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WSUJJ
06-27-2011, 03:47 PM
Out of all the teams that didn't make the playoffs, which team will make it the farthest this year, barring a lockout.

I'm goin out on the limb year saying the T-wolves.
Rubio
Beasley
Williams
Love
Miller

Mile High Champ
06-27-2011, 03:52 PM
There really is no reason for this thread. All it is going to do is start baiting, arguing and all that other garbage.

WSUJJ
06-27-2011, 04:03 PM
if your childish, yes.

GoPacers33
06-27-2011, 04:04 PM
Ya I think the TWolves are on the rise

koLohe2133
06-27-2011, 04:05 PM
There really is no reason for this thread. All it is going to do is start baiting, arguing and all that other garbage.

Let em have their fun wannabe David stern...

I say the clippers, especially if they get iggy...

If Blake is a real STAR he will carry them to an 8seed at least

Dol-Fan
06-27-2011, 04:07 PM
There really is no reason for this thread. All it is going to do is start baiting, arguing and all that other garbage.

Way to start it off on a good note...

all he's asking is who's going to make the best turnaround of the bad teams. I see no foul play, except for a misleading thread title.

I will agree with the T-Wolves, I think that if Rubio works out, they could actually steal some games next year. What happens with Beasley and Wesley Johnson, though? One of them can certainly come off the bench, maybe the other traded for a SG or C (although I do like Martell Webster when healthy) They really should have taken Cousins or Monroe last year.

Clippers as well, of course.

asandhu23
06-27-2011, 04:10 PM
worst teams? really? close thread.

MacFitz92
06-27-2011, 04:11 PM
Michael Beasley isn't a 2.. Lol.

WSUJJ
06-27-2011, 04:13 PM
^ has played it this year

Sadds The Gr8
06-27-2011, 04:14 PM
Raptors.

pd1dish
06-27-2011, 04:18 PM
Michael Beasley isn't a 2.. Lol.

if they want Beasley and Derrick Williams in the starting lineup, then Beasley is a 2.

to answer the original question, the lottery team i see making the playoffs are the Clippers.

chonbon
06-27-2011, 04:19 PM
Raptors.

take it back saddler, you know you're lying

Swashcuff
06-27-2011, 04:24 PM
^ has played it this year

LeBron also player C for the Heat this past season.

johnsonfasho
06-27-2011, 04:26 PM
Sacramento kings has a chance. Hopefully D. Cousins and Tyreke Evans can take their game to the next level this season. And hopefully jimmer can can be solid

Hawkeye15
06-27-2011, 04:30 PM
How are we judging this? Who will make the biggest win jump? Or who will make the playoffs?

-Kobe24-TJ19-
06-27-2011, 04:30 PM
Cleveland

WSUJJ
06-27-2011, 04:30 PM
LeBron also player C for the Heat this past season.

good. I'm jus saying there's no reason he can't play there this year.

Kashmir13579
06-27-2011, 04:32 PM
Twolves have a stacked roster. Will KAhn bring in that veteran leader that they desperately need?

Hawkeye15
06-27-2011, 04:32 PM
and no, Beasley did not play any 2. Ever.

Snowman23
06-27-2011, 04:33 PM
clippers.

WSUJJ
06-27-2011, 04:35 PM
and no, Beasley did not play any 2. Ever.

when we played darko/randolph/love/ridnour/beasley, he did play two

Hawkeye15
06-27-2011, 04:37 PM
when we played darko/randolph/love/ridnour/beasley, he did play two

I honestly don't remember ever seeing that lineup dude.

Move on. Beasley is not a 2. No need in debating it. You and I both know this.

Arch Stanton
06-27-2011, 04:38 PM
Cleveland

I doubt it and I hope not. They need to be a lottery team for at least two more seasons to legitimately contend in the future.

Hawkeye15
06-27-2011, 04:39 PM
http://www.82games.com/1011/10MIN12.HTM

Beasley position by percentage of time on the floor, and the top 20 units for the Wolves, none of which used Beasley at the 2

Hawkeye15
06-27-2011, 04:42 PM
I think Minnesota can be the team that makes the biggest jump in wins, but that is for numerous reasons. They had an expected 24 wins last season, and won just 17. With a year of maturity, Derrick Williams and Ricky Rubio, plus whatever vets they pick up, and a new coach, they could make a 15-20 game jump.

I will believe it when I see it, but theoritically its possible.

The Nets aren't a bad choice either here btw. A healthy Williams and Lopez, with Humphries, Brooks, along with the slim chance Outlaw could ever play that bad again, they may rise in wins by a decent margin

WSUJJ
06-27-2011, 04:43 PM
not sure what position he played then when that lineup was in

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-27-2011, 04:44 PM
I don't know why but I see the Clippers being a disappointment.

sf-fanatic
06-27-2011, 04:47 PM
I think the warriors can sneak into the playoffs.

Anyways, I expect the t-wolves to win 35+ games this year although I honestly don't see them making the playoffs.

And Beasley as the starting 2 would be TERRIBLE. Not only will he be inefficient on offense, he will let opposing teams guards blow by him all day. If they wanna start Williams, start Johnson and move Beasley to the bench where he can shoot all he wants and the wolves can live with his defense as a 6th man. Johnson is better all-around.

THE GIPPER
06-27-2011, 04:53 PM
Clippers

heyman321
06-27-2011, 04:58 PM
There really is no reason for this thread. All it is going to do is start baiting, arguing and all that other garbage.

I guess every thread on every forum on the internet has to be closed. Jeez.

Sadds The Gr8
06-27-2011, 05:05 PM
take it back saddler, you know you're lying

Raps 4 LYFE

Delfiffer
06-27-2011, 05:57 PM
Rockets

topdog
06-27-2011, 06:15 PM
I like my Wolves' chances, but I'd say New Jersey has the best bet when you look at how much better they were after the trade.

Sactown
06-27-2011, 06:24 PM
I think the Kings have a solid chance at being a playoff team if certain things pan out haha such as

Tyreke develops a jumper and takes the next step

Cousins comes into the season in shape and develops a little

The Jimmer show includes passing the ball and not throwing up a ton of 35 footers

Sign a big and a SF

daleja424
06-27-2011, 06:26 PM
I think the Kings have a solid chance at being a playoff team if certain things pan out haha such as

Tyreke develops a jumper and takes the next step

Cousins comes into the season in shape and develops a little

The Jimmer show includes passing the ball and not throwing up a ton of 35 footers

Sign a big and a SF

Of course you do...

but lets be honest... they are not going to jump over 6 teams and double their win total in one season b/c they drafted Jimmer Fredette...

daleja424
06-27-2011, 06:27 PM
gotta be the Raptors IMO... of the bottom three teams from a year ago the Raptors made the least improvement from a roster standpoint.

gaughan333
06-27-2011, 06:37 PM
Biggest win increase - Twolves
Chance to make playoffs - Nets if Dwill stays healthy and Lopez doesn't get mono again

RedRicanoBx
06-27-2011, 06:38 PM
I like these 3...

Timberwolves
Bobcats
Nets


I hope they all make it It will be un to see new faces...

DR_1
06-27-2011, 06:46 PM
T-Wolves and Clippers.

tyfreaks brotha
06-27-2011, 06:46 PM
:facepalm:

tyfreaks brotha
06-27-2011, 06:48 PM
Of course you do...

but lets be honest... they are not going to jump over 6 teams and double their win total in one season b/c they drafted Jimmer Fredette...

Yeah cuz it's not like you can't improve your second or third season :rolleyes:

Tony_Starks
06-27-2011, 07:05 PM
Clipps will probably make the best improvement. Finally no more of BD's tomfoolery. BLake and EG will only get better. If they can swing that trade for Iggy they will really be a problem.

As far as playoffs I see New Jersey getting in. Not that they're good but the east is so horrible they should be able to make the 8th spot on the strength of D Will....

AnalyzeNShoot
06-27-2011, 07:16 PM
Cleveland too many youngs, need time to grow. but they will be really good. but this year though

Dash
06-27-2011, 07:19 PM
Cavs will improve the most.

ragee
06-27-2011, 07:26 PM
The Wolves has a pretty stacked lineup with promising young stars so they have a chance to make a huge jump... Griffin and Gordon will only continue to improve that will help the Clippers make their case... However, I am going to pick the Nets... D-Will is a proven superstar... I say he is the number 2 pg in the league but that could be argued so lets just say he is in the top 3... A true PG that will make his help his teammates get easy shots... I see a huge improvement in Lopez in the offensive end...

daleja424
06-27-2011, 07:38 PM
Yeah cuz it's not like you can't improve your second or third season :rolleyes:

yeah cuz its not like the young Nuggets, Clippers, Jazz, Wolves and Warriors will also improve given time to mature...

Stop being such a homer...

The Spurs, Lakers, Mavs, Thunder, Trailblazers, Nuggets, and Grizzlies will all be back strong next year. That leaves one playoff spot... meaning that the Kings would have to be better than the Rockets, Suns, Jazz, Warriors, Clippers, Wolves, and Hornets to get a playoff spot... ;)

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-27-2011, 07:39 PM
I think if the Jimmer and Tyreke back court project works for SAC I think they could make the playoffs.

daleja424
06-27-2011, 07:47 PM
I think if the Jimmer and Tyreke back court project works for SAC I think they could make the playoffs.

would you bet money on it?

D-Leethal
06-27-2011, 07:48 PM
Craptors

Il Mago50
06-27-2011, 07:48 PM
Raptors or T-Wolves. Wolves have great young players in Love, Randolph, Beasley and Johnson with sold rookies with potential in Rubioverrated and Williams coming in.

Raptorsalready have Davis, Bayless, James Johnson and Derozen, add to that Bargnani's talents if his defense is covered up, Jonas Valancianus in a year, another lottery pick and a big FA like Wilson Chandler and this team is a playoff team next year.

Mplsman
06-27-2011, 07:51 PM
Clippers
Wolves
Nets

is that the consensus?

Young talent galore right there. These are the teams of the future, the new generation, once the old stars of today start fading away...

Il Mago50
06-27-2011, 07:55 PM
Craptors

Refresh me, how many times have the Knicks made it into the playoffs since 2000? How many times did they win more then 42 games?

Knicks:

2010-11 New York 42 40 .512 2nd Atlantic Division 0 4 .000 Lost East Conf 1st Rd
2009-10 New York 29 53 .354 3rd Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2008-09 New York 32 50 .390 5th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2007-08 New York 23 59 .280 5th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2006-07 New York 33 49 .402 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2005-06 New York 23 59 .280 5th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2004-05 New York 33 49 .402 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2003-04 New York 39 43 .476 3rd Atlantic Division 0 4 .000 Lost East Conf 1st Rd
2002-03 New York 37 45 .451 5th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2001-02 New York 30 52 .366 7th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2000-01 New York 48 34 .585 3rd Atlantic Division 2 3 .400 Lost East Conf 1st Rd


Raptors:
2010-11 Toronto 22 60 .268 5th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2009-10 Toronto 40 42 .488 2nd Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2008-09 Toronto 33 49 .402 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2007-08 Toronto 41 41 .500 2nd Atlantic Division 1 4 .200 Lost East Conf 1st Rd
2006-07 Toronto 47 35 .573 1st Atlantic Division 2 4 .333 Lost East Conf 1st Rd
2005-06 Toronto 27 55 .329 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2004-05 Toronto 33 49 .402 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2003-04 Toronto 33 49 .402 6th Central Division - - - DNQ
2002-03 Toronto 24 58 .293 7th Central Division - - - DNQ
2001-02 Toronto 42 40 .512 3rd Central Division 2 3 .400 Lost East Conf 1st Rd
2000-01 Toronto 47 35 .573 2nd Central Division 6 6 .500 Lost East Conf Semis


I take offense when people call us the Craptors because (assuming you're a Knick fan since you're from NY apparently in your location) teams like the Knicks who are seen as this gloriously run franchise and the cream of the crop of markets has been an absolute dump and has less success then us in regular season and playoffs since 2000...

You call us the Craptors, I call ya'll the the New York S***ts, that's just my two cents on it.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-27-2011, 07:56 PM
would you bet money on it?

I would say a little. Not a lot though.

daleja424
06-27-2011, 08:01 PM
I would say a little. Not a lot though.

precisely... could the Kings make the playoffs? sure...

could I win the lottery? sure...

doesn't mean it is the safe bet... or the likely outcome though.

IndiansFan337
06-27-2011, 08:11 PM
Out of all the teams that didn't make the playoffs, which team will make it the farthest this year, barring a lockout.

I'm goin out on the limb year saying the T-wolves.
Rubio
Beasley
Williams
Love
Miller

I think we'll see a pretty decent jump by Washington this season. They need to rid themselves of some of the chuckers that they have in Blatche and Nick Young. Hopefully they'll let Young depart via F/A. They have a lot of depth now. They just need Blatche to stop being a complete black hole and not shoot every single time he touches the ball.

WSUJJ
06-27-2011, 08:14 PM
i honestly don't think the raptors are going to make the next step because they don't have that scorer you need to go deep in playoffs

Hawkeye15
06-27-2011, 08:19 PM
I think we'll see a pretty decent jump by Washington this season. They need to rid themselves of some of the chuckers that they have in Blatche and Nick Young. Hopefully they'll let Young depart via F/A. They have a lot of depth now. They just need Blatche to stop being a complete black hole and not shoot every single time he touches the ball.

good call on the Wiz, I nearly forgot about them. They will need to mature badly to meet your prediction however.

BrooklynBandito
06-27-2011, 08:45 PM
Raptors or T-Wolves. Wolves have great young players in Love, Randolph, Beasley and Johnson with sold rookies with potential in Rubioverrated and Williams coming in.

Raptorsalready have Davis, Bayless, James Johnson and Derozen, add to that Bargnani's talents if his defense is covered up, Jonas Valancianus in a year, another lottery pick and a big FA like Wilson Chandler and this team is a playoff team next year.



..........:facepalm:

papipapsmanny
06-27-2011, 08:46 PM
Im thinking the wiz have a good chance. Flip Saunders should just beat blatche and young, if they do stupid things, and beat them every day until they learn

Wall/Mack
Young/Crawford
Lewis/Vesly/Singleton
Blatche/Booker/Seraphin
Mcgee/Ndiaye

Its not a bad roster, Raw would be the way to describe it. Lot of potential/youngsters. There is Lewis, then a bunch of 25 year olds and younger

tyfreaks brotha
06-27-2011, 08:53 PM
yeah cuz its not like the young Nuggets, Clippers, Jazz, Wolves and Warriors will also improve given time to mature...

Stop being such a homer...

The Spurs, Lakers, Mavs, Thunder, Trailblazers, Nuggets, and Grizzlies will all be back strong next year. That leaves one playoff spot... meaning that the Kings would have to be better than the Rockets, Suns, Jazz, Warriors, Clippers, Wolves, and Hornets to get a playoff spot... ;)

How the **** am I a homer? We aren't gonna be the worst ****ing team. Spurs, declining and if Parker is out like rumors say, there done. Memphis may lose Marc so we never know. Suns all they have is Nash, Wolves Suck, West may leave and Paul may get injuried. We aren't going to be the best team or in the playoffs but damnitt we aren't goin to be the worst

daleja424
06-27-2011, 08:56 PM
How the **** am I a homer? We aren't gonna be the worst ****ing team. Spurs, declining and if Parker is out like rumors say, there done. Memphis may lose Marc so we never know. Suns all they have is Nash, Wolves Suck, West may leave and Paul may get injuried. We aren't going to be the best team or in the playoffs but damnitt we aren't goin to be the worst

Never said they were the worst... all I said was that they arent a playoff team...

but if you really need all of those things to happen... maybe you are the worst (lol... just playing)

tyfreaks brotha
06-27-2011, 08:59 PM
Well I know we aren't gonna get in the playoffs, but lmao we ain't gonna be the worst

FlakeyFool
06-27-2011, 09:09 PM
I hope the Raptors are

blastmasta26
06-27-2011, 09:21 PM
I think the Clippers. Gordon, Griffin, Jordan, Bledsoe, Williams, and Kaman is a pretty good team. If they can acquire Iggy, it's a definite.

I'm a little skeptical about the Wolves. They have talent for sure. But I think a lockout-shortened season would hurt them next year, they look like a team that needs another year to develop before making an impact. It's just my opinion, but I don't think Beasley is going to be very good and Rubio may need time to adjust to the NBA. However, if they can move Beasley to free up space for Derrick Williams and even Wesley Johnson to obtain a veteran center or shooting guard, I can put them up there with the Clippers.

Il Mago50
06-27-2011, 10:14 PM
..........:facepalm:

What're the Raptors really missing? We have a good young PG in Bayless that's finally getting his first serious burn...we have Ed Davis who missed training camp and first month or so of the season and yet put up 8 and 8 and playing solid help side D while not playing at 100% or starting...we have AB who put up 21 PPG while being focal point of other teams' defenses and who's weaknesses if masked, make us a much better team (see: Evans, Reggie, Raptors record and play before broken foot)...we have an athletic and talented wing player in James Johnson who can do a bit of everything, playing hard and defends and reminds me of a bigger, younger Gerald Wallace at this stage of his development...we have Linas Kleiza who is a solid 6th-7th guy who can put up double figures, rebound and play gritty...we have a warrior in Amir Johnson...oh...and we have that Demar Derozen kid too, heard he's pretty good...

Add a player of Wilson Chandler's abilities and a defensive workhorse of a coach in Dwyane Casey and please tell me this team cannot up-end a few teams and sneak into the 8th seed if healthy...

Hawkeye15
06-27-2011, 10:22 PM
I think the Clippers. Gordon, Griffin, Jordan, Bledsoe, Williams, and Kaman is a pretty good team. If they can acquire Iggy, it's a definite.

I'm a little skeptical about the Wolves. They have talent for sure. But I think a lockout-shortened season would hurt them next year, they look like a team that needs another year to develop before making an impact. It's just my opinion, but I don't think Beasley is going to be very good and Rubio may need time to adjust to the NBA. However, if they can move Beasley to free up space for Derrick Williams and even Wesley Johnson to obtain a veteran center or shooting guard, I can put them up there with the Clippers.

As an insane Wolves fans, I share your same concern. I need to see it to believe it with them at this point.

xxplayerxx23
06-27-2011, 10:45 PM
The nets IMO will be an 8 seed this year/

xxplayerxx23
06-27-2011, 10:49 PM
Refresh me, how many times have the Knicks made it into the playoffs since 2000? How many times did they win more then 42 games?

Knicks:

2010-11 New York 42 40 .512 2nd Atlantic Division 0 4 .000 Lost East Conf 1st Rd
2009-10 New York 29 53 .354 3rd Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2008-09 New York 32 50 .390 5th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2007-08 New York 23 59 .280 5th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2006-07 New York 33 49 .402 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2005-06 New York 23 59 .280 5th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2004-05 New York 33 49 .402 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2003-04 New York 39 43 .476 3rd Atlantic Division 0 4 .000 Lost East Conf 1st Rd
2002-03 New York 37 45 .451 5th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2001-02 New York 30 52 .366 7th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2000-01 New York 48 34 .585 3rd Atlantic Division 2 3 .400 Lost East Conf 1st Rd


Raptors:
2010-11 Toronto 22 60 .268 5th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2009-10 Toronto 40 42 .488 2nd Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2008-09 Toronto 33 49 .402 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2007-08 Toronto 41 41 .500 2nd Atlantic Division 1 4 .200 Lost East Conf 1st Rd
2006-07 Toronto 47 35 .573 1st Atlantic Division 2 4 .333 Lost East Conf 1st Rd
2005-06 Toronto 27 55 .329 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2004-05 Toronto 33 49 .402 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
2003-04 Toronto 33 49 .402 6th Central Division - - - DNQ
2002-03 Toronto 24 58 .293 7th Central Division - - - DNQ
2001-02 Toronto 42 40 .512 3rd Central Division 2 3 .400 Lost East Conf 1st Rd
2000-01 Toronto 47 35 .573 2nd Central Division 6 6 .500 Lost East Conf Semis


I take offense when people call us the Craptors because (assuming you're a Knick fan since you're from NY apparently in your location) teams like the Knicks who are seen as this gloriously run franchise and the cream of the crop of markets has been an absolute dump and has less success then us in regular season and playoffs since 2000...

You call us the Craptors, I call ya'll the the New York S***ts, that's just my two cents on it.

Yeah but the knicks will be in the playoffs this year while the raptors will struggle to win 33 games, Dont compare the Knicks and tornto the past is the past we have a brighter future then You. There was no need for him to call them craptors but dont come at NY when we are going to be a dangourus team this year while the raptors will not get into the playoffs

Hitman21
06-27-2011, 11:23 PM
Relax Il Mago50...not only do the knicks have a brighter future, and an amazing past..we also happen to be the NBA most profitable franchise

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/32/basketball-valuations-11_New-York-Knicks_328815.html

No one wants to play for toronto...

Kia Kaha
06-27-2011, 11:27 PM
Im a huge wolves fan and i see us improving but i think the clippers are the team that will make the big jump..Eric Gordon really come on last year and an even more improved gordon with the beast Blake could do some damage i think.

The wolves will be good though..i see the wolves getting about 35 wins which would be a good improvment, i am just worried about who the head coach may be and if the lockout really damages some of the teams chemistry and development

Kirgie
06-27-2011, 11:30 PM
T-wolves easily. They are STACKED with potential talent. They got Kevin Love and Brad Miller to lead the way!!

PG Ricky Rubio
SG Wesley Johnson
SF Derrick Williams/Michael Beasley
PF: Kevin Love
C: Brad Miller

WSUJJ
06-27-2011, 11:31 PM
How the **** am I a homer? We aren't gonna be the worst ****ing team. Spurs, declining and if Parker is out like rumors say, there done. Memphis may lose Marc so we never know. Suns all they have is Nash, Wolves Suck, West may leave and Paul may get injuried. We aren't going to be the best team or in the playoffs but damnitt we aren't goin to be the worst

wtf? and maybe the big 3 may get injured??? that was the stupidist point ever.

Tmac,lt,berkman
06-27-2011, 11:41 PM
ummm no love for the rockets?????

guards- kyle lowry, kevin martin, chase budinger, courtney lee, terrence williams, goran dragic, johnny flynn,

posts- luis scola, chuck hayes, patrick patterson, jordan hill, yao, thabeet,

rookies-marcus morris, dontas montieunas, chandler parsons

koreancabbage
06-27-2011, 11:49 PM
Yeah but the knicks will be in the playoffs this year while the raptors will struggle to win 33 games, Dont compare the Knicks and tornto the past is the past we have a brighter future then You. There was no need for him to call them craptors but dont come at NY when we are going to be a dangourus team this year while the raptors will not get into the playoffs

LOLZ Knicks will not even win a championship with Melo and Amare at the helm. The Knicks well meddle with mediocrity for a long time, and continue to break the hearts of many Knicks fans.

at least the Raptors are continuing to gather young players with potential and when they make their run in due time, especially after next year's draft. something the Knicks were doing until they abandoned their plans and traded all their young players away for a black hole.

yes we are the craptors, according to some, but in a few years, when you guys trade away Melo and Amare and rebuild, the Raptors will be closer to a championship than the Knicks are right now.

FriedTofuz
06-27-2011, 11:51 PM
Lots of baiting in this thread, keep it clean guys. No need to target anyone's team. This thread will not go well.

WSUJJ
06-27-2011, 11:52 PM
^ jus homers

BrokenAnkles
06-27-2011, 11:53 PM
I look at the Clippers and Wolves as two teams who can take off this year, both led by the 2 best PF's of the 2010's. If the clippers didn't deal there 1st round pick to cleveland I think they would be a lock for the playoffs.

FriedTofuz
06-27-2011, 11:54 PM
LOLZ Knicks will not even win a championship with Melo and Amare at the helm. The Knicks well meddle with mediocrity for a long time, and continue to break the hearts of many Knicks fans.

at least the Raptors are continuing to gather young players with potential and when they make their run in due time, especially after next year's draft. something the Knicks were doing until they abandoned their plans and traded all their young players away for a black hole.

yes we are the craptors, according to some, but in a few years, when you guys trade away Melo and Amare and rebuild, the Raptors will be closer to a championship than the Knicks are right now.

The raptors have a brighter future. With their added young talent, they should have a very bright future. The knicks shall only succeed if they cash in via Free agency.


yes we are the craptors, according to some, but in a few years, when you guys trade away Melo and Amare and rebuild, the Raptors will be closer to a championship than the Knicks are right now

Why would they trade away melo and amare? makes no sense. How will the raptors be closer to a championship? In a few years? Thats nonsense. There is already a lockout. In 16 years, the raptors have never been close to championship. The most games won was 47. The raptors are not a few years away from being a championship contender.

FriedTofuz
06-27-2011, 11:55 PM
^ jus homers

That is true. No one wants their team to be known as last.

koreancabbage
06-27-2011, 11:55 PM
Relax Il Mago50...not only do the knicks have a brighter future, and an amazing past..we also happen to be the NBA most profitable franchise

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/32/basketball-valuations-11_New-York-Knicks_328815.html

No one wants to play for toronto...

okay, sure, but for Toronto to be #10 on that list in such a short history and relatively low-success, is a testament how strong their fan base is.

no one wants to play for toronto cuz they haven't been good. Things change when the team starts winning. it took forever for New York to acquire star players cuz they sucked for the longest time (I don't think even think good role players will even go to New York when you have other teams that are contending for a championship - i just don't think New York has that lightning rod effect on most players anymore)

koreancabbage
06-27-2011, 11:58 PM
The raptors have a brighter future. With their added young talent, they should have a very bright future. The knicks shall only succeed if they cash in via Free agency.



Why would they trade away melo and amare? makes no sense. How will the raptors be closer to a championship? In a few years? Thats nonsense. There is already a lockout. In 16 years, the raptors have never been close to championship. The most games won was 47. The raptors are not a few years away from being a championship contender.

when i said in a few years- i meant 5 years. do you not think in 5 years time, if they haven't won a championship with Amare and Melo, that Melo and amare will be traded for younger parts? most people are delusional that Melo and Amare are championship material. that's why i can safely say the Raptors will be closer to a championship.

i didn't say that Raptors will win a championship, i'm just saying they will be closer to one than the Knicks right now.

iamsteel
06-28-2011, 12:01 AM
can I flip it and pick the 10 worst (no order)?

Jazz
Suns
76ers
Kings
Cavs
Pistons
Bucks
Pacers
Raptors
Wizards

FriedTofuz
06-28-2011, 12:01 AM
when i said in a few years- i meant 5 years. do you not think in 5 years time, if they haven't won a championship with Amare and Melo, that Melo and amare will be traded for younger parts? most people are delusional that Melo and Amare are championship material. that's why i can safely say the Raptors will be closer to a championship.

i didn't say that Raptors will win a championship, i'm just saying they will be closer to one than the Knicks right now.

Sorry, 5 years sounds more reasonable, Next time define how much is a few. I thought you ment to say 2-3 years ( which is a few) . No way is 5 considered a few. The knicks wont win a championship, but they are certainly closer to it than the raptors as of this moment. THis is because they have all star players currently on their roaster. They also have cap to sign another free agent star that can push them to the top.

WSUJJ
06-28-2011, 12:07 AM
can I flip it and pick the 10 worst (no order)?

Jazz
Suns
76ers
Kings
Cavs
Pistons
Bucks
Pacers
Raptors
Wizards

jazz????

iamsteel
06-28-2011, 12:16 AM
jazz????

All their best players are PFs. Favors, Big Al, Milsap, and AK47 is a FA I think. They got some good rookies, but need to make some moves to keep their best players on the court to compete.

WSUJJ
06-28-2011, 12:22 AM
price, burks, harris.


dont forget bout kanter

iamsteel
06-28-2011, 12:26 AM
It's not that they don't have good players, but when you compare them to other teams, they will not be very good. no offense, just my opinion.

WSUJJ
06-28-2011, 12:28 AM
....but you don't have the twolves on there...
btw twolves my fav team so dont think im baitin...

iamsteel
06-28-2011, 12:31 AM
....but you don't have the twolves on there...
btw twolves my fav team so dont think im baitin...

I really believe they will be 11 or 12th worst this year. But I may just be a homer.

WSUJJ
06-28-2011, 12:32 AM
me too, i jus think jazz are better right now

BuddhaMONK
06-28-2011, 12:34 AM
I hope it's the Raptors # 1 overall in next years draft would be unreal.

iamsteel
06-28-2011, 12:37 AM
let's just hope we will be able to see what happens. The Hornets could end up in the bottom too. West and Gray are opting out, but CP3 will make anyone be better and single-handedly get wins. Just like this year.

raidersrock99
06-28-2011, 03:00 AM
well i look at it this way the worst teams from the east have a better chance at making the playoffs than the teams from the west. however in win increase i would go

clippers
wolves
kings

in that order

the clippers obviously have the star in the making in blake griffin, and the t-wolves have a solid lineup with vast improvements, you cant forget they have wes johnson too to go along w/ rubio,beasley,love,williams thats some young talent..

imo the kings are on the rise but it all lies on what they do w/ jimmer and how it pans out..

if they go with a lineup of

evans
thorton
salmons
thompson
cousins
with jimmer subbing in and dalembert they can compete w/ anyone...also you have to factor in that free agency hasnt happened yet so some bad teams will iimprove via free agency like the cavs and clippers..

todu82
06-28-2011, 08:06 AM
Minnesota, think Love's going to get better. Think they could win between 35 and 40 games next year.

WSU Tony
06-28-2011, 09:16 AM
35 Max for the Wolves. They are starting 2 rookies this year.... That's a bad thing in the win column.

WSUJJ
06-28-2011, 12:56 PM
well i look at it this way the worst teams from the east have a better chance at making the playoffs than the teams from the west. however in win increase i would go

clippers
wolves
kings

in that order

the clippers obviously have the star in the making in blake griffin, and the t-wolves have a solid lineup with vast improvements, you cant forget they have wes johnson too to go along w/ rubio,beasley,love,williams thats some young talent..

imo the kings are on the rise but it all lies on what they do w/ jimmer and how it pans out..

if they go with a lineup of

evans
thorton
salmons
thompson
cousins
with jimmer subbing in and dalembert they can compete w/ anyone...also you have to factor in that free agency hasnt happened yet so some bad teams will iimprove via free agency like the cavs and clippers..

dalembert gonna leave via free agency

Sadds The Gr8
06-28-2011, 12:57 PM
35 Max for the Wolves. They are starting 2 rookies this year.... That's a bad thing in the win column.

D-Will is starting? i thought he's come off the bench for Beasley

Hawkeye15
06-28-2011, 01:12 PM
D-Will is starting? i thought he's come off the bench for Beasley

well, he meant 2 rookies getting major minutes. We have discussed it in the Wolves board. I also think 35 wins is about their max, but its possible with a new coach and some growth with our players.

Hawkeye15
06-28-2011, 01:13 PM
I personally feel Kings fans will be very disappointed by Jimmer. I don't think he will be much more than a spot up shooter who can get a few looks off pull ups. But his defense is horrendous, and he is a scoring guard.

Just my personal opinion

blastmasta26
06-28-2011, 01:25 PM
I personally feel Kings fans will be very disappointed by Jimmer. I don't think he will be much more than a spot up shooter who can get a few looks off pull ups. But his defense is horrendous, and he is a scoring guard.

Just my personal opinion
I agree, I don't see Jimmer being the great scorer that some people think he will be. But if Tyreke can return to form and then build off the rookie season he had two years ago, he could end up drawing defenders and getting open looks for Jimmer. He is likely to be a floor-spreading role player and not much more as you said.

Bunta
06-28-2011, 01:26 PM
Cleveland.

WSU Tony
06-28-2011, 01:40 PM
Cleveland? LOL.

Hawkeye15
06-28-2011, 01:54 PM
Cleveland? LOL.

Was I the only one not surprised when Tristan Thompson went 3rd? I thought he was the 2nd best big man prospect in the draft. Cleveland very well could have a better rookie guard/big duo. Depends on Rubio imo.

blacknell
06-28-2011, 01:54 PM
cavs hands down

Tony_Starks
06-28-2011, 04:29 PM
Don't sleep on Milwaukee with a Jennings/ Jackson backcourt. Their D was always solid they just couldn't put enough points on the board. Getting rid of Corey the overrated overpaid black hole Maggette can only do wonders as well........

Hawkeye15
06-28-2011, 04:34 PM
Don't sleep on Milwaukee with a Jennings/ Jackson backcourt. Their D was always solid they just couldn't put enough points on the board. Getting rid of Corey the overrated overpaid black hole Maggette can only do wonders as well........

they were so unhealthy too. Just getting healthy will add 10 wins.

Rego247
06-28-2011, 04:47 PM
Was I the only one not surprised when Tristan Thompson went 3rd? I thought he was the 2nd best big man prospect in the draft. Cleveland very well could have a better rookie guard/big duo. Depends on Rubio imo.

you shoulda been, since he went 4th. :cool:

also Val>TT

85BearsDefense
06-28-2011, 04:52 PM
Golden State Warriors

Hawkeye15
06-28-2011, 05:01 PM
you shoulda been, since he went 4th. :cool:

also Val>TT

yeah, my bad. I knew he went 4th. But he is a lot better than most think he is.

Rego247
06-28-2011, 06:19 PM
yeah, my bad. I knew he went 4th. But he is a lot better than most think he is.

i think he could easily become double double guy in this league.

he's the first of many canadian talents coming to the league over next few years.

Bunta
06-28-2011, 06:26 PM
I personally feel Kings fans will be very disappointed by Jimmer. I don't think he will be much more than a spot up shooter who can get a few looks off pull ups. But his defense is horrendous, and he is a scoring guard.

Just my personal opinion

I didn't think much of him at all. It appeared he was getting attention for being a white american male.

Bunta
06-28-2011, 06:27 PM
Cleveland? LOL.

Cleveland.

Crackadalic
06-28-2011, 07:41 PM
Clippers IMO

Hawkeye15
06-28-2011, 07:58 PM
you shoulda been, since he went 4th. :cool:

also Val>TT

haha, didn't pay attention to that 2nd quote. I disagree. But he is your pick, so you guys will overrate him for now.

Gators123
06-28-2011, 08:16 PM
Thompson will be the 2nd best big in the draft after Kanter.

CB29
06-28-2011, 09:02 PM
Thompson will be the 2nd best big in the draft after Kanter.

watch out for jonas valanciunas buddy... he will be the best player from this draft in 3 years

MalZee24
06-28-2011, 09:04 PM
LeBron also player C for the Heat this past season.

funny thing is lebron could probably play center and probably guard most centers in the nba.

KnicksR4Real
06-28-2011, 09:27 PM
clippers

BuddhaMONK
06-28-2011, 09:50 PM
watch out for jonas valanciunas buddy... he will be the best player from this draft in 3 years

no he won't. Tristan thompson got way more upside, more athletic, better defender, and rebounder.

BuddhaMONK
06-28-2011, 09:52 PM
haha, didn't pay attention to that 2nd quote. I disagree. But he is your pick, so you guys will overrate him for now.

Raptor fans always do.

Rego247
06-28-2011, 10:01 PM
no he won't. Tristan thompson got way more upside, more athletic, better defender, and rebounder.

strongly disagree there. but you seem to have your mind made up about Val so nothing i say will change it.

regardless, its great to have some home grown talent in the NBA.

Makaveli_801
06-28-2011, 10:06 PM
The jazz have so much talent a lot of people don't know what their talking about if you watched the jazz you would understand. Their team was playing with 7 guys for most of the season also all the adapting. Mansap, Favors, Big AL, Devon Harris, Kanter, Burks, Hayward was really good to end the season took Kobe to school. My east coast team is the Bucks they had alot of injurys and Andrew Bogut was out for most the season. If you seriously think Minnesota or the Cavs gonna make the playoffs you must be in a really deep sleep dreaming.

TO Rapz
06-28-2011, 10:28 PM
Raptors.

KnicksR4Real
06-28-2011, 10:33 PM
threads like this start beef

Rego247
06-28-2011, 10:39 PM
haha, didn't pay attention to that 2nd quote. I disagree. But he is your pick, so you guys will overrate him for now.

haha i don't think i am. and considering the way he dominated the US today, i'd say he's a steal at 5.

Deemerc
06-28-2011, 10:57 PM
Yeah but the knicks will be in the playoffs this year while the raptors will struggle to win 33 games, Dont compare the Knicks and tornto the past is the past we have a brighter future then You. There was no need for him to call them craptors but dont come at NY when we are going to be a dangourus team this year while the raptors will not get into the playoffs

I dont understand why Knicks fans swear they have a bright future and dangerous team, they jus got swept by senior citizens

BuddhaMONK
06-28-2011, 11:03 PM
haha i don't think i am. and considering the way he dominated the US today, i'd say he's a steal at 5.

Jonas isn't great in any one area (except free throws), he's not that good offensively and he's not that good defensively. Tristan thompson is already good defensively and is also supposed to be a real hard worker (a gym rat), so I got my money on him to have the better career. Him playng with irving is gonna be allyoop madness.

Team*Chicago
06-28-2011, 11:07 PM
TimberWolves


I dont understand why Knicks fans swear they have a bright future and dangerous team, they jus got swept by senior citizens

:laugh2: Because they got Carmelo and Amare.

BuddhaMONK
06-28-2011, 11:12 PM
TimberWolves



:laugh2: Because they got Carmelo and Amare.

both are awful defenders

Ironman5219
06-28-2011, 11:21 PM
Utah is on the rise although I think they will break out for a title run in 2 years

Rego247
06-28-2011, 11:24 PM
Jonas isn't great in any one area (except free throws), he's not that good offensively and he's not that good defensively. Tristan thompson is already good defensively and is also supposed to be a real hard worker (a gym rat), so I got my money on him to have the better career. Him playng with irving is gonna be allyoop madness.

he's only 19 years old mind you. and thompson is far from polished offensive player either. i still think TT will be a good player (like i said double double guy), i just think Val has the higher ceiling. with his size and reach he has a capability of being a great defender and rebounder. he has a high motor, and people say he has great work ethic too. his frame will allow him to put 20-25 pounds, which will prevent him from being outmuscled in the post. both guys are far from finished products, but if i had to choose one i'd definitely go with jonas.

Hawkeye15
06-28-2011, 11:27 PM
haha i don't think i am. and considering the way he dominated the US today, i'd say he's a steal at 5.

What do you expect of him Rego? I have my guess on his career, but its just that, a guess...

I can only watch and study a player with whatever is available. You as well

Rego247
06-28-2011, 11:40 PM
What do you expect of him Rego? I have my guess on his career, but its just that, a guess...

I can only watch and study a player with whatever is available. You as well

honestly hawk i got him maxed out as a 18 and 10 guy. this of course won't be for a couple of years, but he has all the tools to be the franchise center we need. it all depends on how good he wants to be.

Slimsim
06-28-2011, 11:41 PM
when i said in a few years- i meant 5 years. do you not think in 5 years time, if they haven't won a championship with Amare and Melo, that Melo and amare will be traded for younger parts? most people are delusional that Melo and Amare are championship material. that's why i can safely say the Raptors will be closer to a championship.

i didn't say that Raptors will win a championship, i'm just saying they will be closer to one than the Knicks right now.

How are you going to win anything when your best players keep leaving. T mac Carter, Bosh soon Demar.

BuddhaMONK
06-28-2011, 11:41 PM
he's only 19 years old mind you. and thompson is far from polished offensive player either. i still think TT will be a good player (like i said double double guy), i just think Val has the higher ceiling. with his size and reach he has a capability of being a great defender and rebounder. he has a high motor, and people say he has great work ethic too. his frame will allow him to put 20-25 pounds, which will prevent him from being outmuscled in the post. both guys are far from finished products, but if i had to choose one i'd definitely go with jonas.

what's his vertical jump like 6.5 inches

BuddhaMONK
06-28-2011, 11:42 PM
honestly hawk i got him maxed out as a 18 and 10 guy. this of course won't be for a couple of years, but he has all the tools to be the franchise center we need. it all depends on how good he wants to be.

wow wish I was that optimistic. 18 -10 guy in two years, i think he'll be like 9- 4 in two years.

Rego247
06-28-2011, 11:53 PM
wow wish I was that optimistic. 18 -10 guy in two years, i think he'll be like 9- 4 in two years.

no way in hell two years. more like 4-5 years. i don't expect him to hit the ground running once he gets year. there is a learning curve, after all he is a "project" big.

Bunta
06-29-2011, 12:05 AM
no way in hell two years. more like 4-5 years. i don't expect him to hit the ground running once he gets year. there is a learning curve, after all he is a "project" big.

So many factors surround that- both for success and failure.

Geargo Wallace
06-29-2011, 12:17 AM
I see TT contributing right away, but I don't think you should ever expect HUGE numbers from him in his career. He's going to be a great pro for sure. I'm not just saying this because I used to ball against him when he was like 5'8".

Val will take a while, but he's obviously got some great upside because of his height and length. I hate these Euro experiments though. I also hate drafting them in the lottery. I hope he ends up being what we expect him to be.

C_Mund
06-29-2011, 12:21 AM
I personally feel Kings fans will be very disappointed by Jimmer. I don't think he will be much more than a spot up shooter who can get a few looks off pull ups. But his defense is horrendous, and he is a scoring guard.

Just my personal opinion

I think he's going to take a while to develop his game but with hard work and improvement can be a legit starter....see: JJ Redick. A good shot combined with court vision and confidence can go a long way....especially if he's brought up as a team-first role player that understands winning. If he's thrown in to score right away it might prohibit his growth. I see him being a project.

Gram
06-29-2011, 12:32 AM
Mavericks.

BuddhaMONK
06-29-2011, 12:56 AM
no way in hell two years. more like 4-5 years. i don't expect him to hit the ground running once he gets year. there is a learning curve, after all he is a "project" big.

where I come from a couple is 2.

Hawkeye15
06-29-2011, 12:59 AM
I think he's going to take a while to develop his game but with hard work and improvement can be a legit starter....see: JJ Redick. A good shot combined with court vision and confidence can go a long way....especially if he's brought up as a team-first role player that understands winning. If he's thrown in to score right away it might prohibit his growth. I see him being a project.

I hear ya man. But Reddick is much bigger, and a decent defender.

Look, I think Jimmer is Eddie House 2.0.

I just don't think he will be a game changer on a regular basis

Geargo Wallace
06-29-2011, 01:03 AM
Mavericks.

yeee they sux

WSUJJ
06-29-2011, 01:08 AM
I don't think Washington will be good for awhile.
Wall maybe 2-3 years to be decet

C_Mund
06-29-2011, 01:21 AM
How are you going to win anything when your best players keep leaving. T mac Carter, Bosh soon Demar.

Hey now, show some respect to our team!!!! I mean, you didn't even mention the original ship jumper....Damon Stoudamire

BuddhaMONK
06-29-2011, 01:37 AM
Hey now, show some respect to our team!!!! I mean, you didn't even mention the original ship jumper....Damon Stoudamire

to bosh and carter's credit they both resigned, it's not their fault Toronto failed to build a team for them to play with. I don't think they've had a coach with experience since lenny wilkins.Everytime they higher rookies, even Dwayne casey only has a year and half experience as a headcoach. It's the penny pinching corporation that owns them, and the way too loyal fan that's to blame for this mess. I mean even the name is embarrassing the "raptors", who the **** names their team after a purple dinosaur. They have to change it to the Huskies (the first NBA game ever was between the Knicks and the Toronto Huskies in Toronto for those that didn't know)

Rego247
06-29-2011, 01:49 AM
where I come from a couple is 2.

4-5 years is what i was thinking. Like i said project big, needs time to develop, imo he's worth the wait.

Astronaut
06-29-2011, 02:04 AM
Cleveland

You realize that the only reason we won only 19 games last year was because our starting lineup was injured for most of the year.. We started Alonzo Gee for about 10 games last year.

But I hope your right, we'll get a high draft pick once again in a STACKED 2012 Draft.

:cool:

To all those bashing Thompson, he had the highest PER of ANY college big man last year.. Even higher than Williams. I'm not saying he'll be better, but there was a reason the Cavs picked this guy.

Magic: will be terrible for a while if Dwight leaves, they have over the hill players at this point who are locked into terrible contracts. Otis will be an absolute magician if he manages to trade them away, honestly, I would trade Dwight for some nice pieces at this point to save the franchise in the long run.

Wizards: The chemistry is absolutely screwed up on that team, John Wall even called his teammates out saying that they had "no heart."

Raptors: Basically the same team as last year, they could get better if JV pans out and gets over there, but i'm just sticking to the worst teams next year.

Geargo Wallace
06-29-2011, 02:16 AM
"Obviously Minnesota is the worst. They have Kevin Love. He's no Kobe, Iverson, or even Wade."
-Darrel Russel

smith&wesson
06-29-2011, 01:29 PM
i actually think this is a good thread, alot of lottery teams over that past few years are looking better.

west
twolves
clippers
kings

east
pacers
wizards
bucks

WSUJJ
06-29-2011, 02:48 PM
i actually think this is a good thread, alot of lottery teams over that past few years are looking better.

west
twolves
clippers
kings

east
pacers
wizards
bucks

ty.