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StealingSigns
07-03-2011, 09:19 PM
Toronto Blue Jays

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VS

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Boston Red Sox


Monday, July 4, 1:35 PM ET

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Brandon Morrow.............John Lackey
4-4, 4.56 ERA................5-7, 6.81 ERA
3.21.....xFIP.....4.85
1.33....WHIP....1.56
10.92.....K/9.....5.53
3.60....BB/9....3.47


Morrow matched a season high with 10 strikeouts during his last start against the Pirates. He allowed just one run on four hits and three walks en route to his fourth win of the year. Morrow is now 2-0 with a 1.74 ERA in his past three outings.

Whether Lackey is on course for Tommy John surgery any time soon or not, he has pitched better in five starts since coming off the DL. He rebounded against the Phils on Wednesday, going 7 2/3 innings and allowing two runs in a 2-1 loss.


Tuesday, July 5, 7:10 PM ET

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Brett Cecil..............Jon Lester
1-3, 7.24 ERA.............10-4, 3.43 ERA
4.72.....xFIP.....3.47
1.68....WHIP....1.24
6.91.....K/9.....8.56
4.61....BB/9....3.18

Cecil deserved better his last time out, his first start since returning from a two-month stint at Triple-A Las Vegas. The 24-year-old allowed six runs on eight hits but fell victim to a pair of key defensive miscues behind him.

Lester was the stopper last time out, averting a Phillies sweep with seven innings of two-hit shutout ball en route to his 10th win. He did not allow more than three runs in a start in five June outings.


Wednesday, July 6, 7:10 PM ET

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Ricky Romero.................Tim Wakefield
7-7, 2.75 ERA...................4-3, 4.82 ERA
3.51.....xFIP.....4.98
1.19....WHIP....1.26
7.55.....K/9.....3.98
3.20....BB/9....2.89

Romero went 6 1/3 innings against the Phillies his last time out, allowing three earned runs on seven hits and four walks. He has lasted into at least the seventh inning in 10 consecutive starts and has thrown five quality starts in a row.

The knuckleballer is coming off a shaky start, in which he gave up 11 hits and five runs over 5 1/3 innings vs. Houston. Wakefield took a no-decision and is three wins away from 200. Wakefield is second among active hurlers to Javier Vazquez in K's.

TO Rapz
07-03-2011, 10:20 PM
Hm, the pitching matchups arent actually that bad for us apart from Lester who consistantly rapes us. I like 2/3 for this series for us actually.

Bombtista
07-03-2011, 10:29 PM
I agree, the jays look good for the morrow and romero series. Although the red sox bats are their true strength

TO Rapz
07-03-2011, 10:39 PM
Yeah but our bats are going good right now, esp after that last series, we did good vs lee, and doc, i wouldnt be surprised if we take this one. go jays!!

Bob Loblaw
07-03-2011, 10:41 PM
Buchholz must be injured because we never miss him in a series

GrantHustle
07-04-2011, 12:01 AM
I hope Johnny Mac hits a homer off of Lackey

nstojic
07-04-2011, 09:11 AM
anyone want some 'neat' light reading?

check this (this) out.. a bit OT but interesting science

North Yorker
07-04-2011, 10:19 AM
Lineup:

Davis CF
Thames LF
Bautista 3B
Lind 1B
Encarnacion DH
Hill 2B
Snider RF
Molina C
Mcdonald SS

Rajai leading off, Snider in the OF, Molina in for JPA, JMac still filling in for Yunel.

Dol-Fan
07-04-2011, 10:23 AM
really nice to see Snider back up, but our lineup just does not look right without Yunel. Davis leading off and Hill in front of Snider makes me cringe, but I suppose both are explainable

Kenny Powders
07-04-2011, 10:29 AM
I like 2/3 of the pitching match ups. Nice to rebound and get a series win

Jay
07-04-2011, 11:32 AM
I like 2/3 of the pitching match ups. Nice to rebound and get a series win

The Sox offense can negate whatever advantage we have in the pitching matchups with relative ease. This is a World Series class team, its going to be a three-game grind.

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 01:41 PM
Davis of all people just won me a bet of the Jays scoring 1st in the game by himself

Dol-Fan
07-04-2011, 01:45 PM
Davis of all people just won me a bet of the Jays scoring 1st in the game by himself

Davis' speed is killer when he's on. The guy can pretty much score runs by himself. Too bad he can't get on base...maybe him finding god will be the turning point :shrug:

BBB
07-04-2011, 01:46 PM
Why are the Jays wearing the Canada caps today? Stupid imo.

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 01:59 PM
Hill with a bomb
and Snider with a 2B

I love how excited buck got.. its one AB man

StealingSigns
07-04-2011, 02:04 PM
Maybe the offense really is turning it around? Nice to see Hill and Snider contributing.

Bombtista
07-04-2011, 02:05 PM
Well its a big start for Snider. Getting that first hit is huge. Hopefully he can keep it going

BBB
07-04-2011, 02:05 PM
Maybe the offense really is turning it around? Nice to see Hill and Snider contributing.

And McDonald. Crazy, i know..

Bombtista
07-04-2011, 02:10 PM
Redemption for Molina there! that was a big play

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 02:27 PM
another double for Snider... and man Lackey sucks so much

rapsjaysfan88
07-04-2011, 02:28 PM
welcome back travis :)

Bombtista
07-04-2011, 02:28 PM
This is the team we all expected at the beginning of the year! I love how Lackey is a Bust for the Sox and their money to go out and buy every proven player.

Steely McBeam
07-04-2011, 02:30 PM
ahh this had made my work day so much more enjoyable so far

Dol-Fan
07-04-2011, 02:30 PM
another double for Snider... and man Lackey sucks so much

what the hell happened to him? he is awful.

I'll give tons of credit to our guys though. I still don't believe in Hill, but having Snider performing up to his potential will be huge for the success of this team, present and future. I love seeing him succeed.

imagine Lawrie comes up and plays the way many expect him to, the middle of our lineup could be so beast...especially with the L/R splits.

Yunel
Thames
Bautista
Lind
Lawrie
Snider

:drool:

Dol-Fan
07-04-2011, 02:32 PM
ahh this had made my work day so much more enjoyable so far

me too man...I haven't been getting any work done :D

rapsjaysfan88
07-04-2011, 02:32 PM
i hope we absolutely crush them for alittle payback

Steely McBeam
07-04-2011, 02:33 PM
^ me too, seems like a good guy and goes ball to the wall every play, hope it happens for him

rapsjaysfan88
07-04-2011, 02:42 PM
wow we should hire the batting coach from aaa ,sniders new swing is nice

Bombtista
07-04-2011, 02:42 PM
what the hell happened to him? he is awful.

I'll give tons of credit to our guys though. I still don't believe in Hill, but having Snider performing up to his potential will be huge for the success of this team, present and future. I love seeing him succeed.

imagine Lawrie comes up and plays the way many expect him to, the middle of our lineup could be so beast...especially with the L/R splits.

Yunel
Thames
Bautista
Lind
Lawrie
Snider

:drool:

Good point, those L/R splits have been something our team has been missing all year. And with Hill and Encarnaceon playing better our team looks pretty damn good

Steely McBeam
07-04-2011, 02:44 PM
is it that different? I have no visual...

Dol-Fan
07-04-2011, 02:46 PM
Good point, those L/R splits have been something our team has been missing all year. And with Hill and Encarnaceon playing better our team looks pretty damn good

How do you get Encarnacion into the lineup when Lawrie comes up, though? I love seeing him play well...he really beasts as a DH it seems, but do you have to shove Snider in CF to get him in there? I'm not sure I like that...an outfield of Thames-Snider-Bautista is putrid defensively.

Dol-Fan
07-04-2011, 02:48 PM
wow we should hire the batting coach from aaa ,sniders new swing is nice

how different does it really look? any way you could get into the mechanics for those of us that are following gamecast?

Bombtista
07-04-2011, 02:51 PM
How do you get Encarnacion into the lineup when Lawrie comes up, though? I love seeing him play well...he really beasts as a DH it seems, but do you have to shove Snider in CF to get him in there? I'm not sure I like that...an outfield of Thames-Snider-Bautista is putrid defensively.

Yeah it looks like some kind of move will have to be made once Lawrie comes up. With Thames, Snider, Bautista, Davis and Patterson in the outfield its pretty crowded.

Im assuming AA might try to package Rivera with someone soon enough because he will certainly get picked up on waivers if a deal is not made. He has hit Lefties pretty well so he is not useless and could grab some kind of return, especially if he is packaged with another one of those outfeilders we are running out of room for.

When it comes to Encarnaceon i think we can keep him as a DH for now as long as he is playing the way he is.

rapsjaysfan88
07-04-2011, 02:54 PM
lower to the ground,shortened up swing with much better plate coverage.something similiar to thames. im no expert but just my opinion

500 Level
07-04-2011, 02:54 PM
How do you get Encarnacion into the lineup when Lawrie comes up, though? I love seeing him play well...he really beasts as a DH it seems, but do you have to shove Snider in CF to get him in there? I'm not sure I like that...an outfield of Thames-Snider-Bautista is putrid defensively.

Encarncion is like the B/F that hits you. Once he stops you think he's changed until he starts hitting you again. The bench is fine for him.

Dol-Fan
07-04-2011, 02:58 PM
Encarncion is like the B/F that hits you. Once he stops you think he's changed until he starts hitting you again. The bench is fine for him.

solid analogy :laugh2: I can't say that I'd be one to sacrifice OF defense just to get him in as a DH. I'd rather see Davis in CF and one of Thames/Snider DH.

is Youk injured from that HBP? just saw that Navarro is running for him...and I can't think that they're giving up on the game already.

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 03:14 PM
wow we should hire the batting coach from aaa ,sniders new swing is nice

i think its Matolla.. i was thinking befor the game that we should have him replace Murphy who I really dont think knows much other than "see your first strike and hit it"

Bob Loblaw
07-04-2011, 03:17 PM
with his speed and power how is that Ellsburys 1st triple this year

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 03:19 PM
here we ****ing go again... catch the ball u fat ***

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 03:21 PM
are you ****ing kidding me.. 4 ****ing runs with 2 outs and no on.. how the **** do u manage that

rapsjaysfan88
07-04-2011, 03:24 PM
wtf happened..morrow was cruising

serratedmuffin
07-04-2011, 03:27 PM
wtf happened..morrow was cruising

Another bad read by Davis, sorta like the Rivera miss. Molina passes a ball as well. Crap defense was the main culprit.

Bombtista
07-04-2011, 03:27 PM
3 doubles! what a come back. The comeback kids from last year are showing what they can do

Eagles4Lyfe
07-04-2011, 03:28 PM
Snider back to beasting again

T.O.Bombinators
07-04-2011, 03:30 PM
looks like my boy snider is back, 3 doubles now, hope he can continue this for the rest of the year

toronto#1fan
07-04-2011, 03:30 PM
Tht a boy T

Dol-Fan
07-04-2011, 03:30 PM
Another bad read by Davis, sorta like the Rivera miss. Molina passes a ball as well. Crap defense was the main culprit.

thanks for shedding some light on the situation. I decided to wait to respond until someone who thinks rationally posted about that stinker of an inning.

BBB
07-04-2011, 03:34 PM
Ughh Johnny Mac....

Dol-Fan
07-04-2011, 03:35 PM
Ughh Johnny Mac....

We need Esco back :(

Dol-Fan
07-04-2011, 03:41 PM
according to gamecast...those last two pitches to Papi were strikes.

Bombtista
07-04-2011, 03:44 PM
Ughh Johnny Mac....

Johnny is best kept as the hero off the bench who we all love to see come in once in a while

rapsjaysfan88
07-04-2011, 03:50 PM
perez with ice water in the veins takes care of business

Dol-Fan
07-04-2011, 03:53 PM
perez with ice water in the veins takes care of business

and bomber disappears until something bad happens again...

T.O. Fan
07-04-2011, 04:04 PM
At work, how has Snider been today? What position is he playing?

rapsjaysfan88
07-04-2011, 04:05 PM
rf,awesome 3-3 3 doubles:)

T.O. Fan
07-04-2011, 04:07 PM
rf,awesome 3-3 3 doubles:)

Awesome! :cheers:

rapsjaysfan88
07-04-2011, 04:10 PM
also 2rbi

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 04:17 PM
got to get A-Gon out here

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 04:18 PM
DP.. great job

PJ Awesome
07-04-2011, 04:22 PM
Why is Snider doing well, you ask? it's alllll in the mustache.

nstojic
07-04-2011, 04:35 PM
Why is Snider doing well, you ask? it's alllll in the mustache.

bingo (bingo)

BBB
07-04-2011, 04:58 PM
US navy heckler.. omg...

rapsjaysfan88
07-04-2011, 05:00 PM
please save this ff

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 05:02 PM
here comes the great Frank

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 05:04 PM
and again these idiots cant make any plays on defense

BBB
07-04-2011, 05:04 PM
Hill, you had that.. smh...

Bombtista
07-04-2011, 05:04 PM
Thats the last thing you need in the 9th. c'mon boys

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 05:05 PM
2-0 to pedrioa,, yup he's gonna bllow it

i dunno why we insist on putting a bad pitcher on the mound in the 9th

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 05:06 PM
why the **** are we not holding elsbury

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 05:07 PM
strikeout..

Bombtista
07-04-2011, 05:08 PM
why the **** are we not holding elsbury

because his run doesnt matter and throwing him out is riskier than not

PJ Awesome
07-04-2011, 05:08 PM
Francisco scares me...

BBB
07-04-2011, 05:09 PM
Lets go Franky! Prove your doubters wrong!

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 05:09 PM
throw a breaking ball here

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 05:10 PM
because his run doesnt matter and throwing him out is riskier than not

there are no outs which means there is always the possibility of the DP.. especially with Gonzo

another strikeout.. breaking ball

Bombtista
07-04-2011, 05:10 PM
Oh baby! thats it, now for a weak youkillis replacement, its our game

Rotator
07-04-2011, 05:11 PM
because his run doesnt matter and throwing him out is riskier than not

if as you say his run doesn't matter why would throwing the ball away on the play matter?

You lose the double play and I don't see why teams always seem to let this happen in the 9th.

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 05:12 PM
now a splitter

BBB
07-04-2011, 05:12 PM
Frank is BEASTING!

bomber0104
07-04-2011, 05:12 PM
there you go.. game

BBB
07-04-2011, 05:12 PM
**** yeah!

Rotator
07-04-2011, 05:13 PM
come on who saw frank coming in and K'ing the side?

StayOnBoard
07-04-2011, 05:13 PM
2-0 to pedrioa,, yup he's gonna bllow it

i dunno why we insist on putting a bad pitcher on the mound in the 9th

He struck out the side :rolleyes:

rapsjaysfan88
07-04-2011, 05:13 PM
nice

BBB
07-04-2011, 05:14 PM
2-0 to pedrioa,, yup he's gonna bllow it

i dunno why we insist on putting a bad pitcher on the mound in the 9th

lololol

Bombtista
07-04-2011, 05:15 PM
if as you say his run doesn't matter why would throwing the ball away on the play matter?

You lose the double play and I don't see why teams always seem to let this happen in the 9th.

Ellisbury is likely going to beat the throw anyway even though he has been caught 10 times this season. The focus needs to be on the batter and opening any defensive holes can make good hitters even more effective. Also a throw away could result in a run scored on the play which is not what you want.

2009mvp
07-04-2011, 05:28 PM
Francisco looked pretty filthy right there. Shaky few innings in the middle there but a win in Fenway is never easy.

bartron_44
07-04-2011, 06:10 PM
wow we should hire the batting coach from aaa ,sniders new swing is nice

x2

craigerlee
07-04-2011, 06:29 PM
I only saw the highlights of Snider, but from what I saw it still looks like he is flipping the bat, I don't know how much power he's gonna be able to generate if he's lifting one hand off the bat right around contact. His stance does look more open and his swing does look slightly shorter, so hopefully that will allow him to see the ball better and make more contact. However I'm still not sure if that swing is gonna generate a lot HR's. The changes looked pretty minor to me, I still don't understand why he couldn't of worked on this swing in the MLB, we coulda moved Bautista to 3rd or put EE there and I still think Snider would of gave us at least the same production as Nix.

Bombtista
07-04-2011, 06:33 PM
I only saw the highlights of Snider, but from what I saw it still looks like he is flipping the bat, I don't know how much power he's gonna be able to generate if he's lifting one hand off the bat right around contact. His stance does look more open and his swing does look slightly shorter, so hopefully that will allow him to see the ball better and make more contact. However I'm still not sure if that swing is gonna generate a lot HR's. The changes looked pretty minor to me, I still don't understand why he couldn't of worked on this swing in the MLB, we coulda moved Bautista to 3rd or put EE there and I still think Snider would of gave us at least the same production as Nix.

Yeah i noticed that too, seems like a cut and slash kind of approach. Hes a big guy so im sure the power will come. Look at hunter pence, same kind of approach i think

Rotator
07-04-2011, 06:34 PM
Ellisbury is likely going to beat the throw anyway even though he has been caught 10 times this season. The focus needs to be on the batter and opening any defensive holes can make good hitters even more effective. Also a throw away could result in a run scored on the play which is not what you want.

Sorry but I still don't believe in giving away the double play. Why is he likely to beat the throw if as you said he already had 10 caught stealings so far?

I have just seen a lot of teams do this the last few years and it doesn't make any sense to me with only a 2-3 run lead. If you are up by 4 or 5 ok but not in a 2 run game when the batter at the plate represents the tying run.

Not picking on your opinion here per say, but I just don't like con-seeding the steal, and giving up the potential double play is all I'm trying to say.

Bombtista
07-04-2011, 06:39 PM
Sorry but I still don't believe in giving away the double play. Why is he likely to beat the throw if as you said he already had 10 caught stealings so far?

I have just seen a lot of teams do this the last few years and it doesn't make any sense to me with only a 2-3 run lead. If you are up by 4 or 5 ok but not in a 2 run game when the batter at the plate represents the tying run.

Not picking on your opinion here per say, but I just don't like con-seeding the steal, and giving up the potential double play is all I'm trying to say.

No i see your point for sure and holding him on wouldnt have been a bad idea but i think the Blue Jays didnt for the reasons i mentioned.

craigerlee
07-04-2011, 06:42 PM
Sorry but I still don't believe in giving away the double play. Why is he likely to beat the throw if as you said he already had 10 caught stealings so far?

I have just seen a lot of teams do this the last few years and it doesn't make any sense to me with only a 2-3 run lead. If you are up by 4 or 5 ok but not in a 2 run game when the batter at the plate represents the tying run.

Not picking on your opinion here per say, but I just don't like con-seeding the steal, and giving up the potential double play is all I'm trying to say.

The double play isn't easy to turn with Ellsbury on the base paths and Pedroia at the plate. The focus has to be on the batters at the plate, they are the only runs that matter. You have to prevent them from getting on base.

Bob Loblaw
07-04-2011, 07:19 PM
I only saw the highlights of Snider, but from what I saw it still looks like he is flipping the bat, I don't know how much power he's gonna be able to generate if he's lifting one hand off the bat right around contact. His stance does look more open and his swing does look slightly shorter, so hopefully that will allow him to see the ball better and make more contact. However I'm still not sure if that swing is gonna generate a lot HR's. The changes looked pretty minor to me, I still don't understand why he couldn't of worked on this swing in the MLB, we coulda moved Bautista to 3rd or put EE there and I still think Snider would of gave us at least the same production as Nix.

Ya, Zaun was on Bob Macowans show after the game saying the same thing. But hey it worked today so cant be too critical.

Bob Loblaw
07-04-2011, 07:22 PM
OT- I was checking out the boxscores from todays games and saw Marcum went 1/2 today with a Grand Slam and 5 rbis. BP cost him the win though.

nstojic
07-04-2011, 08:47 PM
Shortstop Yunel Escobar, hit in the left hand Friday night, is getting better and did some early work under the watchful eyes of coach Luis Rivera and trainer George Poulis, but still missed his third straight game.

"He’s improved, took some swings off the tee, he’s not going to hit live (Monday), that will hopefully be the case tomorrow as a successive progression, and then projecting that, he’ll be in the lineup on Wednesday," said manager John Farrell. "Everything is moving in the right direction."

sportsnet (sportsnet)

deathnote
07-05-2011, 01:22 AM
Sorry but I still don't believe in giving away the double play. Why is he likely to beat the throw if as you said he already had 10 caught stealings so far?

I have just seen a lot of teams do this the last few years and it doesn't make any sense to me with only a 2-3 run lead. If you are up by 4 or 5 ok but not in a 2 run game when the batter at the plate represents the tying run.

Not picking on your opinion here per say, but I just don't like con-seeding the steal, and giving up the potential double play is all I'm trying to say.

The reason is because holding a run greatly increases the chance of a hit being given up. First Lind has to play tight to the bag, limiting his range. Second either Macdonald or Hill would have to cover second if he takes off thus creating movement in the infield and creating holes. Also the pitcher will have to pitch out of the stretch in order to nail Ellsberry, taking him out of his more comfortable wind up. While its nice to keep the guy at first, when his run doesn't matter it doesnt make sense to try to hold him there.

bomber0104
07-05-2011, 11:24 AM
The reason is because holding a run greatly increases the chance of a hit being given up. First Lind has to play tight to the bag, limiting his range. Second either Macdonald or Hill would have to cover second if he takes off thus creating movement in the infield and creating holes. Also the pitcher will have to pitch out of the stretch in order to nail Ellsberry, taking him out of his more comfortable wind up. While its nice to keep the guy at first, when his run doesn't matter it doesnt make sense to try to hold him there.

or instead of a possible DP ball, the guy only makes one out and you end up giving up the lead with 2 outs when the game should have been over

craigerlee
07-05-2011, 11:36 AM
or instead of a possible DP ball, the guy only makes one out and you end up giving up the lead with 2 outs when the game should have been over

What happens if they put a hit and run on? Ellsbury is on the move anyways, and gets to 2nd, and you just opened way more holes on your defence, increasing the chance the tying run gets aboard. All to protect a run that won't matter if Francisco does his job and gets next 3 outs without giving up a 2nd run in the inning.

Steely McBeam
07-05-2011, 11:38 AM
tough one tonight with lester on the mound. Hopefully cecil can keep them in the game long enough to give them a realistic shot at winning.

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 12:41 PM
I only saw the highlights of Snider, but from what I saw it still looks like he is flipping the bat, I don't know how much power he's gonna be able to generate if he's lifting one hand off the bat right around contact. His stance does look more open and his swing does look slightly shorter, so hopefully that will allow him to see the ball better and make more contact. However I'm still not sure if that swing is gonna generate a lot HR's. The changes looked pretty minor to me, I still don't understand why he couldn't of worked on this swing in the MLB, we coulda moved Bautista to 3rd or put EE there and I still think Snider would of gave us at least the same production as Nix.

http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110704&content_id=21389144&notebook_id=21389684&vkey=notebook_tor&c_id=tor

take a look at sniders double posted in the middle of the page. that pitch was on the outside corner, and snider pulled it without flipping over. thats the adjustment he made down in the minors, his bat stayed compact, and his stance remained sturdy (mostly due to how strong he is), and he yanked that thing down the line. idk about the other doubles cuz i didnt watch the replays carefully, but in this one you can see that he didnt flip over, he kept his bat compact, and used his strength.

North Yorker
07-05-2011, 02:50 PM
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/rpi/_/sort/sos

I guess this is a positive outlook on the season so far, where with all the demotions of young guys(Cecil/Drabek/Snider) and injuries(Morrow/Francisco/Lind/Yunel/Bautista/Lawrie/Litsch), that we are still playing close to .500 ball despite playing the toughest Strength of Schedule in the league (tied with BOS).

North Yorker
07-05-2011, 03:57 PM
Lineup:

Davis CF
Patterson LF
Bautista 3B
Lind 1B
Escobar SS
Encarnacion DH
Snider RF
Arencibia C
McDonald 2B

Wow. Thames is out, Patt is in. Rajai in the leadoff spot over Yunel, who slides down to the 5 spot. Hill finally gets his day off, Jmac in at 2B.

Reasons for the changes Im guessing are:

Patt is hitting .389 with a HR vs Lester
Hill is hitting .063, yikes, JMAc hitting .294 with a HR

Twitchy
07-05-2011, 04:00 PM
Now that's a bizarre lineup if I've ever seen one.

Bombtista
07-05-2011, 04:03 PM
Lineup:

Davis CF
Patterson LF
Bautista 3B
Lind 1B
Escobar SS
Encarnacion DH
Snider RF
Arencibia C
McDonald 2B

Wow. Thames is out, Patt is in. Rajai in the leadoff spot over Yunel, who slides down to the 5 spot. Hill finally gets his day off, Jmac in at 2B.

Reasons for the changes Im guessing are:

Patt is hitting .389 with a HR vs Lester
Hill is hitting .063, yikes, JMAc hitting .294 with a HR

Seems like the best lineup we can put out there based on the above personal stats vs Lester. Also we have two hot hitters on the bench if needed later in the game. Although Arencibia needs to be hitting higher than 8th even though his stats dont imply that he should.

Dol-Fan
07-05-2011, 04:06 PM
Now that's a bizarre lineup if I've ever seen one.

I guess with the Patterson matchup it kind of makes sense, but I really think Thames has deserved the opportunity to play every day.

I'm also a little puzzled with Rajai leading off, but he's been hot and the 9hole is taken up by McDonald so I guess it's the best spot for him. Yunel at 5 doesn't seem right. If you're going to roll out that lineup, I'm going with this with a lefty on the mound...

Davis
Esco
Bautista
Lind
EE
Snider
Arencibia
Patterson
McDonald

nstojic
07-05-2011, 04:06 PM
AA will be on Mccowan's show, @ 5:40, I believe..

fatkev78
07-05-2011, 04:08 PM
AA will be on Mccowan's show, @ 5:40, I believe..

Nice, thanks!

North Yorker
07-05-2011, 04:12 PM
I guess with the Patterson matchup it kind of makes sense, but I really think Thames has deserved the opportunity to play every day.

I'm also a little puzzled with Rajai leading off, but he's been hot and the 9hole is taken up by McDonald so I guess it's the best spot for him. Yunel at 5 doesn't seem right. If you're going to roll out that lineup, I'm going with this with a lefty on the mound...

Davis
Esco
Bautista
Lind
EE
Snider
Arencibia
Patterson
McDonald

Yea that wouldnt be bad but you know Farrell loves to have a LH fastball hitter in the 2 spot.

nstojic
07-05-2011, 04:13 PM
also, Esmith, had Zaun on, an hour and a half, ago.... zaun was very critical of the jays sending snider down.. said he saw no differences in snider's swing, yesterday.. says they should have just left him at the major league level because that's where guys have to prove they can become what you project them to be.. says just give them 400 ABs and leave them alone.. says snider has all the confidence in the world, so going down wasn't needed to build his confidence back up....

Dol-Fan
07-05-2011, 04:15 PM
Yea that wouldnt be bad but you know Farrell loves to have a LH fastball hitter in the 2 spot.

I get that...just think that the 'rule' can be change a bit when you've got a lefty on the mound. Especially a lefty that's likely to go deep in the game.

Bombtista
07-05-2011, 04:16 PM
Bostons Lineup is

Ellisbury CF
Scutaro SS
Gonzalez 1B
Pedroia 2B
Ortiz DH
McDonald LF
Varitek C
Drew RF
Navarro 3B

It looks like one of the weaker lineups Boston has put out all year long. After Ortiz the lineup doesnt have the same kind of threat that we have previously seen in the season. I guess Youks getting another day off from that HBP yesterday

bomber0104
07-05-2011, 04:25 PM
Bostons Lineup is

Ellisbury CF
Scutaro SS
Gonzalez 1B
Pedroia 2B
Ortiz DH
McDonald LF
Varitek C
Drew RF
Navarro 3B

It looks like one of the weaker lineups Boston has put out all year long. After Ortiz the lineup doesnt have the same kind of threat that we have previously seen in the season. I guess Youks getting another day off from that HBP yesterday

Varitek always finds a way to light us up and Navarro is a very good hittter.. i do agree though missing Lowrie, Crawford, and youkilis can take some shine off any offense

Twitchy
07-05-2011, 04:41 PM
I guess with the Patterson matchup it kind of makes sense, but I really think Thames has deserved the opportunity to play every day.

I don't like matchups based on what, 10-15 at bats.


I'm also a little puzzled with Rajai leading off, but he's been hot and the 9hole is taken up by McDonald so I guess it's the best spot for him. Yunel at 5 doesn't seem right. If you're going to roll out that lineup, I'm going with this with a lefty on the mound...

Davis
Esco
Bautista
Lind
EE
Snider
Arencibia
Patterson
McDonald

If it was me, and it's not...

Escobar
Thames
Bautista
Lind
EE
Arencibia (only vs LHP though)
Snider
Davis
McDonald/Hill


also, Esmith, had Zaun on, an hour and a half, ago.... zaun was very critical of the jays sending snider down.. said he saw no differences in snider's swing, yesterday.. says they should have just left him at the major league level because that's where guys have to prove they can become what you project them to be.. says just give them 400 ABs and leave them alone.. says snider has all the confidence in the world, so going down wasn't needed to build his confidence back up....

And Zaun continues to deliver with the quality analysis. How soon till he replaces Tabby/Buck haha.

rapsjaysfan88
07-05-2011, 04:47 PM
why is patterson replacing thames..

North Yorker
07-05-2011, 04:49 PM
meh Zaun is hit and miss. He whined about how Overbay wasnt given a fair chance, and was against moving Bautista to 3B in order to get Thames at bats.

He says stupid things sometimes.

North Yorker
07-05-2011, 04:53 PM
why is patterson replacing thames..

He's hitting .389 with a HR vs Lester

Twitchy
07-05-2011, 05:10 PM
meh Zaun is hit and miss. He whined about how Overbay wasnt given a fair chance, and was against moving Bautista to 3B in order to get Thames at bats.

He says stupid things sometimes.

And he's right about both of those points. I don't have an issue with Bautista at 3B, but they could have kept him in RF and still had Thames/Snider getting the AB's from DH/LF.

North Yorker
07-05-2011, 05:24 PM
And he's right about both of those points. I don't have an issue with Bautista at 3B, but they could have kept him in RF and still had Thames/Snider getting the AB's from DH/LF.

Im assuming you're suggesting that EE should be the starting 3B? I dont agree with that but whatever.

And not to get too off topic but how was Overbay not given a fair shot?

2009mvp
07-05-2011, 05:29 PM
25 runs in the last 4 games clearly isn't good enough, time to shake up the entire lineup based on a bunch on crazy small sample sizes against Lester. For **** sakes man....

Twitchy
07-05-2011, 05:43 PM
Im assuming you're suggesting that EE should be the starting 3B? I dont agree with that but whatever.

The team defense is worse with Bautista @ 3rd and Snider/Thames on the corners then E5 at 3rd and Snider/Bautista on the corners (Thames DH). We saw several examples of this the past week when Thames/Patterson were screwing up on routine plays.


And not to get too off topic but how was Overbay not given a fair shot?

Because he was a good 1B 3/5 years and everyone treated him like he was a scrub. He shouldn't have been playing vs LHP, but that's not really his fault that he was penciled in the lineup everyday.

2009mvp
07-05-2011, 05:51 PM
Lineup: scratch Escobar. Mcdonald hitting 8th at SS, McCoy hitting 9th at 2B
http://twitter.com/BlueJays/status/88361160830746625

This could get ugly

North Yorker
07-05-2011, 06:06 PM
The team defense is worse with Bautista @ 3rd and Snider/Thames on the corners then E5 at 3rd and Snider/Bautista on the corners (Thames DH). We saw several examples of this the past week when Thames/Patterson were screwing up on routine plays.


Didnt Bautista and Patt mess up routene fly ball(s) as well? And I refuse to believe that Bautista isnt an upgrade over EE at 3B, defense wise.

Because he was a good 1B 3/5 years and everyone treated him like he was a scrub. He shouldn't have been playing vs LHP, but that's not really his fault that he was penciled in the lineup everyday.

He wasnt a scrub, he was a disappointment after his 06 year. He was given plenty of opportunities here. He was a good defensive 1B with inconsistent offence.

Zaun was saying how the coaches werent giving him a fair shake, and thats BS. If you're a starting 1B that should be platooned then you got problems.

tuck25
07-05-2011, 06:24 PM
And Zaun continues to deliver with the quality analysis. How soon till he replaces Tabby/Buck haha.

If he keeps critizing the Front offices moves he might never...lol

Jays Claw
07-05-2011, 06:27 PM
Lester will dominate tonight's game with ease. Farrell has simply lost his way of managing a lineup card.

Farsight
07-05-2011, 06:30 PM
Didnt Bautista and Patt mess up routene fly ball(s) as well? And I refuse to believe that Bautista isnt an upgrade over EE at 3B, defense wise.


He wasnt a scrub, he was a disappointment after his 06 year. He was given plenty of opportunities here. He was a good defensive 1B with inconsistent offence.

Zaun was saying how the coaches werent giving him a fair shake, and thats BS. If you're a starting 1B that should be platooned then you got problems.
Both Bautista and Encarnacion are horrible defenders at 3rd base. Not including this year, Encarnacion and Bautista have almost identical UZR/150 over their careers, with Encarnacion playing a lot more innings at 3rd than Bautista. If Bautista plays 3rd for a few seasons, his defensive might project to be just as bad as Encarnacion

Farsight
07-05-2011, 06:32 PM
If he keeps critizing the Front offices moves he might never...lolMaybe, but hes a lot better than Buck and Tabler, who are kiss *****. I completely agreed with Zaun about the jays sending Snider down. I agreed with him more so than any other jays writers (Shi Dividi), or commentators

Twitchy
07-05-2011, 06:36 PM
Didnt Bautista and Patt mess up routene fly ball(s) as well? And I refuse to believe that Bautista isnt an upgrade over EE at 3B, defense wise.

It's not just about Bautista vs Encarnacion. It's the drop off from Thames in RF to Bautista as well.


He wasnt a scrub, he was a disappointment after his 06 year. He was given plenty of opportunities here. He was a good defensive 1B with inconsistent offence.


Which is exactly my point. He had the wrist injury in 07 which accounts for that poor performance. In 08 he had an 865 OPS vs RHP. He followed that up with a 905 OPS vs RHP in 2009. He sucked in 2010.

So again, you just proved my point. He was bad during the year he was playing through a wrist injury and 2010. When he was healthy, he was very productive vs RHP. He shouldn't have been playing vs LHP, but blame Cito/Gibbons for that.

I'm not going to call a guy who was an 850-900 OPS bat vs RHP a disappointment. So when you say he is, I'd tend to agree with Zaun that he isn't given a fair chance by the fans.


Zaun was saying how the coaches werent giving him a fair shake, and thats BS. If you're a starting 1B that should be platooned then you got problems.

No, that's not a problem to be platooned if you're the 1B, or any position for that matter.

rapsjaysfan88
07-05-2011, 06:47 PM
zaun just broke down the lineup, made alot of sense. hill has been good lately and struggles against lester, so they want to keep him hot. patterson crushes lester and plays better wall d.

Bombtista
07-05-2011, 06:54 PM
Mike McCoy in for John McDonald.

Nick O
07-05-2011, 06:59 PM
Maybe, but hes a lot better than Buck and Tabler, who are kiss *****. I completely agreed with Zaun about the jays sending Snider down. I agreed with him more so than any other jays writers (Shi Dividi), or commentators

same

PJ Awesome
07-05-2011, 06:59 PM
Escobar has been scratched

bomber0104
07-05-2011, 07:03 PM
Maybe, but hes a lot better than Buck and Tabler, who are kiss *****. I completely agreed with Zaun about the jays sending Snider down. I agreed with him more so than any other jays writers (Shi Dividi), or commentators

for sure.. I know its their job but I hate how they kept on making excuses for Cecil when he was struggling and how after one inning in his last start, they made it seem like the guy has been here all year and never lost it

not to mention how they applaud every Hill hit like he is having an MVP season.. a 2 hit game doesn't mean the guy is hot when he is hitting .240 for the year

Nick O
07-05-2011, 07:06 PM
for sure.. I know its their job but I hate how they kept on making excuses for Cecil when he was struggling and how after one inning in his last start, they made it seem like the guy has been here all year and never lost it

not to mention how they applaud every Hill hit like he is having an MVP season.. a 2 hit game doesn't mean the guy is hot when he is hitting .240 for the year

lol true if escpecially with the hill thing.... i know they are BLUE JAY broadcasters but be a little less biased :P

North Yorker
07-05-2011, 07:07 PM
I'm not going to call a guy who was an 850-900 OPS bat vs RHP a disappointment. So when you say he is, I'd tend to agree with Zaun that he isn't given a fair chance by the fans.



No, that's not a problem to be platooned if you're the 1B, or any position for that matter.


Zaun didnt mention the fans, he was talking directly about Overbay and the coaching staff, thats my point.

town123
07-05-2011, 07:22 PM
25 runs in the last 4 games clearly isn't good enough, time to shake up the entire lineup based on a bunch on crazy small sample sizes against Lester. For **** sakes man....

I guess he's conceding. No mas. No mas. After all, what other reason could he have for protecting Hill and Thames from this monster called Lester.

I guess Snider doesnt' merit the kid gloves.

bomber0104
07-05-2011, 07:23 PM
no stuff and no command early for Cecil.. i really dont see any change...

fastball sitting at 89 now should tail to around 86 in a few innings and he'll get hit like a pinata again

Nick O
07-05-2011, 07:36 PM
lol epic fall

The_Jet11
07-05-2011, 07:40 PM
Corey "Chicken-sh:t" Patterson lets another catchable ball fall... get rid of this guy!

Nick O
07-05-2011, 07:42 PM
Corey "Chicken-sh:t" Patterson lets another catchable ball fall... get rid of this guy!

catchable?? the ball hit like a quarter way up the green monster..... not many coulda made that play...

Twitchy
07-05-2011, 07:48 PM
Zaun didnt mention the fans, he was talking directly about Overbay and the coaching staff, thats my point.

I didn't hear the original quote. All I saw was the part about Overbay wasn't given a fair chance. Didn't see you put it the second time.

Nick O
07-05-2011, 07:58 PM
i wonder if they are gonna hate on Patterson for not getting to that pedroia Home Run too :P

North Yorker
07-05-2011, 08:00 PM
This is shaping up exactly like the Sunday game vs Phillie.

They get one more run, and we have them right where we want them :smoking:

Toxeryll
07-05-2011, 08:03 PM
i wonder if we'll get a hit today

craigerlee
07-05-2011, 08:12 PM
looks like lesters done. May have caught a break this game.

Toxeryll
07-05-2011, 08:13 PM
wow, were getting a break, hopefully lesters done

North Yorker
07-05-2011, 08:15 PM
so you're saying there's a chance... (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0JjK2c-5-N0/Sx_jiEha7mI/AAAAAAAAD3I/yw1FQU16BjU/s320/a_chance.jpeg)

that we win this game now?

rapsjaysfan88
07-05-2011, 08:16 PM
its disappointing how lousy cecil has been this year..he was really fun to watch last year.

hntrr31
07-05-2011, 08:25 PM
When you consider that five of the nine players in the starting lineup shouldn't be playing, the score really comes as no surprise.

rapsjaysfan88
07-05-2011, 08:37 PM
man put thames and hill back in...ugh

nstojic
07-05-2011, 08:39 PM
no stuff and no command early for Cecil.. i really dont see any change...


i can't disagree... cecil with decreased velocity from the start.. snider with a busted up swing.. both go down.. we're told they've worked hard and have changed.. both come back up.. both look the exact same.. cecil's flat FB sits at 87-89.. snider's still swinging predominantly with his bottom hand..


:confused:

Tmath
07-05-2011, 08:40 PM
This is pretty sad.

Nick O
07-05-2011, 08:42 PM
i can't disagree... Cecil with decreased velocity from the start.. Snider with a busted up swing.. Both go down.. We're told they've worked hard and have changed.. Both come back up.. Both look the exact same.. Cecil's flat fb sits at 87-89.. Snider's still swinging predominantly with his bottom hand..


:confused:

thiiissssss

Nick O
07-05-2011, 08:46 PM
why are our announcers so dumb?? that pitcher is getting warmed up for the next inning.... not for snider

Toxeryll
07-05-2011, 08:46 PM
OMG!! patterson does it again!

rapsjaysfan88
07-05-2011, 08:47 PM
wow nice pat

hntrr31
07-05-2011, 08:47 PM
Cut. the. chump.

Toxeryll
07-05-2011, 08:48 PM
why are our announcers so dumb?? that pitcher is getting warmed up for the next inning.... not for snider

actually i think theyre right. theyre looking for the lefty lefty matchup. if lind and encarnacion gets on

North Yorker
07-05-2011, 08:48 PM
:facepalm:

Tmath
07-05-2011, 08:55 PM
Cut. the. chump.

Which one? :rolleyes:

King Rick
07-05-2011, 09:02 PM
i can't disagree... cecil with decreased velocity from the start.. snider with a busted up swing.. both go down.. we're told they've worked hard and have changed.. both come back up.. both look the exact same.. cecil's flat FB sits at 87-89.. snider's still swinging predominantly with his bottom hand..


:confused:

Don't hate on Snider... Remember for the last 2 weeks people having been whining and moaning about how Rivera should be gone and Snider should be up here... Now he's up here... Still proving he can't hack it.... I want Rivera back tyvm

Nick O
07-05-2011, 09:03 PM
Don't hate on Snider... Remember for the last 2 weeks people having been whining and moaning about how Rivera should be gone and Snider should be up here... Now he's up here... Still proving he can't hack it.... I want Rivera back tyvm

me too tbh

rapsjaysfan88
07-05-2011, 09:07 PM
no one is hitting..not just snider

Toxeryll
07-05-2011, 09:08 PM
wow, i cant believe you guys are jays fans. why do u want a guy who doesnt have a future with the jays getting atbats over the young guy who was promised hell get regular atbats at the end of the spring training. and remember this is still a rebuilding year

hntrr31
07-05-2011, 09:08 PM
Snider >>>> Rivera

nstojic
07-05-2011, 09:10 PM
Don't hate on Snider... Remember for the last 2 weeks people having been whining and moaning about how Rivera should be gone and Snider should be up here... Now he's up here... Still proving he can't hack it.... I want Rivera back tyvm

not hating on snider but just stating the obvious, i guess.. look at those swings... his 3rd double, yesterday was a pretty, two-handed, rip.. reminded me of delgado.. come to think of it, delgado and snider have very similar swings.. even carlos, would do the one-handed swing, here and there, if he was fooled on the pitch..

rapsjaysfan88
07-05-2011, 09:12 PM
gj cecil

nstojic
07-05-2011, 09:14 PM
wow, i cant believe you guys are jays fans. why do u want a guy who doesnt have a future with the jays getting atbats over the young guy who was promised hell get regular atbats at the end of the spring training. and remember this is still a rebuilding year

i can't speak for the others but i'm not saying snider shouldn't be in there... just saying, simply, that, on the surface, his swing doesn't look 'fixed'.. that's all.. believe me, i expected this to be a year where we played all the specs that were 'close' and gave them the year to see what we had, in them.. and then start next off-season with adding FA's where we thought we had a hole and no reliable specs to fill it with and so on and so on.. until we had the 'all-star at every position', to quote AA, necessary to compete with the yanks/sox/rays..

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 09:16 PM
why was everyone in here *****ing about cecil? i just got home, and he only gave up 3 runs on 6 hits? sounds like a quality start..

Toxeryll
07-05-2011, 09:19 PM
why was everyone in here *****ing about cecil? i just got home, and he only gave up 3 runs on 6 hits? sounds like a quality start..

it wasnt pretty early but i think he did a good job

nstojic
07-05-2011, 09:21 PM
why was everyone in here *****ing about cecil? i just got home, and he only gave up 3 runs on 6 hits? sounds like a quality start..

i just questioned his velocity being the same as pre-demotion-cecil... but yeah, all in all, good line, this evening, considering...

i guess, that should be good enough :shrug: was for marcum..

Toxeryll
07-05-2011, 09:25 PM
ya, i thought cecils velocity was back. i didnt see his start against philly but i assuming he was sitting at high 80s also. maybe vegas's gun was fast

Nick O
07-05-2011, 09:26 PM
i dont think cecil is doin that bad....

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 09:29 PM
i just questioned his velocity being the same as pre-demotion-cecil... but yeah, all in all, good line, this evening, considering...

i guess, that should be good enough :shrug: was for marcum..

What was his fastball hitting?

Nick O
07-05-2011, 09:31 PM
What was his fastball hitting?

i think it averaged like 86-90 ish

Toxeryll
07-05-2011, 09:32 PM
What was his fastball hitting?

high 80s with his fastball, touched 90 a couple of times

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 09:33 PM
i think it averaged like 86-90 ish


high 80s with his fastball, touched 90 a couple of times

86, 87, 88 worries me, but if hes consistently hitting 89, 90ish its not too bad....i swear they said he got all his velocity back down in Vegas?

Nick O
07-05-2011, 09:35 PM
86, 87, 88 worries me, but if hes consistently hitting 89, 90ish its not too bad....i swear they said he got all his velocity back down in Vegas?

but he pitched a decent outing......

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 09:36 PM
Bau needs to come cluthc here.

Nick O
07-05-2011, 09:36 PM
nice catch on the foul ball :P

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 09:37 PM
but he pitched a decent outing......

Yah, he had a good outing, thats the 1st thing i said when i came here, i was wondering though whether hes got the velocity back or not.

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 09:37 PM
Called it!!!!!!!!

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 09:37 PM
Bau!!!!

Bob Loblaw
07-05-2011, 09:37 PM
wow Bautista with bomb, 3-2 now

makes that strike call that wasent to patterson that much bigger

Nick O
07-05-2011, 09:37 PM
Bautista bomb!!!!!!!!

JaysFan87
07-05-2011, 09:38 PM
oh jesus...

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 09:38 PM
Im good luck :D

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 09:39 PM
There goes Lind.

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 09:40 PM
Base hit EE.

Nick O
07-05-2011, 09:40 PM
way to go EE ! :)

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 09:41 PM
Oh snider BARELY missed that..

JaysFan87
07-05-2011, 09:41 PM
so close!!!!!

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 09:41 PM
Come clutch JP!

BlueJayFanDan
07-05-2011, 09:42 PM
Bautista seems to have caught fire again.

Nick O
07-05-2011, 09:42 PM
grrrr snider.....Come JP!!!

Nick O
07-05-2011, 09:45 PM
good eye .....

Bob Loblaw
07-05-2011, 09:45 PM
nice take JP too bad its up to JMac

Nick O
07-05-2011, 09:47 PM
Nooooooooooooo

2009mvp
07-05-2011, 09:47 PM
He didn't tag him!! What the ****?

Bob Loblaw
07-05-2011, 09:47 PM
throw beat him but didnt look like he tagged him

Nick O
07-05-2011, 09:47 PM
So close!!!!

Nick O
07-05-2011, 09:48 PM
Where was the tag!!!!!!

2009mvp
07-05-2011, 09:49 PM
Never mind. Damn E5, couldn't get that right leg on the plate???

Bob Loblaw
07-05-2011, 09:49 PM
didnt touch home either. wild play

Goalie31
07-05-2011, 09:49 PM
Head first maybe? ugh EE

Toxeryll
07-05-2011, 09:49 PM
he didnt tag him on time!! wow

JMac4PM
07-05-2011, 09:50 PM
he was safe....

BlueJayFanDan
07-05-2011, 09:50 PM
God damn I wish we had Hill on the bench to pinch run for EE. Ugh.

RapToronto95
07-05-2011, 09:51 PM
Cmon, don't dive foot first into the catchers foot :P ... Slide around it and use your hands

Chadsky
07-05-2011, 09:51 PM
he was friggin safe

serratedmuffin
07-05-2011, 09:51 PM
Only caught the ninth but I'm curious why they didn't pinch run E5 with McCoy? Seems like the obvious choice there?

toronto#1fan
07-05-2011, 09:51 PM
The umpire is blind for reallllllll r u kiddin varitek the old fart never touched him until encarnacion leg moved out of home plate, is he really tht retarder or didd the pressure of the sold out crowd get to him?

Bob Loblaw
07-05-2011, 09:52 PM
how about some props for JMac hits off Bard and Pap tonight

craigerlee
07-05-2011, 09:52 PM
Only caught the ninth but I'm curious why they didn't pinch run E5 with McCoy? Seems like the obvious choice there?

We had no one on the bench Mccoy started

MarkieMark48
07-05-2011, 09:52 PM
Looked safe to me...

BlueJayFanDan
07-05-2011, 09:52 PM
Only caught the ninth but I'm curious why they didn't pinch run E5 with McCoy? Seems like the obvious choice there?

McCoy started the game tonight. Not available.

Bob Loblaw
07-05-2011, 09:53 PM
Only caught the ninth but I'm curious why they didn't pinch run E5 with McCoy? Seems like the obvious choice there?

he started and was PH for by Hill

2009mvp
07-05-2011, 09:53 PM
didnt touch home either. wild play

Yup. Excellent throw, great job of blocking the plate. Kinda wanna second guess Butterfield for sending him on a ball to left, but I don't think I have that much of an issue with that decision.

Toxeryll
07-05-2011, 09:53 PM
Cmon, don't dive foot first into the catchers foot :P ... Slide around it and use your hands

yup, he should have done it the bautista way

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 09:54 PM
Why didnt Patterson just catch Variteks "double", that thing barely even hit the scoreboard....

BlueJayFanDan
07-05-2011, 09:55 PM
Yup. Excellent throw, great job of blocking the plate. Kinda wanna second guess Butterfield for sending him on a ball to left, but I don't think I have that much of an issue with that decision.

Right call, Just EE fails and is slow. If had Hill or Davis or someone quick it would be tied right now.

Jays Claw
07-05-2011, 09:57 PM
EE should have dove head-first on that slide. Oh well. :sigh:

Toxeryll
07-05-2011, 09:57 PM
is it safe to call patterson the biggest dumbass in all of baseball?

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 10:01 PM
is it safe to call patterson the biggest dumbass in all of baseball?

:nod:

craigerlee
07-05-2011, 10:02 PM
EE should have dove head-first on that slide. Oh well. :sigh:

Ask Josh Hamilton how good it is to dive head first into the catcher. I'm fine with him diving feet first, but he needed to disrupt Varitek more, with EE's size he could punish Varitek for blocking the plate.

thebeall
07-05-2011, 10:03 PM
Why are people saying EE was safe? He never touched home plate. Varitek blocked the plate and then tagged him out. Pretty simple.

Toxeryll
07-05-2011, 10:10 PM
Ask Josh Hamilton how good it is to dive head first into the catcher. I'm fine with him diving feet first, but he needed to disrupt Varitek more, with EE's size he could punish Varitek for blocking the plate.

lol, obviously hamilton was very unlucky with that play, but bautista does it all the time and always get there safe. encarnacion, no doubt, wouldve scored if he dove head first

King Rick
07-05-2011, 10:11 PM
Ask Josh Hamilton how good it is to dive head first into the catcher. I'm fine with him diving feet first, but he needed to disrupt Varitek more, with EE's size he could punish Varitek for blocking the plate.

Probably should have, but if he crushes Varitek then we get all the Boston fans up in our business about how we should play cleaner blah blah blah.

Nick O
07-05-2011, 10:13 PM
still eith the patterson thing? that ball that hit the wall would have been a tough play for even the best fielders... playing it off the wall was playing the percentages.... but that stolen base thing was rediculous

nstojic
07-05-2011, 10:15 PM
Bautista seems to have caught fire again.

it's that damn month of June, man..

he stunk last June, too..

2010 june: 15/84, 4 2B, 4 HR, 9 RBI, .179/.324/.369/.693 :speechless:

2011 june: 24/93, 4 2B, 4 HR, 14 RBI, .258/.405/.430/.835

hahah last week, the moment the calendar changed to july 1st, he hit a homer, that day and now has 4 HR, 6 RBI, in 5 July games.... go figure :D

must a glitch in the A.I. programming on his motherboard.. :laugh2:

2009mvp
07-05-2011, 10:19 PM
Why are people saying EE was safe? He never touched home plate. Varitek blocked the plate and then tagged him out. Pretty simple.

So I thought as well, but slo-mo you can see he clearly kicks his right foot out and drags it across the plate well before the tag. Poor call, game should have been tied.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb73/moonlightj/notout-1.gif?t=1309917797

2009mvp
07-05-2011, 10:20 PM
Jeez I'm kinda mad I found that gif, now I'm just pissed. Thanks ump.

nstojic
07-05-2011, 10:25 PM
So I thought as well, but slo-mo you can see he clearly kicks his right foot out and drags it across the plate well before the tag. Poor call, game should have been tied.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb73/moonlightj/notout-1.gif?t=1309917797

didn't watch the game..


:speechless::speechless::speechless:

:bang::bang::censored::censored:

:bs::bs::puke:


2011 jays season: the year of the (ch)ump

it's just becoming laughable how many instances, there are, of chumpires F ***ing us so blatantly, this season.. wow.. for clarification, that's a laugh WITH a few tears..

Bob Loblaw
07-05-2011, 10:30 PM
we can blame the ump for the missed call at the plate but Patterson shouldve been called out on strikes to lead of the 9th.

2009mvp
07-05-2011, 10:30 PM
There were some 8 inches between Tek's glove and E5's body, and his spike dragging across the back of the plate was literally right in the ump's face. Inexcusable to miss a call like that.

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 10:31 PM
So I thought as well, but slo-mo you can see he clearly kicks his right foot out and drags it across the plate well before the tag. Poor call, game should have been tied.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb73/moonlightj/notout-1.gif?t=1309917797

:pity:

nstojic
07-05-2011, 10:37 PM
There were some 8 inches between Tek's glove and E5's body,

:ohno: :D

2009mvp
07-05-2011, 10:38 PM
http://cache.gyazo.com/868558ba1a3ce0578414c751d0e4871c.png

Love to know what the hell he was looking at...

nstojic
07-05-2011, 10:47 PM
http://cache.gyazo.com/868558ba1a3ce0578414c751d0e4871c.png

Love to know what the hell he was looking at...

I'm uninformed about this sort of thing.. can the Jays send MLB a copy of the footage or file a grievance... or should we just go straight to the police and tell them we were robbed.. that's awe-inspiring; it's so ridiculous..

toronto#1fan
07-05-2011, 10:51 PM
i lol'ed so hard at thebeall comment, rwe watching the same video or what!! like relle?? it pisses me off to hear this comments from the fans, from the ump i understand but from a fan who can watch it over and over it pisses me off.

Twitchy
07-05-2011, 11:07 PM
That's pretty depressing he was safe. I wasn't sure till I saw it on the slow motion pic.

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 11:08 PM
i lol'ed so hard at thebeall comment, rwe watching the same video or what!! like relle?? it pisses me off to hear this comments from the fans, from the ump i understand but from a fan who can watch it over and over it pisses me off.

:facepalm:

english will also be accepted..

nstojic
07-05-2011, 11:10 PM
:facepalm:

english will also be accepted..

:laugh2: man, you're on fire, tonight!

Farsight
07-05-2011, 11:16 PM
These are the times that i wish there was replay in baseball...

TO Rapz
07-05-2011, 11:17 PM
:laugh2: man, you're on fire, tonight!

:up:

fatkev78
07-05-2011, 11:31 PM
Yup. Excellent throw, great job of blocking the plate. Kinda wanna second guess Butterfield for sending him on a ball to left, but I don't think I have that much of an issue with that decision.

With 2 out you send the runner on anything that's going to be close at the plate every time.

Rogi10
07-06-2011, 12:08 AM
Replay would of been beautiful there.

R. Johnson#3
07-06-2011, 12:26 AM
There wasn't even a tag.....

Pfeifer
07-06-2011, 12:45 AM
Im so happy I wasnt the only one that thought he was safe. I was arguing with my brother in law and saying his left leg jammed and his right foot hooked around and caught the plate before the tag, complete crap.

Jays Claw
07-06-2011, 01:20 AM
Ask Josh Hamilton how good it is to dive head first into the catcher. I'm fine with him diving feet first, but he needed to disrupt Varitek more, with EE's size he could punish Varitek for blocking the plate.

A freak accident could have also happened with EE sliding feet first. He could have jammed his knee or hurt his ankle (or something along those lines). So don't bring in the theory that diving head-first is the only way to get injured at home plate. Hamilton was unlucky in his instance and it's unfortunate.


Im so happy I wasnt the only one that thought he was safe. I was arguing with my brother in law and saying his left leg jammed and his right foot hooked around and caught the plate before the tag, complete crap.

If the ball beats a player to the plate, the player is called out on most close plays. It's sad, I know. However, EE should have been called safe on the final play. I mean, the ****ing umpire was staring right at the plate! How did he miss that? :mad:

Instant replay should be brought in for end game situations like this, based off of my own opinion. But I fear the over usage and controversy it will bring among the players, managers, and umpires.