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HeatFan2011
06-09-2011, 07:32 PM
With Mario Chalmers, Dwyane Wade, King James, Chris Bosh, and Udonis Haslem I dont think there's been a defense as tough and versatile before.

I only am reminded of the pistons in 2004-2005 but that team was great because of the best defensive player ever in Ben Wallace.

I think Im gonna have to agree with skip Bayless for once and say this Miami Heat defense is the best ever.

justinnum1
06-09-2011, 07:35 PM
let me see them shut down dallas tonight then we can talk

Darrell Russell
06-09-2011, 07:36 PM
I would have to agree, especially since players now are such athletic and have so many skills. Plus with the restrictive rules, it's tougher to play defense and the heat mastered it.

Voodoo Alchemy
06-09-2011, 07:37 PM
better than the spurs that won 4 titles? im talking about total team defense, not individual achievements

m26555
06-09-2011, 07:37 PM
:laugh:

Voodoo Alchemy
06-09-2011, 07:38 PM
I would have to agree, especially since players now are such athletic and have so many skills. Plus with the restrictive rules, it's tougher to play defense and the heat mastered it.

if they mastered defense, how come dirk is finishing off games? i don't see lebron shutting down dirk.

YEDN90
06-09-2011, 07:41 PM
No chance. I liked the '65-'66 Celtics team.

redsox0717
06-09-2011, 07:41 PM
no.

Hawkeye15
06-09-2011, 07:41 PM
no.

Reversed86Curse
06-09-2011, 07:41 PM
Their D is good, but not the best ever. Not even close to the best of the last 10 yrs

Darrell Russell
06-09-2011, 07:42 PM
if they mastered defense, how come dirk is finishing off games? i don't see lebron shutting down dirk.

They are also holding dirk to 42% shooting and holding the mavs to 13 ppg less than they have averaged in the playoffs. Dirk sure didn't finish off the game where he missed the shot to tie it, now did he?

hugepatsfan
06-09-2011, 07:43 PM
lmao

MTar786
06-09-2011, 07:43 PM
LOL this is saddening to hear. they're not even top 5 in defense imo. but theyre def the best when it comes to transition OFFENSE. if they get a steal YOU ARE GOING TO PAY. that has nothing to do with how great they are on defense ive seen many teams that had way better defenses. 08 celtics, 04 pistons, 05 pistons, 07 spurs, 03 spurs, 05 spurs. Thats just in the 2000's.
btw when did ben wallace become the best def player ever??
id take hakeem, mutombo, zo, over him. and thats just centers.

cambovenzi
06-09-2011, 07:43 PM
:laugh2:


Im not so sure its even better than the Mavs lol.

HeatFan2011
06-09-2011, 07:43 PM
if they mastered defense, how come dirk is finishing off games? i don't see lebron shutting down dirk.

Well the reason we havent finished off games is because we arent playing offense to our capability in the 4th quarter. Has nothing to do with our defense. We had alot of turnovers in the 4th in game 4.

GeekInThePink
06-09-2011, 07:45 PM
I think Chicago's was better this year, so in the league? no.

Moe Bigsley
06-09-2011, 07:45 PM
wow....absolutely not :facepalm:

HeatFan2011
06-09-2011, 07:46 PM
LOL this is saddening to hear. they're not even top 5 in defense imo. but theyre def the best when it comes to transition OFFENSE. if they get a steal YOU ARE GOING TO PAY. that has nothing to do with how great they are on defense ive seen many teams that had way better defenses. 08 celtics, 04 pistons, 05 pistons, 07 spurs, 03 spurs, 05 spurs. Thats just in the 2000's.
btw when did ben wallace become the best def player ever??
id take hakeem, mutombo, zo, over him. and thats just centers.

All the teams you mentioned were anchored by dominant defensive players in the paint. We have to function as a TEAM. We cant rely on gambling defensive plays because we dont have a dominant shotblocker in the paint.

Darrell Russell
06-09-2011, 07:47 PM
:laugh2:


Im not so sure its even better than the Mavs lol.

That just sounds dumb

jp611
06-09-2011, 07:47 PM
The bulls defense in the 90s was suffocating, they once held a team to 54 points in a finals game

bears88
06-09-2011, 07:49 PM
:laugh:

This.

Darrell Russell
06-09-2011, 07:52 PM
The bulls defense in the 90s was suffocating, they once held a team to 54 points in a finals game

No the nba was just so watered down at that point, the jazz weren't a good team and only had old stockton and old malone. Look at that roster and see how terrible it is.

DarKRaidEr3
06-09-2011, 07:53 PM
:laugh:

+1

HeatFan2011
06-09-2011, 07:54 PM
The bulls defense in the 90s was suffocating, they once held a team to 54 points in a finals game

Are you talking about a defense that was anchored by rodman? Again, this allows alot of gambling on the perimeter

koetravis
06-09-2011, 07:56 PM
They are also holding dirk to 42% shooting and holding the mavs to 13 ppg less than they have averaged in the playoffs. Dirk sure didn't finish off the game where he missed the shot to tie it, now did he?

what about the other 2 games where he did win it?

effen5
06-09-2011, 07:57 PM
I think Chicago's was better this year, so in the league? no.

this

Darrell Russell
06-09-2011, 07:59 PM
what about the other 2 games where he did win it?

reread the posts and see why your question is completely irrelevant.

jp611
06-09-2011, 08:00 PM
No the nba was just so watered down at that point, the jazz weren't a good team and only had old stockton and old malone. Look at that roster and see how terrible it is.

:laugh:

tr4shb0t
06-09-2011, 08:05 PM
Have you watched college ball? The best defenders are the teams with size, especially length. Basically everything else about defense is something ANYONE can do. It's not like some rare skill. You notice how everyone in college ball plays defense and seemingly no one plays defense in the nba. It's not because they don't know how to play defense it's because that's how the league wants the game to be played. However, superstars are allowed to play defense. Pretty much around the intensity that you see in college ball. Since the Heat have 3 of them I think that's why they have seemingly good "defense."

Scarified
06-09-2011, 08:05 PM
No the nba was just so watered down at that point, the jazz weren't a good team and only had old stockton and old malone. Look at that roster and see how terrible it is.

Congrats, this is the dumbest post to have ever graced the NBA forum. And that my friend, is saying A LOT! :clap::clap::clap:

downsos
06-09-2011, 08:06 PM
lmao

Darrell Russell
06-09-2011, 08:06 PM
:laugh:

So the nba wasn't watered down during the expansion era? Really? That is what you are saying right now? You do realize what expansion does to a league, correct?

cammo17
06-09-2011, 08:06 PM
No, and it's not even close.

mttwlsn16
06-09-2011, 08:06 PM
:laugh2:


Im not so sure its even better than the Mavs lol.

this

Darrell Russell
06-09-2011, 08:07 PM
Congrats, this is the dumbest post to have ever graced the NBA forum. And that my friend, is saying A LOT! :clap::clap::clap:

So the nba wasn't watered down during the expansion era? Really? That is what you are saying right now? You do realize what expansion does to a league, correct?

PlezPlayDKnicks
06-09-2011, 08:07 PM
Wow.. I guess u weren't a Heat fan back in the day... The Knicks, Bulls, Heat, and Pacers, and bad boy Pistons played hard core physical no lay up rule defense.

jp611
06-09-2011, 08:08 PM
So the nba wasn't watered down during the expansion era? Really? That is what you are saying right now? You do realize what expansion does to a league, correct?

:laugh:

NBA was at it's best than, clown

knickfan4life
06-09-2011, 08:08 PM
nah man... u guys r overrating this defense a lottttt.... they havent been thrown a big offensive bigman YET... shaq in his prime would foul out the entire miami team in the first quarter... it would be a nightmare...

tim duncan... david robinson.. sean elliot... bruce bowen... avery johnson... mario elie... in my opinion the best defensive team in NBA history... had every position ON LOCK individually and as a team...

SteBO
06-09-2011, 08:09 PM
Nah not the best. 90s Bulls? Detroit "bad boys" Pistons? Those are some of the best defenses.

northsider
06-09-2011, 08:09 PM
Good Heat fans I present to you Exhibit A.

Super.
06-09-2011, 08:10 PM
:laugh:

Oh heat fans

Darrell Russell
06-09-2011, 08:12 PM
:laugh:

NBA was at it's best than, clown

Can you back that up? Do you know what expansion does to a league? Answer that please

Il Mago50
06-09-2011, 08:15 PM
Let's see this "greatest defense ever" win the title first and then they can join the conversation. I hate this ******** about being the greatest player, team, defense, etc. WHEN YOU'VE YET TO EVEN PROVE YOU DESERVE TO BE IN THE CONVERSATION.. Win the ring first Miami before you can talk about this kind of b.s.

Everyone is too quick to forget the Rip-Billups-Wallace's-Tayshawn-Williamson-etc. Pistons and the Celtics era so far which has been the best defense to date. Hell, even the Chicago defense is better IMO then the Heat defense and had they had a scorer or two more, it would've carried them to the finals.

conway429
06-09-2011, 08:17 PM
All the teams you mentioned were anchored by dominant defensive players in the paint. We have to function as a TEAM. We cant rely on gambling defensive plays because we dont have a dominant shotblocker in the paint.

I would think the "best defense in NBA history" would have a dominant player in the paint.

The Heat aren't the best D in the league right now, so not even close to being the best ever. Pistons D was way better. I think you might be a little biased.

kobesworld
06-09-2011, 08:19 PM
There should be an age requirement to post here...

tied 2-2, struggled all season all long... best defense ever? Skip Bayless? What the hell happened to this site

llemon
06-09-2011, 08:20 PM
'88-'89 Pistons

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-09-2011, 08:20 PM
No. They weren't even better than the Bulls and Celtics this year which were in their same conference.

smiddy012
06-09-2011, 08:21 PM
Lol what a joke.

Il Mago50
06-09-2011, 08:21 PM
Also can we please stop calling Lebron "King" until he at least gets a ring first?

HeatFan2011
06-09-2011, 08:22 PM
No. They weren't even better than the Bulls and Celtics this year which were in their same conference.

we shut down both teams already

Il Mago50
06-09-2011, 08:23 PM
Good point about the inside presence too, they have one decent shot blocker in Joel Anthony vs. Asik-Noah-Boozer-Taj interior for the Bulls, this thread is just silly

justinnum1
06-09-2011, 08:23 PM
we shut down both teams already

:nod: lebron was shutting down whoever he was on.

northsider
06-09-2011, 08:24 PM
we shut down both teams already

Anndd that makes you the best defense cause????

HeatFan2011
06-09-2011, 08:24 PM
Also can we please stop calling Lebron "King" until he at least gets a ring first?

no, he's already King of the NBA

--23--
06-09-2011, 08:25 PM
No

D-Leethal
06-09-2011, 08:25 PM
If Wades D was as good as MJ, Lebrons as Pippen, and Bosh as Rodman than it would be possible

HeatFan2011
06-09-2011, 08:26 PM
Anndd that makes you the best defense cause????

we outplayed them on defense

Il Mago50
06-09-2011, 08:26 PM
we shut down both teams already

What's your definition of shut down?

You have two of the three best players in the league so obviously chances are you are going to score more points then them. Just because you beat the Bulls and Celtics doesn't mean that you had a better defense, it means you had a better offense which you did.

The fact that the Bulls almost won game 2,4 and 5 with Derrick Rose scoring 118 points on 120 shots in the series and basically no consistent scoring besides Deng showed that they managed to somehow score on your "best defense ever" while keeping your hall of famers in check enough to give themselves a shot at the end of games.

TO to the CHI
06-09-2011, 08:26 PM
we shut down both teams already

What does that have to do with the discussion? The question is the best defense ever. The Celtics and Bulls both had offenses that had significant flaws. The Heat did an incredible job defending them and I am not taking credit away from the Heat, but beating the Celts and Bulls doesn't prove the best defense. At all.

This thread is asinine. The Heat this year aren't in the top-5 defenses of all time. Ben Wallace is not close to the best defensive player ever. Rodman was great defensively, but was not some sort of unfair advantage in this analysis.

I can't even fault the Heat fans generally for this. It's just two ridiculous Heat fans who joined the site this week.

jp611
06-09-2011, 08:28 PM
LOL... They're the best defense cuz they shut down 2 mediocre offenses in Boston and Chicago... good try

1-800-STFU
06-09-2011, 08:29 PM
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Il Mago50
06-09-2011, 08:29 PM
no, he's already King of the NBA

He's the self-pronounced King coming into the league and the nicname stuck.

To trully be the King of the NBA, you have to be on top.

The NBA had 4 true alphadog kings: MJ, Magic, Bird and Russell

6, 5, 4 and 11-12 championships. Those are Kings of the NBA.

Lebron is Prince Lebron, waiting in the wings to take the throne but until he wins a title, he remains a PRINCE. Kobe, with 5 or 2 as an alphadog, is the King of the league until someone takes the torch.

kobesworld
06-09-2011, 08:29 PM
it isnt curfew yet so they are both still awake... close this thread

the thought of Udonis Haslem being considered on a team that could be considered the "best defensive team ever" makes me sick. Go off troll

MTar786
06-09-2011, 08:30 PM
Are you talking about a defense that was anchored by rodman? Again, this allows alot of gambling on the perimeter

:confused: 'anchored'????? rodman was 6'7 and he wasnt even a shot blocker. he was a great rebounder and an on ball defender. thats all. you need to learn about history

SteBO
06-09-2011, 08:30 PM
LOL... They're the best defense cuz they shut down 2 mediocre offenses in Boston and Chicago... good try
Actually Boston was one of the offensively efficient teams in the league, but it went downhill for them when Rondo hurt himself so I see your point. Miami's defense has been outstanding this postseason, but it's far from the best.

jbeezy
06-09-2011, 08:30 PM
:laugh2:

jp611
06-09-2011, 08:31 PM
Don't get me wrong SteBO... Miami has a great defense this year, I just find it laughable to call it the best ever

HeatFan2011
06-09-2011, 08:32 PM
He's the self-pronounced King coming into the league and the nicname stuck.

To trully be the King of the NBA, you have to be on top.

The NBA had 4 true alphadog kings: MJ, Magic, Bird and Russell

6, 5, 4 and 11-12 championships. Those are Kings of the NBA.

Lebron is Prince Lebron, waiting in the wings to take the throne but until he wins a title, he remains a PRINCE. Kobe, with 5 or 2 as an alphadog, is the King of the league until someone takes the torch.

King James didnt pronounce himself as King. THe NBA media did. All the players u mentioned played with multiple HOF players and didnt win until they had them on their team. But now that Lebron wants to play with other stars its a huge problem. Hypocrites.

SteBO
06-09-2011, 08:33 PM
Don't get me wrong SteBO... Miami has a great defense this year, I just find it laughable to call it the best ever
Agreed. It isn't the best ever, not even close. Again, the 90s Bulls and the Detroit Pistons of that era were two of the best ever. Miami isn't close to that level defense.

jp611
06-09-2011, 08:34 PM
King James didnt pronounce himself as King. THe NBA media did. All the players u mentioned played with multiple HOF players and didnt win until they had them on their team. But now that Lebron wants to play with other stars its a huge problem. Hypocrites.

Actually they didnt, he's the self-proclaimed King

HeatFan2011
06-09-2011, 08:34 PM
:confused: 'anchored'????? rodman was 6'7 and he wasnt even a shot blocker. he was a great rebounder and an on ball defender. thats all. you need to learn about history

Rodman was a 2X DPOY

He plays PF. He anchored the defense because people were afraid to come into the paint when he was there.

northsider
06-09-2011, 08:35 PM
King James didnt pronounce himself as King. THe NBA media did. All the players u mentioned played with multiple HOF players and didnt win until they had them on their team. But now that Lebron wants to play with other stars its a huge problem. Hypocrites.

This is when the thread goes wrong.

As if it wasn't dumb from the get go.

HeatFan2011
06-09-2011, 08:36 PM
Actually they didnt, he's the self-proclaimed King

No, it was the NBA media. He was being treated as the NBA savior since his Junior year in highschool.

3Blueforyou
06-09-2011, 08:36 PM
no, he's already King of the NBA

NBAFANSINCE2011

there I fixed your name.

northsider
06-09-2011, 08:37 PM
Rodman was a 2X DPOY

He plays PF. He anchored the defense because people were afraid to come into the paint when he was there.

Oh so when you have a great defensive player on your team it means you are automatically discredited from being considered a great defense.

hahahah do you even read what you are posting. You aren't helping your fellow Heat fan who get criticized for all the homer bandwagon guys who jump on here.

jp611
06-09-2011, 08:38 PM
No, thats where you're wrong, he started calling himself King James in high school

jp611
06-09-2011, 08:38 PM
Jordan, Pippen, Rodman are some of the best defenders of all time :laugh:

Il Mago50
06-09-2011, 08:39 PM
Who here thinks Wade is a better defender overall then Lebron sans the chasedown blocks of Lebron?

Sadds The Gr8
06-09-2011, 08:39 PM
:facepalm:

northsider
06-09-2011, 08:40 PM
No, it was the NBA media. He was being treated as the NBA savior since his Junior year in highschool.

He had the nickname in high school.

justinnum1
06-09-2011, 08:41 PM
Who here thinks Wade is a better defender overall then Lebron sans the chasedown blocks of Lebron?

They are very close, lebrons size and speed and instincts make him a top 3 perimeter defender, wade can also lock his guy down when he wants, but he takes some plays off(although he did a great job vs. allen in rd.2). Miami has the best perimeter defense in the league.

Raidaz4Life
06-09-2011, 08:41 PM
With Mario Chalmers, Dwyane Wade, King James, Chris Bosh, and Udonis Haslem I dont think there's been a defense as tough and versatile before.

I only am reminded of the pistons in 2004-2005 but that team was great because of the best defensive player ever in Ben Wallace.

I think Im gonna have to agree with skip Bayless for once and say this Miami Heat defense is the best ever.

There are so many things wrong with this post that I wouldn't even know where to begin...

Il Mago50
06-09-2011, 08:45 PM
No, thats where you're wrong, he started calling himself King James in high school
Exactly. If you had been following the league at that time more closely, maybe you would've known that. Who else have you ever seen wearing an "MVP" t-shirt before? I was a huge fan of the guy up until he left his legacy in the dust and I can tell you that King James was a nicname he had long before the media took it on and if I'm not mistaken, he has it tattoed on his body too.


King James didnt pronounce himself as King. THe NBA media did. All the players u mentioned played with multiple HOF players and didnt win until they had them on their team. But now that Lebron wants to play with other stars its a huge problem. Hypocrites.

First of all, Jordan, Bird and all those other stars didn't join up with players that were all-stars and hall of famers. They joined good young players that developed into those stars. There is a big difference between being one of the all-time greats and having a great team eventually form around you via giving up pieces in trades and drafting and developing and signing up with top tier NBA players to form a super team.

A big difference.

Il Mago50
06-09-2011, 08:47 PM
Let's see if the Prince comes out to play tonight.

Il Mago50
06-09-2011, 08:49 PM
I'm expecting a massive game from him. If he chokes again and deferes, Pippen and all of these ESPN writers and their "We've found the new Michael Jordan" need to disappear for a while.

There will not be another MJ in this league until MJ passes away, gets reborn, grows up and dominates the league with the 2190-2191 Chicago Cyberbulls

knickfan33
06-09-2011, 08:50 PM
not even close.

northsider
06-09-2011, 08:51 PM
This isn't a thread to talk about Lebron or the game tonight. Not trying to be a dick but, that is why these threads always blow ***.

Heat have a great def. but, in history I can say without hesitation they are not the best.

Mc Lovin
06-09-2011, 08:56 PM
LMFAO. Not even the best in the NBA now never mind NBA history.

Ponch
06-09-2011, 08:59 PM
rodman was a 2x dpoy

he plays pf. He anchored the defense because people were afraid to come into the paint when he was there.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Fnom11
06-09-2011, 09:00 PM
They're a solid center away from being one of the best. But they have nothing on the 04-05 Pistons. Those guys were redonkulus

Il Mago50
06-09-2011, 09:00 PM
My fault for turning it into a Lebron thread, just didn't like him being referred to as King James at the start.

From a defensive perspective, there is no way they are better defensively then the Celtics when they were first assembled, the Celtics and Bulls this season, the Pistons dynasty of the past decade, and that's just looking at the recent great defenses.

LakersMaster24
06-09-2011, 09:01 PM
The name of the OP says it all. Heatfan2011. He has some fetish for LBJ, and is making ridiculous claims about the Heat just like most Heat fans that didnt even start watching basketball until the summer of 2010.

If you just bring up just the 04 Pistons, and use that as your back up argument, then you really must study the game. The Celtics lead by Bill Russell in the 60's where great. The 95 Bulls were amazing on defense. The 2008 Celtics lead by Kevin Garnett were killing my Lakers (Celtics also had other great defensive players such as Allen, Posey, Tony Allen, and Perkins)

So please go back, open up a NBA website and read read read.

Mc Lovin
06-09-2011, 09:01 PM
So the nba wasn't watered down during the expansion era? Really? That is what you are saying right now? You do realize what expansion does to a league, correct?

The NBA was stacked then. 10 times more stacked than it is now. Look at just the dominant big men of that era alone. Never mind Jordan, Pippen, Bird, Wilkins, Thomas, Payton, Stockton, Barkley, Magic, Worthy, Mullin, Miller, McHale and so many more. Watered down. That was probably the most talented era in NBA history.

PlezPlayDKnicks
06-09-2011, 09:03 PM
Every year there is a new dnewguy...

LakersMaster24
06-09-2011, 09:04 PM
Every year there is a new dnewguy...

:laugh:

Knicks21
06-09-2011, 09:04 PM
no.

jp611
06-09-2011, 09:04 PM
Look at the thread his 12 year old friend opened now

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=625401

:laugh2:

Il Mago50
06-09-2011, 09:05 PM
They don't have a big guy that takes up the lane. The Pistons had two of them in the starting line-up who could block shots, rebound, and man-defend.

The Pistons stopped Shaq in the paint in the finals compared to what he did to other teams. Realistically, who here thinks that the 04-05 Shaq would've struggled somewhat against Bosh, Anthony, McGloire, and Big Z. I don't.

Perimeter wise, the Heat have Mike Bibby, Mike Miller, and James Jones who are below or average defenders although Jones hasn't played in the Finals. They do have Lebron and Wade but Wade doesn't play his hard defense consistently and neither are shut down defenders. Chalmers is a good defender but far from a shut-down one.

The Pistons had Rip, Chauncey, Lyndsey Hunter, Prince, and others that were all excellent defenders on the perimeter and prevented a large quantity of penetration into the lane in their hayday.

The Heat have nothing on the Pistons in their prime. Don't get me started on the other teams.

Darrell Russell
06-09-2011, 09:07 PM
The NBA was stacked then. 10 times more stacked than it is now. Look at just the dominant big men of that era alone. Never mind Jordan, Pippen, Bird, Wilkins, Thomas, Payton, Stockton, Barkley, Magic, Worthy, Mullin, Miller, McHale and so many more. Watered down. That was probably the most talented era in NBA history.

Bird was 80's,wilkins was 80's(his prime really), isiah was 80's, payton was great, stockton was great, barkley was great, magic was 80's, worthy was 80's, mullin was great then but would have been good today, certainly not putting up those numbers, reggie was a jumpshooter and thats it, mchale was 80's.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-09-2011, 09:09 PM
The name of the OP says it all. Heatfan2011. He has some fetish for LBJ, and is making ridiculous claims about the Heat just like most Heat fans that didnt even start watching basketball until the summer of 2010.

If you just bring up just the 04 Pistons, and use that as your back up argument, then you really must study the game. The Celtics lead by Bill Russell in the 60's where great. The 95 Bulls were amazing on defense. The 2008 Celtics lead by Kevin Garnett were killing my Lakers (Celtics also had other great defensive players such as Allen, Posey, Tony Allen, and Perkins)

So please go back, open up a NBA website and read read read.

That's a great post.

Mc Lovin
06-09-2011, 09:10 PM
Look at the thread his 12 year old friend opened now

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=625401

:laugh2:

Oh my God. He's saying the NBA was watered down when it was at it's all time best. Look at the players from that era compared to the players now. If Olajuwon played today he would average 30 PPG, 18 RPG, 6 BPG every year. Watered down? LMAO

LakersMaster24
06-09-2011, 09:10 PM
Bird was 80's,wilkins was 80's(his prime really), isiah was 80's, payton was great, stockton was great, barkley was great, magic was 80's, worthy was 80's, mullin was great then but would have been good today, certainly not putting up those numbers, reggie was a jumpshooter and thats it, mchale was 80's.

You were going great until the bold part...

Darrell Russell
06-09-2011, 09:13 PM
Oh my God. He's saying the NBA was watered down when it was at it's all time best. Look at the players from that era compared to the players now. If Olajuwon played today he would average 30 PPG, 18 RPG, 6 BPG every year. Watered down? LMAO

You really cant prove the hakeem line, typical ridiculousness. Are you really saying expansion doesn't water down a league? Saying it was at it's all time best is clearly childhood bias talking ,when you first got into basketball and grew up on it. Guess what? You aren't the only one who grew up with 90's basketball. Go back and watch your favorite 90's shows, im sure 90% will suck.

Mc Lovin
06-09-2011, 09:13 PM
Bird was 80's,wilkins was 80's(his prime really), isiah was 80's, payton was great, stockton was great, barkley was great, magic was 80's, worthy was 80's, mullin was great then but would have been good today, certainly not putting up those numbers, reggie was a jumpshooter and thats it, mchale was 80's.

Dude a guy like Derrick Coleman would be a 20 and 10 player if he played today. The NBA is watered down today if anything.

Darrell Russell
06-09-2011, 09:14 PM
You were going great until the bold part...

Eh he really was man.

Darrell Russell
06-09-2011, 09:15 PM
Dude a guy like Derrick Coleman would be a 20 and 10 player if he played today. The NBA is watered down today if anything.

You mean the derrick coleman who consistently put up 20 and 10 in the 90's?

VillaMaravilla
06-09-2011, 09:17 PM
Noooooooooooooooo way super overated

LakersMaster24
06-09-2011, 09:17 PM
Eh he really was man.

Let me explain to you between "Just a shooter" and REGGIE MILLER.

Just shooters: Kyle Korver, Jeff Hornacek (as great as he was), James Jones, Sasha Vujajic.

And then, come the likes of Reggie Miller and Ray Allen.

Stuckey#3
06-09-2011, 09:18 PM
With Mario Chalmers, Dwyane Wade, King James, Chris Bosh, and Udonis Haslem I dont think there's been a defense as tough and versatile before.

I only am reminded of the pistons in 2004-2005 but that team was great because of the best defensive player ever in Ben Wallace.

I think Im gonna have to agree with skip Bayless for once and say this Miami Heat defense is the best ever.

I apreciate the Big Ben love... but I think their have been several Celtics teams that have been better than anyone else throughout the decades.

KnicksR4Real
06-09-2011, 09:19 PM
ben wallace best defensive player ever?

KnicksR4Real
06-09-2011, 09:20 PM
try bill russel

Darrell Russell
06-09-2011, 09:20 PM
Let me explain to you between "Just a shooter" and REGGIE MILLER.

Just shooters: Kyle Korver, Jeff Hornacek (as great as he was), James Jones, Sasha Vujajic.

And then, come the likes of Reggie Miller and Ray Allen.

Lol ray allen is many times the player reggie was, come on with that comparison. Reggie was a glorified shooter in his era, but whatever you can have your opinion.

Testaverde16
06-09-2011, 09:21 PM
This is ridiculous... its great, but lets not forget about the Spurs or the Celtics of recent years. I cant comment on older than that because I didn't watch close enough back then, but come on. Why do you guys think everything you do is the best ever? Just win and let history decide itself.

LakersMaster24
06-09-2011, 09:22 PM
Lol ray allen is many times the player reggie was, come on with that comparison. Reggie was a glorified shooter in his era, but whatever you can have your opinion.

Just leave. Your embarassing urself. :facepalm:

Darrell Russell
06-09-2011, 09:24 PM
Just leave. Your embarassing urself. :facepalm:

Are you really saying ray allen in his prime wasn't a much more complete player than reggie miller? Seriously guy?

Diesel23
06-09-2011, 09:35 PM
absolutely not, let them win something first then we can talk about that, lets talk about the bulls won 6 championships and the spurs that one 4.

knickfan33
06-09-2011, 09:35 PM
not even close....

mlisica19
06-09-2011, 09:36 PM
With Mario Chalmers, Dwyane Wade, King James, Chris Bosh, and Udonis Haslem I dont think there's been a defense as tough and versatile before.

I only am reminded of the pistons in 2004-2005 but that team was great because of the best defensive player ever in Ben Wallace.

I think Im gonna have to agree with skip Bayless for once and say this Miami Heat defense is the best ever.

Without looking at any one elses comments, I am going to say... NO
The best defense would not allow this to be a 2-2 series, nor allow the kind of defeats they have had.

First team I am thinking about is the Detroit Pistons of the 80's. Their entire team was built on toughness and defense. They all played with an edge on them, including Isiah Thomas and the almighty Denis Rodman. Denis Rodman was an all rebounding legend. Rebounds is defense. Denis Rodman also was one of the best defenders of all time, if not the greatest. The guy was able to guard any type of player, simply because of Will Power. He wanted to go out and prove to himself that he could not only shut down the biggest big man, but the fastest small guy. The playmaker, the scorer or the deisel. His mission was to obtain that ball. 2 championships, a sweep of the legendary lakers. Rodman proved here how good of a defender he was, guarding Magic Johnson and then losing only one game to Blazers.

The San Antonio Spurs of the 90's. Bowman, Duncan, Ginobli off the bench.

And even the recent championship Boston Celtics were one of the best. Their team played based off of defense. They had everything needed for any type of attack. Speed, size, strength, unity, system, coaching leaders.

Miami Heat is far from any of these, even though they are a good defense. You dont do what you did in this series and be considered one of the best. Dirk played below his standards yesterday and they still lost.

effen5
06-09-2011, 09:43 PM
what the **** happened to PSD....

WHODAT8o8
06-09-2011, 09:43 PM
never will be with bosh starting

knickfan33
06-09-2011, 09:44 PM
have you been watching this series...they cant even guard the pick in roll....

the celtics are twice there age, the bulls only have on scorer..... i mean what are measuring this by....

there are so many teams celtics(old and recent),pistons(old and recent),spurs, even the knicks when they had the rotating zone going in the ewing days were a better defensive team then this.

miami has three good man to man defenders on the team and thats it.

mlisica19
06-09-2011, 10:00 PM
According to the stats.

Ray Allen is a better overall player than Reggie Miller Its a close race but whether its regular season or playoffs... Ray Allen basically has him beat in every single thing. Even in points and 3pt%. I never would think this but its true, and even a Championship ring. A great player Miller was, but Ray Allen was probably better and if i needed a shooter i guess i know who i am going with. Ray Allen baby

Tuck&Rolle
06-09-2011, 10:22 PM
Holy **** you miami fans are ********. Every day it's something new with you guys. One day its bosh is better then amare, then its lebron is better then jordan, then its wade is a top 3 sg of all time.

Now they have the best defense of all time?????

You guys are something else man, the lack of knowledge in this fan base is a disgrace.

quade36
06-09-2011, 10:23 PM
Best Finals defense post 2010..... :)

Tuck&Rolle
06-09-2011, 10:26 PM
The Heat are a great team and have great players but enough with all these comparisons to the best players or teams of all time. Your still in the finals, you havn't won **** yet. You fans really are un ****ing believable.

TylerSL
06-09-2011, 10:34 PM
Looking that this person just joined, I am going to guess its either a Heat fan that started this thread to rile people up, or it was a Heat hater that did it to make Heat fans look bad. I honestly wouldnt be suprised in either of those scenarios............ :facepalm:

TylerSL
06-09-2011, 10:35 PM
The Heat are a great team and have great players but enough with all these comparisons to the best players or teams of all time. Your still in the finals, you havn't won **** yet. You fans really are un ****ing believable.

the person just joined this site, its probably somebody that either wants to rile people up or make Heat fans look bad...... This just needs to get locked...

s3antana5757
06-09-2011, 10:40 PM
This is beyond laughable. No. They have no shot blocking and not even a legit C.

Bookey
06-09-2011, 10:41 PM
First of all there D isn't better than Chicago's, they just are better offensively. Secondly how can you mention Heat defense without mentioning Joel Anthony?

D Roses Bulls
06-09-2011, 10:42 PM
With Mario Chalmers, Dwyane Wade, King James, Chris Bosh, and Udonis Haslem I dont think there's been a defense as tough and versatile before.

I only am reminded of the pistons in 2004-2005 but that team was great because of the best defensive player ever in Ben Wallace.

I think Im gonna have to agree with skip Bayless for once and say this Miami Heat defense is the best ever.

what is wrong with some of you miami fans?

JasonJohnHorn
06-09-2011, 10:50 PM
Absolutely not. Bosh and Chambers are average defenders. Wade takes gambles sometimes for steals, though he is above average on defence, and James is a solid defender, but none of them are anywhere near what Rodman, Jordan and Pippen could do. And none are anynear where what the Pistons did in 04, or 89/90.

They simply arent even in the conversation for me. They are a good defensive team, and have improved throughout the playoffs in that respect, but they arent anywhere near the best.

topdog
06-09-2011, 10:50 PM
Not at all. Mavs are playing better D for much of this series.

Fayzon10
06-09-2011, 10:51 PM
:laugh: This

Lakerhead4ever
06-09-2011, 10:54 PM
good but hell no

Raps18-19 Champ
06-09-2011, 10:56 PM
They weren't even the best defensive team this year IMO.

lakersiznumber1
06-09-2011, 11:03 PM
lol at u heat fans some of u guys r on crack and u ask y ppl dont like u how the hell u goin b the best in history ur not even close 2 the celtics 08 team in d pls first the best team in history and now the best d lol u guys r dumb as hell

Team*Chicago
06-09-2011, 11:11 PM
Hell no, they don't even have the best defense right now. So what makes you think they have the best defense ever and their defense is ranked number 6 in the NBA right now. The teams that had the best defense ever was the 80's Pistson, 90's Knicks and the 60's and whatever else Celtics.

jp611
06-09-2011, 11:21 PM
Look at the best defense ever tonight

cambovenzi
06-09-2011, 11:25 PM
Look at the best defense ever tonight

Im confident they will keep them under 120

Sly Guy
06-09-2011, 11:27 PM
this thread is rediculous. I can think of many teams better suited to shutting down an offense than the heat. What the heat are is a team where every player has committed themselves fully to the defensive end because they know that with only 3 real offensive players, they aren't suited to scoring 120ppg. As a result, their players have bought into a defensive system and work hard at it. But I can think of other teams throughout the history of the NBA that had more solid defensive players/coaching from top to bottom.

IE:
2004 Pistons

And I'm not even sure they're the best example, they're just the most recent team that came to mind.

EDIT:
I was gonna ask about the OP, but 15 posts told me all I needed to know.

Kyben36
06-09-2011, 11:28 PM
I dont think so, becuase of a few things 1, watch Barea penetrate 2, they arnt a good enough rebounding team 3) they dont have to play a team with 3 stars in their prime. if they where forced to play themselves, they would give up alot of points.

HAWKS.NO27
06-09-2011, 11:41 PM
What the hell are these people smoking when they say this stupid stuff??? First off they're not even the top 10 defenses of all time...you got the Pistons (Bad Boys) of the 80's, The Celtics of the 60's, the Bulls & Knicks of the 90's and the Spurs of the 00's. How you going to be a top defense when your team doesn't even rebound? That's a HUGE aspect of the game! :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

downsos
06-09-2011, 11:45 PM
I don't think the best defensive team in the history of the NBA would give up 110+ points tied 2-2 in the finals.

7gameseries
06-09-2011, 11:49 PM
With Mario Chalmers, Dwyane Wade, King James, Chris Bosh, and Udonis Haslem I dont think there's been a defense as tough and versatile before.

I only am reminded of the pistons in 2004-2005 but that team was great because of the best defensive player ever in Ben Wallace.

I think Im gonna have to agree with skip Bayless for once and say this Miami Heat defense is the best ever.

:facepalm:

jp611
06-09-2011, 11:50 PM
What an epic defensive game by the best defense ever tonight :laugh:

islandprince
06-09-2011, 11:52 PM
the bulls defense better dem bulls jus didnt hav anybody to create a shot oda den rose

lakersfan01
06-10-2011, 12:01 AM
No lol:facepalm:

MFFL==FML
06-10-2011, 12:03 AM
With Mario Chalmers, Dwyane Wade, King James, Chris Bosh, and Udonis Haslem I dont think there's been a defense as tough and versatile before.

I only am reminded of the pistons in 2004-2005 but that team was great because of the best defensive player ever in Ben Wallace.

I think Im gonna have to agree with skip Bayless for once and say this Miami Heat defense is the best ever.

Hahahahaha! Dumb mother f---ing Heat fan. I hope he is cutting himself after tonight's game.

showtym24
06-10-2011, 12:05 AM
OPP. 56 pct. shooting in game 5 of the finals.....

TopsyTurvy
06-10-2011, 12:05 AM
I understand that sports in general is a "what are you doing for me" industry, but it's a shame how quickly players and pundits forget some of the GREAT teams of recent memory. The Spurs rode their defense to multiple titles. Not saying that the Heat can't meet that accomplish or even surpass it, but San Antonio has already done it across several seasons.

Bishnoff
06-10-2011, 12:05 AM
No, they just allowed 112 points in a Finals game.

avrpatsfan
06-10-2011, 12:05 AM
:laugh: Even the 2007-08 Celtics D was better. Not even close to best all time.

king4day
06-10-2011, 12:11 AM
I didn't see this till now. I have Detroit 2k4, SA through the 2000's, Boston a couple years ago. They'll get better as they begin to add more talent but not a chance in hell are the best ever.

haggis
06-10-2011, 12:12 AM
:laugh2:

yep. best ever.

:laugh:

Sly Guy
06-10-2011, 12:13 AM
LOL, I love the fact I've only read the last 3 pages of this thread, and each response has posed one team or another from recent memory as a better defensive club. And I agree with each of them.

The GEEEEE Men
06-10-2011, 12:17 AM
Anyone that says "I'm gonna have to agree with Skip Bayless" is automatically an idiot

JayAllDay
06-10-2011, 12:17 AM
Really?

drobe86
06-10-2011, 12:21 AM
how about no.... Mavs just shot 57 percent for the field and and 68 percent from 3....

LA_Raiders
06-10-2011, 12:34 AM
Dallas +100pts...

Pistons D in late 80s was nasty...

patrickny209
06-10-2011, 12:38 AM
Nothing about the Heat is the best in NBA history, not even close. Not their defense, not LeBron. Well, you can consider LeBron the most celebrated choke-artist in NBA history, pea-brained douche. Go Mavs!

gaughan333
06-10-2011, 12:40 AM
This is why people dislike heat fans. Just because you started watching basketball this year, doesn't mean they are the best.

Catfish1314
06-10-2011, 12:56 AM
:laugh:

This.

With the athletes they have, Miami has potential to be an all-time great defensive team. But the '04 Pistons? Give me a break.

towlsmoke420
06-10-2011, 01:12 AM
I cant believe that this is a serous thought. to sum it up. fk no