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JordansBulls
06-30-2011, 10:55 AM
RULES:
There will be a zero tolerance, one strike policy. If ANY poster is interrupting any of the threads in a negative way, OR causing any problems they're ability to vote will be taken away.
NO POSTING in your FORUM, VOTE for this GUY. We had problems last time with it and NO POSTING in someone Else's Forum to VOTE for a certain player.


Criteria: Take into account both peak and career play, era dominance, impact on the game of basketball, and how well their style of play and skills would transcend onto different eras. To be more exact, how great they were at playing the game of basketball.




So we're going to do a top 10 players of all time list on PSD and maybe even further if the lockout is effect just to create good discussion. It's pretty simple, you just vote for who you think is the #1 player of all time, with a short explanation of why. And then in a few days, we will start the Official #2 Player of All Time Thread. And so on, until we get to 10 players. We can do top 50 or top 100 all time if you like.

Here was the last one we did.



http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254390&highlight=PSD%27s+time



So while this thread will be a poll, you vote for one player and then Nominate someone who is not on the list that way as the guys in the original list are selected we know who to add on the subsequent list.

For example:

If for #1 you vote MJ, obviously we will see it in the poll, but don't just vote please, have discussion and include a nomination for who you think should be added to the next ranking on the poll.

For me I might vote MJ #1, and then say Nominate: George Mikan to be on the next poll for the #2 player.

haggis
06-30-2011, 10:58 AM
#1: The GOAT MJ

Nominate: Wilt Chamberlain

JordansBulls
06-30-2011, 10:58 AM
#1: The GOAT MJ

Nominate: Wilt Chamberlain

Just so you understand, Nominate means someone not in the poll already.

jtsunami
06-30-2011, 11:09 AM
Nominate Rik Smits.

JordansBulls
06-30-2011, 11:09 AM
The top 3 for me are Jordan, Kareem and Rusell because all were great but I choose Michael Jordan and here a few reasons why.

-Most scoring titles—10
-Most NBA Finals MVP awards—6
-Highest career scoring average—30.12
-Highest career scoring average playoffs— 33.45
-Highest career scoring average finals (12 games) - 33.57
-Most consecutive games scoring in double figures—866
-Highest single series scoring average NBA Finals—41.0 (1993)
-Highest PER Season- 27.91 and Playoffs 28.59
-Highest WS/PER 48 in Season .2505 and Playoffs - .2553
-Highest Total Playoff Win Shares Despite playing nearly 50 games less than the next player at 39.76
-Never averaged less than 26.6 ppg in any playoff series

Playoffs

Most Points Per Game (min. 25 games)
33.4 by Michael Jordan (179 games)

Most Points in a Game
63 by Michael Jordan

Most 50 Point Games
8 by Michael Jordan (no one else has more than 4)

Most 40 Point Games
38 by Michael Jordan (no one else has even half that all time)

Most 30 Point Games
109 by Michael Jordan

Most 20 Point Games
174 by Michael Jordan (he played 179 playoff games and scored under 20 only 5 times)

Most Playoff Points
5987 by Michael Jordan


No one else essentially has the combination of winning, stats, accolades, and efficiency to take that crown.




"Never getting outplayed in by an opponent over the course of a playoff series"otherwise known as "Came out of every playoff series looking like the best player on the court"
Forget numbers and figures, that record is what makes him GOAT.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/almanac_playoff_scoring_leaders/


MJ never lost a series with homecourt advantage/better seed/better record and Also he is the only top 20 player all time that is undefeated with HCA and is 24-0 including 14-0 against teams that won 50+ and is the only player to win multiple titles while leading the league in scoring.


Vote: Michael Jordan
Nominate: Moses Malone


Most Career 40+ Point Games in Playoffs History

1. MJ = 38
2. West = 20
3. Baylor = 14
4. Wilt = 13
5. Shaq = 12
6. Hakeem = 11
Kobe = 11
Iverson = 10
9. Lebron = 9


Most Career 30+ Point Games in Playoffs History
MJ - 109
Kobe - 81
Kareem - 75
West -74
Baylor - 60

ULT WARRIOR408
06-30-2011, 11:11 AM
I voted for Oscar Robinson.Hey the averaged a triple-double for a whole season.

haggis
06-30-2011, 11:11 AM
Just so you understand, Nominate means someone not in the poll already.

that's silly JB.

JordansBulls
06-30-2011, 11:15 AM
that's silly JB.

The idea is as players are taken up, you need to put more poll options up, but you don't want to randonly put up guys. So by a nomination process you include the guy who gets the most votes so that in the next poll he will be added that way no one can complain on why a certain player isn't on the poll yet. It keeps the discussion flowing. If you nominate someone already there, then how do you decide to add on to the polls eventually? We are using a similar method on another forum and it is working.

ULT WARRIOR408
06-30-2011, 11:18 AM
We all know that Jordan is gonna be the leading vote getter.

LakersIn5
06-30-2011, 11:18 AM
Jordan. nuff said. i dont nominate anyone because i think the top 10 are from the 12 nominated right now.

PrettyBoyJ
06-30-2011, 11:18 AM
Nominate Rick Barry.. He deserves a mention

LakersIn5
06-30-2011, 11:19 AM
The top 3 for me are Jordan, Kareem and Rusell because all were great but I choose Michael Jordan and here a few reasons why.

-Most scoring titles—10
-Most NBA Finals MVP awards—6
-Highest career scoring average—30.12
-Highest career scoring average playoffs— 33.45
-Highest career scoring average finals (12 games) - 33.57
-Most consecutive games scoring in double figures—866
-Highest single series scoring average NBA Finals—41.0 (1993)
-Highest PER Season- 27.91 and Playoffs 28.59
-Highest WS/PER 48 in Season .2505 and Playoffs - .2553
-Highest Total Playoff Win Shares Despite playing nearly 50 games less than the next player at 39.76
-Never averaged less than 26.6 ppg in any playoff series

Playoffs

Most Points Per Game (min. 25 games)
33.4 by Michael Jordan (179 games)

Most Points in a Game
63 by Michael Jordan

Most 50 Point Games
8 by Michael Jordan (no one else has more than 4)

Most 40 Point Games
38 by Michael Jordan (no one else has even half that all time)

Most 30 Point Games
109 by Michael Jordan

Most 20 Point Games
174 by Michael Jordan (he played 179 playoff games and scored under 20 only 5 times)

Most Playoff Points
5987 by Michael Jordan


No one else essentially has the combination of winning, stats, accolades, and efficiency to take that crown.




http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/almanac_playoff_scoring_leaders/


MJ never lost a series with homecourt advantage/better seed/better record and Also he is the only top 20 player all time that is undefeated with HCA and is 24-0 including 14-0 against teams that won 50+ and is the only player to win multiple titles while leading the league in scoring.


Vote: Michael Jordan
Nominate: Moses Malone


Most Career 40+ Point Games in Playoffs History

1. MJ = 38
2. West = 20
3. Baylor = 14
4. Wilt = 13
5. Shaq = 12
6. Hakeem = 11
Kobe = 11
Iverson = 10
9. Lebron = 9


Most Career 30+ Point Games in Playoffs History
MJ - 109
Kobe - 81
Kareem - 75
West -74
Baylor - 60

just curious but how many finals mvp does bill russell have since he has 10 rings?

Tmath
06-30-2011, 11:26 AM
The poll is a fail without Mike James. :p

JordansBulls
06-30-2011, 11:29 AM
I voted for Oscar Robinson.Hey the averaged a triple-double for a whole season.

Yeah he did, but how does that make him the greatest? The same season he lost in the opening round to a team below .500. Also he only led a team to 50+ wins once in his career as the best player on the team. He only won 1 mvp and won 1 title as the 2nd best player on his team. Not the resume for someone to be considered the greatest.

JordansBulls
06-30-2011, 11:32 AM
just curious but how many finals mvp does bill russell have since he has 10 rings?

The award wasn't out during his time, but consider the following:

Remember Russell during his run for 8 titles won 16 series (2 series a year) during those years and overall 25 series in the years he won titles while MJ in his runs had to win 4 series a year for 24 series. Overall Russell won 27 playoff series, while Jordan won 30 playoff series all as the best player on the team.

CHANGO
06-30-2011, 11:34 AM
Jordan...

JordansBulls
06-30-2011, 11:35 AM
To add more stats to the debate here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3175



1)
Jordan, Kareem and Wilt have led in Win Shares 9 times each and the next closest is 5.
In the playoffs Jordan led in Win Shares 7 times and Russell 5 times. Those are the top 2 in the postseason.




2)
How crazy is it that Jordan led the league in playoff WS 7 times and only even made the finals 6 times?
I know it’s fully possible to play more games than either finalist without making the finals,
but still… Actually looking at the list again I think Jordan is the only NBA player to lead the
playoff WS without making the finals. And he did it twice.



3)
Some would argue that leading in WS in the playoffs is more
valuable (since deeper in playoffs you go the more opportunity you have to generate WS) - interestingly
16 (/58) times has the reg. season WS leader
also been PS Ws leader (MJ= 6 and Kareem 2nd with 3) - But
that player has been the league MVP only 7 of those
times (MJ 3 times, 2000 Shaq, 1983 Moses Malone, 1986 Larry Bird, and Kareem in 1980) - all
of those players went on to be finals MVP, except Kareem who was injured and a young
Magic rode Kareem’s efforts to the title and finals MVP.




http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_career_p.html

1. Michael Jordan* 39.76
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 35.56
3. Magic Johnson* 32.63
4. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.46
5. Shaquille O'Neal 31.08
6. Tim Duncan 28.84
7. Bill Russell* 27.76
8. Julius Erving* 26.89
9. Kobe Bryant 26.85
10. Jerry West* 26.75



http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_yearly_p.html

2011 NBA LeBron James 3.81 MIA
2010 NBA Pau Gasol 4.25 LAL
2009 NBA LeBron James 4.83 CLE
2008 NBA Kevin Garnett 4.10 BOS
2007 NBA LeBron James 3.73 CLE
2006 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 5.39 DAL
2005 NBA Chauncey Billups 4.59 DET
2004 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 3.86 LAL
2003 NBA Tim Duncan 5.94 SAS
2002 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 3.81 LAL
2001 NBA Kobe Bryant 3.76 LAL
2000 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 4.67 LAL
1999 NBA Tim Duncan 3.71 SAS
1998 NBA Michael Jordan* 4.81 CHI
1997 NBA Michael Jordan* 3.94 CHI
1996 NBA Michael Jordan* 4.68 CHI
1995 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 3.02 ORL
1994 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon* 4.28 HOU
1993 NBA Charles Barkley* 4.60 PHO
1992 NBA Michael Jordan* 4.13 CHI
1991 NBA Michael Jordan* 4.77 CHI
1990 NBA Michael Jordan* 3.98 CHI
1989 NBA Michael Jordan* 4.04 CHI
1988 NBA Magic Johnson* 3.99 LAL
1987 NBA Magic Johnson* 3.68 LAL
1986 NBA Larry Bird* 4.23 BOS
1985 NBA Magic Johnson* 3.01 LAL
1984 NBA Larry Bird* 4.72 BOS
1983 NBA Moses Malone* 2.84 PHI
1982 NBA Julius Erving* 3.00 PHI
1981 NBA Moses Malone* 3.46 HOU
1980 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 3.26 LAL
1979 NBA Gus Williams 2.72 SEA
1978 NBA Elvin Hayes* 3.06 WSB
1977 NBA Julius Erving* 3.40 PHI
1976 NBA Dave Cowens* 2.71 BOS
1975 NBA Rick Barry* 3.09 GSW
1974 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 4.69 MIL
1973 NBA Walt Frazier* 3.02 NYK
1972 NBA Walt Frazier* 3.33 NYK
1971 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 3.26 MIL
1970 NBA Jerry West* 3.19 LAL
1969 NBA Jerry West* 4.31 LAL
1968 NBA Jerry West* 3.60 LAL
1967 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 3.78 PHI
1966 NBA Bill Russell* 3.25 BOS
1965 NBA Bill Russell* 3.34 BOS
1964 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 3.75 SFW
1963 NBA Bill Russell* 2.53 BOS
1962 NBA Bill Russell* 3.60 BOS
1961 NBA Elgin Baylor* 2.99 LAL
1960 NBA Bill Russell* 2.97 BOS
1959 NBA Frank Ramsey* 2.04 BOS
1958 NBA Cliff Hagan* 2.72 STL
1957 NBA Bob Pettit* 1.66 STL
1956 NBA Paul Arizin* 2.23 PHW
1955 NBA Dolph Schayes* 1.84 SYR
1954 NBA George Mikan* 3.46 MNL
1953 NBA George Mikan* 1.97 MNL
1952 NBA George Mikan* 2.37 MNL



MJ led in Playoff Win Shares 7x and Russell 5x. The most for any player




http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_yearly.html

2010-11 NBA LeBron James 15.59 MIA
2009-10 NBA LeBron James 18.46 CLE
2008-09 NBA LeBron James 20.25 CLE
2007-08 NBA Chris Paul 17.79 NOH
2006-07 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 16.34 DAL
2005-06 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 17.72 DAL
2004-05 NBA Kevin Garnett 16.11 MIN
2003-04 NBA Kevin Garnett 18.33 MIN
2002-03 NBA Tim Duncan 16.45 SAS
2001-02 NBA Tim Duncan 17.81 SAS
2000-01 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 14.94 LAL
1999-00 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 18.65 LAL
1998-99 NBA Karl Malone 9.62 UTA
1997-98 NBA Karl Malone 16.35 UTA
1996-97 NBA Michael Jordan* 18.30 CHI
1995-96 NBA Michael Jordan* 20.43 CHI
1994-95 NBA David Robinson* 17.46 SAS
1993-94 NBA David Robinson* 19.98 SAS
1992-93 NBA Michael Jordan* 17.24 CHI
1991-92 NBA Michael Jordan* 17.73 CHI
1990-91 NBA Michael Jordan* 20.30 CHI
1989-90 NBA Michael Jordan* 18.99 CHI
1988-89 NBA Michael Jordan* 19.80 CHI
1987-88 NBA Michael Jordan* 21.23 CHI
1986-87 NBA Michael Jordan* 16.89 CHI
1985-86 NBA Larry Bird* 15.81 BOS
1984-85 NBA Larry Bird* 15.67 BOS
1983-84 NBA Adrian Dantley* 14.61 UTA
1982-83 NBA Moses Malone* 15.10 PHI
1981-82 NBA Moses Malone* 15.42 HOU
1980-81 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 14.26 LAL
1979-80 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 14.84 LAL
1978-79 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 14.38 LAL
1977-78 NBA David Thompson* 12.70 DEN
1976-77 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 17.81 LAL
1975-76 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 17.01 LAL
1974-75 NBA Bob McAdoo* 17.81 BUF
1973-74 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 18.45 MIL
1972-73 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 21.86 MIL
1971-72 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 25.37 MIL
1970-71 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 22.31 MIL
1969-70 NBA Jerry West* 15.15 LAL
1968-69 NBA Willis Reed* 14.69 NYK
1967-68 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 20.38 PHI
1966-67 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 21.87 PHI
1965-66 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 21.42 PHI
1964-65 NBA Oscar Robertson* 16.95 CIN
1963-64 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 24.98 SFW
1962-63 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 20.94 SFW
1961-62 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 23.11 PHW
1960-61 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 18.83 PHW
1959-60 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 17.01 PHW
1958-59 NBA Bob Pettit* 14.75 STL
1957-58 NBA Dolph Schayes* 13.73 SYR
1956-57 NBA Neil Johnston* 13.68 PHW
1955-56 NBA Neil Johnston* 13.92 PHW
1954-55 NBA Neil Johnston* 15.39 PHW
1953-54 NBA Neil Johnston* 18.30 PHW
1952-53 NBA Neil Johnston* 15.33 PHW
1951-52 NBA Paul Arizin* 16.01 PHW


MJ led in Season Win Shares 9x and Wilt and Kareem as well led in it 9x. The most for any player




http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ows_career_p.html

1. Michael Jordan* 27.32
2. Magic Johnson* 23.10
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 21.82
4. Jerry West* 21.34
5. Shaquille O'Neal 20.12
6. Kobe Bryant 19.54
7. Dirk Nowitzki 17.04
8. Julius Erving* 16.29
9. Reggie Miller 16.18
10. Wilt Chamberlain* 15.65



http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ows_yearly_p.html

2011 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 2.72 DAL
2010 NBA Pau Gasol 3.18 LAL
2009 NBA LeBron James 3.68 CLE
2008 NBA Chris Paul 2.38 NOH
2007 NBA LeBron James 2.10 CLE
2006 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 3.81 DAL
2005 NBA Manu Ginobili 3.01 SAS
2004 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 2.58 LAL
2003 NBA Tim Duncan 3.27 SAS
2002 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 2.59 LAL
2001 NBA Ray Allen 3.19 MIL
2000 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 3.59 LAL
1999 NBA Tim Duncan 2.06 SAS
1998 NBA Michael Jordan* 3.63 CHI
1997 NBA Michael Jordan* 2.47 CHI
1996 NBA Michael Jordan* 3.36 CHI
1995 NBA Clyde Drexler* 2.17 HOU
1994 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon* 2.32 HOU
1993 NBA Michael Jordan* 3.34 CHI
1992 NBA Terry Porter 2.96 POR
1991 NBA Michael Jordan* 3.23 CHI
1990 NBA Michael Jordan* 2.70 CHI
1989 NBA Michael Jordan* 2.81 CHI
1988 NBA Magic Johnson* 3.18 LAL
1987 NBA Magic Johnson* 2.58 LAL
1986 NBA Larry Bird* 2.71 BOS
1985 NBA Magic Johnson* 2.04 LAL
1984 NBA Larry Bird* 3.04 BOS
1983 NBA Johnny Moore 1.77 SAS
1982 NBA Julius Erving* 1.95 PHI
1981 NBA Moses Malone* 2.43 HOU
1980 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 2.21 LAL
1979 NBA Gus Williams 1.99 SEA
1978 NBA Elvin Hayes* 1.39 WSB
1977 NBA Julius Erving* 2.56 PHI
1976 NBA Phil Smith 1.57 GSW
1975 NBA Rick Barry* 1.77 GSW
1974 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 3.17 MIL
1973 NBA Walt Frazier* 2.27 NYK
1972 NBA Walt Frazier* 2.56 NYK
1971 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 1.95 MIL
1970 NBA Jerry West* 2.64 LAL
1969 NBA Jerry West* 3.23 LAL
1968 NBA Jerry West* 3.06 LAL
1967 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 1.83 PHI
1966 NBA Jerry West* 2.71 LAL
1965 NBA Jerry West* 1.89 LAL
1964 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 2.12 SFW
1963 NBA Oscar Robertson* 2.04 CIN
1962 NBA Jerry West* 2.20 LAL
1961 NBA Elgin Baylor* 2.70 LAL
1960 NBA Elgin Baylor* 2.01 MNL
1959 NBA Frank Ramsey* 1.50 BOS
1958 NBA Cliff Hagan* 2.58 STL
1957 NBA Bob Pettit* 1.47 STL
1956 NBA Paul Arizin* 1.73 PHW
1955 NBA Bill Sharman* 1.08 BOS
1954 NBA George Mikan* 1.98 MNL
1953 NBA Ernie Vandeweghe 1.00 NYK
1952 NBA Connie Simmons 1.39 NYK


MJ led in Playoff Offensive Win Shares 7x and Jerry West 6x and Magic 4x. The most for any player



http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ows_yearly.html

2010-11 NBA LeBron James 10.31 MIA
2009-10 NBA LeBron James 13.30 CLE
2008-09 NBA LeBron James 13.74 CLE
2007-08 NBA Chris Paul 13.20 NOH
2006-07 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 11.85 DAL
2005-06 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 13.47 DAL
2004-05 NBA Amare Stoudemire 11.26 PHO
2003-04 NBA Peja Stojakovic 11.35 SAC
2002-03 NBA Tracy McGrady 13.24 ORL
2001-02 NBA Tim Duncan 10.72 SAS
2000-01 NBA Ray Allen 11.49 MIL
1999-00 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 11.66 LAL
1998-99 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 7.17 LAL
1997-98 NBA Karl Malone 12.09 UTA
1996-97 NBA Michael Jordan* 13.29 CHI
1995-96 NBA Michael Jordan* 14.20 CHI
1994-95 NBA David Robinson* 10.72 SAS
1993-94 NBA David Robinson* 13.33 SAS
1992-93 NBA Michael Jordan* 12.00 CHI
1991-92 NBA Michael Jordan* 12.11 CHI
1990-91 NBA Michael Jordan* 14.86 CHI
1989-90 NBA Michael Jordan* 14.68 CHI
1988-89 NBA Michael Jordan* 14.61 CHI
1987-88 NBA Michael Jordan* 15.16 CHI
1986-87 NBA Magic Johnson* 12.06 LAL
1985-86 NBA Adrian Dantley* 10.42 UTA
1984-85 NBA Larry Bird* 10.45 BOS
1983-84 NBA Adrian Dantley* 12.97 UTA
1982-83 NBA Kiki Vandeweghe 10.46 DEN
1981-82 NBA Adrian Dantley* 11.91 UTA
1980-81 NBA Adrian Dantley* 12.32 UTA
1979-80 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 9.54 LAL
1978-79 NBA Moses Malone* 10.61 HOU
1977-78 NBA David Thompson* 10.76 DEN
1976-77 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 11.90 LAL
1975-76 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 9.82 LAL
1974-75 NBA Bob McAdoo* 12.73 BUF
1973-74 NBA Bob McAdoo* 10.92 BUF
1972-73 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 14.37 MIL
1971-72 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 18.31 MIL
1970-71 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 17.01 MIL
1969-70 NBA Jerry West* 11.48 LAL
1968-69 NBA Oscar Robertson* 12.23 CIN
1967-68 NBA Oscar Robertson* 11.51 CIN
1966-67 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 14.83 PHI
1965-66 NBA Jerry West* 14.41 LAL
1964-65 NBA Jerry West* 14.82 LAL
1963-64 NBA Oscar Robertson* 16.20 CIN
1962-63 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 15.96 SFW
1961-62 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 17.11 PHW
1960-61 NBA Oscar Robertson* 13.03 CIN
1959-60 NBA Cliff Hagan* 9.27 STL
1958-59 NBA Kenny Sears 11.88 NYK
1957-58 NBA George Yardley* 10.16 DET
1956-57 NBA Neil Johnston* 11.59 PHW
1955-56 NBA Neil Johnston* 11.22 PHW
1954-55 NBA Neil Johnston* 11.46 PHW
1953-54 NBA Neil Johnston* 15.35 PHW
1952-53 NBA Neil Johnston* 13.00 PHW
1951-52 NBA Paul Arizin* 14.78 PHW


MJ led in Offensive Win Shares 8x and Kareem 6x and Neil Johnson 5x and Wilt 4x. The most for any player




PER (Player Efficiency Rating)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html

1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 26.91
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Dwyane Wade 25.65
7. Bob Pettit* 25.37
8. Chris Paul 25.22
9. Tim Duncan 24.84
10. Neil Johnston* 24.73



http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_yearly.html

2010-11 NBA LeBron James 27.27 MIA
2009-10 NBA LeBron James 31.10
2008-09 NBA LeBron James 31.67
2007-08 NBA LeBron James 29.14
2006-07 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 27.59
2005-06 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 28.06
2004-05 NBA Kevin Garnett 28.20
2003-04 NBA Kevin Garnett 29.44
2002-03 NBA Tracy McGrady 30.27
2001-02 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 29.68
2000-01 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 30.23
1999-00 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 30.65
1998-99 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 30.55
1997-98 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 28.79
1996-97 NBA Karl Malone 28.90
1995-96 NBA David Robinson* 29.41
1994-95 NBA David Robinson* 29.13
1993-94 NBA David Robinson* 30.66
1992-93 NBA Michael Jordan* 29.70
1991-92 NBA Michael Jordan* 27.75
1990-91 NBA Michael Jordan* 31.63
1989-90 NBA Michael Jordan* 31.19
1988-89 NBA Michael Jordan* 31.14
1987-88 NBA Michael Jordan* 31.71
1986-87 NBA Michael Jordan* 29.78
1985-86 NBA Larry Bird* 25.61
1984-85 NBA Larry Bird* 26.54
1983-84 NBA Adrian Dantley* 24.64
1982-83 NBA Moses Malone* 25.12
1981-82 NBA Moses Malone* 26.77
1980-81 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 25.48
1979-80 NBA Julius Erving* 25.36
1978-79 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 25.47
1977-78 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 29.22
1976-77 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 27.80
1975-76 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 27.21
1974-75 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 26.36
1973-74 NBA Bob McAdoo* 24.65
1972-73 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 28.45
1971-72 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 29.94
1970-71 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 28.95
1969-70 NBA Jerry West* 24.64
1968-69 NBA Jerry West* 22.32
1967-68 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 24.71
1966-67 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 26.51
1965-66 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 28.26
1964-65 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 28.62
1963-64 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 31.64
1962-63 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 31.84
1961-62 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 31.76
1960-61 NBA Elgin Baylor* 28.24
1959-60 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 28.04
1958-59 NBA Bob Pettit* 28.19
1957-58 NBA Bob Pettit* 26.26
1956-57 NBA Bob Pettit* 28.23
1955-56 NBA Bob Pettit* 27.34
1954-55 NBA Neil Johnston* 25.50
1953-54 NBA George Mikan* 28.54
1952-53 NBA George Mikan* 28.39
1951-52 NBA George Mikan* 26.26

Kareem led in PER 9x and Wilt 8x and MJ 7x (Tied in 1996 with D.Robinson so it could be said 8x) The most for any player




http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career_p.html

1. Michael Jordan* 28.59
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 26.31
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.12
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Tim Duncan 25.43
7. Dirk Nowitzki 24.75
8. Tracy McGrady 24.66
9. Dwyane Wade 24.56
10. Charles Barkley* 24.18



http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_yearly_p.html

2011 NBA Chris Paul 28.89
2010 NBA Dwyane Wade 29.43
2009 NBA LeBron James 37.39
2008 NBA Chris Paul 30.70
2007 NBA Amare Stoudemire 29.57
2006 NBA Tim Duncan 30.39
2005 NBA Yao Ming 28.99
2004 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 27.50
2003 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 30.61
2002 NBA Tim Duncan 31.80
2001 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 28.67
2000 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 30.45
1999 NBA Grant Hill 29.29
1998 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 31.00
1997 NBA Anfernee Hardaway 29.88
1996 NBA David Robinson* 29.10
1995 NBA Kevin Johnson 27.36
1994 NBA Charles Barkley* 27.85
1993 NBA Michael Jordan* 30.06
1992 NBA Michael Jordan* 27.24
1991 NBA Michael Jordan* 32.04
1990 NBA Michael Jordan* 31.63
1989 NBA Michael Jordan* 29.90
1988 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon* 38.95
1987 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon* 28.46
1986 NBA Spud Webb 25.74
1985 NBA Michael Jordan* 24.72
1984 NBA Bernard King 27.60
1983 NBA Moses Malone* 25.72
1982 NBA Julius Erving* 22.46
1981 NBA Marques Johnson 27.65
1980 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 27.91
1979 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 26.54
1978 NBA George Gervin* 29.44
1977 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 32.35
1976 NBA Bob Lanier* 25.27
1975 NBA Bob McAdoo* 24.25
1974 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 28.31
1973 NBA Jerry West* 22.67
1972 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 22.45
1971 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 25.26
1970 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 29.39
1969 NBA Jerry West* 25.20
1968 NBA Jerry West* 25.13
1967 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 25.34
1966 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 25.97
1965 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 27.09
1964 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 31.22
1963 NBA Bob Pettit* 26.04
1962 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 29.62
1961 NBA Elgin Baylor* 28.55
1960 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 27.01
1959 NBA Cliff Hagan* 26.19
1958 NBA Cliff Hagan* 27.46
1957 NBA Bob Pettit* 25.03
1956 NBA George Yardley* 25.36
1955 NBA Dolph Schayes* 24.31
1954 NBA George Mikan* 33.58
1953 NBA George Mikan* 26.25
1952 NBA George Mikan* 27.61

Kareem led in Playoff PER 7x and MJ 6x (also led in it in 1986 with a 30 PER, so really 7x) and Wilt 6x. The most for any player





http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_per_48_yearly.html

2010-11 NBA LeBron James 0.2442 MIA
2009-10 NBA LeBron James 0.2987 CLE
2008-09 NBA LeBron James 0.3183 CLE
2007-08 NBA Chris Paul 0.2840 NOH
2006-07 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 0.2780 DAL
2005-06 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 0.2753 DAL
2004-05 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 0.2479 DAL
2003-04 NBA Kevin Garnett 0.2723 MIN
2002-03 NBA Tracy McGrady 0.2617 ORL
2001-02 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 0.2615 LAL
2000-01 NBA David Robinson* 0.2457 SAS
1999-00 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 0.2830 LAL
1998-99 NBA David Robinson* 0.2607 SAS
1997-98 NBA David Robinson* 0.2691 SAS
1996-97 NBA Michael Jordan* 0.2829 CHI
1995-96 NBA Michael Jordan* 0.3174 CHI
1994-95 NBA David Robinson* 0.2727 SAS
1993-94 NBA David Robinson* 0.2960 SAS
1992-93 NBA Michael Jordan* 0.2698 CHI
1991-92 NBA Michael Jordan* 0.2743 CHI
1990-91 NBA Michael Jordan* 0.3211 CHI
1989-90 NBA Michael Jordan* 0.2851 CHI
1988-89 NBA Michael Jordan* 0.2920 CHI
1987-88 NBA Michael Jordan* 0.3077 CHI
1986-87 NBA Magic Johnson* 0.2627 LAL
1985-86 NBA Larry Bird* 0.2438 BOS
1984-85 NBA Larry Bird* 0.2380 BOS
1983-84 NBA Adrian Dantley* 0.2350 UTA
1982-83 NBA Moses Malone* 0.2480 PHI
1981-82 NBA Julius Erving* 0.2294 PHI
1980-81 NBA Julius Erving* 0.2311 PHI
1979-80 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.2266 LAL
1978-79 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.2186 LAL
1977-78 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.2571 LAL
1976-77 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.2835 LAL
1975-76 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.2416 LAL
1974-75 NBA Bob McAdoo* 0.2416 BUF
1973-74 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.2495 MIL
1972-73 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.3225 MIL
1971-72 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.3399 MIL
1970-71 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.3256 MIL
1969-70 NBA Walt Frazier* 0.2361 NYK
1968-69 NBA Willis Reed* 0.2268 NYK
1967-68 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 0.2551 PHI
1966-67 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 0.2851 PHI
1965-66 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 0.2751 PHI
1964-65 NBA Jerry West* 0.2611 LAL
1963-64 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 0.3251 SFW
1962-63 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 0.2641 SFW
1961-62 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 0.2857 PHW
1960-61 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 0.2395 PHW
1959-60 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 0.2445 PHW
1958-59 NBA Kenny Sears 0.2562 NYK
1957-58 NBA Frank Ramsey* 0.2340 BOS
1956-57 NBA Neil Johnston* 0.2595 PHW
1955-56 NBA Larry Foust 0.2639 FTW
1954-55 NBA Larry Foust 0.2823 FTW
1953-54 NBA Dolph Schayes* 0.2668 SYR
1952-53 NBA George Mikan* 0.2640 MNL
1951-52 NBA Al Cervi* 0.2967 SYR


Kareem led in WS Per 48 Minutes 9x and MJ 8x and Wilt 8x, the most for any player



http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_per_48_career.html

1. Michael Jordan* 0.2505
2. David Robinson* 0.2502
3. Wilt Chamberlain* 0.2480
4. Neil Johnston* 0.2413
5. Chris Paul 0.2328
6. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.2284
7. LeBron James 0.2266
8. Magic Johnson* 0.2249
9. Charles Barkley* 0.2163
10. Tim Duncan 0.2162



http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_per_48_yearly_p.html

2011 NBA Chris Paul 0.2424 NOH
2010 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 0.2912 DAL
2009 NBA LeBron James 0.3994 CLE
2008 NBA Chris Paul 0.2887 NOH
2007 NBA Amare Stoudemire 0.2690 PHO
2006 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 0.2634 DAL
2005 NBA Paul Pierce 0.3009 BOS
2004 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 0.2871 DAL
2003 NBA Tim Duncan 0.2792 SAS
2002 NBA Jamaal Magloire 0.2498 CHH
2001 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 0.2602 LAL
2000 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 0.2241 LAL
1999 NBA Marcus Camby 0.2800 NYK
1998 NBA Steve Smith 0.2688 ATL
1997 NBA Anfernee Hardaway 0.2395 ORL
1996 NBA Michael Jordan* 0.3064 CHI
1995 NBA Shawn Kemp 0.2597 SEA
1994 NBA Detlef Schrempf 0.2599 SEA
1993 NBA Michael Jordan* 0.2700 CHI
1992 NBA Karl Malone* 0.2198 UTA
1991 NBA Michael Jordan* 0.3325 CHI
1990 NBA Michael Jordan* 0.2837 CHI
1989 NBA Michael Jordan* 0.2703 CHI
1988 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon* 0.3855 HOU
1987 NBA Magic Johnson* 0.2650 LAL
1986 NBA Magic Johnson* 0.2666 LAL
1985 NBA Sidney Moncrief 0.2169 MIL
1984 NBA Larry Bird* 0.2356 BOS
1983 NBA Moses Malone* 0.2599 PHI
1982 NBA Kevin McHale* 0.2568 BOS
1981 NBA Marques Johnson 0.2600 MIL
1980 NBA Cedric Maxwell 0.2555 BOS
1979 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.2218 LAL
1978 NBA Steve Mix 0.3112 PHI
1977 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.3324 LAL
1976 NBA Bob Lanier* 0.2133 DET
1975 NBA Don Nelson 0.2094 BOS
1974 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.2971 MIL
1973 NBA Oscar Robertson* 0.2362 MIL
1972 NBA Walt Frazier* 0.2271 NYK
1971 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.2711 MIL
1970 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 0.2859 MIL
1969 NBA Jerry West* 0.2735 LAL
1968 NBA Jerry West* 0.2779 LAL
1967 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 0.2529 PHI
1966 NBA Jerry West* 0.2374 LAL
1965 NBA Bill Russell* 0.2857 BOS
1964 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 0.3228 SFW
1963 NBA Bob Pettit* 0.2436 STL
1962 NBA Wilt Chamberlain* 0.2596 PHW
1961 NBA Bill Sharman* 0.2571 BOS
1960 NBA Elgin Baylor* 0.2646 MNL
1959 NBA Frank Ramsey* 0.3225 BOS
1958 NBA Cliff Hagan* 0.3124 STL
1957 NBA Frank Ramsey* 0.2904 BOS
1956 NBA Paul Arizin* 0.2618 PHW
1955 NBA Dolph Schayes* 0.2421 SYR
1954 NBA George Mikan* 0.3912 MNL
1953 NBA George Mikan* 0.2045 MNL
1952 NBA Dolph Schayes* 0.2838 SYR

MJ and Kareem both led in WS per 48 Minutes in the playoffs 5x, the most for any Player.






http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_per_48_career_p.html

1. Michael Jordan* 0.2553
2. George Mikan* 0.2541
3. LeBron James 0.2218
4. Magic Johnson* 0.2078
5. Dirk Nowitzki 0.2067
6. Jerry West* 0.2031
7. Wilt Chamberlain* 0.1998
8. David Robinson* 0.1992
9. Tim Duncan 0.1991



http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8535


Bill Reynolds Says:

MJ had the highest WS/48 for two decades -- the 80s and the 90s. His figure for the 90s (.280) is the highest for any player/decade ever, and his figure for the 80s (.262) is the third highest, just behind Kareem's .266 for the 70s.

What a player!



The Nineties (1990-99):

Rk Player From To Tm G MP PER ORtg USG% DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48 ?
3 Michael Jordan 1990 1998 CHI 585 22445 28.7 121 33.3 102 92.8 38.3 131.1 0.280
2 David Robinson 1990 1999 SAS 685 25364 27.7 117 27.9 96 78.5 59.3 137.8 0.261
1 Karl Malone 1990 1999 UTA 785 30005 26.0 117 30.4 102 95.9 51.0 146.9 0.235





The Eighties (1980-89):

Rk Player From To Tm G MP PER ORtg USG% DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48 ?
14 Michael Jordan 1985 1989 CHI 345 13442 29.6 120 33.8 104 53.0 20.4 73.4 0.262
2 Magic Johnson 1980 1989 LAL 716 26417 23.8 120 21.9 104 84.1 36.2 120.3 0.219
1 Larry Bird 1980 1989 BOS 717 27560 24.1 116 26.7 101 75.4 48.8 124.2 0.216
19 Charles Barkley 1985 1989 PHI 389 14297 24.4 120 23.6 105 43.9 19.3 63.1 0.21





The Seventies (1970-79):

Rk Player From To Tm G MP PER TS% eFG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ?
1 Kareem 1970 1979 TOT 773 31771 26.9 0.583 0.551 115.8 60.2 176.0 0.266
21 Jerry West 1970 1974 LAL 320 12351 23.6 0.554 0.484 38.8 16.3 55.0 0.214
11 Chet Walker 1970 1975 CHI 474 15809 19.6 0.559 0.483 46.8 20.2 67.0 0.204





The Sixties (1960-69):

Rk Player From To Tm G MP PER TS% eFG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ?
1 Wilt 1960 1969 TOT 787 36713 28.1 0.539 0.530 125.2 73.1 198.3 0.259
2 Oscar Robertson 1961 1969 CIN 683 30223 25.3 0.571 0.487 123.1 19.8 142.8 0.227
4 Jerry West 1961 1969 LAL 612 24220 22.6 0.548 0.469 85.9 21.7 107.5 0.213
10 Bob Pettit 1960 1965 STL 435 17345 24.2 0.520 0.447 49.4 24.8 74.1 0.205
3 Bill Russell 1960 1969 BOS 776 33412 18.3 0.471 0.439 19.9 113.1 133.1 0.191





The Fifties (1952-59):

Rk Player From To Tm G MP PER TS% eFG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ?
13 George Mikan 1952 1956 MNL 243 8350 26.9 0.467 0.389 21.0 22.2 43.2 0.249
2 Neil Johnston 1952 1959 PHW 516 18298 24.7 0.534 0.444 73.9 18.1 92.0 0.241
8 Bob Pettit 1955 1959 TOT 357 13345 26.9 0.499 0.421 42.4 19.5 61.9 0.223
1 Dolph Schayes 1952 1959 SYR 566 20784 23.7 0.494 0.382 57.8 37.4 95.2 0.220

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-30-2011, 11:36 AM
Nice idea. MJ here, Elgin Baylor or the Jerry West to nominate. I also have Russell going in the next one.

JordansBulls
06-30-2011, 11:39 AM
Jordan...

Need to Nominate a Player

roshan3ai
06-30-2011, 11:45 AM
MJ.

I nominate Chris Duhon

GoPacers33
06-30-2011, 12:02 PM
Who else but MJ

ULT WARRIOR408
06-30-2011, 12:13 PM
Yeah he did, but how does that make him the greatest? The same season he lost in the opening round to a team below .500. Also he only led a team to 50+ wins once in his career as the best player on the team. He only won 1 mvp and won 1 title as the 2nd best player on his team. Not the resume for someone to be considered the greatest.

He didn't lose bruh the team lost.For the most you're right but I knew that this pointless thread would go in direction.That in the way of Jordy-Jor & rightfully so.I just wanted to be a lil different.

JIDsanity
06-30-2011, 12:16 PM
Mj

gmckenziejr82
06-30-2011, 12:24 PM
Hands down greatest player I have seen. His accomplishments and stats are amazing. Watching him play was better, even after he came back with the Wizards he still put up good numbers. I believe he was 38 and 39 years old and still avg 20ppg, 4apg, and 6rpg, not to mention he played 82 games and avg. 37 min a game. Goes to show what kind of shape he keeps himself in, so imagine him in his prime if you never witnessed. I nominate Karl Malone, although he has no ring. And that is not for #2, but to be in the poll eventually.

AIsixersFK
06-30-2011, 12:26 PM
Scottie Pippen would like to nominate LeBron as the GOAT

LakersIn5
06-30-2011, 12:28 PM
The award wasn't out during his time, but consider the following:

Remember Russell during his run for 8 titles won 16 series (2 series a year) during those years and overall 25 series in the years he won titles while MJ in his runs had to win 4 series a year for 24 series. Overall Russell won 27 playoff series, while Jordan won 30 playoff series all as the best player on the team.

daaaaamn then. i didnt know that. jordan would have won like 12+ championships back in the day. :clap:

nice to know JB. thanks for the fun fact!

MrfadeawayJB
06-30-2011, 12:29 PM
any vote for G.O.A.T besides jordan is blasphemy

Snowman23
06-30-2011, 12:31 PM
MJ. nominate Bron :)

Swashcuff
06-30-2011, 01:00 PM
Michael Jordan

Sadds The Gr8
06-30-2011, 01:01 PM
lol @ the poll. pwnage

Hustlenomics
06-30-2011, 01:09 PM
why is Kobe Bryant an option?

Swashcuff
06-30-2011, 01:16 PM
why is Kobe Bryant an option?

Why don't you stay on topic?

Hustlenomics
06-30-2011, 01:18 PM
^ he is part of the topic

NYKnicks4511
06-30-2011, 01:24 PM
Michael Jordan is #1 in the NBA.

When Kareem retired though, he was asked, "Who was the greatest player you ever played against?"

he said "that would have to be 'The Goat'".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Manigault

NYKalltheway
06-30-2011, 01:39 PM
why is Kobe listed? :p

KnicksR4Real
06-30-2011, 01:54 PM
It's not even close... MJ

jtsunami
06-30-2011, 02:06 PM
I nominate Monta Ellis.

naps
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
Michael Jordan hands down, pants down!

Nominate: Earl Manigault. (I am serious). Kareem thinks he's the GOAT.

And Kobe should not be in this list by the way.

Lloyd Christmas
06-30-2011, 02:42 PM
Jordan

Nominate- The Logo. West has to be part of the discussion for #2.

Ebbs
06-30-2011, 03:14 PM
Jordan slightly edges Wilt for me here. I think he played in the toughest NBA era and still dominated the way he did.

I will nominate Karl Malone to be next added to the poll.

Bruno
06-30-2011, 04:11 PM
MJ. The best overall package of smarts, competitive fire, fundamentals, statistical dominance, longevity and team success. He also had the package physically; billion dollar hands.

I nominate Jerry West.

Jewelz0376
06-30-2011, 04:40 PM
MJ...

Jordan imo has set the bar so high to become the goat I can't imagine anyone ever surpassing him in my lifetime....Similar to Rice's legacy among wr's and Gretzky in the nhl..

I nominate Jerry West

Bubba313
06-30-2011, 04:52 PM
There must be a mistake, I don't see Mike James on the list..

Da Knicks
06-30-2011, 04:55 PM
i nominate chris dudley

WorldWideJames
06-30-2011, 05:10 PM
It's Jordan for me easily. JordansBulls covered all the statistical reasons. I don't think it's debatable.

As for nominations: Moses Malone. I don't think anyone has nominated him yet. He won back-to-back MVPs in DIFFERENT CONFERENCES! He played on the 1983 Sixers who swept the first round, won the second round in five, and swept Magic's and Kareem's Lakers in the finals. I don't think there has been another 1-loss NBA champion in the history, but someone should check me on that.

TomahawkChop 10
06-30-2011, 05:10 PM
well in a VERY close race, Michael Jordan is only beating Kareem, Shaq, and Robertson by only 100 votes. Still anyones game.

knightstemplar
06-30-2011, 07:13 PM
move on to #2 now JB

justinnum1
06-30-2011, 07:20 PM
mj

justinnum1
06-30-2011, 07:20 PM
better question is who are #'s 2-10

DR_1
06-30-2011, 07:31 PM
1 - MJ: 'Nough said
2 - Kareem: skyhook
3 - Wilt: 100 PTs in a game, etc

avrpatsfan
06-30-2011, 07:39 PM
Michael Jordan and it isn't even close. Just read Simmons's segment on Jordan in his basketball book (greatest basketball book of all time IMO). He was way above the rest and nobody will ever have that competitive streak he had.

Nominate: Jerry West. I'm shocked he wasn't included in the original poll. He's at top 10 NBA player all time.

Avenged
06-30-2011, 08:15 PM
Jordan
Magic
Kareem

nominate: West

btw why this whole nominating thing? unless people want to see someone like Lebron as #2, I don't see the point.

Jumba
06-30-2011, 08:21 PM
Jordan no question.

Nominate: Karl Malone, 2nd all time in scoring. :\

Korman12
06-30-2011, 08:22 PM
Guys, I think this one is a runaway.

DoJoTheSlasher
06-30-2011, 08:24 PM
Michael Jeffery Jordan

Jewelz0376
06-30-2011, 08:24 PM
Jordan
Magic
Kareem

nominate: West

btw why this whole nominating thing? unless people want to see someone like Lebron as #2, I don't see the point.

That's my top 3 as well

jrm2054
06-30-2011, 08:52 PM
i think we can call this one

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-30-2011, 09:22 PM
How could people vote Shaq ahead of MJ? I'm also going to go w/Russell on the next one.

papipapsmanny
06-30-2011, 10:09 PM
haha thats how you know he was so ****ing good

over 92% of the vote for GOAT

Master Mind
06-30-2011, 10:23 PM
Not even close

http://images.dailydawdle.com/not-even-close.gif

Master Mind
06-30-2011, 10:24 PM
Wilt Chamberlain 2nd imo

PatsSoxKnicks
06-30-2011, 10:41 PM
lol @ the poll. pwnage

Yeah but it should be unanimous. Obviously the 13 people who didn't vote for MJ have some insanity issues.

Team*Chicago
06-30-2011, 10:42 PM
So we're going to do a top 10 players of all time list on PSD and maybe even further if the lockout is effect just to create good discussion. It's pretty simple, you just vote for who you think is the #1 player of all time, with a short explanation of why. And then in a few days, we will start the Official #2 Player of All Time Thread. And so on, until we get to 10 players. We can do top 50 or top 100 all time if you like.

Here was the last one we did.




So while this thread will be a poll, you vote for one player and then Nominate someone who is not on the list that way as the guys in the original list are selected we know who to add on the subsequent list.

For example:

If for #1 you vote MJ, obviously we will see it in the poll, but don't just vote please, have discussion and include a nomination for who you think should be added to the next ranking on the poll.

For me I might vote MJ #1, and then say Nominate: George Mikan to be on the next poll for the #2 player.

:rolleyes: For somehow I knew you was going to start a thread like this but it was only a matter of time.

avrpatsfan
06-30-2011, 10:48 PM
This isn't even close. Time to move on lol.

CountSackula
06-30-2011, 10:54 PM
:laugh2:

oh lordy. what a joke

Swashcuff
06-30-2011, 11:20 PM
Yeah but it should be unanimous. Obviously the 13 people who didn't vote for MJ have some insanity issues.

Indeed

ManRam
07-01-2011, 12:06 AM
One is dumb...we all know.

2 is when the fun starts. After 1, it gets very dicey!

BklynKnicks3
07-01-2011, 12:17 AM
Kobe

tredigs
07-01-2011, 12:28 AM
I almost want to go contrarian and make a case for Kareem given the landslide we just witnessed (most lopsided poll I've seen in a long time... anywhere).

And when it comes down to it, there's really no doubt in my mind that Lew Alcindor had by far the best basketball career of any player to play the game; IE, if you include high school + college + professional dominance, it's not even close. Kareem is widely considered the best high school and college player ever, along with a top 3 professional.

I think MJ was the best playoff player ever, and the best player on the road (also the best competitor I've ever seen personally, period), so I choose to give him the nod as GOAT.

But I'm very open and respectful to a person's opinion when they choose Kareem - who had the best basketball career in the games history - and if that is your interpretation of best player, then so be it.