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Wade>You
06-08-2011, 06:26 AM
I reviewed the website RefCalls.com hoping to find footage from the Finals and noticed a pattern. Here's what I found:


- There's not much arguing for the Heat, and a lot of it against the Heat (shocker, I know, but please read)

- A lot of praise for the Mavericks "Epic win against the Thunder (http://refcalls.com/2011/05/24/mavericks-thunder-game-4-the-ref-calls-from-an-epic-comeback-or-blown-victory-game/)" and "Classic comeback against the Blazers (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/24/mavericks-blazers-game-4-questionable-callsno-calls-analyzed-from-classic-comeback-game/)". This was very odd because he does not display the same affection towards other teams.

--- Want to report a bad call? It's easy as following the website's template (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/20/tweet-us-bad-missed-calls-you-see-with-refcalls/):
POR-DAL 1Q 7:48 – Dirk fouled by Aldridge but no call. #refcalls (wow, how helpful, and not subliminal at all)

- Each potential Mavs opponent (Lakers, Thunder, Spurs, Blazers, Heat, Bulls, Celtics) were heavily criticized, while their previous opponents were shown sympathy (interesting, go on)

-- Blazers
--- Game 1 vs Mavs: "Were the Blazers right in complaining about the officiating (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/19/blazer-coach-fined-35k-for-comments-about-refs-was-he-justified-we-break-it-down/)" (the web site creator ends up blaming Andre Miller and the Blazers in the end while providing no footage of the play) (Mavs won)
--- Game 3 vs Mavs: "Barea 'allegedly' flops, questionable call fouls out Chandler (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/23/mavericks-blazers-game-3-three-flops-allegedly-from-one-player-in-same-game-questionable-call-fouls-out-chandler/)" (Mavs lost)
--- Game 4 vs Mavs: "Calls and Non-Calls (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/24/mavericks-blazers-game-4-questionable-callsno-calls-analyzed-from-classic-comeback-game/) that could have had a different bearing on the outcome." (Mavs lost)

-- Lakers:
-- A defensive 3 helps the Lakers win the 2nd seed in the East (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/13/a-defensive-3-second-call-helps-lakers-win-the-2nd-seed-in-the-west/)(guess who they took the 2 seed from?)
--- As the Mavericks swept through the Lakers, there were "no big wrong calls. (http://refcalls.com/2011/05/05/mavericks-lakers-game-2-no-big-wrong-calls-but-waiting-to-see-what-league-does-about-artest-foul/)" . At best, there were "some tough calls that could have gone either way (http://refcalls.com/2011/05/03/mavericks-lakers-game-1-some-tough-calls-with-one-that-could-have-gone-either-way/)" (they went the way of the Mavs).
--- The only time the creator showed any favorable Lakers footage? When they lost game 4 (http://refcalls.com/2011/05/09/lakers-mavericks-game-4-the-calls-that-got-two-lakers-ejected-plus-a-good-no-call-on-bryant/). The videos paint the Lakers in a bad light, until the very last game, where the guy calls Barea a flopper. Probably trying to cover up the evidence, but the previous videos focus heavily on the Lakers.
--- In this video that only talks about the Lakers (http://refcalls.com/2011/05/07/lakers-mavericks-game-3-round-up-of-select-calls-and-no-calls/), it even goes as far as to criticize the Thunder! (an opponent the Mavs knew they would have to face).
--- Game 1 vs Hornets "Good call by ref deserves credit (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/18/grizzlies-vs-lakers-game-1-good-call-by-ref-on-a-tough-play-during-big-possession-deserves-credit/)" (Lakers lost, no side of their story heard).
--- This is another video (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/27/hornets-lakers-game-5-physical-game-results-in-lots-of-calls-flops-and-questions-about-the-officiating/), with the Hornets series tied at 2, the website creator finally decides to show both sides of the story. With the series still in the balance, that is.


-- Spurs:
--- "Good no call on Manu's injury inducing flop (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/09/good-no-call-on-manu%e2%80%99s-injury-inducing-flop/)"
--- Game 1 vs Grizzlies "Not much controversy, but some good flops by Bonner (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/17/grizzlies-vs-spurs-game-1-not-much-controversial-but-some-good-flops-from-bonner/)" (Spurs lost)
---More videos on Ginobili (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/21/grizzlies-spurs-game-2-was-this-is-a-charge-or-block-plus-a-good-no-call-on-major-flop/). Ginobili is taunted as a "Flopper." Of course, the Grizzlies did not receive much attention. This guy is covering all his corner for potential Mavs opponents.
--- But when the Grizzlies finally advance, the website creator starts planting seeds (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/30/spurs-grizzlies-game-6-a-couple-of-questionable-callsno-calls-could-have-made-it-a-little-closer-at-the-end/) about the Memphis Grizzlies!. He hadn't done that in all his previous videos regarding the Spurs-Grizzlies.

--Thunder:
--- Game 1 vs Mavs: He favors the Mavs, with 4 bad calls against the Mavs (http://refcalls.com/2011/05/18/thunder-mavericks-game-1-select-2nd-half-ref-calls-and-the-joe-crawford-show-continues/) to 3 against the Thunder.
--- Game 2 vs Mavs: "Bad calls favor Thunder (http://refcalls.com/2011/05/20/thunder-mavericks-game-2-lots-of-wrong-and-missed-calls-interesting-stats-after-you-add-it-all-up/)" (wow surprise here)
--- Game 3 vs Mavs: "First half pretty clean, but second half made up for it (http://refcalls.com/2011/05/22/mavericks-thunder-game-3-first-hal-pretty-clean-of-bad-calls-but-second-half-made-up-for-it/)" (Mavs lost, of course).
--- Game 5 vs Mavs: "The Mavs did not benefit during comeback win (http://refcalls.com/2011/05/27/thunder-mavericks-game-5-most-important-ref-calls-and-no-calls/)" (how appropriate lol!)
---In this video (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/28/nuggets-thunder-game-5-reversal-of-a-huge-call-shows-how-ref-teamwork-should-work/), it says that the Refs should not have been able to review a potential backcourt violation that gave KD a chance to win the game (OKC won).
--- Game 1 vs Nuggets: "Refs miss goaltending violation that gives OKC late lead" (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/18/nuggets-thunder-game-1-refs-miss-goaltending-violation-that-gives-okc-late-lead/)
--- Game 4 vs Nuggets: In this video (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/25/thunder-nuggets-game-4-close-game-at-the-end-had-a-few-plays-that-could-have-made-it-closer/), it only focuses on the Thunder, setting the tone in case the Thunder and Mavs would meet.

-- Bulls: In the first and second round, they painted a bad picture of the Bulls. Bulls were playing their best basketball around this time and many felt they could make it to the Finals. In the third round, the Bulls start receiving more empathy because the owner of the site can now see that the momentum has shifted towards Miami. By the end of the series, the writer mostly focused on the Heat.
-- Game 1 vs Pacers: "Rose carries the ball on way to big bucket, but no call (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/16/rose-carries-the-ball-on-way-to-big-bucket-but-no-call/)"
--- Game 3 vs Pacers: "Huge no-call on travel helps Bulls win (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/22/bulls-pacers-game-3-a-huge-no-call-on-a-travel-that-gave-the-bulls-the-win-but-can-you-totally-blame-the-refs/)"

-- Celtics:
--- Game 1 vs Knicks: "Two bad calls at end of game doom Knicks" (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/18/knicks-celtics-game-1-two-bad-calls-at-end-of-game-doom-knicks/)
--- Game 2 vs Knicks: "4th quarter no-calls help Boston (http://refcalls.com/2011/04/20/tuesdays-featured-calls-knicks-celtics-game-2-couple-of-4q-no-calls-help-boston/)"

-- Heat:
--- Game 1 vs Celtics "Some of the worst calls we've seen (http://refcalls.com/2011/05/02/celtics-heat-game-1-some-of-the-worst-calls-weve-seen-in-a-single-game-these-playoffs/)" (Miami won the game)
--- Game 2 vs Celtics: More focusing on the Heat after they won, nothing about the Celtics. (http://refcalls.com/2011/05/04/celtics-heat-game-2-tough-calls-hard-to-judge-at-real-speed-examined/)
--- Game 3 vs Celtics: With Miami up 2-0, the Celtics get their first win of the series, and "the refs were not a problem (http://refcalls.com/2011/05/08/heat-celtics-game-3-refs-not-a-problem-except-for-this-one-no-call-hard-to-miss/)," which is very convenient since the Heat lost the game.
--- Game 5 vs Bulls: "Surprisng number of wrong calls (http://refcalls.com/2011/05/28/heat-bulls-game-5-4th-quarter-ref-call-analysis-surprising-number-of-wrong-calls/)" (against the Bulls, of course).
--- Game 1 vs Mavs: "Not equal for Mavs (http://refcalls.com/2011/06/02/dallas-miami-nba-finals-game-1-both-halves-reviewed-not-equal-for-mavs-refs-miss-5-lebron-travels/)" and "Wrong calls affect Dallas more than Miami (http://refcalls.com/2011/06/01/mavericks-heat-nba-finals-game-1-wrong-calls-affect-dallas-more-than-miami/)" (of course, the Mavs lost)


There's a lot of focus on the Heat this series, especially the travels, but there were 2 clear travels (J-Kidd jumping into Wade) and Nowitzki's Hakeem step that the guy didn't show. When I didn't see those mentioned while the guy focuses heavily on Miami, I decided to do some back tracking and I can't believe how bad a picture he painted of every title contending team EXCEPT the Mavs!

Please note that there is plenty more and I did not have the time to post every video and show every piece subjective reporting by the web author that shows he favored the Mavericks over every team he reported on.

MagicHero3
06-08-2011, 08:44 AM
haha a Heat fan made this thread. first facepalm! :facepalm:

dnewguy
06-08-2011, 08:51 AM
Makes no sense, we all know Dallas has been favored this play-offs. The Lakers series gave it away, you can mug Kobe and Gasol all you want and no call but you can't touch Dirk..........LOL.

The finals is pathetic, the refs are keeping Dallas in it every game.

blacknell
06-08-2011, 08:51 AM
ill give you a flop and horrible call from last night: Heyward went out to check Lebron and got close to him and Lebron acted like he was just pushed hard as hell.

Also game 3 Wade jumped for a rebound and flopped like kidd pushed him in the back and and the replay showed he was not touched at all

Greet
06-08-2011, 09:07 AM
The Heat's big 3 flop like it's their job. I don't understand what you're trying to say with this thread..

Phenomenonsense
06-08-2011, 09:13 AM
Makes no sense, we all know Dallas has been favored this play-offs. The Lakers series gave it away, you can mug Kobe and Gasol all you want and no call but you can't touch Dirk..........LOL.

The finals is pathetic, the refs are keeping Dallas in it every game.

I'm guessing you ignore the amount of fouls Haslem commits while guarding dirk but gets away with because he has the title of "Great Defender" which makes him immune to touch fouls.

ne3xchamps
06-08-2011, 09:14 AM
The Heat's big 3 flop like it's their job. I don't understand what you're trying to say with this thread..

+1. I don't know why this thread was started.

MagicHero3
06-08-2011, 09:18 AM
Makes no sense, we all know Dallas has been favored this play-offs. The Lakers series gave it away, you can mug Kobe and Gasol all you want and no call but you can't touch Dirk..........LOL.

The finals is pathetic, the refs are keeping Dallas in it every game.

:clap::clap::clap:
HEAT FANS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE REFS!

i never thought the day would come....

northsider
06-08-2011, 09:24 AM
What the **** is refcalls.com and this is pretty pathetic.

Why was it when other teams were complaining about Refs. the Heat fans were bashing them and now some of them have no problem being complete hypocrites and doing the same thing.

When the day comes that every game ends completely even on FT's and calls then that is when I will seriously start to think it is big time rigged cause that means Refs. are looking at foul call differentials and making adjustments to make them even.

wjmoffatt
06-08-2011, 09:29 AM
Seriously man, your already crying and it's 2-2! Hate to see what you do if they lose? I'm a die hard LA fan and we didn't have an unjust series by the zebras. It was fairly ref'd throughout the series! I'm also the biggest Russell Westbrook fan maybe ever and the OKC series was fair too, OKC got away with some calls on dirk and Kidd got away with some on Durantual but who cares it evened out both ways. Quit crying, that's what makes people criticize Lebron and his groupies so much.

king4day
06-08-2011, 09:59 AM
Cool site. Never seen it before. I think that's basically what NBA refs are shown (not the site, but that kind of indepth coverage of individual missed plays).

-Kobe24-TJ19-
06-08-2011, 10:29 AM
yep I blame the refs, refs 4 lakers 0


:rolleyes:

jp611
06-08-2011, 10:31 AM
Heat fans complaining about the refs :laugh:

How the **** do you guys think you got here? If you want to complain about the refs, go back to the ECF and watch some tape

Hugbees
06-08-2011, 10:45 AM
stop being a little *****.. the two of yous clog this forum with whiney nonsense that should be contained in the heat forum

Mobsterkel
06-08-2011, 12:25 PM
I am not a fan of either team, id say it's been about pretty even, it's just i have seen the refs call less flops in game 3 and 4, the frist two miami had the flop edge, it think u are just seeing Miami mostly and dallas flops not getting called and people are but hurt. we all know the home teams allways have the ref advantage unless the refs are really trying to fix the games. get over it miami will losse this year, its not their year yet.

k.smith904
06-08-2011, 12:36 PM
wow this is sad.

kenzo400
06-08-2011, 12:40 PM
Makes no sense, we all know Dallas has been favored this play-offs. The Lakers series gave it away, you can mug Kobe and Gasol all you want and no call but you can't touch Dirk..........LOL.

The finals is pathetic, the refs are keeping Dallas in it every game.

Stop embarrassing yourself :facepalm::facepalm:

Frezhnitz
06-08-2011, 12:54 PM
Yeah, i agree.

Ebbs
06-08-2011, 01:04 PM
Makes no sense, we all know Dallas has been favored this play-offs. The Lakers series gave it away, you can mug Kobe and Gasol all you want and no call but you can't touch Dirk..........LOL.

The finals is pathetic, the refs are keeping Dallas in it every game.

wow.... You didn't watch the game if you think the refs beat you last night.


yep I blame the refs, refs 4 lakers 0


:rolleyes:

please be kidding.

marj987
06-08-2011, 01:22 PM
And my "Stop saying we thread" was pointless? What do you want us to do? Nobodys not out their on the court with no teams we cant throw pie at them? Would you like us to bribe them with a cookie? Refs are just doing their jobs.....Its hard enough to see fouls call and violaions that fast anyway....Thats when the most *****ing comes from instant replays "SLOWED DOWN" it occurs so quickly in real life......I think sometimes when stuff happens that fast the refs just beep the whistle..........

Hellcrooner
06-08-2011, 01:28 PM
yep I blame the refs, refs 4 lakers 0


:rolleyes:

therefshadan influecence-
Remeber we were close in all games except for one.

and its a true thing that Chanlder and Co wer elalowed to hack our bigs wiht no fouls and we couldnt even breeze into Dirks neck

-Kobe24-TJ19-
06-08-2011, 01:35 PM
wow.... You didn't watch the game if you think the refs beat you last night.



please be kidding.

I was being sarcastic, hence the smiley thingy:p

avrpatsfan
06-08-2011, 01:41 PM
I love it when Heat fans complain about the refs because they've gotten all of the calls all playoffs long and now in the Finals they don't get every call and they ***** about it. :laugh:

SteBO
06-08-2011, 01:44 PM
:pity: Wow, just WOW!

These Finals been pretty even outside Game 3 in terms of officiating, so the point of this thread is what exactly?

Giraffes Rule
06-08-2011, 01:57 PM
Maybe I misunderstand the point of this thread, but I don't think it's to complain about the officiating. It's to point out that this website, RefCalls.com has some pretty biased writing.

Am I missing something here?

SteBO
06-08-2011, 02:01 PM
LOL now I understand what this thread is about. Giraffes Rule is right. It's showing how biased the site towards Mavs opponents.

KmB728
06-08-2011, 02:17 PM
Makes no sense, we all know Dallas has been favored this play-offs. The Lakers series gave it away, you can mug Kobe and Gasol all you want and no call but you can't touch Dirk..........LOL.

The finals is pathetic, the refs are keeping Dallas in it every game.

Dude don't you know thats what happens when your team is full of slashers?

when you drive you get more calls ITS THAT SIMPLE


---Does this sound familiar... oh yeah that was Heat fans all playoff long until recently

Dirks drives and Lebron stands in the corner all night long :rolleyes: U mad?

rocketdude
06-09-2011, 07:42 AM
I reviewed the website RefCalls.com hoping to find footage from the Finals and noticed a pattern. Here's what I found:


- There's not much arguing for the Heat, and a lot of it against the Heat

Idiotic post. The ref calls site posts video of all the questionable calls in the Finals so everyone can decide for themselves if the calls were wrong or not. Those headlines you mentioned weren't pro Mavericks or pro anything. Nice try to create a conspiracy when none exists. You probably think Anthony Weiner's crotch shots still aren't his own.

The ref site backs up their claims with video -- you're probably too lazy to look for them all, or didn't read how they said early in the playoffs they could only pick the biggest ones since they are just a small group of volunteers who couldn't cover every play of every game, but asked people to contribute to their forum or tweet, which no one seems to be doing because people are lazy.

They also continually show video of Mavs' Barea and Stevenson flopping, including on their other site Top Flops.com, and show Dirk traveling all the time. If they had an agenda to help the Mavs, they wouldn't be showing that stuff. And let's face it -- Dallas doesn't have as many slashers like OKC and MIA do. If you can't drive to the basket, you're going to have less travels. If you can drive, you'll have more travels. Simple logic.

If Oklahoma City had won the West, or the Lakers had won, then you'd probably be saying they were pro-Thunder or pro-Lakers, and try to find some sentences that make it look that way. And you'd have to say the Mavericks' run has been pretty amazing by sweeping the Lakers, and several comeback wins against OKC and MIA (I'm a Rockets fan and hate the Mavericks). So there's nothing wrong for them to mention something about the game involving an "epic comeback," which it was. Any idiot would have to admit that.

Much of it comes down to the video, and if they don't have the video you're looking for, then you should send them the info on the plays they missed rather than whining like a baby that your Heat (or whoever) are getting slighted. They are calling out referee names, not players or teams. But there are always going to be the conspiracy theorists.

Dumb arguments by this poster who has too much time on his hands trying to find something that doesn't exist.

asandhu23
06-09-2011, 08:30 AM
Heat fans complaining when your "King" does **** you see in my sig.

DR_1
06-09-2011, 10:04 AM
Makes no sense, we all know Dallas has been favored this play-offs. The Lakers series gave it away, you can mug Kobe and Gasol all you want and no call but you can't touch Dirk..........LOL.

The finals is pathetic, the refs are keeping Dallas in it every game.

Would u like some cheese with that wine?