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LTBaByyy
06-23-2011, 10:47 PM
Who do yall have so far???

Winners
1
2
3

Losers
1
2
3

DR_1
06-23-2011, 10:49 PM
Winners
1. Bobcats
2. Cavs
3. Blazers

Losers
1. Thunder
2. Bulls
3. T-Wolves

ironkobe
06-23-2011, 10:50 PM
winners
1 bucks
2 cavs
3 nets

Giraffes Rule
06-23-2011, 10:52 PM
It's not over yet...

Gators123
06-23-2011, 10:53 PM
Pistons got Knight with the 8th pick. Win.

Cal827
06-23-2011, 10:55 PM
Winners
1.Cavs
2. Bucks ( I think that team is now a defensive force to be reckoned with)
3.Bobcats (although I doubt they win 5 games this year, the seem in good position for future lol).

Losers
1. T'wolves (They are gonna lose a good pick next year unless Kahn has something up his sleeve, also why do they keep trading down? lol)
2. Raptors (I'm convinced they could have obtained another lottery pick this year, and picked Walker or Knight)
3. Nets (Cause once Williams Leaves, they are going to need as many prospects as possible lol)

Gram
06-23-2011, 10:59 PM
Detroit with Knight at 8.... Singler is a Piston too. <3

DROSE4MVP
06-23-2011, 10:59 PM
Winners
1. Bobcats
2. Cavs
3. Blazers

Losers
1. Thunder
2. Bulls
3. T-Wolves

Let me guess... you put the Bulls as 'losers' because we didn't get Marshon Brooks, right?

Hawkeye15
06-23-2011, 11:03 PM
bit early..........

Gators123
06-23-2011, 11:03 PM
Winners
1. Pistons
2. Cavs
3. Bobcats

Losers
1. Kings
2. Raptors
3. Nets

theheatles
06-23-2011, 11:05 PM
Winners
1.Bobcats
2.Nets
3.Blazers

jimbobjarree
06-23-2011, 11:07 PM
Bobcats, Pistons and Blazers so far for me

heyman321
06-23-2011, 11:10 PM
Raptors are one of the losers. I demand Colangelo be fired!!!

Astronaut
06-23-2011, 11:11 PM
How do any of you have the Cavs as the winners.. Yes we got Kyrie but..


We picked two 4's... :facepalm:

Hulk6
06-23-2011, 11:11 PM
Winners
Bobcats- got 2 great players in biyombo and kemba
Kings- got our man in Jimmer, and a steal in Honeycutt at 34
Pistons- Brandon knight

irobson
06-23-2011, 11:11 PM
winners
blazers , wizards - got the perimeter scorer/defenders badly needed , bobcats

papipapsmanny
06-23-2011, 11:12 PM
i feel like the wizards are winners

TaylorMays
06-23-2011, 11:14 PM
losers
rockets-drafted a tweener forward without a place on the team then traded 3 draft picks and miller for flynn and the player we should have taken at 14

KnicksR4Real
06-23-2011, 11:16 PM
the knicks are the biggest ****ing losers

airforceones25
06-23-2011, 11:20 PM
Wolves fans can defend Kahn all they want but how they guy still has a job beats me. Terrible

tbone2171
06-23-2011, 11:23 PM
Wolves fans can defend Kahn all they want but how they guy still has a job beats me. Terrible

Care to explain?

sventhedog
06-23-2011, 11:24 PM
so i'm making a mistake for choosing kahn as my role model?

OnTheBrink
06-23-2011, 11:24 PM
Magic are a loser. All they've done is trade 2 future 2nd round picks for Justin Harper.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2011, 11:26 PM
Care to explain?

Draft a raw European that supposedly has gobs of potential and trade him and Flynn for Brad Miller and their pick. You guys traded down like 2 times right? How didn't Kahn blow this draft? Brad Miller!? This isn't Bulls Brad Miller.. this is old, bigger version of Kevin Love who can't rebound Brad Miller. Last think you guys needed was another jump shooting bigman who plays 0 defense and is slow and unathletic.

Kyben36
06-23-2011, 11:28 PM
Mavs, getting rudy for the 23rd in a weak draft was a steal.

tbone2171
06-23-2011, 11:29 PM
Draft a raw European that supposedly has gobs of potential and trade him and Flynn for Brad Miller and their pick. You guys traded down like 2 times right? How didn't Kahn blow this draft? Brad Miller!? This isn't Bulls Brad Miller.. this is old, bigger version of Kevin Love who can't rebound Brad Miller. Last think you guys needed was another jump shooting bigman who plays 0 defense and is slow and unathletic.

Wtf are you talking about? Timberwolves drafted Williams and Malcolm Lee..Everyone else was drafted on behalf of other teams

Clippersfan86
06-23-2011, 11:30 PM
Mavs, getting rudy for the 23rd in a weak draft was a steal.

Agree 100 percent. Mavs no doubt got better with this deal! Also another young piece to build around when they go younger for the future post Dirk era. I laughed because on my Mavs NBA 2k11 franchise... Rudy is my star player after Dirk.

FLWolvesFan
06-23-2011, 11:31 PM
Wolves fans can defend Kahn all they want but how they guy still has a job beats me. Terrible

All I care about is that at least Kahn took the right player at two.....

Clippersfan86
06-23-2011, 11:33 PM
Wtf are you talking about? Timberwolves drafted Williams and Malcolm Lee..Everyone else was drafted on behalf of other teams

Brad Miller is all I have to say. They got Malcolm Lee by trading down. Besides according to most scouts.. the European big they originally drafted (Don't remember his name) had possibly the highest upside in the draft. So it was a bad trade.

j-bay
06-23-2011, 11:33 PM
wizards
vesely, singleton,

dodie53
06-23-2011, 11:34 PM
suns = losers

tbone2171
06-23-2011, 11:34 PM
Brad Miller is all I have to say. They got Malcolm Lee by trading down. Besides according to most scouts.. the European big they originally drafted (Don't remember his name) had possibly the highest upside in the draft. So it was a bad trade.

They got a first round pick as well

PackerBuckBrew
06-23-2011, 11:35 PM
The Bucks lost by grabbing Marcus Haislip 2.0 with the 20th pick. They won with Jon Leuer

Clippersfan86
06-23-2011, 11:37 PM
They got a first round pick as well

Well I'm not a Wolves fan so obviously I'm going to see it differently. Good luck.

rurichie
06-23-2011, 11:40 PM
Winners-
1-Washington
2-Sacramento
3-New Jersey

Losers-
1-Raptors- another international big man
2-Knicks- could've had a lot better players than Shumpert
3-Suns- can never get lucky when picking a brother picked Blake Griffens,Brook Lopez, and now Marcus Morris' brother

FLWolvesFan
06-23-2011, 11:43 PM
Brad Miller is all I have to say. They got Malcolm Lee by trading down. Besides according to most scouts.. the European big they originally drafted (Don't remember his name) had possibly the highest upside in the draft. So it was a bad trade.

We received future picks and nabbed Lee, we'll see how it plays out. It's a little premature to call it a bad night.

shep33
06-23-2011, 11:43 PM
I like what Portland did... got Felton

D Roses Bulls
06-23-2011, 11:45 PM
Winners
1. Bobcats
2. Cavs
3. Blazers

Losers
1. Thunder
2. Bulls
3. T-Wolves

:confused: you do realize pretty much everyone in this draft was a loser. this was a horrible draft and besides, what can you really do with the 28th and last pick of the 1st round?

NBAfan4life
06-23-2011, 11:51 PM
The Wolves lost when they picked the best player by most experts in the draft. PSD can be crazy sometimes.

John Walls Era
06-23-2011, 11:54 PM
Wizards. They got Vesely, aka ROY.

Slimsim
06-23-2011, 11:54 PM
Knick got 2 defensive minded players a athletic freak to guard the rondos roses and collisions in the east something billups can't do at his age and we just got a center that is ahrd working and is a good rebounder something Knicks Desperately needed good draft for the Knicks

Loser i say Toronto i thought they would get Brandon Knight to develop with Demar

John Walls Era
06-23-2011, 11:55 PM
Winners-
1-Washington
2-Sacramento
3-New Jersey

Losers-
1-Raptors- another international big man
2-Knicks- could've had a lot better players than Shumpert
3-Suns- can never get lucky when picking a brother picked Blake Griffens,Brook Lopez, and now Marcus Morris' brother

Thats terrible logic. Remind me who was the Finals MVP?

Mudvayne91
06-24-2011, 12:04 AM
Nugs getting 2 players they were very high on in the first round, a veteran PG and a future 2nd round pick for a PG that pretty much demanded to be traded and was awful in the playoffs. Don't want to sound too much like a homer, but I think they were pretty impressive.

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 12:04 AM
Thats terrible logic. Remind me who was the Finals MVP?

Dirk ?

Master Mind
06-24-2011, 12:08 AM
Wiz
Bobcats
Kings

#winning

koreancabbage
06-24-2011, 12:08 AM
Winners-
1-Washington
2-Sacramento
3-New Jersey

Losers-
1-Raptors- another international big man
2-Knicks- could've had a lot better players than Shumpert
3-Suns- can never get lucky when picking a brother picked Blake Griffens,Brook Lopez, and now Marcus Morris' brother

well, they only drafted one and his name is Bargnani, but yes, literally, another european big man. (who is not a perimeter player if you were wondering.)

MrfadeawayJB
06-24-2011, 12:09 AM
Winners:
1 Detroit
2 Washington
3 Sacramento
notable: Dallas

Losers:
1 Knicks
2 thunder
3 suns

FaM0us Skins
06-24-2011, 12:09 AM
76ers is a loser in the 2011 nba draft

koreancabbage
06-24-2011, 12:10 AM
Knick got 2 defensive minded players a athletic freak to guard the rondos roses and collisions in the east something billups can't do at his age and we just got a center that is ahrd working and is a good rebounder something Knicks Desperately needed good draft for the Knicks

Loser i say Toronto i thought they would get Brandon Knight to develop with Demar

this i agree on. like WTF?

Knight did not look happy to be selected by Detroit with the 8th pick at all.

arkanian215
06-24-2011, 12:11 AM
1. Cavs
2. Bismack Biyombo
3. MarShon Brooks (http://twitpic.com/5fxwpv)

BSplaya2121
06-24-2011, 12:12 AM
Winners-
1-Washington
2-Sacramento
3-New Jersey

Losers-
1-Raptors- another international big man
2-Knicks- could've had a lot better players than Shumpert
3-Suns- can never get lucky when picking a brother picked Blake Griffens,Brook Lopez, and now Marcus Morris' brother

i Know its opinionated, but you must be sore about the Knicks for some reason. They are not winners because they could have gotten a "best available" with singleton or Hamilton, however they are far from losers because they not only bought a pick at 45 in which they don't have any guaranteed money invested in with Harrelson, but they got pretty much what they were looking for in Shumpert. Yes I agree it was a bit of a reach but its exactly what they needed getting an almost 6'6 point guard who is an above average defender which the Knicks were extremely lacking. Plus he had a great workout with them.

papipapsmanny
06-24-2011, 12:12 AM
Love what the wiz did and they're roster

Wall/Mack
Young/Crawford
Vesely/Singleton
Blatche/Lewis/Booker
Mcgee/Ndiaye/Seraphin

Korman12
06-24-2011, 12:12 AM
Winners:

1. Washington
2. Utah
3. Milwaukee/Charlotte

Losers:

1. New York
2. Philadelphia
3. Indiana

PistonsFan14
06-24-2011, 12:13 AM
Winners:
Cavs
Pistons
Bobcats

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 12:13 AM
this i agree on. like WTF?

Knight did not look happy to be selected by Detroit with the 8th pick at all.

he didn't even work out for them Detroit selected Best player available.

Spacolie716
06-24-2011, 12:16 AM
The Bucks lost by grabbing Marcus Haislip 2.0 with the 20th pick. They won with Jon Leuer

THANK YOU! it seemed like i was the only one thinking that

BSplaya2121
06-24-2011, 12:17 AM
this i agree on. like WTF?

Knight did not look happy to be selected by Detroit with the 8th pick at all.

x2 Toronto has huge upside with Amir, and Demar. If you add Knight to the mix.... Damnnnnnnn.

However I think there were two huge winners in the draft. The Wizards "stealing" Singleton with the 18th pick, and Veasly who has a ton of potential and in the Highlights ive seen, he resembles small shades of Dirk with his shooting, strength, and size.

The other one has to be the Blazers. Adding Felton to this team for a late pick in a weak draft was an awesome move. He is the perfect compliment to their stars in LA, Roy, and Wallace. Props to their GM.

Gators123
06-24-2011, 12:22 AM
this i agree on. like WTF?

Knight did not look happy to be selected by Detroit with the 8th pick at all.

Because NOBODY had him dropping below 5 and he went at 8. He was not happy about dropping.

A lot of people thought he was going #3.

PHX2daDEATH
06-24-2011, 12:22 AM
I dont care about any of the other teams although the Spurs out-smarted my Suns in getting Kawhi.. all the West teams seem to get better while the Suns just strike out with effin D-leaguers..

Clesports4ever
06-24-2011, 12:22 AM
The cavs were losers... They won't be any better next year

Duncan = Donkey
06-24-2011, 12:24 AM
Hopefully we get the better twin this time

Romo2Bryant
06-24-2011, 12:25 AM
Winners: Bobcats, Cavs, Blazers

Losers: Raptors, T-Wolves, Knicks

Bulls_fan90
06-24-2011, 12:26 AM
Because NOBODY had him dropping below 5 and he went at 8. He was not happy about dropping.

A lot of people thought he was going #3.

Draftexpress (probably the best site for mock drafts had him going no. 7). So that is clearly wrong. I do agree that he is a steal though.

Daye#5
06-24-2011, 12:28 AM
Hopefully we get the better twin this time

Haha that made my night lol.

Arch Stanton
06-24-2011, 12:33 AM
Winners-
1-Washington
2-Sacramento
3-New Jersey

Losers-
1-Raptors- another international big man
2-Knicks- could've had a lot better players than Shumpert
3-Suns- can never get lucky when picking a brother picked Blake Griffens,Brook Lopez, and now Marcus Morris' brother

Raptors got a good pick. Valanciunas could end up being the best pick in the draft later down the road. He would've been drafted higher if it wasn't for his foreign contract.

JWO35
06-24-2011, 12:36 AM
Losers- Kings: I heard they wanted Knight, well they could have drafted him if they didn't pull off a trade involving picks prior to the draft

Winners- Bobcats: Walking away with 2 Top 10 picks...

Arch Stanton
06-24-2011, 12:36 AM
The cavs were losers... They won't be any better next year

They got Kyrie so they can't be losers. And maybe next year they'll get some more quality draft picks.

Gators123
06-24-2011, 12:37 AM
Draftexpress (probably the best site for mock drafts had him going no. 7). So that is clearly wrong. I do agree that he is a steal though.

They updated their mock draft 30 minutes before the draft and put him at 7. They had him at #5 this morning and #3 a couple weeks ago.

topdog
06-24-2011, 12:47 AM
Why do so many people have T-Wolves as losers? They got everything they wanted to some degree:

Best Player in the draft: X
Future 1st Rounder: X
Veteran Center: X
Overseas Talent for Later: X
Player They Wanted at 20: X

Miller is out of his prime but is SKILLED. Malcolm Lee is who the Wolves were targeting for their 2nd pick and they got him plus + plus.

VinceCarter
06-24-2011, 01:02 AM
I can't wait for the season, I love the suspense. Can't wait to see if Brooks can become the steal of the draft.

twin4life
06-24-2011, 01:04 AM
Why do so many people have T-Wolves as losers? They got everything they wanted to some degree:

Best Player in the draft: X
Future 1st Rounder: X
Veteran Center: X
Overseas Talent for Later: X
Player They Wanted at 20: X

Miller is out of his prime but is SKILLED. Malcolm Lee is who the Wolves were targeting for their 2nd pick and they got him plus + plus.

Was just gonna say this.. Id say we are top 10 for winners in the draft.. Thats just me I guess

twin4life
06-24-2011, 01:05 AM
I can't wait for the season, I love the suspense. Can't wait to see if Brooks can become the steal of the draft.

I love this kid.. Hell of a pick!! He will be great!

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 01:08 AM
How do any of you have the Cavs as the winners.. Yes we got Kyrie but..


We picked two 4's... :facepalm:

Its called a bench, they help you win games. This team needed to take whatever talent they could, when it showed up.

Wisdom Listens
06-24-2011, 01:08 AM
People just love to hate on the T-Wolves and David Kahn.

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 01:11 AM
They got Kyrie so they can't be losers. And maybe next year they'll get some more quality draft picks.

I have been so sick of cavs fans on this forum but you give me hope. Someone who understands that rebuilding is more than a 1 year process. I just want to say thank you. If you are a team like the cavs you draft BAP regardless of position. That team needs to stockpile whatever they can get.

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 01:15 AM
People just love to hate on the T-Wolves and David Kahn.

I'm gonna reserve judgement til they make a trade. Right now they have too muhc young talent and need to do something, even if it's trade for a pick in next years draft.

cwilson21
06-24-2011, 01:19 AM
Haha at ppl putting the Twolves as losers. Exactly how did the Twolves lose in this draft?

Correct me if I'm wrong but did we not draft the BPA and get a guy who most believe to have the highest potential in the draft?

Not only that but instead of taking Lee at 20 which a lot of analysts wouldn't have seen as a reach, we get him at 43 after getting rid of that POS Flynn and picking up a future 1st rounder, 2 2nd rounders, a veteran C in Miller who represents cap relief, and cash to pay off Rambis' buyout.

Some people hate just to hate. The Wolves have so many options now in terms of potential trades, lineups, etc.

Phenomenonsense
06-24-2011, 01:22 AM
Winners:
Jazz: Kanter was easily the best player in the draft, most people just don't know it.
Pistons: Knight at 8 when he was fourth-ish best player in the draft.
Wizards: Great player in Vesely.

Losers:
Cavs: Passing on Valancuinas at 4 for TT? Are you joking? They had potential to turn it all around in a year. You know what they could've done? Traded for BG7 from the Pistons + the 8th pick, and still gotten TT, and also gotten a good SG next to Irving.

Kings: Missing out on Walker and Knight for no reason. Nuff said.

Suns: Getting the wrong twin again.

MU and UW Fan
06-24-2011, 01:30 AM
The Bucks lost by grabbing Marcus Haislip 2.0 with the 20th pick. They won with Jon Leuer

Harris isn't going to be a great player, but better than Haislip. You obviously say this just because they both went to Tennessee and were first round picks who ended up on Bucks. They are two different players. You are way off on this.

Wrigheyes4MVP
06-24-2011, 01:33 AM
Kings: Missing out on Walker and Knight for no reason. Nuff said.

Wrong. There is a reason. Its called Jimmermania!

LA_Raiders
06-24-2011, 01:37 AM
Win
1-Bobcats
2-Clev
3-Grizz

Lose
1-Kings
2-Den (Trade)
3-Lakers (Drafted players that wont make the team)

tyfreaks brotha
06-24-2011, 01:38 AM
Kings Won.

akesh99
06-24-2011, 01:41 AM
Winners:
Bobcats- Two great pickups in Biyombo and Walker
Pistons- Amazed to see Knight fell this low. They definitely lucked out.
Rockets- Turned Brad Miller into Motiejunas and Flynn. Great deal for them.

shimmyqturn77
06-24-2011, 01:45 AM
I was confused as everyone watching the timberwolves draft. I initially thought huge disappointment yet again in Kahn. However looking at the overview of the draft there's no way any one can consider the wolves a loser in this draft
In: Derrick Williams (best overall prospect)
Malcolm Lee (a guy we wanted to reach for @ 20)
Some Ngumbo guy (who the hell knows who he is)
2 future first round pick ( Trade with Houston, and Miami for the 28th pick)
Brad Miller

Out: Jonny Flynn (adios)
and the 20th pick (dontas whatever a PF which we already are stacked at for the next how many years. could bite us tho)

I would consider that a decent night, i'm curious to see what Kahn does next

Arch Stanton
06-24-2011, 01:45 AM
I have been so sick of cavs fans on this forum but you give me hope. Someone who understands that rebuilding is more than a 1 year process. I just want to say thank you. If you are a team like the cavs you draft BAP regardless of position. That team needs to stockpile whatever they can get.

It's hard to say they had a horrible draft. I think there are a lot of Cavs fans who really wanted Derrick Williams more. Because maybe he's more NBA ready. However, you have to be patient with rebuilding. You can't expect to go from a 19 win season to contending in one year. And I'd rather have a slower rebuild then to get good too quickly. That's exactly what happened with LeBron. The Cavs got good too quickly and weren't able to acquire any quality players from the draft. Then the playoffs became this broken record.
I will say that I don't completely understand the Tristan Thompson pick at 4. Now we have 6 PF on our roster. Maybe the Cavs are getting ready to swing a deal for some veteran help at the 3?

hyphy king 88
06-24-2011, 01:48 AM
Haha. Funny how most of the people who said the Kings were losers were Pistons fans. :rolleyes:

Eagles4Lyfe
06-24-2011, 01:54 AM
Raptors losers?? really?? Why taking a big man that many teams were coveting and can end up being the best talent down the road?? Not to mention a true center something we havent had in ages?? Thats not losing thats winning

mp3
06-24-2011, 01:54 AM
I think the warriors had a very quietly good draft. Klay Thompson will be a great compliment to Ellis off the bench. Jeremy Tyler was a projected lottery pick at one point in 2010, yes he has some issues, but the skill level of this kid is pretty dam good for 6"11.

I dont understand what the lakers did? They drafted a guy out of the d league who averaged .3 ppg and .7 rebounds. It had to be a joke... me and my friends that it was the funniest thing ever

nickdymez
06-24-2011, 02:00 AM
The Lakers clearly are losers in this draft... smh

nickdymez
06-24-2011, 02:01 AM
I think the warriors had a very quietly good draft. Klay Thompson will be a great compliment to Ellis off the bench. Jeremy Tyler was a projected lottery pick at one point in 2010, yes he has some issues, but the skill level of this kid is pretty dam good for 6"11.

I dont understand what the lakers did? They drafted a guy out of the d league who averaged .3 ppg and .7 rebounds. It had to be a joke... me and my friends that it was the funniest thing ever

I that the same thing

Kashmir13579
06-24-2011, 02:03 AM
Haha at ppl putting the Twolves as losers. Exactly how did the Twolves lose in this draft?

Correct me if I'm wrong but did we not draft the BPA and get a guy who most believe to have the highest potential in the draft?

Not only that but instead of taking Lee at 20 which a lot of analysts wouldn't have seen as a reach, we get him at 43 after getting rid of that POS Flynn and picking up a future 1st rounder, 2 2nd rounders, a veteran C in Miller who represents cap relief, and cash to pay off Rambis' buyout.

Some people hate just to hate. The Wolves have so many options now in terms of potential trades, lineups, etc.


You guys are looking good, finally. Rubio and my man Wes Johnson gonna be a serious tandem this year.

AI4MVP
06-24-2011, 02:05 AM
Besides being thrilled about Derrick Williams...

I think the Bobcats had a fantastic drraft. Getting Biyombo and Walker. Awesome for them

Suns are definitely the losers.

cwilson21
06-24-2011, 02:06 AM
You guys are looking good, finally. Rubio and my man Wes Johnson gonna be a serious tandem this year.

Thank you. Finally an outsider with a bright take on the Wolves.

hyphy king 88
06-24-2011, 02:11 AM
Thank you. Finally an outsider with a bright take on the Wolves.

Honestly man, you guys are stacked with talent. Hope to see my Kings compete with you guys in the playoffs in the future. It would be fun to watch.

Gambeezy
06-24-2011, 02:22 AM
Winners
Bobcats- got 2 great players in biyombo and kemba
Kings- got our man in Jimmer, and a steal in Honeycutt at 34
Pistons- Brandon knight

I'm athletic-5'11-186lbs and I weigh more than him. That kid needs an NBA body quickly. He's weirdly thin.

nickdymez
06-24-2011, 02:22 AM
Besides being thrilled about Derrick Williams...

I think the Bobcats had a fantastic drraft. Getting Biyombo and Walker. Awesome for them

Suns are definitely the losers.

Your not serious with that sig right?

nickdymez
06-24-2011, 02:23 AM
I'm athletic-5'11-186lbs and I weigh more than him. That kid needs an NBA body quickly. He's weirdly thin.

They said the same thing about Durant.

mp3
06-24-2011, 02:24 AM
Your not serious with that sig right?

cant wait for this guy to be a bust

nickdymez
06-24-2011, 02:28 AM
cant wait for this guy to be a bust

yea, thats the most ridiculous thing ive seen

Gambeezy
06-24-2011, 02:28 AM
They said the same thing about Durant.

Then Durant laughed and said "I'll make the basket from anywhere on the court you fools".

Honeycutt needs to grab rebounds and do some work in the post. His thin frame will be more of an issue than Durant's. But, if size is his only issue then he should be fine. Weight and muscle are the easiest things to gain. No skills necessary.

JPHX
06-24-2011, 02:31 AM
Suns lost big time.

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 02:33 AM
Wrong. There is a reason. Its called Jimmermania!

Hope this is sarcasm because he becomes a good/great 6 man at best. Still would rather have knight's potential over that

nykobe24
06-24-2011, 02:34 AM
I don't completely understand the Tristan Thompson pick at 4 someone explain to me
was he the best available or they just drafted him for need?

nickdymez
06-24-2011, 02:34 AM
Then Durant laughed and said "I'll make the basket from anywhere on the court you fools".

Honeycutt needs to grab rebounds and do some work in the post. His thin frame will be more of an issue than Durant's. But, if size is his only issue the he should be fine. Weight and muscle are the easiest things to gain. No skills necessary.

Yea thats pretty much how i felt about Durant. I watched that guy (Durant) in college and knew he would be fine.

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 02:36 AM
It's hard to say they had a horrible draft. I think there are a lot of Cavs fans who really wanted Derrick Williams more. Because maybe he's more NBA ready. However, you have to be patient with rebuilding. You can't expect to go from a 19 win season to contending in one year. And I'd rather have a slower rebuild then to get good too quickly. That's exactly what happened with LeBron. The Cavs got good too quickly and weren't able to acquire any quality players from the draft. Then the playoffs became this broken record.
I will say that I don't completely understand the Tristan Thompson pick at 4. Now we have 6 PF on our roster. Maybe the Cavs are getting ready to swing a deal for some veteran help at the 3?

I really like TT. I don't know if you agree or not, but after Kanter who'd you want at the 4? The only one I really like there is Jan vesley. Unless you draft knight to trade him. I'm happy to see you somewhat agree that it takes time to build a team though

nickdymez
06-24-2011, 02:37 AM
I don't completely understand the Tristan Thompson pick at 4 someone explain to me
was he the best available or they just drafted him for need?

same thing i was thinking

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 02:38 AM
You guys are looking good, finally. Rubio and my man Wes Johnson gonna be a serious tandem this year.

Sig it? If you will, I will. Wes Johnson will be a stud. I have loved this dude since before his days at cuse.

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 02:41 AM
I'm athletic-5'11-186lbs and I weigh more than him. That kid needs an NBA body quickly. He's weirdly thin.

I'm 6 foot and i went from 170 to 185 in 6 months without a trainer. All it takes is some commitment in the weight room. Oh, and im quite athletic, whatever that means in a discription. I think he's a steal (bulls fan whos mad we didnt snag him)

Crackadalic
06-24-2011, 02:42 AM
Suns always pick the worse twin. 3rd time thats happen

Wolves had a good draft so idk what people hating on them

keithy19
06-24-2011, 02:43 AM
I never feel completely comfortable when it comes to saying who the winners and losers of a draft are the day right after.

THE GIPPER
06-24-2011, 02:56 AM
How are the raps losers??? If anything they could come away as the big winners.

I'm going with the nugs and bobcats as winners and sac as losers

Mudvayne91
06-24-2011, 03:02 AM
Win
1-Bobcats
2-Clev
3-Grizz

Lose
1-Kings
2-Den (Trade)
3-Lakers (Drafted players that wont make the team)

I'm curious to why you feel Denver is a loser. I thought they did well. They were able to get two first round picks that were very high on their list and that also fit their needs well. Then they get a veteran PG that has done well with them in the past to backup Ty Lawson. In addition, they were able to get a future 2nd round pick. This all for a player that made it clear he wanted out if he wasn't starting, which wasn't going to happen. Not to mention, Felton had an atrocious playoffs with the Nuggets.

Wrigheyes4MVP
06-24-2011, 03:08 AM
Hope this is sarcasm because he becomes a good/great 6 man at best. Still would rather have knight's potential over that

I am being dead serious.

Jimmermania will rock your socks off! :speechless:

The reason he will be a legit star in this league: hard work and dedication.

Phenomenonsense
06-24-2011, 03:22 AM
I am being dead serious.

Jimmermania will rock your socks off! :speechless:

The reason he will be a legit star in this league: hard work and dedication.

You say that as though Knight isn't a work horse? 4.3 GPA with over 90 credit hours after 1 year at college makes him a junior and ready to graduate if he stayed one more year. Knight is so smart and works so hard it's ridiculous.

sacgiants1213
06-24-2011, 03:24 AM
Knight = Einstein.

TylerSL
06-24-2011, 03:27 AM
Winners

1.Cleveland Cavaliers-They have a future now, simple as that.

2.Utah Jazz-2 top 12 picks, got a good 19 year old 7'0 to go with Al Jefferson in the post, and got one of the best wing players in the draft in Alec Burks. Utah has established themselves with a deep core of bigs of Jefferson/Kanter/Millsap/Favors. Alec Burks is 6'6, yet has a 6'10 wingspan, is a good slasher, good rebounder, and gets everybody involved.

3.Milwaukee Bucks-They added Steven Jackson, Beno Udrih, and Shawn Livingston to their team and only gave up Corey Maggette and John Salmons. They traded a shooter in Jimmer, for a pretty good big in Tobais Harris which cancels out because they dont need shooters as much as they do bigs.


Losers

1.Minnesota Timberwolves-I really think they should have grabbed Enes Kanter or Brandon Knight at the #2 rather than Derrick Williams. I say this because they already have Beasley at SF, and Love at PF. I also thought it was a mistake to trade Jonny Flynn and the rights to Donatas Motiejunas for Brad Miller, and Nikola Mirotic. Also, after trading Flynn, it was a mistake to give Norris Cole to the Heat for Bojan Bogdanovic and cash.

2.Chicago Bulls-Past on Kyle Singler and Shelvin Mack which could have fixed their SG problem IMO, instead grabbed a SF, that can at best be a role player IMO.

3.New York Knicks-Past on several bigs (Donatas Motiejunas, Chris Singleton, Tobias Harris) that I think could have helped them more than Iman Shumpert.

KingPosey
06-24-2011, 03:30 AM
If youre the wolves, you have to take Williams, but that leaves an interesting situation in a year or so. Love has to play, you dont put a guy that averages 20 15 on the bench.And then you have 2 tweeners in Beasley and Williams. I have a feeling the Bease Disease is the odd man out again.

TheRunKiller
06-24-2011, 03:30 AM
Jimmy Butler was a steal at 30 he's going to be a good role player...kinda like luol deng 2.0

TheRunKiller
06-24-2011, 03:33 AM
tylersl how the hell are the bulls losers? Kyle Singler & Mack would have solved the bulls SG? are you kidding me? there was no one in this draft that would have solved the sg.

KingPosey
06-24-2011, 03:35 AM
You say that as though Knight isn't a work horse? 4.3 GPA with over 90 credit hours after 1 year at college makes him a junior and ready to graduate if he stayed one more year. Knight is so smart and works so hard it's ridiculous.

How is that even Possible when you pracice and workout 6 hours a day, miss several months during the season, and then right after the season you start traveling for workouts for the draft and meetings with teams?

Im not saying its exclusive to the school, but I do call bull **** on some level.

I know what its like to play baseball in college, take only 12 units, and work 8 hours a week at the desk of a gym. There would have been ABSOLUTELY ZERO chance for me to get another 5 semesters done in less than a school year....

KingPosey
06-24-2011, 03:38 AM
Jimmy Butler was a steal at 30 he's going to be a good role player...kinda like luol deng 2.0

maybe. I dont think guys that drop 17 to 20 a game, are efficient, play great D, and almost get traded for Kobe Bryant are found at 30 all too often.

DitchDat
06-24-2011, 03:39 AM
I like it very much for Detroit: Brandon Knight + Kyle Singler. Very nice, Detroit.

Kings Analyst
06-24-2011, 03:43 AM
Winners:
-Wizards
-Bobcats
-Jazz

Losers-
-Suns
-Lakers
-Indiana

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 03:48 AM
I am being dead serious.

Jimmermania will rock your socks off! :speechless:

The reason he will be a legit star in this league: hard work and dedication.

I like him as bench player, and a good one. Just don't see him being a star

AsfanSince99
06-24-2011, 03:51 AM
Definitely the 6ers had a poor draft.

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 03:53 AM
maybe. I dont think guys that drop 17 to 20 a game, are efficient, play great D, and almost get traded for Kobe Bryant are found at 30 all too often.

Kobe would only go to the bulls if Deng was not in the trade that brought him there, so this is a an invalid point. Regardless, he is not deng. If he can spell Deng for 5-8 minutes a game while being efficient though, I call this a success.

gaughan333
06-24-2011, 03:54 AM
I'm a fan of the wizards draft. I like jan vesley running with wall. This was the best they could do once Kanter was gone imo

Trace
06-24-2011, 03:56 AM
How is that even Possible when you pracice and workout 6 hours a day, miss several months during the season, and then right after the season you start traveling for workouts for the draft and meetings with teams?

Im not saying its exclusive to the school, but I do call bull **** on some level.

I know what its like to play baseball in college, take only 12 units, and work 8 hours a week at the desk of a gym. There would have been ABSOLUTELY ZERO chance for me to get another 5 semesters done in less than a school year....

He took AP courses in highschool. He didn't do it in one year.

Phenomenonsense
06-24-2011, 04:04 AM
How is that even Possible when you pracice and workout 6 hours a day, miss several months during the season, and then right after the season you start traveling for workouts for the draft and meetings with teams?

Im not saying its exclusive to the school, but I do call bull **** on some level.

I know what its like to play baseball in college, take only 12 units, and work 8 hours a week at the desk of a gym. There would have been ABSOLUTELY ZERO chance for me to get another 5 semesters done in less than a school year....

He apparently had like 50 credits before high school was over and he took a full load in college (18 credit hours per semester).

Lil Half Dead
06-24-2011, 04:52 AM
Winners
1. Jazz: Enes Kanter, Alec Burks. 2 Absolute Home Run Picks IMO.
2. Bobcats: Bismack Biyombo, Kemba Walker, Jeremy Tyler. Tyler was a steal, Walker's ready for the NBA and will immediately help the Cats, Biymobo should be a freak defensively.
3. Pistons: Brandon Knight, Kyle Singler, Vernon Macklin. Made the best value picks of anyone in the draft. Picked 3 players from big time, well coached schools, all NBA ready players who can step in and help that rebuild go a little smoother.

torontosports10
06-24-2011, 04:56 AM
The whole ****ing draft were losers. It was a terrible draft.

TylerSL
06-24-2011, 04:58 AM
tylersl how the hell are the bulls losers? Kyle Singler & Mack would have solved the bulls SG? are you kidding me? there was no one in this draft that would have solved the sg.

they would be better at SG than anybody the Bulls have now. I say this because the Bulls are not just going to be able to go out and sign somebody like Jason Richardson, JR Smith, or Michael Redd. I doubt the Bulls can get a SG in Free Agency because they have 15 million/year invested in Boozer, 12.8 million anually on Deng (for the rest of his contract), 12.1 million annually on Noah (starting next year). That is 39.9 million on those 3 alone. Rose is going to want to get paid at somepoint. Assuming he wants a good 14 million, that would put the Bulls at 53.9 million on those 4 players. Also, the new CBA might not have as high of a cap, Taj Gibson will also want a pay raise once his contract is up too. That is why I said the Bulls needed to get a scorer like Shelvin Mack in the draft because I dont know if they can get that person in Free Agency. Sure you could trade, lets just say you make a deal for OJ Mayo involving Deng. Then, you would have fixed the SG problem, but have a hole at SF with the same cap problem when he wants more money. So yes, I think Chicago should have got a scorer in this draft.

EDIT: I dont really mean "fix" the SG problem, but help it.

Knicks21
06-24-2011, 05:03 AM
they would be better at SG than anybody the Bulls have now. I say this because the Bulls are not just going to be able to go out and sign somebody like Jason Richardson, JR Smith, or Michael Redd. I doubt the Bulls can get a SG in Free Agency because they have 15 million/year invested in Boozer, 12.8 million anually on Deng (for the rest of his contract), 12.1 million annually on Noah (starting next year). That is 39.9 million on those 3 alone. Rose is going to want to get paid at somepoint. Assuming he wants a good 14 million, that would put the Bulls at 53.9 million on those 4 players. Also, the new CBA might not have as high of a cap, Taj Gibson will also want a pay raise once his contract is up too. That is why I said the Bulls needed to get a scorer like Shelvin Mack in the draft because I dont know if they can get that person in Free Agency. Sure you could trade, lets just say you make a deal for OJ Mayo involving Deng. Then, you would have fixed the SG problem, but have a hole at SF with the same cap problem when he wants more money. So yes, I think Chicago should have got a scorer in this draft.
Good Points :clap:

TrueFan420
06-24-2011, 05:08 AM
Winners
1. Jazz: Enes Kanter, Alec Burks. 2 Absolute Home Run Picks IMO.
2. Bobcats: Bismack Biyombo, Kemba Walker, Jeremy Tyler. Tyler was a steal, Walker's ready for the NBA and will immediately help the Cats, Biymobo should be a freak defensively.
3. Pistons: Brandon Knight, Kyle Singler, Vernon Macklin. Made the best value picks of anyone in the draft. Picked 3 players from big time, well coached schools, all NBA ready players who can step in and help that rebuild go a little smoother.

the warriors bought jeremy tyler from the bobcats

CityofChaos
06-24-2011, 05:31 AM
The majority of the 2011-12 NBA draftees= losers

I WIN.

:D

Lil Half Dead
06-24-2011, 05:46 AM
the warriors bought jeremy tyler from the bobcats

Well then I'd probably throw the Wizards with Vesely, Singleton and Mack in there over Charlotte. I didn't catch that trade.

Cubby
06-24-2011, 06:10 AM
Good Points :clap:

No, they aren't good points at all. They're all toolbag points. Deng for Mayo? Firstly, salaries don't match and second, it'd never happen. How can we not sign someone like JR Smith? Those contracts you mentioned don't need to be addressed until next season. Both of our picks were steals. Nobody in the spot we were in could fill a role nicely at SG. People say Brooks, but he doesn't play D. I loved our draft.

DamnGoat
06-24-2011, 06:12 AM
they would be better at SG than anybody the Bulls have now.
There's no way of really knowing this until you see them play in the NBA. This was a very weak draft class and especially weak at the SG position. The Bulls aren't in a position where they need to reach for an average SG that may or may not crack their rotation. They have plenty of assets to go out and make a trade after the CBA is resolved and chances are that player would be better than any SG taken in this draft.

I say this because the Bulls are not just going to be able to go out and sign somebody like Jason Richardson, JR Smith, or Michael Redd.
Richardson will probably re-sign with the Magic so I don't view him as much of an option anyway. Smith seems pretty realistic in a S&T scenario. Redd will be the cheapest option out there b/c he's been injured so much the last few years.

That is 39.9 million on those 3 alone. Rose is going to want to get paid at somepoint.
I can't imagine the new CBA taking away Bird Rights so keeping Rose around shouldn't be much of an issue.

That is why I said the Bulls needed to get a scorer like Shelvin Mack in the draft because I dont know if they can get that person in Free Agency.
See this is the problem, if you're expecting Shelvin Mack to be the answer then you're in big trouble. The Bulls had the 28th & 30th picks, the chances of them landing anyone great that can contribute right away were slim, but they did land a high upside player that fell b/c of his Euro contract (Mirotic) & a defensive minded wing that fits their style very well (Butler).

I really don't understand the complaints. This isn't a team that needs to be reaching for average SG's in a bad draft.

Sure you could trade, lets just say you make a deal for OJ Mayo involving Deng.
A Mayo trade could still be possible but there's no way it'd involve Deng. Hell, the Grizzlies were willing to part with him for Josh McRoberts & a 1st at the trade deadline but the paperwork wasn't filed in time.

The point is, there are still plenty of other options after the draft and going into the offseason with really just ONE hole to fill is a problem a lot of teams would like to have.

Law25
06-24-2011, 06:13 AM
Win -Lakers

Andrew Goudelock is possible the best shooter in the draft. He has unlimited range, the three point champ for college, if im correct he was an top five scorer last year, he's quick , hard to guard, and the only knock on him is he's not and pass first point, and he is only 6ft 2inc. Was he the best player no, but the Lakers drafted for what the needed and got an good player they needed. Of course i could just be an homer but check out his stats from last year - 23.7 points, 4.2 assists and shooting 82.1 percent from the line. If your no impressed check him out on youtube.

MalZee24
06-24-2011, 06:23 AM
All the guys on espn and van gundy, jon barry, and others picked the Kings as the top winner in the draft. I agree. Traded for Salmons, drafted Jimmer at 10, and got a steal in the 2nd round with Honeycutt. They also drafted Isaiah Thomas, the star from Washington late in the 2nd round. If that's not a hell of a draft day for the kings, i dont know what is.

Theres a reason why geoff petrie is considered to be one of the top GM's in the nba. Outstanding job.

alencp3
06-24-2011, 06:46 AM
Utah Jazz are the clear winners, they drafted Tim Duncan and Brandon Roy.

mark1125
06-24-2011, 07:37 AM
May as well be like half the posters in this thread:

Winner:
1) My team
2) Team in other conference
3) Team in other conference

Losers:
1) Conference rival #1
2) Conference rival #2
3) Minnesota because the guys on ESPN pissed on their moves.

wjmoffatt
06-24-2011, 07:37 AM
Winners
1.) Utah Jazz
2.) Utah Jazz
3.) Cavs
Can anyone honestly say now that they can match up with the bigs of the Utah Jazz? Millsap, Jefferson, Favors, and Kanter wow! They also filled a whole with a great SG Alex Burks. Now if they can only move Jefferson to Indy to acquire Granger.

Losers
1.) Lakers
2.) Lakers
3.) Lakers
Big Lakers fan, and seeing Boston trade up and get JaJuan Johnson, a guy i wanted, that's big problems. Also, Miami moved up in the draft to get a player they coveted. I Think Morris out of Michigan is one hell of a player and fills a hole but being stubborn and wanted JaJuan.

Mcdoh
06-24-2011, 07:58 AM
lets just w8 and see..then judge

stlbest5in2013
06-24-2011, 08:06 AM
i Know its opinionated, but you must be sore about the Knicks for some reason. They are not winners because they could have gotten a "best available" with singleton or Hamilton, however they are far from losers because they not only bought a pick at 45 in which they don't have any guaranteed money invested in with Harrelson, but they got pretty much what they were looking for in Shumpert. Yes I agree it was a bit of a reach but its exactly what they needed getting an almost 6'6 point guard who is an above average defender which the Knicks were extremely lacking. Plus he had a great workout with them.

yeah that pick cost you 750 g's, plus 25 g's just for him to tryout for the roster. the knicks invested money on that pick

stlbest5in2013
06-24-2011, 08:14 AM
He apparently had like 50 credits before high school was over and he took a full load in college (18 credit hours per semester).

we talking about $elby here?

yeah he did not graduate, kansas passes nobody legit. brady morningstar was a freshman for like 17 years at KU.

the morris twins mother got an 80k per yer job thanks to the KU athletic department. same kind of BS when they landed chalmers, and his father.

it does not matter though, however took selby and i dont give a flying ****. will see him out of the league in 3 years, or at best a 13th man.

bill self has produced nothing but nba garbage during his tenure at KU. the track record speaks for itself.

his motto is " come to ku, choke every year, get drafted, but before that i will ruin your future "

you can make a college all star roster with the kids self has put in the nba. but you cant put together a 3rd string, nba dleague team with those same players. its freaking sad and yet absolutely hilarious at the same time.

StuckeyFan313
06-24-2011, 08:26 AM
Pistons got Knight with the 8th pick. Win.

This.

We may stink at defense for one more season but we're heading in the right direction.

wjmoffatt
06-24-2011, 08:37 AM
lets just w8 and see..then judge

Can't wait; These past season frustrated me more than losing to Phoenix up 3-1 like 5 or 6 years back. I can't stand watching the chemistry we have right now, isn't fun basketball to watch to me.

CELTICS4LYFE
06-24-2011, 08:43 AM
Winners
1.) Utah Jazz
2.) Utah Jazz
3.) Cavs
Can anyone honestly say now that they can match up with the bigs of the Utah Jazz? Millsap, Jefferson, Favors, and Kanter wow! They also filled a whole with a great SG Alex Burks. Now if they can only move Jefferson to Indy to acquire Granger.

Losers
1.) Lakers
2.) Lakers
3.) Lakers
Big Lakers fan, and seeing Boston trade up and get JaJuan Johnson, a guy i wanted, that's big problems. Also, Miami moved up in the draft to get a player they coveted. I Think Morris out of Michigan is one hell of a player and fills a hole but being stubborn and wanted JaJuan.

We traded down n got Johnson....the player I wanted n I think He's exactly what we need.

wjmoffatt
06-24-2011, 08:48 AM
We traded down n got Johnson....the player I wanted n I think He's exactly what we need.

very true, just guessed didn't watch the draft, just reviewed it, can't stand to here the commentators.

allSUAVE
06-24-2011, 08:50 AM
IDKY People think Iman Shumpert was a bad pick at 17.

dude locked down everybody in the workouts literally

and!!!!!!!!!!!!! :36.5' vertical is highest since '07, #2 in bench presses, 42' max vertical is best results in last 7yrs, 1 inch behind Vince Carter

Lo Porto
06-24-2011, 09:05 AM
Winners:

Bobcats - they get a leader in Walker, a much needed scorer in Maggette and post defense in Biyombo

Wizards - Vesely, Singleton and Mack clearly address the needs in Washington.

Jazz - they get the best big man in the draft as well as a much needed penetrating guard

Mile High Champ
06-24-2011, 09:06 AM
I don't know how anyone can call any of the team losers yet. The players have not even played a single minute in the NBA. These kind of threads are beyond stupid this early.

3XDouble
06-24-2011, 09:29 AM
I don't know how anyone can call any of the team losers yet. The players have not even played a single minute in the NBA. These kind of threads are beyond stupid this early.

This is the most intelligent statement in this thread. It's pure entertainment to watch guys list the Cleveland and Minnesota as the biggest losers when they got the two guys who were widely considered to be the two best prospects by far. That's real genious.

I liked Washington's picks. Vesely could be a beast and fun to watch. Singleton was a great value and Shelvin Mack could be the Landry Fields of this year's draft. Hamilton at 26 looks good for Dallas.

Mile High Champ
06-24-2011, 09:31 AM
This is the most intelligent statement in this thread. It's pure entertainment to watch guys list the Cleveland and Minnesota as the biggest losers when they got the two guys who were widely considered to be the two best prospects by far. That's real genious.

I liked Washington's picks. Vesely could be a beast and fun to watch. Singleton was a great value and Shelvin Mack could be the Landry Fields of this year's draft. Hamilton at 26 looks good for Dallas.

Exactly it is fine for people to like a certain player and not like others but why are people calling players busts this early? With some of these players, you will not know a teams draft grade for another 3-5 years due to development and opportunity to play.

Shaolin
06-24-2011, 09:44 AM
This is the most intelligent statement in this thread. It's pure entertainment to watch guys list the Cleveland and Minnesota as the biggest losers when they got the two guys who were widely considered to be the two best prospects by far.

This.

The vast majority of these yahoos get their prospect analysis from Youtube, and think they can do a better job than 99% of the GM's out there. They expect instant gratification, instant superstars, and instant rings. Guess what - Miami just proved that this mindset doesn't necessarily win championships...core tandems like Terry and Nowitzki can take years to develop, and anybody who has ever worked a day in their life should realize that anything good in life requires a bit of time.

I'm a Toronto fan, and listened when BC said he got the best center prospect available - even if we'll have to wait to see him contribute in a big way. For those who don't want to listen to people with obviously more NBA managerial experience than themselves, you can always take heart in the fact that many superstars develop from late-round picks - but those discoveries obviously take time as well.

wjmoffatt
06-24-2011, 09:50 AM
Exactly it is fine for people to like a certain player and not like others but why are people calling players busts this early? With some of these players, you will not know a teams draft grade for another 3-5 years due to development and opportunity to play.

Yep. I remember being a Laker Fan everyone was saying WTF didn't they draft Gerald Green, his the high school player with all the talent. The Lakers are stupid on taking a 7' foot kid that didn't even play high school basketball, Andrew Bynum was a reach at #10.

KnicksR4Real
06-24-2011, 09:59 AM
knicks lose!

KnicksR4Real
06-24-2011, 10:00 AM
poll?

Slimsim
06-24-2011, 10:05 AM
IDKY People think Iman Shumpert was a bad pick at 17.

dude locked down everybody in the workouts literally

and!!!!!!!!!!!!! :36.5' vertical is highest since '07, #2 in bench presses, 42' max vertical is best results in last 7yrs, 1 inch behind Vince Carter

And he has a better offense game than people give him credit for I like the pick Get better on defense and have someone to guard to Roses Jrue collsons rondo in the east

Sportfan
06-24-2011, 10:15 AM
Biggest winners are the Nets without a doubt.

KingPosey
06-24-2011, 12:20 PM
He apparently had like 50 credits before high school was over and he took a full load in college (18 credit hours per semester).

That makes more sense actually, and some highschools will actually let you attend a college course at a JC.
But where I went to highschool we had to take too many prerequisites to have that much flexibility with our electives.

I still think that was one EXTREMELY busy kid.

KingPosey
06-24-2011, 12:31 PM
Bismack Biyombo is a bad pick imo, but the Bucks took a player that came into his own last year in Beno, so either way they made a positive move.

Beno will really bring some efficiency to that back court. And thank god too because that bust of a PG in Jennings is the most inefficient player ive seen in a while, Its Larry Hughes-esq.

I just think this years draft class is a big mystery, and we have no clue if a lot of these guys can really play.

KingPosey
06-24-2011, 12:34 PM
You know who I think might develop into a diamond in the rough? Justin Harper out of Richmond. He hasnt been drafted yet, but I think he can really help a team in search of a versatile big.

I dont think he will be a star, but he will help a team for sure.

kenzo400
06-24-2011, 02:15 PM
I think the warriors had a very quietly good draft. Klay Thompson will be a great compliment to Ellis off the bench. Jeremy Tyler was a projected lottery pick at one point in 2010, yes he has some issues, but the skill level of this kid is pretty dam good for 6"11.

I dont understand what the lakers did? They drafted a guy out of the d league who averaged .3 ppg and .7 rebounds. It had to be a joke... me and my friends that it was the funniest thing ever

Umm, he only played 3 games in the d league. They were obviously drafting on potential. It was a late pick so i'm sure they aren't keeping it.

jiggin
06-24-2011, 02:27 PM
:confused: you do realize pretty much everyone in this draft was a loser. this was a horrible draft and besides, what can you really do with the 28th and last pick of the 1st round?

quick short list of players drafted late...meaning, you never know when you will find that needle in a hay stack...:

Carlos Boozer, 2002, 34th pick

Gilbert Arenas, 2001, 30th pick

Rajon Rondo, 2006, 21st pick

Latrell Sprewell, 1992, 24th pick

Tony Parker, 2001, 28th pick

Sam Cassell, 1993, 24th pick

Manu Ginobili, 1999, 57th pick

Steve Nash, 1996, 15th pick

Kobe Bryant, 1996, 13th pick

last 2 are stretching it...but both those guys would be #1 if you look at what they have done, yet both went in the teens during draft day...

North Yorker
06-24-2011, 02:30 PM
Ric Bucher said Jonas Valanicunas was the steal of the draft and that had there been no buyout concerns he would've gone #1.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/38991

titansboy
06-24-2011, 02:42 PM
winners
1.Wizards
2.Warriors
3.Blazers

Losers
1.LAKERS
2.Heat
3.Spurs

Older teams didnt add too much youth in L.a. / S.a. but we still have free agency. But for now those are my winners an loser loved wiz an gsw draft an da move portland made for raymond felton gettin younger at da pg spot, they will be able to run with him an wes matthews and g.wallace.

WolvesJagsOs
06-24-2011, 02:47 PM
Not sure why everyone said the Wolves were losers. I have to imagine we end up dealing Beasley, but Dwill is a nice talent, i have no problem keeping him.

jiggin
06-24-2011, 04:08 PM
Blazers were losers in this draft. Could have got more for Miller/Fernandez and later picks...instead walk away with a younger Miller and a player in Nolan Smith who appears to have been overdrafted on the strength of his four-year career with the Blue Devils. Smith's projection of 0.1 WARP was the lowest of any first-round pick, a full 1.1 pWARP below what would be expected with the 21st pick. Making matters worse for the Portland Trail Blazers, Faried and Jackson, two of the draft's better values, went off the board during the following three picks.

SIGH...

I miss KP being at the helm.

AddiX
06-24-2011, 04:14 PM
Not sure why everyone said the Wolves were losers. I have to imagine we end up dealing Beasley, but Dwill is a nice talent, i have no problem keeping him.

Beasley is and will be as good as d will if not better.

I dont think you had a terrible draft, but I really thought you guys were going to use this time to add vets.

NBA_Starter
06-24-2011, 04:16 PM
Loving all of the Bobcats love, it's about time we did something right in a Draft.

nimazahir
06-24-2011, 04:17 PM
winners
1.Wizards-vesley, singleton, mack
2.Pistons-knight at 8, singler(i think)
3.Bobcats-biyambo and kemba

Losers
1.Cavs-thompson at 4, were they high. idk if irving will be good or not
2.Knicks-didnt trade up for biyambo and didnt pick singleton when he was available
3.pacers, idk really?-they did give away kawhi

SpeeMN
06-24-2011, 04:50 PM
Beasley is and will be as good as d will if not better.

I dont think you had a terrible draft, but I really thought you guys were going to use this time to add vets.

A couple days before the draft the Twolves season ticket holders were invited to workouts and talk with management. Our management LITERALLY STATED that they wanted Derrick Williams and Malcolm Lee plus a veteran to help the team grow. We did EXACTLY what we wanted to do, we even found value for Flynn. Now we have Memphis' 2013 1st round pick, an experienced journeyman in Brad Miller, and we added depth to our International stockpiling of talent. Everything went well. Now Beasley can be our 6th man and KILL the opposition, no more worries about his defense. Wes Johnson has been training with Kobe Bryant all summer. This draft was as good as it gets for the Twolves. We executed our plan perfectly. And we still have Massive amounts of assets to make trades.

Lake_Show2416
06-24-2011, 05:14 PM
i think Lakers r winners, nabbing the only true PG aside from Irving in this draft & then getting a crazy sharp shooter with our 2nd selection, we covered 2 big needs with Darius Morris & Andrew Goudelock. i was very pleased with draft day

krisxsong
06-24-2011, 05:31 PM
i think Lakers r winners, nabbing the only true PG aside from Irving in this draft & then getting a crazy sharp shooter with our 2nd selection, we covered 2 big needs with Darius Morris & Andrew Goudelock. i was very pleased with draft day

Hm. I have a hard time believing either player will make an impact.

Goldilocks obviously has very very good range, but that's about it. Can he create separation? Can he handle the ball? Can he put the ball on the floor? Does he get tunnel vision?

Lake_Show2416
06-24-2011, 05:41 PM
Hm. I have a hard time believing either player will make an impact.

Goldilocks obviously has very very good range, but that's about it. Can he create separation? Can he handle the ball? Can he put the ball on the floor? Does he get tunnel vision?

whether he can or cant, it doesn't matter, all he needs to do is make the open looks, anything more is just a bonus, he doesn't need to turn into something he's not, i wasn't trying to say that these guys r savors but very good picks from where the picks were made & it helps our team needs as well

Trace
06-24-2011, 06:08 PM
we talking about $elby here?

yeah he did not graduate, kansas passes nobody legit. brady morningstar was a freshman for like 17 years at KU.

the morris twins mother got an 80k per yer job thanks to the KU athletic department. same kind of BS when they landed chalmers, and his father.

it does not matter though, however took selby and i dont give a flying ****. will see him out of the league in 3 years, or at best a 13th man.

bill self has produced nothing but nba garbage during his tenure at KU. the track record speaks for itself.

his motto is " come to ku, choke every year, get drafted, but before that i will ruin your future "

you can make a college all star roster with the kids self has put in the nba. but you cant put together a 3rd string, nba dleague team with those same players. its freaking sad and yet absolutely hilarious at the same time.

we're talking about Knight...

allSUAVE
06-24-2011, 06:18 PM
winners
1.Wizards-vesley, singleton, mack
2.Pistons-knight at 8, singler(i think)
3.Bobcats-biyambo and kemba

Losers
1.Cavs-thompson at 4, were they high. idk if irving will be good or not
2.Knicks-didnt trade up for biyambo and didnt pick singleton when he was available
3.pacers, idk really?-they did give away kawhi

iman had the best combine results and he had the best 2 workouts shutting down Jimmer, brooks and reggie jackson ..im more than happy with the pick

Iman is to defend guys like D.Rose and etc

JerseysFinest
06-24-2011, 06:20 PM
IDKY People think Iman Shumpert was a bad pick at 17.

dude locked down everybody in the workouts literally

and!!!!!!!!!!!!! :36.5' vertical is highest since '07, #2 in bench presses, 42' max vertical is best results in last 7yrs, 1 inch behind Vince Carter

That's all he has though, he is what some consider to be "a workout wonder". He impressed teams with his athleticism, vert, and strength, but he has low BBIQ and he isn't good at creating plays for his teammates. Media pundits believed choosing Chris Singleton or Kenneth Faried, guys who fill needs for the team, would have been better than Iman.

allSUAVE
06-24-2011, 06:23 PM
That's all he has though, he is what some consider to be "a workout wonder". He impressed teams with his athleticism, vert, and strength, but he has low BBIQ and he isn't good at creating plays for his teammates. Media pundits believed choosing Chris Singleton or Kenneth Faried, guys who fill needs for the team, would have been better than Iman.

Faried would not help us..we need a true center.

these so called experts has been wrong so much times it's a joke they know nothing.

singleton plays the same position as Melo.

JerseysFinest
06-24-2011, 06:29 PM
Faried would not help us..we need a true center.

these so called experts has been wrong so much times it's a joke they know nothing.

singleton plays the same position as Melo.

Aren't the Knicks two biggest needs defense and rebounding? Faried is one of the best rebounding bigs in the country, sure he isn't a true center, but he is mainly a 4. Singleton was one of the best defenders in the entire class, making the all-defensive teams the past two years at FSU. He has the ability to guard more than two positions on the court, making him very versatile.

AddiX
06-24-2011, 06:29 PM
A couple days before the draft the Twolves season ticket holders were invited to workouts and talk with management. Our management LITERALLY STATED that they wanted Derrick Williams and Malcolm Lee plus a veteran to help the team grow. We did EXACTLY what we wanted to do, we even found value for Flynn. Now we have Memphis' 2013 1st round pick, an experienced journeyman in Brad Miller, and we added depth to our International stockpiling of talent. Everything went well. Now Beasley can be our 6th man and KILL the opposition, no more worries about his defense. Wes Johnson has been training with Kobe Bryant all summer. This draft was as good as it gets for the Twolves. We executed our plan perfectly. And we still have Massive amounts of assets to make trades.

Don't get so defensive, like I said, I didn't say you had a bad draft.

And saying you did exactly what you wanted to do means nothing. Your franchise and fans have been saying it for years.

And I'll still think you should of added some vets. You have an extremely low basketball iq team that is very immature, and no clue who your coach is. That the kind of situation that can turn ugly quick.

cwilson21
06-24-2011, 06:34 PM
Don't get so defensive, like I said, I didn't say you had a bad draft.

And saying you did exactly what you wanted to do means nothing. Your franchise and fans have been saying it for years.

And I'll still think you should of added some vets. You have an extremely low basketball iq team that is very immature, and no clue who your coach is. That the kind of situation that can turn ugly quick.

Really? You could say Beasley is the only definitive one that has low iq (and Randolph somewhat) but that is a horrible rationale otherwise.

AddiX
06-24-2011, 08:11 PM
Really? You could say Beasley is the only definitive one that has low iq (and Randolph somewhat) but that is a horrible rationale otherwise.

The entire team is being handed over to a bunch of players who have never won on the nba level, and you dont even know who the coach is. So yes, I would consider Minny an extremely immature, low basketball IQ team.

I saw them lose a lot of games late last year. That's what happens when you have the talent but not the brains.

KingPosey
06-25-2011, 02:28 AM
Ric Bucher said Jonas Valanicunas was the steal of the draft and that had there been no buyout concerns he would've gone #1.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/38991

He went Number 5, and was hardly talked about anywhere. I never even heard rumblings of him going above where he was drafted.

KingPosey
06-25-2011, 02:30 AM
Ill tell you who lost, the T Wolves, and it wazsnt from this years draft. They finally signed a deal with the most overrated player of the last 10 years in Rubio. That kid is going to dissapoint HARD.

KingPosey
06-25-2011, 02:32 AM
i think Lakers r winners, nabbing the only true PG aside from Irving in this draft & then getting a crazy sharp shooter with our 2nd selection, we covered 2 big needs with Darius Morris & Andrew Goudelock. i was very pleased with draft day

I dont know how much they could have "won". 2 second round picks, one being late as it gets. I dont know how much they will affect the franchise's future in any way.

History will tell you the chances are suuuper slim. I dont know if they even had a chance to be considered "winners" with those picks in this draft.

KingPosey
06-25-2011, 02:36 AM
Kobe would only go to the bulls if Deng was not in the trade that brought him there, so this is a an invalid point. Regardless, he is not deng. If he can spell Deng for 5-8 minutes a game while being efficient though, I call this a success.

I know the story guy. The Lakers would have traded Kobe for Deng, Kobe wanted Deng on his team if he went. That doesnt nullify the fact he was going to be traded for Kobe. "this is an invalid point", Shut up.

MGB
06-25-2011, 03:55 AM
Winners
1. Bobcats
2. Cavs
3. Blazers

Losers
1. Thunder
2. Bulls
3. T-Wolves

Dude, the Bulls got a top 10 talent with the 23rd pick, which was acquired for the 28th pick and a 2nd that came free w/ Boozer. The only thing I can take from this is that you lack the foresight to see that taking Mirotic could be a brilliant move. The Bulls don't have the roster space to accomodate a young guy (like Brooks) who probably won't see the floor much for a couple years. Mirotic gives them the 2nd best euro prospect in the draft; sure he won't be here for 2-3 years, but he's also not being paid by the Bulls until then either. This way, he'll be developed and ready to contribute when he gets to the states.

As far as the Bobcats, I just don't get the love for their draft. They trade away Felton to commit to Augustine, now they draft Kemba (who I like, just not for them). Then they take an "18 year old" prospect (probably more like 25-30) who is a 1 trick pony. Why stockpile lotto picks in a crappy draft? Sure they get rid of SJax's crappy contract, but in doing so they take on an even worse contract in Maggette.