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nickdymez
05-17-2011, 01:31 AM
Like what franchise do you think he will be remembered by in 20 years? As a Laker fan i want to say LA, but as a basketball fan i have to say the Bulls.. They were the most dominate dynasty ive ever seen.

davids22
05-17-2011, 01:35 AM
In my opinion, when people think of the Bulls dynasty, they think of Michael Jordan first. When people think of the Lakers dynasty, they think of Kobe, Shaq, and Phil all pretty equally. Phil had established himself as a great coach by the time he joined LA, and continued to make that known as he won 3 championships. People still respected Phil in LA during the whole Kobe-wanting-out fiasco, but it was Phil who finally was able to coach Kobe to his fullest, and use that with Pau Gasol to win another 2 finals while making 3 more appearances.

I voted for both equally.

championships
05-17-2011, 01:37 AM
People will remember both when they talk about Phil.

DeyAce
05-17-2011, 01:39 AM
Bulls. He coached the greatest player of all time.

conway429
05-17-2011, 01:52 AM
It's both, but I said the Lakers, slightly.
Jordan was the Bulls and he tends to overshadow Phil Jackson's time there.
He was more of a celebrity during his time with LA.

Cubs Win
05-17-2011, 01:54 AM
I think both. Sure he had Jordan with the Bulls, but that's also where he did it first. If he wasn't the caliber of coach he was with the Bulls, who knows if he even has the job with the Lakers.

GoatMilk
05-17-2011, 01:58 AM
Bulls

he's more well received over there than he is in L.A.
and why not count titles. more in Chicago than L.A.

MalZee24
05-17-2011, 02:12 AM
Bulls.

pd1dish
05-17-2011, 02:22 AM
i think that even the average NBA fan will remember him as the Bulls coach as well as the Lakers coach. he won 11 championships total so hes obviously going to always be in the discussion for GOAT coach and he had pretty much the same amount of success for both teams. 6 championships with the Bulls vs. 5 championships with the Lakers is like splitting hairs.

the only reason i think that it goes with the Bulls is because he had Michael Jordan with the Bulls and i think that the legacies of Jordan, Pippen, and Phil Jackson all fall together.

Jewelz0376
05-17-2011, 02:32 AM
tough call...I can see it go either way...so i'll say equal

Iron24th
05-17-2011, 02:33 AM
Both,but that's a fact he was a little more successful in chicago than L.A :

- chicago 6 titles (6 Finals appearances) in 10 years
- L.A 5 titles (7 Finals appearances) in 10 years ,not that bad

Antipod
05-17-2011, 02:59 AM
Both equal.

PrettyBoyJ
05-17-2011, 03:07 AM
Both,but that's a fact he was a little more successful in chicago than L.A :

- chicago 6 titles (6 Finals appearances) in 10 years
- L.A 5 titles (7 Finals appearances) in 10 years ,not that bad

His resume is pretty impressive when you sit back and look at it..

Iron24th
05-17-2011, 03:18 AM
His resume is pretty impressive when you sit back and look at it..

Yep,unreal 11 titles,13 Finals appearances in 20 years :speechless:

ChiSox219
05-17-2011, 03:26 AM
Bulls

king4day
05-17-2011, 03:48 AM
Gonna be pretty even.
7 finals appearances with LA and 5 titles.
6 titles with Chicago.

People now might say LA more so cuz that's what he did lately]

mbarajas138
05-17-2011, 03:59 AM
both

Bulls_fan90
05-17-2011, 04:20 AM
Great thread. Very tough to choose, I'd probably say Chicago but i guess it could go either way. Great coach. I wonder what Phil would say if he's asked in a few years after it all sinks in.

metsbulls1025
05-17-2011, 04:24 AM
The only thing I would love to see is him get 3-4 years with a nobody team and see how he coaches. When you have Jordan/Pippen and Bryant/Shaq for almost your entire career it is hard not to lose. I loved his time in Chicago, but would still love to see what he could do with a time like Memphis or Charlotte.

SP17
05-17-2011, 04:34 AM
Both..

vdv36
05-17-2011, 04:38 AM
ummmmm never got sweapt in playoffs as bulls hc... doesn't really matter who thinks they should claim him... 6 rings with bulls 5 with LA... go figure:shrug: do the math...

vdv36
05-17-2011, 04:43 AM
The only thing I would love to see is him get 3-4 years with a nobody team and see how he coaches. When you have Jordan/Pippen and Bryant/Shaq for almost your entire career it is hard not to lose. I loved his time in Chicago, but would still love to see what he could do with a time like Memphis or Charlotte.

other coaches had those same players and couldn't take them the level he took them... sorry but your request would be like trading in a Benz for a ford focus!!! it will never happen!! comparing Memphis with Charlotte:facepalm:

Kyben36
05-17-2011, 04:50 AM
Phil jackson legacy is not with the bulls, nor the lakers, but what he did with both teams. it proves he is one of the best coaches of all time, if not the greatest. the fact that he had 6 championships with the bulls, and 5 with the lakers. its the pure amount of tittles he has that makes him great. not the fact that he did it with one team or the other. he was a great. still is, but dont know if his time is up or not.

eugene
05-17-2011, 06:03 AM
For me it is still Jordan, Pippen, Rodman and Jackson... Not Kobe, Gasol, Artest and Jackson :D

todu82
05-17-2011, 06:56 AM
With the Bulls

PHX2daDEATH
05-17-2011, 07:41 AM
For me it is still Jordan, Pippen, Rodman and Jackson... Not Kobe, Gasol, Artest and Jackson :D
x2

6 titles > 5 titles..thats all that matters..and if you think about it, Phil would not have coached Shaq and Kobe if he didn't win 6 titles with the bulls in the first Place....

quade36
05-17-2011, 08:44 AM
His legacy will be his time playing for the Knicks :)

ne3xchamps
05-17-2011, 08:50 AM
I voted bulls because come on, they were the most dominant dynasty in the past 20 years. Plus if Phil wasn't so successful in chicago, he wouldn't have gotten the job in LA, so it all starts where he gained his reputation.

Hellcrooner
05-17-2011, 09:01 AM
both.

but his best coaching job was in the 02 ring since his roster was the less deep he ever coached to a ring.

zB_#85
05-17-2011, 09:27 AM
Neither...or both. However you want to put it.

Phil will be remembered for his 11 rings. That was a combination of the jobs he did in both Chi and LA. His overall dominance during his coaching era and winning 11 times will be considered more of an accomplishment than the single body of work in Chi or the single body of work in LA.

--23--
05-17-2011, 09:33 AM
Bulls

- He coached the greatest player ever and best back court duo.
- Won 6 titles
- 95-96 Bulls hold the regular season record with 72 wins

JonnyBrav000
05-17-2011, 09:42 AM
Both equal, but a slight edge to LA because in Chicago he had the greatest ever and in LA he's hittin the owner's daughter, and she not bad looking either. Go Phil.

Me and Mr. T
05-17-2011, 09:43 AM
Bulls

- He coached the greatest player ever and best back court duo.
- Won 6 titles
- 95-96 Bulls hold the regular season record with 72 wins

That's exactly what I was going to say. Well said! :clap:

cambovenzi
05-17-2011, 09:46 AM
x2

6 titles > 5 titles..thats all that matters..and if you think about it, Phil would not have coached Shaq and Kobe if he didn't win 6 titles with the bulls in the first Place....

He won his first coaching championship with the Albany Patroons.
And if you think about it he never would have coached MJ and Pippen if he edidnt win a title with the Patroons in the first place..

Therefore his legacy is obviously with the Patroons
:rolleyes:

ChitownSports16
05-17-2011, 09:47 AM
Dont know if this is even a question... Bulls.

ChicagoRox
05-17-2011, 09:48 AM
Both. Jordan is GOAT and Kobe is pretty damn high up there as well. Everyone will remembers the greatest players coaches. So people will always remember he coached both. Older fans will remember the Bulls and younger fans will remember the Lakers.

kozelkid
05-17-2011, 10:46 AM
Bulls for two reasons.
1) It was the most dominant dynasty in recent memory.
2) Competition of the league was much higher than his 3 peat with LA. Let's be honest, the league was a joke at the time and Shaq demolished everyone.
This is for me.

Unfortunately, people are prisoners of the moment so I can see an average NBA fan looking at him more as a Laker than a Bull.

ChicagoJ
05-17-2011, 10:56 AM
First, it's hard to talk about Phil Jackson's success without bringing up Tex Winter who may be the primary reason both the Bulls and Lakers were winning like they did. He was the engineer of the triangle offense.

With that said, his time with the bulls was historic as it was near flawless. But, I don't think it is either or. He will be remembered for both teams. He got a little lucky IMO, but still a great coach.

John Walls Era
05-17-2011, 11:00 AM
When I think of Chicago, I think of MJ, Pippen and Dennis. When I think of the Lakers, I think of Phil vs. Kobe. Going to be the Lakers to me, but Bulls is also a part of his legacy.

miller74
05-17-2011, 11:12 AM
Phil Jackson legacy is that he coached 2 different teams to 10 rings. Time with Bulls adds as much to the legacy as time with Lakers, thats what makes him who he is.

Sly Guy
05-17-2011, 11:37 AM
he's not leaving LA, no matter what he says. Dude just flat out LIES about his retirement every damned time. So to me, his 'legacy' isn't sealed yet.

synister281
05-17-2011, 11:43 AM
The NBA had some of the best competition EVER when Phil won his first few championships with the Bulls. The Pistons, Knicks, Pacers were all top caliber teams who could have easily been champions if it wasn't for the Bulls blocking them. Phil almost got the Bulls back to the championship when Jordan retired too if it wasn't for some officiating question marks.

He brought a team together in 96 which was one of the best teams in NBA history.

His Lakers teams were no joke either though, he had Kobe & Shaq in their primes and dominated the league. But honestly, the game chanced when the MJ, Barkley, Ewing, etc. generation left and Phil stepped into a GREAT position with LA.

I'd give the edge to the Bulls, but like someone said, alot of the younger generation will remember him as a Laker coach since they didn't get to see what the NBA was in the late 80s/early 90s.

DaBUU
05-17-2011, 11:44 AM
I'm gonna say Bulls, but in reality, he'll be remembered for both. I'd love for Phil to join the Bulls org. in some type of capacity in the future, doubt it'll happen tho.

deuce
05-17-2011, 11:58 AM
I was born in 91 so it'd be Lakers, I followed the Bulls in the 90's, as did every kid around me because of MJ but didn't know who the coach actually was.

blacknell
05-17-2011, 12:02 PM
bulls because he never lost in the finals with them and had a 72-10 team

justinnum1
05-17-2011, 12:19 PM
jackson with the bulls was like riley with the lakers.

PhillyFaninLA
05-17-2011, 12:22 PM
Your legacy is your mark, value, and importance. Your legacy is how you will be remembered. Your legacy is your complete body of work.

I don't think you can separate the 2 as part of his legacy.

haggis
05-17-2011, 12:26 PM
For me, it will always be the Bulls for obvious reasons.

I'll never forget (in my raspiest, deepest voice):

"TONIIIIIIIII ROTATE!!!!!"

"SCOTTIEEEE!!!"

"HORACE.... MOVE!!!"

Avenged
05-17-2011, 12:30 PM
Yeah, both.

People will remember him mostly on the Lakers due to the fact that it's fresh on our minds and because this season is his last.

If he switched teams (Lakers in the 90's and Bulls right now) people would mostly remember him for the Bulls.

k.smith904
05-17-2011, 12:36 PM
The Bulls, where he won 6 championships with the greatest player of all time, and would've won 8 straight if MJ didn't go play baseball.

Sorry but the lakers already had a legacy before PJ came, he and MJ turned the Bulls into a dynasty.

Bruno
05-17-2011, 12:51 PM
Both, as well as with the Knicks as a player.

Ripper Gein
05-17-2011, 12:55 PM
people tend to have short attention spans so.........Lakers!!

Bruno
05-17-2011, 12:55 PM
These poll results are a joke :laugh:

IDB Josh M
05-17-2011, 02:33 PM
Both equally. If PJax retired OR floundered with Kobe-Shaq, then anyone with half a brain will forever say that Michael Jordan was the reason why the Bulls had two 3-peats (and a potential 8-peat as the superfans and k. smith would say). But because he took over the Lakers job and instantly brought his winning ways to Los Angeles, Phil has quite a glowing legacy.

Let's also not forget how he turned a lottery lakers team into a playoff team; followed up by a simple integration of a mid season traded player and making it to the finals three years in a row (with 2 repeat championships.)

Let's also not forget this stat, Robert Horry and Shaq are the only two players that come to mind that won titles without Phil Jackson. The asterisk is Horry needed Popavich and Shaq needed Pat Riley to do that. Jordan can't say that. Kobe has a chance to add that statistic to his resume.

Edit: I would love to see how PJax would have coached Lebron in Cleveland. Probably would have turned Mo Williams into a true all star point guard.

Gibby23
05-17-2011, 02:36 PM
He became a great coach with the Bulls and one of the best ever after he left the Lakers.

Hellcrooner
05-17-2011, 02:37 PM
The Bulls, where he won 6 championships with the greatest player of all time, and would've won 8 straight if MJ didn't go play baseball.

Sorry but the lakers already had a legacy before PJ came, he and MJ turned the Bulls into a dynasty.

1995.

bulls got OUSTEd WITH MJ on the roster.

A fact that conveniently gets hidden in every Jordan article in the web,tv biopics and etc etc.

MJ-BULLS
05-17-2011, 02:40 PM
When i think of the Bulls, the thing that immediately comes to mind is, MJ, Pip, Rodman, and the head master, Phil Jackson. Now i didn't see all the dynasty years the bulls played in the 90's, only the last 3 years of the three-peat when i was a kid.

But imo Jackson's legacy will be in the Bulls favor, id give us the slightest edge. For young nba fans of the early 2000's, they would say the lakers of course.

34Dayz
05-17-2011, 04:39 PM
Bull's and 00-03 Laker's.

--23--
05-17-2011, 05:53 PM
Also another reason why I say it's the Bulls, That 95-96 Bulls team is like the measuring stick for the media and fans. Along with winning championships (3peats). Everytime a team plays well in the beginning/midway through the season, the media and fans will say can so and so beat that Bulls record. That imo makes his Bulls legacy greater than his Lakers legacy.

jrm2054
05-17-2011, 06:03 PM
Bulls

metsbulls1025
05-17-2011, 06:08 PM
other coaches had those same players and couldn't take them the level he took them... sorry but your request would be like trading in a Benz for a ford focus!!! it will never happen!! comparing Memphis with Charlotte:facepalm:

I don't understand why you have to get so salty. I am also not comparing Memphis and Charlotte. I just gave examples of teams.

All I said was I wanted to see him coach a less then stellar team. I am not taking away anything he has earned and I am not saying it takes anything away from him because he only coached amazing players for most of his career.

I just want to see him coach a team with average talent and no stars.

HAWKS.NO27
05-17-2011, 06:32 PM
Bulls hands down! He did the 3-Peat twice with us and did it first and it wouldve been 8 straight titles if Michael's father wasn't murdered, and decide to go play baseball. If he goes intot the HOF it'll be as the Bulls head coach.
Plus we already have a banner raised for him at the UC, Lakers I'm sure will but it won't be the same.

AirCanada15ORL
05-17-2011, 06:55 PM
its hard u cant take out either..
take out the bulls career he had and u dont have the fame he got/respect as he went to the lakers.

take out the lakers career he had n he wont be near as good of a coach for not continuing his success and ppl will say it was all Jordan.

tough

id give the edge to the Lakers tho. no Bulls actually. wait no Lakers...Bulls.

DaBear
05-17-2011, 09:41 PM
Bulls

Completed 2 3-peats.

Coached the greatest team ever (96 Bulls).

Never lost in the Finals.

DaBear
05-17-2011, 09:43 PM
1995.

bulls got OUSTEd WITH MJ on the roster.

A fact that conveniently gets hidden in every Jordan article in the web,tv biopics and etc etc.

How about a full season with MJ?

Bruno
05-17-2011, 10:31 PM
Some of responses in this thread serve as an indicator of the future of the NBA forum. Reason constantly over-shadowed by the dribble.

...it's almost getting as bad as the religion/politics forum in here.

CowboysKB24
05-17-2011, 11:14 PM
His legacy is with both.

Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Kobe, Shaq, etc are all going to be remembered forever. He had tremendous success with both teams. You really can't pick one in this case.