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Gators123
05-28-2011, 01:59 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/Chris_Broussard

Chris_Broussard-

Cavs, Pistons, Twolves discussing 3-team trade that would give Cavs 1st & 2nd picks, sources say.


Chris_Broussard

Cavs absorb Rip Hamilton into 14.6 mill trade exception & get Det's 8th pick. Cavs send 4th & 8th picks to Minny for 2nd pick

John Walls Era
05-28-2011, 02:00 PM
I like this for the Cavs. This draft's talent is pretty avg.

NBAfan4life
05-28-2011, 02:01 PM
I like Derek Williams more than any player that the Cavs or Pistons could possibly send. Minnasota might just prove that while I live in MN I have trouble supporting them.

They better stick to the Indiana rumor if anything.

ManRam
05-28-2011, 02:03 PM
That would be cool for the Cavs.

Rip still has two years left on his contract at just under $13M a year, so he's not cheap...but I think he'd be a good fit. They could use another veteran leader. I get that he wasn't great last year, but he wasn't bad.

Williams and Kyrie would just be amazing for Cleveland. Totally worth it IMO.

Sadds The Gr8
05-28-2011, 02:03 PM
Gators123 needs to hand in his resume and work for ESPN. This guy always has the latest trade updates.

and what are the Pistons getting?

NYMetropolitans
05-28-2011, 02:05 PM
This would be a complete win for Cleveland.

jockrider
05-28-2011, 02:05 PM
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Cavs would then draft Kyrie No. 1 and Derrick Williams No. 2. Nothing imminent but trade us being discussed by the teams.
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Chris Broussard
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Cavs absorb Rip Hamilton into 14.6 mill trade exception & get Det's 8th pick. Cavs send 4th & 8th picks to Minny for 2nd pick

-Kobe24-TJ19-
05-28-2011, 02:05 PM
Cavs absorb Rip Hamilton into 14.6 mill trade exception & get Det's 8th pick. Cavs send 4th & 8th picks to Minny for 2nd pick

http://twitter.com/#!/Chris_Broussard

daleja424
05-28-2011, 02:07 PM
this looks great for cleveland... and pretty solid for minny... but why on earth would detroit do this?

netsgiantsyanks
05-28-2011, 02:09 PM
if this goes through, it'll be crazy. too bad it most likely won't.

Gators123
05-28-2011, 02:10 PM
A couple Pistons beat writers...

vgoodwill Vincent Goodwill

Source: #Pistons wouldn't trade Rip, who's almost becoming an expiring contract w/lockout coming, and get rid of a draft pick



Vee_Ellis4Freep Vincent Ellis

Source: Pistons aren't in discussions with Cavs, Timberwolves.

fadedmario
05-28-2011, 02:12 PM
this looks great for cleveland... and pretty solid for minny... but why on earth would detroit do this?

Because this draft blows and we lose 14 million a year off our payroll.

Dash
05-28-2011, 02:12 PM
WOW.........

We get no 8th pick??

GTFO

daleja424
05-28-2011, 02:13 PM
good update Gators.... sounds pretty dumb to me to. There must be something else involved (Hickson going to detroit perhaps?)

Branwegner84
05-28-2011, 02:13 PM
Am I missing something here??? The Pistons trade the #8th pick and Rip for nothing???

Dash
05-28-2011, 02:13 PM
So Cavs are about to get 1 2 and 8th pick, you have got to be ******** me

Sadds The Gr8
05-28-2011, 02:13 PM
Because this draft blows and we lose 14 million a year off our payroll.

so u'd be willing to give up a pick just to get rid of Rip?

daleja424
05-28-2011, 02:14 PM
Because this draft blows and we lose 14 million a year off our payroll.

Thats true... probably not a superstar guy there... but it would be silly to trade away that pick just to get rid of Rip... that would piss me off if I was a Pistons fan

daleja424
05-28-2011, 02:14 PM
So Cavs are about to get 1 2 and 8th pick, you have got to be ******** me

no...8 moves to minny with 4 according to the reports...

Master Mind
05-28-2011, 02:16 PM
Is this the last straw for Dumars?

fadedmario
05-28-2011, 02:16 PM
Thats true... probably not a superstar guy there... but it would be silly to trade away that pick just to get rid of Rip... that would piss me off if I was a Pistons fan

I'm sure we'll get something back (maybe a 2012 1st rounder). Cleveland is going to want this deal bad to get the top 2 players in this draft...

melllooo
05-28-2011, 02:17 PM
good deal for the cavs.. but what happens with B.Davis?

fadedmario
05-28-2011, 02:17 PM
so u'd be willing to give up a pick just to get rid of Rip?

I trust Dumars.

Hulk6
05-28-2011, 02:18 PM
so the twolves get the 4th and 8th picks?

fadedmario
05-28-2011, 02:22 PM
so the twolves get the 4th and 8th picks?

I don't understand why Minny would trade number 2. The dropoff is huge after the first 2 are gone. Maybe they are interested in Brandon Knight??

JWO35
05-28-2011, 02:23 PM
I don't like it, unless the Pistons get Minnesota or Cleveland's 1st round pick next year...

Hawkeye15
05-28-2011, 02:24 PM
probably another b.s. rumor. The Wolves already have Beasley and Love, as well as Randolph and Wesley Johnson, so Derrick Williams just doesn't seem like a great fit. And he isn't good enough imo to warrant forcing the issue if they can get something for him. #4 would allow them to draft Kanter probably. And #8 could net them a defensive wing.

Like I said though, not really buying into this. Wolves have said they need vets badly so why would they take on 2 rookies in a weak draft? Unless its Kahn creating more assets by getting another pick, which still doesn't make sense, because we would now have 3 picks in the first round.

Hulk6
05-28-2011, 02:29 PM
i agree, i find this hard to believe

Sadds The Gr8
05-28-2011, 02:29 PM
probably another b.s. rumor. The Wolves already have Beasley and Love, as well as Randolph and Wesley Johnson, so Derrick Williams just doesn't seem like a great fit. And he isn't good enough imo to warrant forcing the issue if they can get something for him. #4 would allow them to draft Kanter probably. And #8 could net them a defensive wing.

Like I said though, not really buying into this. Wolves have said they need vets badly so why would they take on 2 rookies in a weak draft? Unless its Kahn creating more assets by getting another pick, which still doesn't make sense, because we would now have 3 picks in the first round.

Wolves should take Kanter...

Dash
05-28-2011, 02:30 PM
probably another b.s. rumor. The Wolves already have Beasley and Love, as well as Randolph and Wesley Johnson, so Derrick Williams just doesn't seem like a great fit. And he isn't good enough imo to warrant forcing the issue if they can get something for him. #4 would allow them to draft Kanter probably. And #8 could net them a defensive wing.

Like I said though, not really buying into this. Wolves have said they need vets badly so why would they take on 2 rookies in a weak draft? Unless its Kahn creating more assets by getting another pick, which still doesn't make sense, because we would now have 3 picks in the first round.

That's why there trading there #2 pick? To get 4th and 8th because they need to draft for need not BPA

To exactly not get Williams so they can get more talent with 2 picks.

jockrider
05-28-2011, 02:38 PM
I don't understand why Minny would trade number 2. The dropoff is huge after the first 2 are gone. Maybe they are interested in Brandon Knight??

they'd just take him 2nd then. especially since utah is seriously considering knight.

Hawkeye15
05-28-2011, 02:39 PM
That's why there trading there #2 pick? To get 4th and 8th because they need to draft for need not BPA

To exactly not get Williams so they can get more talent with 2 picks.

I am purely guessing. I don't know why Kahn would make the trade. I guess I will have to see the aftermath.

Totally random scenario, and an example only. Houston wants Kanter. Trade #4, #8 and filler for Kevin Martin.

But again, that was an example, and I don't see this trade going through.

iliketurtles24
05-28-2011, 02:39 PM
i dont like it, minny should get draft picks for next years draft, or vets, not weak players fro this year
but it is kahn so who knows?

Lake_Show2416
05-28-2011, 02:47 PM
seems like a good trade for all sides, it'd be nice just to have the 1st, 4th & 8th selection as well

smith&wesson
05-28-2011, 02:49 PM
this looks great for cleveland... and pretty solid for minny... but why on earth would detroit do this?

to get rid of rips contract.

Crackadalic
05-28-2011, 02:52 PM
So the cavs get Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams?

For some reason this whole thing seems like Gilbert sons is behind this. He's the real mastermind in this whole plan. I knew the little fuccer was up to something

TheHighLife
05-28-2011, 02:54 PM
I really wish the kings could hop in on these big trades.

Gators123
05-28-2011, 02:55 PM
3 Pistons beat writers said their sources say this rumor isn't true. Who knows.

Dash
05-28-2011, 02:55 PM
Not happening VGoodwill said it's not gonna happen.

http://twitter.com/#!/vgoodwill

Carey
05-28-2011, 03:00 PM
I think something else would have to be going to Detroit, also if some variation of this deal went done i wouldnt count on Minny keeping both picks, i think they are up to their ears in young talent, they'll use one if not both to try to get veteran help.

Carey
05-28-2011, 03:02 PM
Also even if this particular trade doesnt happen im getting the feeling Cleveland somehow ends up with Irving and Williams.

Ty Fast
05-28-2011, 03:14 PM
Am I missing something here??? The Pistons trade the #8th pick and Rip for nothing???

thats what it sounds like

Jordan45
05-28-2011, 03:16 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/news/story?id=6603100

Here is the link on the homepage of ESPN:

MelkyNYY
05-28-2011, 03:17 PM
thats what it sounds like

I love your sig.

Gators123
05-28-2011, 03:19 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/news/story?id=6603100

Here is the link on the homepage of ESPN:

Thanks.

Crackadalic
05-28-2011, 03:24 PM
The Wolves might get Kanter and Burks with 4 and 8

Flynn/Rubio?
Wes/Burks
Beasly/D-will
K-Love/Anthony Randolph
Darko/Kanter

Trade some of them for some veterans

Phenomenonsense
05-28-2011, 03:31 PM
Nah, no way the Pistons do this. I really see a BG +8th for 4th as the only trade the Pistons do this draft other than a "2 second round picks for a late first" deal for a team that doesn't want guaranteed money on the books.

faze38
05-28-2011, 03:32 PM
Great move for the Cavs that's a great way to bounce back from losing Lebron. Good move by Minn cause le't be honest they have no need for a PG with Rubio coming to the NBA next year and they really don't need Williams because they already have Beasley so it gives them a chance to bring in Enes Kanter and somebody else instead of just adding another SF/PF that will get limited time behind Love and Beazzy! My only question is what is Detroit getting besides a shot at a good FA in a sign and trade deal. That is kind of risky If it works out everybody will call them brillant but if they get nothing they are going to have some really pissed fans! I mean if I'm the Pistons I'm trying to bring in Randolph and maybe Flynn so I don't look like I got nothing in return just in case no big name FAs want to go to Detroit!

KDM1986
05-28-2011, 03:42 PM
Their would be more to this trade the whats been said. Detroit would be getting future picks and maybe a player of two. I like the part about rip being bought out by Cleveland and signing in Chicago.

rtcrules
05-28-2011, 03:47 PM
If you're the Cavs and there is a good chance Williams falls to 4, why get Minnesota involved? Just hold onto 1,4, and 8. This trade was almost done at the deadline but it was for the Pistons '12 first rounder and a Cavs 2nd. But I thought Rip killed it when he refused to go to C-Town.

LakersA's49ers
05-28-2011, 03:49 PM
Power move from Cleveland

gotoHcarolina52
05-28-2011, 04:14 PM
Great deal for the Cavaliers. They would likely be back in the playoffs within two seasons as a result of this trade.

KnicksR4Real
05-28-2011, 04:21 PM
good for cle

Hunter48MVP
05-28-2011, 04:25 PM
Great trade for the Cavs if this happens

godolphins
05-28-2011, 04:32 PM
Chris Broussard: "Forgot to mention that if trade happens Cavs would buy out Rip Hamilton. But may be smart to wait & see if amnesty clause in new CBA...."

ichitownclowni
05-28-2011, 04:34 PM
that would be give them 2 best players

cubswin25
05-28-2011, 05:18 PM
I'm sure we'll get something back (maybe a 2012 1st rounder). Cleveland is going to want this deal bad to get the top 2 players in this draft...

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Sounds like it's trading draft pick to get cap space. Seems like a similar deal to the Cavs/Clippers trade last year. With the Clippers trading their 1st round pick in a weak draft to get cap space by swapping Baron Davis/Mo Williams. Yes the Clippers probably thought their pick would be 5-8 range and number one. But the Pistons already know the player they are going to get at 8 isn't a star. So if you take away Hamilton 12.5m salary the next two years. It allows the Pistons to potentially go after a max free agent player. When it you look at it that way it makes, sense because the Pistons aren't trading Hamilton and 8th pick for nothing. They are trading it for cap space. The Bulls did the same thing last year, trading Hinrich and 17th pick for nothing. But it wasn't actually for nothing, it was for cap space to go after two max free agents.

cubswin25
05-28-2011, 05:22 PM
Nah, no way the Pistons do this. I really see a BG +8th for 4th as the only trade the Pistons do this draft other than a "2 second round picks for a late first" deal for a team that doesn't want guaranteed money on the books.

Gordon contract is worse, because it has three years left. No team is gonna take that for the 8th pick. The Pistons want to clear payroll, so I think they would do that deal in a second.

LTBaByyy
05-28-2011, 05:29 PM
Kyrie Irving
Rip Hamilton
D Williams
JJ Hickson
Varajao

6th man: Baron Davis




Welcome back to the playoffs Cavs

cubswin25
05-28-2011, 05:31 PM
I think it's a good trade for all three teams. It allows the Cavs to get Williams who they want with Irvin. Then it allows the Pistons to get rid of the headache Rip has become and clear cap space so they can go after a quality free agent. Yes they lose the 8th pick in the draft, but that player probably isn't going to be a star. While the Twolves obviously don't want Williams that bad, since they have Beasley,Love and others. But they also know he's seen as the second best draft prospect around the league. So trading down allows them to still get the player they want anyways and add another top 8 player.

cubswin25
05-28-2011, 05:32 PM
Kyrie Irving
Rip Hamilton
D Williams
JJ Hickson
Varajao

6th man: Baron Davis




Welcome back to the playoffs Cavs

We will see they are expected to try to buy out Hamilton and Irving/Williams might not be that good in their rookie seasons.

godolphins
05-28-2011, 05:36 PM
Would Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams be a good combo? I didn't watch them a lot last year

king4day
05-28-2011, 05:53 PM
Wish the Suns could do this:

So why don't we do this trade with the Pistons?:

Suns trade: Carter, 3mil, 13th pick
Suns get: Hamilton, 8th pick

This fills our SG hole for the next two years and also allows us to move up in the draft.

Gators123
05-28-2011, 06:00 PM
Chris_Broussard

Detroit won't do 3-team deal as proposed. Would need to get players back in return for Rip and 8th pick...stay tuned

topdog
05-28-2011, 06:02 PM
This did sound pretty lame for the Pistons but I forgot they have the behemoth contracts of Gordon and Villanueva as well. And they like their young players in Monroe, Daye, Stuckey, Will Bynum and that Euro guy who was out all of last year.

Sounds like Kahn might want to make some extra moves and maybe is sold on Kanter.

Who is the Cavs GM? That man deserves a pat on the back! lol

Gators123
05-28-2011, 06:12 PM
David Aldridge-

Source: absolutely no chance of supposed 3 way with CLE, MIN, DET happening. None. Zero. Why would Pistons have 2 give up first 2 move Rip?

ttam68
05-28-2011, 06:20 PM
Gators123 needs to hand in his resume and work for ESPN. This guy always has the latest trade updates.

and what are the Pistons getting?

Yeah I'm sure they shell out big bucks for each of Broussard's Twitter followers.

ManRam
05-28-2011, 06:20 PM
Yeah. I came here to post Aldridge's tweet too.

It just doesn't make sense for Detroit.

THE MTL
05-28-2011, 06:51 PM
Are the pistons that desperate to get rid of Rip?

Gators123
05-28-2011, 06:53 PM
Are the pistons that desperate to get rid of Rip?

Obviously not considering David Aldridge, Broussard, and Pistons beat writers are saying Detroit is not interested in that proposed deal.

knicks=love
05-28-2011, 07:16 PM
would the knicks trade up for the 8th pick or anything like that? i'm just wondering, i haven't been paying attention to anything :(

Phenomenonsense
05-28-2011, 07:26 PM
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Sounds like it's trading draft pick to get cap space. Seems like a similar deal to the Cavs/Clippers trade last year. With the Clippers trading their 1st round pick in a weak draft to get cap space by swapping Baron Davis/Mo Williams. Yes the Clippers probably thought their pick would be 5-8 range and number one. But the Pistons already know the player they are going to get at 8 isn't a star. So if you take away Hamilton 12.5m salary the next two years. It allows the Pistons to potentially go after a max free agent player. When it you look at it that way it makes, sense because the Pistons aren't trading Hamilton and 8th pick for nothing. They are trading it for cap space. The Bulls did the same thing last year, trading Hinrich and 17th pick for nothing. But it wasn't actually for nothing, it was for cap space to go after two max free agents.

I doubt you know what the Pistons organization wants more than me or Pistons sources? I never said Gordon's contract was better, simply that he was a far better player and thus would let us move up in a weaker draft. Now, if you think I'd give the 8th pick to get rid of Rip or BG, or if you think that the Pistons, when discussing this rip + pick deal earlier in the year, were giving up an unprotected first rounder, then you're crazy.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
05-28-2011, 07:49 PM
Heres the latest.


Detroit won't do 3-team deal as proposed. Would need to get players back in return for Rip and 8th pick...stay tuned
http://twitter.com/#!/Chris_Broussard
Sorry I didn't see the other post about his tweet.

HouRealCoach
05-29-2011, 04:19 AM
Minny can give them some damn body... If this trade was to go thru they could get Kemba Walker

NBA-GMaster
05-29-2011, 07:11 AM
If minny wants Kanter and want to trade Flynn, why not trade the #2 pick and Flynn to Jazz for Bell and #3 pick..
Minny lineup: Rubio, Bell, Beasley, Love and Kanter
Utah lineup: Flynn, Harris, Williams, Millsap and Jefferson

NBA-GMaster
05-29-2011, 07:30 AM
Buying out Rip?? If he's going to Bulls after the buyout why not make the Bulls involve..
no. 2 and 33 pick to Cleveland (trade 4, 32 and 54 pick)
no. 4, 28 and 54 pick to Minny (trade no. 2 pick)
Rip(after buyout) and cash from Minny to Chicago (trade 28 pick)
no. 32 pick to Detroit (trade Rip and 33 pick)

bigA9331
05-29-2011, 08:39 AM
After seeing the latest reports it doesn't look like this specific trade will go down, would of been a good deal for Cleveland.

JDMVP
05-29-2011, 09:19 AM
I think this trade will happen the fact that Minny wants to go down and Cavs have the no.4 pick to trade won't be surprise if they just do a 2 for 4 trade.

lvlheaded
05-29-2011, 10:07 AM
Im rooting for Cleveland to find a way to get that pick. A core of Irving, Williams, and Hickson would be great for them going forward

AI
05-29-2011, 10:33 AM
Irving and Williams both to Cleveland would be huge.

Tom Stone
05-29-2011, 10:39 AM
They only way this will happen , if detroit gets a little more, like a 15 to 20 pick or something.

Sly Guy
05-29-2011, 11:15 AM
this looks great for cleveland... and pretty solid for minny... but why on earth would detroit do this?

get rid of RIP. He hasn't been the ideal employee in quite some time.

29$JerZ
05-29-2011, 11:17 AM
Clearly Detroit would get something in return, you can't just trade a large contract and 1st rounder while getting nothing.

Question is do they want picks or young talent?
I'd have to assume they would ask for at least both.

JasonJohnHorn
05-29-2011, 11:26 AM
If the Pistons were willing to shed a contract at the expence of a draft pick, I think the Cavs would do better to keep three picks in the top 8 to improve their chances of getting young quality talent. Because the mock draft boards are indicating a variety of alternatives for the top ten picks, it seems to me that there will be talent that is near equal to the talent at 1, 2, and 3, at 6, 7, and 8. Now if the Cavs could swap that 8th pick and a vet for the second pick, I'd be down with that, I wouldnt trade the 4 and 8 for the 2 in this draft.

the funny thing about this, they are trading for Rip two years to late. They should have moved Big Z for Rip two years ago so that they could have had a shooting guard to hit shots in James's last run. That, not a scoring PF, is what they needed then.

Now is too little too late.

JasonJohnHorn
05-29-2011, 11:29 AM
Clearly Detroit would get something in return, you can't just trade a large contract and 1st rounder while getting nothing.

Question is do they want picks or young talent?
I'd have to assume they would ask for at least both.

Yes you can. The Suns gave up two first rounders just to have the Sonics take on Kurt Thomas's contract, and I believe all they were given was a second round pick, of 'future considerations'.

By taking on a huge contract, the Cavs are doing Detroit a favour and allowing them to clear capspace, which could prove more valuable than a draft pick. If the amnisty clause in the CBA allows Detroit to buy out charlie v's contract and not count against the cap, well, Detroit would suddenly have the money to buy up two or three all-stars in free agency, and could be in the running for Howard.

That said, I dont like the idea of trade a contract and a pick for essentially nothing.

JasonJohnHorn
05-29-2011, 11:30 AM
Im rooting for Cleveland to find a way to get that pick. A core of Irving, Williams, and Hickson would be great for them going forward

Dont forget Varajoa!

NBA-GMaster
05-29-2011, 11:37 AM
If the cavs really wants this to happen, they should trade their 2012 1st rd pick (top 5 protected) to detroit..
Cavs are happy with Irving and Williams, and probably keep Rip(if he wants to stay)
Wolves are happy for Kanter(4th pick) and rookie SG(8th pick)
Pistons are happy getting rid of Rip and having a 2012 1st rd pick

PROBLEM SOLVE!!

midwestmadman
05-29-2011, 12:02 PM
The pistons getting rid of rip and then rip getting bought out then assuming he signs with the Bulls would be great for him and Chicago. But the pistons only getting cap room doesn't really help us any. Normally I would think it's asinine to move the pick with this deal but this has to be the worst draft class in recent years. There really isn't much to draft after pick 5 so I could careless about our draft pick. I just would prefer to get a player back in this deal like a Ramon Sessions or something. We could use a true PG that can score also, he would fit that bill. You send me cap space and Ramon (since they will draft Kyrie #1 they won't need him and Baron Davis). I'm glad to drop Rip and #8.

twoearl
05-29-2011, 12:02 PM
If the cavs really wants this to happen, they should trade their 2012 1st rd pick (top 5 protected) to detroit..
Cavs are happy with Irving and Williams, and probably keep Rip(if he wants to stay)
Wolves are happy for Kanter(4th pick) and rookie SG(8th pick)
Pistons are happy getting rid of Rip and having a 2012 1st rd pick

PROBLEM SOLVE!!

As a Detroit fan I'd be happy with the a Cav's 2012 Top 10 protected. We still have our own pick which will be a top 10 probably and then the cavs pick which would be in the teens somewhere. I'd be happy with that... Next year draft will be LOADED and I mean LOADED!

midwestmadman
05-29-2011, 12:10 PM
Buying out Rip?? If he's going to Bulls after the buyout why not make the Bulls involve..
no. 2 and 33 pick to Cleveland (trade 4, 32 and 54 pick)
no. 4, 28 and 54 pick to Minny (trade no. 2 pick)
Rip(after buyout) and cash from Minny to Chicago (trade 28 pick)
no. 32 pick to Detroit (trade Rip and 33 pick)

Nice post! This would mean Detroit keeps there 8th, gets rid of Rip, who lands in Chicago. Cleveland gets thier picks, and Minnesota lands some additional picks at 32 and 54 (non-guaranteed contracts so their is no obligation to the salary cap (which is still in limbo). In this scenario everyone gets what they want.