy.

He probably has about a 50% better chance than Gilbert Arenas of making the HOF...

Chronz
07-09-2011, 03:30 AM
Yao makes it on the impact he had on the game outside the court, China will never be the same

smith&wesson
07-09-2011, 04:07 AM
no. he underachieved.

no fault of his own. his body couldnt hold up for him long enough to make the impact his potential suggested he would make.

feel bad for the guy, but thats no reason to induct him the HOF imo.

J-Relo
07-09-2011, 09:29 AM
He hasn't done much in the NBA nor at the national level. The only thing he has done is making basketball actually popular in china.

J-Relo
07-09-2011, 09:30 AM
He probably has about a 50% better chance than Gilbert Arenas of making the HOF...

that list is really flawed.

ne3xchamps
07-09-2011, 10:05 AM
I can't believe people actually think he should go in. IMO no he won't. He hasn't accomplished enough and hasn't had the longevity that alot of hof'ers have had. What a ****ing joke the nba would be if he gets in. Don't get me wrong, yao had a great career, but not HOF worthy, by a long shot.

ne3xchamps
07-09-2011, 10:08 AM
how is steve nash 21st on that list.... behind bosh..?

agreed. that list is a joke. No way bosh should be ahead of nash in ANY discussion.

Sadds The Gr8
07-09-2011, 10:16 AM
Yao makes it on the impact he had on the game outside the court, China will never be the same

do you think that it's warranted that he makes it though?

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 10:23 AM
I can't believe people actually think he should go in. IMO no he won't. He hasn't accomplished enough and hasn't had the longevity that alot of hof'ers have had. What a ****ing joke the nba would be if he gets in. Don't get me wrong, yao had a great career, but not HOF worthy, by a long shot.

You do know that there have been players who have had shorter careers and less underwhelming career #s but are still in the HOF. By your reason the HOF is already a ****ing joke. Hear what bro. Do a little reading on the Hall and analyze some of the players already in there so you can maybe get a better understand of the basis in which others were inducted into the hall.

Brooklyn Mets
07-09-2011, 10:31 AM
NO. But if he does it would take years of ballots.

this

sofa_king_great
07-09-2011, 10:36 AM
LOL :facepalm:

x2 hahahahahaha

king4day
07-09-2011, 10:48 AM
For his basketball career yes. He's done a lot more for the game than guys like Marion or Arenas have.

TheRazorboy
07-09-2011, 11:27 AM
I can't believe people actually think he should go in. IMO no he won't. He hasn't accomplished enough and hasn't had the longevity that alot of hof'ers have had. What a ****ing joke the nba would be if he gets in. Don't get me wrong, yao had a great career, but not HOF worthy, by a long shot.

What don't you get about the hall not being a league honor? Have you ever asked yourself why some of the most prominent members of the Hall of Fame have zero professional resume?

Oh, and the NBA is already a joke.

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 11:46 AM
Yao Ming Hof ? Umm , NO

heyman321
07-09-2011, 11:47 AM
Yes without a doubt. Anyone that says no is an idiot.

He is the first star to come out of China, and that alone should get him in, because of what he did for the NBA in terms of exposure to China. You think Kobe, Lebron, Garnett, Dwight Howard, etc could market themselves and the Adidas/Nike brand to a billion (or probably more, maybe more than half of the population knows who Yao Ming is immediately) without Yao? Chinese basksetball fans know the NBA BECAUSE of Yao Ming.

Also, it's not like he's a bad player. He basically averaged 20/10 for his career and probably would be a top 20 big man of all time if he was healthy. There are a lot lesser players in the HOF to be calling a nomination for Yao "a joke".

Lil Half Dead
07-09-2011, 11:48 AM
They have him behind Gilbert Arenas... It's safe to say that he is not a HOFer. He would have been if his body could have held up. He'll go down as one of the most popular players in NBA history and probably the biggest international superstar ever though.

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 11:54 AM
For his basketball career yes. He's done a lot more for the game than guys like Marion or Arenas have.


Hope you are Joking bout this. Arenas and Marion are no where close to H.O.F themselves. I do think if Yao had been perfectly healthy his career he would have been H.O.F. He would have been top center in NBA after Shaq and next to Howard. But he did not play enough to actually prove he could be a h.o.f. Can't put someone in on potiental or projected numbers alone

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 11:58 AM
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Hope you are Joking bout this. Arenas and Marion are no where close to H.O.F themselves. I do think if Yao had been perfectly healthy his career he would have been H.O.F. He would have been top center in NBA after Shaq and next to Howard. But he did not play enough to actually prove he could be a h.o.f. Can't put someone in on potiental or projected numbers alone

Did you understand his post?

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 11:58 AM
Yes without a doubt. Anyone that says no is an idiot. He is the first star to come out of China, and that alone should get him in, because of what he did for the NBA in terms of exposure to China. You think Kobe, Lebron, Garnett, Dwight Howard, etc could market themselves and the Adidas/Nike brand to a billion (or probably more, maybe more than half of the population knows who Yao Ming is immediately) without Yao? Chinese basksetball fans know the NBA BECAUSE of Yao Ming.

Also, it's not like he's a bad player. He basically averaged 20/10 for his career and probably would be a top 20 big man of all time if he was healthy. There are a lot lesser players in the HOF to be calling a nomination for Yao "a joke".


Zach Randolph belongs in before Yao Ming

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 11:59 AM
Did you understand his post?


No, was he being Sarcastic?

heyman321
07-09-2011, 12:02 PM
You guys calling people stupid for saying "no" and going on and on about him GLOBALIZING the sport are ridiculous. He didnt set out on some noble crusade to globalize the sport. He just happened to be Chinese, and happened to be 7'6", and the NBA is where the money was at.

He isnt Jackie Robinson, a guy that risked his saftey and health to end segregation in baseball lol. Its absurd that you think he set out on some kind of mission for the greater good.

Lmao! Are you even reading what you're writing? He couldn't be more right.

So are you saying Martin Luther King Jr "just happened to be black" and wanted to have equality between whites and black? What happened if there were 5000 white guys (which I'm sure there were) who also wanted equality for blacks but couldn't be taken seriously just because they were white? MLK just "happened to be black" then.

It doesn't matter whether Yao set out to do it or not, the fact is that HE DID IT. Lakerboy is right, basketball will be more popular than soccer in the next 100 years for the simple fact that China has 2 billion people and will become the most powerful country in maybe the next 20-50 years.

heyman321
07-09-2011, 12:05 PM
Zach Randolph belongs in before Yao Ming

Zach Randolph doesn't belong in before Yao Ming. Randolph may have better longevity and similar stats, but he hasn't done anything for the game itself. Yao has single handedly opened up the game to 2 billion+ people. I won't bother arguing if you don't understand the globalization of the game, but I'll just say "yes" that he belongs in the HOF.

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 12:09 PM
With all the "yes" votes in this thread, it's obvious most fans are under 15 yrs old here. And don't know the definition of A Hall of Famer. You don't put someone in just cause he was the 1st chinese NBA player. That is a pathetic argument. He did not play enough to show that he belongs in h.o.f. Maybe if he played more he would haved proved he belongs or maybe he would have sucked balls for many seasons. never know

Hellcrooner
07-09-2011, 12:13 PM
With all the "yes" votes in this thread, it's obvious most fans are under 15 yrs old here. And don't know the definition of A Hall of Famer. You don't put someone in just cause he was the 1st chinese NBA player. That is a pathetic argument. He did not play enough to show that he belongs in h.o.f. Maybe if he played more he would haved proved he belongs or maybe he would have sucked balls for many seasons. never know

im 34, i KNOW who is IN, and why,.


You dont .

Check the list, and be surprised when you find there european players that NEVER put a foot in the Nba like Dalipaglic, Meneghin or Cosic.

Then come back and talk smack.

oh btw RALPH SAMPSON was in the Ballot this year ( he ha sbeen before) check his career and compare it with Mings while you are at it.

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 12:15 PM
Zach Randolph doesn't belong in before Yao Ming. Randolph may have better longevity and similar stats, but he hasn't done anything for the game itself. Yao has single handedly opened up the game to 2 billion+ people. I won't bother arguing if you don't understand the globalization of the game, but I'll just say "yes" that he belongs in the HOF.



I understand that but puting Yao in H.O.F would only cheapen the H.O.F even more than it is. Plus the NBA should have their own H.O.F and not have it be a general h.o.f where great college players can get in that sucked in the NBA.

heyman321
07-09-2011, 12:16 PM
With all the "yes" votes in this thread, it's obvious most fans are under 15 yrs old here. And don't know the definition of A Hall of Famer. You don't put someone in just cause he was the 1st chinese NBA player. That is a pathetic argument. He did not play enough to show that he belongs in h.o.f. Maybe if he played more he would haved proved he belongs or maybe he would have sucked balls for many seasons. never know

I'm 21 and I think YOU'RE the one that might be 15. Your posts just reek of ignorance towards the importance of the international game and influence of international players.

^^ also if you think Yao being in would cheapen the HOF lol, you should check who is in the HOF. Also, I MUST stress, the HOF is not for NBA players dude, it's for basketball in general. If a little 5'3 guy born in Chile could have somehow made basketball better for the world, he should get in.

Ggravity2
07-09-2011, 12:18 PM
Yao has enough allstar selections to make the Hall of Fame (even if some weren't deserved). I think any player with 8+ allstar slections should make the Hall (basically means, they were an allstar for half or slightly more than half of their career- depends on the amount of seasons the player played)

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 12:20 PM
im 34, i KNOW who is IN, and why,.


You dont .

Check the list, and be surprised when you find there european players that NEVER put a foot in the Nba like Dalipaglic, Meneghin or Cosic.Then come back and talk smack.

oh btw RALPH SAMPSON was in the Ballot this year ( he ha sbeen before) check his career and compare it with Mings while you are at it.


And so what bout the euro players that are in? Atleast they actually played on court most the time. I know that its the basketball H.O.F and not the NBA Hall of fame solely. But Yao has not played enough games in any basketball league to make it in.

Hellcrooner
07-09-2011, 12:21 PM
And so what bout the euro players that are in? Atleast they actually played on court most the time. I know that its the basketball H.O.F and not the NBA Hall of fame solely. But Yao has not played enough games in any basketball league to make it in.

he has played more nba games than Dratzen Petrovic, his career was short HE DIED, he is IN.

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 12:24 PM
I'm 21 and I think YOU'RE the one that might be 15. Your posts just reek of ignorance towards the importance of the international game and influence of international players.

^^ also if you think Yao being in would cheapen the HOF lol, you should check who is in the HOF. Also, I MUST stress, the HOF is not for NBA players dude, it's for basketball in general. If a little 5'3 guy born in Chile could have somehow made basketball better for the world, he should get in.

WOW! You think I don't know that it's the basketball Hall of fame and not the NBA's solely.:facepalm: But Yao has not played enough in any basketball league in the world to prove he belongs for his performance on the court.

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 12:28 PM
he has played more nba games than Dratzen Petrovic, his career was short HE DIED, he is IN.


2 joke of a selection dont make a right. But ya know what? Put yao in if ya have to have him in for some reason:facepalm: I have more respect for the NBA Top 50 list of all time anyways

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 12:34 PM
Yao has enough allstar selections to make the Hall of Fame (even if some weren't deserved). I think any player with 8+ allstar slections should make the Hall (basically means, they were an allstar for half or slightly more than half of their career- depends on the amount of seasons the player played)


Comments like this only proves my point that there are pre-teens posting here. Every non blind basketball fan around the world knows that yao's allstar selections were frauds and only a product of the china vote. Hell for the very unreasonable,bias ballot stuffing alone china should be disqualified for having a h.o.f player inducted just as payback for their nonsense over the years

Hellcrooner
07-09-2011, 12:36 PM
Comments like this only proves my point that there are pre-teens posting here. Every non blind basketball fan around the world knows that yao's allstar selections were frauds and only a product of the china vote. Hell for the very unreasonable,bias ballot stuffing alone china should be disqualified for having a h.o.f player inducted just as payback for their nonsense over the years

oh i guess 20 and 10 made with efficiency are no longer worthy of asg.....
but this comment makes clear why you have your bias.

jim51990
07-09-2011, 12:42 PM
Yes he will be in for the impact he had intentionally alone then when you ad how great of a player he was when healthy it's obvious

heyman321
07-09-2011, 12:45 PM
Comments like this only proves my point that there are pre-teens posting here. Every non blind basketball fan around the world knows that yao's allstar selections were frauds and only a product of the china vote. Hell for the very unreasonable,bias ballot stuffing alone china should be disqualified for having a h.o.f player inducted just as payback for their nonsense over the years

Comments like this prove that you're actually 12. It's ironic you mention all-star voting cause you're proving the point of everyone who voted "yes". The fact that Yao got all these all-star votes says that he made people in China care about basketball. Oh yeah, it's also no coincidence that the players like Kobe, Lebron, Howard, Garnett have had 2 million + votes he past few years. Look at ballots from the past, players would have been lucky to get 900,000 votes while only the most popular players in the NBA would have gotten above 1 million votes.

Edit: Oh yeah, guess who carried the Olympic flag for China in 2008? Yao. Guess who was watching? The whole world.

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 12:50 PM
oh i guess 20 and 10 made with efficiency are no longer worthy of asg.....
but this comment makes clear why you have your bias.

That's Zach Randolph numbers. And Zach played more complete seasons. Hell even Marbury avg 20 and 10 most seasons. YAO being in over Zach and Marbury would be a joke. Oh I forgot we must put him in cause he is Chinese Sorry if i'm not buying this flawed logic

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 12:56 PM
Comments like this prove that you're actually 12. It's ironic you mention all-star voting cause you're proving the point of everyone who voted "yes". The fact that Yao got all these all-star votes says that he made people in China care about basketball. Oh yeah, it's also no coincidence that the players like Kobe, Lebron, Howard, Garnett have had 2 million + votes he past few years. Look at ballots from the past, players would have been lucky to get 900,000 votes while only the most popular players in the NBA would have gotten above 1 million votes.

Edit: Oh yeah, guess who carried the Olympic flag for China in 2008? Yao. Guess who was watching? The whole world.


Really? Who the hell cares if chinese people started watching NBA cause of Yao? He did not perform to hall of fame standards on the court. So if a mediocre canadian player played in NBA and made NBA popular in canada does that put said player in hall of fame automatically?

AIRMAR72
07-09-2011, 12:59 PM
N-O no

heyman321
07-09-2011, 01:04 PM
Really? Who the hell cares if chinese people started watching NBA cause of Yao? He did not perform to hall of fame standards on the court. So if a mediocre canadian player played in NBA and made NBA popular in canada does that put said player in hall of fame automatically?

Lol I'm done arguing with you. It's clear you are unworldly and sound slightly racist and have limited knowledge, and at best you're 12. First of all, not only players are in the HOF, which you seem to have been ignoring. But since I'm Canadian, let me give you some numbers. Canada has 30 million people, the majority of which are already watching pro sports like the NHL, NBA, NFL, etc. China has over 2 billion people and have only started watching the NBA recently because of Yao. Solely because of Yao. Because he is CHINESE. And in case you didn't know, people watching the NBA = money. So yes, in short LOTS of people care.

DoJoTheSlasher
07-09-2011, 01:14 PM
I find it funny how just last year, people thought Dirk, a top 20 player of all time, was not a HOF. Now Yao is a HOF? He played like 3 full years..... And he wasn't exactly the best rebounder either. 9.2 rpg for his career as the tallest guy in the league.

sjoerdje
07-09-2011, 01:21 PM
what the hell did he do internationally then? except for injuring himself even more

whats the point of going 1st overall when you aren't even the best player off that class
he sold a lot of jerseys,
and started center because of the chinese fans! yeah i can start as well if i have 1.3 billion people rooting for me, awesome.
ah well at least he rebounded like a 7feet 6 inch dude! oh he didn't 9.2 rebounds a game!
no Hof for him

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 01:23 PM
Lol I'm done arguing with you. It's clear you are unworldly and sound slightly racist and have limited knowledge, and at best you're 12. First of all, not only players are in the HOF, which you seem to have been ignoring. But since I'm Canadian, let me give you some numbers. Canada has 30 million people, the majority of which are already watching pro sports like the NHL, NBA, NFL, etc. China has over 2 billion people and have only started watching the NBA recently because of Yao. Solely because of Yao. Because he is CHINESE. And in case you didn't know, people watching the NBA = money. So yes, in short LOTS of people care.


You are seriously overrating the chinese money market for NBA. Jordan made more money for the NBA in america than yao has. And plus chinese fans watched a little nba before yao came over. NBA does not need chinise fans to be a successful league at all. You make it sound like chinese market save the NBA from collapse or something

Ggravity2
07-09-2011, 01:23 PM
Comments like this only proves my point that there are pre-teens posting here. Every non blind basketball fan around the world knows that yao's allstar selections were frauds and only a product of the china vote. Hell for the very unreasonable,bias ballot stuffing alone china should be disqualified for having a h.o.f player inducted just as payback for their nonsense over the years

No, I think you misread what I meant. The hall of fame voters basically look upon the amount of allstar selections a player has. Im not saying it is the only method by choosing whether players make the Hall but these days, it seems to be the most efficient or likely. And I fully stated that some of his selections were "undeserved". He still deserved most of them

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 01:30 PM
This Looter guys really doesn't get the point. Its the Basketball HOF NOT the NBA HOF not because Yao played such few seasons that would mean that he's not a HOFer. He is also not the first Chinese born player in the NBA. Please understand the HISTORY of the game of basketball and the topic at hand (meaning do some research on Yao Ming) before coming into a thread and spewing your garbage.

I could understand why some would say NO. But your reasoning are beyond ridiculous and extremely contradictory.

PREPBALLFAN
07-09-2011, 01:38 PM
Yao is a HOF LOCK...by saying no, shows blatant ignorance and i am taking notes to see who the retards are....yao doesn't deserve to get in strictly on his on court accomplishments but his off court contributions to the game affected more ppl in this world involving the game of basketball than michael jordan

I agree 100% there has never been a player in the NBA who has affected more people in the history of the game than Yao. He has been an ambassator for the league and and brought millions and millions of fans, money, and contracts to this league. He was an elite player when healthy.

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 01:48 PM
This Looter guys really doesn't get the point. Its the Basketball HOF NOT the NBA HOF not because Yao played such few seasons that would mean that he's not a HOFer. He is also not the first Chinese born player in the NBA. Please understand the HISTORY of the game of basketball and the topic at hand (meaning do some research on Yao Ming) before coming into a thread and spewing your garbage.

I could understand why some would say NO. But your reasoning are beyond ridiculous and extremely contradictory.


Oh and ya reason for saying yes he belongs in is totally Bizzare. Besides yao attracting chinese fans to the NBA what has he done on the court that merits h.o.f status:confused: And big deal if nba has more chinese fans now. It's not like chinese fans saved the league from dying or something dramatic like that.

FriedTofuz
07-09-2011, 02:05 PM
Greatest chinese basketball player to ever play the game.

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 02:05 PM
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Oh and ya reason for saying yes he belongs in is totally Bizzare. Besides yao attracting chinese fans to the NBA what has he done on the court that merits h.o.f status:confused: And big deal if nba has more chinise fans now. It's not like chinese fans saved the league from dying or something dramatic like that.

You completely ignore the first part of my post right?

And some Chinese fans? Do you know what country sold the most NBA jerseys last season outside of the US? Matter of a fact sold more jerseys than all other countries combined? Some? That's the most populated country in the world.

Yao is also a 3 time FIBA Gold Medalist, leading his Chinese team to every single gold medal. As I stated IMO opening post he is top 25 all time in career PER, WS/48 and TS%.

George Yardley, Arvydas Sabonis, Bill Walton, Bob Davies, George Mikan, Jim Pollard, Red Holzman, Drazen Petrovic, Bob Houbregs, Al Cervi, Maurice Stokes, Alfred McGuire, Buddy Jeannette and John Thompson have ALL played less games than Yao Ming in the respective NBA careers and only George Mikan (The Original G.O.A.T.) and Bill Walton has had better NBA careers than him.

Guess what ALL those players are in the HOF. So before you come you with baseless comments about Yao hasn't done enough and hasn't played enough games, learn your history before ever posting again.

Yao Ming has done more for the game of basketball from the same standpoint that you stupidly say
Reggie > Duncan in terms of NBA impact on Brand than any other international player in the history of the NBA.

Name for me one international player that has had a bigger impact on the brand than Yao?

I know you are going to ignore this entire post and just answer the final question however because you don't have a case based on your baseless reasons.

Oh and I am 21.

heyman321
07-09-2011, 02:20 PM
You completely ignore the first part of my post right?

And some Chinese fans? Do you know what country sold the most NBA jerseys last season outside of the US? Matter of a fact sold more jerseys than all other countries combined? Some? That's the most populated country in the world.

Yao is also a 3 time FIBA Gold Medalist, leading his Chinese team to every single gold medal. As I stated IMO opening post he is top 25 all time in career PER, WS/48 and TS%.

George Yardley, Arvydas Sabonis, Bill Walton, Bob Davies, George Mikan, Jim Pollard, Red Holzman, Drazen Petrovic, Bob Houbregs, Al Cervi, Maurice Stokes, Alfred McGuire, Buddy Jeannette and John Thompson have ALL played less games than Yao Ming in the respective NBA careers and only George Mikan (The Original G.O.A.T.) and Bill Walton has had better NBA careers than him.

Guess what ALL those players are in the HOF. So before you come you with baseless comments about Yao hasn't done enough and hasn't played enough games, learn your history before ever posting again.

Yao Ming has done more for the game of basketball from the same standpoint that you stupidly say than any other international player in the history of the NBA.



Omg Zach Randolph should be in the Hall of Fame before Yao ever does!!!! yao doesn't deserve to be in the HOF because he is Chinese. Who cares?!? Lol the Nba was fine before yao ever came like seriously. Who cares that he averaged 20/10 he didn't play many games omg you think I don't know?!??

//// End sarcasm.

JasonJohnHorn
07-09-2011, 02:20 PM
I he was the 1st international born No. 1 Draft pick.

No true. Hakeem, Duncan and The Candy Man were all born outside the US and were all Number one picks before Yao.


As for the choice before us, I think it is clear that Yao is a first ballot HOFer. Though his career was above average at best, and he was never, in my eyes, even the best player at his position for a single season, there is something to be said of his career as on the whole. People use terms like 'single handedly' too often, especially in team sports, but if any player ever did anything single handedly in basketball, it was Yao getting the Chinese team a spot at the Olypmics. That team has NEVER been able to compete internationally, and with Yao, while they still had not shot to win it all, they were at least in the tournament. I cannot think of a single player that carried that did much for any international team.

I was never a Yao fan, didnt like his game, thought he was soft, ect, ect, but he still had a huge impact on the game and it popularity internationally, so much so that his chinese fans nearly voted an undeserving McGrady onto an all-star team for simply wearing the same jersey as him. And considering other international players, with far less personal success in the NBA and internationally have made it (Drazen for example), I think Yao is a first ballot lock.

That said, I also believe he will come back. It may be a year or two, and it may be only as a reserve for a season or two, but he still has some game left in him. True competitors don't give up that easy. Maybe the injury is worse than I think, but guys like Grant Hill and Bernard King have come back from injuries that were just as bad if not worse to contribute on the floor.

Lets hope Yao can do that. If not, he is one of the few classy guys to retire in the same jersey that he played in for his entire career.

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 02:25 PM
No true. Hakeem, Duncan and The Candy Man were all born outside the US and were all Number one picks before Yao.

My bad. I can't believe I forgot that. Serious brain fart on my part.

JasonJohnHorn
07-09-2011, 02:35 PM
My bad. I can't believe I forgot that. Serious brain fart on my part.

Not a problem. You are not the first to make that mistake. The Sports section in my local paper did the same thing. I wrote the report via e-mail and told him, then he was all like; well, I meant internationally developed player. That is true. Everybody else that has gone number one before Yao was essentially a domestic basketball player, even if they were born elsewhere.

Great thread btw

Cheers!

PS: The Candy man shouldnt even count! lol

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 02:36 PM
Greatest chinese basketball player to ever play the game.


Oh WOW! cause the NBA had so many great chinese players over the years. Yao stands on top of the so many great chinese players:facepalm: LOL this threads gets more and more silly as posts continue.

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 02:37 PM
Just to compound what I said about Yao off the Court:

December 2010:


Almost certainly, Yao Ming has introduced more people to professional basketball, surely the NBA brand, than any one man in the history of the sport. While it's difficult to get exact ratings of the 39 NBA games broadcast in a season in China on CCTV (China Central television), the best available evidence is that approximately 200 million have frequently watched when the Rockets play, which is about one-third of the time. That's 195 million more than watch an NBA playoff game, on average. It's nearly two Super Bowls worth of eyeballs on any game. Or as former Rockets guard Sam Cassell said, "Let's just say for the sake of arguing, its 50 million people. That means Yao attracts a major market all by himself. Actually, that's five major markets. And we all know it's a lot more people than that. It's hundreds of millions watching games for the whole time he's been in the league."

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=5939160&wjb

August 2010:


NBA merchandise is available in 30,000 stores in China and retail sales grew by 100% in the past year, according to the league. Helping that along has been Yao Ming's presence in the NBA.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketba ... owth_N.htm

May 2009:


Now 89 percent of Chinese people aged 15 to 54 are aware of the NBA, according to findings in a 2008 survey conducted by leading global market researcher TNS.

China is the NBA's largest international market and has grown at an annual pace of 30 to 40 percent in recent years.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2 ... 786782.htm

Of course this is just a small sample size of the impact in which Yao has had on the league size he's joined.

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 02:38 PM
Oh WOW! cause the NBA had so many great chinese players over the years. Yao stands on top of the so many great chinese players:facepalm: LOL this threads gets more and more silly as posts continue.

Thanks to your rubbish posting.

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 02:38 PM
washcuff;18504637]My bad. I can't believe I forgot that. Serious brain fart on my part.[/B]


Proves you don't have a clue bout much. Stop pretending to know facts when ya don't.

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 02:42 PM
Not a problem. You are not the first to make that mistake. The Sports section in my local paper did the same thing. I wrote the report via e-mail and told him, then he was all like; well, I meant internationally developed player. That is true. Everybody else that has gone number one before Yao was essentially a domestic basketball player, even if they were born elsewhere.

Great thread btw

Cheers!

PS: The Candy man shouldnt even count! lol

Thanks bro. For the correction and the compliment. :D

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 02:43 PM
And Big deal, he made Chinese people watch the NBA. Too bad he hardly played in the damn league for the chinese fans to see him. He was not tough enough and pretty clumsy on the floor. No way he is a hall of famer. But hey like I said if yall want to campaign to put a average player in the hall who barely played in then go ahead. I respect the top 50 NBA alltime list a lot more anyways. And he will never in a million years come close to the real legends list/

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 02:44 PM
Proves you don't have a clue bout much. Stop pretending to know facts when ya don't.

Really?

The you give me some facts? And wait why did you ignore post #124 of this thread?

Why don't you be quiet and leave or stop trolling because you haven't brought one piece of value to this thread.

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 02:46 PM
And Big deal, he made Chinese people watch the NBA. Too bad he hardly played in the damn league. He was not tough enough and pretty clumsy on the floor. No way he is a hall of famer. But hey like I said if yall want to campaign to put a average player in who barely played in than go ahead. I respect the top 50 NBA alltime list a lot more anyways. And he will never in a million years come close to the real legends list/

Top 25 in career PER, TS% and WS/48. A lot of those legends can't boast of that. But let me guess, you don't value stats either. :rolleyes:

You have no understanding of the history of basketball.

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 02:55 PM
Top 25 in career PER, TS% and WS/48. A lot of those legends can't boast of that. But let me guess, you don't value stats either. :rolleyes:

You have no understanding of the history of basketball.

Bahaha!!! lmao. Your guy Yao has only played like 4 real full seasons. You can't compare numbers with guys that played way more full seasons than that.:facepalm: How do you know he would have continued to have good numbers for sure if he was not injured? maybe he would have started sucking after awhile. Remember that japanese pitcher hideo Nomo in baseball. He was great 1st 2 seasons and then just started to suck balls. If Nomo would have died in a car crash after his 1st season fans would have been trying to put him in hall of fame too. You can't project numbers and make them reality.

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 03:05 PM
Bahaha!!! lmao. Your guy Yao has only played like 4 real full seasons. You can't compare numbers with guys that played way more full seasons than that.:facepalm: How do you know he would have continued to have good numbers for sure if he was not injured? maybe he would have started sucking after awhile. Remember that japanese pitcher hideo Nomo in baseball. He was great 1st 2 seasons and then just started to suck balls. If Nomo would have died in a car crash after his 1st season fans would have been trying to put him in hall of fame too. You can't project numbers and make them reality.


Rk Player From To Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 3P% FT% TS% WS/48 PER WS
1 G. Mikan* 1949 1956 MNL TOT 439 8350 3544 8783 3068 3924 4167 1245 1862 10156 .404 .782 .483 0.249 26.9 108.7
2 Chris Paul 2006 2011 TOT NBA 425 425 15761 2793 5929 379 1055 1971 2310 304 1647 1951 4228 1010 36 1065 1083 7936 .471 .359 .853 .571 0.233 25.2 76.4
3 Yao Ming 2003 2011 HOU NBA 486 476 15818 3380 6445 2 10 2485 2984 1233 3261 4494 769 189 920 1311 1596 9247 .524 .200 .833 .596 0.200 23.0 65.9
4 G. Yardley* 1954 1960 TOT NBA 472 15767 3193 7572 2677 3434 4220 815 1426 9063 .422 .780 .499 0.178 20.5 58.5
5 Bob Davies* 1949 1955 ROC TOT 462 8617 2292 6067 2010 2647 980 2250 1566 6594 .378 .759 .456 0.148 17.9 49.7
6 C. Hawkins* 1970 1976 TOT NBA 499 17234 3013 6453 2207 2811 332 876 3971 2052 244 150 1459 8233 .467 .785 .535 0.132 17.2 47.5
7 A. Sabonis* 1996 2003 POR NBA 470 314 11375 2082 4160 136 415 1329 1690 734 2702 3436 964 370 494 837 1290 5629 .500 .328 .786 .574 0.200 21.2 47.3

* and Bold denotes HOFers who have all played less than 500 games and are among the Elite Players all time in terms of WS and WS/48.

All 5 retired players are HOFers and Yao has had a better career than 4 of them.

Do you need more FACTS?

Or are you going to disregard these facts as well?

Chronz
07-09-2011, 03:07 PM
do you think that it's warranted that he makes it though?

Why not? Its a joke anyways

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 03:12 PM
Rk Player From To Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 3P% FT% TS% WS/48 PER WS
1 G. Mikan* 1949 1956 MNL TOT 439 8350 3544 8783 3068 3924 4167 1245 1862 10156 .404 .782 .483 0.249 26.9 108.7
2 Chris Paul 2006 2011 TOT NBA 425 425 15761 2793 5929 379 1055 1971 2310 304 1647 1951 4228 1010 36 1065 1083 7936 .471 .359 .853 .571 0.233 25.2 76.4
3 Yao Ming 2003 2011 HOU NBA 486 476 15818 3380 6445 2 10 2485 2984 1233 3261 4494 769 189 920 1311 1596 9247 .524 .200 .833 .596 0.200 23.0 65.9
4 G. Yardley* 1954 1960 TOT NBA 472 15767 3193 7572 2677 3434 4220 815 1426 9063 .422 .780 .499 0.178 20.5 58.5
5 Bob Davies* 1949 1955 ROC TOT 462 8617 2292 6067 2010 2647 980 2250 1566 6594 .378 .759 .456 0.148 17.9 49.7
6 C. Hawkins* 1970 1976 TOT NBA 499 17234 3013 6453 2207 2811 332 876 3971 2052 244 150 1459 8233 .467 .785 .535 0.132 17.2 47.5
7 A. Sabonis* 1996 2003 POR NBA 470 314 11375 2082 4160 136 415 1329 1690 734 2702 3436 964 370 494 837 1290 5629 .500 .328 .786 .574 0.200 21.2 47.3

* and Bold denotes HOFers who have all played less than 500 games and are among the Elite Players all time in terms of WS and WS/48.

All 5 retired players are HOFers and Yao has had a better career than 4 of them.

Do you need more FACTS?

Or are you going to disregard these facts as well?

LMAO! You fail once again:facepalm: Those players had great college careers also. Its the basketball hall of fame and not just the NBA HALL.:facepalm: Yao has nothing else but his nba reume to be considred for hall of fame. And it's very thin at best. I owned you yet again

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 03:17 PM
LMAO! You fail once again:facepalm: Those players had great college careers also. Its the basketball hall of fame and not just the NBA HALL.:facepalm: Yao has nothing else but his nba reume to be considred for hall of fame. And it's very thin at best. I owned you yet again

Oh yes I completely forgot Arvydas Sabonis had a great college career at the University of USSR. Thank you for reminding me.

You owned me?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

What ever bubble you are living in you need to get out and get a brain.

heyman321
07-09-2011, 03:19 PM
Oh yes I completely forgot Arvydas Sabonis had a great college career at the University of USSR. Thank you for reminding me.

You owned me?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

What ever bubble you are living in you need to get out and get a brain.

There's no use in trying to rebute with facts, he thinks they are the creation of the devil.

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 03:23 PM
There's no use in trying to rebute with facts, he thinks they are the creation of the devil.

The fact that to him Sabonis had a great collegiate career is all we need to know about what's in his brain, or rather what's not in it.

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 03:31 PM
The fact that to him Sabonis had a great collegiate career is all we need to know about what's in his brain, or rather what's not in it.


umm I don't think, as well as many others don't think that Sabonis should be in hall of fame either. More that I think about it go ahead and put yao in cause the hall don't mean much anyways. Like I said The NBA 50 greatest players list is far more legit and important than that joke of the basketball hall of fame,

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 03:37 PM
Oh yes I completely forgot Arvydas Sabonis had a great college career at the University of USSR. Thank you for reminding me.

You owned me?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

What ever bubble you are living in you need to get out and get a brain.

Lmao you pick 1 player from ya list that has not played college ball and you think that's a victory for you? :facepalm: wow you have low expectations in your debating skills. Come on your better than this, or maybe not. By the Sabonis should not be in the ****ing hall of fame either. So whats your point?

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 03:59 PM
Lmao you pick 1 player from ya list that has not played college ball and you think that's a victory for you? :facepalm: wow you have low expectations in your debating skills. Come on your better than this, or maybe not. By the Sabonis should not be in the ****ing hall of fame either. So whats your point?

My point is he's in. No one gives a **** about what you think Sabonis is in and that's a FACT.

Tell me something. You said all those players have such great colligiate careers you also say I have poor debating skills well explain your point. What was so great about Mikan's, Yardley's, Davies' and Hawkins' collegiate career. Since you are so much better than me at debating and have such a better understand of the game of basketball.

Swashcuff
07-09-2011, 04:03 PM
umm I don't think, as well as many others don't think that Sabonis should be in hall of fame either. More that I think about it go ahead and put yao in cause the hall don't mean much anyways. Like I said The NBA 50 greatest players list is far more legit and important than that joke of the basketball hall of fame,

O really?

So is Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, KG, Dirk etc etc not among the 50 Greatest of All Time?

If you don't put value in the HOF then why the HELL even post in the thread? Other than just to bait and obviously troll.

SanPitte
07-09-2011, 07:21 PM
You should have put only two options in the poll

Yes and Of Course.

People should learn what the hof is before speaking.

Or read the list and see how :

Sergei Belov
Kresimir kosic
Dino Meneghin
Drazen Dalipaglic
Maciel Pereira

ARE in the Hof withouth ever putting a foot in the nba

or how ROLE players Petrovic and sabonis ARE in the hof due to their international careers.

The only reasonable doubt you can have bout the Manus, Gasol, Ming is if they will enter as FIRST BALLOT or later.

Any other thought is being right down ignorant, or Racist, or both.


full list, for those who want to get some knowledge on what Hof REALLY is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_players_in_the_Naismith_Memorial_Basketbal l_Hall_of_Fame
those players were great in the country they played in, that's why they were inducted to the HOF by the FIBA... Yao played 3-4 good seasons in a crappy chinese league, and played good 4-5 seasons in the nba, both aren't enough to be a HOFer,sorry
also he won his FIBA trophies in Asia, probably the crappiest continental championship (except if Antarctica has one), that's not good enough either
+ he never went anywhere with a talented rockets team, and never left China past the "round of 16" in an international tournament, not good enough

the only reason he might be considered a HOFer is because he made the league make billions with the chinese market, by being, well, chinese and 7'6
like I said, too bad rik smits, detlef schrempf or even rony seikaly were from smaller countries, or else they would've been HOFer...
and also, career wise (both in the nba and internationally), if Yao is HOFer, Pau Gasol, Tony Parker and Dirk Nowitzki should be inducted wayyyyyy before him

SanPitte
07-09-2011, 07:34 PM
Sabonis had a way better career than Yao Ming, he was a legend in Europe and a far away myth from the cold USSR in the US, and beat the US Olympic team in 1988 (up against David Robinson by the way) to win the gold.
Yao was a good player, don't get me wrong, but his chinese team had troubles beating New Zealand and the Rockets never got past the 2nd round of the playoffs.

theheatles
07-09-2011, 07:35 PM
it's a segment from an espn insider article that hollinger wrote...

The Hall of Fame beckons. Evaluated strictly on his playing career, Yao's credentials are shaky -- yes, he was named to eight All-Star teams, thanks to an enthusiastic fan vote, and he did make a second- or third-team All-NBA squad five times. But he never made first-team All-NBA, never played in the Finals, never had a top-10 MVP finish and only played 468 career games -- a little less than six full seasons.

Springfield, however, has never been a fact-driven process. The two key elements in Yao's favor are that 1) he essentially ushered in the game of basketball to a billion Chinese, providing a pillar around which fans in that country could build a broader understanding of the game, and 2) he's an international player.

The latter point is important, because the Basketball Hall of Fame has set an almost comically low bar for inducting international players in past votes, and based on those standards Yao will waltz in. Put another way, I don't think it's possible to have a system in which Maciel Pereira and Kresimir Cosic pass muster but Yao Ming doesn't.

While the Hall's voting history with internationals will create serious, awkward problems for Springfield when the current generation of NBA-experienced Europeans retires, Yao will be among the first of the bunch up for induction and has one of the best resumes of the bunch. Combined with his fame and his impact on the game in the world's largest country, he's in.

theheatles
07-09-2011, 07:37 PM
those players were great in the country they played in, that's why they were inducted to the HOF by the FIBA... Yao played 3-4 good seasons in a crappy chinese league, and played good 4-5 seasons in the nba, both aren't enough to be a HOFer,sorry
also he won his FIBA trophies in Asia, probably the crappiest continental championship (except if Antarctica has one), that's not good enough either
+ he never went anywhere with a talented rockets team, and never left China past the "round of 16" in an international tournament, not good enough

the only reason he might be considered a HOFer is because he made the league make billions with the chinese market, by being, well, chinese and 7'6
like I said, too bad rik smits, detlef schrempf or even rony seikaly were from smaller countries, or else they would've been HOFer...
and also, career wise (both in the nba and internationally), if Yao is HOFer, Pau Gasol, Tony Parker and Dirk Nowitzki should be inducted wayyyyyy before him

yes those players will be hall of famers as well but that doesn't mean they are going to get in 1st especially since yao is retiring now making him eligible earlier and yao will probably be a 1st ballot HOFer

Sly Guy
07-09-2011, 08:48 PM
Not even close. I like Yao and am sad of his early departure, but he hasn't contributed enough to the league to be worthy of HOF.

pretty much this. His resume isn't strong enough considering the All Star nods are mostly due to his Chinese fans. He was a good player, when healthy, but he's never really been healthy.

CowboysKB24
07-09-2011, 09:05 PM
No

jp611
07-09-2011, 09:08 PM
On 2nd thought, I think he will get inducted, because it's not the NBA HOF it's the Basketball HOF... he has been huge for basketball in China and I think he will get inducted eventually

tkshy
07-09-2011, 09:19 PM
No. Not enough body of work. Too bad, HOF talent. All-star selection shouldn't count, unless it was selected by coaches, and players, shoot I would give more credit to the media voting, vs. the fans.

Bill Walton comparison was made in terms of games played and avg. but the one thing the poster forgot to mention was Championships.

downsos
07-09-2011, 09:23 PM
For contributions to basketball, I say yes. He skyrocketed the popularity of basketball in China and will forever be remembered not only as a great center but for being a spokesperson internationally.

This.

TO Rapz
07-09-2011, 09:25 PM
hell no..

John Walls Era
07-09-2011, 09:46 PM
People that a say no have no idea what he did for the game.

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 09:46 PM
Damn this thread. YAO is a joke of a hall of fame candidate. This is why the Basketball Hall of fame is the worst out of all the sports. The NBA needs its own seperate hall of fame. THE NBA 50 Greatest list is more prestigous than the basketball Hall of fame. And Yao won't ever come close to that list. EVER!!!!!!

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 09:49 PM
People that a say no have no idea what he did for the game.


All he did was be Tall and Chinese. Nothing more. Hell at this Rate might as well throw the and 1 streetball crew in the hall of fame also. They made inner city basketball a popular show on espn.:facepalm:

John Walls Era
07-09-2011, 09:57 PM
All he did was be Tall and Chinese. Nothing more. Hell at this Rate might as well throw the and 1 streetball crew in the hall of fame also. They made inner city basketball a popular show on espn.:facepalm:

Good argument. No wonder the nba forum has become a joke.

Muttman73
07-09-2011, 10:15 PM
In a word, NO...

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 10:17 PM
Good argument. No wonder the nba forum has become a joke.


Umm.. You added nothing to this debate but a general comment that's been used thousands of time here. Nothing original? Oh I should not expect something creative from a person who believes Yao is a Hall of Famer. Just because fans from another country started watching NBA cause a clumsy mediocre player came from there does not make him a hall of famer. :facepalm:

John Walls Era
07-09-2011, 10:30 PM
:laugh: A 20PPG and 9RPG guy was mediocre.

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 10:45 PM
:laugh: A 20PPG and 9RPG guy was mediocre.


But that was only for bout only 4 real seasons. Those are Zach Randolph numbers. And Zach did it much longer. So Zach belongs in too ahead of YAO right? :confused: Hell even Marbury avg 20 points and 10 assist. HE and Zach belong ahead of YAO...

TO Rapz
07-09-2011, 10:45 PM
People that a say no have no idea what he did for the game.


:laugh: A 20PPG and 9RPG guy was mediocre.

Your kidding right? He put up 20 and 9 in not enough games for me to get in. I look at what he did on the court, not off the court.

So the next guy from India or Pakistan or Bangladesh or another Asian country who develops a 20 and 9 player for 486 games or so gets in to the Hall because he's the first one to be pretty good from there?

No, I dont care if he's Chinese, or that he brought so much revenue, all that stuff is great for the NBA to get more attention, and for the Rockets to get more global attention as well, but getting into the Hall should be something very prestigious and Yao just didn't do enough for me to get in.

John Walls Era
07-09-2011, 10:49 PM
Your kidding right? He put up 20 and 9 in not enough games for me to get in. I look at what he did on the court, not off the court.

So the next guy from India or Pakistan or Bangladesh or another Asian country who develops a 20 and 9 player for 486 games or so gets in to the Hall because he's the first one to be pretty good from there?

No, I dont care if he's Chinese, or that he brought so much revenue, all that stuff is great for the NBA to get more attention, and for the Rockets to get more global attention as well, but getting into the Hall should be something very prestigious and Yao just didn't do enough for me to get in.

THeres already been about a million posts about players who've done less in the NBA and still ended up making it.

LOOTERX9
07-09-2011, 10:58 PM
THeres already been about a million posts about players who've done less in the NBA and still ended up making it.


Then we should both agree that the Basketball Hall of Fame is a embarassment to sports right? Cause if players that have did less than YAO are in then the hall is totally useless right? Cause we know Yao has done nothing great at all. You agree right?

Arch Stanton
07-09-2011, 11:13 PM
My eight ball says yes but my eight ball also has herpes.

sb123
07-09-2011, 11:20 PM
No, this is silly.

TO Rapz
07-09-2011, 11:25 PM
THeres already been about a million posts about players who've done less in the NBA and still ended up making it.

Idc.

JasonJohnHorn
07-10-2011, 10:47 AM
Seriously! The guy is a lock. We can all argue back and forth all day about his stats, and I think everybody in this forum will agree that Yao is NOT going to make it in for his personal stats in the NBA, but rather because he pretty much introduced basketball to two BILLION people. Because he took a team that had no hopes of even winning a game in international play and got them a spot in the olympics. You take Michael Jordan off the dream team, they still win every game by twenty points. You take Yao off of the Chinese Olympic team, and they dont even HAVE an olympic team, they have a team that gets destroyed in every game by thirty+ points and don't even make the cut for an olympic game.

The HOF has guys like Sabonis and Petrovic and highschool coaches who were never even considered good enough to coach at the college level, let alone the NBA level. They have officials that never even officiated in the NCAA let alone the NBA. They have players who haven't even stepped foot on the NBA hardwood.

The bottom line, and I think we can all agree, is that Yao will make it in, and NOT based on his NBA stats, because those wouldnt get anybody in unless that person was on multiple championship teams, but rather because of influence he had on the game in China and around the world. He did a lot FOR this league, even if he didn't to a lont IN the league, and he worked miracles for the Chinese national team.

Will Yao get in: YES!
Will it be because of his stats: NO!

I think we can all agree on that. Whether we think he deserves it or not, he will get in, perhaps for the wrong reasons, depending on your point of view, but he will get in.

Shareeb_omac2
07-10-2011, 11:22 AM
I don't see how most people think Vince Carter shouldn't make the hall of fame but somehow Yao Ming does?

dodie53
07-10-2011, 11:25 AM
nope

Gambeezy
07-10-2011, 11:43 AM
Yes, but it will take a while....

Gambeezy
07-10-2011, 11:47 AM
Seriously! The guy is a lock. We can all argue back and forth all day about his stats, and I think everybody in this forum will agree that Yao is NOT going to make it in for his personal stats in the NBA, but rather because he pretty much introduced basketball to two BILLION people. Because he took a team that had no hopes of even winning a game in international play and got them a spot in the olympics. You take Michael Jordan off the dream team, they still win every game by twenty points. You take Yao off of the Chinese Olympic team, and they dont even HAVE an olympic team, they have a team that gets destroyed in every game by thirty+ points and don't even make the cut for an olympic game.

The HOF has guys like Sabonis and Petrovic and highschool coaches who were never even considered good enough to coach at the college level, let alone the NBA level. They have officials that never even officiated in the NCAA let alone the NBA. They have players who haven't even stepped foot on the NBA hardwood.

The bottom line, and I think we can all agree, is that Yao will make it in, and NOT based on his NBA stats, because those wouldnt get anybody in unless that person was on multiple championship teams, but rather because of influence he had on the game in China and around the world. He did a lot FOR this league, even if he didn't to a lont IN the league, and he worked miracles for the Chinese national team.

Will Yao get in: YES!
Will it be because of his stats: NO!

I think we can all agree on that. Whether we think he deserves it or not, he will get in, perhaps for the wrong reasons, depending on your point of view, but he will get in.

Finally, some perspective and logic

jrm2054
07-10-2011, 11:50 AM
Ye sbut not bc of what he did as a player it will be for his work off the court for the NBA

drobe86
07-10-2011, 01:28 PM
Hell no... We're talking about a guy who had 4 out of 8 great seasons. His body of work simply isn't extensive enough. And he won 1 playoff series. If Yao gets in its a joke.... I give him major credit for helping GLOBALIZE this great game of basketball that we all love. But he was never extraordinary out on the floor.

Lim
07-11-2011, 02:31 AM
k lol hell EASILY make it. 120 ppl on here will be pretty surprised when he does

LA_Raiders
07-11-2011, 03:10 AM
No, thanks to all the injuries. His carrer ended too soon of a HOF...

AIRMAR72
07-11-2011, 05:58 AM
so manute bol (rip) kevin duckworth (rip) and sam bowie ,ralph sampson are HOF? look yao ming was ok the man was super SLOW couldnt jump lack NBA stamina and lack true strength for the center position he has a nice soft face up jump shot but yao ming is no HOF if that was the case than luc longly, will predue, kwame brown ,eddie curry, eric dampier ,theo ratliff are HOF

John Walls Era
07-11-2011, 06:19 AM
so manute bol (rip) kevin duckworth (rip) and sam bowie ,ralph sampson are HOF? look yao ming was ok the man was super SLOW couldnt jump lack NBA stamina and lack true strength for the center position he has a nice soft face up jump shot but yao ming is no HOF if that was the case than luc longly, will predue, kwame brown ,eddie curry, eric dampier ,theo ratliff are HOF

:laugh:

Knickrocketsfan
07-11-2011, 06:26 AM
so manute bol (rip) kevin duckworth (rip) and sam bowie ,ralph sampson are HOF? look yao ming was ok the man was super SLOW couldnt jump lack NBA stamina and lack true strength for the center position he has a nice soft face up jump shot but yao ming is no HOF if that was the case than luc longly, will predue, kwame brown ,eddie curry, eric dampier ,theo ratliff are HOF

:facepalm::facepalm: this might be one of the worst post i have ever seen.

Hellcrooner
07-11-2011, 09:52 AM
so manute bol (rip) kevin duckworth (rip) and sam bowie ,ralph sampson are HOF? look yao ming was ok the man was super SLOW couldnt jump lack NBA stamina and lack true strength for the center position he has a nice soft face up jump shot but yao ming is no HOF if that was the case than luc longly, will predue, kwame brown ,eddie curry, eric dampier ,theo ratliff are HOF


http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=205100790 :rolleyes:

soon.

ne3xchamps
07-11-2011, 10:05 AM
so manute bol (rip) kevin duckworth (rip) and sam bowie ,ralph sampson are HOF? look yao ming was ok the man was super SLOW couldnt jump lack NBA stamina and lack true strength for the center position he has a nice soft face up jump shot but yao ming is no HOF if that was the case than luc longly, will predue, kwame brown ,eddie curry, eric dampier ,theo ratliff are HOF

:laugh: epic.

TragicallyHip
07-11-2011, 10:24 AM
Is this a serious question?

If so then HELL NO!

KingPosey
07-11-2011, 12:23 PM
Lmao! Are you even reading what you're writing? He couldn't be more right.

So are you saying Martin Luther King Jr "just happened to be black" and wanted to have equality between whites and black? What happened if there were 5000 white guys (which I'm sure there were) who also wanted equality for blacks but couldn't be taken seriously just because they were white? MLK just "happened to be black" then.

It doesn't matter whether Yao set out to do it or not, the fact is that HE DID IT. Lakerboy is right, basketball will be more popular than soccer in the next 100 years for the simple fact that China has 2 billion people and will become the most powerful country in maybe the next 20-50 years.

Dont compare what MLK did to what a basketball player did, that is stupid on sooo many levels.

One was born in a time of extreme oppression, fought for civil rights, and eventually lost his life for it. The other happened to be born in a country, grew to be 7'6", and signed a huge contract and had massive endorsement deals, nothing more.

Thats really stupid to compare the 2 in any light.

black1605
07-11-2011, 12:55 PM
Absolutely.

Swashcuff
07-11-2011, 01:01 PM
http://www.tout.com/u/shaq#

^ Shaq calling Yao one of the greatest players ever.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30896/yao-ming-means-a-lot


"What's the point of watching NBA now?" asked an online user called Lubingxia on Sina Weibo, a Chinese Twitter-like site.

An online poll on Weibo by Monday lunchtime showed that 57 percent of respondents would stop watching the NBA after Yao's retirement.


"Yao Ming is like an ambassador. With a basketball player's height, a comedian's humor, post-80s generation's freshness ... one does not know how many foreigners' impressions of the Chinese he has changed,"

Crackadalic
07-11-2011, 01:02 PM
Yes this is the basketball hall of fame. Its what you bring to basketball itself. Its not just about stats its about accomplishments. Inside the nba and outside the nba. Its also not just basketball players. Tons of non-basketball players are in the hall of fame

His impact in the nba and his impact globally should warrant him in the HOF.

daleja424
07-11-2011, 01:25 PM
Probably will end up in the HoF... But not for anything actually related to basketball on the court.

hard_candy
07-11-2011, 11:47 PM
He's a lock for the hall of fame. This is a basketball hof, not an nba hof.

As far as Vince not having a strong case, there have been countless great 2's/3's, and many of them have actually been willing to play in the playoffs when their teams needed them.

OTOH, you can't name many 7 footers with Yao's offensive ability, agility and creativity. In his prime, Yao was just as dangerous as Hakeem or Patrick as a scorer.

Furthermore, Yao was always willing to play in the playoffs or in international play despite numerous injuries.

Yao's a warrior; Vince is/was a tinkerbell.

todu82
07-12-2011, 12:59 PM
No, he was a good player but the lack of much playoff success and a short career means no Hall of Fame for Yao Ming.

netfan83
07-12-2011, 01:48 PM
I think Walton's NBA career is overrated (because he was never healthy), and his injuries should have kept him out too, sometimes winning championships shouldnt equal HOF.

The fact is that anyone who wins the MVP award has always been voted into the Hall. It's been automatic so far, even with players like Wes Unsel who won Rookie of the Year and MVP his year year. As a Bullets fan back then, I really liked him, but he didn't have a HOF career.

Players who win Rookie of the Year also have a good chance to get in providing they make a lot of All Star agames and ALL NBA First Teams.

netfan83
07-12-2011, 01:56 PM
Seriously! The guy is a lock. We can all argue back and forth all day about his stats, and I think everybody in this forum will agree that Yao is NOT going to make it in for his personal stats in the NBA, but rather because he pretty much introduced basketball to two BILLION people. Because he took a team that had no hopes of even winning a game in international play and got them a spot in the olympics. You take Michael Jordan off the dream team, they still win every game by twenty points. You take Yao off of the Chinese Olympic team, and they dont even HAVE an olympic team, they have a team that gets destroyed in every game by thirty+ points and don't even make the cut for an olympic game.

The HOF has guys like Sabonis and Petrovic and highschool coaches who were never even considered good enough to coach at the college level, let alone the NBA level. They have officials that never even officiated in the NCAA let alone the NBA. They have players who haven't even stepped foot on the NBA hardwood.

The bottom line, and I think we can all agree, is that Yao will make it in, and NOT based on his NBA stats, because those wouldnt get anybody in unless that person was on multiple championship teams, but rather because of influence he had on the game in China and around the world. He did a lot FOR this league, even if he didn't to a lont IN the league, and he worked miracles for the Chinese national team.

Will Yao get in: YES!
Will it be because of his stats: NO!

I think we can all agree on that. Whether we think he deserves it or not, he will get in, perhaps for the wrong reasons, depending on your point of view, but he will get in.

This is why he'll get in.

KnicksR4Real
07-12-2011, 02:04 PM
yes

Hellcrooner
07-12-2011, 02:07 PM
The fact is that anyone who wins the MVP award has always been voted into the Hall. It's been automatic so far, even with players like Wes Unsel who won Rookie of the Year and MVP his year year. As a Bullets fan back then, I really liked him, but he didn't have a HOF career.

Players who win Rookie of the Year also have a good chance to get in providing they make a lot of All Star agames and ALL NBA First Teams.

nah appart of winnin roy and mvp he "only" averaged 14 rpg in his career, played 5 all star games, win a ring, was finals mvp, made an all nba team.......

no player that has been the top option or the second option on a ring winner is out of the hof so why exactly shouldnt he be in the hof?

Byronicle
07-12-2011, 02:09 PM
nope

could've been if it were not for the injuries

is eric lindros (hockey) a hall of famer?

Rafer17
07-12-2011, 02:19 PM
No

netfan83
07-12-2011, 02:41 PM
nah appart of winnin roy and mvp he "only" averaged 14 rpg in his career, played 5 all star games, win a ring, was finals mvp, made an all nba team.......

no player that has been the top option or the second option on a ring winner is out of the hof so why exactly shouldnt he be in the hof?

Top option?? He was never the top, the second or even the third option. His career average was 10.3 ppg. Even his best year he wasn't a top 3 option. Out of 12 seasons, he made the All-Star game 5 times. He was an excellent, very tough, very undersized center who did great considering he was playing against guys 4-6" taller. But HOF - no, in my book.

Hellcrooner
07-12-2011, 02:52 PM
Top option?? He was never the top, the second or even the third option. His career average was 10.3 ppg. Even his best year he wasn't a top 3 option. Out of 12 seasons, he made the All-Star game 5 times. He was an excellent, very tough, very undersized center who did great considering he was playing against guys 4-6" taller. But HOF - no, in my book.

he was the LEADER of the team.

same way than Kidd was the LEADER of the nets no matter if he wasnt the "scorer".

peopel overate the scorer role like hell.

Swashcuff
07-12-2011, 04:20 PM
In the "experts" view its unanimous

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=5-on-5-110712


Is Yao Ming a Hall of Famer?

David Thorpe, Scouts Inc.: Yes, without doubt. He has been a living, breathing bridge connecting hundreds of millions of basketball fans to the top league in professional basketball while also being a long-term All-Star on merit. Unique in his combination of size and skill sets, Yao was robbed of many years of amazing performances but still inspired more people to follow the game than perhaps anyone else in history.

Jay Aych, The Painted Area: Figuring out the standard for inducting international players is always tricky. Is Yao's on-the-court NBA career Hall of Fame-caliber? No. But when you factor in his contributions off the court -- helping spread the NBA to millions in Asia -- and his being one of the best international bigs of all time, I believe Yao should earn a spot in Springfield.

Rob Mahoney, The Two Man Game: No question. In addition to peaking as one of the truly elite players in the league, Yao expanded the game internationally more than any other player in NBA history. He opened doors, dropped hook shots, crossed oceans, anchored defenses, created markets and stood as a great person and personality all the while.

Jonathan Santiago, Cowbell Kingdom: Yes, but not first-ballot. His contributions to the game in China and helping to further globalize the sport should earn him a second- or third-ballot Hall of Fame bid. And hey, if Bill Walton can get inducted with an injury-plagued NBA career, why can't Yao?

Jared Wade, 8 Points In 9 Seconds: By the current standards for the Basketball -- not NBA -- Hall of Fame, yes. He was the vanguard of spreading the sport to a continent where nearly 4 billion people live. He did not have one of the greatest basketball careers of all time, but he did have one of the most influential. For that, I would give the man a plaque.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6760779/the-legacy-yao


When asked if Yao should be in the Hall of Fame, Van Gundy, who does not hide his bias, said, "Without question. I don't care if you do it as a player or as a contributor or make up a new category for what he goes in as."

http://www.staradvertiser.com/sports/furtherreview/20110711_Save_a_spot_for_Yao_Ming_in_basketball_Ha ll_of_Fame.html


Greatness and fame should not be measured only by stats and championships. As important, or even more, is how someone connects to people and affects the sport as a whole.

And, again, that brings us back to Yao.

He averaged 19.0 points and 9.2 points per game, was selected for the All-Star Game eight times and, when healthy, he routinely dominated on both ends of the floor.

But that doesn't begin to measure Yao's impact on the sport of basketball.

You want a number? How about 1.2 billion, as in the people in China.

http://spaces.covers.com/blog/J_Logan/NBA/07082011-Yao-Mings-legacy-is-Hall-of-Fame-worthy.html


Yao Ming was one of the best things to ever happen to the NBA.

But, with the international sensation suddenly retiring Friday, his legacy will be more about being an ambassador for the sport of basketball than his work on the court.

However, because of his instant impact on the game and, more importantly, the way he helped spread basketball to the far reaches of the globe, Yao Ming deserves a spot in Springfield, Mass.

What more evidence do the naysayers need?

I mean I have given you guys facts upon facts from every possible angle and yet you continue to dispute without really giving substantial reasoning with the aide of any facts or historical reference.

Smh

hard_candy
07-13-2011, 03:50 PM
He's an obvious hall of famer. He's one of the top 5 guys in league history in terms of combining freaky size with freaky skills:

1. Shaq: unguardable. The referees had to hold an annual summit about how to officiate players trying to guard him.

2. Wilt: even more dominant than Shaq statistically in his era.

3. Yao had everything on the offensive end: Dream Shake, drop step going baseline, fadeaway jumper, mid range jump shot, hook shot, double pump reverse lay-ups; he could even spot up for a three. We've never seen a 7'4"+ guy even as remotely skilled as Yao.

4. Nowitzki

5. Garnett

JordansBulls
07-25-2011, 04:35 PM
If you put Yao in, then guys like KF, Tim Hardaway, Penny, Kemp need to be in it as well

Swashcuff
07-25-2011, 04:48 PM
If you put Yao in, then guys like KF, Tim Hardaway, Penny, Kemp need to be in it as well

Why?

JordansBulls
07-25-2011, 05:12 PM
Why?

He played 7 seasons of 48 games or more.
While the other guys played more than he did. Granted Yao was more dominant, but didn't play long enough.

Swashcuff
07-25-2011, 05:21 PM
He played 7 seasons of 48 games or more.
While the other guys played more than he did. Granted Yao was more dominant, but didn't play long enough.

:confused:

I take it you didn't read the original post right?

JB I don't know why I am telling you this but this is not the NBA HOF you know. So what does the fact that he played less that others have to do with it?