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kbrill21
05-18-2011, 01:34 PM
Ok, back in 97 they released the top 50 Greatest Players of all time. Obviously after 14 years things have changed. Who would you take off of the list and who would you replace him with? Would we have to make room for guys like Kobe, LeBron, DWade, KG, Ray Allen and Steve Nash? What would your top 50 list look like?

http://www.nba.com/history/players/50greatest.html

nickdymez
05-18-2011, 01:46 PM
Take off sam Jones and add Kobe

JordansBulls
05-18-2011, 01:52 PM
Take off sam Jones and add Kobe

Sam Jones belongs. He generally led the Celtics in the 60's in scoring and has 10 rings with multiple allstar appearances.

Gibby23
05-18-2011, 01:54 PM
Dolph Schayes is off

AIMelo=KillaDUO
05-18-2011, 01:55 PM
Kobe, Iverson are two I can think of that need to be added.

allSUAVE
05-18-2011, 01:55 PM
Dirk is in my top 20 Alltime. Steve Nash def. In the top 50 . Kobe is in my top 3 by time his career ends he would break most of MJ Records so it's only right

Idk if Ray Allen could make the cut. :shrug:

Baller1
05-18-2011, 01:57 PM
Kobe, Lebron, Dirk, KG, Shaq, and Duncan are all locks for the top 50.

jp611
05-18-2011, 02:02 PM
Scalabrine's a lock

nickdymez
05-18-2011, 02:04 PM
Kobe, Lebron, Dirk, KG, Shaq, and Duncan are all locks for the top 50.

Shaqs already there though

flea
05-18-2011, 02:05 PM
Duncan's a top 10, so him. Kobe, KG, Nash, Kidd. I'm not sure if Dirk and Iverson make it.

kbrill21
05-18-2011, 02:09 PM
If you add Duncan, Kobe, KG, Nash, Kidd, AI and Dirk. Some folks have to come off. Who?

KnicksR4Real
05-18-2011, 02:12 PM
Scalabrine's a lock

Lol

bootsy
05-18-2011, 02:13 PM
I think what they probably do is for the 75th anniversary they will just add 25 more to the list or they may not wait until the 75th and just add 25 more. Either way I think that is how they will and should do it. Don't remove anyone off the current list because the current list is very accurate just add on. I think the 25 will probably be:
Ray Allen
Carmelo Anthony
Kobe Bryant
Adrian Dantley
Tim Duncan
Alex English
Kevin Garnett
Pau Gasol
Manu Ginobli
Dwight Howard
Allen Iverson
Lebron James
Dennis Johnson
Jason Kidd
Reggie Miller
Yao Ming(I know there will be some debate about him but the All Stars and the "ambassador" from China thing has to be included)
Alonzo Mourning
Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki
Chris Paul
Gary Payton
Paul Pierce
Dennis Rodman
Dwyane Wade
Dominique Wilkins

Could also make it: Deron Williams, Chris Mullin, Grant Hill, Dikembe Mutombo, Joe Dumars, Artis Gilmore, Chauncey Billups

kbrill21
05-18-2011, 02:23 PM
I think what they probably do is for the 75th anniversary they will just add 25 more to the list or they may not wait until the 75th and just add 25 more. Either way I think that is how they will and should do it. Don't remove anyone off the current list because the current list is very accurate just add on.

Good point, but can you come up with 25 more players who deserve to be on this list? That's a lot.

Kobe
Tim Duncan
Ray Allen
Kg
Dirk
Nash
Dwight Howard (Hey, Shaq was added in just his 5th season to the top 50)
LeBron
D. Wade
Reggie Miller?
Iverson
Jason Kidd
Rodman?
Mullin?
Alonzo Mourning?
Grant Hill
Carmelo?
Kevin Durant? (projection based on what he has done so far)
Paul Pierce? (I think he is a HOF'er but not sure about this)

AntiG
05-18-2011, 02:29 PM
Good point, but can you come up with 25 more players who deserve to be on this list? That's a lot.

Kobe
Tim Duncan
Ray Allen
Kg
Dirk
Nash
Dwight Howard (Hey, Shaq was added in just his 5th season to the top 50)
LeBron
D. Wade
Reggie Miller?
Iverson
Jason Kidd
Rodman?
Mullin?
Alonzo Mourning?
Grant Hill
Carmelo?
Kevin Durant? (projection based on what he has done so far)
Paul Pierce? (I think he is a HOF'er but not sure about this)

You don't need to add 25 contemporaries to the list. There were plenty of old time players (from the beginning through the early 90s that were left off). It can definitely be done.

bootsy
05-18-2011, 02:32 PM
Good point, but can you come up with 25 more players who deserve to be on this list? That's a lot.

Kobe
Tim Duncan
Ray Allen
Kg
Dirk
Nash
Dwight Howard (Hey, Shaq was added in just his 5th season to the top 50)
LeBron
D. Wade
Reggie Miller?
Iverson
Jason Kidd
Rodman?
Mullin?
Alonzo Mourning?
Grant Hill
Carmelo?
Kevin Durant? (projection based on what he has done so far)
Paul Pierce? (I think he is a HOF'er but not sure about this)
I added 25 names and then some more that could be. Let me know what you think. I really like subjects like this just interesting to see what others think.

Max Power
05-18-2011, 02:32 PM
If they stick to 50, there are a few candidates to get booted.

I am one of the few people that like Bill Walton, but he'd be off.

Worthy is pretty overrated, 18 pts per game is nice. Poor rebounder, even worse defender. Made the list because Magic spoon fed him.

Guys like Dave DeBusschere and Unseld would have a hard time cracking the top 50 now too.

Hellcrooner
05-18-2011, 02:36 PM
i woudl pick 10 players for Each Poisition because is not fair comparing centers to Sf or Pg to Pf.

Centers

1 Kareem
2 Russell
3 Wilt
4 Mikan
5 Hakeem
6 Shaq
7 Mo Malone
8 D Robinson
9 Bob Pettit
10 Artis Gilmore

Point Guards

1 Magic Johnson
2 John Stockton
3 Oscar Robertson
4 Bob Cousy
5 Isiah Thomas
6 Jason Kidd
7 Steve Nash
8 Nate Archibald
9 Pete Maravich
10 Walt Frazier

Shooting Guards

1 Michael Jordan
2 Jerry West
3 Kobe Bryant
4 George Gervin
5 Clyde Drexler
6 Earl Monroe
7 Alex Enlgish
8 Dennis Johnson
9 Dwayne Wade
10 Reggie Miller
Small Forwards

1 Larry Bird
2 Dr J
3 Elgin Baylor
4 Havlicek
5 Lebron James
6 Rick Barry
7 DOminique Wilkins
8 James Worthy
9 Scottie Pippen
10 Bernard King


Power Forwards

1 Tim Duncan
2 Karl Malone
3 Kevin garnett
4 Kevin Mchale
5 Nate Turmond
6 Charles Barkley
8 Elvin Hayes
9 Pau Gasol
10 Dirk Nowitzky

bootsy
05-18-2011, 02:37 PM
I may need to remove Yao because even though he has the All Star games(even though some of them are bogus). He has no 1st team All NBA's, he didn't lead the league in any statistical categories.

Baller1
05-18-2011, 02:54 PM
Shaqs already there though

My bad, I didn't even open the link to look.

Baller1
05-18-2011, 02:55 PM
i woudl pick 10 players for Each Poisition because is not fair comparing centers to Sf or Pg to Pf.

Centers

1 Kareem
2 Russell
3 Wilt
4 Mikan
5 Hakeem
6 Shaq
7 Mo Malone
8 D Robinson
9 Bob Pettit
10 Artis Gilmore

Point Guards

1 Magic Johnson
2 John Stockton
3 Oscar Robertson
4 Bob Cousy
5 Isiah Thomas
6 Jason Kidd
7 Steve Nash
8 Nate Archibald
9 Pete Maravich
10 Walt Frazier

Shooting Guards

1 Michael Jordan
2 Jerry West
3 Kobe Bryant
4 George Gervin
5 Clyde Drexler
6 Earl Monroe
7 Alex Enlgish
8 Dennis Johnson
9 Dwayne Wade
10 Reggie Miller
Small Forwards

1 Dr J
2 Elgin Baylor
3 Havlicek
4 Lebron James
5 Rick Barry
6 DOminique Wilkins
7 James Worthy
8 Scottie Pippen
9 Bernard King
10 Bill Bradley

Power Forwards

1 Tim Duncan
2 Karl Malone
3 Kevin garnett
4 Kevin Mchale
5 Nate Turmond
6 Charles Barkley
8 Elvin Hayes
9 Pau Gasol
10 Dirk Nowitzky

Gary Payton? Larry Bird?

JordansBulls
05-18-2011, 03:03 PM
i woudl pick 10 players for Each Poisition because is not fair comparing centers to Sf or Pg to Pf.

Centers

1 Kareem
2 Russell
3 Wilt
4 Mikan
5 Hakeem
6 Shaq
7 Mo Malone
8 D Robinson
9 Bob Pettit
10 Artis Gilmore

Point Guards

1 Magic Johnson
2 John Stockton
3 Oscar Robertson
4 Bob Cousy
5 Isiah Thomas
6 Jason Kidd
7 Steve Nash
8 Nate Archibald
9 Pete Maravich
10 Walt Frazier

Shooting Guards

1 Michael Jordan
2 Jerry West
3 Kobe Bryant
4 George Gervin
5 Clyde Drexler
6 Earl Monroe
7 Alex Enlgish
8 Dennis Johnson
9 Dwayne Wade
10 Reggie Miller
Small Forwards

1 Dr J
2 Elgin Baylor
3 Havlicek
4 Lebron James
5 Rick Barry
6 DOminique Wilkins
7 James Worthy
8 Scottie Pippen
9 Bernard King
10 Bill Bradley

Power Forwards

1 Tim Duncan
2 Karl Malone
3 Kevin garnett
4 Kevin Mchale
5 Nate Turmond
6 Charles Barkley
8 Elvin Hayes
9 Pau Gasol
10 Dirk Nowitzky

That's a horrible idea. 5 of the 10 greatest players ever are centers you can't just leave off centers to make room for others. Pettit was a PF by the way and Gilmore was no where near Ewing's level.

MFFL==FML
05-18-2011, 03:11 PM
i woudl pick 10 players for Each Poisition because is not fair comparing centers to Sf or Pg to Pf.

Centers

1 Kareem
2 Russell
3 Wilt
4 Mikan
5 Hakeem
6 Shaq
7 Mo Malone
8 D Robinson
9 Bob Pettit
10 Artis Gilmore

Point Guards

1 Magic Johnson
2 John Stockton
3 Oscar Robertson
4 Bob Cousy
5 Isiah Thomas
6 Jason Kidd
7 Steve Nash
8 Nate Archibald
9 Pete Maravich
10 Walt Frazier

Shooting Guards

1 Michael Jordan
2 Jerry West
3 Kobe Bryant
4 George Gervin
5 Clyde Drexler
6 Earl Monroe
7 Alex Enlgish
8 Dennis Johnson
9 Dwayne Wade
10 Reggie Miller
Small Forwards

1 Dr J
2 Elgin Baylor
3 Havlicek
4 Lebron James
5 Rick Barry
6 DOminique Wilkins
7 James Worthy
8 Scottie Pippen
9 Bernard King
10 Bill Bradley

Power Forwards

1 Tim Duncan
2 Karl Malone
3 Kevin garnett
4 Kevin Mchale
5 Nate Turmond
6 Charles Barkley
8 Elvin Hayes
9 Pau Gasol
10 Dirk Nowitzky

There is so much fail on this post. :facepalm:

naps
05-18-2011, 03:21 PM
Dirk is in my top 20 Alltime. Steve Nash def. In the top 50 . Kobe is in my top 3 by time his career ends he would break most of MJ Records so it's only right

Idk if Ray Allen could make the cut. :shrug:

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Please visit their resumes and tell me how Kobe would break most of MJ's records. Don't be ignorant.

Hellcrooner
05-18-2011, 03:22 PM
I just s forgot bout dirk for some reason,

Switch
05-18-2011, 03:23 PM
Duncan, Garnett, Kobe need to be added.

D1JM
05-18-2011, 03:28 PM
Your an idiot.

1. Dirk is top 5 PF
2. Pau ahead of Dirk when Dirk is a billion miles better.
3. Having Pau on the list.


And Larry Bird isn't top 10 SF of all time?

not in my book.

i would take duncan, malone, mchale, barkley, garnett, kemp, pettit, hayes before dirk.

Hellcrooner
05-18-2011, 03:33 PM
not in my book.

i would take duncan, malone, mchale, barkley, garnett, kemp, pettit, hayes before dirk.

no kemp thanks.

Partial careers dont count.

Othwerwise Hardaway, Grant HIll, Ming and others could be in the list.

D1JM
05-18-2011, 03:36 PM
no kemp thanks.

Partial careers dont count.

Othwerwise Hardaway, Grant HIll, Ming and others could be in the list.

what can i say, i liked his dunks.

Hellcrooner
05-18-2011, 03:38 PM
what can i say, i liked his dunks.

And i loved Mark Prices decision making and shooting but injuries avoided him to be in this kind of conversations.

Rentzias
05-18-2011, 03:52 PM
If you add Duncan, Kobe, KG, Nash, Kidd, AI and Dirk. Some folks have to come off. Who?

Agreed, more interested to hear who people think should come off the list to accommodate, say, 7 more guys.

AntiG
05-18-2011, 03:56 PM
3 find me 10 better Power forwards than Pau.
There's more than 10. In no particular order:

Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Bob Petit
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Kevin McHale
Dirk Nowitzki
Elvin Hayes
Dolph Schayes
Maurice Lucas
Dave DeBuscherre
Dennis Rodman
Dave Cowens
Tom Heinsohn
Clyde Lovellette

DoJoTheSlasher
05-18-2011, 04:01 PM
not in my book.

i would take duncan, malone, mchale, barkley, garnett, kemp, pettit, hayes before dirk.

Yes to Duncan, Malone, McHale and Barkley.

Dirk is better than Garnett with or without the ring.
Shawn Kemp? LOL
Bob Pettit and Elvin Hayes were great but Dirk is better, even moreso after the ring he could get this year.

Rentzias
05-18-2011, 04:03 PM
Dirk is better than Garnett with or without the ring.

You mean just this year though right? Cool.

Hellcrooner
05-18-2011, 04:04 PM
There's more than 10. In no particular order:

Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Bob Petit
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Kevin McHale
Dirk Nowitzki
Elvin Hayes
Dolph SchayesMaurice Lucas
Dave DeBuscherreDennis RodmanDave CowensTom HeinsohnClyde Lovellette

definetly No.

Rodman? be serious
he was a defensive beast but couldnt do anything else.
cowens played center btw

DoJoTheSlasher
05-18-2011, 04:12 PM
You mean just this year though right? Cool.

No I mean all time. It's close though. But yes, I mean all time.

AntiG
05-18-2011, 04:13 PM
definetly No.

Rodman? be serious
he was a defensive beast but couldnt do anything else.
cowens played center btw

Definitely yes. Rodman was the equivalent to Pau - heavily loaded in one side of basketball, far below average on the other side. Rodman was a better defender than Pau is offensively, and the greatest rebounder ever.

Cowens played both positions, much like Pau, Garnett, Duncan and quite a few other PFs in history. Schayes and DeBuscherre were easily better than Pau. To be a complete player, you need to excel on both sides of the ball... Pau's defense is horrible and he's soft as hell. He's far from a top 10 PF of all time. There's a lot more to being a great PF than having nice post moves.

Bruno
05-18-2011, 04:27 PM
Obviously there would be a lot of changes made to this list. I'd say about 7-10 players from the '97 list would get the boot in favor of those who dominated from '97-'11.

Gibby23
05-18-2011, 04:49 PM
Yes to Duncan, Malone, McHale and Barkley.

Dirk is better than Garnett with or without the ring.
Shawn Kemp? LOL
Bob Pettit and Elvin Hayes were great but Dirk is better, even moreso after the ring he could get this year.

I think Dirk is better than KG as well. I heard a stat this morning that Dirk averages 25+ppg and 10+rpg in his postseason career. That is impressive.

Rentzias
05-18-2011, 04:55 PM
I think Dirk is better than KG as well. I heard a stat this morning that Dirk averages 25+ppg and 10+rpg in his postseason career. That is impressive.

Wait. Are we talking post-season? Cause Dirk > KG in terms of career, not just post-season, is incorrect.

Lakersfan2483
05-18-2011, 06:06 PM
Guys that are definitely top 50 players since the list was created are:

Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Reggie Miller
Allen Iverson
Dirk Nowitzki
Dwyane Wade
Lebron James
Gary Payton
Steve Nash
Jason Kidd
Other guys that can be considered also are: Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Paul Pierce, Durant, Melo.

Lakersfan2483
05-18-2011, 06:09 PM
Yes to Duncan, Malone, McHale and Barkley.

Dirk is better than Garnett with or without the ring.
Shawn Kemp? LOL
Bob Pettit and Elvin Hayes were great but Dirk is better, even moreso after the ring he could get this year.

Dirk is a better scorer, but there is no way a prime Dirk is better than a prime Kevin Garnett. KG impacts the game much more. KG is the better post player, defender, rebounder, team defender, leader and he has the numbers overall in his favor. When it is all said and done, Dirk will have more career points, but that is it. Kevin beats him in every other major category.

For his career, Kevin has over 20,000 pts, over 12,000 rebounds, close to 5000 assists, close to 2000 blks and steals and that puts him in elite company with guys like Wilt, Malone, Kareem, Hakeem, etc... KG is a top 20 player of all time.

CityofChaos
05-18-2011, 06:17 PM
Dirk is a better scorer, but there is no way a prime Dirk is better than a prime Kevin Garnett. KG impacts the game much more. KG is the better post player, defender, rebounder, team defender, leader and he has the numbers overall in his favor. When it is all said and done, Dirk will have more career points, but that is it. Kevin beats him in every other major category.

A lot of new fans dont know how good Garnett was in his prime so I agree with what youre saying. Same goes for TMac-- he was almost unstoppable during his stint with Orlando.

Dirk is a terrific scorer, but that itself still does not negate the fact that he is a terrible defender and post player for his height.

Astronaut
05-18-2011, 06:19 PM
I don't think the list can be changed to add players who are dominant in the league today, anything can happen in a few years.. Both positively and negatively.. We should wait to add players after they retire.

Lakersfan2483
05-18-2011, 06:21 PM
A lot of new fans dont know how good Garnett was in his prime so I agree with what youre saying. Same goes for TMac-- he was almost unstoppable during his stint with Orlando.

Dirk is a terrific scorer, but that itself still does not negate the fact that he is a terrible defender and post player for his height.

Agreed. I have seen both at their best and Kevin was the better overall player and was more impactful, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Kevin's bball IQ is second to none and his ability to pass the ball is underrated.

Rentzias
05-18-2011, 06:45 PM
Agreed. I have seen both at their best and Kevin was the better overall player and was more impactful, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Kevin's bball IQ is second to none and his ability to pass the ball is underrated.

Right, I was going to say, one way to differentiate on the surface is to look at the All-NBA column for both on basketball reference, and you'll see that Garnett's doubled from the amount of All-NBA Defensive teams he's been on compared to Dirk (0). And as you mentioned, his passing (dude had back to back 6 apg, 5 apg seasons) at that position is near-unparalleled.

Tanakid777
05-18-2011, 06:46 PM
not in my book.

i would take duncan, malone, mchale, barkley, garnett, kemp, pettit, hayes before dirk.

Kemp couldn't shine Dirk's shoes. Petit is questionable as well. I'd like to see Dirk play in a league where the average height of a Center was 6'4"

MacFitz92
05-18-2011, 06:47 PM
Kemp couldn't shine Dirk's shoes. Petit is questionable as well. I'd like to see Dirk play in a league where the average height of a Center was 6'4"

"It's like shooting over a chair."

Tanakid777
05-18-2011, 06:57 PM
A lot of new fans dont know how good Garnett was in his prime so I agree with what youre saying. Same goes for TMac-- he was almost unstoppable during his stint with Orlando.

Dirk is a terrific scorer, but that itself still does not negate the fact that he is a terrible defender and post player for his height.

LOL. Dirk will never be a great defender, but he hasn't been "terrible" in about 5 years. He's been decent for a while, esepecially in one on one post ups. He strips it away better than many guards and his help D has improved drastically since the last time most people in this forum actually watched more Mavs games than just a couple playoff games