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JordansBulls
05-28-2011, 07:24 PM
What does Chicago do in the offseason to be able to deal and contend with Miami next season?

Let's face it, the Bulls need some upgrades at SG with Bogans and also another ball handler. But would it be more practical to get that SG who is a ball handler and defender and who can score (like a Stephen Jackson) or would they be better off shipping out Noah and Boozer or one of them and Taj or what have you to try to get Dwight?

B'sCeltsPatsSox
05-28-2011, 07:43 PM
Sign Jamal Crawford or trade for O.J. Mayo. I'm pretty sure the Bulls do have the cap space to not have to sign Crawford to the MLE. Also maybe get a backup forward, in particular a small forward.

210Don
05-28-2011, 07:45 PM
get aaron afflalo would be the best fit

AddiX
05-28-2011, 07:48 PM
Prey rose learns how to run an offense that is not the the most basic ****** proof offense in the NBA. This kid is clueless at even getting the ball to boozer and Noah in good position.

ryguy553
05-28-2011, 07:48 PM
Denver won't let him go. If I we're them I might sign Jason Richardson. Still a great knock down 3 point shooter and explosive type scorer. Something the Bulls really need.

Catfish1314
05-28-2011, 07:51 PM
Why just Chicago? Miami is every team in the East's problem now; not just Chicago's.

The Bulls need a secondary shot-creator on the perimeter. Preferrably a guy who plays team ball and at least a little bit of defense. Jason Richardson would be almost ideal.

bringinwood
05-28-2011, 07:51 PM
If there were ever a team that wouldn't benefit from the presence of Dwight Howard, it would be the Chicago Bulls...

They already have a rebound monster and defensive juggernaut in Joakim Noah... Are you really going to rely on Dwight Howard for a steady diet of offense on this team ???

To deal with Miami, the Bulls need to upgrade at SG to lessen the scoring load of Derrick Rose... Once the Heat realized the Bulls had 0 other scoring options, they pulled what other teams discovered against LeBron on the Cavs... Double and triple team him while forcing others to beat you... Since the Cavs had no other weapons, they never won a title...

There aren't many options that are big enough threats to force other teams to lessen their defensive pressure against Rose...

This is what makes the Heat so special...

Heater4life
05-28-2011, 07:54 PM
Tough question seeing as the Bulls will make upgrades at SG and the Heat will more likely than not shore up the hole at the C position.

To far ahead for me to look at i think.

Sportfan
05-28-2011, 07:54 PM
So the NBA forum is now the Chicago Bulls forum?


This isn't needed here

Catfish1314
05-28-2011, 07:55 PM
If there were ever a team that wouldn't benefit from the presence of Dwight Howard, it would be the Chicago Bulls...

They already have a rebound monster and defensive juggernaut in Joakim Noah... Are you really going to rely on Dwight Howard for a steady diet of offense on this team ???

Seriously? Noah is awesome but he's no Dwight Howard. Howard makes his team better just by standing around and drawing attention.

Jonathan2323
05-28-2011, 07:56 PM
They need to get another star player. I don't think they would have got past Boston either in these playoffs.

Kyben36
05-28-2011, 07:58 PM
we will look at dwight, look to see what type of SG we can get, possibly look to ship out Boozer ( unlikely ). we will get plenty of offers for Taj, and maybe a few other Bench mob player like Asik. theres no telling what happends. I dont think that our defete had anything to do with lack of tallent, just lack of exicution, and lack of pressure off rose, we need a SG who can handle the ball.

beasted86
05-28-2011, 08:01 PM
They already have a rebound monster and defensive juggernaut in Joakim Noah...

Look, I'm not trying to bait or gloat or cause any trouble... but I think Bosh proved Noah is not exactly a "defensive juggernaut". He is a very good overall player, and a top 5 defensive Center, but to compare his defense to Dwight Howard isn't practical.

I mean, seriously, he got only 3 votes for defensive player of the year and finished 15th: http://www.nba.com/2011/news/04/18/dwight-howard-defensive-player-release/index.html

Dwight Howard would be a massive upgrade for Chicago, and would probably put them on par or above the Heat... but it's a long shot to get him.

JB0B0
05-28-2011, 08:02 PM
They need to get another star player. I don't think they would have got past Boston either in these playoffs.

I'm not sure we would have either but next year is a different story.

Catfish1314
05-28-2011, 08:02 PM
Look, I'm not trying to bait or gloat or cause any trouble... but I think Bosh proved Noah is not exactly a "defensive juggernaut". He is a very good overall player, and a top 5 defensive Center, but to compare his defense to Dwight Howard isn't practical.

I mean, seriously, he got only 3 votes for defensive player of the year and finished 15th: http://www.nba.com/2011/news/04/18/dwight-howard-defensive-player-release/index.html

Bosh made a shitload of shots with Noah right in his face. Give Bosh some credit.

Master Mind
05-28-2011, 08:02 PM
get aaron afflalo would be the best fit

This

ImThatDude
05-28-2011, 08:03 PM
Chicago only plays 1 team next season?

Catfish1314
05-28-2011, 08:04 PM
They need to get another star player. I don't think they would have got past Boston either in these playoffs.

I think we would have. Their frontcourt was really thin in this postseason. It would have taken 6 or 7 games, but we're pretty much a faster, less experienced version of them.

jockrider
05-28-2011, 08:04 PM
another player that can do something with the dribble. rose and watson are the only guys who can do anything with the ball in their hand.

JordansBulls
05-28-2011, 08:05 PM
If there were ever a team that wouldn't benefit from the presence of Dwight Howard, it would be the Chicago Bulls...

They already have a rebound monster and defensive juggernaut in Joakim Noah... Are you really going to rely on Dwight Howard for a steady diet of offense on this team ???

To deal with Miami, the Bulls need to upgrade at SG to lessen the scoring load of Derrick Rose... Once the Heat realized the Bulls had 0 other scoring options, they pulled what other teams discovered against LeBron on the Cavs... Double and triple team him while forcing others to beat you... Since the Cavs had no other weapons, they never won a title...

There aren't many options that are big enough threats to force other teams to lessen their defensive pressure against Rose...

This is what makes the Heat so special...


Our frontcourt struggled in every series and IMO Bosh himself outplayed both Noah and Boozer together in the series. That won't happen with Dwight around.

beasted86
05-28-2011, 08:05 PM
But to answer the OP, more overall growth from Derrick Rose, Omer Asik, and Taj Gibson, and a key free agent signing at SG would probably be a step in the right direction.

JordansBulls
05-28-2011, 08:07 PM
Chicago only plays 1 team next season?

No, but just like Cle in 2008 to 2009 improved to get by Boston and then the next year to get by Orlando, you have to realize that in the east that Miami will be the team the Bulls have to overcome in the future. Boston will still be good as well, but Miami will be the bigger obstacle.

Panthers4life
05-28-2011, 08:12 PM
they sign jr smith and jason richardson

llemon
05-28-2011, 08:14 PM
Improve their team as much as possible

Master Mind
05-28-2011, 08:21 PM
But seriously every team in the league will be looking to upgrade even Miami...

DA FRANCHISE
05-28-2011, 08:23 PM
With out question the have to go after D12. I love noah and boozer and the r a monster combination when ever they get going but rose and D12 would b unstoppable with the right cast.so I would say a trade of boozer(16mil),taj(because of the post seasonhe's about to get a nice size contract around like 7-8mil),and asik(same for him except he not getting and extension this year),and 2first(one being the bobcats pick this year top 14 protected and top 10 next year and 5the following year.and the bobcats don't look like they r doing any better anytime soon).that should b enough to get D12 and Ryan Anderson(only to spread the floor).I know alot of people r going to b mad when I say this the bulls need j.r smith.he one of the fastest guards on the market that excel in the open break(how many times we have seen rose go one on five with no one to help abound on the break in just the pacers and hawks series alone)and we seen how good he can get when he's hott(that 49pts still hurts Smh John pax) I also think rose is a better leader than melo and will b able to get through to him better cause he has all the talent in the world for a 2 guard he just needs sum one to bring it out of him I think with all the guys we have they'll all get him going in the system wit ease.next mid level exp for either Carter or mcgrady(another ball handel'er that makes plays and sign one more big(Sean willams) and we could have a roster like this

Rose/Watson/(I also think we should draft Travis leasie the kid a monster)
Jr smith/carter or mcgrady/brewer
Deng/carter or mcgrady/krover
Noah or boozer or gipson(who's ever left)/Anderson/
D12/k.Thomas/fa

Now that team can compete with miami any day of the week

Spencesc11
05-28-2011, 08:25 PM
Get one either Jason Richardson or OJ Mayo to take some 4th quarter shot pressure off of Derrick Rose. Plus tell that overpaid lug Boozer to start playing some defense. He is to important on offense in the 4th to be such a liability on the other end. I guess the Bulls know why Utah didn't give him a big contract now huh???

godolphins
05-28-2011, 08:27 PM
If I were the Bulls I would trade for Dwight Howard and include Jason Richardson in that deal via sign and trade.

DA FRANCHISE
05-28-2011, 08:31 PM
Look, I'm not trying to bait or gloat or cause any trouble... but I think Bosh proved Noah is not exactly a "defensive juggernaut". He is a very good overall player, and a top 5 defensive Center, but to compare his defense to Dwight Howard isn't practical.

I mean, seriously, he got only 3 votes for defensive player of the year and finished 15th: http://www.nba.com/2011/news/04/18/dwight-howard-defensive-player-release/index.html

Dwight Howard would be a massive upgrade for Chicago, and would probably put them on par or above the Heat... but it's a long shot to get him.

Really?ur forgetting about lets c melo,lebron,dwill,bosh,Kidd,Carter their is no such this as impossible or a long shot in the NBA.other than him walking and them getting nothing in return the bulls can put together the best package for his even better the LA

gotoHcarolina52
05-28-2011, 08:32 PM
If I were the Bulls I would trade for Dwight Howard and include Jason Richardson in that deal via sign and trade.

That would go a hell of a long way in their attempt to compete with the HEAT. In order to get that deal done, though, they'll likely have to give up Noah, Boozer and Asik in the process.

Howard
Gibson
Deng
Richardson
Rose

That's a damn good lineup.

kingkenny01
05-28-2011, 08:35 PM
sign a superstar or two
nothing big you know

Master Mind
05-28-2011, 08:41 PM
With out question the have to go after D12. I love noah and boozer and the r a monster combination when ever they get going but rose and D12 would b unstoppable with the right cast.so I would say a trade of boozer(16mil),taj(because of the post seasonhe's about to get a nice size contract around like 7-8mil),and asik(same for him except he not getting and extension this year),and 2first(one being the bobcats pick this year top 14 protected and top 10 next year and 5the following year.and the bobcats don't look like they r doing any better anytime soon).that should b enough to get D12 and Ryan Anderson(only to spread the floor).I know alot of people r going to b mad when I say this the bulls need j.r smith.he one of the fastest guards on the market that excel in the open break(how many times we have seen rose go one on five with no one to help abound on the break in just the pacers and hawks series alone)and we seen how good he can get when he's hott(that 49pts still hurts Smh John pax) I also think rose is a better leader than melo and will b able to get through to him better cause he has all the talent in the world for a 2 guard he just needs sum one to bring it out of him I think with all the guys we have they'll all get him going in the system wit ease.next mid level exp for either Carter or mcgrady(another ball handel'er that makes plays and sign one more big(Sean willams) and we could have a roster like this

Rose/Watson/(I also think we should draft Travis leasie the kid a monster)
Jr smith/carter or mcgrady/brewer
Deng/carter or mcgrady/krover
Noah or boozer or gipson(who's ever left)/Anderson/
D12/k.Thomas/fa

Now that team can compete with miami any day of the week

Noah, Deng, Asik and Taj for Howard, Bass, and perhaps Hedo or Arenas would probably be the deal. Orlando is looking to rape, similar to Denver...

Redbull
05-28-2011, 08:43 PM
Go hard for DH12, Joakim Noah, Omer Asik, CJ Watson and 2-3 first round draft picks with one pick being the Bobcats pick.

Raph12
05-28-2011, 08:44 PM
Nothing they can do really, unless they can trade for a goto scorer... Otherwise, they'll have to hope Rose becomes a great passer next season.

BcEuAbRsS
05-28-2011, 08:48 PM
Noah, Deng, Asik and Taj would probably be the deal. Orlando is looking to rape, similar to Denver...

This... Im not too sure I wanna give up 75% of our big men plus Deng for Dwight...

Chances are also that Arenas will be forced into a deal with Howard... If that was the case then we would prolly see something like: Deng, Boozer, Noah, and a couple 1st rounders...

Howard would obviously be the key but Arenas would be abled to bring the ball up the floor and could create assuming he gets back to around his career average... But if Rose continues to struggle shooting (unlike his first 2 seasons) than that could lead to some very ugly shooting from the 1 and 2...

gotoHcarolina52
05-28-2011, 08:58 PM
Go hard for DH12, Joakim Noah, Omer Asik, CJ Watson and 2-3 first round draft picks with one pick being the Bobcats pick.

That garbage might get you Josh and Juwan Howard, but it will not get you Dwight Howard.

JamaicanYouth
05-28-2011, 08:59 PM
I think Rip Hamilton would be great fit for the bulls great shooter you have to pay attention to and a veteran on the floor who has been to the finals and won

fishfan79
05-28-2011, 09:02 PM
we will look at dwight, look to see what type of SG we can get, possibly look to ship out Boozer ( unlikely ). we will get plenty of offers for Taj, and maybe a few other Bench mob player like Asik. theres no telling what happends. I dont think that our defete had anything to do with lack of tallent, just lack of exicution, and lack of pressure off rose, we need a SG who can handle the ball.

I love seeing the FAU in the sig :) went there myself for a time

I would say the bulls biggest need is someone else whom can create especially in a drive to create sense.

mpdeveza
05-28-2011, 09:14 PM
I think Rip Hamilton would be great fit for the bulls great shooter you have to pay attention to and a veteran on the floor who has been to the finals and won

The bulls really need a SG who is efficient off the ball. Yes, Rip Hamilton would be a perfect fit for the bulls. Also he would really benefit from the defensive system under Thibs.

RZZZA
05-28-2011, 09:23 PM
So the NBA forum is now the Chicago Bulls forum?


This isn't needed here

:facepalm:

yeah, its the Chicago Bulls forum. You got a problem? Nobody cares, go cry to momma.

some people, I swear...every thread thats opened you got 2 or 3 wise acres going "does this thread belong here? inb4lock!"

godolphins
05-28-2011, 09:30 PM
That would go a hell of a long way in their attempt to compete with the HEAT. In order to get that deal done, though, they'll likely have to give up Noah, Boozer and Asik in the process.

Howard
Gibson
Deng
Richardson
Rose

That's a damn good lineup.
Hopefully that doesn't happen but that would be a good deal for Chicago.

allSUAVE
05-28-2011, 09:31 PM
Chicago is not the only team looking to improve you kno

RZZZA
05-28-2011, 09:34 PM
a core built around Rose/Deng/Dwight Howard would be able to compete with Lebron/Wade/Bosh year in and year out.

I know Heat fans are scared of that possibility, don't lie. Rose/Deng/Dwight would make the entire league tremble, and I don't think I'm exaggerating.

well, maybe a little

ryang
05-28-2011, 10:06 PM
kobe dwight and durant then they will be ready

justinnum1
05-28-2011, 10:13 PM
Install an offense.

ryang
05-28-2011, 10:24 PM
What happens to this question when the HEAT or RILEY makes moves none of you feel he can (even tho it shouldnt suprise u)?? Then we will have this question asked again??

ManRam
05-28-2011, 10:28 PM
a core built around Rose/Deng/Dwight Howard would be able to compete with Lebron/Wade/Bosh year in and year out.

I know Heat fans are scared of that possibility, don't lie. Rose/Deng/Dwight would make the entire league tremble, and I don't think I'm exaggerating.

well, maybe a little

I still don't see him being traded in conference. Even if you offer Noah, Boozer, Asik, Taj and whatever else we want, I think we wouldn't be interested. It would just be mediocrity for the next 3+ years (bad contracts, no stars, no cap space etc.) If we move Howard, it will be to rebuild and hopefully for a young star...I don't think Chicago can help us out with that.

But yes, Howard and Rose would be deadly. Wherever Howard goes, if he goes (I pray not), he'll be on a deadly team. Whether it's in NJ with Deron, or LA with Kobe and co., or somehow Dallas (they have nothing to offer), or even with Chris Paul after next year (that's the scariest thing IMO)...he's going to change the landscape of the NBA again, as much as LeBron did.

TylerSL
05-28-2011, 10:30 PM
Call me crazy but I would say the Draft. Look the Bulls already have 41.3 million dollars invested in Deng, Boozer, and Noah annually. Rose is going to have to get paid eventually. Assuming he get a good 13 mil/year that make 54.3 million on those 4 players alone. The soft cap in the NBA this past season was 58.04 million. Assuming there is less money to spend after the new CBA (I do think they will come to an agreement, but there wont be as much money to spend in FA), the Bulls wont have the money to spend on a SG like Jamal Crawford, or Jason Richardson. They could trade for OJ Mayo but why would Memphis want to trade Mayo? Memphis was 1 win away from WCF this year and Mayo was a big part of that. And even if Memphis would trade him to Chicago, who would Chicago trade? Would the Bulls send a package to Memphis around Gibson? I would assume Memphis would want Gibson and other players such as Bogans, and maybe even throw in Asik. The Bulls could try to shop Boozer, I do think Gibson is good enough to start, but they would want to get a decent big in return so they can have depth at the PF. If they go with the draft, like I said. They can get a shooter, they have 2 firsts. The Bulls could draft Shelvin Mack and play him at SG. He could be the scorer they are looking for. This playoff run only did better for Chicago, and they will be even better next year. Add Mack and whoever else they decide to draft next year and they could punch Miami in the mouth.

dolfan2909
05-28-2011, 10:33 PM
sign rip hamilton, i think he would be a great fit, keep korver and brewer as offensive/defensive specialists, get rose to shoot less long jumpers (i don't care how much he works on it in the offseason), hope thibodeau learns how to coach better (i couldn't care less if he won coach of the year, spoelstra owned him in the last series)

JordansBulls
05-29-2011, 10:12 AM
I still don't see him being traded in conference. Even if you offer Noah, Boozer, Asik, Taj and whatever else we want, I think we wouldn't be interested. It would just be mediocrity for the next 3+ years (bad contracts, no stars, no cap space etc.) If we move Howard, it will be to rebuild and hopefully for a young star...I don't think Chicago can help us out with that.

But yes, Howard and Rose would be deadly. Wherever Howard goes, if he goes (I pray not), he'll be on a deadly team. Whether it's in NJ with Deron, or LA with Kobe and co., or somehow Dallas (they have nothing to offer), or even with Chris Paul after next year (that's the scariest thing IMO)...he's going to change the landscape of the NBA again, as much as LeBron did.

I just don't see what you would want from Dallas at this point. But also why wouldn't he get traded to Chicago but get traded to NJ?

Str1fe5
05-29-2011, 10:43 AM
I still don't see him being traded in conference. Even if you offer Noah, Boozer, Asik, Taj and whatever else we want, I think we wouldn't be interested. It would just be mediocrity for the next 3+ years (bad contracts, no stars, no cap space etc.) If we move Howard, it will be to rebuild and hopefully for a young star...I don't think Chicago can help us out with that.

But yes, Howard and Rose would be deadly. Wherever Howard goes, if he goes (I pray not), he'll be on a deadly team. Whether it's in NJ with Deron, or LA with Kobe and co., or somehow Dallas (they have nothing to offer), or even with Chris Paul after next year (that's the scariest thing IMO)...he's going to change the landscape of the NBA again, as much as LeBron did.

Well I don't see how NJ is more preferable than the Bulls. What chips does NJ have that the Bulls don't? They're in the East too. The only player being discussed that is a clear all star when healthy is Andrew Bynum as far as I can tell. Because of age and health I'd rather have Deng and Noah and Charlotte's pick over Odom and Bynum, personally. But I can see how the Magic might want a clearly and decidedly better package from an East team than the Lakers. I have no clue what Dallas can offer. It's the same problem they ran into when they tried to get in on the Lebron talks. They had nobody Cleveland would want to sign and trade for.

hugepatsfan
05-29-2011, 11:11 AM
I still don't see him being traded in conference. Even if you offer Noah, Boozer, Asik, Taj and whatever else we want, I think we wouldn't be interested. It would just be mediocrity for the next 3+ years (bad contracts, no stars, no cap space etc.) If we move Howard, it will be to rebuild and hopefully for a young star...I don't think Chicago can help us out with that.

But yes, Howard and Rose would be deadly. Wherever Howard goes, if he goes (I pray not), he'll be on a deadly team. Whether it's in NJ with Deron, or LA with Kobe and co., or somehow Dallas (they have nothing to offer), or even with Chris Paul after next year (that's the scariest thing IMO)...he's going to change the landscape of the NBA again, as much as LeBron did.

This.

1 blue chip potential first option is worth more than 5 good players that aren't first options. At least when you're trading a star, IMO.

I'm praying that BOS moves Rondo for picks, which would give them the cap for Dwight and CP3. :pray: Those 2 together would be insane.

gotoHcarolina52
05-29-2011, 11:26 AM
This.

1 blue chip potential first option is worth more than 5 good players that aren't first options. At least when you're trading a star, IMO.

I'm praying that BOS moves Rondo for picks, which would give them the cap for Dwight and CP3. :pray: Those 2 together would be insane.

And I'm hoping Dwight signs for the MLE and CP3 for the vet min. Those five together would be :speechless:

NBA-GMaster
05-29-2011, 11:44 AM
I really want to see Ray Allen in Bulls uniform.. He may be old but he's still one of the best shooters in the NBA.. Ray Allen for full MLE..

Wilson
05-29-2011, 11:48 AM
Rest up, let the experience sink in (for most of them this is the first deep play-off run), get a SG and maybe one or two better bench guys and they're good to go.



I really want to see Ray Allen in Bulls uniform.. He may be old but he's still one of the best shooters in the NBA.. Ray Allen for full MLE..

He's under contract for another year, the Bulls can't offer him the MLE until next summer.

Catfish1314
05-29-2011, 06:11 PM
I still don't see him being traded in conference. Even if you offer Noah, Boozer, Asik, Taj and whatever else we want, I think we wouldn't be interested. It would just be mediocrity for the next 3+ years (bad contracts, no stars, no cap space etc.) If we move Howard, it will be to rebuild and hopefully for a young star...I don't think Chicago can help us out with that.

If he is traded, where do you see him going? If Howard plays it like a superstar, he'll want to go to a major-market team with the personnel to contend immediately and for the future. No team fits that bill better than Chicago.

If Howard plays it like the down-to-earth person he is, I don't see him leaving Orlando at all. If I'm not mistaken, he's spent his entire life in the south and I've read he's a very family-oriented person. If he leaves Orlando via free agency, I wouldn't count out teams in that part of the country (Hawks, Mavs, Hornets, etc.)

theheatles
05-29-2011, 06:15 PM
i don't see who they can trade to improve...no1 is going to want boozers contract with his diminishing value...bulls can't add a really nice player from free agency because they need cap for signing rose to a max deal in 2 years...adding the 3 jazz players seemed good at first but they added **** for a whole lot of cash...

FriedTofuz
05-29-2011, 06:16 PM
Trade Ronnie Brewer. Sign A sf like caron butler. Get a defensive big man because thomas is getting old. Asik isnt enough.

jp611
05-29-2011, 06:20 PM
Nothing they can do really, unless they can trade for a goto scorer... Otherwise, they'll have to hope Rose becomes a great passer next season.

Why? They have cap space and pieces to make a deal... And Rose is a good passer, he has a 38 AST%... that's pretty good

Jonathan2323
05-29-2011, 06:21 PM
Rip Hamilton would be a terrible move...

Raps18-19 Champ
05-29-2011, 06:24 PM
Why just Chicago? Miami is every team in the East's problem now; not just Chicago's.



What he said.

So can a mod move this to the Bulls forum.

jp611
05-29-2011, 06:25 PM
Rip Hamilton would be a terrible move...

I wouldnt mind him as a scorer off the bench, but I wouldnt give him anything more than vet min.

12evolution 9
05-29-2011, 06:37 PM
So the NBA forum is now the Chicago Bulls forum?


This isn't needed here

same ...

lol homie is asking people how his bulls can beat the HEAT...

what about the Orlando Magic, Boston Celtics, New York Knicks, Philadephia 76ers, Detroit(ehh), Indiana Pacers, Milwaukee Bucks, Atlanta Hawks, other than those teams i dont really see much happening

other than maybe Wizards, but lets face it this Juan Wall kid is ova rated, ya i know he young and can get better, but i rather take a look at his teammate Nick Young... Man that guy has been shooting lights out and no one has been paying attention ... im telling you this guy is a stone cold killer ... If Wall can feed the ball to this kidd and Mcgee can get better in the post offensively ... could be a surprise team, rashard has experience but chokes up at times... he wont have much pressure on him this time with these two youngsters wrecking stuff... but like i said i aint sold yet on this John Wall Kidd....


... if Chicago wants to beat Miami, have Rose distribute, Ronnie was hittin threes, and Deng will hit a Open three.

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 06:39 PM
Brewer hit how many 3's this season, like six? He's not a three point shooter. He's not really a very good shooter at all.

And why is it every time a thread about the Bulls is opened in this forum, you got people screaming for it to be moved? This is the NBA forum, the Bulls are an NBA team. If you want a thread about the "Orlando Magic, Boston Celtics, New York Knicks, Philadephia 76ers, Detroit(ehh), Indiana Pacers, Milwaukee Bucks, Atlanta Hawks," then friggin open one up and talk about them.

It's insanity, there's far more threads about the Heat in this forum right now than the Bulls. Should we move all those threads to the Heat forum?

D Roses Bulls
05-29-2011, 06:40 PM
Prey rose learns how to run an offense that is not the the most basic ****** proof offense in the NBA. This kid is clueless at even getting the ball to boozer and Noah in good position.

lmao..... proof you did not watch many bulls games in the regular season. the playoffs is much different. nice thought, but easier said than done and have you not watched boozer this post season? come on now.....

FriedTofuz
05-29-2011, 06:40 PM
What he said.

So can a mod move this to the Bulls forum.

Ironically, a retired mod made it.

D Roses Bulls
05-29-2011, 06:40 PM
Sign Jamal Crawford or trade for O.J. Mayo. I'm pretty sure the Bulls do have the cap space to not have to sign Crawford to the MLE. Also maybe get a backup forward, in particular a small forward.

please god no to both of these.

gotoHcarolina52
05-29-2011, 06:43 PM
Brewer hit how many 3's this season, like six? He's not a three point shooter. He's not really a very good shooter at all.

And why is it every time a thread about the Bulls is opened in this forum, you got people screaming for it to be moved? This is the NBA forum, the Bulls are an NBA team. If you want a thread about the "Orlando Magic, Boston Celtics, New York Knicks, Philadephia 76ers, Detroit(ehh), Indiana Pacers, Milwaukee Bucks, Atlanta Hawks," then friggin open one up and talk about them.

It's insanity, there's far more threads about the Heat in this forum right now than the Bulls. Should we move all those threads to the Heat forum?

The Miami HEAT are still playing meaningful basketball games this season, whereas the Chicago Bulls have been swiftly eliminated and will no longer be a relevant topic for the purposes of the general NBA until the NBA Finals conclude and the free agency period begins.

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 06:44 PM
^okay, so does that mean only threads bout the Dallas Mavericks andthe Miami Heat are allowed in this forum now?

People, if you aren't a mod then kindly stfu about what threads deserve to stay open or if theyre in the right forum. There's WAY to many mod-wannabe's around here

PM a mod if it bother you so much

D Roses Bulls
05-29-2011, 06:45 PM
The Miami HEAT are still playing meaningful basketball games this season, whereas the Chicago Bulls have been swiftly eliminated and will no longer be a relevant topic for the purposes of the general NBA until the NBA Finals conclude and the free agency period begins.

oh stop. what about when rose was on his way to win an mvp and everyone was bashing rose threads?

D Roses Bulls
05-29-2011, 06:46 PM
^okay, so does that mean only threads bout the Dallas Mavericks andthe Miami Heat are allowed in this forum now?

People, if you aren't a mod then kindly stfu about what threads deserve to stay open or if theyre in the right forum. There's WAY to many mod-wannabe's around here

PM a mod if it bother you so much

thank you...... :clap:

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 06:48 PM
if it was up to the people here, no Bulls related threads at all would be allowed in the NBA forum.

We're still a team in the NBA, and we have a large fanbase, that's why there's threads made about us in the NBA forum and not as many about....say...the Milwaukee Bucks.


if you want to talk about the Bucks then just open a thread up and talk about them, nobody is stopping you.

gotoHcarolina52
05-29-2011, 06:49 PM
if it was up to the people here, no Bulls related threads at all would be allowed in the NBA forum.

We're still a team in the NBA, and we have a large fanbase, that's why there's threads made about us in the NBA forum and not as many about....say...the Milwaukee Bucks.


if you want to talk about the Bucks then just open a thread up and talk about them, nobody is stopping you.

Really? Alright, let's go ahead and see how that goes.

ryang
05-29-2011, 06:49 PM
Sign shooters and then sign whoever else u need 2 after we upgrade our weaknesses

Chucky Woods
05-29-2011, 06:51 PM
Bulls aren't getting Dwight. Get that out of your head. Dwight=Orlando/Dallas
D-Rose's "MVP" offense needs work. Teach him how to do what PG's do and run an offense.
I don't see them winning a title until Derrick Rose matures,
My 2 cents

DrDre94
05-29-2011, 06:52 PM
There is no one really in this FA that would benefit Chicago...

Maybe a SG like Richardson, JR Smith, or even Carter (for a year or two)

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 06:52 PM
Really? Alright, let's go ahead and see how that goes.

I can predict exactly how that'll go. If the thread is interesting enough you'll get maybe 2 pages of replies tops and then the thread will fall off the front page and die.

Not enough Bucks fans to generate responses.

Chronz
05-29-2011, 06:55 PM
You already know the answer jb, its tmac.

jetsforever
05-29-2011, 06:56 PM
They don't need too much. They could have easily won this series. Its not like they were blown out every single game.

Its not like they are the Raptors, Cavs or Minnesota that significant changes need to be made. Perhaps more changes in the luck of the series than anything else.

Hunter48MVP
05-29-2011, 06:59 PM
Sign JR Smith or Jamal Crawford. Trade for Dwight Howard for Joakim Noah, Tai Gibson and 3 first round draft pick

gotoHcarolina52
05-29-2011, 06:59 PM
I can predict exactly how that'll go. If the thread is interesting enough you'll get maybe 2 pages of replies tops and then the thread will fall off the front page and die.

Not enough Bucks fans to generate responses.

Exactly right, but viability and appropriateness are two separate things.

Hawkize31
05-29-2011, 07:00 PM
From a Heat fan perspective, I would be happy if the Bulls traded for Howard.

The Bulls already have a great defense and are great at rebounding. Thats all Howard will bring to the table. Hes not a great scorer. There are only so many rebounds to be had. It would be more helpful to the Bulls to try to fix their weaknesses (scoring) as apposed to trying to improve in areas they already excel in.

FriedTofuz
05-29-2011, 07:02 PM
Someone else made a bucks thread, and it got closed, so shouldnt this one be closed too?

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 07:04 PM
Exactly right, but viability and appropriateness are two separate things.

do you really want to live in a world where every thread that's opened about a team, you got 10 people crying about where it belongs and whether or not it should be closed?

I'd rather the thread live or die based on its own merits. If its a good thread, it'll generate responses and live. If it's a bad thread, it won't and it'll die.

just let the mods decide what thread belongs where, that's all. PM them if you want, I don't care.

gotoHcarolina52
05-29-2011, 07:05 PM
Someone else made a bucks thread, and it got closed, so shouldnt this one be closed too?

this

Raps18-19 Champ
05-29-2011, 07:05 PM
From a Heat fan perspective, I would be happy if the Bulls traded for Howard.

The Bulls already have a great defense and are great at rebounding. Thats all Howard will bring to the table. Hes not a great scorer. There are only so many rebounds to be had. It would be more helpful to the Bulls to try to fix their weaknesses (scoring) as apposed to trying to improve in areas they already excel in.

Howard would be an offensive factor if he was facing the Heat though.

1 reason why Heat beat Miami is because they were able to get away with Bosh playing C. Not gonna work with Howard.

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 07:05 PM
Someone else made a bucks thread, and it got closed, so shouldnt this one be closed too?

that thread was closed because it was a parody thread and not a legit thread about a topic worthy of discussion.

ryang
05-29-2011, 07:07 PM
This thread is legit seeings how the bulls just played us in the EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS..

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 07:07 PM
Manram, if you close this thread then the whiners win. Don't let them win.

I swear I will whine loud about every heat-related thread in this forum if you go around closing Bulls related threads

Raps18-19 Champ
05-29-2011, 07:07 PM
that thread was closed because it was a parody thread and not a legit thread about a topic worthy of discussion.

Would a New York thread make more sense?

ManRam
05-29-2011, 07:07 PM
Someone else made a bucks thread, and it got closed, so shouldnt this one be closed too?

This isn't having terrible discussion. That one was. It was clearly made to mock this.

This thread has a bit more relevance, considering Chicago is the top contender to Miami's throne in the East right now and just got eliminated. As long as the discussion stays on topic, that's fine. The Bulls are much more relevant to the NBA news world right now still.

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 07:09 PM
thank you Man, finally a voice of reason. Jesus, too many people have an agenda and just want the NBA forum to completely be devoid of any Bulls threads or Bulls fans.

ManRam
05-29-2011, 07:09 PM
If you don't have anything to say that's worthwhile or on topic, please don't post. Not that hard.


My $0.02. They need Rose to get better (he will), and they need an upgrade at SG. Boozer and Noah underperformed. Credit Miami's defense some, but still, they underperformed. They can play better. I think they can manage with Boozer and Noah up front in all honesty. They just need a better scoring threat. The defense is there 100%, they just need to find a quick way to score 5-7 more points a game (easier said than done).

Raps18-19 Champ
05-29-2011, 07:09 PM
Manram, if you close this thread then the whiners win. Don't let them win.

I swear I will whine loud about every heat-related thread in this forum if you go around closing Bulls related threads

2 wrongs don't make things right.

If someone whining about a thread is wrong, then why would you whine about another thread?

If you have a view, at least stick to it.

FriedTofuz
05-29-2011, 07:09 PM
that thread was closed because it was a parody thread and not a legit thread about a topic worthy of discussion.

That makes sense. However, if you read word for word, it still makes sense, except the person changed the post to milwauke bucks players. So why isnt that a legit thread?

gotoHcarolina52
05-29-2011, 07:10 PM
do you really want to live in a world where every thread that's opened about a team, you got 10 people crying about where it belongs and whether or not it should be closed?

I'd rather the thread live or die based on its own merits. If its a good thread, it'll generate responses and live. If it's a bad thread, it won't and it'll die.

just let the mods decide what thread belongs where, that's all. PM them if you want, I don't care.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, but you and I know that if PSD were to adopt that standard, 80%+ of the open threads in the general NBA forum would concern the Bulls, Knicks, Lakers, HEAT, Celtics, etc. Very few teams outside of those 5 would even sniff the forum. Now, I'm all for supply and demand and the dictates of the market and all, but the clutter would be unbearable and, overall, it would be extremely inefficient. Each team has a forum for a reason.

I'm not going to go out and say no team-specific threads belong in the general forum, but I do believe that, for the benefit of all involved, threads about what transactions a certain team should make in the offseason properly belong in said team's forum and not in the general nba one.

FriedTofuz
05-29-2011, 07:11 PM
This isn't having terrible discussion. That one was. It was clearly made to mock this.

This thread has a bit more relevance, considering Chicago is the top contender to Miami's throne in the East right now and just got eliminated. As long as the discussion stays on topic, that's fine. The Bulls are much more relevant to the NBA news world right now still.

Thats true, Afterall, chicago just got eliminated from the ECF's while milwaukee has yet to make the playoffs. It probably was a mocking thread made by a heat fan.

Derick713
05-29-2011, 07:12 PM
The Bulls have to hope the Heat don't get better pieces and more depth. The Bulls could use a more consistent player at SG. Jason Richardson would be the ideal fit. Inserting Taj Gibson as the starter and moving Boozer to the bench might prove to be beneficial. I think the Bulls have to move Carlos Boozer. Bulls management probably realizes that Amare would've been the better choice. I bet the Bulls wished they signed Wesley Matthews.


I could see the Bulls making a run at Michael Redd. You have to imagine that the Bulls are hoping that Richard Hamilton gets bought out. Maybe the Bulls offer Boozer and another piece for Josh Smith and Marvin Williams.


BULLS POTENTIAL DRAFT TARGETS-

1.) Chris Singleton
2.) David Lighty
3.) DeAndre Liggins
4.)Vernon Macklin

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 07:13 PM
I wholeheartedly agree with you, but you and I know that if PSD were to adopt that standard, 80%+ of the open threads in the general NBA forum would concern the Bulls, Knicks, Lakers, HEAT, Celtics, etc. Very few teams outside of those 5 would even sniff the forum. Now, I'm all for supply and demand and the dictates of the market and all, but the clutter would be unbearable and, overall, it would be extremely inefficient. Each team has a forum for a reason.

I'm not going to go out and say no team-specific threads belong in the general forum, but I do believe that, for the benefit of all involved, threads about what transactions a certain team should make in the offseason properly belong in said team's forum and not in the general nba one.

sometimes people want the opinions of the general NBA fan population though and not just from fans of their own team. If Knick fans for example want the opinions of NBA fans they should be able to post their Knick-related threads in here.

but lets get back on topic like Man said

FriedTofuz
05-29-2011, 07:13 PM
Manram, if you close this thread then the whiners win. Don't let them win.

I swear I will whine loud about every heat-related thread in this forum if you go around closing Bulls related threads

Hes capable of making his own decisions, afterall, he is a supermoderator. If you do that, that would just be disruptive behaviour, and you know what that will cause.

ManRam
05-29-2011, 07:14 PM
Can we please stop? Seriously, future posts off-topic will be deleted, and then infracted.

There was a thread like this when the Knicks lost. There was a thread like this when LA lost. There was a thread like this when Boston lost. Etc. Now there is a thread like this when Chicago lost.

If you have a problem, don't post. Seriously, it's annoying and immature.

Mr. Baller
05-29-2011, 07:19 PM
They need a long, athletic shooting guard who can also hit the three ball. Out of FA, I would have to say J.R. Smith and maybe Jason Richardson. I don't think anybody will trade for Boozer, so Chicago is stuck with him.

FriedTofuz
05-29-2011, 07:19 PM
Back on topic
Things to improve on:
1. Roses man to man defense.
2. Roses ability to make others better
3.Roses ability to shoot 3's. Its good, but can bet a whole lot better.
4. Sign a shooting guard who can play both ends of the court. A veteran with versatility like caron butler would work.
5. A defensive big like tyson chandler, or samuel dalembert, because at times boozer and noah had been injured, and some of them had horrible games.

FriedTofuz
05-29-2011, 07:24 PM
jason richardson would be perfect. A very good shooter with good offensive game. However, he isnt that great of a defender. Bogans defense is at at level where richardsons defense wouldnt be. Chicago would take a step back defensively, but would increase more offensive productivity and have multiple offensive options.

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 07:28 PM
we need creators and playmakers, not just good shooters. We also need more 2 way players.

Lots of Bulls fans, and it is rumored that management too, is unhappy with Boozer and looking to unload him somehow too.

Most people also think Derrick deserves to play with another super star and not just good role players.

Dwight is obviously gonna be priority #1 for us. after that, a SG who can beat people off the dribble and create offense will be priority #1b

aside from that, there's a need for a better back up PG. CJ Watson sucks. We also need a back up SF because Deng played entirely too many minutes this season.

GoneGuru
05-29-2011, 07:32 PM
Jason Richardson

called this back in january

hes the best fit next to rose for the short term (2-3 years)

bulls are fine, quit tripping

ManRam
05-29-2011, 07:33 PM
we need creators and playmakers, not just good shooters. We also need more 2 way players.

Lots of Bulls fans, and it is rumored that management too, is unhappy with Boozer and looking to unload him somehow too.

Most people also think Derrick deserves to play with another super star and not just good role players.

Dwight is obviously gonna be priority #1 for us. after that, a SG who can beat people off the dribble and create offense will be priority #1b

aside from that, there's a need for a better back up PG. CJ Watson sucks. We also need a back up SF because Deng played entirely too many minutes this season.



Boozer may have disappointed, but if you move him, who scores in the post for you? Gibson is good, but he isn't the answer IMO. You're not going to be able to trade Boozer for a better big man.

I think keeping Boozer is the best option. Hope he bounces back. He is a good offensive player, and the Bulls do need offense more than defense right now. As bad as he was at times, it's gonna be hard to upgrade there.

I agree that a pure shooter at SG isn't what is needed either. I'm not sure Richardson is a good fight. He was great in PHX's system, but terrible in ours. I think out offense is a lot more like Chicago's than Phoenix's. I just don't think without an extreme pass-first PG that he can be great. He really struggles at times to create his shot, and more than half of his shots for us were threes. For the price he might cost, it probably isn't worth it.


I think Dwight is a pipe dream too. Noah and/or Boozer are good players, but they're not gonna help us a ton in the short or long term. I think there are better ways to shed salary, get more youth and get better picks than trading with Chicago IN CONFERENCE.

3Blueforyou
05-29-2011, 07:35 PM
This isn't having terrible discussion. That one was. It was clearly made to mock this.

This thread has a bit more relevance, considering Chicago is the top contender to Miami's throne in the East right now and just got eliminated. As long as the discussion stays on topic, that's fine. The Bulls are much more relevant to the NBA news world right now still.

ya guys cut them some slack there team matters. We know our role.

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 07:37 PM
Boozer may have disappointed, but if you move him, who scores in the post for you? Gibson is good, but he isn't the answer IMO. You're not going to be able to trade Boozer for a better big man.

I think keeping Boozer is the best option. Hope he bounces back. He is a good offensive player, and the Bulls do need offense more than defense right now. As bad as he was at times, it's gonna be hard to upgrade there.

Opinion is split on Boozer in the Bullsforum. Some people think he should be given more time to get healthy and mesh within the system, others are fed up with his dumb playing style, his awful defense and his unreliability on the offensive end and don't think he fits with the team at all, and want him moved. Several interesting trades have been presented in the Bulls forum that involve Boozer.


I agree that a pure shooter at SG isn't what is needed either. I'm not sure Richardson is a good fight. He was great in PHX's system, but terrible in ours. I think out offense is a lot more like Chicago's than Phoenix's. I just don't think without an extreme pass-first PG that he can be great. He really struggles at times to create his shot, and more than half of his shots for us were threes. For the price he might cost, it probably isn't worth it.

I don't think it's worth it either, he's just not what we need. One person in the Bulls forum is high on Reggie Williams and wants us to sign him. He's a rookie who plays for Golden State. Other people want us to take a chance on JR smith or try and trade for Oj Mayo.

Whatever the opinion, it's clear that Rose needs more than a good shooter at the SG position, he needs a legit second option/offensive threat/ball handler/creator/playmaker

D Roses Bulls
05-29-2011, 07:40 PM
I wonder if were gonna get a "what does minnesota need to do to contend with miami next year" thread as well, lol

MelkyNYY
05-29-2011, 07:42 PM
I wonder if were gonna get a "what does minnesota need to do to contend with miami next year" thread as well, lol

I agree, this thread is relevant to the NBA forum. But you can make one about any team and have it be just as relevant. That's the point. It's silly.

And I don't think the Bulls need any changes. I just think they need to improve and grow as ateam.

ryang
05-29-2011, 07:43 PM
Knicks?? Bucks?? alls those threads will do is clutter up the forum.. next will be 76ers then atlanta then god knows who else... the only reason the bulls is open is because they played us tough in the EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS...

gotoHcarolina52
05-29-2011, 07:54 PM
Where's Nene going to end up? Will he opt out of his contract with Denver? He would be a solid addition to the HEAT or Knicks.

akesh99
05-29-2011, 07:58 PM
HOPE that you can trade Noah, Deng and Gibson for Dwight and Turk and sign Richardson.

Howard/Asik
Boozer/Thomas
Brewer/Turkoglu
Richardson/Korver
Rose/Watson

MelkyNYY
05-29-2011, 08:00 PM
Isn't Dwight Howard going to be packaged with Arenas no matter what? Don't you think the Magic will just be trying to unload Arenas?

ManRam
05-29-2011, 08:09 PM
Howard + Arenas is a ton of money...and I think dumping Arenas is gonna be tough. I don't think Howard and Arenas will be paired together. Hedo would be the cap dump tied to Howard...not Gil.

I like Noah, but I just can't see Chicago being who we trade him to.

We get Noah, Boozer, Asik, Taj or whatever combo of those guys, and how exactly do we ever plan on being a top 4 team in the East? There's no youthful player with huge upside, there's no way of getting a good draft pick. I don't even want Noah AND Boozer because that's $25M in contracts per year for way too long. You can't rebuild terribly easy around that, especially if we can't unload Arenas. Add Arenas to that mix and between those three guys, who won't ever lead us anywhere, are taking up 45 million in salary for at least the next three seasons.

That's just not how you rebuild IMO.

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 08:14 PM
we'd laso give you 3 picks. You'd be in rebuilding mode so the picks would be very important. I'm not very knowledgable on this but what I hear in the bulls forum is that after the CBA there will be an amnesty clause which will most likely be used on Arenas, and the package to us will include Dwight and Hedo.

That'll clear a ton of cap space for you guys and get you ready to go into rebuild mode. We'd trade you anyone you want except for Rose (while trying very hard to keep Deng).

Asik is a young rookie with a ton of upside, he's expected to be a top 5 defensive center soon. Taj Gibson also has a ton of ptential, he's already good defensively. Just gotta teach him to stop biting at pump fakes. And offensively he's got a ton of potential too. His play this season was hampered by personal tragedies (like 3 people close to him died in 2010) and lingering injuries (he had a concussion at the middle of the season).

So potentially you would get a ton of serviceable players from us along with 3 picks to help you rebuild

nickdymez
05-29-2011, 08:14 PM
J.R. Smith

Lord Leoshes
05-29-2011, 08:16 PM
What does Chicago do in the offseason to be able to deal and contend with Miami next season?

Let's face it, the Bulls need some upgrades at SG with Bogans and also another ball handler. But would it be more practical to get that SG who is a ball handler and defender and who can score (like a Stephen Jackson) or would they be better off shipping out Noah and Boozer or one of them and Taj or what have you to try to get Dwight?



If ORL would actually trade Howard for Noah, & Boozer, you take it & run before they realize their mistake.

Besides that, you guys should wait & see what happens with Rip H 1st.

MelkyNYY
05-29-2011, 08:16 PM
It would take Deng, Noah, Asik, Taj + Picks for Dwight from the Magic.
or
Humphries, Lopez, Damion James, Ben Uzoh + Picks from the Nets
or
Bynum, Ebanks, Caracter, + Picks from the Lakers

Clearly, the Lakers package is the weakest. Not really much to offer. The Nets is the best, Bulls not far behind.

nickdymez
05-29-2011, 08:18 PM
Id give em Gasol instead of Bynum.. **** Gasol

jp611
05-29-2011, 08:19 PM
Howard + Arenas is a ton of money...and I think dumping Arenas is gonna be tough. I don't think Howard and Arenas will be paired together. Hedo would be the cap dump tied to Howard...not Gil.

I like Noah, but I just can't see Chicago being who we trade him to.

We get Noah, Boozer, Asik, Taj or whatever combo of those guys, and how exactly do we ever plan on being a top 4 team in the East? There's no youthful player with huge upside, there's no way of getting a good draft pick. I don't even want Noah AND Boozer because that's $25M in contracts per year for way too long. You can't rebuild terribly easy around that, especially if we can't unload Arenas. Add Arenas to that mix and between those three guys, who won't ever lead us anywhere, are taking up 45 million in salary for at least the next three seasons.

That's just not how you rebuild IMO.

It would probably involve at least 3 draft picks including the Bobcats pick, which could bea very good pick in a few years

ManRam
05-29-2011, 08:20 PM
we'd laso give you 3 picks. You'd be in rebuilding mode so the picks would be very important. I'm not very knowledgable on this but what I hear in the bulls forum is that after the CBA there will be an amnesty clause which will most likely be used on Arenas, and the package to us will include Dwight and Hedo.

That'll clear a ton of cap space for you guys and get you ready to go into rebuild mode. We'd trade you anyone you want except for Rose (while trying very hard to keep Deng).

Asik is a young rookie with a ton of upside, he's expected to be a top 5 defensive center soon. Taj Gibson also has a ton of ptential, he's already good defensively. Just gotta teach him to stop biting at pump fakes. And offensively he's got a ton of potential too. His play this season was hampered by personal tragedies (like 3 people close to him died in 2010) and lingering injuries (he had a concussion at the middle of the season).

So potentially you would get a ton of serviceable players from us along with 3 picks to help you rebuild

1. Those picks will be late first rounders...not really a ton of value.

2. We can get better cap relief elsewhere, and we need it desperately.

3. Assuming the amnesty clause does indeed happen isn't a safe assumption. The players are not going to let it happen without a fight.

4. Asik is a good player, but the upside isn't amazing IMO. He's never going to be an offensive player. Gibson does have some upside, again, but he doesn't have all-star potential. We get a few role players and 3 late first round picks...that's really not too much to be in love with.

5. We're not looking for "serviceable". I get that we don't have much leverage, but "serviceable" is not what were' going to be trading for. Someone will give us more than "serviceable" I'd imagine.

mttwlsn16
05-29-2011, 08:20 PM
Prey rose learns how to run an offense that is not the the most basic ****** proof offense in the NBA. This kid is clueless at even getting the ball to boozer and Noah in good position.

this, and add a SG

MelkyNYY
05-29-2011, 08:20 PM
Id give em Gasol instead of Bynum.. **** Gasol

The Lakers do not have the pieces to get Dwight Howard (yet). I think LA has to dump Artest and Fisher for some talented young players and picks to even have a shot. But who's going to give you that for Artest and Fisher?

Best bet for LA is to trade Gasol to the highest bidder, stock up on young players and picks, and then trade Bynum + Gasol assets + picks to the Magic for Hedo and Dwight.

Fisher
Kobe
Artest/Hedo
Odom
Dwight

jp611
05-29-2011, 08:23 PM
I'm not getting my hopes up for Dwight, i doubt it happens

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 08:24 PM
1. Those picks will be late first rounders...not really a ton of value.

2. We can get better cap relief elsewhere, and we need it desperately.

3. Assuming the amnesty clause does indeed happen isn't a safe assumption. The players are not going to let it happen without a fight.

4. Asik is a good player, but the upside isn't amazing IMO. He's never going to be an offensive player. Gibson does have some upside, again, but he doesn't have all-star potential. We get a few role players and 3 late first round picks...that's really not too much to be in love with.

5. We're not looking for "serviceable". I get that we don't have much leverage, but "serviceable" is not what were' going to be trading for. Someone will give us more than "serviceable" I'd imagine.

You're never going to be able to get equal value when you trade a super star, it's all about taking the best offer. I think the Bulls are capable of putting together the best offer. Those 3 picks include the bobcats pick which in a few years time will be a good pick.

If we give you Deng, Noah, Asik, Bogans, Korver, Taj, Brewer, Watson...and those 3 picks and we take back hedo's contract, thats a pretty good deal.

TheHighLife
05-29-2011, 08:24 PM
Start Korver at the SG and trade deng and brewer for a good SF and they are ready.

MelkyNYY
05-29-2011, 08:25 PM
You're never going to be able to get equal value when you trade a super star, it's all about taking the best offer. I think the Bulls are capable of putting together the best offer. Those 3 picks include the bobcats pick which in a few years time will be a good pick.

If we give you Deng, Noah, Asik, Bogans, Korver, Taj, Brewer, Watson...and those 3 picks and we take back hedo's contract, thats a pretty good deal.

Wow you would tear apart your entire team for Dwight Howard?

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 08:26 PM
Korver cannot start as a SG in the NBA, he's just a role player. He cant dribble, he can't create, he can't even pass well.

jp611
05-29-2011, 08:27 PM
Start Korver at the SG and trade deng and brewer for a good SF and they are ready.

Luol Deng is a top 10 SF, and one of the better defensive SF's in the NBA, which is a pretty big necessity since Lebron James is on the Bulls toughest competition in the Eastern Conference

Lil Half Dead
05-29-2011, 08:27 PM
I'm hoping we can pick-up J-Rich at the 2 Guard.

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 08:28 PM
Wow you would tear apart your entire team for Dwight Howard?

The consensus in the Bulls forum seems to be yes. We'd obviously try very hard to keep Deng though, and build around a core of Rose/Deng/Howard.

Who knows what our FO thinks though, they've often been criticized for being too conservative, too in love with their own players and not opportunistic enough when it comes to making big moves.

Bulls finally have the trade pieces in place to toss their hat in the ring for a big FA acquisition like Howard and the attitude in Bulls nation seems to be...don't let this opportunity pass us by

mdm692
05-29-2011, 08:30 PM
boozer, bogans, asik, a pick for ray and jeff green

ManRam
05-29-2011, 08:30 PM
You're never going to be able to get equal value when you trade a super star, it's all about taking the best offer. I think the Bulls are capable of putting together the best offer. Those 3 picks include the bobcats pick which in a few years time will be a good pick.

If we give you Deng, Noah, Asik, Bogans, Korver, Taj, Brewer, Watson...and those 3 picks and we take back hedo's contract, thats a pretty good deal.

I'm not looking for equal value, I'm just looking for more than "serviceable" - to steal a word from you describing your team's assets.

I don't think the Bulls provide the best offer...granted, I don't know what the other offers are.

We trade for Noah and Boozer and we've just added a ton of salary for two players that aren't going to get us anywhere at all (if we can't cut Gil, we'd never in a million years take this deal). That deal would set us up for 6-8 seeds for years. No thanks.

We trade for Noah, Asik and/or Gibson, and we still are just getting a defensive center who can't score, and a fringe starter.

We can do better for the most impactful player in the game, even with the little leverage we have.

If you had a huge expiring, that would help. You don't though. Your picks stink. Charlotte's isn't bad...but it's tricky. It's protected incrementally for the next few years...it's a crap shoot. Probably won't get a lottery pick out of it.

RZZZA
05-29-2011, 08:32 PM
I didn't say anything about Boozer, I know his contract is too large and you don't want him. Boozer will be our problem

jp611
05-29-2011, 08:36 PM
To get Dwight, I think we'd almost certainly need a 3rd team involved... I doubt they want what we have

ManRam
05-29-2011, 08:38 PM
I didn't say anything about Boozer, I know his contract is too large and you don't want him. Boozer will be our problem

I know. But others have. Boozer + Noah is the most talent you can offer, and more than most...but contractually, it isn't worth it at all.


To get Dwight, I think we'd almost certainly need a 3rd team involved... I doubt they want what we have

Possibly...probably. Noah is a good starting point, but after that, you guys, as a Magic fan, just can't offer enough that helps us rebuild.

Eagles4Lyfe
05-29-2011, 08:47 PM
Nothing, no one can compete with them until one of the big 3 get hurt or start declining like the celtics.
Knicks can get CP3 but wade or lebron will just stop him.
Bulls i don't know cap space and what they can add but if they can add a max player they need someone who can help rose out offensively.

smith&wesson
05-29-2011, 08:51 PM
Obviously they need a better shooting gaurd.

Catfish1314
05-29-2011, 09:22 PM
You already know the answer jb, its tmac.

This.


From a Heat fan perspective, I would be happy if the Bulls traded for Howard.

The Bulls already have a great defense and are great at rebounding. Thats all Howard will bring to the table. Hes not a great scorer. There are only so many rebounds to be had. It would be more helpful to the Bulls to try to fix their weaknesses (scoring) as apposed to trying to improve in areas they already excel in.

I don't see Howard as a realistic target but while pretending he is, he would help the Bulls tremendously on offense.

Howard generates offense just by standing on the court. He creates just as many second chance opportunities as Noah, but he does it while taking up more space on the court. He has a lesser degree of the Shaq effect. His girth in the paint is a huge asset. People underestimate Dwight offensively. Just because he doesn't have Al Jefferson's polished interior game, that doesn't make him worthless offensively.

Cromedome
05-29-2011, 11:22 PM
Dunno, why don't you ask in the Bulls forum?


/thread closed

DeyAce
05-29-2011, 11:41 PM
Get Howard
Get Mayo Affalo or JR Smith
Championship

uchiha
05-29-2011, 11:57 PM
Rudy Gay would be epic

lilojmayo
05-30-2011, 12:06 AM
Best case scenario

Dwight Howard with a sprinkle of OJ Mayo.

Chi StateOfMind
05-30-2011, 12:11 AM
Best case scenario

Dwight Howard with a sprinkle of OJ Mayo.

I would have someone invite you to my funeral.

JordansBulls
05-30-2011, 01:45 PM
You already know the answer jb, its tmac.

:confused:

Big Game Son
05-30-2011, 02:15 PM
Get some flipping offense. That wasn't Miami dominating defensively...that was Rose being the only option able to create his own shot. Made Miami's life very easy as the series progressed, more tired Rose got. Deng stunk and the others just cant create.

RZZZA
05-30-2011, 02:17 PM
Deng stunk? what game were you watching

Southsideheat
05-30-2011, 03:50 PM
A realistic deal would be

Howard and Hedo

For

Noah, Deng, Gibson, and 2 first rounder (including the bobcats pick)

Boozer won't be as terrible with Dwight Howard next to him, and no defense can be bad with Dwight Howard at center. Orlando had terrible defenders and thwybstill were very good overall defensively.

Nelson
Reddick
Deng
Gibson
Noah

And

Rose
Richardson
Brewer
Boozer
Howard

Mixeditup1
05-30-2011, 03:53 PM
Yeah I think it's pretty much Dwight Howard that will make us better, and make us a team that can beat the Heat (we really are already a team that can beat them, we just went cold in the 4th quarters of this series.. credit the heat defense and just us sucking for that) As far as everyone saying what we'll give up... It all depends, if we can someone how make Dwight have a preference to come to Chicago, we'll have Orlando by the balls... I think we throw everything aside from Rose at them.

Give em Noah + Boozer + picks, or mix in a scenario with Deng in it.

But yeah something like this would be deadly

Rose
J-Rich/Mayo
Deng/Hedo if we have to trade Deng
Taj
Howard

My only fear is messing up the team chemistry, but adding Dwight to that team would def only help it out

Mixeditup1
05-30-2011, 03:54 PM
A realistic deal would be

Howard and Hedo

For

Noah, Deng, Gibson, and 2 first rounder (including the bobcats pick)

Boozer won't be as terrible with Dwight Howard next to him, and no defense can be bad with Dwight Howard at center. Orlando had terrible defenders and thwybstill were very good overall defensively.

Nelson
Reddick
Deng
Gibson
Noah

And

Rose
Richardson
Brewer
Boozer
Howard

Yeah I can dig it lol

Reese's
05-30-2011, 03:59 PM
Plain and simple, Bulls need a Shooting Guard. Someone who will score around 20 PPG every night and take the pressure off D-Rose. My solution is to trade for Monta Ellis.

Now I now he's not the most attractive option at SG b/c he's about the same height as D-Rose but he's the best option with our limited resources and Golden State will no doubt be looking to trade him. So we package either both our 1sts this year or one this year and our 1st (not the Bobcats) with Korver and either Brewer or find a team looking to dump an expiring contract for cap space to add into the deal to make it work. Monta gives us a good #2 shooting option to go with Rose and Deng.

Then try and use our MLE to sign Tayshaun Prince or another Small Forward b/c we can't have Deng playing close to 40 MPG. Plus his veteran leadership would help us out a lot come Playoff time next year. Then use what ever else we got to get a fairly young veteran (33ish) Center/Power Forward for leadership and the Playoffs next year too.

After that I'd try to trade Boozer (never liked the signing to begin with smh). At least see what's out there and if you can't get **** then oh well we'll have to suck it up til we can dump his salary.

Then we go with...

Rose/Watson
Ellis/Bogans
Deng/Prince
Boozer/Gibson
Noah/Asik

Get a combo C/PF, SF/SG, and SG/PG to fill out the rest of the team and we're good to go. IMO that team would be at least as good as last years team if not better.

JordansBulls
05-30-2011, 09:31 PM
Get some flipping offense. That wasn't Miami dominating defensively...that was Rose being the only option able to create his own shot. Made Miami's life very easy as the series progressed, more tired Rose got. Deng stunk and the others just cant create.

It was a combination of Rose not playing well and being the only guy who can create.

23dragonzord
05-31-2011, 12:01 AM
Plain and simple, Bulls need a Shooting Guard. Someone who will score around 20 PPG every night and take the pressure off D-Rose. My solution is to trade for Monta Ellis.

Now I now he's not the most attractive option at SG b/c he's about the same height as D-Rose but he's the best option with our limited resources and Golden State will no doubt be looking to trade him. So we package either both our 1sts this year or one this year and our 1st (not the Bobcats) with Korver and either Brewer or find a team looking to dump an expiring contract for cap space to add into the deal to make it work. Monta gives us a good #2 shooting option to go with Rose and Deng.

Then try and use our MLE to sign Tayshaun Prince or another Small Forward b/c we can't have Deng playing close to 40 MPG. Plus his veteran leadership would help us out a lot come Playoff time next year. Then use what ever else we got to get a fairly young veteran (33ish) Center/Power Forward for leadership and the Playoffs next year too.

After that I'd try to trade Boozer (never liked the signing to begin with smh). At least see what's out there and if you can't get **** then oh well we'll have to suck it up til we can dump his salary.

Then we go with...

Rose/Watson
Ellis/Bogans
Deng/Prince
Boozer/Gibson
Noah/Asik

Get a combo C/PF, SF/SG, and SG/PG to fill out the rest of the team and we're good to go. IMO that team would be at least as good as last years team if not better.

why would golden state accept that deal? 2 firsts that are in the late 20s and a specialist player? at least put in the bobcats pick to make it realistic

dodie53
05-31-2011, 12:09 AM
upgrade at the 2.

WHODAT8o8
05-31-2011, 12:34 AM
Do to wade what wade did to Rondo

Slimsim
05-31-2011, 12:37 AM
As much as i hate to say it Miami is going to torment and abuse each and every single team in the east for the next 4-5 years. Even if Chicago get a Above average SG they wouldn't be able to out score or defend Miami. Rose and Durant might have to wait till LBJ ,wade and yea even bosh to retire.

John Walls Era
05-31-2011, 12:39 AM
Rose better start doing some recruiting... but for starters they can try to trade Boozer away for some cap relief.

JasonJohnHorn
05-31-2011, 12:48 AM
Convince the officials to actually make the right calls.

Just saying.

TheRunKiller
05-31-2011, 12:52 AM
Do to wade what wade did to Rondo

haha i like it. but i'd rather get Howard

cutiepie80
05-31-2011, 01:38 AM
A couple of things.................

Everyone thinks that Miami is superior to Chicago and the rest of the east right now. 2 months ago everyone was laughing at them. Chicago didn't get crushed by the heat, every single game was preety much down to the last five minutes besides game one. A call here or there could have done the outcome. For anyone saying the Heat will will the East the next 4 years is just caught in the moment. D Wade is almost 30, Bosh and LBJ are deadly, but Wade has maybe 2-3 years left of really good ball in him.

Second off.....if the magic don't attain D WIll or Paul, he is gone. If the Lakers don't throw in Bynum, he's not going to be a laker. I know everyone loves to say every single player is underrated on the bulls, including Rose....but they easily have the best group to make a trade for d12. They also have 3 first round picks and a possible lottery pick.

I am just going to sit back and see what happens, but everyone is predeicting the heat to win the next 6 rings and that d12 is unattainable. Otis Smith isn't the best gm in the league, but he will take what he can get after begging for D Will and CP3. Those won't happen. And for the nets fans, you have nothing to offer to bring him to New Jersey. It will be down to the lakers and bulls attaining his services. You either go to a team that has a bunch of solid young players and the mvp, or kobe and a few good players and the hollywood lifestyle.

cutiepie80
05-31-2011, 01:40 AM
As much as i hate to say it Miami is going to torment and abuse each and every single team in the east for the next 4-5 years. Even if Chicago get a Above average SG they wouldn't be able to out score or defend Miami. Rose and Durant might have to wait till LBJ ,wade and yea even bosh to retire.

You act like Miami was just so good on d, Chicago was AWFUL and couldn't make a **** against them....not because of their d they just missed wide open shots like they didnt during the regular season.

I'm not dissing them on the d front they brought, but Chicago's o just came up way short.

northsider
05-31-2011, 01:51 AM
Yeah the funny part is people REALLY are forgetting how easy these games could of gone either way.

Miami played great but, by no means were we blown out or not in those games. I think personally not blowing up our team and just adding a better SG and someone who can create and we will be just fine.

I mean I understand we were beat in 5 games but, I am shocked how many people are acting like those games weren't just as much ours for the taking.

The question shouldn't of been what can Chicago do to deal with Miami I think it should be what can other teams do to deal with Miami. I am pretty damn proud of how we played regardless of the outcome. We were beat late in pretty much every game and hats off to Miami they were able to close better then us but, I am not willing to think the sky is falling. I believe our team will be and stay a contender for a while and battle Miami for the next few years. We are still a pretty young team with pieces that kind of fell into there own this season. The right adjustments and a more prepared team and we are right back in this position again.

ryang
05-31-2011, 01:54 AM
wade has 2 or 3 years left?? Wow someone is confused

cutiepie80
05-31-2011, 02:01 AM
wade has 2 or 3 years left?? Wow someone is confused

Ummm, no I'm not. Guy gets injured A LOT and was somewhat shut down by Keith BOGANS and Ronnie Brewer. If you think Wade will be better then Kobe t his age you sir are mistaken. Wade has used and abused his body more then anyone else in this league. He has 3 years tops to perform to what he has done. I already see the decline and call me nuts for saying that.

LakersIn5
05-31-2011, 02:33 AM
nothing. the heat have locked up the eastern conference championship for the next 7 years

ryang
05-31-2011, 02:38 AM
Whatever 3 YEARS... your right every team that went after wade this year offering over 100 mill were like hey 3 years tops come on use some logic

stlbest5in2013
05-31-2011, 02:38 AM
Sign Jamal Crawford or trade for O.J. Mayo. I'm pretty sure the Bulls do have the cap space to not have to sign Crawford to the MLE. Also maybe get a backup forward, in particular a small forward.


bulls have no cap space, their cap for this season was 2.9 million and noah's salary goes up 6 million next year

TheHighLife
05-31-2011, 02:42 AM
Trade Boozer

ryang
05-31-2011, 02:43 AM
hope the HEAT dont make any upgrades and they sign dwight and s.jackson

CubsFan69
05-31-2011, 02:54 AM
During the summer, I jumped on the offseason bandwagon. With Bosh, Wade and Lebron. With questions and a big sigh, I jumped on the Melo to Chicago bandwagon. Now this.... Howard fiasco. Sorry, My heart can't take another rejection. 1st time shame on you... 2nd time shame on me. The 3rd time......

I'll believe it when it happens.