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Mile High Champ
07-08-2011, 09:56 AM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last three years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. Its is now that time to vote! I would like to start this up once more considering the NBA season is now over and we can get to this discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 2 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best.

2011 Off Season SF Rankings

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2010 Off Season SF Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Kevin Durant
3) Carmelo Anthony
4) Paul Pierce
5) Danny Granger
6) Gerald Wallace
7) Andre Iguodala
8) Rudy Gay
9) Luol Deng
10) Ron Artest

2009 Off Season SF Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Carmelo Anthony
3) Kevin Durant
4) Paul Pierce
5) Danny Granger
6) Andre Iguodala
7) Caron Butler
8) Hedo Turkoglu
9) Ron Artest
10) Stephen Jackson

2008 Off-Season SF rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Paul Pierce
3) Carmelo Anthony
4) Caron Butler
5) Ron Artest
6) Shawn Marion
7) Josh Smith
8) Richard Jefferson
9) Lamar Odom
10) Tayshaun Prince

HOZ THE KNICK
07-08-2011, 10:01 AM
offense melo
defense lebron
clutch durant

alencp3
07-08-2011, 10:02 AM
it wouldnt surprise me if durant wins this poll

Raidaz4Life
07-08-2011, 10:02 AM
Durant

NYKalltheway
07-08-2011, 10:03 AM
Lebron... no need to be hating

HOZ THE KNICK
07-08-2011, 10:04 AM
Lebron... no need to be hating

nobody here is hating i just think ppl would rather have melo or durant when the game is on the line.

Mile High Champ
07-08-2011, 10:04 AM
As much as Lebron struggled in the finals, he is still the pick here. Is he the best SF in the game? Yes. Is he the best player in the game? That I am not sure about anymore.

NBA-GMaster
07-08-2011, 10:05 AM
LeBron, he's still the best current player in NBA..

Pete Dahh Sneak
07-08-2011, 10:05 AM
This shouldn't even be a poll honestly. We all know it's Lebron, and if any1 else wins, it's just a poll full of haters.

HOZ THE KNICK
07-08-2011, 10:06 AM
LeBron, he's still the best current player in NBA..

i think the black mamba is the best player in the game but that's my opinion

CELTICS4LYFE
07-08-2011, 10:07 AM
offense melo
defense lebron
clutch durant

Id switch melo n durant, melo is more clutch than durant

Rivera
07-08-2011, 10:07 AM
i wanna vote durant but stats are still in lebrons favor


http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=jamesle01&y1=2011&p2=anthoca01&y2=2011&p3=duranke01&y3=2011

ttam68
07-08-2011, 10:08 AM
Couldn't you just skip this?

UKblazers
07-08-2011, 10:13 AM
Lebron is the obvious answer. I love durant but he averages more turnovers than assists, thats pathetic.

Caution1011
07-08-2011, 10:15 AM
Lebron it is no matter how much of you ppl in psd don't like him, you can deny the man's talent.

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 10:18 AM
The best player in the NBA LeBron James

HOZ THE KNICK
07-08-2011, 10:19 AM
lebron is great and i doubt anybody on this forum dosen't love his talent but it's differnt strokes for diffrent folks and at the end it's just ppl opinion and not a fact the numbers are there.

Da Knicks
07-08-2011, 10:19 AM
I say with every year passing Lebron will lose speed, quickness and if he doesnt develop a post game both Melo and Durant will be above him. At the present time i take Melo, i know people will call me a homer but i want a player who can abuse Terry and Kidd if they are defending him and he has such a big size advantage. Melo and his post up game and sweet jumper are things that Lbj needs in the worst ways.

CHANGO
07-08-2011, 10:19 AM
LMAO if Durant wins this... We all know who is still number one.

Carmelo Anthony...












He's not the #1. #1 is Lebron.

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 10:21 AM
offense melo
defense lebron
clutch durant

Offense isn't just shooting, scoring and offensive repertoire. It can be argued that LeBron is most valuable on offense as well.

THE GIPPER
07-08-2011, 10:21 AM
i think the black mamba is the best player in the game but that's my opinion

ohhhh k... and i think pat burke is the most dominant bigman in the last decade but thats my opinion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70miV-msmzw&feature=related

what a nice guy!

Knicks21
07-08-2011, 10:22 AM
Lebron
No. 2 is the debate.

Knicks21
07-08-2011, 10:24 AM
it wouldnt surprise me if durant wins this poll

It would surprise me.

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 10:24 AM
Everytime there is a discussion such as LeBron vs Melo/Kobe/Durant or MJ vs Kobe why do those who choose the latter say its their opinion when others state facts?

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 10:26 AM
i think the black mamba is the best player in the game but that's my opinion

This irks me so much you wouldn't believe. EVERY SINGLE ONE of you guys who say stuff like that ALWAYS say its my opinion with nothing to back it.

You know what if a year ago LeBron said he's taking his talents to the Big Apple you would have said he's the best player in the league by far and that's just your opinion. Smh

THE GIPPER
07-08-2011, 10:27 AM
Everytime there is a discussion such as LeBron vs Melo/Kobe/Durant or MJ vs Kobe why do those who choose the latter say its their opinion when others state facts?

this

Lakers211221
07-08-2011, 10:30 AM
I don't know how "the best player in the NBA" could score 8 points in an NBA Finals game and vanish in the 4th quarter of the entire NBA Finals

HallofFameKidd
07-08-2011, 10:33 AM
Lebron

Lakers211221
07-08-2011, 10:33 AM
Everytime there is a discussion such as LeBron vs Melo/Kobe/Durant or MJ vs Kobe why do those who choose the latter say its their opinion when others state facts?

Fact: Kobe Bryant has 5 rings, Lebron has zero
Fact: Kobe Bryant lead the NBA in points per 48 minutes, Lebron was 5th (Kobe's minutes were just reduced this year to try and stave off all of his injuries that he plays through every single year)

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 10:36 AM
I don't know how "the best player in the NBA" could score 8 points in an NBA Finals game and vanish in the 4th quarter of the entire NBA Finals

And in the series prior I wouldn't doubt that you were :ohno: because you were amazed at how well he played.

He took a royal dump on himself in the finals but does one series (worst series he could have chosen in all honesty) mean he's not a great player? Tracy McGrady and Kevin Garnett had good arguments for being the best players in the league at various points in their career but they both couldn't even make it out of the first round.

One series doesn't make the player if that was the case then Jason Terry would have gone much higher than #9 in the SG vote.

mjm07
07-08-2011, 10:37 AM
1-Lebron-The only way he loses this title, IMO, (as best SF in the game) is if #2 or #3 win a 'ship before he does.
2-Durant
3-Melo

THE GIPPER
07-08-2011, 10:38 AM
Fact: Kobe Bryant has 5 rings, Lebron has zero
Fact: Kobe Bryant lead the NBA in points per 48 minutes, Lebron was 5th (Kobe's minutes were just reduced this year to try and stave off all of his injuries that he plays through every single year)

Lol this guys great!

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 10:40 AM
Fact: Kobe Bryant has 5 rings, Lebron has zero
Fact: Kobe Bryant lead the NBA in points per 48 minutes, Lebron was 5th (Kobe's minutes were just reduced this year to try and stave off all of his injuries that he plays through every single year)

So wait Kobe's rings means he is the better player right now? So then If Bill Russell played in today's NBA he'd be the best there is right? :rolleyes:

There is NO fact in anything per/32/36/48 etc. Who says that had Kobe played 48 minutes that he'd be able to keep up that level of production. Kobe was also the #1 option on his team and has been for the greater part of the last decade. LeBron joined a team where he played second fiddle and was still trying to find his niche.

You need to bring a much better argument that those useless points if you want to win a debate on this with me.

But hey lets not derail the thread and stay on the topic at hand please. When the #1 player thread comes around I'll have my fun devouring you.

ManRam
07-08-2011, 10:42 AM
LeBron. Hate him or not, he's still the best.

GoPacers33
07-08-2011, 10:48 AM
Bron bron

jim51990
07-08-2011, 10:54 AM
the fact that melo has any votes is foolish
used to love melo until he became the most overrated athlete not just basketball player

black1605
07-08-2011, 10:55 AM
Lebron.

Yanks All Day
07-08-2011, 10:57 AM
LeBron James. And its not really close. Of the 3, he's the best passer, ball handler, rebounder, and defender, and not that far behind the other 2 in scoring. I still can't wrap my mind around how few assists Melo and Durant put up on very good offensive teams, especially when they have the ball so much, and how either of them has yet to become a defensive force for their size and athleticism.

jimbobjarree
07-08-2011, 10:59 AM
wow, I expected a lot more Knicks fans to influence this poll

Testaverde16
07-08-2011, 11:06 AM
Easily lebron

Sadds The Gr8
07-08-2011, 11:18 AM
i know Lebron is the best but i just couldn't vote for him.

THE GIPPER
07-08-2011, 11:20 AM
i know Lebron is the best but i just couldn't vote for him.

Hahaha

Sixerlover
07-08-2011, 11:20 AM
Your hate is eating you alive if you don't say Lebron is the best SF in the game.

Sixerlover
07-08-2011, 11:25 AM
Fact: Kobe Bryant has 5 rings, Lebron has zero
Fact: Kobe Bryant lead the NBA in points per 48 minutes, Lebron was 5th (Kobe's minutes were just reduced this year to try and stave off all of his injuries that he plays through every single year)

Gotta love those per whatever arguments. I remember one year Reggie Evans was the best rebounder in NBA history (per 48 mins). There is 0 possibility that Kobe would continue to play at the same pace for an extra 12 mins a game. That's another quarter.

He's not a better scorer than Lebron at this point in his career. Not a better defender, not a better passer, not a better rebounder, not a better facilitator. Not better at anything. He's not a better player, it's not a knock on Kobe at all it's age. Age gets every athlete eventually. Kobe fans just have to realize that. Eventually Lebron will be too old, then Durant, then John Wall, then even people who aren't in the NBA yet like Austin Rivers and Anthony Davis. Age never loses, so the fact that Kobe isn't as good as Lebron isn't a knock on his skillset, it's just his age he's getting old. This will be what his 15th year in the league?

LongIslandIcedZ
07-08-2011, 11:33 AM
I voted for Melo because I'm a Knicks fan, and I knew Lebron would destroy him anyway. Lebron is still the best player in the game despite his ****** finals. I do think Melo is gonna have a very good year though, on both sides of the ball. He showed against Boston that he has it in him to play good D, it's just a matter of actually doing it.

Htownballa1622
07-08-2011, 11:36 AM
So wait Kobe's rings means he is the better player right now? So then If Bill Russell played in today's NBA he'd be the best there is right? :rolleyes:

There is NO fact in anything per/32/36/48 etc. Who says that had Kobe played 48 minutes that he'd be able to keep up that level of production. Kobe was also the #1 option on his team and has been for the greater part of the last decade. LeBron joined a team where he played second fiddle and was still trying to find his niche.

You need to bring a much better argument that those useless points if you want to win a debate on this with me.

But hey lets not derail the thread and stay on the topic at hand please. When the #1 player thread comes around I'll have my fun devouring you.

:clap:

mjm07
07-08-2011, 11:37 AM
^ ^ that makes sense. smh

gmckenziejr82
07-08-2011, 11:38 AM
Lebron wins this one. He lead both in most of the important statistical categories last season, plus went farther in the season. I don't see this changing at least until lebron is out of his prime.

unwantedplayer
07-08-2011, 11:38 AM
Durant just to piss off all of the Heat fans.

Kidding...It's easily lebron.

THE GIPPER
07-08-2011, 11:41 AM
next poll

tcav701
07-08-2011, 11:43 AM
We could probably just skip to 4...

Htownballa1622
07-08-2011, 11:48 AM
This is probably the most obvious choice of all the polls.

I can't wait for pfs.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-08-2011, 11:52 AM
LeBron. Next.

Yunqn
07-08-2011, 11:54 AM
it would be mindblowing if lebron doesn't win..


its the same list from last year except deng and gay are higher ..deng goes 7th and gay goes 6th.

Don't know who goes 10th ..

Hawkeye15
07-08-2011, 11:59 AM
LeBron by a mile

justinnum1
07-08-2011, 12:01 PM
nobody here is hating i just think ppl would rather have melo or durant when the game is on the line.

Everything leading up to the game being on the line matters too...

Lloyd Christmas
07-08-2011, 12:23 PM
Lebron. And yes he's still the best player in the NBA.

Khalifa21
07-08-2011, 12:50 PM
LeBron James and it's not close... Other than Dwight winning #1 center this should be the most runaway poll.

Tmo440
07-08-2011, 12:57 PM
I am gonna go with Lebron, but it's a lot closer than people in here are saying. I feel that Kevin Durant is a much more reliable in the clutch than Lebron James is. As we saw throughout the course of the season. Against the Celtics and the Bulls Lebron was the force that dominated every single game; however, we did not see that in the Finals against the Mavs. In the case with Kevin Durant, he performed with more consistency than Lebron did throughout the playoffs. He was the more reliable scorer than Lebron, rarely having a bad game. When push comes to shove I think people over look Lebrons freakish athletic ability, and they forget how inconsistant that he's been in the fourth quarter of games when it really matters. I feel thats what we should be judging players based off of, which is why i'd rather have Durant. However, if were just talking skill set I guess i'd rather have Lebron.

Heediot
07-08-2011, 12:57 PM
Id switch melo n durant, melo is more clutch than durant

Boom, Durant is more efficient offensively, Melo is harder to stop. Melo is more clutch.

Voted Durant. LeBron is a better player, more efficient, more talented, but he ain't got balls. Its a biased vote, ya damn right.

Edit: Atleast he will be off the board in the next round. I woulda voted Melo and Pierce ahead of him as well hahaha.

WadeKobe
07-08-2011, 01:03 PM
nobody here is hating i just think ppl would rather have melo or durant when the game is on the line.

Funny story, bro.

2010-11 CLUTCH Stats (http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM)

2009-10 CLUTCH Stats (http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM)

2008-2009 CLUTCH Stats (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM)

People may in fact rather have Melo or Durant with he game on the line, but they'd be wrong to want that. Even though the stats were a little closer this year, LeBron was still the best out of the 3 with the game on the line, and over the last 3 years there has been no comparison.

b@llhog24
07-08-2011, 01:06 PM
Funny story, bro.

2010-11 CLUTCH Stats (http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM)

2009-10 CLUTCH Stats (http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM)

2008-2009 CLUTCH Stats (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM)

People may in fact rather have Melo or Durant with he game on the line, but they'd be wrong to want that. Even though the stats were a little closer this year, LeBron was still the best out of the 3 with the game on the line, and over the last 3 years there has been no comparison.

I think he is speaking game-winners wise.

Heediot
07-08-2011, 01:08 PM
Funny story, bro.

2010-11 CLUTCH Stats (http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM)

2009-10 CLUTCH Stats (http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM)

2008-2009 CLUTCH Stats (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM)

People may in fact rather have Melo or Durant with he game on the line, but they'd be wrong to want that. Even though the stats were a little closer this year, LeBron was still the best out of the 3 with the game on the line, and over the last 3 years there has been no comparison.

These stats are correct with 5 minutes remaining in a game. Where are the stats with 2 minutes or less, this is where I think people remember/define clutch more so than 5 mins left.

Heediot
07-08-2011, 01:09 PM
I think he is speaking game-winners wise.

Precisely, in pressure situations more so than how efficient you are within the last 5 minutes.

TorRaps22
07-08-2011, 01:11 PM
Despite all the criticism and hate he gets, Lebron is still the #1 SF.

BkOriginalOne
07-08-2011, 01:14 PM
Lucky this isn't best SF in the playoffs.

WadeKobe
07-08-2011, 01:15 PM
These stats are correct with 5 minutes remaining in a game. Where are the stats with 2 minutes or less, this is where I think people remember/define clutch more so than 5 mins left.


Precisely, in pressure situations more so than how efficient you are within the last 5 minutes.

:eyebrow:

I'm pretty sure in a close game (pressure situation) the last entire 5 minutes are more important than just the last 2, by about 250%... did I do my math right?

Heediot
07-08-2011, 01:18 PM
:eyebrow:

I'm pretty sure in a close game (pressure situation) the last entire 5 minutes are more important than just the last 2, by about 250%... did I do my math right?

In that case I concede the math/logical argument. With the game on the line I'd have the order like this in terms of who I want taking the shot.

1. Melo
2. KDurant
3. LeBron (I think he has the capability of moving to number 1, his mental makeup in pressure situations is still immature)

Hawkeye15
07-08-2011, 01:22 PM
jesus, the clutch argument again. There is no definition of clutch. Isn't it "clutch" to hit two long jumpers when a team starts to make a run in the middle of the 3rd quarter?

Give me the guy that dominates the most on both ends from minute 1 of game 1, to minute 48 of game 82.

LeBron James by a mile.

Hawkeye15
07-08-2011, 01:24 PM
isn't it clutch to hold the MVP to 9% shooting in the 4th quarter?

isn't it clutch to block a huge shot from behind on the break in a 1 possession game?

isn't it clutch to hit a shot with 35 seconds to go to give your team a 4 point lead on the road?

How many opportunities had Melo had in 8 years at game winners? 45? That is 45/650 games or so.

Get over the stupid clutch term

Sixerlover
07-08-2011, 01:29 PM
Lucky this isn't best SF in the playoffs.

It would still be Lebron by a mile. Melo got swept, Durant had two bad series against Memphis and Dallas and no one else in even in the coversation.

Sixerlover
07-08-2011, 01:30 PM
isn't it clutch to hold the MVP to 9% shooting in the 4th quarter?

isn't it clutch to block a huge shot from behind on the break in a 1 possession game?

isn't it clutch to hit a shot with 35 seconds to go to give your team a 4 point lead on the road?

How many opportunities had Melo had in 8 years at game winners? 45? That is 45/650 games or so.

Get over the stupid clutch term

Thank you.

Heediot
07-08-2011, 01:31 PM
isn't it clutch to hold the MVP to 9% shooting in the 4th quarter?

isn't it clutch to block a huge shot from behind on the break in a 1 possession game?

isn't it clutch to hit a shot with 35 seconds to go to give your team a 4 point lead on the road?

How many opportunities had Melo had in 8 years at game winners? 45? That is 45/650 games or so.

Get over the stupid clutch term

I'm guessing you referring to posters like me. In my initial post I already conceded Lebron is the best. I am a glorified hater so I was looking for an excuse to vote against him. I even admitted my vote was based on a bias and subjectivity. He's a p*$sy and that's that, he doesn't want the responsibilities. Put out all the stats y'all want, until he matures and grows some balls, my dislike for him will be on par with my dislike for Peyton Manning.

Chi StateOfMind
07-08-2011, 01:32 PM
LeBron James

PatsSoxKnicks
07-08-2011, 01:32 PM
isn't it clutch to hold the MVP to 9% shooting in the 4th quarter?

isn't it clutch to block a huge shot from behind on the break in a 1 possession game?

isn't it clutch to hit a shot with 35 seconds to go to give your team a 4 point lead on the road?

How many opportunities had Melo had in 8 years at game winners? 45? That is 45/650 games or so.

Get over the stupid clutch term

Yeah and interestingly, people magically forget how clutch he was against the Bulls and Celtics. He might not be the best player in the clutch but he's far from the worst player. Those 2 series against the Bulls and Celts obviously proved he can play in the clutch, against great defensive teams no less.

Hawkeye15
07-08-2011, 01:32 PM
its so annoying. Its seriously like saying this:

"Look, I know he is a more efficient scorer, a much better passer, a great rebounder, an elite defender, but dangit, my guy can hit a game winner at a higher rate in the 6 games a year where our game comes down to us trying a last second shot, so therefore he is better"

Hawkeye15
07-08-2011, 01:34 PM
I'm guessing you referring to posters like me. In my initial post I already conceded Lebron is the best. I am a glorified hater so I was looking for an excuse to vote against him. I even admitted my vote was based on a bias and subjectivity. He's a p*$sy and that's that, he doesn't want the responsibilities. Put out all the stats y'all want, until he matures and grows some balls, my dislike for him will be on par with my dislike for Peyton Manning.

not to you, to anyone who attempts to not only define what clutch is, but then try and convince people of who is more clutch.

And that is fine, you don't have to vote for him. You understand you are wrong in doing so, but at least you clearly state that you just can't get past your opinions on him, which is 100 times better than so many here who actually try to justify it with bs responses and logic.

Heediot
07-08-2011, 01:36 PM
its so annoying. Its seriously like saying this:

"Look, I know he is a more efficient scorer, a much better passer, a great rebounder, an elite defender, but dangit, my guy can hit a game winner at a higher rate in the 6 games a year where our game comes down to us trying a last second shot, so therefore he is better"

It is what it is.... Atleast I admit my flaws.

Hawkeye15
07-08-2011, 01:37 PM
Yeah and interestingly, people magically forget how clutch he was against the Bulls and Celtics. He might not be the best player in the clutch but he's far from the worst player. Those 2 series against the Bulls and Celts obviously proved he can play in the clutch, against great defensive teams no less.

well, the average fans memory is that of a goldfish sometimes. Its alarming. You are only as good as your last series, unless you have a resume of championships.

For example, Dirk is the hot talk right now. He is no better now than he was 5 months ago. But the media and average fan will disagree. Now, if the Mavs crash and burn in the playoffs next year, Dirk won't be talked about like he is now. Sports fans, many of them that is, just have short term memories.

Avenged
07-08-2011, 01:39 PM
As much as Lebron struggled in the finals, he is still the pick here. Is he the best SF in the game? Yes. Is he the best player in the game? That I am not sure about anymore.

Yep, this.

I have Dwight as the best in the game now.

But Lebron is the best SF.

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 01:41 PM
Yeah and interestingly, people magically forget how clutch he was against the Bulls and Celtics. He might not be the best player in the clutch but he's far from the worst player. Those 2 series against the Bulls and Celts obviously proved he can play in the clutch, against great defensive teams no less.

Precisely.

I mean where were they during those two series? It's really amazing the arguments they come up with each time. Apparently however one series defines clutch for them. By that reasoning Melo and Durant shouldn't be chosen either because they've both had worst and more un-clutch series than LeBron.

Heediot
07-08-2011, 01:48 PM
Precisely.

I mean where were they during those two series? It's really amazing the arguments they come up with each time. Apparently however one series defines clutch for them. By that reasoning Melo and Durant shouldn't be chosen either because they've both had worst and more un-clutch series than LeBron.

Even so, atleast they (Melo, Durant) want the ball in their hands and take the reigns instead of playing hot potato (NBA finals). I guess this argument is moot since Melo nor Durant have been to the finals. But I could see from his reaction to closing out the bulls, he was still emotionally and psychologically immature (this is purely an eye test, and instinctive of me). The problem with LeBron is he wants the title tooo badly that it freezes him. It's like macking on a girl, you gotta want it and don't want it at the same time then you'll be successful.

JayAllDay
07-08-2011, 01:53 PM
So wait Kobe's rings means he is the better player right now? So then If Bill Russell played in today's NBA he'd be the best there is right? :rolleyes:

There is NO fact in anything per/32/36/48 etc. Who says that had Kobe played 48 minutes that he'd be able to keep up that level of production. Kobe was also the #1 option on his team and has been for the greater part of the last decade. LeBron joined a team where he played second fiddle and was still trying to find his niche.

You need to bring a much better argument that those useless points if you want to win a debate on this with me.

But hey lets not derail the thread and stay on the topic at hand please. When the #1 player thread comes around I'll have my fun devouring you.

He brought up facts. They are still facts even if you say they're not.

The guy who played second fiddle is the greatest?
That's a STUPID argument. That's a fact.

meloman1592
07-08-2011, 02:00 PM
Im one of the biggest lebron haters u will ever meet. But this isnt even a serious question...he's the best, by a pretty fair margin.

X12Celtics3
07-08-2011, 02:02 PM
Next thread... super easy poll

WadeKobe
07-08-2011, 02:03 PM
Even so, atleast they (Melo, Durant) want the ball in their hands and take the reigns instead of playing hot potato (NBA finals). I guess this argument is moot since Melo nor Durant have been to the finals. But I could see from his reaction to closing out the bulls, he was still emotionally and psychologically immature (this is purely an eye test, and instinctive of me). The problem with LeBron is he wants the title tooo badly that it freezes him. It's like macking on a girl, you gotta want it and don't want it at the same time then you'll be successful.

:facepalm:

This is the most convoluted pile of steaming crap I've heard in a very long time. How deep do you have to reach to come up with something just to bash a guy because he chose to go play with some more stars? That's really what this comes down to, don't try to pretend it doesn't. No one would have said this kind of crap 13 months ago.



Even so, atleast they (Melo, Durant) want the ball in their hands and take the reigns instead of playing hot potato (NBA finals).

This proves your post has no logic involved. So you would rather a guy who is shooting ice cold continue to shoot your team out of a game as opposed to pass the ball?

Don't get me wrong, he played terribly and passed too much. But a few games in one series means James doesn't want the ball in his hands? huh? If you actually paid attention to the playoffs, you'd realize that he wanted the ball in his hands all the way until Game 3 of the Finals. Why?

Because throughout the Celtics and Bulls series LeBron was red hot from 3 and made tons of hero-ball (bad) shots. This is the type of stuff you're praising. Take bad shots because you are the star. Well, LeBron embraced it, did it, and succeeded. Then he did some more of it in game 1 of the Finals. Success.

Then Game 2 comes. They're killing the Mavericks, should go up 2-0, but the 3-ball well dries up and the sample-size gods come trampling down upon LeBron James. He's a 30% 3pt shooter, but he had been shooting some 50%. That means a lot of 10% shooting is on its way.

Guess what, LeBron lost confidence in his shot when he started shooting 10%, which just so happened to be at the wrong time. It's called no such thing as the hot hand. It's peaks and valleys in a shooting sample. LeBron hit a high peak in the Semis and ECF, and then a low peak during the Finals. It has nothing to do with "clutch." However, the low peak took away his confidence, and made him feel like on a team with other great offensive weapons, he should do other things and pass instead of shooting poorly. The valley got in his head.


But I could see from his reaction to closing out the bulls, he was still emotionally and psychologically immature (this is purely an eye test, and instinctive of me).

He sucks, is mentally immature, and I hate him because he played with other stars. Oh, he played great? Yea, well, it was still immature and means he sucks. How do I know? Just trust me, I can "see it."

lol.



The problem with LeBron is he wants the title tooo badly that it freezes him. It's like macking on a girl, you gotta want it and don't want it at the same time then you'll be successful.

How did you come up with this? What does this even mean? I'm so lost... did you **** this out?

Rndy
07-08-2011, 02:05 PM
Lebron and it isn't even close all this Clutch bs is as funny as when people used to say A-Rod wasn't clutch. Clutch is way too small of a sample size to make that kind of statement. I'll take Lebron the best player in the game over one dimensional Melo.

Chacarron
07-08-2011, 02:11 PM
Lebron James.

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 02:17 PM
He brought up facts. They are still facts even if you say they're not.

According to his facts Reggie Evans is the greatest rebounder ever. Agree?
According to his facts Bill Russell is greater than Michael Jordan. Agree?


The guy who played second fiddle is the greatest?
That's a STUPID argument. That's a fact.

Kobe played 2nd fiddle Shaq for the majority of his championships. Some reason many believe that he's still the better player. That's a stupid argument.

As I said before I am not going to derail this thread. But if you want to discuss facts bring something more to the table than your baseless comments.

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 02:19 PM
Even so, atleast they (Melo, Durant) want the ball in their hands and take the reigns instead of playing hot potato (NBA finals). I guess this argument is moot since Melo nor Durant have been to the finals. But I could see from his reaction to closing out the bulls, he was still emotionally and psychologically immature (this is purely an eye test, and instinctive of me). The problem with LeBron is he wants the title tooo badly that it freezes him. It's like macking on a girl, you gotta want it and don't want it at the same time then you'll be successful.

Do you guys read what you're typing? I mean honesty do you?

SA5195
07-08-2011, 02:23 PM
Lebron

juno10
07-08-2011, 02:24 PM
In that case I concede the math/logical argument. With the game on the line I'd have the order like this in terms of who I want taking the shot.

1. Melo
2. KDurant
3. LeBron (I think he has the capability of moving to number 1, his mental makeup in pressure situations is still immature)

in the regular is season probably mello, but if im talking about playoffs i don't even want mello in the game with 5 min left, such a huge liability on defense. and you know the last shot will be some awkward jumper he may get lucky but i wouldn't trust in a game that really means something.

Heediot
07-08-2011, 02:29 PM
:facepalm:

This is the most convoluted pile of steaming crap I've heard in a very long time. How deep do you have to reach to come up with something just to bash a guy because he chose to go play with some more stars? That's really what this comes down to, don't try to pretend it doesn't. No one would have said this kind of crap 13 months ago.




This proves your post has no logic involved. So you would rather a guy who is shooting ice cold continue to shoot your team out of a game as opposed to pass the ball?

Don't get me wrong, he played terribly and passed too much. But a few games in one series means James doesn't want the ball in his hands? huh? If you actually paid attention to the playoffs, you'd realize that he wanted the ball in his hands all the way until Game 3 of the Finals. Why?

Because throughout the Celtics and Bulls series LeBron was red hot from 3 and made tons of hero-ball (bad) shots. This is the type of stuff you're praising. Take bad shots because you are the star. Well, LeBron embraced it, did it, and succeeded. Then he did some more of it in game 1 of the Finals. Success.

Then Game 2 comes. They're killing the Mavericks, should go up 2-0, but the 3-ball well dries up and the sample-size gods come trampling down upon LeBron James. He's a 30% 3pt shooter, but he had been shooting some 50%. That means a lot of 10% shooting is on its way.

Guess what, LeBron lost confidence in his shot when he started shooting 10%, which just so happened to be at the wrong time. It's called no such thing as the hot hand. It's peaks and valleys in a shooting sample. LeBron hit a high peak in the Semis and ECF, and then a low peak during the Finals. It has nothing to do with "clutch." However, the low peak took away his confidence, and made him feel like on a team with other great offensive weapons, he should do other things and pass instead of shooting poorly. The valley got in his head.



He sucks, is mentally immature, and I hate him because he played with other stars. Oh, he played great? Yea, well, it was still immature and means he sucks. How do I know? Just trust me, I can "see it."

lol.



How did you come up with this? What does this even mean? I'm so lost... did you **** this out?

Let’s keep this short and sweet. Do I think he’s a good player, yes (top 3 most definitely). I voted numerous times he was the best player in the NBA, you can check my short history. This is even when he was on the Heat. I just don’t think he has the balls and that’s that, forget about everything else. There are things psychological, instinctive, and intuitively that I rely on aside from stats. I already said this is purely subjective on my part. That’s fair if you want to bash me for this but I live my life more on trusting my instincts than I do with logic. You can check my history too, I don't **** on him for signing with Miami. DO I have a dislike for what he did, you are right, yes I do I'd be lying if I said something different. But in all honesty its something minimal.

Edit: The reason he freezes is because he let's other people's opinion of him overwhelm him. That's my analogy on macking on a girl. You gotta do your thing, but don't worry about what other people think and stress/focus on the process not the outcome and you'll be successful.

Geargo Wallace
07-08-2011, 02:31 PM
LeBeast takes this easily.

WadeKobe
07-08-2011, 02:32 PM
Letís keep this short and sweet. Do I think heís a good player, yes (top 3 most definitely). I voted numerous times he was the best player in the NBA, you can check my short history. This is even when he was on the Heat. I just donít think he has the balls and thatís that, forget about everything else. There are things psychological, instinctive, and intuitively that I rely on aside from stats. I already said this is purely subjective on my part. Thatís fair if you want to bash me for this but I live my life more on trusting my instincts than I do with logic.

My bad. I didn't realize you were a chick. If I had known that at first, I'd have never said anything. Sorry about that!

Heediot
07-08-2011, 02:37 PM
Do you guys read what you're typing? I mean honesty do you?

Lol the first few sentences didn't make sense at all. Lol it was horribly put and probably rushed. Whatever, to keep it short: I don't like him because I don't think he has balls.

Heediot
07-08-2011, 02:42 PM
My bad. I didn't realize you were a chick. If I had known that at first, I'd have never said anything. Sorry about that!

Chic or not, he needs to develop a killer instinct like Wade,/Kobe, and he needs to grow up psychologically. I even said in my initial post he has the capacity to achieve this.

mttwlsn16
07-08-2011, 02:56 PM
ryan gomes
/thread

maddBat
07-08-2011, 03:04 PM
shoulda added 2 the poll keep the 3 in same order as last couple years. cuz its stil the same

marj987
07-08-2011, 03:07 PM
Why is Danny Granger not in the poll at all?

MELO7NYK/DENfan
07-08-2011, 03:28 PM
in the regular is season probably mello, but if im talking about playoffs i don't even want mello in the game with 5 min left, such a huge liability on defense. and you know the last shot will be some awkward jumper he may get lucky but i wouldn't trust in a game that really means something.

:facepalm: Really?

Slug3
07-08-2011, 03:34 PM
Why is Danny Granger not in the poll at all?

Once we get the top 3 out of the way he will be added I am sure.

Sixerlover
07-08-2011, 03:50 PM
[QUOTE=JayAllDay;18495971
The guy who played second fiddle is the greatest?
That's a STUPID argument. That's a fact.[/QUOTE]
Let me ask you a question. Magic or Kareem who was the 2nd fiddle?

Super.
07-08-2011, 04:21 PM
Regardless of how much I hate him

LeBron is the best SF in the NBA

BranWingss
07-08-2011, 04:42 PM
Obvious choice, LeBron.

CHANGO
07-08-2011, 04:49 PM
LOL...


Lebron James - 140
Kevin Durant - 23
Carmelo Anthony - 12

It should be like this:


Lebron James - 173
Kevin Durant - 1
Carmelo Anthony - 1

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 04:57 PM
Let me ask you a question. Magic or Kareem who was the 2nd fiddle?

What about Gail Goodrich and Jerry West? or Moses Malone and Julius Irving? or Bob Cousy and Bill Russell?

West, Russell and Irving were all "second fiddles" but were all at one point or another the best player at their position and former MVP winners. Russell even had a strong case for the best player in the game.

Slimsim
07-08-2011, 05:12 PM
Lbj

Slimsim
07-08-2011, 05:19 PM
When Melo played for Denver how come i never seen anyone call him 1 dimensional ?

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 05:28 PM
When Melo played for Denver how come i never seen anyone call him 1 dimensional ?

He was more one dimensional when he played for Denver. Melo only plays D when he wants to and when he went to NY he really wanted to.

It's not an NY thing people have been saying this about Melo for years. Trust me I have a better idea than damn near every NY fan.

MELO7NYK/DENfan
07-08-2011, 05:40 PM
why does melo get called 1 dimensional when Kevin durant does i dnt get it.

TheChamp
07-08-2011, 05:53 PM
Melo and Durant shouldn't even have any votes.

Slimsim
07-08-2011, 05:56 PM
He was more one dimensional when he played for Denver. Melo only plays D when he wants to and when he went to NY he really wanted to.

It's not an NY thing people have been saying this about Melo for years. Trust me I have a better idea than damn near every NY fan.

When i think of 1 dimensional I think of a player that only does 1 good thing like Eddie House who can't do anything but shoot threes. Melo is a good rebounder and can score any many ways. And when he wants to can be a solid defender so i never understood the 1 dimensional comparison to Melos game

Kashmir13579
07-08-2011, 05:57 PM
i'd love to vote for 'Melo or Durant... :pity:

Slimsim
07-08-2011, 05:57 PM
Melo and Durant shouldn't even have any votes.

LBJ haters combine with Knicks homers and Durant lovers.

tcav701
07-08-2011, 05:58 PM
Melo is not one-dimensional.

In fact, he might be the most versatile scorer in the league.

However, he only plays one side of the ball.

Kashmir13579
07-08-2011, 05:59 PM
He was more one dimensional when he played for Denver. Melo only plays D when he wants to and when he went to NY he really wanted to.

It's not an NY thing people have been saying this about Melo for years. Trust me I have a better idea than damn near every NY fan.

When/if there is a season, we'll just have to hope he keeps that up.

Spiggity_ace
07-08-2011, 06:07 PM
lebron, and its not close, at least not yet

MELO7NYK/DENfan
07-08-2011, 06:08 PM
ment durant doesnt get called 1 demisional and melo gets called that

MELO7NYK/DENfan
07-08-2011, 06:11 PM
btw i voted for LBJ

tcav701
07-08-2011, 06:15 PM
ment durant doesnt get called 1 demisional and melo gets called that

is this la la?

MELO7NYK/DENfan
07-08-2011, 06:19 PM
is this la la?

just sayin man they act like kd is so much more than him and en considrd that he was etter than lbj.

Kashmir13579
07-08-2011, 06:20 PM
ment durant doesnt get called 1 demisional and melo gets called that

The only argument there is for Carmelo over Durant, is that he gets a lot of his own rebounds. Probably the best in that game at doing that, and that makes up a little for him not being as efficient as Durant on paper. Also, 'Melo doesn't shoot nearly as many 3s, instead, settling for long 2s, that doesn't help out 'Melo's case either as its represented in his eFG%.

Kashmir13579
07-08-2011, 06:22 PM
just sayin man they act like kd is so much more than him and en considrd that he was etter than lbj.

I personally like Carmelo better, and will vote for him over Durant....... Because he went to Cuse. :laugh2:

MELO7NYK/DENfan
07-08-2011, 06:26 PM
The only argument there is for Carmelo over Durant, is that he gets a lot of his own rebounds. Probably the best in that game at doing that, and that makes up a little for him not being as efficient as Durant on paper. Also, 'Melo doesn't shoot nearly as many 3s, instead, settling for long 2s, that doesn't help out 'Melo's case either as its represented in his eFG%.

I agree on that but people act like kd is far ahead of him.

MELO7NYK/DENfan
07-08-2011, 06:27 PM
I personally like Carmelo better, and will vote for him over Durant....... Because he went to Cuse. :laugh2:

ha yea im a cuse fan too man. lol

Crackadalic
07-08-2011, 06:28 PM
Lebron james. Melo/Durant is debatable.

TheChamp
07-08-2011, 06:35 PM
This thread should have never been made. I mean it's interesting to see how to votes go out but you should have just skipped to #2 SF In The NBA LOL. That will be much more debatable.

Baller1
07-08-2011, 06:40 PM
Should've just started with #3 to be honest. Lebron and Durant are quite a bit ahead of every other player at the position.

MELO7NYK/DENfan
07-08-2011, 06:42 PM
Should've just started with #3 to be honest. Lebron and Durant are quite a bit ahead of every other player at the position.

hahaha wow.

JWO35
07-08-2011, 06:42 PM
1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony

Start at 4

Kashmir13579
07-08-2011, 06:46 PM
I agree on that but people act like kd is far ahead of him.

The only reason people say that - or the only reason people SHOULD say that, is because he is much younger than Carmelo. On paper, they aren't as far apart as some people think. (due to offensive rebounds mostly)

Baller1
07-08-2011, 06:51 PM
The only reason people say that - or the only reason people SHOULD say that, is because he is much younger than Carmelo. On paper, they aren't as far apart as some people think. (due to offensive rebounds mostly)

The only clear advantage Melo has, like you said, is rebounding (slightly).

Otherwise, Durant has Melo in just about every aspect of the game, or at the very least is comparable.

KingPosey
07-08-2011, 06:51 PM
And in the series prior I wouldn't doubt that you were :ohno: because you were amazed at how well he played.

He took a royal dump on himself in the finals but does one series (worst series he could have chosen in all honesty) mean he's not a great player? Tracy McGrady and Kevin Garnett had good arguments for being the best players in the league at various points in their career but they both couldn't even make it out of the first round.

One series doesn't make the player if that was the case then Jason Terry would have gone much higher than #9 in the SG vote.

Terrible comparison, T Mac was always amazing in the playoffs, and KG never **** the bed like that either.

MacFitz92
07-08-2011, 06:57 PM
Gotta go LeBron, even though at the end of the game I'd rather have KD or Melo.

theheatles
07-08-2011, 07:16 PM
did we even really need a vote on this one? NEXT!

Kashmir13579
07-08-2011, 07:18 PM
The only clear advantage Melo has, like you said, is rebounding (slightly).

Otherwise, Durant has Melo in just about every aspect of the game, or at the very least is comparable.

If by every aspect of the game, you mean shot selection, then you are right. The reality is that 'Melo has a lot of offensive tools that Durant doesn't possess, so you are wrong.

And no it isn't a "slight" lead in rebounding. 'Melo is the best in the NBA by far at getting rebounds off his own misses, and that is very valuable. It makes 'Melo's disadvantage in eFG% and TS% seem less significant.

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 07:23 PM
Terrible comparison, T Mac was always amazing in the playoffs, and KG never **** the bed like that either.

So do you mean to tell me LeBron outside of the finals LeBron wasn't also great in the playoffs. LeBron is one of the greatest non finals performers ever. What the hell are you talking about. Better than both T-Mac and KG.

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 07:26 PM
When i think of 1 dimensional I think of a player that only does 1 good thing like Eddie House who can't do anything but shoot threes. Melo is a good rebounder and can score any many ways. And when he wants to can be a solid defender so i never understood the 1 dimensional comparison to Melos game

I understand your POV and honestly I can't blame you. Many thought he underperformed as a rebounder given his size and strength though.

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 07:27 PM
When/if there is a season, we'll just have to hope he keeps that up.

If he does and he indeed keeps that up and works on his shot selection he'll certainly close the gap on LeBron IMO.

Kashmir13579
07-08-2011, 07:28 PM
I understand your POV and honestly I can't blame you. Many thought he underperformed as a rebounder given his size and strength though.

He really isn't a great rebounder in the traditional sense. He just has an uncanny ability to follow his show better than anyone else, which makes him a beast on the offensive glass.

Kashmir13579
07-08-2011, 07:29 PM
If he does and he indeed keeps that up and works on his shot selection he'll certainly close the gap on LeBron IMO.

He has the tools to do it. Its all about motivation.

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 07:32 PM
He has the tools to do it. Its all about motivation.

Never been truer about any other player if ever seen. I always say it a motivated Melo is capable of being the best player in the league.

Kashmir13579
07-08-2011, 07:34 PM
Another important factor that has to play into this next poll, Are we using 'Melo's entire season, or are we using specifically his time on the Knicks? That makes more of a difference than people might imagine. 'Melo was putting up career numbers on the Knicks in almost every category and suddenly became a very efficient player. :speechless:

justinnum1
07-08-2011, 07:35 PM
lebron and its not close.

blastmasta26
07-08-2011, 07:42 PM
LeBron
Durant
Melo

That's my top 3 in SF's. But I'm considering voting for Melo at #2 since every positional ranking is screwed up by biased voting :D

Hustlenomics
07-08-2011, 07:59 PM
watch # 2 be a landslide even though Durant and Melo are very similar

CavsYanksDuke
07-08-2011, 08:08 PM
Lebron it is no matter how much of you ppl in psd don't like him, you can deny the man's talent.

You're right, I CAN deny his talent...in the most important part of the season. I agree that for 99% of the season, he was the best. Then, those last three games were TERRIBLE.

Still, stats don't lie.

SteBO
07-08-2011, 08:16 PM
Already discussing 'Melo vs Durant I see........

To chime in on that, I'd go 'Melo at #2 because of his all around offensive game. He can shoot the 3, post up, has a very good mid-range game, is strong going to the basket, and can get to the FT line. Durant is a good scorer and can get to the line, but he doesn't have the same versatility 'Melo has, and Anthony is a superior rebounder.

Colts2180
07-08-2011, 08:17 PM
You cant deny Lebrons Choking ability. Ill take Melo or Durant over him any day. Melo is the best clutch player of the 3 but Durants the best scorer. SFs arnt point guards. They dont have to be passers and get assists. Lebron does but hes a freak. Thats all he has on the other 2.

naps
07-08-2011, 08:19 PM
If anyone is not voting LeBron, his life revolves around hate. Pathetic.

Crackadalic
07-08-2011, 08:23 PM
Were not even talking about lebron anymore lol. Melo and Durant are debatable but I really hate when people say Durant is far ahead then melo when that just isnt true

Colts2180
07-08-2011, 08:23 PM
Already discussing 'Melo vs Durant I see........

To chime in on that, I'd go 'Melo at #2 because of his all around offensive game. He can shoot the 3, post up, has a very good mid-range game, is strong going to the basket, and can get to the FT line. Durant is a good scorer and can get to the line, but he doesn't have the same versatility 'Melo has, and Anthony is a superior rebounder.

I know that .5 rebounds a game more that Melo got made him leaps and bounds better than KD. Who performed better in the playoffs tho? Sure the heck wasnt Melo. KD averaged more points AND boards than Melo. Plus Melo plays 0 defense. KD is a good defender so he should be #1 but not lower than #2. Ill call Lechoker #1 when he can play a full game when it matters most.

Crackadalic
07-08-2011, 08:31 PM
Already discussing 'Melo vs Durant I see........

To chime in on that, I'd go 'Melo at #2 because of his all around offensive game. He can shoot the 3, post up, has a very good mid-range game, is strong going to the basket, and can get to the FT line. Durant is a good scorer and can get to the line, but he doesn't have the same versatility 'Melo has, and Anthony is a superior rebounder.

I know that .5 rebounds a game more that Melo got made him leaps and bounds better than KD. Who performed better in the playoffs tho? Sure the heck wasnt Melo. KD averaged more points AND boards than Melo. Plus Melo plays 0 defense. KD is a good defender so he should be #1 but not lower than #2. Ill call Lechoker #1 when he can play a full game when it matters most.

Where is this 0 defense coming from. I saw him 1st hand shut some players down a few years back when he went to the WCF. If anything that run is pretty similar KD had this past season. Both arent really good defenders but I've seen both of them play good defense at times. It just wanting to do it all the time. Thats why lebron is Number 1 because he does it on both sides on the court every game

SteBO
07-08-2011, 08:35 PM
Where is this 0 defense coming from. I saw him 1st hand shut some players down a few years back when he went to the WCF. If anything that run is pretty similar KD had this past season. Both arent really good defenders but I've seen both of them play good defense at times. It just wanting to do it all the time. Thats why lebron is Number 1 because he does it on both sides on the court every game
You saved me alot of writing. Thank you.

Ironman5219
07-08-2011, 08:40 PM
There are poeple out there that really believe that Carmello is Better than James or Durrant? Really?

Kashmir13579
07-08-2011, 08:49 PM
I know that .5 rebounds a game more that Melo got made him leaps and bounds better than KD.

You have to look closer. Its what he does on the offensive glass that stands out.
As i said earlier, creating those second chance opportunities for his team is crucial and isn't reflected in his shooting numbers. (which is probably the only reason people will pick KD over him)

Roughly 1.2 out of every 20 FGs attempted results in 'Melo creating a second chance opportunity for his team. It doesn't seem like much but towards the end of the game those extra possessions start to pay off.

Baller1
07-08-2011, 09:10 PM
Already discussing 'Melo vs Durant I see........

To chime in on that, I'd go 'Melo at #2 because of his all around offensive game. He can shoot the 3, post up, has a very good mid-range game, is strong going to the basket, and can get to the FT line. Durant is a good scorer and can get to the line, but he doesn't have the same versatility 'Melo has, and Anthony is a superior rebounder.

At rim: Durant
3-9 ft: Durant
10-15 ft: Durant
16-23 ft: Melo
23+ ft: Durant

eFG%: Durant
Ts%: Durant
FT%: Durant

Just because Melo appears to have a more versatile arsenal, does not mean he uses it more effectively. Basically what you're saying is, since Durant sticks to doing what he's good at, he's not as effective as Melo? Not trying to pit words in your mouth, but that's essentially what you're getting at.

Durant is already a much more potent offensive force than Melo without a postgame, now imagine once he does develop one (he's only 22).

It's not close... Durant blows Melo away when it comes to scoring (then again, he blows just about everyone away when it comes to scoring).

Durant > Melo.

Ebbs
07-08-2011, 09:12 PM
Lol how did either candidate get a vote.

tyfreaks brotha
07-08-2011, 09:15 PM
Look at all the homers who think Melo is better then lebron :laugh:

NYMetros
07-08-2011, 09:16 PM
IMO..
1. James
2. Durant
3. Anthony

Pierce 4th.

Greet
07-08-2011, 09:16 PM
I was confused, where's derrick rose? he's easily the best player at every position. dumb poll

Crackadalic
07-08-2011, 09:17 PM
At rim: Durant
3-9 ft: Durant
10-15 ft: Durant
16-23 ft: Melo
23+ ft: Durant

eFG%: Durant
Ts%: Durant
FT%: Durant

Just because Melo appears to have a more versatile arsenal, does not mean he uses it more effectively. Basically what you're saying is, since Durant sticks to doing what he's good at, he's not as effective as Melo? Not trying to pit words in your mouth, but that's essentially what you're getting at.

Durant is already a much more potent offensive force than Melo without a postgame, now imagine once he does develop one (he's only 22).

It's not close... Durant blows Melo away when it comes to scoring (then again, he blows just about everyone away when it comes to scoring).

Durant > Melo.

Melo TS% .557 eFG% .487
Durant TS% .589 eFG% .509

melo shot 45% and durant shot 46% So where is this blowing melo offensively out the water coming from

juno10
07-08-2011, 09:44 PM
You cant deny Lebrons Choking ability. Ill take Melo or Durant over him any day. Melo is the best clutch player of the 3 but Durants the best scorer. SFs arnt point guards. They dont have to be passers and get assists. Lebron does but hes a freak. Thats all he has on the other 2.

im going to have to disagree, in terms of close games id take durant than bron mello is overrated in terms of clutchness because he only does it in the regular season and usually its because of his horrid defense why the game is close in the first place.

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 09:46 PM
im going to have to disagree, in terms of close games id take durant than bron mello is overrated in terms of clutchness because he only does it in the regular season and usually its because of his horrid defense why the game is close in the first place.

I mean I really question if you guys read what you say before you click "submit reply". :crazy:

bigA9331
07-08-2011, 09:57 PM
Lebron...

juno10
07-08-2011, 10:00 PM
I mean I really question if you guys read what you say before you click "submit reply". :crazy:

thank you for posting this pointless comment instead of listing what you disagree i mean it is a forum after all.

Swashcuff
07-08-2011, 10:07 PM
thank you for posting this pointless comment instead of listing what you disagree i mean it is a forum after all.

Do you have any factual proof that Melo's defense directly contributes to his teams not being in close games?

TheRunKiller
07-08-2011, 11:38 PM
lebron but melo is 2nd

tredigs
07-08-2011, 11:43 PM
My men - Let's just close this thread so we can end all irrational hate towards He Who Shall Not Be Named. It's a resounding win as it should be and half the debate I've seen has been 'Melo V. Durant - which is the better debate anyway (Durant is one you want on your team, no question... but I digress).

Hawkeye15
07-08-2011, 11:50 PM
great suggestion Tre. Honestly would have been reasonable to close it after 10 posts this poll is so obvious