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PhillyFaninLA
06-24-2011, 06:53 PM
What do you agree with?
What do you disagree with?
Who is year team, how do you feel about their grade, what would you have given them?


(from http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/2011-NBA-draft-report-card-062411)


Atlanta Hawks: B

Draft moves: No. 48, Keith Benson
Holding only the 48th pick, it is not as if the Hawks were in a great draft position. In taking Benson, they have acquired someone who has a very good combination of length, athleticism and skill. The concern about him is whether he can develop the bulk necessary to make use of his abilities in the NBA. He will also likely require somebody to light a fire under him.

Boston Celtics: B

Draft moves: No. 27, JaJuan Johnson; No. 55, E'Twaun Moore
Danny Ainge talked down the draft more than any NBA executive, and ended up swinging for contact. Johnson is not going to be the missing big man in Boston, but he is a worker bee who can be a little like Leon Powe before his knee injuries. Similarly, Moore is someone who can come in and compete for a roster spot. He had a decorated four-year career at Purdue and measured out well at 6-4 and a 6-9 1/2 wingspan. Given the salaries at the top of their roster, they are going to be looking for an inexpensive and capable body on the back end.

Charlotte Bobcats: C-

Draft moves: No. 7, Bismack Biyombo; No. 9, Kemba Walker; and added Corey Maggette
The Bobcats were not going anywhere as they were currently constructed, so they cleaned up their payroll and moved up to get a second lottery pick. Biyombo is unquestionably a long and athletic shot blocker, but is just as assuredly limited in his offensive skill set, turnover prone and foul prone. Walker is an intangibles pick. Nobody is going to argue that Walker is a pure point guard because he is not one. His perimeter shot needs work, and his small stature is always going to impact him defensively. He went in the lottery because he is by all accounts a great young man with a tremendous work ethic, and he carried Connecticut to the championship. For as depleted a roster the Bobcats have, it is hard to believe a “winner” and a shot blocker were the best options for them in the draft.

Chicago Bulls: B-

Draft moves: No. 23, Nikola Mirotic; No. 30, Jimmy Butler
The Bulls are likely going to return their top 11 players, which put them in a difficult spot in the draft. In acquiring Mirotic, the Bulls took a player who will happily stay and develop overseas with one of the best clubs in Europe. Butler will likely be on the outside of the Bulls rotation, but he fits the Bulls model. He works extremely hard, defends well, and was a very efficient scorer at Marquette.

Cleveland Cavaliers: B-

Draft moves: No. 1, Kyrie Irving; No. 4, Tristan Thompson; and No. 54, Milan Macvan
Barring injuries marring his career, Irving is going to be a good player at one of the two most important positions in the sport. He is not going to turn the Cavs around anytime soon, but the team now has someone to build around. Thompson is a raw offensive player, but he is a relatively safe pick in that he is a tremendous athlete who will run through a wall for the team. Macvan recently signed a long-term deal with Maccabi Tel-Aviv, so he will not be in the mix for a long time. He is a highly skilled power forward who can become an asset for the future.

Dallas Mavericks: A

Draft moves: Added Rudy Fernandez, Petteri Koponen
The recently crowned NBA champions traded both of their picks, but managed to come out of the draft smiling anyway. Fernandez was not happy in Portland, and had to compete with Brandon Roy and Wesley Matthews for playing time at the shooting guard position. Dallas will be a new start for him, and though he'll still have competition for playing time, Rick Carlisle will find a way to get him minutes.

Denver Nuggets: B

Draft moves: No. 22, Kenneth Faried; No. 26, Jordan Hamilton; No. 56, Chukwudiebere Maduabum; and added Andre Miller
Raymond Felton wasn't really needed in Denver, as the Nuggets already had a quality point guard from North Carolina in Ty Lawson on the roster. They managed to get some talent in return for Felton, receiving the expiring contract of Miller and the rights to Texas sharpshooter Hamilton from the Blazers. Hamilton is a natural scorer with a lot of potential in this area, though he doesn't figure to get a lot of playing time next year unless Wilson Chandler leaves. The Nuggets also picked up Faried, who is easily the best rebounder in the draft and could be the eventual successor to Chris "Birdman" Andersen. Nuggets GM Masai Ujiri drafted countryman Maduabum, who has the nickname "Chu Chu" which makes him worthy of being drafted, alone.

Detroit Pistons: A

Draft moves: No. 8, Brandon Knight; No. 33, Kyle Singler; and No. 52, Vernon Macklin
The surprises early in the draft worked out to the benefit of the Pistons as Knight fell into their lap at No. 8. Detroit's biggest problem last year was its point-guard play. Rodney Stuckey has never been able to operate the point the way Joe Dumars envisioned when he dealt Chauncey Billups, and point play has had a ripple effect on the team. Knight grew by leaps and bounds as a point guard from the beginning of his freshman year to the end. He will likely have some bumps in the road since he does not turn 20 until December, but he is a bright kid who proved to be a quick study. Singler is a known commodity who will play hard and challenge for a spot on the roster. Macklin showed flashes of NBA skills at Florida and will have an opportunity to compete for a roster spot.

Golden State Warriors: B+

Draft moves: No. 11, Klay Thompson; No. 39, Jeremy Tyler; and No. 44, Charles Jenkins
The decision made by the Warriors to add shooting to their backcourt suggests that they are indeed becoming closer to moving Monta Ellis. Unfortunately, Thompson isn't a great athlete or defender and neither is his future running mate Stephen Curry, but acquiring Andre Iguodala or an athlete in his mold could supplement that. Tyler is an excellent risk/reward pick, and if things work out then he could really add some talent to the Warriors' frontcourt. The Warriors added three new members to their front office and seemed to make a pick for each (Jerry West/Klay Thompson — his guy, Mark Jackson/Jenkins NY ties, and new assistant GM Bob Myers who had ties to Tyler through his agent days at Wasserman Group).

Houston Rockets: A-

Draft moves: No. 14, Marcus Morris; No. 20, Donatas Motiejunas; No. 38, Chandler Parsons; and added Jonny Flynn
Morris and Motiejunas are both great values. We had Motiejunas graded out as one of the top five prospects available so we obviously loved Houston's draft. Motiejunas brings a different element with his perimeter game and has a chance to be special, if he ever puts his mind to it. Morris was also a solid pick at 14. Talent-wise they deserve a strong grade and that's what the draft really comes down to, but now they have their work cut out for them as they'll need to clear the log-jam they have at the 4 position if they want to get their young players any experience.

Indiana Pacers: B+

Draft moves: Traded for George Hill
An IUPUI legend returns home. The Pacers wanted to come away with a point guard who would complement Darren Collison. In dealing for Hill, they acquired someone who has already established himself as one of the best backup point guards in the league. In a weak draft, Indiana did well to get a known commodity. Plus, eight of the 11 players on their roster are still playing under their rookie deals. For a team that wants to build off a season where it made the playoffs, adding another rookie would not have done it much good. With close to $30 million coming off their payroll, the Pacers will be able to go out and supplement their young players with veterans in free agency.

Los Angeles Clippers: A-

Draft moves: No. 37, Trey Thompkins; No. 47, Travis Leslie
Two very good value picks. Thompkins is a top-20 talent who due to a perceived lack of a motor fell all the way to 37 on draft night. He is a polished/skilled power forward who can play inside or out. He adds a nice contrast to Blake Griffin, whom he'll be backing up. Leslie is a stunning athlete with a lot of defensive potential. If he can add a consistent jump shot (easier said than done) then this pick becomes a real steal. Overall, the Clippers did well with the picks they had and found two players who could become quality players down the road.

Los Angeles Lakers: A-

Draft moves: No. 41, Darius Morris; No. 46, Andrew Goudelock; No. 58, Ater Majok
Just like last year, the Lakers capitalized on their second-round picks. Local product Morris has great size and appears to be the best passer in this draft class. He's got a good amount of potential — enough to be the Lakers' point guard of the future, though his shooting is a serious deficiency. Goudelock can help the team with his unreal shooting ability, though he's more of a back-end rotation player. It's highly unlikely that we will see Majok don a Lakers uniform anytime soon (if ever), but in the late 50s there's no sleep lost.

Memphis Grizzlies: C+

Draft moves: No. 49, Josh Selby
There was a lot of buzz surrounding Selby prior to the draft, with some talk of him being selected as high as 17. While that would have been more than ridiculous, Selby landing at 49 is completely reasonable. He didn't have a memorable season at Kansas, but he still has the qualities that made him such a highly-touted prospect coming out of high school. Hopefully this serves as a positive wake-up call for him. His athleticism, size and offensive instincts give him a lot of long-term potential — certainly more than your average 49th pick.

Miami Heat: A-

Draft moves: No. 28, Norris Cole
Seeing as how the Heat did their spending last summer, the possibility exists that Mario Chalmers will get a contract offer in free agency that Miami will be unable to match. While there are going to be no shortage of veterans looking to fill that role, Cole can be someone the Heat look to develop internally. He is a dynamic player and a great athlete. His ability to get on the floor will be determined by whether he can knock down the open 3.

Milwaukee Bucks: C

Draft moves: No. 19, Tobias Harris; No. 40, Jon Leuer; and added Stephen Jackson, Beno Udrih and Shaun Livingston
Milwaukee’s pre-draft move to trade back from 10th to 19th and acquire Jackson, Udrih and Livingston for Corey Maggette and John Salmons was an interesting move. Jackson should fit in perfectly with the Bucks. He is a tough, gritty, hard-working wing who plays hard on both ends. The team struggled with its point play when Brandon Jennings went down, and this deal brought them two quality backup point guards. In the draft, Harris was a decent gamble. He played power forward at Tennessee, and struggled to score efficiently against bigger and stronger SEC front lines. He sold himself as an NBA small forward, and has the athleticism to do it, but will be a bit of a project. Leuer is worth bringing in as a second-round pick.

Minnesota Timberwolves: A-

Draft moves: No. 2, Derrick Williams; No. 43, Malcolm Lee
Despite all the speculation that Enes Kanter could go No. 2, the Timberwolves opted for the best available player in Williams. They already have a similar player in Michael Beasley, but Williams shoots much more efficiently from the field and is a player you can win with. Brad Miller was picked up in a flurry of T'wolves trades on Thursday, but it'll take a lot more than him to make the team respectable again. They moved the 20th pick in a deal that ridded themselves of draft mistake Jonny Flynn, but should have held onto that pick and kept Donatas Motiejunas.

New Jersey Nets: B

Draft moves: No. 25, Marshon Brooks; No. 36, Jordan Williams
The advantage the Nets have in their rebuilding is that they have the point guard and center positions filled. Even in a weak draft, a team can find a scoring guard and a rebounder, and the Nets did just that. Brooks has great measurements for an NBA 2-guard and put up huge numbers at Providence, but it is hard to get excited over a guard on a losing team who takes 18 shots per game and averages all of two assists. Williams is a second-round pick who is capable of making the roster and competing for a spot in the rotation.

New Orleans Hornets: I

Draft moves: None
As anticipated, the Hornets sold their only draft pick (No. 45 to the New York Knicks). They're likely trying to save up in order to keep David West. Anytime you can sell Josh Harrellson for $1 million, you have to chalk that up as a good day.

New York Knicks: D

Draft moves: No. 17, Iman Shumpert; No. 45, Josh Harrellson
People will give the Knicks the benefit of the doubt because of the success of Landry Fields, but Shumpert is a questionable pick. At Georgia Tech last season, he was an inefficient scorer and mediocre distributor. He will get out and defend incredibly well, but when has there been an NBA team with a defensive specialist who touches the ball on every possession and initiates the offense? There is a reason those guys do not exist. If the Knicks envision him as a shooting guard, can a shooting guard in the Mike D’Antoni system get on the floor when he cannot consistently knock down an open three? The Knicks bought a second-round pick and took Harrellson, who will set screens, rebound and hit an open shot. If he makes the roster, then he justifies the expense of buying the pick.

Oklahoma City Thunder: B-

Draft moves: No. 24, Reggie Jackson
"Shut it down, we're taking you. No medical reports to teams, nothing." The conversation between GM Sam Presti and Jackson's agent likely went something like that. Not many scouts focused on Jackson during the season, because few thought he would be entering this draft. But once they did, many liked what they saw. And there's no disputing Presti's track record for finding talent. Jackson is a nice offensive talent with great athleticism and a huge wingspan, but it’s questionable how he'll fit in if the Thunder can’t trade Eric Maynor by the beginning of the season.

Orlando Magic: A-

Draft moves: No. 32, Justin Harper; No. 53, DeAndre Liggins
The Magic had a good draft because they need inexpensive players who can make the roster and contribute. Orlando’s bloated payroll has left the team in a very difficult spot. While Harper and Liggins are not going to alter the Magic’s 2011-12 outlook dramatically, they can have value. If Harper sticks in the league, it will be as a Ryan Anderson-type stretch power forward. Where better to put that specific skill set to use than in Orlando? Liggins is a premier defensive prospect who represents a good value for the rookie minimum.

Philadelphia 76ers: B

Draft moves: No. 16, Nikola Vucevic; No. 50, Lavoy Allen
The Sixers wanted to go big, and they came away with the safest NCAA big-man selection in the draft. Vucevic is a skilled scorer inside and out, makes good decisions with the basketball, and given the snail's pace of USC, did not receive the proper appreciation for being a solid rebounder. Additionally, having played for Kevin O'Neill and Tim Floyd, he is a step ahead in terms of defensive preparation. In the second round, the Sixers took a local kid in Temple’s Allen. He won over Philadelphia in his two predraft workouts with the team, and worked his way to having the right to compete for a roster spot.

Phoenix Suns: B+

Draft moves: No. 13, Markieff Morris
Once again we witness the Suns take the more defense-oriented twin, but this time they're on the hook that that guy turns out better. Morris is an NBA-ready power forward who can defend the rim, clean the glass and make an open jumper. He seems like a nice fit for the Suns, who are obviously attempting to become less of a disgrace defensively. Good for them.

Portland Trail Blazers: C

Draft moves: No. 21, Nolan Smith; No. 51, Jon Diebler; No. 57, Targuy Ngombo; and added Raymond Felton
The Blazers decided to play it safe in this year's draft. With a bigger need in the frontcourt and with players such as Kenneth Faried available, drafting Smith is a head-scratcher. Smith and Diebler have solid role-player potential, but it's difficult to see either of them becoming anything more. Smith will be a scorer/defender combo guard off the bench, while Diebler will be a great shooter at the end of the rotation. They also scored Felton from the Nuggets, which was their real accomplishment and gives them a solid young starting point guard for the next few seasons.

Sacramento Kings: B-

Draft moves: No. 10, Jimmer Fredette; No. 35, Tyler Honeycutt; No. 60, Isaiah Thomas; and added John Salmons
As much as we like Jimmer, it's hard to imagine him fitting in socially with Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins. Therefore, we question this move. Especially when staying put at No. 7 and drafting Brandon Knight or especially Kemba Walker (who would have brought the best out of Evans and Cousins off the court) would have been a much better option. Honeycutt, despite being frail, was a steal at 35. Mr. Irrelevant, Thomas, also stands a chance of making the team.

San Antonio Spurs: A-

Draft moves: No. 15, Kawhi Leonard; No. 29, Cory Joseph; No. 42, Davis Bertans; and No. 59, Adam Hanga
Though the pre-draft speculation was that Tony Parker would be moved, George Hill turned out to be the traded player. Hill netted the Spurs two picks that turned out to be Leonard and Bertans. Leonard will provide the aging Spurs a solid young prospect. As an athletic forward with a high motor, he draws optimistic comparisons to players like Gerald Wallace and Shawn Marion. Bertans is a great value pick here. Now he probably won't play in the NBA for a few years, but he has a good amount of potential and a deadly shooting stroke. Joseph could be Hill's replacement.

Toronto Raptors: C+

Draft moves: No. 5, Jonas Valanciunas
The Raptors gambled a bit by going with Valanciunas at No. 5. He may be stuck in Europe for another year or two. And while he has been playing at a high level there, the Lithuanian Basketball League is not a great test of his NBA readiness. His Euroleague play was especially concerning because he had extremely high foul and turnover rates. This is where staying abroad might help him.

Utah Jazz: A

Draft moves: No. 3, Enes Kanter; No. 12, Alec Burks
Utah should walk away very satisfied with the talent that they picked up in the draft. They maximized both picks extremely well and are our biggest winners on draft night. Kanter is an intriguing talent with a lot of potential. He'll be an ideal fit next to Derrick Favors, and the teenage duo should make Utah's frontcourt a force to be reckoned with in a few years. Burks gives Gordon Hayward a mate on the wings, though Utah was likely hoping that Fredette or Walker fell to them at 12. On the bright side, Burks could easily end up better than both.

Washington Wizards: B

Draft moves: No. 6, Jan Vesely; No. 18, Chris Singleton; and No. 34, Shelvin Mack
Washington came away last summer with a star in John Wall, and went into this draft looking for players who can help him out. Vesely is an ideal 3 in today's NBA because he will have the length and athleticism to handle the oversized small forwards defensively. While his shot is not great at this point of his development, he has the form to where it should come with time and work. Singleton is in many ways a similar player to Vesely. He has a tremendous ability to defend, but needs to stay out of foul trouble and work on his offense. Mack has been a tremendous tournament performer for three years, but he must prove he can play point guard in order to back up Wall.
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Voodoo Alchemy
06-24-2011, 06:56 PM
wow no love for the bobcats? kemba walker is the best pg in this year's draft imo.

ManRam
06-24-2011, 06:59 PM
wow no love for the bobcats? kemba walker is the best pg in this year's draft imo.

Really? Over Kyrie and Knight?

I love Kemba, I was rooting for UConn throughout (even having him in my sig for a while) but he's not the best PG at all.


Orlando with the A-, nice! I actually like what they did, however insignificant as it may be,

Voodoo Alchemy
06-24-2011, 07:07 PM
Really? Over Kyrie and Knight?

I love Kemba, I was rooting for UConn throughout (even having him in my sig for a while) but he's not the best PG at all.


Orlando with the A-, nice! I actually like what they did, however insignificant as it may be,

yes, i think kemba will be the better pg than irving. knight is not a true pg and i wasn't really hard up on the guy either, but that's just me.

NBA_Starter
06-24-2011, 07:08 PM
C- for Bobcats? What world is this guy living in??

StriveGreatness
06-24-2011, 07:12 PM
Detroit Pistons. Definitely agree with the grade of an A. Get your future PG, who I feel like can be elite; all star at the least. (call me a homer, whatever..) Nice player in Singler to have come off the bench and Macklin has some upside. Felt like we got good value with all of our picks.

Now if we can get rid of BG, Rip or CV, this off season is an A+. Nice start Joe D and Tom Gores...

Trace
06-24-2011, 07:14 PM
I disagree with the C+ for the Raptors. With all due respect, he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. Jonas been a back to back MVP in FIBA Europe (while posting extremely efficient lines of 19.4 points, 13.4 rebounds and 2.7 blocks with 70% FG and 90% FT) , so he's not just playing in the Lithuanian League and the Raptors already negotiated a buyout so he'll be here next year. On top of this, not only did the Raptors fill a need but they came away with a highly sought after prospect (Spurs wanted to trade half their core for him) as well as a consistently projected lottery pick in the #2-#4 range (from '09 until now).

When considering the above factors, the grade should be significantly higher.

ManRam
06-24-2011, 07:14 PM
yes, i think kemba will be the better pg than irving. knight is not a true pg and i wasn't really hard up on the guy either, but that's just me.

How is Kemba a more "true" PG than Knight?

iamsteel
06-24-2011, 07:19 PM
I agree with the Wolves getting an A- even though there are a lot of haters. They got who many people think was the best player in the draft and basically traded:
#20
Flynn

for

2013 Griz 1st
future Heat 2nd
Malcolm Lee
Brad Miller
and a bunch of cash.

hugepatsfan
06-24-2011, 07:19 PM
Boston Celtics: B

Draft moves: No. 27, JaJuan Johnson; No. 55, E'Twaun Moore
Danny Ainge talked down the draft more than any NBA executive, and ended up swinging for contact. Johnson is not going to be the missing big man in Boston, but he is a worker bee who can be a little like Leon Powe before his knee injuries. Similarly, Moore is someone who can come in and compete for a roster spot. He had a decorated four-year career at Purdue and measured out well at 6-4 and a 6-9 1/2 wingspan. Given the salaries at the top of their roster, they are going to be looking for an inexpensive and capable body on the back end.

I agree w/ the grade, but his comparison of Johnson and Powe is way off. Powe is a low post, energy player. He has no length and isn't a shot blocker. Johnson is a good shooting PF that is a great weakside shot blocker. I think that comparison is awful.

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 07:20 PM
Knicks get a D ? I mean Iman might not have the sexy name of a jimmer or Kemba But he's going to help us defensively the 1 thing everyone bash the Knicks on don't know much about Josh but if he can help with the rebounding and give us the toughness along side Amare i don't see how that deserve such a bad grade.

Trace
06-24-2011, 07:23 PM
Knicks get a D ? I mean Iman might not have the sexy name of a jimmer or Kemba But he's going to help us defensively the 1 thing everyone bash the Knicks on don't know much about Josh but if he can help with the rebounding and give us the toughness along side Amare i don't see how that deserve such a bad grade.

I don't understand why they passed on Singleton, he was considered the best defensive player in the draft.

KnightnDaye
06-24-2011, 07:24 PM
I totally agree with the pistons grade, A for sure. They got a bunch of high character players which they def needed after the players rebelling this year. Knight was a steal at 8 and Singler could do alright as a role player in the NBA. Maclin also has a nice upside as well.

Sly Guy
06-24-2011, 07:25 PM
the entire ranking system is crap cuz it's all speculation until these players actually suit up and we see what they can do.

Giraffes Rule
06-24-2011, 07:27 PM
That's actually from NBAdraft.net. Not sure why Fox Sports picked it up and posted it on their site.

RaidersLakers24
06-24-2011, 07:27 PM
Lakers got 2 steals with there guards

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 07:27 PM
I don't understand why they passed on Singleton, he was considered the best defensive player in the draft.

Because he is a tweener and with melo and Shawnee he wouldn't have played much at his natural position. Beside Iman is a good defener as well and can guard the 1-3 position. No one is telling him to run the show that's what billups is suppose to do.

KnicksR4Real
06-24-2011, 07:29 PM
tough day for knick fans to say the least

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 07:31 PM
tough day for knick fans to say the least

Not really Last year the same Experts said Landry fields will be in the D league look how that turned out.

VillaMaravilla
06-24-2011, 07:34 PM
im a Knick fan and the grade is about right i gave them a D aswell...we picked 1 kid that everyone had going in the second and another that analyst had going undrafted, until Iman and Josh prove they were worth being picked at their spots this grade is about right because as of now the only people who think we had a good draft are a couple Knick fans and even those are few

VillaMaravilla
06-24-2011, 07:36 PM
Not really Last year the same Experts said Landry fields will be in the D league look how that turned out.


dude and how many times does that happen come on man we got luck with Fields dont expect that every year not a good argument in my opinion to justify last nights draft

Eagles4Lyfe
06-24-2011, 07:38 PM
C for the craptors??? ya ok a team getting the so called best C gets a C :facepalm:..
Centers are so easy to fill in i forgot

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 07:52 PM
im a Knick fan and the grade is about right i gave them a D aswell...we picked 1 kid that everyone had going in the second and another that analyst had going undrafted, until Iman and Josh prove they were worth being picked at their spots this grade is about right because as of now the only people who think we had a good draft are a couple Knick fans and even those are few

Phx were planning on making a trade to get a 20th pick to Draft Iman until the Knicks selected him. Iman Stock was on the rise He shut down jimmer, jerkins and a few other in his work out and was told to shut it down by the Knicks staff. But you probably wanted Jimmer so there's probably no reason trying to explain why the Knicks decided to go defense.

PlezPlayDKnicks
06-24-2011, 07:54 PM
dude and how many times does that happen come on man we got luck with Fields dont expect that every year not a good argument in my opinion to justify last nights draft

U were begging for Faried and how exactly would he be a good fit on the roster? An undersized 4 who might be a good rebounder in the NBA . Only prob is he plays Amare's position. They'd both be horrible at center. Singleton plays Melo's position. Sheesh with the complaints .. We have the best defensive guard in the draft. He clamped every1 he worked out against. Thats why he was rumored to go to phoenix

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 08:00 PM
dude and how many times does that happen come on man we got luck with Fields dont expect that every year not a good argument in my opinion to justify last nights draft

Iman doesn't have to be the Knicks savior all he needs to do is do the dirty work Play defense and guard the PG Billups can't at his age. Why do Knicks fan think that Every player is a bad or not worth the pick before the guy even gets a chance to play.

Jets012
06-24-2011, 08:07 PM
I disagree with the B for the Nets grade. I thought the Nets had an excellent draft. They picked up Marshon Brooks who I think is going to play very well along side DWill. Also they got Bojan Bogdanovich which I think was a steal. Finally, they got Jordan Williams in the 2nd round who may be undersized as a center but is a strong physical player who can rebound and score a bit.

Bravo95
06-24-2011, 08:11 PM
I agree with the Hawks deserving a B.

Would've preferred a shooter like Diebler, but Benson could be a factor once he puts on about 20lbs.

Knickrocketsfan
06-24-2011, 08:23 PM
New York Knicks: D
Draft moves: No. 17, Iman Shumpert; No. 45, Josh Harrellson
People will give the Knicks the benefit of the doubt because of the success of Landry Fields, but Shumpert is a questionable pick. At Georgia Tech last season, he was an inefficient scorer and mediocre distributor. He will get out and defend incredibly well, but when has there been an NBA team with a defensive specialist who touches the ball on every possession and initiates the offense? There is a reason those guys do not exist. If the Knicks envision him as a shooting guard, can a shooting guard in the Mike D’Antoni system get on the floor when he cannot consistently knock down an open three? The Knicks bought a second-round pick and took Harrellson, who will set screens, rebound and hit an open shot. If he makes the roster, then he justifies the expense of buying the pick.


This guy is ******** just with that statement, ever heard of rondo? Shumpert is not rondo, but this guy make just a stupid statement.

PlezPlayDKnicks
06-24-2011, 08:27 PM
This guy is ******** just with that statement, ever heard of rondo? Shumpert is not rondo, but this guy make just a stupid statement.

Gary Payton was a defensive specialist. So was Derek Harper and Mookie blaylock to a lesser extents

Chill_Will_24
06-24-2011, 08:42 PM
BOS trading away Marshon Brooks :facepalm: Brooks will be the steal of the draft!

kenzo400
06-24-2011, 08:47 PM
the entire ranking system is crap cuz it's all speculation until these players actually suit up and we see what they can do.

Of course it is crap, its fox news.

Gators123
06-24-2011, 08:50 PM
I agree with the Pistons grade. Getting Knight at #8 definitely deserves an A.

Master Mind
06-24-2011, 09:10 PM
C- for Bobcats? What world is this guy living in??

The Bobcats had 1 of the best drafts imo...:shrug:

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 10:10 PM
Iman doesn't have to be the Knicks savior all he needs to do is do the dirty work Play defense and guard the PG Billups can't at his age. Why do Knicks fan think that Every player is a bad or not worth the pick before the guy even gets a chance to play.

Being a bulls fan, this year has really shown me that it is tough to suceed with a sg that can't score. I think this was a bad pick by the knicks. I like the idea they have, but going defense at the 2 is a pretty poor idea.

ManRam
06-24-2011, 10:13 PM
This guy is ******** just with that statement, ever heard of rondo? Shumpert is not rondo, but this guy make just a stupid statement.

Why are you mentioning Rondo?

I think the Knicks had one of the worst drafts. I hate Shumpert, I've made that clear...and Harrellson, while being a high energy workhorse, has no future in the NBA.

Shumpert is an athlete with no skill...he isn't at all like Rondo...not even close. It's a hilarious comparison by you.

Cano4prez
06-24-2011, 10:15 PM
Gary Payton was a defensive specialist. So was Derek Harper and Mookie blaylock to a lesser extents

And they were much better players coming out of College than Shumpert

daleja424
06-24-2011, 10:17 PM
Seriously. Rondo is a good defender but he brings much more than that to the table.

The guys point is that shumpert's only NBA skill right now is defense... Which is scary for a PG that will have the ball in his hand play after play

I actually like Shumpert's potential... But it was a big reach for anyone ahead if 25 or so bc he is nothing more than a nice body at this point

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 10:21 PM
shumpert is gonna be a point guard? I assumed they would play him at the 2 mostly.

ManRam
06-24-2011, 10:21 PM
Seriously. Rondo is a good defender but he brings much more than that to the table.

The guys point is that shumpert's only NBA skill right now is defense... Which is scary for a PG that will have the ball in his hand play after play

I actually like Shumpert's potential... But it was a big reach for anyone ahead if 25 or so bc he is nothing more than a nice body at this point

Literally, that's all he is. He has no polish at all...and his basketball IQ, unlike Rondo's, is putrid.

daleja424
06-24-2011, 10:31 PM
shumpert is gonna be a point guard? I assumed they would play him at the 2 mostly.

Probably won't play him at all. Playoff teams do not get significant minutes from guys that raw usually.

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 10:31 PM
love the Iman hate. Beside he's going to play 1-3 position We still have billups to run the point majority if the time . Beside he will be practicing with the top offensive players his offense will come but i expect miami to hate anyway.

daleja424
06-24-2011, 10:32 PM
He's got An NBA body... And a junior high game

... for now

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 10:33 PM
Probably won't play him at all. Playoff teams do not get significant minutes from guys that raw usually.

He will play either the Point or at SG. he can play point and move Billups to the two the kid will prove the hater (miami Fans) Wrong

daleja424
06-24-2011, 10:34 PM
love the Iman hate. Beside he's going to play 1-3 position We still have billups to run the point majority if the time . Beside he will be practicing with the top offensive players his offense will come but i expect miami to hate anyway.

Go look at the heat boards. You will see that I like him a lot. But I liked him as a possibilty at 31... Not as a mid first rounder with better players on the board.

Expressing the reality of the situation does not make us haters.

daleja424
06-24-2011, 10:35 PM
Athletes come and go in this league dime a dozen... It takes mOre than a 40 inch vert to be an NBA player

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 10:40 PM
Go look at the heat boards. You will see that I like him a lot. But I liked him as a possibilty at 31... Not as a mid first rounder with better players on the board.

Expressing the reality of the situation does not make us haters.

He was the best fit for the Knicks A defender with a good NBA body at the Guard position. Knicks need Defense and he was the best defensive guard. We didn't need brooks because he just another Nick young who has a score first mentality we don't need that. Chris Singleton the best defender but wouldn't play much with Melo and Amare on the team to have any effect.

daleja424
06-24-2011, 10:42 PM
Reggie Jackson, Norris Cole, Nolan smith. All really good defenders who actually bring significant basketball skills to the table...

knickerbockerny
06-24-2011, 10:47 PM
Who else were the Knicks going to select at 17? They targetted Vuvecic, and hoped that Leonard fell. Singleton was talked about, but where is he going to find minutes when he is a tweener sf/pf and Amare and Carmelo each play 35+ minutes at those repective positions. Singleton is no shooting guard nor center.

Same deal with Faried, selecting him would force Amare to center and he does not want to be there.

Now it comes down to Marshon Brooks and Shumpert. I was said that Shumpert outplayed all the guards he worked out with and shoot the ball pretty well. I believe Shumpert has great potential and being that he was the coach's pick, Mike D will make sure he gives him every opportunity to succeed.

As for the Josh Harrellson selection, how can you not like a player who we defend the paint relentlessly, and if given adequate minutes is a guaranteed 7pts 7rbs player.

The Knicks have their stars already in place, now its time to complement them with solid pieces. The Knicks are literally a starting center and a couple dead eye shooters away from really making noise.

ManRam
06-24-2011, 10:49 PM
They could have taken Singleton...a better defender, and a smarter and more polished player.

I'd take Nolan Smith over him in a heartbeat too...and I HATE Duke and slandered Nolan all year (go Kemba). Reggie is better too.

I don't know why, it has nothing to do with who drafted him, you can look at all the pre-draft talk: I just think Iman has no business being in the NBA. Some players can develop, but I'm not so sure he's one of them. I may be wrong, but there's nothing I've seen that suggests otherwise. I'm very curious as to how many Knick fans have actually seen the guy play...because if you have, there's no way you can be absolutely pumped about him. Maybe a little pumped because he is an amazing athlete and could suddenly learn how to play basketball...but I couldn't ever get behind being excited about him before pick 25-30 at the earliest.

knickerbockerny
06-24-2011, 10:51 PM
Athletes come and go in this league dime a dozen... It takes mOre than a 40 inch vert to be an NBA player

Why won't shumpert succeed in this league. Its not like he is going to a young team. He is going to one with good veteran leadership who are willing to school him to the game.

Iman Shumpert not only showed that he was the most athletic in the draft, but showed he was one of the strongest. He also locked down some of the more coveted guards in the draft. He also shot with the best of them in the Knicks workout.

I just don't see how Iman could end up being an utter failure in New York. He is going to get at least 20 mins at both guard positions off of the back. And he has a coveted skill set, off the back, and that is defense.

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 10:51 PM
Reggie Jackson, Norris Cole, Nolan smith. All really good defenders who actually bring significant basketball skills to the table...

THen just be happy you dodge the scurb and let the Knicks suffer with him :)

NYsFinest
06-24-2011, 10:55 PM
BOS trading away Marshon Brooks :facepalm: Brooks will be the steal of the draft!

If Nick Young is the steal of the draft then this draft is a lot worse than people projected... please don't compare him to Kobe, theres a high volume scorer in every draft that is compared to Kobe/Wade. Even the Bulls passed on this guy and their SGs don't know what making a shot feels like.

knickerbockerny
06-24-2011, 10:55 PM
They could have taken Singleton...a better defender, and a smarter and more polished player.

I'd take Nolan Smith over him in a heartbeat too...and I HATE Duke and slandered Nolan all year (go Kemba). Reggie is better too.

I don't know why, it has nothing to do with who drafted him, you can look at all the pre-draft talk: I just think Iman has no business being in the NBA. Some players can develop, but I'm not so sure he's one of them. I may be wrong, but there's nothing I've seen that suggests otherwise. I'm very curious as to how many Knick fans have actually seen the guy play...because if you have, there's no way you can be absolutely pumped about him. Maybe a little pumped because he is an amazing athlete and could suddenly learn how to play basketball...but I couldn't ever get behind being excited about him before pick 25-30 at the earliest.

Singleton was said to be an option, but where was his minutes going to come from in the Knicks rotation, mind you Mike D only likes to play at most 9, prefers 8.

Amare and Melo command 35+ at each forward position, and you could expect Turiaf and Shawn Williams (who expects to be back) to command the other 10 mins at their respective positions. Fields may even see some of the small forward mins.

If you think Singleton would get Shawn Williams minutes, who shoots the lights out, and does all the dirty work for NY I strongly doubt it.

ManRam
06-24-2011, 10:56 PM
Food for thought...

NBAdraft.net had him ranked as their #43 best draft prospect.
draftexpress had him at 28.
Walterfootball had him as the 12th best PG prospect, behind Mack, goudelock, Cole, Reggie, Nolan, Morris, and even Selby. They said...


We knew the Knicks were high on Shumpert who was a late riser in this draft. He is crazy athletic but not necessarily the best basketball player. He will bring athleticism to the wing and plays solid defense, but I think there were better options available.

He's just got a lot to prove. Knick fans shouldn't be offended that people are skeptical about him.

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 10:57 PM
They could have taken Singleton...a better defender, and a smarter and more polished player.

I'd take Nolan Smith over him in a heartbeat too...and I HATE Duke and slandered Nolan all year (go Kemba). Reggie is better too.

I don't know why, it has nothing to do with who drafted him, you can look at all the pre-draft talk: I just think Iman has no business being in the NBA. Some players can develop, but I'm not so sure he's one of them. I may be wrong, but there's nothing I've seen that suggests otherwise. I'm very curious as to how many Knick fans have actually seen the guy play...because if you have, there's no way you can be absolutely pumped about him. Maybe a little pumped because he is an amazing athlete and could suddenly learn how to play basketball...but I couldn't ever get behind being excited about him before pick 25-30 at the earliest.

He will learn we have Veteran Stars he can learn from if this was before the melo trade then i can understand him being on a young team Struggling But he knows his role and will get advice from billups on how to become a decent PG. He's already a good defender something the Knicks need but now everyone ignores. But just like Daleja i don't expect anything positive from heat fans on Knicks related topic so i don't take them seriously

FriedTofuz
06-24-2011, 10:58 PM
wow no love for the bobcats? kemba walker is the best pg in this year's draft imo.

What are you basing this opinon on? Kemba is a very good leader and has been clutch, but you must remember he is a JR and kyrie just started.

Kemba will have the best stats on the bobcats, that team will have no scoring now that stephen jackson is gone,

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 11:01 PM
Food for thought...

NBAdraft.net had him ranked as their #43 best draft prospect.
draftexpress had him at 28.
Walterfootball had him as the 12th best PG prospect, behind Mack, goudelock, Cole, Reggie, Nolan, Morris, and even Selby. They said...



He's just got a lot to prove. Knick fans shouldn't be offended that people are skeptical about him.

His stock was on the rise that the Knicks staff told him to shut it down. I have faith in Walsh decision.

And i heard he shutdown most of the PG in his workouts.

KingOf215
06-24-2011, 11:01 PM
These writers need to grow some balls and start handing out Fs. What's up with this C- D+ BS?!?

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 11:05 PM
love the Iman hate. Beside he's going to play 1-3 position We still have billups to run the point majority if the time . Beside he will be practicing with the top offensive players his offense will come but i expect miami to hate anyway.

New York make some trades I'm unaware of?

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 11:07 PM
New York make some trades I'm unaware of?

Melo, Stat Billups ?

knickerbockerny
06-24-2011, 11:08 PM
In regards to the grade whomever the Knicks took, the grade would have been lack luster. The media are always hard on NY.

If you ask me Cleveland had the worst draft especially in relation to where they were picking. The absolutely reached for a point guard they hope will be transcendent, but in all likelihood will be Andre Miller at best. The CP3 comparisons are off base; CP3 has blinding speed and very athletic, neither Irving has.

Then you reach at number 4 with the Lithuanian big still on the board, for Tristan Thompson.

If Cleveland were smarter, they would have selected Derrick Williams #1 and the Lithuanian big #4. Those guys easily slip into the Cavs starting 5 and if the Lithuanian big stays overseas so be it. He will be in the NBA sooner than later.

The point I'm trying to make is that better point guard would have been available in the lottery next season, Myck Kobongo, Marquis Teague, Austin Rivers. Not to jump on the Cavs, but those picks are needed to change the course of their future, while the Knick 17... well they could really do with or without.

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 11:09 PM
He was the best fit for the Knicks A defender with a good NBA body at the Guard position. Knicks need Defense and he was the best defensive guard. We didn't need brooks because he just another Nick young who has a score first mentality we don't need that. Chris Singleton the best defender but wouldn't play much with Melo and Amare on the team to have any effect.

Having a good bench is vital in any championship team. Having a competent guy to back up amare (with his possible health issues) wouldn't be a terrible idea. I'm not a "hater" i just don't understand why they drafted him where they did.

ManRam
06-24-2011, 11:11 PM
The Knicks are hit and miss with their picks.

They've had solid picks like Fields, Danilo (6th overall so it was an average pick), Lee, and Ariza...

But they've also had some bad picks like Hill, Frye, Balkman, Sweetney, etc.

I don't think the media is unfair. They got blasted for the Balkman and Hill picks, and rightfully so. They sucked. I doubt the media has it for the Knicks...

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 11:14 PM
He will learn we have Veteran Stars he can learn from if this was before the melo trade then i can understand him being on a young team Struggling But he knows his role and will get advice from billups on how to become a decent PG. He's already a good defender something the Knicks need but now everyone ignores. But just like Daleja i don't expect anything positive from heat fans on Knicks related topic so i don't take them seriously

Just because you have some to give you advice doesn't mean you'll become a good basketball player. You are delusional and i refuse to waste more time on this. I hope he works out for you guys, but I won't be surprised if he does not.

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 11:15 PM
Melo, Stat Billups ?

They are not THE top offensive players

jimm120
06-24-2011, 11:19 PM
KNicks are the only failing grade.


Everyone is C or more.


Knicks are the only ones that are a D (and no F).

And its somewhat true. They drafted a 2nd rounder in the first round (and mid-1st round at that). They then drafted someone who would be undrafted in the second round by paying $1 million for the pick.


yeah.

But lets see. Hopefully they'll do something

knickerbockerny
06-24-2011, 11:19 PM
The Knicks are hit and miss with their picks.

They've had solid picks like Fields, Danilo (6th overall so it was an average pick), Lee, and Ariza...

But they've also had some bad picks like Hill, Frye, Balkman, Sweetney, etc.

I don't think the media is unfair. They got blasted for the Balkman and Hill picks, and rightfully so. They sucked. I doubt the media has it for the Knicks...

Just like every team in the NBA. Not even the Spur hit on every one of their picks. Where's Fran Vazquez? Probably drinking a slurpee with Fredrick Wiess :cool:

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 11:21 PM
Having a good bench is vital in any championship team. Having a competent guy to back up amare (with his possible health issues) wouldn't be a terrible idea. I'm not a "hater" i just don't understand why they drafted him where they did.

We have Shawne Williams that did a decent job backing up Amare. It's no Secret Billups is to old to guard the quicker PG in the league and there's is a ton of them. Toney Douglas had shoulder surgery he may be traded sooner than later. So having a guard that can play the 1-3 position and is very good on defense something NY need Because Ray Allen and Rondo had their way with us in the Playoffs is not so bad. And for Josh A lot of people say he wont make it Even though I heard Kentucky Wouldn't have gotten as far without him. These two guys are going to do the dirty work Something our stars aren't going to do.

ManRam
06-24-2011, 11:24 PM
Just like every team in the NBA. Not even the Spur hit on every one of their picks. Where's Fran Vazquez? Probably drinking a slurpee with Fredrick Wiess :cool:

Fran is a good player! You take that back ;)

But seriously...if he'd ever just ****ing come over and play :sigh:

I just don't buy that the media scrutinizes the Knicks more than other team. That's all I'm getting at.

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 11:26 PM
KNicks are the only failing grade.


Everyone is C or more.


Knicks are the only ones that are a D (and no F).

And its somewhat true. They drafted a 2nd rounder in the first round (and mid-1st round at that). They then drafted someone who would be undrafted in the second round by paying $1 million for the pick.


yeah.

But lets see. Hopefully they'll do something

Landry Field was suppose to go undrafted and he turn out to being a steal. Beside PhX was trying to buy a pick to Draft Iman so he wouldn't have made it to the second round. Our Scouts does good when it comes to drafting when it's a late pick

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 11:28 PM
They are not THE top offensive players

Fine they are amongst the top offensive players in the NBA. Either way he will learn from some of the best.

VillaMaravilla
06-24-2011, 11:30 PM
Phx were planning on making a trade to get a 20th pick to Draft Iman until the Knicks selected him. Iman Stock was on the rise He shut down jimmer, jerkins and a few other in his work out and was told to shut it down by the Knicks staff. But you probably wanted Jimmer so there's probably no reason trying to explain why the Knicks decided to go defense.

lol where did you get that the Knicks told him to shut it down plz provide the link? and if you justifing the pick because he shut down Jimmer in a practic not good enough and plzzz kind of funny of all teams that wanted him its was Pheonix reminds me when my Jets drafted GHOLSTON great comibine and we drafted him because it was rumored that New England wanted him.....listen until he proves hes worth his position the Jury is out on this pick and stop being a homer dude

VillaMaravilla
06-24-2011, 11:33 PM
Landry Field was suppose to go undrafted and he turn out to being a steal. Beside PhX was trying to buy a pick to Draft Iman so he wouldn't have made it to the second round. Our Scouts does good when it comes to drafting when it's a late pick

first the Knicks told him to shut it down now Phx was trying to buy a pick to grab hime my dude if your going to write these thing provide the link or else your just writing nonsense

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 11:34 PM
Fran is a good player! You take that back ;)

But seriously...if he'd ever just ****ing come over and play :sigh:

I just don't buy that the media scrutinizes the Knicks more than other team. That's all I'm getting at.

THe Guy the cavs selected 4th was supposed to go in the early teens but they made it seem like it was a good pick up. I mean How is irving a proven number 1 player he hardly played college ball with his injury. If it was the knicks it would had been bashed epically if we already had B davis, sessions Gibson,
and stack at PF with AV JJ hickson, Jamison. The media don't give us the benefit of the doubt like most others

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 11:36 PM
first the Knicks told him to shut it down now Phx was trying to buy a pick to grab hime my dude if your going to write these thing provide the link or else your just writing nonsense

Check the Phx forum I went into every draft thread for every team and read that PHX was going to trade for the 20th pick to draft Iman but didn't because the Knicks selected him at 17

VillaMaravilla
06-24-2011, 11:37 PM
We have Shawne Williams that did a decent job backing up Amare. It's no Secret Billups is to old to guard the quicker PG in the league and there's is a ton of them. Toney Douglas had shoulder surgery he may be traded sooner than later. So having a guard that can play the 1-3 position and is very good on defense something NY need Because Ray Allen and Rondo had their way with us in the Playoffs is not so bad. And for Josh A lot of people say he wont make it Even though I heard Kentucky Wouldn't have gotten as far without him. These two guys are going to do the dirty work Something our stars aren't going to do.

I thought PUNK was ahomer but you take the cake brotha so what u saying that Singleton cant guard a 2? man stop it Iman was a reach a huge reach and im sure ive been a Knick fan way longer then you but im no homer if we f up we f up and i call it for what it is.....when Faried comes to town and drops a double double on us and Iman does nothing we'll see what you homers got to say

knickerbockerny
06-24-2011, 11:37 PM
Fran is a good player! You take that back ;)

But seriously...if he'd ever just ****ing come over and play :sigh:

I just don't buy that the media scrutinizes the Knicks more than other team. That's all I'm getting at.

ManRam the media kills the Knicks no matter what. I truly believe Jimmer Freddette or Kemba Walker would have been the only two picks the Knicks could have made and no one would have complained.

In regards to Fran Vasquez, he would look good with Howard, but I don't see him coming over anytime soon, if at all

knickerbockerny
06-24-2011, 11:39 PM
I thought PUNK was ahomer but you take the cake brotha so what u saying that Singleton cant guard a 2? man stop it Iman was a reach a huge reach and im sure ive been a Knick fan way longer then you but im no homer if we f up we f up and i call it for what it is.....when Faried comes to town and drops a double double on us and Iman does nothing we'll see what you homers got to say

Even Donnie Walsh said it himself that Singleton would have trouble constantly chasing smaller guards off of screens.

Singleton and Faried are ok players, but because Amare and Melo are here, the Knicks decided to go elsewhere with the pick, you can't fault them.

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 11:42 PM
I thought PUNK was ahomer but you take the cake brotha so what u saying that Singleton cant guard a 2? man stop it Iman was a reach a huge reach and im sure ive been a Knick fan way longer then you but im no homer if we f up we f up and i call it for what it is.....when Faried comes to town and drops a double double on us and Iman does nothing we'll see what you homers got to say

Your Just a stereotypical Knicks fans that like to bash a young player before he even gets a chance to prove what he can bring to the table.

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 11:43 PM
Even Donnie Walsh said it himself that Singleton would have trouble constantly chasing smaller guards off of screens.

Singleton and Faried are ok players, but because Amare and Melo are here, the Knicks decided to go elsewhere with the pick, you can't fault them.

I would not listen to anything mikey d says about defense

VillaMaravilla
06-24-2011, 11:44 PM
Even Donnie Walsh said it himself that Singleton would have trouble constantly chasing smaller guards off of screens.

Singleton and Faried are ok players, but because Amare and Melo are here, the Knicks decided to go elsewhere with the pick, you can't fault them.

but my dude i really dont get this argument....all of us say we lost to Boston because Amare got hurt so you dont think Faried would come in handy and can give Amare a break during a game let me ask you this who is backing up Amare who is backing us Melo yeah i guess Faried and Singleton really arent need on our team:facepalm:

gotoHcarolina52
06-24-2011, 11:44 PM
I thought PUNK was ahomer but you take the cake brotha so what u saying that Singleton cant guard a 2? man stop it Iman was a reach a huge reach and im sure ive been a Knick fan way longer then you but im no homer if we f up we f up and i call it for what it is.....when Faried comes to town and drops a double double on us and Iman does nothing we'll see what you homers got to say

ñoo, como comen mierda esa gente, asere.

Stuckey#3
06-24-2011, 11:44 PM
A lot more accurate than that ******* Trey Kirby at Yahoo

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 11:45 PM
ManRam the media kills the Knicks no matter what. I truly believe Jimmer Freddette or Kemba Walker would have been the only two picks the Knicks could have made and no one would have complained.

In regards to Fran Vasquez, he would look good with Howard, but I don't see him coming over anytime soon, if at all

Maybe Kemba But i can guarantee If the Knicks draft Jimmer they would said Knicks don't need scoring they need Defense. And the Knicks did get defense and now they complain about his lack of offense.

VillaMaravilla
06-24-2011, 11:45 PM
Your Just a stereotypical Knicks fans that like to bash a young player before he even gets a chance to prove what he can bring to the table.

and your a sterotypical HOMER who likes to make a bad move look good just because the player is on your team

VillaMaravilla
06-24-2011, 11:46 PM
ñoo, como comen mierda esa gente, asere.

alabao asere la mierda que tengo que leer

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 11:47 PM
but my dude i really dont get this argument....all of us say we lost to Boston because Amare got hurt so you dont think Faried would come in handy and can give Amare a break during a game let me ask you this who is backing up Amare who is backing us Melo yeah i guess Faried and Singleton really arent need on our team:facepalm:

We lost because of Ray allen shooting around 60% form the three. We almost won game 2 without Amare. And was blown out twice at home when amare tried to play at less than 40% Which hurt the team more than help

VillaMaravilla
06-24-2011, 11:49 PM
We lost because of Ray allen shooting around 60% form the three. We almost won game 2 without Amare. And was blown out twice at home when amare tried to play at less than 40% Which hurt the team more than help

so now we didnt lose because Amare got hurt you guys are to much really....so answer me who is backing up AMARE who is mad injury prone and Melo come on i really want to hear this one....jj?

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 11:50 PM
alabao asere la mierda que tengo que leer

what does alabao asere mean? The rest of this i get.

VillaMaravilla
06-24-2011, 11:51 PM
no wait SHAWN WILLIAMS LOL yeah your right slimjim we had no need for Faried or Singleton niether would of gotten playing time buttttt with TD, landry and Billups Iman is going to get mad burn yea i can see that

knickerbockerny
06-24-2011, 11:51 PM
alabao asere la mierda que tengo que leer

a veces escuchar la verdad

VillaMaravilla
06-24-2011, 11:52 PM
what does alabao asere mean? The rest of this i get.

its like saying "damn bro" lol

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 11:53 PM
and your a sterotypical HOMER who likes to make a bad move look good just because the player is on your team

How can you call it a bad move without seeing him play first ? Just because experts had him going in the second round ? When have those experts been 100% accurate when it comes to sports

showtym24
06-24-2011, 11:54 PM
Ive read from 3 or 4 different analyst now that norris is the best pure PG in the draft. Hopefully he develops a jumper.

knickerbockerny
06-24-2011, 11:54 PM
but my dude i really dont get this argument....all of us say we lost to Boston because Amare got hurt so you dont think Faried would come in handy and can give Amare a break during a game let me ask you this who is backing up Amare who is backing us Melo yeah i guess Faried and Singleton really arent need on our team:facepalm:

I guess lacking a pick next season, they would rather draft a potential starter (Chauncey's replacement) then draft a player that would max out on the bench.

VillaMaravilla
06-24-2011, 11:54 PM
a veces escuchar la verdad

lol conooo brode no sabia que eras latino....que verdad de que men aqui la gente se ciega

VillaMaravilla
06-24-2011, 11:58 PM
I guess lacking a pick next season, they would rather draft a potential starter (Chauncey's replacement) then draft a player that would max out on the bench.

dude we all got to pray that this kid pans out with everyone we passed on because Faried os going to be a beast and Brooks for get it that kid is going to be something else i just got a problem drafting someone we could of gotten in the second round and that Josh kid was a waste of 750k we could of picked him up as undrafted free agent the truth is the truth you know it

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 11:58 PM
so now we didnt lose because Amare got hurt you guys are to much really....so answer me who is backing up AMARE who is mad injury prone and Melo come on i really want to hear this one....jj?

Not having AMare hurt us. But Ray allen shot dam near perfect from three. Along with Rondo Having his way getting into the paint breaking down our defense.

knickerbockerny
06-25-2011, 12:03 AM
lol conooo brode no sabia que eras latino....que verdad de que men aqui la gente se ciega

Lol no soy Latino, utiliza al inglés al traductor español en la internet lol! Tuvieron a español en la escuela secundaria, por lo que conozco un poco! :cool::D

Knicks21
06-25-2011, 12:04 AM
Ahhhh the Knicks get a D, nothing new.

Cano4prez
06-25-2011, 12:04 AM
Ive read from 3 or 4 different analyst now that norris is the best pure PG in the draft. Hopefully he develops a jumper.

Chad Ford had him as the 2nd best PG behind Kyrie, hopefully he pans out

emman03
06-25-2011, 12:05 AM
heat get a steal in the draft i love cole and he can become a great pg in heat team!!

Knicks21
06-25-2011, 12:05 AM
How can you call it a bad move without seeing him play first ? Just because experts had him going in the second round ? When have those experts been 100% accurate when it comes to sports

When Landry Fields wasn't in their top 100 :facepalm:

VillaMaravilla
06-25-2011, 12:05 AM
How can you call it a bad move without seeing him play first ? Just because experts had him going in the second round ? When have those experts been 100% accurate when it comes to sports

listen dude i know where your coming from i know that getting Landry last year makes people think that Donnie knows what hes doing but at the end of the day he didnt make this pick it was Mike and getting lucky happens how many times you know this, come on man when 10 out of 10 analyst hate our draft its gotta stand for something hey i hope your right and im wrong and during the season you rub my face in it and remind me of all my post trust me i do but i dont see it happening, you just cant pass up on Faried and Brooks for a kid that was projected to go second round i mean damn dude hes doesnt even have a high bb iq and shoots for ****, you want defense you go for Faried who can back up Amare and Melo of you go for Singleton who can do the same, getting a backup for Amare is much more important then a backup for landry or billup especially when amare is injury prone

VillaMaravilla
06-25-2011, 12:08 AM
Lol no soy Latino, utiliza al inglés al traductor español en la internet lol! Tuvieron a español en la escuela secundaria, por lo que conozco un poco! :cool::D

lmao de madre asere....bueno por lo menos sabes un poco:clap:

gaughan333
06-25-2011, 12:08 AM
Lol no soy Latino, utiliza al inglés al traductor español en la internet lol! Tuvieron a español en la escuela secundaria, por lo que conozco un poco! :cool::D

Using a spanish translator is pretty obvious because it is such an odd translation sometimes. Kinda sucked in school haha

Slimsim
06-25-2011, 12:08 AM
Chad Ford had him as the 2nd best PG behind Kyrie, hopefully he pans out

a heat fan hoping a laker player pan out.

gaughan333
06-25-2011, 12:09 AM
When Landry Fields wasn't in their top 100 :facepalm:

landry fields type players are not a frequent thing though.

Knicks21
06-25-2011, 12:14 AM
listen dude i know where your coming from i know that getting Landry last year makes people think that Donnie knows what hes doing but at the end of the day he didnt make this pick it was Mike and getting lucky happens how many times you know this, come on man when 10 out of 10 analyst hate our draft its gotta stand for something hey i hope your right and im wrong and during the season you rub my face in it and remind me of all my post trust me i do but i dont see it happening, you just cant pass up on Faried and Brooks for a kid that was projected to go second round i mean damn dude hes doesnt even have a high bb iq and shoots for ****, you want defense you go for Faried who can back up Amare and Melo of you go for Singleton who can do the same, getting a backup for Amare is much more important then a backup for landry or billup especially when amare is injury prone

Faired is 6ft 8. Shumpert gave everyone what they wanted, defence, we weren't drafting on best overall talent we were drafting on what we need. Shumpert plays great defence, hes athletic and he will have a chance to make the regular rotation as the SG. Unlike a Chris Singleton or a Faired when get 10-15 mins a game if lucky. The Scouts advised Donnie who to pick. Coaches, especially Mike D do not have a lot to do with the roster change. It is up to the GM to build the best possible roster. Mike was unhappy when we traded Gallo, he does not have an impact on our trades/free agents/draft.

knickerbockerny
06-25-2011, 12:15 AM
lmao de madre asere....bueno por lo menos sabes un poco:clap:

Tome todo el crédito, olvidar mi madre lol :p

VillaMaravilla
06-25-2011, 12:15 AM
landry fields type players are not a frequent thing though.

thats what ive been saying, everyone thinks we are going to find a Landry from now on in every draft, we got lucky people thats all nothing more.....all i know i dont want to hear any crying when Faried comes to town and drops a double double on us or when Singleton shuts down one of our own or even worse when Brooks comes and goes nuts.....welll my fello NBA fans im out TACO BELL is calling me, be safe and God bless

knickerbockerny
06-25-2011, 12:16 AM
Using a spanish translator is pretty obvious because it is such an odd translation sometimes. Kinda sucked in school haha

I know, lol! At least I got the credit.:clap:

gaughan333
06-25-2011, 12:17 AM
alabao asere- how is this pronounced? al abaho aseray?

VillaMaravilla
06-25-2011, 12:18 AM
Tome todo el crédito, olvidar mi madre lol :p

lol i got to clear that up before i bounce "de madre" is not an insult bro its like saying "damn" atleast for us Cubans thats what it means....nite man be safe

VillaMaravilla
06-25-2011, 12:19 AM
alabao asere- how is this pronounced? Al abaho aseray?

a la bao like that and aseere like that lol

tp13baby
06-25-2011, 12:21 AM
Denver only with a B?
i loved what they did. Got Faried. I think will play alot like Kenyon Martin down the road. And Hamilton? alot projected him going top 15. I love it.

We got rid of Felton and i am okay with that. I have always liked andre miller.

gaughan333
06-25-2011, 12:22 AM
I know, lol! At least I got the credit.:clap:

Same here. Although I'm currently trying to learn it for real now.

knickerbockerny
06-25-2011, 12:22 AM
lol i got to clear that up before i bounce "de madre" is not an insult bro its like saying "damn" atleast for us Cubans thats what it means....nite man be safe

Its cool bro, love your Knick insight btw.

Cano4prez
06-25-2011, 12:29 AM
a heat fan hoping a laker player pan out.

He was talking about Norris Cole, who the Heat drafted :confused:

Slimsim
06-25-2011, 12:44 AM
He was talking about Norris Cole, who the Heat drafted :confused:

I think he meant the PG LA drafted Darious morris the best past first pg in the draft

BSplaya2121
06-25-2011, 01:06 PM
Probably won't play him at all. Playoff teams do not get significant minutes from guys that raw usually.

Well the knicks front office must have saw something more because clearly after giving up on a guy like anthony randolph, the higher ups and d'antoni are clearly not willing to wait for a raw talent. He might not be polished but he might be less "raw" than you think. We don't know we wernt at the workouts watching them play

hugepatsfan
06-25-2011, 01:22 PM
Well the knicks front office must have saw something more because clearly after giving up on a guy like anthony randolph, the higher ups and d'antoni are clearly not willing to wait for a raw talent. He might not be polished but he might be less "raw" than you think. We don't know we wernt at the workouts watching them play

You actually make a good point about Randolph. They obviously were not very high on him, despite great raw skills. That leads me to believe that they didn't just take him for his raw skills. Maybe they see something we don't. But that doesn't make myself or any other poster that doubts the pick wrong to criticize it. If he pans out we'll be wrong - won't be the first time.