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allSUAVE
05-26-2011, 09:53 PM
Here, we ponder what superstars—and I use that term lightly—are going to do when they become free agents years from now.

It's been this way for a while.

Since Lebron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh each decided to take unprecedented three-year contract extensions back in July 2006, everyone immediately began wondering about their intentions. Five years later, as the Heatles are poised to win the Eastern Conference in their very first season together, the attention is squarely on Chris Paul and Dwight Howard.

Will either—or both—follow the lead of LeBron James and seek the legacy they hope to leave on the game elsewhere? Or will they stay true to their teams and follow the examples set by Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Pierce?

That, we don't know.

What we do know, however, is that if Dwight Howard opts to leave Orlando, the right decision would be to join the New York Knicks.

Some have dismissed the possibility of the Knicks adding Dwight Howard, mainly because they lack enough attractive assets in the form of All-Star caliber players on rookie contracts, draft picks and trade exceptions.

What those people need to remember, however, is the meaning of the term free agent. Quite simply, Carmelo Anthony forced a trade to the Knicks because of the fear of losing an astronomical sum of money by opting for free agency—and hence being subjected to the new rules of the to-be-negotiated CBA.

Dwight Howard, no matter what, will be subjected to that new CBA. So, in his situation, forcing a trade isn't a necessity. Additionally, because the Knicks currently have commitments to only three players for the 2012-2013 season (Amar'e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony and Renaldo Balkman), it is very possible—and even likely—that they will manage their situation to preserve the ability to extend Dwight Howard a contract as a free agent (there's that term again).

All in all, the meaning here is simple. If Dwight decides that joining the Knicks is in his best interest, he can present the Magic with the ultimatum that Carmelo Anthony never presented to the Nuggets:

Trade me to New York and get what you can get or lose me for nothing.

Again, this would require the Knicks to intelligently manage their cap situation. Because only by maintaining their cap space can they create leverage and force Orlando's hand. Regardless, the point is this: A lack of "assets" would mean nothing if Dwight let it be known that he was heading to the Knicks—with or without Orlando's assistance.

But the bigger question is, why would Dwight Howard want to go to the Knicks?

The simple answer: Because it's the perfect situation.

More perfect than forcing a trade to the Los Angeles Lakers?

Absolutely.

While a trade to the Lakers for Andrew Bynum and either Lamar Odom or Pau Gasol would make some sense for both the Lakers and the Magic, why should anyone, including Dwight believe that he would be able to win a championship with a shallow team and a—by then—34-year-old Kobe Bryant?

Derek Fisher would be 38, and Ron Artest would still be a maniac. Maybe Dwight Howard will have confidence that the Lakers will be able to rebuild around him. That wouldn't be a bad bet, considering Jerry Buss' impeccable tenure as owner. After all, the Los Angeles Lakers are the New York Yankees of professional basketball.

But my goodness, that leaves some awfully big shoes to fill.

That could be a problem.

And you know what else? It's at least worth thinking about.

Currently, the Lakers have over $60 million committed to only four players—Kobe, Pau, Artest and Blake—through the conclusion of the 2014 season. If Gasol is included in any Howard deal, Dwight would occupy that salary spot, so the numbers would be the same. How much would the Lakers be able to improve? How good will the Thunder be by then? The Trailblazers? The Grizzlies?

That being said, the Lakers, with Dwight Howard and Kobe Bryant, would probably have one chance—two at most—to win an NBA Championship. And frankly, I don't see a shallow team built around a 34-year-old Kobe Bryant beating the Miami Heat or Chicago Bulls in the NBA Finals (you know, assuming the Lakers got that far).

Even worse, if Dwight Howard and Kobe Bryant managed to win a championship or two together, what would that really mean for Dwight's legacy? He'd be mentioned alongside Vlade Divac and Andrew Bynum—Not George Mikan, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Shaquille O'Neal. He'd also be viewed similarly to how Lebron James is viewed now. That is, he ultimately lacked the courage to be something, instead, he merely wanted to be a part of something.

If Dwight Howard wants to be something, he should be the starting center for the 2012-2013 New York Knicks.

Immediately, with Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire flanking him on the wings, and Chauncey Billups (on a minimum contract) or even Toney Douglas playing the point, the Knicks would have a foursome ironically equipped to destroy everything by utilizing a triangle offense. Carmelo Anthony (28) and Amar'e Stoudemire (30) would be young enough to have at least four solid years of contending alongside Dwight (27), and the presence he would provide in the middle would be exactly what the doctor ordered for the New York Knicks.

Sure, you might have to replace Mike D'Antoni with a coach that would emphasize half-court execution, defense, discipline and triangle offense principles, but being that Mike D'Antoni is entering the final year of his contract, that's not a huge concern.

In terms of his legacy, winning even one championship with the New York Knicks would immortalize Dwight Howard. He'd be a living legend in New York City, and across the country. He'd be looked at as the final—and most important—piece that ended the Knicks' 40-year championship drought.

And worst case scenario, if the Knicks failed to get it done with Dwight, he wouldn't leave a legacy as someone who forced his way into a situation that was reminiscent of taking the easy way out. The Lakers, let's remember, are only one year removed from back-to-back championships. The Knicks on the other hand?

Ahem.

Let's just say that some Knicks fans were still satisfied with their season after being the only team swept out of the first round of the 2011 NBA Playoffs.

Ultimately, for Dwight, joining the Knicks would be the best decision because it's a low-risk, high-reward move. The team desperately needs his size and his skill set, and Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire's games—with the right offensive philosophy—would complement him well. They would have the collection of talent and personnel to overthrow Miami, Chicago and Oklahoma City. The same couldn't be said if he joined the Lakers.

Best of all, in New York, the Knicks would have more time and opportunity to accomplish great things than Dwight's Lakers would.


With Carmelo and Amar'e, Dwight Could Deliver What Patrick Ewing Couldn't
Elsa/Getty Images
Some say that Dwight won't end up in New York because he isn't a "New York Guy."

Well, nobody—except Stephen A. Smith of ESPN New York and Alan Hahn of New York Newsday—thought Lebron James was a "Miami guy."

But guess what? Lebron chose what he thought was best for his legacy.

And in terms of Dwight's legacy...

Two championships in Los Angeles? Yawn.

(Kareem still doesn't have a statue.)

One in New York? Fawn. Eternal.

So the question is, does Dwight Howard want to be a part of something, or does he want to be something?

That, we don't know.

But what we can hope, is that he has better advisors and better foresight than Lebron James did back in July 2010.

He needs to be something...

So why not be the final pillar to a dynasty?

210Don
05-26-2011, 09:55 PM
tl;dr

Gibby23
05-26-2011, 10:00 PM
Here, we ponder what superstars—and I use that term lightly—are going to do when they become free agents years from now.

It's been this way for a while.

Since Lebron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh each decided to take unprecedented three-year contract extensions back in July 2006, everyone immediately began wondering about their intentions. Five years later, as the Heatles are poised to win the Eastern Conference in their very first season together, the attention is squarely on Chris Paul and Dwight Howard.

Will either—or both—follow the lead of LeBron James and seek the legacy they hope to leave on the game elsewhere? Or will they stay true to their teams and follow the examples set by Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Pierce?

That, we don't know.

What we do know, however, is that if Dwight Howard opts to leave Orlando, the right decision would be to join the New York Knicks.

Some have dismissed the possibility of the Knicks adding Dwight Howard, mainly because they lack enough attractive assets in the form of All-Star caliber players on rookie contracts, draft picks and trade exceptions.

What those people need to remember, however, is the meaning of the term free agent. Quite simply, Carmelo Anthony forced a trade to the Knicks because of the fear of losing an astronomical sum of money by opting for free agency—and hence being subjected to the new rules of the to-be-negotiated CBA.

Dwight Howard, no matter what, will be subjected to that new CBA. So, in his situation, forcing a trade isn't a necessity. Additionally, because the Knicks currently have commitments to only three players for the 2012-2013 season (Amar'e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony and Renaldo Balkman), it is very possible—and even likely—that they will manage their situation to preserve the ability to extend Dwight Howard a contract as a free agent (there's that term again).

All in all, the meaning here is simple. If Dwight decides that joining the Knicks is in his best interest, he can present the Magic with the ultimatum that Carmelo Anthony never presented to the Nuggets:

Trade me to New York and get what you can get or lose me for nothing.

Again, this would require the Knicks to intelligently manage their cap situation. Because only by maintaining their cap space can they create leverage and force Orlando's hand. Regardless, the point is this: A lack of "assets" would mean nothing if Dwight let it be known that he was heading to the Knicks—with or without Orlando's assistance.

But the bigger question is, why would Dwight Howard want to go to the Knicks?

The simple answer: Because it's the perfect situation.

More perfect than forcing a trade to the Los Angeles Lakers?

Absolutely.

While a trade to the Lakers for Andrew Bynum and either Lamar Odom or Pau Gasol would make some sense for both the Lakers and the Magic, why should anyone, including Dwight believe that he would be able to win a championship with a shallow team and a—by then—34-year-old Kobe Bryant?

Derek Fisher would be 38, and Ron Artest would still be a maniac. Maybe Dwight Howard will have confidence that the Lakers will be able to rebuild around him. That wouldn't be a bad bet, considering Jerry Buss' impeccable tenure as owner. After all, the Los Angeles Lakers are the New York Yankees of professional basketball.

But my goodness, that leaves some awfully big shoes to fill.

That could be a problem.

And you know what else? It's at least worth thinking about.

Currently, the Lakers have over $60 million committed to only four players—Kobe, Pau, Artest and Blake—through the conclusion of the 2014 season. If Gasol is included in any Howard deal, Dwight would occupy that salary spot, so the numbers would be the same. How much would the Lakers be able to improve? How good will the Thunder be by then? The Trailblazers? The Grizzlies?

That being said, the Lakers, with Dwight Howard and Kobe Bryant, would probably have one chance—two at most—to win an NBA Championship. And frankly, I don't see a shallow team built around a 34-year-old Kobe Bryant beating the Miami Heat or Chicago Bulls in the NBA Finals (you know, assuming the Lakers got that far).

Even worse, if Dwight Howard and Kobe Bryant managed to win a championship or two together, what would that really mean for Dwight's legacy? He'd be mentioned alongside Vlade Divac and Andrew Bynum—Not George Mikan, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Shaquille O'Neal. He'd also be viewed similarly to how Lebron James is viewed now. That is, he ultimately lacked the courage to be something, instead, he merely wanted to be a part of something.

If Dwight Howard wants to be something, he should be the starting center for the 2012-2013 New York Knicks.

Immediately, with Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire flanking him on the wings, and Chauncey Billups (on a minimum contract) or even Toney Douglas playing the point, the Knicks would have a foursome ironically equipped to destroy everything by utilizing a triangle offense. Carmelo Anthony (28) and Amar'e Stoudemire (30) would be young enough to have at least four solid years of contending alongside Dwight (27), and the presence he would provide in the middle would be exactly what the doctor ordered for the New York Knicks.

Sure, you might have to replace Mike D'Antoni with a coach that would emphasize half-court execution, defense, discipline and triangle offense principles, but being that Mike D'Antoni is entering the final year of his contract, that's not a huge concern.

In terms of his legacy, winning even one championship with the New York Knicks would immortalize Dwight Howard. He'd be a living legend in New York City, and across the country. He'd be looked at as the final—and most important—piece that ended the Knicks' 40-year championship drought.

And worst case scenario, if the Knicks failed to get it done with Dwight, he wouldn't leave a legacy as someone who forced his way into a situation that was reminiscent of taking the easy way out. The Lakers, let's remember, are only one year removed from back-to-back championships. The Knicks on the other hand?

Ahem.

Let's just say that some Knicks fans were still satisfied with their season after being the only team swept out of the first round of the 2011 NBA Playoffs.

Ultimately, for Dwight, joining the Knicks would be the best decision because it's a low-risk, high-reward move. The team desperately needs his size and his skill set, and Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire's games—with the right offensive philosophy—would complement him well. They would have the collection of talent and personnel to overthrow Miami, Chicago and Oklahoma City. The same couldn't be said if he joined the Lakers.

Best of all, in New York, the Knicks would have more time and opportunity to accomplish great things than Dwight's Lakers would.


With Carmelo and Amar'e, Dwight Could Deliver What Patrick Ewing Couldn't
Elsa/Getty Images
Some say that Dwight won't end up in New York because he isn't a "New York Guy."

Well, nobody—except Stephen A. Smith of ESPN New York and Alan Hahn of New York Newsday—thought Lebron James was a "Miami guy."

But guess what? Lebron chose what he thought was best for his legacy.

And in terms of Dwight's legacy...

Two championships in Los Angeles? Yawn.

(Kareem still doesn't have a statue.)

One in New York? Fawn. Eternal.

So the question is, does Dwight Howard want to be a part of something, or does he want to be something?

That, we don't know.

But what we can hope, is that he has better advisors and better foresight than Lebron James did back in July 2010.

He needs to be something...

So why not be the final pillar to a dynasty?

Nice shot at LA, but who on the knicks has a statue? The Lakers have a had a bunch of great players and the top 5 Laker players of all time are all better than the knicks all time best player.

That said, The Knicks are the best place for Howard to go, but he needs to be there next year because Im not sure how long Amare and his knees will hold up, maybe 3 more years.

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 10:00 PM
You shouldve linked this to the source... unless your trying to pass this article off as your own work...

On topic.. hell no that wont happen.

jimbobjarree
05-26-2011, 10:01 PM
Surely playing with one of the best point guards in a large market in Brooklyn would be better for him than playing with 2 ball hogs in New York?

allSUAVE
05-26-2011, 10:04 PM
You shouldve linked this to the source... unless your trying to pass this article off as your own work...

On topic.. hell no that wont happen.

He wont be a Net so why not NY?

And Moke Hamilton from the knicks fix wrote it for the BR.

IT's an excellent read

allSUAVE
05-26-2011, 10:07 PM
Nice shot at LA, but who on the knicks has a statue? The Lakers have a had a bunch of great players and the top 5 Laker players of all time are all better than the knicks all time best player.

That said, The Knicks are the best place for Howard to go, but he needs to be there next year because Im not sure how long Amare and his knees will hold up, maybe 3 more years.

that's ok he got 4 more years left on his contract

JerseysFinest
05-26-2011, 10:10 PM
C'mon son.

How would the Knicks have cap room to sign Dwight Howard outright in free agency? The Knicks are locked into two maximum salary players, there is no way the Knicks can "maneuver their cap room" to find a way to sign a player of his magnitude. In the event the Knicks did get Howard, it's not going to change the fact Melo and Stoudemire still need their touches, if anything, it would stunt his career to go to New York because in addition, D'Antoni doesn't focus on defense.

JerseysFinest
05-26-2011, 10:10 PM
my fault, DP, internet browser closed for a minute

allSUAVE
05-26-2011, 10:13 PM
C'mon son.

How would the Knicks have cap room to sign Dwight Howard outright in free agency? The Knicks are locked into two maximum salary players, there is no way the Knicks can "maneuver their cap room" to find a way to sign a player of his magnitude. In the event the Knicks did get Howard, it's not going to change the fact Melo and Stoudemire still need their touches, if anything, it would stunt his career to go to New York because in addition, D'Antoni doesn't focus on defense.

If he cares about Winning that's the best situation and would take less.

if not, he should just stay in Orlando.

D'Antoni have one year left on his deal, bad year he's gone

JerseysFinest
05-26-2011, 10:15 PM
He wont be a Net so why not NY?

And Moke Hamilton from the knicks fix wrote it for the BR.

IT's an excellent read

He won't be a Net?
Can you also tell me the lottery numbers for the Jersey lotto also?

All subjectivity aside, the Nets and Lakers are much better situations for Dwight both on and off the court than with the Knicks. I'm not even hating on the Knicks, but there is honestly no way they get Howard. I'm sure there are non-Laker and Net fans that agree with that statement as well. Chris Paul on the other hand, is possible.

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 10:17 PM
If he cares about Winning that's the best situation and would take less.

if not, he should just stay in Orlando.

D'Antoni have one year left on his deal, bad year he's gone

:laugh:

-Evry 1 wantz 2 take ther j train strait 2 duh gahden...

-Why?

-Cuz it's duh mecca

allSUAVE
05-26-2011, 10:19 PM
He won't be a Net?
Can you also tell me the lottery numbers for the Jersey lotto also?

All subjectivity aside, the Nets and Lakers are much better situations for Dwight both on and off the court than with the Knicks. I'm not even hating on the Knicks, but there is honestly no way they get Howard. I'm sure there are non-Laker and Net fans that agree with that statement as well. Chris Paul on the other hand, is possible.

Please explain?

why is it better on and off the court for him to be a Net over the Knicks?

please.

Sixerlover
05-26-2011, 10:19 PM
If he cares about Winning that's the best situation and would take less.

if not, he should just stay in Orlando.

D'Antoni have one year left on his deal, bad year he's gone

Bad choice of wording. If he cared about winning he'd take less and sign with the Heat for the MLE.

If he wants the same fame as Carmelo and Amare were desperate for from the NY media he'd join the Knicks.

JerseysFinest
05-26-2011, 10:19 PM
If he cares about Winning that's the best situation and would take less.

if not, he should just stay in Orlando.

D'Antoni have one year left on his deal, bad year he's gone

If he cared about winning, he would go to New Jersey or Los Angeles or trust that Otis Smith till transform the team to a title contender. And you have to understand that seeing as the Knicks cannot and will not sign him outright, and they'd have to trade for him, and Orlando wouldn't want any part of Melo or Amare; they'd want youth, expiring contracts, and draft picks.

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 10:20 PM
He wont be a Net so why not NY?

And Moke Hamilton from the knicks fix wrote it for the BR.

IT's an excellent read

I think most people would agree that the Nets are a more likely destination than duh Knickz...

Theres no point debating it thou seeing as how he's gonna be a Laker. :shrug:

allSUAVE
05-26-2011, 10:22 PM
IDK Why Net fans always put themselves in position to be heart broken again :laugh:

DoMeFavors where you at

Crackadalic
05-26-2011, 10:22 PM
C'mon son.

How would the Knicks have cap room to sign Dwight Howard outright in free agency? The Knicks are locked into two maximum salary players, there is no way the Knicks can "maneuver their cap room" to find a way to sign a player of his magnitude. In the event the Knicks did get Howard, it's not going to change the fact Melo and Stoudemire still need their touches, if anything, it would stunt his career to go to New York because in addition, D'Antoni doesn't focus on defense.

Amare and Melo makes a combine 38 mil for the 2012-2013 season. We can pull a Miami and trade everyone else for capspace and sign him outright then sign vet min players. Of coarse we need to know what the cap number is after the cba is resolve but this is base on the current cba

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 10:26 PM
He won't be a Net?
Can you also tell me the lottery numbers for the Jersey lotto also?

All subjectivity aside, the Nets and Lakers are much better situations for Dwight both on and off the court than with the Knicks. I'm not even hating on the Knicks, but there is honestly no way they get Howard. I'm sure there are non-Laker and Net fans that agree with that statement as well. Chris Paul on the other hand, is possible.

How id Paul possible but not Dwight? they will both get the max. the Knicks cant get either

MagicBucsSox
05-26-2011, 10:28 PM
Why would a true star like Dwight join two ball hogs/no defenders? He'll the coach don't even preach Defense. Yet a 3x DPOY should join them? Rubbish

The words Dwight and Howard should result in an immediate ban, this is so outta hand

allSUAVE
05-26-2011, 10:30 PM
Why would a true star like Dwight join two ball hogs/no defenders? He'll the coach don't even preach Defense. Yet a 3x DPOY should join them? Rubbish

The words Dwight and Howard should result in an immediate ban, this is so outta hand

We'll see.

but Dwight is gone i hope you know that .Lakers is the likely destination. ENJOY :p

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 10:33 PM
IDK Why Net fans always put themselves in position to be heart broken again :laugh:

DoMeFavors where you at

So im guessing back in 09 your dream was getting two overpaid ball stoppers and getting swept in the first round ....................................








AGAIN?! :D

Need i remind you that the Knicks were ready to lick Lebrons nuts and give him a fancy dinner with a fancy cook and all these celebrities that would make it a lock that Lebron would be a Knick... except... oh right. But you got Melo!!! He took a pay cu-... oh dam... well.. at least Amare is healthy!

JerseysFinest
05-26-2011, 10:33 PM
Please explain?

why is it better on and off the court for him to be a Net over the Knicks?

please.

On the court:
Playing with Deron Williams, one of the most selfless and elite point guards in the NBA today. He would essentially find Dwight easy looks in the post, throw spot-on lobs for jams, would form perhaps the most devastating P&R combination in the league, and the list goes on. In New York, playing with two ball dominant players, Dwight would be getting minimal touches. It's not as if Melo and Stoudemire impact the game without the ball.

Off the court
Do you realize how much criticism Dwight will receive for going to the Knicks? Not that he won't get any if he leaves, but he will be regarded as one of the players who had to flock to other top players in order to win. Be mindful Dwight isn't like LeBron or Melo; He doesn't run to the spotlight. Sure he's very outgoing and personable, but it is easy to say he is very low key and reserved, something you honestly have to take into account. Seeing as the Nets are joining the NY media, he'll most likely encounter this issue as well, however in a much, much different sense. You mention if he brought a championship to NY he'd be immortalized, however if he brought a championship to Brooklyn, he'd be beyond that. He'd add to his legacy bringing winning back to a borough thirsty for pro sports. Playing under Mikhail Prokhorov would increase his global persona (Deron Williams recently became one of the top 50 or 100 known players on the planet, a list he previously never was on). Everyone from Russia to Australia will know who he is, and Prokhorov would put Dwight on the fast track to becoming one of basketball's only billionaires (something he promised James back in 2010).

JB0B0
05-26-2011, 10:34 PM
NY would be better off with Chris Paul rather than Dwight

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 10:35 PM
Why would a true star like Dwight join two ball hogs/no defenders? He'll the coach don't even preach Defense. Yet a 3x DPOY should join them? Rubbish

The words Dwight and Howard should result in an immediate ban, this is so outta hand

He used a Bleacher Report article and tried to pass it off as his own work... nuff said.

CLOSE THIS IDIOTIC THREAD

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 10:37 PM
On the court:
Playing with Deron Williams, one of the most selfless and elite point guards in the NBA today. He would essentially find Dwight easy looks in the post, throw spot-on lobs for jams, would form perhaps the most devastating P&R combination in the league, and the list goes on. In New York, playing with two ball dominant players, Dwight would be getting minimal touches. It's not as if Melo and Stoudemire impact the game without the ball.

Off the court
Do you realize how much criticism Dwight will receive for going to the Knicks? Not that he won't get any if he leaves, but he will be regarded as one of the players who had to flock to other top players in order to win. Be mindful Dwight isn't like LeBron or Melo; He doesn't run to the spotlight. Sure he's very outgoing and personable, but it is easy to say he is very low key and reserved, something you honestly have to take into account. Seeing as the Nets are joining the NY media, he'll most likely encounter this issue as well, however in a much, much different sense. You mention if he brought a championship to NY he'd be immortalized, however if he brought a championship to Brooklyn, he'd be beyond that. He'd add to his legacy bringing winning back to a borough thirsty for pro sports. Playing under Mikhail Prokhorov would increase his global persona (Deron Williams recently became one of the top 50 or 100 known players on the planet, a list he previously never was on). Everyone from Russia to Australia will know who he is, and Prokhorov would put Dwight on the fast track to becoming one of basketball's only billionaires (something he promised James back in 2010).

Your getting way ahead of yourself. However i agree that Dwight would be an idiot to go to the Knicks.

NYKnicksAllDay
05-26-2011, 10:38 PM
IDK Why Net fans always put themselves in position to be heart broken again :laugh:

Us Knick fans do it all the time too.

macc
05-26-2011, 10:40 PM
These Dwight to ______ threads are popping up everyday now.

Over/under 100 more Dwight to threads before next season starts?

JerseysFinest
05-26-2011, 10:41 PM
Your getting way ahead of yourself. However i agree that Dwight would be an idiot to go to the Knicks.

I'm not getting ahead of myself CW lol, and he wouldn't be an idiot to go to the Knicks. There is just no practical way for it to occur unless like Crackadelic said they do what Miami did and erase everyone from the cap space minus Amar'e and Melo and go in. There are still media opportunities there since he wants to be an actor and what not, and the city is nice.

allSUAVE
05-26-2011, 10:41 PM
I'm saving a whole lot of quotes so when Deron Williams leave a fan base of two people Will cry and I will laugh, but for now I'll let you guys have your 1% of Hope :laugh: can't hold it in

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 10:42 PM
Us Knick fans do it all the time too.

Props to you sir. Every fan base does it.

JerseysFinest
05-26-2011, 10:43 PM
This isn't really anything to talk about, because in all likelihood, Dwight is either staying in Orlando or becoming a Laker. I'd prefer him staying and hopefully Otis gets some help for him.

allSUAVE
05-26-2011, 10:43 PM
Us Knick fans do it all the time too.

Trust, not me i've learn from Lebron

NYman15
05-26-2011, 10:44 PM
It makes too much sense to happen. I would love it but I dont think so. I have believed for a very long time Chris Paul will be a Knick but not Howard. The debate over cap space is useless at this point until the new CBA comes out. The fact is they only have 3 players under contract right now with Balkman most likely gone. I believe Donnie Walsh has been quoted as saying he expects to have max space in 2012. Right now they have 2 max contracts but we dont know the CBA and their is a chance of salary rollbacks for the entire league which would then lower their cap space even more. It has been reported the owners want rollbacks on players salaries and even if that doesnt happen their is question on what the cap would be with a hard cap in place. Some believe the cap will go down while others have said it would go up to about the luxary tax. The fact is we have to wait for the new CBA to come out. I dont think Howard is coming to NY but I do think Paul is but we have to know what the new CBA holds.

JerseysFinest
05-26-2011, 10:45 PM
I'm saving a whole lot of quotes so when Deron Williams leave a fan base of two people Will cry and I will laugh, but for now I'll let you guys have your 1% of Hope :laugh: can't hold it in

Your obviously a Nets hater. Can't say that about other Knicks fans because even though they think their franchise is better, they still respect other teams and wish for their success.

allSUAVE
05-26-2011, 10:45 PM
This isn't really anything to talk about, because in all likelihood, Dwight is either staying in Orlando or becoming a Laker. I'd prefer him staying and hopefully Otis gets some help for him.

this why i cant respect you, when you know damn well you want him to be a net

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 10:46 PM
I'm not getting ahead of myself CW lol, and he wouldn't be an idiot to go to the Knicks. There is just no practical way for it to occur unless like Crackadelic said they do what Miami did and erase everyone from the cap space minus Amar'e and Melo and go in. There are still media opportunities there since he wants to be an actor and what not, and the city is nice.

Yes he would. Dwight needs to be fed the ball. Playing with two overpaid ball stoppers and a team of scrubs would not be ideal for him.

JerseysFinest
05-26-2011, 10:48 PM
this why i cant respect you, when you know damn well you want him to be a net

Do you not want him to be a Knick? Doesn't every team's fanbase wish they had Dwight Howard? It's called being realistic. I want LeBron James, Dwight Howard, and Kobe Bryant on the Nets, but I know that's not happening. Realistically, he's going to remain a member of Orlando or go to the Lakers.

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 10:48 PM
this why i cant respect you, when you know damn well you want him to be a net

this. Anyone pretending they dont want Dwight is fooling NOBODY

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 10:50 PM
Do you not want him to be a Knick? Doesn't every team's fanbase wish they had Dwight Howard? It's called being realistic. I want LeBron James, Dwight Howard, and Kobe Bryant on the Nets, but I know that's not happening. Realistically, he's going to remain a member of Orlando or go to the Lakers.

However thats not what you originally posted.

allSUAVE
05-26-2011, 10:51 PM
Do you not want him to be a Knick? Doesn't every team's fanbase wish they had Dwight Howard? It's called being realistic. I want LeBron James, Dwight Howard, and Kobe Bryant on the Nets, but I know that's not happening. Realistically, he's going to remain a member of Orlando or go to the Lakers.

offcorse.

but you said '' I'd prefer him staying and hopefully Otis gets some help for him.''

:facepalm:

NYman15
05-26-2011, 10:51 PM
I also believe their is a chance Howard would go to NJ with Deron which would make some sense but they could easily say we want to go to the Clipps to play with Gordon and Griffin which would also make sense. D-Will could also say Im not staying and Im going to NY or going home to Dallas or wherever else but I do believe their is a chance Howard goes to NJ.

allSUAVE
05-26-2011, 10:53 PM
Net and Knick fans always would have respect for each other, but they just love their team too much lol

JerseysFinest
05-26-2011, 10:53 PM
However thats not what you originally posted.
Of him going to the Lakers or the Magic, I'd prefer him stay in Orlando

offcorse.

but you said '' I'd prefer him staying and hopefully Otis gets some help for him.''

:facepalm:

Yea, wheres this going? Of the two, I'd prefer he stay in Orlando than go to L.A.

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 10:54 PM
I also believe their is a chance Howard would go to NJ with Deron which would make some sense but they could easily say we want to go to the Clipps to play with Gordon and Griffin which would also make sense. D-Will could also say Im not staying and Im going to NY or going home to Dallas or wherever else but I do believe their is a chance Howard goes to NJ.

Agreed. If that happened. The Clippers would be a super team for the ages if that happened

JerseysFinest
05-26-2011, 10:55 PM
Net and Knick fans always would have respect for each other, but they just love their team too much lol

TBH, your absolutely right.

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 10:57 PM
Of him going to the Lakers or the Magic, I'd prefer him stay in Orlando


Yea, wheres this going? Of the two, I'd prefer he stay in Orlando than go to L.A.

ok but you didnt specify. It would've sounded better if you had posted that if not NJ then you prefer he stay in ORL

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 10:58 PM
I dont respect Knicks fans at all. They are a bunch of bums :D

TheHighLife
05-26-2011, 11:00 PM
If carmelo and amare can barely play together, I doubt Howard will make things better.

allSUAVE
05-26-2011, 11:02 PM
I dont respect Knicks fans at all. They are a bunch of bums :D

:rolleyes: lol vise versa :cheers:

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 11:04 PM
:rolleyes: lol vise versa :cheers:

lol...im serious... Theyre like... the scum of the earth xD

allSUAVE
05-26-2011, 11:06 PM
lol...im serious...

i know you hate us, we get the lebron treatment from u Net fans :p

Chill_Will_24
05-26-2011, 11:17 PM
i know you hate us, we get the lebron treatment from u Net fans :p

:nod:

sunnydayin'zona
05-26-2011, 11:22 PM
D12 and Amare do not compliment each other at all. Dwight's presence would clog the lane for amare to work offensively: see Shaq on the suns. There is not enough ball for these three players. melo's the only perimeter player, so unlike the way that the heat work offensively, one of D12/STAT would have the ball doing work down in the paint, and the other would have to get out of the way and essentially be out of the play, leaving the one with the ball doubled (or even tripled) in the paint.

plus, same idea applies to Melo posting up, you would have to have BOTH D12 and Amare out of the way, out of the play because neither of them have much of an offensive game outside of the paint. Sure, amare can make mid-range jumpers occasionally, but that isn't his game.

That big 3 would not blend even close to as well as well as the heat do. CP3 would be the best option for the knicks.

bholly
05-26-2011, 11:26 PM
If he cares about Winning that's the best situation and would take less.

if not, he should just stay in Orlando.

D'Antoni have one year left on his deal, bad year he's gone

I feel like maybe you just don't realize how cap-constrained they're going to be, and how unfeasible this is.

They currently have $39m in salary for that offseason just with Amar'e and Melo (I'm assuming that they somehow manage to get rid of Balkman and don't take on any other contracts for that time). Under current rules, you'd have to add a rookie-min cap hold for each vacant roster spot up to 12, so that's another 9 guys at that level (this year it was $473,000). Even if that were do decrease, to say $400,000, that's another $3.6m.

So that's $42.6m already in salary. At the current cap figure, $58m, they'd be able to offer him just over $15m, or $4m less than he could have in Orlando (or anywhere that could offer him the max).

So that's the best case scenario, and you still only have three guys and have to fill the roster with vet-min payers.

Now factor in the new CBA. It's almost certain that the cap allowance will go down. It's also likely that exceptions are going to decrease, so they'll have way less chance to build around their core once they're at the limit. It's also extremely unlikely that cap holds get removed - and in fact it's likely they'll get increased.

So even if you take into account some unrealistically large salary roll-backs, there's just no way. He'd have to take a HUGE pay decrease, and I promise you the draw of New York and those two guys isn't enough to overcome that much of a pay decrease and playing with a capped out roster without a real distributor. I can't say it's 100% not happening, but it's pretty damn close.

sunnydayin'zona
05-26-2011, 11:27 PM
best fit for dwight would be the nets

Slimsim
05-26-2011, 11:30 PM
I know we are getting someone idc who From the way things are looking miami would be in the finals every year if nothing isn't done

Dankster
05-26-2011, 11:55 PM
[QUOTE=sunnydayin'zona;18040460]D12 and Amare do not compliment each other at all. Dwight's presence would clog the lane for amare to work offensively: see Shaq on the suns. There is not enough ball for these three players. melo's the only perimeter player, so unlike the way that the heat work offensively, one of D12/STAT would have the ball doing work down in the paint, and the other would have to get out of the way and essentially be out of the play, leaving the one with the ball doubled (or even tripled) in the paint. QUOTE]

This is a very inaccurate statement. Take it from me, who watched every preseason and regular season Knick game this year, that all 3 guys (Stat, melo and D12) could coexist offensively.

Amare doesn't play basketball the same way he did 6-7 years back in Phoe where literally every pass he got he tried to destroy the rim. Like literally annihilate the dam thing he was (and still is) an incredible finisher in the paint. But now he has become probably the best big man perimeter shooter in the game not named Nowitzki. He's unbelievable from 15-18 feet out, so hypothetically if D12 was in NY it wouldn't "clog" up the paint as amare doesn't really hang out there too much.

I think everyone can agree he will probably end up either staying in Orl or going to one of those 3 or 4 supposed desired destinations of his. Obviously several variables will be involved including a new CBA will need to be factored in, but in todays game the star usually ends up going wherever they want to.

SP17
05-27-2011, 12:56 AM
It really depends on what the magic would do..If they trade dwight before the deadline he will surely not become a knick but if it reaches FA its a whole different story..

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 01:13 AM
Im not upset the Nets didnt get Carmelo because we got a better player, but for saying Dwight would be better going to the Knicks is wrong. Deron and Dwight together would be the best super team besides the Heat. All these Superstars are now teaming up so he and another one should team up and play for the Nets.

Ty Fast
05-27-2011, 01:16 AM
see below

Raph12
05-27-2011, 01:35 AM
Apparently the hard-cap will be around 50mil max, which means they'll only have 10m to sign someone in 2012, not enough for a max deal... The Magic would call his bluff.

Btw he'd be stupid to go to NYC where he'd be the third option behind two of the biggest hogs in the league.

Afridi786
05-27-2011, 01:38 AM
He needs to come to the Bulls or Thunder to get a title in the next decade, NY will probably get CP3 to form their trio, Miami already has their trio. Dwight if he wants to win has to force his way to one of those teams hopefully the Bulls. NJ has a lot of work to do, Bulls & OKC already made their conference finals.

SP17
05-27-2011, 01:54 AM
Its probably OKC...they got some assets for a dwight trade..

-Kobe24-TJ19-
05-27-2011, 04:02 AM
Melo and Amare are too big of a ballhogs to make it work.

Ebbs
05-27-2011, 04:21 AM
Heat, Nets, Thunder, Mavericks, Clippers, Grizzlies, Blazers, Bulls would all be better spots than NY.

Melo is a gifted scorer, but Amare is one dimensional getting up there in age and wpuld lose alot of value in a slow half court offense like you said.

Chill_Will_24
05-27-2011, 10:37 AM
He needs to come to the Bulls or Thunder to get a title in the next decade, NY will probably get CP3 to form their trio, Miami already has their trio. Dwight if he wants to win has to force his way to one of those teams hopefully the Bulls. NJ has a lot of work to do, Bulls & OKC already made their conference finals.

OKC and CHI are not on his list of teams (per reports). Its only NJ, NY, LA, and DAL

PhillyFaninLA
05-27-2011, 10:55 AM
My issue with this topic is that every team in the league can make a topic called Why (my favorite teams city) Would Be Perfect Spot Dwight and give you a lengthy post about why it is legitimately true.

There is not a team in the NBA that wouldn't be better and more competitive with Dwight. The best place for Dwight is any team he wants to go to that can offer Orlando fair value in return or Orlando.

blahblahyoutoo
05-27-2011, 11:03 AM
an elite pg, amare OR melo, and dwight would be better than
amare, melo and dwight.

Ripper Gein
05-27-2011, 01:30 PM
Everyone wants to be a LAKER and play at the MECCA of basketball the STAPLES CENTER!!!!

Kashmir13579
05-27-2011, 01:50 PM
you shouldve linked this to the source... Unless your trying to pass this article off as your own work...

On topic.. Hell no that wont happen.

+1

Kashmir13579
05-27-2011, 01:51 PM
Everyone wants to be a LAKER and play at the MECCA of basketball the STAPLES CENTER!!!!

Nobody thinks L.A is the Mecca of basketball. Nobody who's smart thinks The Garden is the Mecca. New York is the Mecca. Get over it.

Tony_Starks
05-27-2011, 02:03 PM
Dwight to New York? I was wondering how long before we started hearing this. Next up Deron Williams......

Ripper Gein
05-27-2011, 02:13 PM
Nobody thinks L.A is the Mecca of basketball. Nobody who's smart thinks The Garden is the Mecca. New York is the Mecca. Get over it.

Get over yourselves man NOTHING for the last 30 years qualifies the gahden as the mecca of basketball the Staples has more championship pedigree in its short time than the last quarter century in that rats nest.

Lake_Show2416
05-27-2011, 02:16 PM
cloud 9

Kashmir13579
05-27-2011, 02:19 PM
Get over yourselves man NOTHING for the last 30 years qualifies the gahden as the mecca of basketball the Staples has more championship pedigree in its short time than the last quarter century in that rats nest.

LOL. you can't even read. learn to read. read my post. then give me 20 pushups.

Rangers in 7
05-27-2011, 02:22 PM
Get over yourselves man NOTHING for the last 30 years qualifies the gahden as the mecca of basketball the Staples has more championship pedigree in its short time than the last quarter century in that rats nest.

u didnt read his post, he said NY is the mecca of basketball not the garden.....the knicks just happen to play in the mecca of basketball

on a side note id rather the knicks get cp3 as opposed to dwight.....and to those nets fan :facepalm: really nothing else to say other then when deron leaves ill be able to laugh in your face

Ripper Gein
05-27-2011, 02:25 PM
LOL. you can't even read. learn to read. read my post. then give me 20 pushups.

So if i say the Staples center is the mecca you wouldnt automatically say its the gahden?? learn to punctuate, then give me 25 vagina thrusts!

Kashmir13579
05-27-2011, 02:27 PM
So if i say the Staples center is the mecca you wouldnt automatically say its the gahden?? learn to punctuate, then give me 25 vagina thrusts!

LMAO. you have no defense for not being able to read my man. no defense.

thunderforce
05-27-2011, 02:39 PM
If the heat win it all , which they will . I bet they change the rules and he stays in orlando . The rules will be changed and teams will keep their superstars from now on which they should or if they move the loosing team will get a hell of alot more than 2 late first round picks thats for sure .

ohreally
05-27-2011, 02:42 PM
With Melo and Amare in the front court the Knicks definitely need a Howard-type center to have any chance in the playoffs. But while that threesome would give the Knicks the best chance at being competitive I really don't see how Howard and Amare could coexist. Howard would have to totally forego his offense and put himself in a less advantageous position to get offensive boards since he would then have to get out of Amare's way.

I wish I could think differently, and you never know what overlooked gems New York might pull out of a hat to make it all work, but two offensive front court players with little to no interest in defense doesn't seem like a recipe for a championship. And I was sick of the dreaming two years ago...it's getting awfully awfully sad at this point.

Young and Stupid
05-27-2011, 02:42 PM
:laugh2:

I love Knicks fans.

Dwight Howard will be a Laker or a Net. That's it.

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 02:43 PM
Surely playing with one of the best point guards in a large market in Brooklyn would be better for him than playing with 2 ball hogs in New York?

D-Will and a Bunch of scrubs Vs. Playing with Amare and Melo??? Hmmmm tough one!

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 02:44 PM
I think most people would agree that the Nets are a more likely destination than duh Knickz...

Theres no point debating it thou seeing as how he's gonna be a Laker. :shrug:

Net don't have the pieces to get him so Knick and the Nets are out of the picture.

Sorry!

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 02:46 PM
Yes he would. Dwight needs to be fed the ball. Playing with two overpaid ball stoppers and a team of scrubs would not be ideal for him.

Have you looked at the Nets roster...

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 02:48 PM
I remember the nets riding melo's dick for quite some time..instead you got your consolation prize (a really good one sure) but did you see d. williams face when he was introduced? he looked sick to his stomach at being traded to NJ....the nets ****ing suck!

Lmao This 100x...Espeically DoMeFavors!

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 02:54 PM
D-Will and a Bunch of scrubs Vs. Playing with Amare and Melo??? Hmmmm tough one!

Thats funny since Lopez seems to score over 30 everytime he plays the Knicks, Nets will only get better this offseason they nearly beat the Knicks this season when they were up by 20. Melo and Amare got swept by the aging Celtics. I think another "scrub" morrow had 30.

Kashmir13579
05-27-2011, 02:55 PM
:laugh2:

I love Knicks fans.

Dwight Howard will be a Laker or a Net. That's it.

LOL. See, thats the difference between you and i. I know there isn't a chance in hell that Dwight signs with The Knicks.. You on the other hand, generalize all Knick fans and then go on to say he'll be a Net.

keep your head up man.. the first step to getting Dwight is re-signing Deron.

Ripper Gein
05-27-2011, 02:56 PM
LMAO. you have no defense for not being able to read my man. no defense.

you are a superstar:eyebrow:

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 03:00 PM
Here's the thing....I don't think the Knicks or the Nets are gonna get him. As a Knicks fan, I love em but Dwight would be stupid to come here...YEAH I SAID. Unless we trade Amare for him then It wouldn't make sense for him. As a Knick fan I rather get a PG and a Defensive minded C. And as for the Nets, it would be even worst here's why.

1. He'll be playing for a team that will always be overshadowed. I mean he went threw that with Orlando...Does he really want to go thru that again?

2. Let say they do trade for him, You'll probably gonna have to give up Brook Lopez, Anthony Morrow (Possibly Humphries) and a Bunch of draft picks...So basically who's he playing with.

Orlando is his best fit...They been to the finals before. They just need a new HC and acouple pieces. If not Orlando then Dallas, but I doubt Dallas gets him too.

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 03:05 PM
Here's the thing....I don't think the Knicks or the Nets are gonna get him. As a Knicks fan, I love em but Dwight would be stupid to come here...YEAH I SAID. Unless we trade Amare for him then It wouldn't make sense for him. As a Knick fan I rather get a PG and a Defensive minded C. And as for the Nets, it would be even worst here's why.

1. He'll be playing for a team that will always be overshadowed. I mean he went threw that with Orlando...Does he really want to go thru that again?

2. Let say they do trade for him, You'll probably gonna have to give up Brook Lopez, Anthony Morrow (Possibly Humphries) and a Bunch of draft picks...So basically who's he playing with.

Orlando is his best fit...They been to the finals before. They just need a new HC and acouple pieces. If not Orlando then Dallas, but I doubt Dallas gets him too.

Who cares if a team is over shadowed? I dont see how that would annoy a player if they are winning. I dont think players care that much about that stuff you obviously think they do except LeBron and Wade didnt go to NY they went to Miami. It dont matter where you play or fan support it matters about wins. And Nets would have the best PG and C in the league at their positions and wings are easy to fill. PG and C are the hardest. If Nets got a 3 like Kirelinko that is a good defender it would stop Melo, nobody on the Knicks could stop Dwill and Dwight. Plus Dwight is friends with Deron most out of all the stars.

Young and Stupid
05-27-2011, 03:06 PM
LOL. See, thats the difference between you and i. I know there isn't a chance in hell that Dwight signs with The Knicks.. You on the other hand, generalize all Knick fans and then go on to say he'll be a Net.

keep your head up man.. the first step to getting Dwight is re-signing Deron.

A few things:

First, I simply said "I love Knicks fans." I didn't say "Knicks fans are delusional because they believe they're going to get Dwight Howard" or "Knicks fans are ludicrous because they believe that Carmelo Anthony is better than Deron Williams" or "Knicks fans are hilarious because they believe that they've assembled a super-team" or even "Knicks fans are nonsensical because they believe that they'll have the cap-space to add Chris Paul." I candidly stated that I enjoy the company of Knicks fans -- which I sincerely do -- nothing more, nothing less.

Do they make up one of the most deficient fan-bases in all of sports? Probably. But I'm a New Yorker, so I have to respect my fellow Knicks fans.

Second, I didn't say that Dwight Howard would be a Net. I claimed that he would be either a Laker (please note that I put this first on purpose) or a Net. Which I think we can all admit is true.

Third, there's no doubting that you're one of the best Knicks posters on PSD -- no doubt -- I have nothing against you. Quite frankly, I have nothing against Knicks fans because they serve as a form of entertainment; just as an arrogant idiot with literally no semblance of knowledge or intelligence would.

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 03:06 PM
Thats funny since Lopez seems to score over 30 everytime he plays the Knicks, Nets will only get better this offseason they nearly beat the Knicks this season when they were up by 20. Melo and Amare got swept by the aging Celtics. I think another "scrub" morrow had 30.

Funny because ever since Melo became a Knick he simply just embrasses them single handedly. And why would he wanna go to a team who would be up by 20 and lose or a team that beat you by 26 166-93 and one game have our trio score 95 points combine.

You talk about one game...funny thing with Morrow that was his game high for the whole season....and Brooks Lopez How many rebounds he have??? 1?

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 03:10 PM
Who cares if a team is over shadowed? I dont see how that would annoy a player if they are winning. I dont think players care that much about that stuff you obviously think they do except LeBron and Wade didnt go to NY they went to Miami. It dont matter where you play or fan support it matters about wins. And Nets would have the best PG and C in the league at their positions and wings are easy to fill. PG and C are the hardest. If Nets got a 3 like Kirelinko that is a good defender it would stop Melo, nobody on the Knicks could stop Dwill and Dwight. Plus Dwight is friends with Deron most out of all the stars.


Like you said IF???? Best PG and C, but who else? Your bench is terrible, your talking about Travis Outlaw and Brandon Wright and Gaines as your fullers....Good luck winning!

Plus who knows if D-Will is staying....He still didn't sign an extension

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 03:12 PM
Funny because ever since Melo became a Knick he simply just embrasses them single handedly. And why would he wanna go to a team who would be up by 20 and lose or a team that beat you by 26 166-93 and one game have our trio score 95 points combine.

You talk about one game...funny thing with Morrow that was his game high for the whole season....and Brooks Lopez How many rebounds he have??? 1?

Yeah the Knicks killed the Nets when they started
Farmar
Vujacic
Graham
Gadzurich
Lopez

sorry but thats a horrible line up they were without Deron, Morrow, Humphries

And who cares how many rebounds Lopez had, Humphries rebounds the ball well and it didnt stop Lopez from scoring.

allSUAVE
05-27-2011, 03:12 PM
Net fans :facepalm:

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 03:14 PM
Yeah the Knicks killed the Nets when they started
Farmar
Vujacic
Graham
Gadzurich
Lopez

sorry but thats a horrible line up they were without Deron, Morrow, Humphries

And who cares how many rebounds Lopez had, Humphries rebounds the ball well and it didnt stop Lopez from scoring.

For a 7'0 C you should care, thats just a disgrace...

And who said D-Will is gonna stay with the Nets? He didn't sign an extension so you guys might not have both players!

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 03:14 PM
Like you said IF???? Best PG and C, but who else? Your bench is terrible, your talking about Travis Outlaw and Brandon Wright and Gaines as your fullers....Good luck winning!

Plus who knows if D-Will is staying....He still didn't sign an extension

Yeah cause Vets dont sign with Contendors?
Who do Knicks have?
You play Shawne Williams, Turiaf, Walker, ANTHONY CARTER, please who do Knicks have?
And no Brandon Wright is a free agent. We got plenty of cap :D like 21 million!

Kashmir13579
05-27-2011, 03:16 PM
A few things:

First, I simply said "I love Knicks fans." I didn't say "Knicks fans are delusional because they believe they're going to get Dwight Howard" or "Knicks fans are ludicrous because they believe that Carmelo Anthony is better than Deron Williams" or "Knicks fans are hilarious because they believe that they've assembled a super-team" or even "Knicks fans are nonsensical because they believe that they'll have the cap-space to add Chris Paul." I candidly stated that I enjoy the company of Knicks fans -- which I sincerely do -- nothing more, nothing less.

Do they make up one of the most deficient fan-bases in all of sports? Probably. But I'm a New Yorker, so I have to respect my fellow Knicks fans.

Second, I didn't say that Dwight Howard would be a Net. I claimed that he would be either a Laker (please note that I put this first on purpose) or a Net. Which I think we can all admit is true.

Third, there's no doubting that you're one of the best Knicks posters on PSD -- no doubt -- I have nothing against you. Quite frankly, I have nothing against Knicks fans because they serve as a form of entertainment; just as an arrogant idiot with literally no semblance of knowledge or intelligence would.

haha good stuff man.

:cheers:

i think we understand each other now.

However, i think the bolded part speaks more to PSD as a whole than it does to Knick fans on PSD.

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 03:17 PM
For a 7'0 C you should care, thats just a disgrace...

And who said D-Will is gonna stay with the Nets? He didn't sign an extension so you guys might not have both players!

Dirks 7 feet and doesnt rebound well, Kevin McCale, lots of great players arent the best rebounders. I am not saying Lopez is up to them in anyway but a lot of 7 feeters are the best rebounders. And Deron cannot sign an extension untill the Summer. He said there is a great chance he will sign one in the summer so free agents know he will be there.

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 03:20 PM
Yeah cause Vets dont sign with Contendors?
Who do Knicks have?
You play Shawne Williams, Turiaf, Walker, ANTHONY CARTER, please who do Knicks have?
And no Brandon Wright is a free agent. We got plenty of cap :D like 21 million!

and TD is better then Half of your team...Outlaw, Farmer, Petro...are you kidding me:facepalm:

21 million I could of sworn you have cap room last year and your big free agent signing was Travis Outlaw and Anthony Morrow:laugh::laugh::laugh:

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 03:22 PM
Dirks 7 feet and doesnt rebound well, Kevin McCale, lots of great players arent the best rebounders. I am not saying Lopez is up to them in anyway but a lot of 7 feeters are the best rebounders. And Deron cannot sign an extension untill the Summer. He said there is a great chance he will sign one in the summer so free agents know he will be there.

True but Lopez is a horrible Rebounder...If you have a game with 0 rebounders then thats just sad. And he said theirs a great chance...BUT the Nets gotta prove they will be contenders which is gonna be hard to do because this year F.A. is bad and if you go into the season with the same roster...Dallas is looking really good right now...And guess what thats his HOMETOWN TOO... and just imagine they win a championship!

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 03:22 PM
and TD is better then Half of your team...Outlaw, Farmer, Petro...are you kidding me:facepalm:

21 million I could of sworn you have cap room last year and your big free angent signing was Travis Outlaw and Anthony Morrow:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Farmar is better than TD
and yeah can you blame the top free agents Nets were a 12 win team.
Knicks big free agent signing was 100 million dollars for Amare, after LeBron Wade and Bosh said no. Amare wasnt the number 1 choice for the Knicks. Also after all those years of waiting the Knicks got Felton! Sorry but Knicks did the second worst besides the Nets last season in free agency.

Kashmir13579
05-27-2011, 03:23 PM
The number one lesson to be learned on this thread is that people who quote DoMeFavors are no better than DoMeFavors.

roshan3ai
05-27-2011, 03:24 PM
Reading this thread is like watching the special olympics

YankeeClipper5
05-27-2011, 03:25 PM
The number one lesson to be learned on this thread is that people who quote DoMeFavors are no better than DoMeFavors.

Ouch.

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 03:26 PM
Farmar is better than TD
and yeah can you blame the top free agents Nets were a 12 win team.
Knicks big free agent signing was 100 million dollars for Amare, after LeBron Wade and Bosh said no. Amare wasnt the number 1 choice for the Knicks. Also after all those years of waiting the Knicks got Felton! Sorry but Knicks did the second worst besides the Nets last season in free agency.

:facepalm: second worst...Felton was averaging 17 and 8...and was nearly an All star....Plzzz...and just like LeBron and Bosh said no to us, they definitely said No to the Nets...and Even Carmelo turn down the Nets as well as Boozer. Amare wasn't our first option but he was an option that we got...Nets didn't get any of there options!

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 03:30 PM
:facepalm: second worst...Felton was averaging 17 and 8...and was nearly an All star....Plzzz...and just like LeBron and Bosh said no to us, they definitely said No to the Nets...and Even Carmelo turn down the Nets as well as Boozer. Amare wasn't our first option but he was an option that we got...Nets didn't get any of there options!

No Nets didnt want to overpay for fake players, Amare asked his agent to talk to the Nets and Nets wanted no part of him didnt even offer him a contract. Carmelo said a couple weeks ago he was going to sign with Nets but then Knicks got the deal done. Im fine without Boozer, I rather Humphries than Boozer. Felton wasnt nearly an allstar, you think he was but didnt get it. Felton was a bench player in Denver that ALL STAR was a bench player.

Kashmir13579
05-27-2011, 03:30 PM
Ouch.

:laugh2:

most of the time its true.

king4day
05-27-2011, 03:32 PM
If he's going to NY, then Amar'e is going to Orlando. Melo and Howard would be pretty lethal together.

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 03:36 PM
No Nets didnt want to overpay for fake players, Amare asked his agent to talk to the Nets and Nets wanted no part of him didnt even offer him a contract. Carmelo said a couple weeks ago he was going to sign with Nets but then Knicks got the deal done. Im fine without Boozer, I rather Humphries than Boozer. Felton wasnt nearly an allstar, you think he was but didnt get it. Felton was a bench player in Denver that ALL STAR was a bench player.

:facepalm:What a smart move...That fake player for a half season was leading his team to the 6th seed while you bench signings are leading you guys to the 10th seed...And when did Carmelo say he was gonna sign with the Nets??? I didn't see him say it, unless it was reported. Because Melo said he wanted to be a Knick and only a Knick.

Felton was nearly an allstar....and you talk about an all star being bench...Really So I guess Manu isn't an all star right>?

C'Mon man Felton was better then all of your signings.

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 03:39 PM
:facepalm:What a smart move...That fake player for a half season was leading his team to the 6th seed while you bench signings are leading you guys to the 10th seed...And when did Carmelo say he was gonna sign with the Nets??? I didn't see him say it, unless it was reported. Because Melo said he wanted to be a Knick and only a Knick.

Felton was nearly an allstar....and you talk about an all star being bench...Really So I guess Manu isn't an all star right>?

C'Mon man Felton was better then all of your signings.

Your proud of Amare leading the Knicks to the 6th seed in the East? Sorry but a lot of teams like Lakers, Mavs, Portland, Miami, Celtics, Spurs would be upset if they only got to the 6th seed in the East. You seem pretty happy about the 6th seed..you better get used to 6th seed for the next 5 years.

YankeeClipper5
05-27-2011, 03:42 PM
:laugh2:

most of the time its true.

C'mon Kash. You know that 60% of the time, It works every time.

mttwlsn16
05-27-2011, 03:43 PM
tl;dr

this :D

Kashmir13579
05-27-2011, 03:47 PM
C'mon Kash. You know that 60% of the time, It works every time.

:worthy:

AIMelo=KillaDUO
05-27-2011, 03:58 PM
Why would a true star like Dwight join two ball hogs/no defenders? He'll the coach don't even preach Defense. Yet a 3x DPOY should join them? Rubbish

The words Dwight and Howard should result in an immediate ban, this is so outta hand

Dwight plays with 3 ball hogs now... and an entire team that doesn't play defense? So what's your point? :\

AIMelo=KillaDUO
05-27-2011, 04:04 PM
Your proud of Amare leading the Knicks to the 6th seed in the East? Sorry but a lot of teams like Lakers, Mavs, Portland, Miami, Celtics, Spurs would be upset if they only got to the 6th seed in the East. You seem pretty happy about the 6th seed..you better get used to 6th seed for the next 5 years.

Bro, your team won 24 games this year... And 17 games the year before. What are you gonna tell us? (a playoff team)

I-4_Fan
05-27-2011, 04:04 PM
I could understand why you think Dwight wants to be in NY. It makes sence. But not with Stoudmire. you would have to give up Stoud.

Orlando would Give up some cap. Nelson/Bass/Howard/Q-Rich/ and give you guys Duhon back

We get Stoudmire/Turaif/Douglas

NY

Billups/Nelson/Duhon
Fields/Billups/Q
Anthony/Q
Bass/Sheldon W
Howard/Sheldon W

Orlando

Arenas/Douglas
JJ/Arenas
Turk/Clarck
Stoudmire/Anderson
Turiaf/?

It may open up some cap to get Dalembert or some one who is good a center. We are taking a huge hit, but if does want to leave, then I say it's better then getting lebroned.

It opens up for orlando to kind of start over but with players in place. We would just need a PG and a center. But depth is in tact and a superstar player is here.CP3 or D-will may look at it as an opperatunity to go to either of these teams if they can get under what ever the new hard cap would be.

But this is extremely hypothetical.Beacuse I believe the new CBA will set something up tat may push Howard to stay in Orlando. We'll see.

In all reallity. If it is true Howard wants to leave, and it is true he wants to be in LA or NY. Then I think NYC has the best trade piece if they are willing to give up stoudmire. Plus it would benefit NY because if they can take Billups of there cap. You guys may have cap to get CP3 who will druel over making a big 3 with his best friend Anthony and the titan in the middle. Bass is a bruiser in the paint and works well with Howard.

JasonJohnHorn
05-27-2011, 04:25 PM
Howard would fit in well with ANY team. There is not a team in the league that would jump into contendership with the addition of Howard.

But I believe Howard would ideally play most effectively with Kevin Love and CP3, and I dont care what city it is. Love can play the high pick-and-roll, pop out for the three, and CP3 can drive and dish, either to Howard, or to Love, or just take it to the hole. CP3 on perimiter defence, Howard in the post, and Howard would finally have somebody to help clean up the glass.

Amare would play well next to Howard, but I dont think Melo would. I think a SF with strong ball handling/passing skills with a great 3pt shot would be ideal for Howard.

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 04:36 PM
Your proud of Amare leading the Knicks to the 6th seed in the East? Sorry but a lot of teams like Lakers, Mavs, Portland, Miami, Celtics, Spurs would be upset if they only got to the 6th seed in the East. You seem pretty happy about the 6th seed..you better get used to 6th seed for the next 5 years.

C Mon son... Is that the best you can do?

You wanna know what team would be proud to be a 6th seed? A team that hadn't made the playoffs last year, I mean look at our jump...we went from 10 to 6? you guys went from 12 to 10 seed..I guarantee you you would trade your 10th seed for a 6th seed.

Amare probably the second best free agent signing and the fact the Nets didn't offer him a contract is embrassing

you better get use to your 10th seed for the next 5 years +

richiesaurus310
05-27-2011, 04:44 PM
Oklahoma City is the best situation for Dwight Howard, and is the most possible imo.

Russell Westbrook, Kendrick Perkins, Byron Mullens or Cole Aldrich, and Nate Robinson's expiring contract

FOR

Dwight Howard and Hedo Turkoglu

This is where Dwight could make himself a legend, playing alongside Kevin Durant. This would be the closest tandem to Shaq and Kobe we would see in the next decade.

Thunder:
James Harden
Thabo Sefolosha
Kevin Durant
Serge Ibaka
Dwight Howard

Hedo Turkoglu
Eric Maynor
Nick Collison

Magic:
Russell Westbrook
JJ Redick
Quentin Richardson
Brandon Bass
Kendrick Perkins

Jameer Nelson
Gilbert Arenas
Ryan Anderson

Whoever trades for Dwight will have to take Hedo or Gilbert with them, and the Knicks can't do that. I think OKC would and can though because Daequan Cook and Nazr Mohammed's contracts come off the books this offseason allowing the slaries in my trade to match. Plus the Magic would gain a 22 year old all start point gaurd, Perkins, and gain some cap flexibility with Nate's expiring and losing Hedo. Plus I believe Orlando would want to trade Dwight to a western confrence team.

Orlando is the 79th most popluted city in the USA, OKC is 31st.

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 05:17 PM
C Mon son... Is that the best you can do?

You wanna know what team would be proud to be a 6th seed? A team that hadn't made the playoffs last year, I mean look at our jump...we went from 10 to 6? you guys went from 12 to 10 seed..I guarantee you you would trade your 10th seed for a 6th seed.

Amare probably the second best free agent signing and the fact the Nets didn't offer him a contract is embrassing

you better get use to your 10th seed for the next 5 years +

knicks have the team they are probably going to have for the next 5 years, Nets isnt even close to what they will be next season. They had Deron for lik 12 games unhealthy. And Amare 2nd best? Id take Dirk, Wade, LeBron, KG, Allen, Pierce, Durant, Joe Johnson over Amare.

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 05:27 PM
knicks have the team they are probably going to have for the next 5 years, Nets isnt even close to what they will be next season. They had Deron for lik 12 games unhealthy. And Amare 2nd best? Id take Dirk, Wade, LeBron, KG, Allen, Pierce, Durant, Joe Johnson over Amare.

You act like Amare is The only one on the team..u forgot melo billups. And you act like we can't improve either. 2012 When CP3 comes here that's 3 stars to your POSSIBLE 2 so we'll be a 2 or 3 seed. good luck convincing d will to stay because you guys gotta win first and you don't get DWIGHT then d will is gone lol

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 05:42 PM
You act like Amare is The only one on the team..u forgot melo billups. And you act like we can't improve either. 2012 When CP3 comes here that's 3 stars to your POSSIBLE 2 so we'll be a 2 or 3 seed. good luck convincing d will to stay because you guys gotta win first and you don't get DWIGHT then d will is gone lol

Why are you still doing that? I thought after Knicks got Melo and Amare they would be done talking about other stars coming, that makes your franchise look awful. Plus I dont know how Chris Paul is coming there unless he takes like 8 million a year. Melo and Amare take up like 43 million in cap space thats crazy, with a hardcap of 50 they wont be able to sign Chris Paul unless he takes a major budget cut.

Chill_Will_24
05-27-2011, 05:42 PM
:laugh2:

I love Knicks fans.

Dwight Howard will be a Laker or a Net. That's it.

IDK I know you have been adamant that Dallas cant afford him but according to Ric Bucher Lakers have slipped on Dwight's list and Dallas has come up. His list is in the following order now (according to Bucher and his sources): DAL, NJ, LA

What do you think about that? Dallas is Deron William's home town too..

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 05:46 PM
IDK I know you have been adamant that Dallas cant afford him but according to Ric Bucher Lakers have slipped on Dwight's list and Dallas has come up. His list is in the following order now (according to Bucher and his sources): DAL, NJ, LA

What do you think about that? Dallas is Deron William's home town too..

If Deron wanted to go to Dallas it would be kinda hard since they have no one appealing to the Nets, since the Nets would want some young players back.

dtmagnet
05-27-2011, 05:48 PM
:laugh:

-Evry 1 wantz 2 take ther j train strait 2 duh gahden...

-Why?

-Cuz it's duh mecca

:clap:

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 05:49 PM
Why are you still doing that? I thought after Knicks got Melo and Amare they would be done talking about other stars coming, that makes your franchise look awful. Plus I dont know how Chris Paul is coming there unless he takes like 8 million a year. Melo and Amare take up like 43 million in cap space thats crazy, with a hardcap of 50 they wont be able to sign Chris Paul unless he takes a major budget cut.

But yet your franchise was begging for Melo, praying for d will to sign an extension and praying that d will (if he still there) convince DWIGHT to play for a 24 win team with mainly bench players...makes your franchise look Desperate and pathetic.

Chill_Will_24
05-27-2011, 05:49 PM
The number one lesson to be learned on this thread is that people who quote DoMeFavors are no better than DoMeFavors.

x10 :laugh2:

JerseysFinest
05-27-2011, 05:54 PM
:facepalm: second worst...Felton was averaging 17 and 8...and was nearly an All star....Plzzz...and just like LeBron and Bosh said no to us, they definitely said No to the Nets...and Even Carmelo turn down the Nets as well as Boozer. Amare wasn't our first option but he was an option that we got...Nets didn't get any of there options!

I didn't want to get involved here, but let's set the record straight:

LeBron, Dwyane, and Bosh already knew they'd team up since 2008, therefore looking in hindsight, no team other than Miami had a shot. Boozer did not turn down the Nets, he himself wanted to come to New Jersey, but former Nets general manager Rod Thorn was hesitant to give Carlos Boozer 5 years/80 million, and his maximum offer was 5 years/75 million. Boozer wouldn't sign, and the Bulls called, gave him the 5 year/80 million dollar contract, and he became a Bull. Amar'e was very receptive to coming to the Nets through trade and even had a meeting with the Nets, but they were worried about his knee health and how it would effect him in the future. There was even a point in time when the Nets were rumored to be talking to the Suns about dealing for him, that he wanted to become a Net. Carmelo only wanted the Knicks, no one else, because they had Stoudemire. There is no other explanation. FYI, it was even later reported that LeBron was more impressed with that the Nets presented to him than what the Knicks did.

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 05:56 PM
But yet your franchise was begging for Melo, praying for d will to sign an extension and praying that d will (if he still there) convince DWIGHT to play for a 24 win team with mainly bench players...makes your franchise look Desperate and pathetic.

The 24 win team that didnt have Deron or any other veterans. I guess LeBron signed with the 14 win Miami Heat 3 years ago. The team that won 24 games wont be the same team if Dwight comes to the Nets. You seem like you really dont want Dwight on the Nets, I wouldnt either because Dwight and Deron = championship.
And why wouldnt the Nets who didnt have a star want Melo? They are trying to get Deron to sign an extension. But the Nets arent the team that gave 3 starters and a 6th man for Melo.

Chill_Will_24
05-27-2011, 05:59 PM
But yet your franchise was begging for Melo, praying for d will to sign an extension and praying that d will (if he still there) convince DWIGHT to play for a 24 win team with mainly bench players...makes your franchise look Desperate and pathetic.

You look sillier with every post you make by arguing with literally a child. Let it go please.

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 05:59 PM
i didn't want to get involved here, but let's set the record straight:

Lebron, dwyane, and bosh already knew they'd team up since 2008, therefore looking in hindsight, no team other than miami had a shot. Boozer did not turn down the nets, he himself wanted to come to new jersey, but former nets general manager rod thorn was hesitant to give carlos boozer 5 years/80 million, and his maximum offer was 5 years/75 million. Boozer wouldn't sign, and the bulls called, gave him the 5 year/80 million dollar contract, and he became a bull. Amar'e was very receptive to coming to the nets through trade and even had a meeting with the nets, but they were worried about his knee health and how it would effect him in the future. There was even a point in time when the nets were rumored to be talking to the suns about dealing for him, that he wanted to become a net. Carmelo only wanted the knicks, no one else, because they had stoudemire. There is no other explanation. Fyi, it was even later reported that lebron was more impressed with that the nets presented to him than what the knicks did.

owned

jeter 2
05-27-2011, 06:00 PM
Amare for Dwight isn't a bad deal for the Magic because if Dwight wants out, Amare plays well in a similar system. He runs up and down the court well and he is younger than Gasol and is better than Bynum. He would also keep the jerseys selling in Orlando.

allSUAVE
05-27-2011, 06:02 PM
It's a matter of time before the Media entertain Deron Williams being a Dallas Mav. And it picking up steam

He's from there and love his Howetown
Jason Kidd is 38

3rd Mark Cuban,

the Nets need to worry about their own player leaving if anything.

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 06:06 PM
It's a matter of time before the Media entertain Deron Williams being a Dallas Mav. And it picking up steam

He's from there and love his Howetown
Jason Kidd is 38

3rd Mark Cuban,

the Nets need to worry about their own player leaving if anything.

Nah there has been nothing like that in the News, Avery and King said they are very confident he signs in the Summer. They must have gotten the yes from Deron. Dont need to worry about him, I want Dwight.

Deron and Dwight > Amare and Melo

Kings of Queens
05-27-2011, 06:10 PM
"New York is a beautiful city, but it's too cold for me,"

I'd love Howard to come. He'd instantly be my favorite player. But it's not happening.

allSUAVE
05-27-2011, 06:11 PM
Dwight Melo and Stat> Miami big 3

They have to be confident they can't keep they guy.

Atleast they have to tell their low fan base that

allSUAVE
05-27-2011, 06:12 PM
Dwight is not coming in the NY area.

LA or Dallas

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 06:12 PM
You look sillier with every post you make by arguing with literally a child. Let it go please.

Failed.

Looking at his post a child would sound make more sense then domefavors.

Kids these days

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 06:15 PM
Dwight Melo and Stat> Miami big 3

They have to be confident they can't keep they guy.

Atleast they have to tell their low fan base that

Low fan base means nothing to me, as long as the Nets are winning thats all that matters. All the Knick fans can be mad and upset when Nets are champions. And I dont how how Dwight is going to team up with Melo and Stat. Be honest with your self there is no chance that can happened. Melo and Stat combined are what Wade, Bosh and LeBron are paid. They cant sign Dwight. Maybe if Knicks offer Amare and Billups for Dwight and Arenas.

jeter 2
05-27-2011, 06:16 PM
I don't understand why he would go the Nets. They have an overrated center in Brook Lopez and Deron Williams. If the Nets don't improve their roster, Williams could leave. What would the Nets give up to get Howard? Brook Lopez. The Knicks could at least start with Amare, who can probably be the best consolation prize for the Magic if they trade Howard.

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 06:17 PM
Failed.

Looking at your post you sound more foolish then domefavors.

Kids these days

You have the writing skills of a child.

jeter 2
05-27-2011, 06:19 PM
Dwight Melo and Stat> Miami big 3

They have to be confident they can't keep they guy.

Atleast they have to tell their low fan base that

Even Jeff Van Gundy, the coaches brother, says the Magic don't have the pieces to win the championship. Honestly, they should just trade him to the Knicks for Amare, unless the Lakers give up 2 of Odom, Gasol or Bynum. Otherwise, the Magic could lose him for nothing. I don't think Dwight would mind New York. Amare came from Phoenix and probably loves the attention.

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 06:22 PM
I don't understand why he would go the Nets. They have an overrated center in Brook Lopez and Deron Williams. If the Nets don't improve their roster, Williams could leave. What would the Nets give up to get Howard? Brook Lopez. The Knicks could at least start with Amare, who can probably be the best consolation prize for the Magic if they trade Howard.

How is he overated? He has really good post skills and has been basically by himself for the past 2 years. Being doubled the entire game still putting up points. It would probably be Lopez, HUmphries, and a player like Morrow.

allSUAVE
05-27-2011, 06:23 PM
Well Good Luck

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 06:24 PM
The 24 win team that didnt have Deron or any other veterans. I guess LeBron signed with the 14 win Miami Heat 3 years ago. The team that won 24 games wont be the same team if Dwight comes to the Nets. You seem like you really dont want Dwight on the Nets, I wouldnt either because Dwight and Deron = championship.
And why wouldnt the Nets who didnt have a star want Melo? They are trying to get Deron to sign an extension. But the Nets arent the team that gave 3 starters and a 6th man for Melo.

REALLY?

I didn't know Lebron signed with the heat 3 years ago.

Lmao imma stop it here. You to about the knicks and banking on DWIGHT coming to the Nets.

I guess u didn't learn ya lesson after you were booking a parade In Brooklyn thinking Melo was Coming...y'all nets fans are great.

jeter 2
05-27-2011, 06:26 PM
How is he overated? He has really good post skills and has been basically by himself for the past 2 years. Being doubled the entire game still putting up points. It would probably be Lopez, HUmphries, and a player like Morrow.

Yeah good luck with that...BTW, its brooklyn we go hard(the borough the Nets are moving too), not New Jersey lol. People from NJ make me laugh.

jeter 2
05-27-2011, 06:27 PM
Brook Lopez is a center who can't rebound too. His own coach dreams about the day he rebounds.

SP17
05-27-2011, 06:28 PM
Even Jeff Van Gundy, the coaches brother, says the Magic don't have the pieces to win the championship. Honestly, they should just trade him to the Knicks for Amare, unless the Lakers give up 2 of Odom, Gasol or Bynum. Otherwise, the Magic could lose him for nothing. I don't think Dwight would mind New York. Amare came from Phoenix and probably loves the attention.

so the magic wont win with dwight then decide they wanna take on amare and suck more? Also amare is signed 4 more years with a very big salary doubt magic would want that.Also Lakers need to give up 2 of pau,lo and drew while the knick who is in the same conference will only give up 1 player to get him..hhhmm

I dont get your point..Magic could get better offers out west than trading him to a team like ny.. OKC and Clips got some good young talent if they wanna get dwight.

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 06:28 PM
You have the writing skills of a child.

you have a mindset of a child.

I didnt know this was English class...

Nets fans these days

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 06:28 PM
REALLY?

I didn't know Lebron signed with the heat 3 years ago.

Lmao imma stop it here. You to about the knicks and banking on DWIGHT coming to the Nets.

I guess u didn't learn ya lesson after you were booking a parade In Brooklyn thinking Melo was Coming...y'all nets fans are great.

What im saying is if Dwight came it wouldnt be the same team that won 24 games this year, and I guess you didnt learn your lesson making custom authentic jerseys for LeBron.

jeter 2
05-27-2011, 06:30 PM
What im saying is if Dwight came it wouldnt be the same team that won 24 games this year, and I guess you didnt learn your lesson making custom authentic jerseys for LeBron.

Derrick Favors isn't even on the Nets. Do yourself a favor and shut up. No one is going to go the Nets because they have 1 superstar and 1 quality center. The rest are bench players.

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 06:30 PM
Yeah good luck with that...BTW, its brooklyn we go hard(the borough the Nets are moving too), not New Jersey lol. People from NJ make me laugh.

Does Jeter make you laugh too?

jeter 2
05-27-2011, 06:32 PM
Does Jeter make you laugh too?

When he says something funny, he does..why?

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 06:35 PM
When he says something funny, he does..why?

Because, people from NJ make you laugh. So I was wondering if Jeter makes you laugh. His current baseball skill makes me laugh.

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 06:35 PM
Yeah good luck with that...BTW, its brooklyn we go hard(the borough the Nets are moving too), not New Jersey lol. People from NJ make me laugh.

Lmao they act like Brooklyn is part of new jersey...they coming to our city

jeter 2
05-27-2011, 06:37 PM
Because, people from NJ make you laugh. So I was wondering if Jeter makes you laugh. His current baseball skill makes me laugh.

When people from NJ pretend to be from New York or try to act like they're from New York, it makes me laugh. None of the Yankees are hitting right now, but they are still winning somehow hahahha. Your idiocy is not even funny anymore, its pathetic.

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 06:38 PM
Lmao they act like Brooklyn is part of new jersey...they coming to our city

Giants are in my state!

No Brooklyn isnt part of NJ? But it isnt too far so I will still be able to watch them live.

GiantsSwaGG
05-27-2011, 06:38 PM
What im saying is if Dwight came it wouldnt be the same team that won 24 games this year, and I guess you didnt learn your lesson making custom authentic jerseys for LeBron.

Lmao jersey but yet you was the one who was booking a parade for Melo banking he was gonna come to the Nets...I guess u didn't learn ya lesson.

jeter 2
05-27-2011, 06:39 PM
Lmao they act like Brooklyn is part of new jersey...they coming to our city

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Z0YTWDFXI

jeter 2
05-27-2011, 06:39 PM
Giants are in my state!

No Brooklyn isnt part of NJ? But it isnt too far so I will still be able to watch them live.

But they say they are from New York. I wonder why. Actually, I want you to tell me why. I want to be entertained.

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 06:41 PM
When people from NJ pretend to be from New York or try to act like they're from New York, it makes me laugh. None of the Yankees are hitting right now, but they are still winning somehow hahahha. Your idiocy is not even funny anymore, its pathetic.

Well I was born in NY, but anyway I live in the NY Metro so I guess I "pretend" im from NY. But even being born in NY and living their my early childhood I still rep NJ. Just like Melo reps Baltimore.

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 06:43 PM
But they say they are from New York. I wonder why. Actually, I want you to tell me why. I want to be entertained.

I dont know, why is the Superbowl going to be in East Ruthorford NJ? I want you to tell me why. I want to be entertained.

jeter 2
05-27-2011, 06:43 PM
Well I was born in NY, but anyway I live in the NY Metro so I guess I "pretend" im from NY. But even being born in NY and living their my early childhood I still rep NJ. Just like Melo reps Baltimore.

He said "he's home" when he came to the Garden. His family lives in Baltimore. He reps both. But most people from Jersey say they rep New York. That was my point. You don't agree?

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 06:47 PM
He said "he's home" when he came to the Garden. His family lives in Baltimore. He reps both. But most people from Jersey say they rep New York. That was my point. You don't agree?

I dont rep NY. And all the people I know from NJ dont rep NY at all. They might like the Knicks or wear Yankee hats but dont act like they are from there. Most people in NJ that I know hardly go into NYC, only surrounding NY counties.

jeter 2
05-27-2011, 06:48 PM
I dont know, why is the Superbowl going to be in East Ruthorford NJ? I want you to tell me why. I want to be entertained.

There is not enough space in New York City. Where would they play?? Also, having New Jersey as your city doesn't appeal to the mass market, which is mostly in New York. That's why you see many New Yorkers not rooting for the Nets. Did New York care when New Jersey made the finals? Looking at the TV ratings, only NJ cared. You should seriously back off. You are making a fool of yourself. Now I want to be entertained, if the Giants and Jets play in New Jersey, how come they say they're from New York? Actually, I'll answer it for you, its because New Jersey sucks.

jeter 2
05-27-2011, 06:49 PM
lol I'm just messing around.

DoMeFavors
05-27-2011, 06:53 PM
There is not enough space in New York City. Where would they play?? Also, having New Jersey as your city doesn't appeal to the mass market, which is mostly in New York. That's why you see many New Yorkers not rooting for the Nets. Did New York care when New Jersey made the finals? Looking at the TV ratings, only NJ cared. You should seriously back off. You are making a fool of yourself. Now I want to be entertained, if the Giants and Jets play in New Jersey, how come they say they're from New York? Actually, I'll answer it for you, its because New Jersey sucks.

Why would they care? I dont care if NY cared when Nets made the finals? Would I expect them to or care? I think NY sucks, I would much rather live in the suburbs where its clean and there are stores and malls and I can drive a car than live in NYC. I read only 3 Knicks live in NYC. Thats kind of sad if you ask me.

akesh99
05-27-2011, 06:59 PM
I feel like maybe you just don't realize how cap-constrained they're going to be, and how unfeasible this is.

They currently have $39m in salary for that offseason just with Amar'e and Melo (I'm assuming that they somehow manage to get rid of Balkman and don't take on any other contracts for that time). Under current rules, you'd have to add a rookie-min cap hold for each vacant roster spot up to 12, so that's another 9 guys at that level (this year it was $473,000). Even if that were do decrease, to say $400,000, that's another $3.6m.

So that's $42.6m already in salary. At the current cap figure, $58m, they'd be able to offer him just over $15m, or $4m less than he could have in Orlando (or anywhere that could offer him the max).

So that's the best case scenario, and you still only have three guys and have to fill the roster with vet-min payers.

Now factor in the new CBA. It's almost certain that the cap allowance will go down. It's also likely that exceptions are going to decrease, so they'll have way less chance to build around their core once they're at the limit. It's also extremely unlikely that cap holds get removed - and in fact it's likely they'll get increased.

So even if you take into account some unrealistically large salary roll-backs, there's just no way. He'd have to take a HUGE pay decrease, and I promise you the draw of New York and those two guys isn't enough to overcome that much of a pay decrease and playing with a capped out roster without a real distributor. I can't say it's 100% not happening, but it's pretty damn close.

boom. /thread

bmd1101
05-27-2011, 07:01 PM
Here, we ponder what superstars—and I use that term lightly—are going to do when they become free agents years from now.

It's been this way for a while.

Since Lebron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh each decided to take unprecedented three-year contract extensions back in July 2006, everyone immediately began wondering about their intentions. Five years later, as the Heatles are poised to win the Eastern Conference in their very first season together, the attention is squarely on Chris Paul and Dwight Howard.

Will either—or both—follow the lead of LeBron James and seek the legacy they hope to leave on the game elsewhere? Or will they stay true to their teams and follow the examples set by Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Pierce?

That, we don't know.

What we do know, however, is that if Dwight Howard opts to leave Orlando, the right decision would be to join the New York Knicks.

Some have dismissed the possibility of the Knicks adding Dwight Howard, mainly because they lack enough attractive assets in the form of All-Star caliber players on rookie contracts, draft picks and trade exceptions.

What those people need to remember, however, is the meaning of the term free agent. Quite simply, Carmelo Anthony forced a trade to the Knicks because of the fear of losing an astronomical sum of money by opting for free agency—and hence being subjected to the new rules of the to-be-negotiated CBA.

Dwight Howard, no matter what, will be subjected to that new CBA. So, in his situation, forcing a trade isn't a necessity. Additionally, because the Knicks currently have commitments to only three players for the 2012-2013 season (Amar'e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony and Renaldo Balkman), it is very possible—and even likely—that they will manage their situation to preserve the ability to extend Dwight Howard a contract as a free agent (there's that term again).

All in all, the meaning here is simple. If Dwight decides that joining the Knicks is in his best interest, he can present the Magic with the ultimatum that Carmelo Anthony never presented to the Nuggets:

Trade me to New York and get what you can get or lose me for nothing.

Again, this would require the Knicks to intelligently manage their cap situation. Because only by maintaining their cap space can they create leverage and force Orlando's hand. Regardless, the point is this: A lack of "assets" would mean nothing if Dwight let it be known that he was heading to the Knicks—with or without Orlando's assistance.

But the bigger question is, why would Dwight Howard want to go to the Knicks?

The simple answer: Because it's the perfect situation.

More perfect than forcing a trade to the Los Angeles Lakers?

Absolutely.

While a trade to the Lakers for Andrew Bynum and either Lamar Odom or Pau Gasol would make some sense for both the Lakers and the Magic, why should anyone, including Dwight believe that he would be able to win a championship with a shallow team and a—by then—34-year-old Kobe Bryant?

Derek Fisher would be 38, and Ron Artest would still be a maniac. Maybe Dwight Howard will have confidence that the Lakers will be able to rebuild around him. That wouldn't be a bad bet, considering Jerry Buss' impeccable tenure as owner. After all, the Los Angeles Lakers are the New York Yankees of professional basketball.

But my goodness, that leaves some awfully big shoes to fill.

That could be a problem.

And you know what else? It's at least worth thinking about.

Currently, the Lakers have over $60 million committed to only four players—Kobe, Pau, Artest and Blake—through the conclusion of the 2014 season. If Gasol is included in any Howard deal, Dwight would occupy that salary spot, so the numbers would be the same. How much would the Lakers be able to improve? How good will the Thunder be by then? The Trailblazers? The Grizzlies?

That being said, the Lakers, with Dwight Howard and Kobe Bryant, would probably have one chance—two at most—to win an NBA Championship. And frankly, I don't see a shallow team built around a 34-year-old Kobe Bryant beating the Miami Heat or Chicago Bulls in the NBA Finals (you know, assuming the Lakers got that far).

Even worse, if Dwight Howard and Kobe Bryant managed to win a championship or two together, what would that really mean for Dwight's legacy? He'd be mentioned alongside Vlade Divac and Andrew Bynum—Not George Mikan, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Shaquille O'Neal. He'd also be viewed similarly to how Lebron James is viewed now. That is, he ultimately lacked the courage to be something, instead, he merely wanted to be a part of something.

If Dwight Howard wants to be something, he should be the starting center for the 2012-2013 New York Knicks.

Immediately, with Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire flanking him on the wings, and Chauncey Billups (on a minimum contract) or even Toney Douglas playing the point, the Knicks would have a foursome ironically equipped to destroy everything by utilizing a triangle offense. Carmelo Anthony (28) and Amar'e Stoudemire (30) would be young enough to have at least four solid years of contending alongside Dwight (27), and the presence he would provide in the middle would be exactly what the doctor ordered for the New York Knicks.

Sure, you might have to replace Mike D'Antoni with a coach that would emphasize half-court execution, defense, discipline and triangle offense principles, but being that Mike D'Antoni is entering the final year of his contract, that's not a huge concern.

In terms of his legacy, winning even one championship with the New York Knicks would immortalize Dwight Howard. He'd be a living legend in New York City, and across the country. He'd be looked at as the final—and most important—piece that ended the Knicks' 40-year championship drought.

And worst case scenario, if the Knicks failed to get it done with Dwight, he wouldn't leave a legacy as someone who forced his way into a situation that was reminiscent of taking the easy way out. The Lakers, let's remember, are only one year removed from back-to-back championships. The Knicks on the other hand?

Ahem.

Let's just say that some Knicks fans were still satisfied with their season after being the only team swept out of the first round of the 2011 NBA Playoffs.

Ultimately, for Dwight, joining the Knicks would be the best decision because it's a low-risk, high-reward move. The team desperately needs his size and his skill set, and Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire's games—with the right offensive philosophy—would complement him well. They would have the collection of talent and personnel to overthrow Miami, Chicago and Oklahoma City. The same couldn't be said if he joined the Lakers.

Best of all, in New York, the Knicks would have more time and opportunity to accomplish great things than Dwight's Lakers would.


With Carmelo and Amar'e, Dwight Could Deliver What Patrick Ewing Couldn't
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Some say that Dwight won't end up in New York because he isn't a "New York Guy."

Well, nobody—except Stephen A. Smith of ESPN New York and Alan Hahn of New York Newsday—thought Lebron James was a "Miami guy."

But guess what? Lebron chose what he thought was best for his legacy.

And in terms of Dwight's legacy...

Two championships in Los Angeles? Yawn.

(Kareem still doesn't have a statue.)

One in New York? Fawn. Eternal.

So the question is, does Dwight Howard want to be a part of something, or does he want to be something?

That, we don't know.

But what we can hope, is that he has better advisors and better foresight than Lebron James did back in July 2010.

He needs to be something...

So why not be the final pillar to a dynasty?

#1, unless he has a no trade caluse, which he doesnt, he doesnt have to be traded to the knicks. Remember what happened to Deron Williams last season?

#2, Amare/Dwight has disaster written all over it. Add in Melo's touches, you think Dwight is going to be happy just playing defense and cleaning up the boards for points? Your sadly mistaken if you do, and know nothing about Howard.

#3, You are dreaming if you think he will make it to free agency, nor do you have the pieces to make a trade for him (dont even try to convince anyone you do).

#4, You are dreaming if you think he will take less money to play with those ball hogs lol.

#5, Do you think the Knicks can convince him that they want to play defense?

#6, If he wants to win a chip, why the hell would he pick NY? He has been a lot closer to winning a chip in Orlando then NY,NJ, or any other team thats came up thats not the lakers in the past decade. Completely unproven that NY has even a slight chance to win a chip. If you think you are gonna do it on the backs of Amare/Melo, again, you are sadly mistaken.

SportsAndrew25
05-27-2011, 10:46 PM
Dwight Howard for the Knicks! :clap:

jrm2054
05-27-2011, 11:26 PM
D12 would never work with melo and stat

koreancabbage
05-28-2011, 12:33 AM
Howard wouldn't even have a chance to get to the Knicks if a new CBA occurs. they already have two max contracts under wraps and with the new CBA on the horizon, only LA or Chicago would have enough assets to get him- matching in salaries or what not and with plentitude of young impactful players. or NJ in the future if Deron stays cuz they would have the cap space most likely.

He's not going to New York, and thats a fact.

Raph12
05-28-2011, 12:48 AM
Dwight won't go to NYC to be the garbage man for Melo and Stats chuckfest...

Sadds The Gr8
05-28-2011, 12:49 AM
Dwight won't go to NYC to be the garbage man for Melo and Stats chuckfest...

this.