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ManRam
05-16-2011, 06:01 PM
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Bulls lead 1-0




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Miami Heat: Chicago Bulls:
Points: LeBron James - 26.7 Derrick Rose - 25.0
Rebounds: Chris Bosh - 8.3 Joakim Noah - 10.4
Assists: LeBron James - 7.0 Derrick Rose - 7.7
Blocks: Joel Anthony - 1.2 Joakim Noah - 1.5
Steals: LeBron James - 1.6 Ronnie Brewer - 1.3
Field Goal %: Erick Dampier - 58.4 Omer Asik - 55.3
3-Point %: Mike Bibby - 45.5 Kyle Korver - 41.5
Efficient FG %: James Jones - 60.0 Omer Asik - 55.3
True Shooting %: James Jones - 62.9 Joakim Noah - 57.9
Minutes: LeBron James - 38.8 Luol Deng - 39.1
PER: LeBron James - 27.3 Derrick Rose - 23.5
Win Shares: LeBron James - 15.6 Derrick Rose - 13.1



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Chicago Wins Season Series 3-0

Bulls 99, Heat 96 - January 15, 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL7YLFgB_cc)

Bulls 93, Heat 89 - February 24, 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPBBU8DyYC0)

Bulls 87, Heat 86 - March 6, 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL7StbDv9ms)




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ManRam
05-16-2011, 06:02 PM
Props to kingbrentg for all the hard work making this. Got this up early so the other thread can be closed and you'll have somewhere to talk.

Enjoy!

jp611
05-16-2011, 06:03 PM
You'll have to change it to Game 2 ManRam

chitown815
05-16-2011, 06:06 PM
My favorite statline is wade vs Bogans lol

HesterTrain
05-16-2011, 06:07 PM
Two days before this one kicks off. This thread should fill up fast! Da Bulls take game 2.

jp611
05-16-2011, 06:09 PM
Gotta hold homecourt, the Heat are going to come out playing a lot better this game, it will be a lot closer this time, Bulls by 4

chitown815
05-16-2011, 06:11 PM
chicagobulls Chicago Bulls
D-Wade: “We can take losing, that’s a part of the game. But losing that way is just not the way the Miami Heat lose.” http://bit.ly/kDdpFI
chicagobulls Chicago Bulls
Heat coach Spoelstra: “We are still in a position to take control with a win on Wednesday.” http://bit.ly/kDdpFI
chicagobulls Chicago Bulls
LeBron on Game 1: “It’s just one win. We could lose by a hundred, but we’re in the playoffs and it’s just one game.” http://bit.ly/kDdpFI

Chi StateOfMind
05-16-2011, 06:12 PM
Ill be at the game rooting for the Bulls. Im pretty sure this is going to be a closer game but we gotta protect our house.

Bulls 97-91

Chi StateOfMind
05-16-2011, 06:14 PM
Is someone gunna make a OKC Vs Mavs GT?

Schmiggy
05-16-2011, 06:14 PM
Gotta have a W here. Sucks that this game is an extra day away. Keeping HCA is very important.

Chacarron
05-16-2011, 06:17 PM
If the Bulls can keep the same intensity on the defensive end, watch out league!

chitown815
05-16-2011, 06:19 PM
Rose stayed late after practice today, to study more game film, that is a leader

haggis
05-16-2011, 06:19 PM
Oprah :sigh:

NEED to keep HCA here...

justinnum1
05-16-2011, 06:20 PM
Heat win game 2 and take home court.

chitown815
05-16-2011, 06:21 PM
Heat win game 2 and take home court.

and then you woke up?

TheRunKiller
05-16-2011, 06:24 PM
Bulls will dominated the boards again...nothing miami can do about it

Bulls win game 2

nolin
05-16-2011, 06:29 PM
Bulls cant win by 20 again can they? atleast not in game 2. however Bulls will dominate on the glass again. Bulls win 95 to 87.

Khalifa21
05-16-2011, 06:29 PM
Heat win game 2 and take home court.


and then you woke up?

The first Heat fan in here supporting his team and he's shot down like he's predicting the T'Wolves to go 82-0 next year...

Why I love the NBA forum...

Master Mind
05-16-2011, 06:30 PM
Rose stayed late after practice today, to study more game film, that is a leader

What's that slurping sound?

Master Mind
05-16-2011, 06:30 PM
This game will be chippy

Heater4life
05-16-2011, 06:31 PM
Heat have to control the offensive glass!!!! I called it prior to the series kicking off and it remains just as important.

Keeping everything else constant and just limiting Chicago to half of there second chance point output (16pts). This becomes a tight game. This game was an utter collapse on the boards for the Heat. If they get outrebounded like this every game they will lose every game.

Other than that I was happy with their play, just tighten up on the turnovers a little and have more ball movement on the offense.

HuRRiCaNeS324
05-16-2011, 06:32 PM
HEAT lose rebounding battle, but don't get dominated, Wade and Lebron both score 25<, we play better D and O collectively, we win.

jp611
05-16-2011, 06:32 PM
The first Heat fan in here supporting his team and he's shot down like he's predicting the T'Wolves to go 82-0 next year...

Why I love the NBA forum...

T-Wolves will go 82-0 next year :shrug:

chitown815
05-16-2011, 06:33 PM
What's that slurping sound?

Its just funny Rose stays late to study more film, and the Heat just say this aint supposed to happen to us, like they are chosen ones and roll out

Heater4life
05-16-2011, 06:35 PM
Bulls cant win by 20 again can they? atleast not in game 2. however Bulls will dominate on the glass again. Bulls win 95 to 87.

I believe they will too. The question is at what rate. This game we got out rebounded by 19. :speechless:

Keep it somewhat tighter, 8 to 10 rebound advantage for you guys. This is a game.

HuRRiCaNeS324
05-16-2011, 06:38 PM
I believe they will too. The question is at what rate. This game we got out rebounded by 19. :speechless:

Keep it somewhat tighter, 8 to 10 rebound advantage for you guys. This is a game.

And that didnt happen not once this year. Dont give a **** what anyone says, they wont destroy us at that rate again. We will lose it, but not by nearly 20

HesterTrain
05-16-2011, 06:40 PM
What's that slurping sound?

And people wonder why these threads can't be civil.

allSUAVE
05-16-2011, 06:41 PM
Come on Man stir something up lol

justinnum1
05-16-2011, 06:42 PM
and then you woke up?

How old are you? 13?

justinnum1
05-16-2011, 06:43 PM
Come on Man stir something up lol

Wait till wednesday night after the heat win, **** will be stirred :)

haggis
05-16-2011, 06:43 PM
This game is going to be a lot closer than the first one.

Heater4life
05-16-2011, 06:43 PM
And that didnt happen not once this year. Dont give a **** what anyone says, they wont destroy us at that rate again. We will lose it, but not by nearly 20

Agree, but they have to come out and prove it. if we continue giving up 19 offensive rebounds for 30+ second chance points we have no chance in this series.

All that being said, all we need is to take 1 on the road. Win game 2 home court shifts. Its that simple, just need to execute and outplay a very good team.

ManRam
05-16-2011, 06:44 PM
The first Heat fan in here supporting his team and he's shot down like he's predicting the T'Wolves to go 82-0 next year...

Why I love the NBA forum...

:nod:

Gibby23
05-16-2011, 06:46 PM
Lebron is still waiting on his salad, the Bulls already had a serving. It was nice of Lebron to invite the Bulls to dinner.

Heater4life
05-16-2011, 06:47 PM
I think we had 8 fastbreak points the whole game. 4 of which came off turnovers.

I think the Heat should focus completely on the defensive glass, all 5 ready for the board and the box out. Beat the Bulls with your half-court offense and get f.b points on tuenovers.

naps
05-16-2011, 06:49 PM
The first Heat fan in here supporting his team and he's shot down like he's predicting the T'Wolves to go 82-0 next year...

Why I love the NBA forum...

What else can you expect from that fanbase?

SteBO
05-16-2011, 06:49 PM
I hope the Bulls don't outrebound us by 20 again. If that doesn't happen, we have a chance to steal homecourt. Hopefully LeBron and Wade play better too. I don't expect Bosh to score 30 again, but we need a double-double performance from him. This Bulls team, though I didn't think so at first, really is a matchup problem. Still, we have a shot.

Heater4life
05-16-2011, 06:50 PM
Lebron is still waiting on his salad, the Bulls already had a serving. It was nice of Lebron to invite the Bulls to dinner.

He was a bit bloated with lunch. He just eats too fast. His hunger will pick though.

:p

allSUAVE
05-16-2011, 06:51 PM
Who will win the Next game and why?

ManRam
05-16-2011, 06:51 PM
I think the Bulls will win this. I do think Miami will hold serve at home...game 5 will be very pivotal.

HesterTrain
05-16-2011, 06:52 PM
What else can you expect from that fanbase?
:rolleyes:

Heater4life
05-16-2011, 06:55 PM
I hope the Bulls don't outrebound us by 20 again. If that doesn't happen, we have a chance to steal homecourt. Hopefully LeBron and Wade play better too. I don't expect Bosh to score 30 again, but we need a double-double performance from him. This Bulls team, though I didn't think so at first, really is a matchup problem. Still, we have a shot.

Ehhh I just think we didnt exploit our advantages as we should have. When we stand around on mismatches we allow teams to double down without giving the lane to a cutter.

Chicago was daring us to shoot last night, but the Heat took it to them in the paint. (which i loved)

We'll see. The score is misleading in comparison to the deficiencies i saw on the court. Rebounding, thats all this is about (given everything else constant)

k.smith904
05-16-2011, 06:55 PM
Hope the Bulls just stick to the gameplan.

Hit open shots and limit turnovers, we should win.

ManRam
05-16-2011, 06:56 PM
And this thread is already off to a really great and intelligent start :rolleyes:

This will be very interesting. There is no way Wade and LeBron play as poorly as they did again, and I'd be surprised at the same time if Bosh played as well as he did again. Miami is gonna have to figure something out on the glass. Maybe sacrifice some fast break chances and get after the defensive glass. Seems like they get off and running a bit earlier than they should. They need to gang rebound better.

They shot a lot better from the field all game long, but they got out shot by 20 freaking shots! That's remarkable. Cut down the TOs and sell out on the glass...they simply have to do that to win...and it remains seen if it can be done.

Master Mind
05-16-2011, 06:56 PM
Question: Why is there a insert image option if you can't post images?

justinnum1
05-16-2011, 06:57 PM
Ehhh I just think we didnt exploit our advantages as we should have. When we stand around on mismatches we allow teams to double down without giving the lane to a cutter.

Chicago was daring us to shoot last night, but the Heat took it to them in the paint. (which i loved)

We'll see. The score is misleading in comparison to the deficiencies i saw on the court. Rebounding, thats all this is about (given everything else constant)

Yep, we focus on rebounding and play the same defense but dont let them get 30second chance points, let them get no more than 14 second chance and we should be good. Chicago is expected to win the first 2, miami needs 1, if we win wednesday night everything changes.

SteBO
05-16-2011, 06:57 PM
Question: Why is there a insert image option if you can't post images?
I don't really know. It's just the rule.

Master Mind
05-16-2011, 06:58 PM
Wait till wednesday night after the heat win, **** will be stirred :)

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Master Mind
05-16-2011, 06:59 PM
I don't really know. It's just the rule.

Weird

SteBO
05-16-2011, 06:59 PM
Insert image:

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:up: :laugh2:

AddiX
05-16-2011, 06:59 PM
2nd chance points will be the end of Miami this season.

And for Christ sakes, will lebron ever stop with this ridiculous isolation play, time after time, It's the same crap over and over and good defenses aren't going to give him those lanes.

The guy simply is not willing to change his game. And each time he's eliminated it's obvious once his isolation isn't working he is useless.

Heater4life
05-16-2011, 07:00 PM
And this thread is already off to a really great and intelligent start :rolleyes:

This will be very interesting. There is no way Wade and LeBron play as poorly as they did again, and I'd be surprised at the same time if Bosh played as well as he did again. Miami is gonna have to figure something out on the glass. Maybe sacrifice some fast break chances and get after the defensive glass. Seems like they get off and running a bit earlier than they should. They need to gang rebound better.

They shot a lot better from the field all game long, but they got out shot by 20 freaking shots! That's remarkable. Cut down the TOs and sell out on the glass...they simply have to do that to win...and it remains seen if it can be done.

My thoughts exactly, I think they can get easy buckets off of turnovers.

SteBO
05-16-2011, 07:01 PM
2nd chance points will be the end of Miami this season.

And for Christ sakes, will lebron ever stop with this ridiculous isolation play, time after time, It's the same crap over and over and good defenses aren't going to give him those lanes.

The guy simply is not willing to change his game. And each time he's eliminated it's obvious once his isolation isn't working he is useless.
I threw my remote at the TV in the third quarter when he was doing that ****. He played right into the Bulls' hands. Wade was no different either.

nolin
05-16-2011, 07:02 PM
I think mike miller will see a little more time for miami this game. and they need to get production from him atleast 10 points in 5 rebs. hes been a bust all year for them ( and i know some of it is due to injury ) . if they have any shot at winning this game the bench has to come through. Heat cannot afford to fall down 0 -2 or this will truly be a 5 game series.

Heater4life
05-16-2011, 07:02 PM
Insert image:

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Who is that??? I find that guy so annoying. He looks like un sapingo!!!

ManRam
05-16-2011, 07:03 PM
The Heat just don't run offensive sets. Everything is so mundane and simplistic. They iso way too much for sure.

Wilson
05-16-2011, 07:06 PM
Question: Why is there a insert image option if you can't post images?


I don't really know. It's just the rule.


Weird

I think it's just part of vBulletin, I don't think PSD can really turn the option off. But it's not allowed because it will slow the site down a lot I think.

Also it's used for the OP in gamethreads.

HesterTrain
05-16-2011, 07:06 PM
Who is that??? I find that guy so annoying. He looks like un sapingo!!!

Is he wearing a Chicago Bears hat?

k.smith904
05-16-2011, 07:07 PM
The Heat just don't run offensive sets. Everything is so mundane and simplistic. They iso way too much for sure.

and you can't learn an offense in 72 hours.

Crackadalic
05-16-2011, 07:07 PM
Miami Iso game is what the Bulls want. If the ball isnt moving around I predict the bulls to be up 2-0

ManRam
05-16-2011, 07:10 PM
and you can't learn an offense in 72 hours.

True. But, I don't care if it's cliche or whatever, but as long as you have LeBron and Wade, you'll have a shot. :shrug:

They can make something out of nothing as well as anyone in the league.

Master Mind
05-16-2011, 07:11 PM
I think it's just part of vBulletin, I don't think PSD can really turn the option off. But it's not allowed because it will slow the site down a lot I think.

Also it's used for the OP in gamethreads.

Oh alright. Thanks for clearing it up

BoozerYells
05-16-2011, 07:12 PM
The heat are in trouble. They can not rebound with the bulls. The bulls have dominated them on the boards every single game this year. You would think that lebron and wade would do something about it because securing rebounds would help their team win. It seems all they care about is fast breaks and doing cool dunks.

But if wade or lebron are forced to be under the hoop to grab rebounds, that really takes away from one of their strong suits which is their transition game. When they do snag the occasional rebound, lebron/wade are running the floor already and they get a couple easy buckets per game because of that

BoozerYells
05-16-2011, 07:15 PM
I truly believe the mentality of lebron and rose are completely different
Rose thinks "this isn't working. i need to figure out what works or else we will lose"
Lebron thinks "this isn't working. i need to dribble around and try some crazy long fadaway jumper to try and score because im supposed to be able to score at will"

ManRam
05-16-2011, 07:17 PM
The heat are in trouble. They can not rebound with the bulls. The bulls have dominated them on the boards every single game this year. You would think that lebron and wade would do something about it because securing rebounds would help their team win. It seems all they care about is fast breaks and doing cool dunks.

But if wade or lebron are forced to be under the hoop to grab rebounds, that really takes away from one of their strong suits which is their transition game. When they do snag the occasional rebound, lebron/wade are running the floor already and they get a couple easy buckets per game because of that

It's definitely a predicament. They're gonna have to sacrifice something. I think I'd rather prevent second chance points than try so hard for fast break points. Assuming they do focus on rebounding like we all feel they should, it really is going to force them to play extremely well in the half court offensive sets.

mania03
05-16-2011, 07:18 PM
Heat win game 2. LBJ 37pts ...D wade 28 pts CB 16 Pts !

justinnum1
05-16-2011, 07:20 PM
It's definitely a predicament. They're gonna have to sacrifice something. I think I'd rather prevent second chance points than try so hard for fast break points. Assuming they do focus on rebounding like we all feel they should, it really is going to force them to play extremely well in the half court offensive sets.

Miami held Chicago to 37% shooting on initial defense, if they can grab more rebounds they wont really need transitino points because they can hold chicago to under 40%. They cant allow more than 10 offensive rebounds.

k.smith904
05-16-2011, 07:21 PM
Heat win game 2. LBJ 37pts ...D wade 28 pts CB 16 Pts !

Bulls win.

Bogans triple double, Korver with 20 boards. Noah hits game winning 3.

nolin
05-16-2011, 07:21 PM
Heat win game 2. LBJ 37pts ...D wade 28 pts CB 16 Pts !

Ha .its going to be hard for them to score 81 points together once in this series. highly unlikely they do in game 2 at the mad house.

D1JM
05-16-2011, 07:23 PM
i said it in the last game thread that rebounds were going to be huge. i was right.

Draco
05-16-2011, 07:25 PM
I truly believe the mentality of lebron and rose are completely different
Rose thinks "this isn't working. i need to figure out what works or else we will lose"
Lebron thinks "this isn't working. i need to dribble around and try some crazy long fadaway jumper to try and score because im supposed to be able to score at will"

Rose is coachable.. Lebron- considering his history with Mike Brown- not so much.

MJ-BULLS
05-16-2011, 07:25 PM
This game will be closer than the first, but i think the bulls are going to take care of business and win this game. Our defense will be suffocating again.

justinnum1
05-16-2011, 07:25 PM
i said it in the last game thread that rebounds were going to be huge. i was right.

Congrats, you and every other person said that.

nolin
05-16-2011, 07:25 PM
Bulls win.

Bogans triple double, Korver with 20 boards. Noah hits game winning 3.

you forgot taj gibson posterizing Lebron.. O

edit: Nevermind lebron is smart enough to get out the way. only Jordan crawford can dunk on him

Wilson
05-16-2011, 07:27 PM
Oh alright. Thanks for clearing it up

You're welcome :cheers:

MJ-BULLS
05-16-2011, 07:27 PM
Bulls win.

Bogans triple double, Korver with 20 boards. Noah hits game winning 3.

Not going to happen.

D Roses Bulls
05-16-2011, 07:27 PM
The first Heat fan in here supporting his team and he's shot down like he's predicting the T'Wolves to go 82-0 next year...

Why I love the NBA forum...

the hatred for the bulls you have is just pathetic.

k.smith904
05-16-2011, 07:29 PM
Not going to happen.

Because I was dead serious.

:sigh:

D1JM
05-16-2011, 07:30 PM
Congrats, you and every other person said that.

i dont really care if your mom said it too. i am just pointing out what i thought would be a critical point.

Khalifa21
05-16-2011, 07:31 PM
Insert image:

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj1iibfMfW1qc1jg4o1_400.gif

I needed a new sig... #BASED

ManRam
05-16-2011, 07:31 PM
the hatred for the bulls you have is just pathetic.

He has a point though :shrug:

JNA17
05-16-2011, 07:35 PM
and you can't learn an offense in 72 hours.

sure you can, in fact, i will give a quick learning lesson on an offense right now.

pick and roll.

1. one guy holds the ball above 3 point line.
2. other guy comes over and sets the screen for the guy holding the ball.
3. the guy holding the ball moves to the other guy setting the screen's side.
4. the other guy that set the screen now runs down to the basket.
5. The guy holding the ball either drives or passes it to the guy that set the screen and ran to the basket.
6. Result: ???
7. profit!!!

There! In seven (errrr...five) easy steps, you too, can learn in offense in less then 72 hours!

MJ-BULLS
05-16-2011, 07:35 PM
Because I was dead serious.

:sigh:

You were using the sarcasm button i suppose. ;)

D Roses Bulls
05-16-2011, 07:36 PM
He has a point though :shrug:

I meant overall, I was just reading his comments in the first game thread.

allSUAVE
05-16-2011, 07:38 PM
He has a point though :shrug:

He defiantly did have a point.

Everything is hatred with that dude if it don't favor his team.

Sir Buckets
05-16-2011, 07:39 PM
Not going to happen.For real. Noah for the game winning 3? C'mon son. More like Scalabrine for free Big Macs :p

RIPSweetness34
05-16-2011, 07:39 PM
The Heat just don't run offensive sets. Everything is so mundane and simplistic. They iso way too much for sure.

It's street ball, has been all year. They just kill people with fastbreak points and athleticism. But as the Bulls have shown that if u hustle and get back to play defense this team is not very effective or very well coached.

Master Mind
05-16-2011, 07:41 PM
I needed a new sig... #BASED

:hi5:

k.smith904
05-16-2011, 07:42 PM
You were using the sarcasm button i suppose. ;)

always :laugh2:

Sergio1984
05-16-2011, 07:45 PM
Bulls by 6.

Master Mind
05-16-2011, 07:51 PM
Who is that??? I find that guy so annoying. He looks like un sapingo!!!

:laugh2: It's Lil B aka Based God... formerly of the group The Pack best known for their single "Vans"...

JNA17
05-16-2011, 07:55 PM
:laugh2: It's Lil B aka Based God... formerly of the group The Pack best known for their single "Vans"...

maybe it's because I'm not really into rap music that much but how the **** do you guys know these random people?

k.smith904
05-16-2011, 07:56 PM
:laugh2: It's Lil B aka Based God... formerly of the group The Pack best known for their single "Vans"...

damn totally forgot about the pack. bout to load up itunes and get hyphy in this piece.

:cool:

Master Mind
05-16-2011, 07:56 PM
maybe it's because I'm not really into rap music that much but how the **** do you guys know these random people?

I'm into all music but rap more so...

Master Mind
05-16-2011, 07:57 PM
damn totally forgot about the pack. bout to load up itunes and get hyphy in this piece.

:cool:

I forgot about the Hyphy movement...Everyone's doing the dougie and the cat daddy now

Jewelz0376
05-16-2011, 07:58 PM
Got my Vans on but they look like sneakers

Master Mind
05-16-2011, 08:00 PM
Got my Vans on but they look like sneakers

:dance:

D1JM
05-16-2011, 08:02 PM
I forgot about the Hyphy movement...Everyone's doing the dougie and the cat daddy now

sucks that he got killed.

Edit: that M-bone got killed.

Khalifa21
05-16-2011, 08:03 PM
I meant overall, I was just reading his comments in the first game thread.

What exactly did I say that epitomizes my hatred?

Is it because I don't agree that Rose is a top 5 player in the league? Is it because I find it quite humorous that it only appears to be Bulls fans that think this is the case?

theheatles
05-16-2011, 08:04 PM
i think wade drops 40 and heat coast to the win with the rebound differential no more than 5

SP17
05-16-2011, 08:08 PM
One of wade or james will have a monster game but still heat would lose by 4-6 points because this time bosh will have the ugly game.. just my thoughts.

Master Mind
05-16-2011, 08:09 PM
sucks that he got killed.

Edit: that M-bone got killed.

Yeah man, he was only 21 too.

nolin
05-16-2011, 08:12 PM
i think wade drops 40 and heat coast to the win with the rebound differential no more than 5

i think its probably a good idea you lay down the pipe to whatever your smokin

shrek
05-16-2011, 08:13 PM
obviously the Bulls

Cano4prez
05-16-2011, 08:15 PM
I honestly predicted that the Heat would lose game 1 but with game 2, but after a loss like that I don't know. Hoping for the Heat in a close one

Cano4prez
05-16-2011, 08:15 PM
BTW Lil B is the best rapper alive

ManRam
05-16-2011, 08:19 PM
I honestly predicted that the Heat would lose game 1 but with game 2, but after a loss like that I don't know. Hoping for the Heat in a close one

You did. For some reason that sticks out in my mind. You were adamant it would be game 2.


BTW Lil B is the best rapper alive

You got jokes!

Cano4prez
05-16-2011, 08:36 PM
You got jokes!
:confused:

Schmiggy
05-16-2011, 08:37 PM
Bulls by 8 in game 2. Bulls will once again out rebound them and get more second chance points but not by the margin of the first game.

davids22
05-16-2011, 08:45 PM
Heat only needed to take one of the first two to take control of the series. Hoping game 1 was a blessing in disguise. It's going to be much closer, and I see Lebron or Wade having a much better game then before.

Heat by 5.

k.smith904
05-16-2011, 08:51 PM
Heat only needed to take one of the first two to take control of the series. Hoping game 1 was a blessing in disguise. It's going to be much closer, and I see Lebron or Wade having a much better game then before.

Heat by 5.

Maybe.

Sadds The Gr8
05-16-2011, 08:53 PM
BTW Lil B is the best rapper alive

ohh my gawd based god! u can **** my ***** based god. SWAG on a hundred thousand trillion. SWAG. WOOP!

Cubs Win
05-16-2011, 08:54 PM
Heat only needed to take one of the first two to take control of the series. Hoping game 1 was a blessing in disguise. It's going to be much closer, and I see Lebron or Wade having a much better game then before.

Heat by 5.

That's what I'm worried about but I think Thibs will be able to continue to out-coach Spo and keep his adjustments one step ahead.

I think the Bulls will take this one by 5-10.

matt_the_hulk
05-16-2011, 08:57 PM
I think the Bull's best is better than the Heat's best. This is strictly because of the defense. If the Bulls maintain that level intensity, even great games by Wade and LeBron given the defensive circumstances, will result in a close loss by the Heat. It's nothing against the Heat, they just don't have the help to relieve pressure.

Thibodeau has brainwashed these Bulls and I feel bad for the competition. How this man has gone that long without an NBA head coach position is beyond me. He's a mastermind and we are all witnessing it now.

madvillian9
05-16-2011, 09:00 PM
I think the Bull's best is better than the Heat's best. This is strictly because of the defense. If the Bulls maintain that level intensity, even great games by Wade and LeBron given the defensive circumstances, will result in a close loss by the Heat. It's nothing against the Heat, they just don't have the help to relieve pressure.

Thibodeau has brainwashed these Bulls and I feel bad for the competition. How this man has gone that long without an NBA head coach position is beyond me. He's a mastermind and we are all witnessing it now.

you go to maine west?

roshan3ai
05-16-2011, 09:11 PM
i think its probably a good idea you lay down the pipe to whatever your smokin

:laugh: Shame on him for giving us a prediction

h2r09
05-16-2011, 09:13 PM
That's what I'm worried about but I think Thibs will be able to continue to out-coach Spo and keep his adjustments one step ahead.

I think the Bulls will take this one by 5-10.

how exactly did tom thibedeau out coach spo? he played there best players and the players took advantage where they have one. how is that spo being outcoached? he simply does not hve the personnel to matchup with the bulls. what happened yesterday on the boards had nothing to do with thibodeau

matt_the_hulk
05-16-2011, 09:17 PM
you go to maine west?

Yea I did, 2004, you?

ChicagoRox
05-16-2011, 09:20 PM
you go to maine west?

I graduated from there.

justinnum1
05-16-2011, 09:26 PM
:laugh: Shame on him for giving us a prediction

For real, getting attacked for giving an opinion...:pity:

madvillian9
05-16-2011, 09:27 PM
Yea I did, 2004, you?

yea, 99

madvillian9
05-16-2011, 09:28 PM
I graduated from there.

what year?

championships
05-16-2011, 09:28 PM
Bulls ONLY win by 10 this time :D

ManRam
05-16-2011, 09:28 PM
:laugh: Shame on him for giving us a prediction

No predictions are allowed unless you predict that MY TEAM is doing good things!!!

That's how PSD works. If you aren't thinking like me, you iz a hater!

fishfan79
05-16-2011, 09:43 PM
I think riley pulls the strings and makes spo dance to his wishes and we see the heat win this one. Only need one of the two up there to take over the series and the first game losing in that fashion should make wade and james mad. They can be scary when they get mad.

But I hope most for a good entertaining game.

Dash
05-16-2011, 09:44 PM
I see the Bulls Winning

BoozerYells
05-16-2011, 09:53 PM
how exactly did tom thibedeau out coach spo? he played there best players and the players took advantage where they have one. how is that spo being outcoached? he simply does not hve the personnel to matchup with the bulls. what happened yesterday on the boards had nothing to do with thibodeau


You are right, it wasn't necessarily Thibs outcoaching Spo as much as it was Spo just being a terrible coach making decisions that he did not think through.
1) Activate Jamaal Magloire who played 18 games in the regular season and averaged 8 min per, who only played in 1 game in the playoffs. That didn't backfire, right?
2) Go small with lebron at the 4 to try and use speed against the bulls defense. didn't realize that the bulls have quick lengthy defenders that can also rebound! (noah, gibson, asik) so going small just led to the small heat team being overmatched by the bulls defense, and also on the rebounds
3)Have you heard spo try to pump his team up? please
4)Thibs has his team completely bought into his system. What you saw on the court is the product of Thibs coaching. How exactly did spo manage/control his team yesterday?
5)Why wasn't spo calling plays? Bulls were executing sets, Heat was just doing the lebron/wade dribble for 20sec and pull up for a long deuce


Spo got outcoached by a better coach, and the heat got outplayed by a better team

jp611
05-16-2011, 09:53 PM
I see the Bulls Winning

No predictions here :pity:

Didnt you get the memo?

h2r09
05-16-2011, 10:04 PM
You are right, it wasn't necessarily Thibs outcoaching Spo as much as it was Spo just being a terrible coach making decisions that he did not think through.
1) Activate Jamaal Magloire who played 18 games in the regular season and averaged 8 min per, who only played in 1 game in the playoffs. That didn't backfire, right?
2) Go small with lebron at the 4 to try and use speed against the bulls defense. didn't realize that the bulls have quick lengthy defenders that can also rebound! (noah, gibson, asik) so going small just led to the small heat team being overmatched by the bulls defense, and also on the rebounds
3)Have you heard spo try to pump his team up? please
4)Thibs has his team completely bought into his system. What you saw on the court is the product of Thibs coaching. How exactly did spo manage/control his team yesterday?
5)Why wasn't spo calling plays? Bulls were executing sets, Heat was just doing the lebron/wade dribble for 20sec and pull up for a long deuce


Spo got outcoached by a better coach, and the heat got outplayed by a better team

1) magloire has plaed at times in the regular season against bigger teams, most notably when Z went out with a foot injury and he played well. SPo is in a no win situation with any of his bigs because they are all either limited or mediocre. no matter who he plays we will be at a disadvantage and magloire is technically our best rebounding big man and he is tough.

2) lebron at the 4 has been great for the heat recently, once again you are blaming the limitations in the heat roster on spo. no matter what power rotation he is going to go with he is going to look foolish to you because the heat simply dont have the personnel to match up up front.

3) yes, he is a bad coach because he cant pump his team up. IF any team needs to be pumped up in an ECF game 1 there is a problem and its not the coach.

4) The heat havent bought into spo's system? lebron and bosh are taking charges and so are many of the heats players and they are utilizing the classic heat pick and roll game like they always do. Wht do you want spo to do? go out on the court and forcibly tell lebron and wade to stop holding the ball until there are 8 seconds left on the clock and nothing has happened? Put the blame on the players, lebron and wade and even the point guards for not getting the heat into motion and into plays and instead lebron and wade went into hero ball again and tried to go against the best defensive team against isolations one on one.

yup you are totally right there, its spo's fault and not the players. and any teams system looks like people buy in when they are winning. But when derrick rose tried to go into hero ball in the 4th quarter the last time they were in miami and shook off thibodeau for a timeout and instead airballed a contested 3, did it look like he bought into the system there?

5) the heat were calling plays. Wade and lebron just cut them off, as they do most of the time, before they run to fruition. They tried to take on the bulls 1-1 and that simply doesnt work. IT seems to me you have watched like 4 heat games all year but are projecting what the Lebron and Wade were actually doing wrong somehow onto spo.

So no, he didnt get "out-coached". His entire team got outplayed. The bulls made there shots at a level they wont do again for the rest of the series, and Derrick Rose had his long range jumper going which wont happen often.

nolin
05-16-2011, 10:18 PM
For real, getting attacked for giving an opinion...:pity:

a stupid prediction deserves a stupid answer. i would think you of all people would know this.

mttwlsn16
05-16-2011, 10:19 PM
damnnn early game 2 GT, and already 9 pages...

i expect miami to come out more than ready to ball...heat by 14, tied up 1-1 headed to game 3 in south beach

cutiepie80
05-16-2011, 10:25 PM
So in a nutshell you are saying the bulls got lucky last night right. Rose can't shoot worth crap, Macgloire is a solid vet and can be trusted in the biggest game of the year, lbj and wade are the best players EVER, and bulls have no chance to win this series because they have been lucky since game one and winning 71 games out of 94 games........all luck.

D1JM
05-16-2011, 10:35 PM
1) magloire has plaed at times in the regular season against bigger teams, most notably when Z went out with a foot injury and he played well. SPo is in a no win situation with any of his bigs because they are all either limited or mediocre. no matter who he plays we will be at a disadvantage and magloire is technically our best rebounding big man and he is tough.

2) lebron at the 4 has been great for the heat recently, once again you are blaming the limitations in the heat roster on spo. no matter what power rotation he is going to go with he is going to look foolish to you because the heat simply dont have the personnel to match up up front.

3) yes, he is a bad coach because he cant pump his team up. IF any team needs to be pumped up in an ECF game 1 there is a problem and its not the coach.

4) The heat havent bought into spo's system? lebron and bosh are taking charges and so are many of the heats players and they are utilizing the classic heat pick and roll game like they always do. Wht do you want spo to do? go out on the court and forcibly tell lebron and wade to stop holding the ball until there are 8 seconds left on the clock and nothing has happened? Put the blame on the players, lebron and wade and even the point guards for not getting the heat into motion and into plays and instead lebron and wade went into hero ball again and tried to go against the best defensive team against isolations one on one.

yup you are totally right there, its spo's fault and not the players. and any teams system looks like people buy in when they are winning. But when derrick rose tried to go into hero ball in the 4th quarter the last time they were in miami and shook off thibodeau for a timeout and instead airballed a contested 3, did it look like he bought into the system there?

5) the heat were calling plays. Wade and lebron just cut them off, as they do most of the time, before they run to fruition. They tried to take on the bulls 1-1 and that simply doesnt work. IT seems to me you have watched like 4 heat games all year but are projecting what the Lebron and Wade were actually doing wrong somehow onto spo.

So no, he didnt get "out-coached". His entire team got outplayed. The bulls made there shots at a level they wont do again for the rest of the series, and Derrick Rose had his long range jumper going which wont happen often.


bulls shot only 43%. you make it seem like they shot 60% from the field. you could let rose take that jumpshot, but you are also giving him the freedom of attacking the basket.

h2r09
05-16-2011, 10:35 PM
So in a nutshell you are saying the bulls got lucky last night right. Rose can't shoot worth crap, Macgloire is a solid vet and can be trusted in the biggest game of the year, lbj and wade are the best players EVER, and bulls have no chance to win this series because they have been lucky since game one and winning 71 games out of 94 games........all luck.

ummm, what?

Rose is not as good of a shooter as he showed last night, that is fairly well known. the heat defended him very well he just made his outside shots.

Magloire is not solid, but he has been solid when called upon this year and they needed the type of game he polays last night which is big and physical.

LBJ and Wade are the 2 best players in the league, yes.

When did i say 1 thing about the bullls being lucky or having no chance to win the series?

h2r09
05-16-2011, 10:38 PM
bulls shot only 43%. you make it seem like they shot 60% from the field. you could leave rose the option of getting that jumpshot, but you are also giving him the freedom of attacking the basket.

which im saying is what the heat should do every time. the way the played him last night is perfect. if he is going to beat us with his jumper, so be it. He wont shoot like that every night.

the bulls shot just about 50% from 3 including several prayers and luol deng shooting way above his average.

anybody who watched that game last night will tell you that the bulls played just about as well as the could in that 2nd half, hell michael wilbon said exactly that today.

DaBear
05-16-2011, 10:42 PM
ummm, what?

Rose is not as good of a shooter as he showed last night, that is fairly well known. the heat defended him very well he just made his outside shots.

Magloire is not solid, but he has been solid when called upon this year and they needed the type of game he polays last night which is big and physical.

LBJ and Wade are the 2 best players in the league, yes.

When did i say 1 thing about the bullls being lucky or having no chance to win the series?

Rose shot .454 last night. His season average was .445. Keep using luck as an excuse for your team getting blown out the water.

D1JM
05-16-2011, 10:47 PM
which im saying is what the heat should do every time. the way the played him last night is perfect. if he is going to beat us with his jumper, so be it. He wont shoot like that every night.

the bulls shot just about 50% from 3 including several prayers and luol deng shooting way above his average.

anybody who watched that game last night will tell you that the bulls played just about as well as the could in that 2nd half, hell michael wilbon said exactly that today.

if you leave them that open, they are most likely going to shoot above avg. i dont even think that the hawks or the pacers left players that wide open

TheRunKiller
05-16-2011, 10:48 PM
Rose shot .454 last night. His season average was .445. Keep using luck as an excuse for your team getting blown out the water.

I think they use the word luck to make themselves feel better :shrug:

Avenged
05-16-2011, 10:55 PM
I said Heat would win game 1 but they didn't..

I'm going Bulls in game 2. Their dominance in game 1 defensively was just incredible. I don't see that changing while they're at home.

BoozerYells
05-16-2011, 10:56 PM
1) magloire has plaed at times in the regular season against bigger teams, most notably when Z went out with a foot injury and he played well. SPo is in a no win situation with any of his bigs because they are all either limited or mediocre. no matter who he plays we will be at a disadvantage and magloire is technically our best rebounding big man and he is tough.

2) lebron at the 4 has been great for the heat recently, once again you are blaming the limitations in the heat roster on spo. no matter what power rotation he is going to go with he is going to look foolish to you because the heat simply dont have the personnel to match up up front.

3) yes, he is a bad coach because he cant pump his team up. IF any team needs to be pumped up in an ECF game 1 there is a problem and its not the coach.

4) The heat havent bought into spo's system? lebron and bosh are taking charges and so are many of the heats players and they are utilizing the classic heat pick and roll game like they always do. Wht do you want spo to do? go out on the court and forcibly tell lebron and wade to stop holding the ball until there are 8 seconds left on the clock and nothing has happened? Put the blame on the players, lebron and wade and even the point guards for not getting the heat into motion and into plays and instead lebron and wade went into hero ball again and tried to go against the best defensive team against isolations one on one.

yup you are totally right there, its spo's fault and not the players. and any teams system looks like people buy in when they are winning. But when derrick rose tried to go into hero ball in the 4th quarter the last time they were in miami and shook off thibodeau for a timeout and instead airballed a contested 3, did it look like he bought into the system there?

5) the heat were calling plays. Wade and lebron just cut them off, as they do most of the time, before they run to fruition. They tried to take on the bulls 1-1 and that simply doesnt work. IT seems to me you have watched like 4 heat games all year but are projecting what the Lebron and Wade were actually doing wrong somehow onto spo.

So no, he didnt get "out-coached". His entire team got outplayed. The bulls made there shots at a level they wont do again for the rest of the series, and Derrick Rose had his long range jumper going which wont happen often.

1. Is magloire that much of a better rebounder than Z or damp to warrant playing him when he saw such limited time during the regular season? why didn't he play more during the season then?

2. Lebron at the 4 works against other teams but not the bulls. why would spo try it against the team with the best front court d in the nba?

3. Its obvious the heat players do not believe in spo. and that falls on both the players (lebron being a kid who thinks he is already the best ever) AND the coach himself. The attitude of the bulls team as a whole is way different than that of the heat, and that lies with the leaders and coaches of the teams. Im not saying that spo has a deep team full of bigs, but he is failing to even make adjustments when it is so obvious his gameplan isnt working

4&5. If spo really wants the isos to stop and really believes in TEAM basketball, and lebron and wade wont listen, then take them out of the game. He should show them that no man is bigger than the team. Thibs has never hestiated to pull a starter (boozer) out of a game if he is failing on defense or not producing (boozer/noah in game 5 vs hawks in 4th q). Every player on the bulls, starters and bench included, play with confidence because everyone on the team knows that they need everyone to contribute or else it wont work. Any time you hear lebron or wade talking about late game failures it is always "we have lebron and wade on the floor, we should close out games" and they talk about themselves without ever mentioning anyone else on the team. how are other players on the team supposed to feel like they can contribute at the end of the game when they know they will never touch the ball? Rose has made the right plays before in big situations (drive and kick to korver in game 1 vs ind., drive and kick out to deng in 2nd game vs heat in reg. season are just two examples). Spo gets outcoached in almost every game he coaches because he does not have control of his team. in the playoffs against teams with talent, cohesiveness, and a better coach, they will almost certainly lose.

as for rose shaking off a call from thibs, thibs and rose have an understanding with eachother and trust eachother and if rose feels like he sees something in the defense, thibs trusts him. the only difference is he doesnt do it ALL THE ****ING TIME in crucial situations like lebron does with isoball

Heat got outcoached AND outplayed. why cant it be both?

nolin
05-16-2011, 11:03 PM
I said Heat would win game 1 but they didn't..

I'm going Bulls in game 2. Their dominance in game 1 defensively was just incredible. I don't see that changing while they're at home.

i see what your doing . trying that jinx thing. why go with the bulls 2 win if your really going for miami?

still1ballin
05-16-2011, 11:11 PM
Go Bulls

metsbulls1025
05-16-2011, 11:16 PM
A big factor no one is talking about is Miami not being able to drive and kick to the outside for a three pointer. The reason is because we have bigs that can keep up once Wade and Lebron get to the painted area and that allows our guards to stay on the shooters. I think unless the Bulls completely break down defensively Miami will struggle all series.

RIPSweetness34
05-16-2011, 11:21 PM
What exactly did I say that epitomizes my hatred?

Is it because I don't agree that Rose is a top 5 player in the league? Is it because I find it quite humorous that it only appears to be Bulls fans that think this is the case?

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=Derrickrose-110516

Do a little reading, u might get smarter

allSUAVE
05-16-2011, 11:30 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=Derrickrose-110516

Do a little reading, u might get smarter

Advance STATS dont even have him as a top 8 player.

do you agree w/ advanced stats?

3RDASYSTEM
05-16-2011, 11:30 PM
Bulls should hold on for game 2, but its funny how people on here are saying how simple/basic HEAT plays are but right after that Celtic series it was how Chitown was not going to have enough scoring and that the Heat just got thru playing the same defense cuz of Thibs connection but what they failed to realize is that Boston starting 5age minus Rondo was like 34-36yrs old and add on Rondo was playing with 1arm and the Bulls starting 5 is like 24-27yrs old or youinger..now i aint no math genuis but thats alot of basketball yrs seperation, and im pretty sure we all seen the diff. between the wide open lanes Wade/Lebron had the previous series and the clogged up lanes the Bulls provided with the crazy shot blocking and help/swarming team D in just 1 game,Thibs got more tools to work with than Spoelstra,similar to how Carlisle had more than Phil

allSUAVE
05-16-2011, 11:50 PM
Personally i like rose better than wade 1000x

mikealike305
05-16-2011, 11:54 PM
Heat take this one

shrek
05-17-2011, 12:08 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/05/16/bulls.heat.ratings/index.html?sct=nba_t2_a3

BcEuAbRsS
05-17-2011, 12:08 AM
Big three averaged:
66.2 ppg against Philly
71 ppg against Boston

Game 1 vs the Bulls they had 63 ppg...

Big Three can score all they want... They simply dont have enough help to score against the constant waves of a Bulls defense in a 7 game series...

12evolution 9
05-17-2011, 12:10 AM
Heat win game 2 and take home court.

that's what im talking bout.... we coming out with more intensity this time... we know the Bulls are going to come strapped too ... gonna be a good game ...

BcEuAbRsS
05-17-2011, 12:11 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/05/16/bulls.heat.ratings/index.html?sct=nba_t2_a3

So everyone seen the Heat crap the bed in game one I see...

12evolution 9
05-17-2011, 12:12 AM
if you leave them that open, they are most likely going to shoot above avg. i dont even think that the hawks or the pacers left players that wide open

no they didnt..... which was why i was soo pist off with the HEAT's focus and intensity that second half of game 1.

12evolution 9
05-17-2011, 12:14 AM
So everyone seen the Heat crap the bed in game one I see...

11 million will see us loose.... 15 million will watch us win :D.. Go heat

12evolution 9
05-17-2011, 12:17 AM
You are right, it wasn't necessarily Thibs outcoaching Spo as much as it was Spo just being a terrible coach making decisions that he did not think through.
1) Activate Jamaal Magloire who played 18 games in the regular season and averaged 8 min per, who only played in 1 game in the playoffs. That didn't backfire, right?
2) Go small with lebron at the 4 to try and use speed against the bulls defense. didn't realize that the bulls have quick lengthy defenders that can also rebound! (noah, gibson, asik) so going small just led to the small heat team being overmatched by the bulls defense, and also on the rebounds
3)Have you heard spo try to pump his team up? please
4)Thibs has his team completely bought into his system. What you saw on the court is the product of Thibs coaching. How exactly did spo manage/control his team yesterday?
5)Why wasn't spo calling plays? Bulls were executing sets, Heat was just doing the lebron/wade dribble for 20sec and pull up for a long deuce


Spo got outcoached by a better coach, and the heat got outplayed by a better team

I know its aweful lol .... but Larry Brown sucked at it too. What Spo does is just Coach, not really the motivating speaker atleast most of the time, but at times he can be...

kjoke
05-17-2011, 12:18 AM
What this game is at 8:30 CT?

12evolution 9
05-17-2011, 12:19 AM
I forgot about the Hyphy movement...Everyone's doing the dougie and the cat daddy now
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm:

whack sauce

12evolution 9
05-17-2011, 12:20 AM
:p
What this game is at 8:30 CT?

that crap betz start at 7:00

redwhitenblue
05-17-2011, 12:25 AM
Clearly the Bulls are ****, Heat in 5.

allSUAVE
05-17-2011, 12:26 AM
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm:

whack sauce

Somebody don't know how to dougie lol

BcEuAbRsS
05-17-2011, 12:32 AM
Clearly the Bulls are ****, Heat in 5.

I thought that was pretty obvious...

Avenged
05-17-2011, 12:42 AM
i see what your doing . trying that jinx thing. why go with the bulls 2 win if your really going for miami?

Jinx? It's not like I'm a Heat fan, not at all. If they lose, I'll be happy. If they win, I can careless. I just think they will win the series but after game 1, I'm not too sure anymore. :laugh2:

And besides this isn't a "who am I going for prediction", it's a "who do I think is going to win".

davids22
05-17-2011, 01:23 AM
There's way more Bulls fans in here talkin smack then Heat fans, so I don't know where all the hate is coming from. The Bulls fans are sounding like the arrogant Heat fans who bragged all day after the big 3 was formed in the summer. It's a 7-game series. Act like it.

Sergio1984
05-17-2011, 01:35 AM
There's way more Bulls fans in here talkin smack then Heat fans, so I don't know where all the hate is coming from. The Bulls fans are sounding like the arrogant Heat fans who bragged all day after the big 3 was formed in the summer. It's a 7-game series. Act like it.

Oh boy, you just wait until they get their first win.

DeyAce
05-17-2011, 01:51 AM
Bulls win 100-88

SouthSideSox
05-17-2011, 02:30 AM
Bogans drops 40 on Wade and the Bulls kill them by 20+ again..........

Iron24th
05-17-2011, 02:42 AM
If the Bulls take this game,pressure will be all over the Heat the next two games at Miami,this game is more important for both teams than people think.

h2r09
05-17-2011, 06:59 AM
1. Is magloire that much of a better rebounder than Z or damp to warrant playing him when he saw such limited time during the regular season? why didn't he play more during the season then?

2. Lebron at the 4 works against other teams but not the bulls. why would spo try it against the team with the best front court d in the nba?

3. Its obvious the heat players do not believe in spo. and that falls on both the players (lebron being a kid who thinks he is already the best ever) AND the coach himself. The attitude of the bulls team as a whole is way different than that of the heat, and that lies with the leaders and coaches of the teams. Im not saying that spo has a deep team full of bigs, but he is failing to even make adjustments when it is so obvious his gameplan isnt working

4&5. If spo really wants the isos to stop and really believes in TEAM basketball, and lebron and wade wont listen, then take them out of the game. He should show them that no man is bigger than the team. Thibs has never hestiated to pull a starter (boozer) out of a game if he is failing on defense or not producing (boozer/noah in game 5 vs hawks in 4th q). Every player on the bulls, starters and bench included, play with confidence because everyone on the team knows that they need everyone to contribute or else it wont work. Any time you hear lebron or wade talking about late game failures it is always "we have lebron and wade on the floor, we should close out games" and they talk about themselves without ever mentioning anyone else on the team. how are other players on the team supposed to feel like they can contribute at the end of the game when they know they will never touch the ball? Rose has made the right plays before in big situations (drive and kick to korver in game 1 vs ind., drive and kick out to deng in 2nd game vs heat in reg. season are just two examples). Spo gets outcoached in almost every game he coaches because he does not have control of his team. in the playoffs against teams with talent, cohesiveness, and a better coach, they will almost certainly lose.

as for rose shaking off a call from thibs, thibs and rose have an understanding with eachother and trust eachother and if rose feels like he sees something in the defense, thibs trusts him. the only difference is he doesnt do it ALL THE ****ING TIME in crucial situations like lebron does with isoball

Heat got outcoached AND outplayed. why cant it be both?

1) because the heat rarely needed rebounding considering they were the 4th best team in the league in that category. Big Z is done and know one knows why dampier has just disappeared.
2) Because lebron is a phenomenal rebounder and a great defender and nothing else worked. The heat have been through every possible combination vs the bulls this year and not one of themn worked. WE should go back to big z for his rebounding (which if you watched him t all you know he is not a good rebounder) after we benched him for awful play 2 games ago?
3)How is that obvious?

4/5) Yup, you are right, game 1 of the eastern conference finals is the time to make a message. he should have put in eddie house and juwan howard. That would have really showed them. LEbron and wade have earned the right to be trusted in those situations. They thought they could attack one on one and create. The playoffs are all about adjustments and the heat will make them. They say that because the ball almost always will and should be in their hands and they have earned the right to be trusted to make decisions. Lebron hasnt made the right play in big situati9ons before?

daleja424
05-17-2011, 09:14 AM
It would not be a stretch, IMO, to say that this game is the pivotal game in the series. Either Miami wins tonights and grabs the homecourt and all of the momentum... OR Chicago wins tonight and puts Miami up against the 2-0 wall.

I think the HEAT will respond well to getting their butts kicked, but Im not sure it is enough to get them a win. IMO Erik Dampier is by far the best big on HEATs bench, and while Spo continues to bench him the HEAT are at an even bigger disadvantage.

Time for Erik to let go of his stupid pride and put Bibby on the bench. HEAT need to pull out all the stops if they want to stand a chance in this game.

That being said, Chicago cannot play as good of a game as they did again. I really doubt that they will once again grab 20 offensive rebounds, shoot 50% from 3, have Derrick Rose over 50% from the perimeter, have Deng outplay Lebron, and have Wade missing uncontested layups... but if they can do that again... the HEAT are screwed.

daleja424
05-17-2011, 09:17 AM
one more thing...

The Bulls shot 37% on initial shot attempts last game, so the HEATs initial defense was fantastic... but when you give up 30+ second chance points, you dont stand a chance. If the HEAT make the appropriate adjustments and sacrifices...they have a chance.

SteBO
05-17-2011, 09:18 AM
I say the Heat bounce back and take this one, by single digits, and even this thing 1-1. I'm more confident about this game this time around, since we did in fact gets butts handed to us last game. Hopefully it's a wake up call and we play like I know we can play. To do so, the Heat must...

1) Keep the rebounding differential in a 6-10 range, since it's clear we'll never outrebound this team

2) Continue the initial defense we played last game, but this time, finish the play off and grab the defensive board, limiting their sceond shot opportunities,

3) And for Christ's sake LeBron and Wade, don't play into their hands again, and go "ISO-BALL". Move it from side to side, and cut towards the basket for better looks. Don't settle for jumpers, just attack the basket and be agressive and get to the FT line. We averaged 28.8 in the regular season and playoffs, and only to the line 15 times Game 1. BE AGGRESSIVE!!!

Mr.ATLHawks
05-17-2011, 09:20 AM
2nd chance points will be the end of Miami this season.

And for Christ sakes, will lebron ever stop with this ridiculous isolation play, time after time, It's the same crap over and over and good defenses aren't going to give him those lanes.

The guy simply is not willing to change his game. And each time he's eliminated it's obvious once his isolation isn't working he is useless.


I threw my remote at the TV in the third quarter when he was doing that ****. He played right into the Bulls' hands. Wade was no different either.

Hey it could be worse your team could have been shooting over 50% with a one point lead in Game 5 going into the 4th Quarter and Joe Johnson started doing this....Alot of "superstars" do this. Durant, Melo, Westbrook, Kobe, Bron, Wade, Randolph, JJ. Rose does this as well but he has learned when to make the dish and when not to pretty well. Plus his lightning speed gives him a slight advantage. IMO only people that should get iso plays are big menon the block, but thats just me..

redwhitenblue
05-17-2011, 09:33 AM
It would not be a stretch, IMO, to say that this game is the pivotal game in the series. Either Miami wins tonights and grabs the homecourt and all of the momentum... OR Chicago wins tonight and puts Miami up against the 2-0 wall.

I think the HEAT will respond well to getting their butts kicked, but Im not sure it is enough to get them a win. IMO Erik Dampier is by far the best big on HEATs bench, and while Spo continues to bench him the HEAT are at an even bigger disadvantage.

Time for Erik to let go of his stupid pride and put Bibby on the bench. HEAT need to pull out all the stops if they want to stand a chance in this game.

That being said, Chicago cannot play as good of a game as they did again. I really doubt that they will once again grab 20 offensive rebounds, shoot 50% from 3, have Derrick Rose over 50% from the perimeter, have Deng outplay Lebron, and have Wade missing uncontested layups... but if they can do that again... the HEAT are screwed.
Even if Miami wins game 2, I don't see how they grab all the momentum at 1-1.

And I'm tired of the "the Bulls can't play any better" crap. They shot 43% overall, and while their rebounding was great, Miami still shot a good percentage. Before we get the "Miami's a great defensive team," well the Bulls are a great rebounding team but you're denying their chance to have a similar differential. And the Bulls shot 46% against Miami in two of their 3 matchups this year, so they could definitely shoot better. The Bulls absolutely can pull down a ton of offensive rebounds again-it's not as if they're facing a great rebounding team or one that's been able to slow their rebounding advantage at all.

Btw, I don't recall that uncontested layup Wade missed.

I'm not sitting here calling Bulls in 4 or 5. I'm not even pushing away the idea that Miami grabs game 2 in Chicago, but I'm a little tired of the Bulls being completely disrespected as if they cannot play well enough to continue to beat Miami.

SteBO
05-17-2011, 09:40 AM
Even if Miami wins game 2, I don't see how they grab all the momentum at 1-1.

And I'm tired of the "the Bulls can't play any better" crap. They shot 43% overall, and while their rebounding was great, Miami still shot a good percentage. Before we get the "Miami's a great defensive team," well the Bulls are a great rebounding team but you're denying their chance to have a similar differential. And the Bulls shot 46% against Miami in two of their 3 matchups this year, so they could definitely shoot better. The Bulls absolutely can pull down a ton of offensive rebounds again-it's not as if they're facing a great rebounding team or one that's been able to slow their rebounding advantage at all.

Btw, I don't recall that uncontested layup Wade missed.

I'm not sitting here calling Bulls in 4 or 5. I'm not even pushing away the idea that Miami grabs game 2 in Chicago, but I'm a little tired of the Bulls being completely disrespected as if they cannot play well enough to continue to beat Miami.

The missed layups he's referring to was in the first quarter.

Listen, you can at least say the Bulls gave the Heat their "A" game? The Bulls played a defense I haven't seen in years now. I won't say they played their "A+" game, because there were some things they could've done better. But overall, If I'm the Bulls' coach, I wouldn't have much to complain about in that game. :shrug: But knowing Thibs, I'm sure he found a couple things.

theheatles
05-17-2011, 09:44 AM
Bogans drops 40 on Wade and the Bulls kill them by 20+ again..........

your not supposed to drink the bong water...

daleja424
05-17-2011, 10:11 AM
Even if Miami wins game 2, I don't see how they grab all the momentum at 1-1.

And I'm tired of the "the Bulls can't play any better" crap. They shot 43% overall, and while their rebounding was great, Miami still shot a good percentage. Before we get the "Miami's a great defensive team," well the Bulls are a great rebounding team but you're denying their chance to have a similar differential. And the Bulls shot 46% against Miami in two of their 3 matchups this year, so they could definitely shoot better. The Bulls absolutely can pull down a ton of offensive rebounds again-it's not as if they're facing a great rebounding team or one that's been able to slow their rebounding advantage at all.

Btw, I don't recall that uncontested layup Wade missed.

I'm not sitting here calling Bulls in 4 or 5. I'm not even pushing away the idea that Miami grabs game 2 in Chicago, but I'm a little tired of the Bulls being completely disrespected as if they cannot play well enough to continue to beat Miami.

Bulls shot 43%, but they scored 38 field goals. They have averaged 35 FGMs per game in the playoffs. Offensively they could not have played any better...please don't kid yourself. They could have made some more of their initial shots but they got the rebounds and scorer FGs anyways, so the effect is the same.

If you don't recall Wade missing TWO WIDE OPEN layups and then throwing away a pass that would have been a third wide open layup for Lebron, then you need to rewatch the game.

I am not disrespecting the Bulls. They kicked Miami's butt. But it is by no means a reach to say that Miami could play a lot better and the Bulls played their A game.

ChitownSports16
05-17-2011, 10:33 AM
Bulls shot 43%, but they scored 38 field goals. They have averaged 35 FGMs per game in the playoffs. Offensively they could not have played any better...please don't kid yourself. They could have made some more of their initial shots but they got the rebounds and scorer FGs anyways, so the effect is the same.

If you don't recall Wade missing TWO WIDE OPEN layups and then throwing away a pass that would have been a third wide open layup for Lebron, then you need to rewatch the game.

I am not disrespecting the Bulls. They kicked Miami's butt. But it is by no means a reach to say that Miami could play a lot better and the Bulls played their A game.

All I can do is sit here and laugh....

Dstmccoy
05-17-2011, 10:36 AM
My favorite statline is wade vs Bogans lol
Exactly, Why is Bogans even a starter?

SteBO
05-17-2011, 10:39 AM
All I can do is sit here and laugh....

Care to explain? Did he not just give the Bulls all the credit in the world with his post?

You can't possibly tell me Miami can't adjust to them and play better. How often do really think the Heat is going to lose the LeBron-Deng matchup?

How often do you think Wade and LeBron are going to be inefficient in the same game?

How often do you think the Heat are going to only shoot 15 FT's in a game, when they've averaged 29 per game all year, over an 92 game sample size including the playoffs?

Is Bosh going to 30 every game, no. But Miami played great initial defense, but gave up 31 second chance points, while the Bulls hit some shots that just made me go :facepalm: (Why me?)

The Bulls kicked our butts, but Miami could play a lot better, and it isn't even debatable. You should give reasons to why you disagree with daleja, and we can go from there.

ChicagoJ
05-17-2011, 10:42 AM
Look for Miami to try and take advantage of how the Bulls big men may move away from the basket to double team. The heat can try and box the Bulls out and limit the offense boards more.

mikealike305
05-17-2011, 10:47 AM
All I can do is sit here and laugh....

... at myself because i have no logical argument to give u



is how that sentence would of gone if u finished it

ManRam
05-17-2011, 10:49 AM
All I can do is sit here and laugh....

Great retort. Can't argue with this logic?

What did he say that was hilarious? :confused:

jp611
05-17-2011, 10:49 AM
Exactly, Why is Bogans even a starter?

Because hes a good defender, he spread the floor cuz he can hit the 3 ball, he know his role, and it allows us to bring Brewer and Korver off the bench

jp611
05-17-2011, 10:50 AM
Yeah, I found nothing funny about Dale's post, I thought it was a logical argument

Heater4life
05-17-2011, 10:51 AM
All I can do is sit here and laugh....

I just dont see whats so funny. The Bulls had 19 offensive rebounds, out rebounded the Heat by the same amount, had 30+ second chance points, shot 50% from beyond the arc, had their turnovers in single digits (8 i believe), shot more free throws than Miami, forced the Heat into 16 turnovers, limited the Heat to 30 something% from beyond the arc, and held Lebron and Wade under 20 points each.

If your expecting a better performance out of your team your delusional.

JordansBulls
05-17-2011, 10:58 AM
Just maintain HCA. If we get this game, I'd feel more comfortable that we win in 7.

Pierzynski4Prez
05-17-2011, 10:59 AM
Bulls shot 43%, but they scored 38 field goals. They have averaged 35 FGMs per game in the playoffs. Offensively they could not have played any better...please don't kid yourself. They could have made some more of their initial shots but they got the rebounds and scorer FGs anyways, so the effect is the same.

If you don't recall Wade missing TWO WIDE OPEN layups and then throwing away a pass that would have been a third wide open layup for Lebron, then you need to rewatch the game.

I am not disrespecting the Bulls. They kicked Miami's butt. But it is by no means a reach to say that Miami could play a lot better and the Bulls played their A game.

1st bold. You better hope that is the Bulls best, because 43% is what it is.

2nd bold. Even if you are correct, and they don't blow those plays,you still lose by 15. So what point are you trying to make? That the heat are incapable of making mistakes?

Pierzynski4Prez
05-17-2011, 11:00 AM
I just dont see whats so funny. The Bulls had 19 offensive rebounds, out rebounded the Heat by the same amount, had 30+ second chance points, shot 50% from beyond the arc, had their turnovers in single digits (8 i believe), shot more free throws than Miami, forced the Heat into 16 turnovers, limited the Heat to 30 something% from beyond the arc, and held Lebron and Wade under 20 points each.

If your expecting a better performance out of your team your delusional.

If you think the bulls will just instantly perform like crap now or not nearly on the same level from here on out because of how they played game 1, you are delusional.

jp611
05-17-2011, 11:07 AM
Just maintain HCA. If we get this game, I'd feel more comfortable that we win in 7.

Hell, if we win this game I'd be more confident that we win in 5

SteBO
05-17-2011, 11:10 AM
1st bold. You better hope that is the Bulls best, because 43% is what it is.

2nd bold. Even if you are correct, and they don't blow those plays,you still lose by 15. So what point are you trying to make? That the heat are incapable of making mistakes?

1) No, Miami doesn't need to hope that the Bulls' best, because you and I both know Miami can turn it up a notch. Miami defended the Bulls initial offense well, but gave up too many second chance points. 31-8, a 22 point difference. We lost by 21. We limit those, the game is still within reach. The only thing you managed to prove is how well the Heat defended the Bulls in game 1. :eyebrow: Unfortunately for us, they killed us in second chance points

2) When did he say the Heat are incapable of making mistakes? You and I both know Miami could play way better than they did in Game 1. The missed layups by Wade just shows how out of it he really was to even start the game. As the game wore on, it didn't get any better for him, since he had cover Rose all 3rd quarter when Rose was playing. Wade may have to deal with this all series long.


If you think the bulls will just instantly perform like crap now or not nearly on the same level from here on out because of how they played game 1, you are delusional.
Again, did he even come close to implying that? I don't think so. If you think Miami will play crap and not give a damn about boxing out and giving effort, then you are delusional. See, I can play that too. :D

Pierzynski4Prez
05-17-2011, 11:18 AM
1) No, Miami doesn't need to hope that the Bulls' best, because you and I both know Miami can turn it up a notch. Miami defended the Bulls initial offense well, but gave up too many second chance points. 31-8, a 22 point difference. We lost by 21. We limit those, the game is still within reach. The only thing you managed to prove is how well the Heat defended the Bulls in game 1. :eyebrow: Unfortunately for us, they killed us in second chance points

2) When did he say the Heat are incapable of making mistakes? You and I both know Miami could play way better than they did in Game 1. The missed layups by Wade just shows how out of it he really was to even start the game. As the game wore on, it didn't get any better for him, since he had cover Rose all 3rd quarter when Rose was playing. Wade may have to deal with this all series long.


Again, did he even come close to implying that? I don't think so. If you think Miami will play crap and not give a damn about boxing out and giving effort, then you are delusional. See, I can play that too. :D

I know there was a huge rebounding differential on the offensive side. And the Heat know they have to fix that. The question is, can they? It's a lot harder than just saying "we have to fix that." Personally, I don't feel they have the personnel to get even close at this point. Not with Z not even suiting up, and Haslem only playing garbage time. If Spo uses the same lineups tomorrow, the heat will struggle exactly how they did game 1. If he doesn't use the same lineup and goes more big, the offense will suffer.

And mistakes (turnovers) are part of the game. Both teams make them, to use them as an excuse though is just poor in my opinion.

The 2nd part, I've seen many posts saying the bulls will not play as good as they did game 1. That is the best they can play. Who knows? They can certainly shoot better, they could certainly not stumble out of the gate like they did sunday. There are plenty of areas they could improve on from game 1, and this type of team is looking to do exactly that.

Heater4life
05-17-2011, 11:18 AM
If you think the bulls will just instantly perform like crap now or not nearly on the same level from here on out because of how they played game 1, you are delusional.

Its not a matter of craping out, its a matter of dominating every statistical category. They had a complete game, and if youve ever watched basketball that doesnt happen every night even from the best teams.

As far as FG%, its all relative to the amount of extra shots you took. (example. We limit Chicago to 9 off boards, 10 less shots, and you shoot 50% you still make 38 shots)

Point is simple, you cant expect it to go all your way next game. if thats the case in every game from here on out. Bulls in 4. Highly doubt it though.

SteBO
05-17-2011, 11:27 AM
I know there was a huge rebounding differential on the offensive side. And the Heat know they have to fix that. The question is, can they? It's a lot harder than just saying "we have to fix that." Personally, I don't feel they have the personnel to get even close at this point. Not with Z not even suiting up, and Haslem only playing garbage time. If Spo uses the same lineups tomorrow, the heat will struggle exactly how they did game 1. If he doesn't use the same lineup and goes more big, the offense will suffer.

The 2nd part, I've seen many posts saying the bulls will not play as good as they did game 1. That is the best they can play. Who knows? They can certainly shoot better, they could certainly not stumble out of the gate like they did sunday. There are plenty of areas they could improve on from game 1, and this type of team is looking to do exactly that.
I'm willing to sacrifice some offense if it means at least keeping it somewhat close in rebounding department, and limiting the second chance points. You're right, we don't have the personell to really get rid of the problem, but we can at least have James, and Wade rebound a little more, and Bosh has to rebound alot more than he did in Game 1, and he got 9 rebounds total, but most of them on the defensive glass, not the offensive, which was the main issue.

Secondly, yeah there were people that said the Bulls played their best game, which isn't completely true, but it was as good as it gets. The defense was great, and rebounding was awsome. The thing is, I don't think they played their A+ game. Two things I thought the Bulls could've done better was Rose attacking more, credit going to the Heat defense, but Rose has the speed to get by guys. And secondly, I thought they settled offensively overall as a team, but they were hitting their three's, so I can't really blame them. If I'm Thibs, overall, I wouldn't have much to complain about.

k.smith904
05-17-2011, 11:31 AM
the heat are so good, they are gonna get some of that juice from Space Jam so they can start grabbing rebounds.

Pierzynski4Prez
05-17-2011, 11:34 AM
Its not a matter of craping out, its a matter of dominating every statistical category. They had a complete game, and if youve ever watched basketball that doesnt happen every night even from the best teams.

As far as FG%, its all relative to the amount of extra shots you took. (example. We limit Chicago to 9 off boards, 10 less shots, and you shoot 50% you still make 38 shots)

Point is simple, you cant expect it to go all your way next game. if thats the case in every game from here on out. Bulls in 4. Highly doubt it though.

43% is from EVERY bulls shot. Even the 2nd chances. Meaning they shot probably even lower on their initial shot attempts. Probably somewhere in the 30s percent wise, which to me says they could shoot much, much better still.

Pierzynski4Prez
05-17-2011, 11:35 AM
I'm willing to sacrifice some offense if it means at least keeping it somewhat close in rebounding department, and limiting the second chance points. You're right, we don't have the personell to really get rid of the problem, but we can at least have James, and Wade rebound a little more, and Bosh has to rebound alot more than he did in Game 1, and he got 9 rebounds total, but most of them on the defensive glass, not the offensive, which was the main issue.

Secondly, yeah there were people that said the Bulls played their best game, which isn't completely true, but it was as good as it gets. The defense was great, and rebounding was awsome. The thing is, I don't think they played their A+ game. Two things I thought the Bulls could've done better was Rose attacking more, credit going to the Heat defense, but Rose has the speed to get by guys. And secondly, I thought they settled offensively overall as a team, but they were hitting their three's, so I can't really blame them. If I'm Thibs, overall, I wouldn't have much to complain about.

We'll see if Spo does the same. Will be very interesting.

northsider
05-17-2011, 11:36 AM
Its not a matter of craping out, its a matter of dominating every statistical category. They had a complete game, and if youve ever watched basketball that doesnt happen every night even from the best teams.

As far as FG%, its all relative to the amount of extra shots you took. (example. We limit Chicago to 9 off boards, 10 less shots, and you shoot 50% you still make 38 shots)

Point is simple, you cant expect it to go all your way next game. if thats the case in every game from here on out. Bulls in 4. Highly doubt it though.

Well considering we just maintained the first half and didn't start actually putting you guys away until the second half it is safe to say if we were to play like that in both halves it would have been worse.

I totally get your argument and it is very valid but, it is also just an opinion to say a team can't repeat a dominating performance in one half of basketball. We weren't exactly a beast in the first half of that game.

I don't think game 2 will be like the first one but, I really hate the double standard of taking what we did great and down playing it cause supposedly we couldn't do it again. I understand if is a way to make yourself feel better about a **** loss but, it also is a terrible showing of discrediting a team you are afraid to admit came in a little stronger then you expected.

Gibby23
05-17-2011, 11:42 AM
I'm willing to sacrifice some offense if it means at least keeping it somewhat close in rebounding department, and limiting the second chance points. You're right, we don't have the personell to really get rid of the problem, but we can at least have James, and Wade rebound a little more, and Bosh has to rebound alot more than he did in Game 1, and he got 9 rebounds total, but most of them on the defensive glass, not the offensive, which was the main issue.

Secondly, yeah there were people that said the Bulls played their best game, which isn't completely true, but it was as good as it gets. The defense was great, and rebounding was awsome. The thing is, I don't think they played their A+ game. Two things I thought the Bulls could've done better was Rose attacking more, credit going to the Heat defense, but Rose has the speed to get by guys. And secondly, I thought they settled offensively overall as a team, but they were hitting their three's, so I can't really blame them. If I'm Thibs, overall, I wouldn't have much to complain about.


The Heat defense get credit for Rose not attacking more, but the Bulls defense doesn't get credit for Lebron and Wade not attacking? The Bulls are the better defensive team and a way better rebounding team. These teams have played 4 times and the Heat have been outrebounded every game and by 10 plus in 3 of the 4 games. The Bulls have also hit the offensive glass every game against the Heat and had 10 plus offensive rebounds in all 4 games. Alot of heat fans are saying the Heat will rebound better and keep the margin under 10, but if you look at the stats, the chances of that are not good.

SteBO
05-17-2011, 11:47 AM
The Heat defense get credit for Rose not attacking more, but the Bulls defense doesn't get credit for Lebron and Wade not attacking? The Bulls are the better defensive team and a way better rebounding team. These teams have played 4 times and the Heat have been outrebounded every game and by 10 plus in 3 of the 4 games. The Bulls have also hit the offensive glass every game against the Heat and had 10 plus offensive rebounds in all 4 games. Alot of heat fans are saying the Heat will rebound better and keep the margin under 10, but if you look at the stats, the chances of that are not good.

OK, sorry, the Bulls get some credit for LeBron and Wade not attacking.

Even if the chances aren't that good, at least there is a chance. Miami can still win if they make a better effort rebounding and boxing out. It's that simple. Rebounding isn't just a size and athleticism thing, it's also an effort thing, and you have to realize that.

Gibby23
05-17-2011, 12:07 PM
OK, sorry, the Bulls get some credit for LeBron and Wade not attacking.

Even if the chances aren't that good, at least there is a chance. Miami can still win if they make a better effort rebounding and boxing out. It's that simple. Rebounding isn't just a size and athleticism thing, it's also an effort thing, and you have to realize that.

There is a better chance of the Bulls getting 10 plus more rebounds than the Heat again than there is of Miami keeping it in single digits

ManRam
05-17-2011, 12:07 PM
We're gonna learn a lot about Spo as a coach here. There are a lot of things that need to change...and some of them are tangible things that can be changed immediately (minutes, focusing on rebounding, etc.). He needs to make the obvious adjustments here...but if there is one coach that I doubt will/can do it, it's him.

SteBO
05-17-2011, 12:11 PM
There is a better chance of the Bulls getting 10 plus more rebounds than the Heat again than there is of Miami keeping it in single digits
That's a possibilty, but Miami keeping it close is possible as well, so I guess we'll see. They have to try. There isn't any other choice.

redwhitenblue
05-17-2011, 12:20 PM
So concensus is the Bulls can't possibly play better and the Heat will inevitably get better.


And does anyone think the Bulls sacrificed the 30 pts to Bosh on layups and dunks in order to keep Wade and Lebron from being able to attack as much?

Thibs said he was disappointed at the D on Bosh, but I think it was planned that way all along, slow Wade and James down and you slow that entire Miami team without question.

kozelkid
05-17-2011, 12:22 PM
So concensus is the Bulls can't possibly play better and the Heat will inevitably get better.


And does anyone think the Bulls sacrificed the 30 pts to Bosh on layups and dunks in order to keep Wade and Lebron from being able to attack as much?

Thibs said he was disappointed at the D on Bosh, but I think it was planned that way all along, slow Wade and James down and you slow that entire Miami team without question.

Obviously.

Thibs still was disappointed cause he's always disappointed. That's our team motto and I love it. :D

But yes, the goal was to force the role players do everything while making Lebron and Wade take bad shots. Nothing different since Boston beat Cleveland and Miami.

tjlipford
05-17-2011, 12:37 PM
I think Miami will play better in game 2, but I dont understand why people think Chicago will play worse. They have matchup advantages against Miami & there bench is better. Also there a hell of a defensive team & they will be tough each and every game.

They are young, quick, disciplined, and have guys who can guard multiple positions on the court. This wont get easier for Miami, but they can make adjustments to put themselves in a better position.

I cant say who will win game 2, but I think it will be better game & I expect Lebron to be more aggressive & Wade to hit more shots, but who knows. This is a great series to watch though!!!!

alencp3
05-17-2011, 01:06 PM
I bet 8000 euros on Miami this game.

daleja424
05-17-2011, 01:07 PM
I can't believe people are actually arguing that this wasn't the best of the Bulls offense. A team that was averaging under 95 PPG in the playoffs against WORSE defensive teams comes out and hangs 103 on Miami's defense and you guys are offended that I am claiming this was the best of the Bulls?

jp611
05-17-2011, 01:08 PM
I bet 8000 euros on Miami this game.

you're ****ed buddy

jp611
05-17-2011, 01:09 PM
I can't believe people are actually arguing that this wasn't the best of the Bulls offense. A team that was averaging under 95 PPG in the playoffs against WORSE defensive teams comes out and hangs 103 on Miami's defense and you guys are offended that I am claiming this was the best of the Bulls?

How? They shot below their average, they COULD shoot better next game, not to say they will, but they absolutely could

Gibby23
05-17-2011, 01:10 PM
I can't believe people are actually arguing that this wasn't the best of the Bulls offense. A team that was averaging under 95 PPG in the playoffs against WORSE defensive teams comes out and hangs 103 on Miami's defense and you guys are offended that I am claiming this was the best of the Bulls?

Thats like people saying the Bulls wont outrebound the Heat by 10 plus again. It has happened 3 out of 4 times.

redwhitenblue
05-17-2011, 01:11 PM
I can't believe people are actually arguing that this wasn't the best of the Bulls offense. A team that was averaging under 95 PPG in the playoffs against WORSE defensive teams comes out and hangs 103 on Miami's defense and you guys are offended that I am claiming this was the best of the Bulls?
When a team shoots 37% on initial shots, no, it's not the best.

The Bulls have scored 99 on Miami earlier in the year, how dare they get 4 more points-what an amazing effort for that extra 4 points.

And the Bulls have held Miami under 90 points in 3 of their 4 matchups.

k.smith904
05-17-2011, 01:13 PM
When will Heat fans stop underestimating the Bulls? Seriously what will it take guys?

The god complex of the heat and it's fans is astounding.

jockrider
05-17-2011, 01:17 PM
When will Heat fans stop underestimating the Bulls? Seriously what will it take guys?

The god complex of the heat and it's fans is astounding.

insecure much?

justinnum1
05-17-2011, 01:18 PM
insecure much?

Seriously.

redwhitenblue
05-17-2011, 01:19 PM
insecure much?
How is what he said insecure?


Anyways, the Heat have to play better D on the Bulls, flat out. They simply aren't going to score much against the Bulls on average.

daleja424
05-17-2011, 01:21 PM
LMAO. In one post you say, "Miami held the Bulls to 37% shooting on initial shots" and in the next post you say, "Miami needs to play better defense"

huh?

The ONLY difference in Game 1 was rebounding. If the HEAT commit to getting rebounds the game will be much closer.

Southsideheat
05-17-2011, 01:21 PM
Thibs' defense is more of a mental game than anything else. He believes that over the course of 4 quarters, it will break you down. Lebron and Wade have to be more disciplined to run plays when things aren't going right rather than reverting to iso plays. They have to be mentally tougher.

k.smith904
05-17-2011, 01:22 PM
insecure much?

I have all the confidence in my team in the world. It just baffles me how you can write off 4 straight losses to the same team as a fluke.

Nice ad Hominem though.

Gibby23
05-17-2011, 01:25 PM
LMAO. In one post you say, "Miami held the Bulls to 37% shooting on initial shots" and in the next post you say, "Miami needs to play better defense"

huh?

The ONLY difference in Game 1 was rebounding. If the HEAT commit to getting rebounds the game will be much closer.

But the Bull have more skilled rebounders that are commited to it. They outrebounded Miami by double digits in 3 out of 4 games this year and had 10 plus offensive rebounds in all 4 games.

And, yes the Heat have to play better defense because inital shots are not the end all be all, last I checked second chance points are a part of playing defense, even if the Bulls get a 2nd chance look, Miami need to do a better job of making them miss.

redwhitenblue
05-17-2011, 01:25 PM
LMAO. In one post you say, "Miami held the Bulls to 37% shooting on initial shots" and in the next post you say, "Miami needs to play better defense"

huh?

The ONLY difference in Game 1 was rebounding. If the HEAT commit to getting rebounds the game will be much closer.
Rebounding is a big part of defense-holding teams to one shot.

That being said, Miami hasn't been able to 'commit' to get rebounds against the Bulls. The only close game was Bulls +6.

Even more hilarious is people acting like they can just 'commit' to get rebounds and therefore do it. I saw Miami guys around the boards consistently, but Noah, Boozer and Gibson were continually getting position and are just better rebounders. Furthermore, once Miami gave up a few boards, everyone on Miami began crashing the boards-leaving Deng, Rose, Watson, Bogans, etc wide open outside on any offensive board for a kick out.

Miami can send all 5 of their guys in, but that doesn't mean they're going to get the boards over taller, more athletic bigs. And the worst thing for Miami would be to have LBJ and Wade crashing boards and possibly picking up stupid fouls.

Pierzynski4Prez
05-17-2011, 01:27 PM
I can't believe people are actually arguing that this wasn't the best of the Bulls offense. A team that was averaging under 95 PPG in the playoffs against WORSE defensive teams comes out and hangs 103 on Miami's defense and you guys are offended that I am claiming this was the best of the Bulls?

You need a reality check buddy.

OMG, the bulls scored 103 points, they can't possibly put up 100 points again. They played out of their minds because they broke 100.

Get with it. You will need to put up 100 against this D in 3 of the next 6 games if you want Miami to have any chance at taking the series.

SteBO
05-17-2011, 01:31 PM
The Bulls can undoubtedly play well again, but how was last night not one of their best performances this postseason? It clearly was, in the second half at least. They were pretty good in the first half, but they were great in the second half.

daleja424
05-17-2011, 01:32 PM
And again, with regards to the FG%, yes it was low, but the Bulls still MADE 38 FGs, which is well above their average.

Simply put, if they would have made more initial shots there would have been fewer offensive rebounds and put backs...but that doesn't matter. All that matters is that they scored FGs on nearly half of their trips down the court.

Shots+ TOs - Offensive Rebounds is approximately equal to trips down the floor...

87 + 9 - (19) = 77 trips
38 FGMs/77 trips= 49%

49% of trips down the floor they scored a basket

HEAT
68 +16 - 6 = 78
32 FGM/78= 41%

...even though the Bulls didn't have a great FG% they were still very efficient as a result of the 19 offensive rebounds and +7 TO margin. As a result the Bulls took 19 more FGAs than Miami. If Miami gets that margin to close to a more reasonable number...its a close game...

Southsideheat
05-17-2011, 01:32 PM
The more disturbing occurrence for the Heat is that the Bulls offensive rebounds happend even though Rose didn't get into the paint. Which is where most of the Bulls offensive rebounds come from.

Gibby23
05-17-2011, 01:34 PM
The Bulls can undoubtedly play well again, but how was last night not one of their best performances this postseason? It clearly was, in the second half at least. They were pretty good in the first half, but they were great in the second half.

Maybe they played great because they had a great game plan and great coaching. Maybe they looked at film on when they beat the Heat and found ways to improve on the games they won. Maybe the players on the Bulls know that they have to play all out on every play if they want to get to the Finals. That is what I saw.

Southsideheat
05-17-2011, 01:34 PM
The Bulls can undoubtedly play well again, but how was last night not one of their best performances this postseason? It clearly was, in the second half at least. They were pretty good in the first half, but they were great in the second half.

The bulls were doing the same thing in the second half as they were in the first. The only difference is the Heat weren't mentally tough enough. You got to stay the course for 4quarters.

kozelkid
05-17-2011, 01:35 PM
Why do Heat fans always need some excuse.
Either Bosh just had a bad game, or it's the refs or Bulls were lucky to have their best game. :rolleyes:

daleja424
05-17-2011, 01:36 PM
Don't get me wrong. The Bulls will continue to kill Miami on the board without a doubt...they are a better rebounding team... but if the HEAT commit to boxing out and team rebounding instead of leaking out on the break the Bulls should not be able to grab 19 offensive rebounds for 31 second chance point.

Also, Miami rarely commits more TOs than it forces...and in this game the HEAt were -7 in the TO category.

All I am saying is that I highly doubt the Bulls will have another game where they get 19 more FGAs than Miami, so the games should be closer from this point forward.

Gibby23
05-17-2011, 01:38 PM
And again, with regards to the FG%, yes it was low, but the Bulls still MADE 38 FGs, which is well above their average.

Simply put, if they would have made more initial shots there would have been fewer offensive rebounds and put backs...but that doesn't matter. All that matters is that they scored FGs on nearly half of their trips down the court.

Shots+ TOs - Offensive Rebounds is approximately equal to trips down the floor...

87 + 9 - (19) = 77 trips
38 FGMs/77 trips= 49%

49% of trips down the floor they scored a basket

HEAT
68 +16 - 6 = 78
32 FGM/78= 41%

...even though the Bulls didn't have a great FG% they were still very efficient as a result of the 19 offensive rebounds and +7 TO margin. As a result the Bulls took 19 more FGAs than Miami. If Miami gets that margin to close to a more reasonable number...its a close game...


The only thing wrong with this is the the Bulls DID do that and that shows me and other people that they have the ability to do it. You broke down the numbers for the Bulls that they really put up and they counted and for Miami you say IF they close the Margin. We don't know IF Miami can do that, but we know what the Bulls can do because you listed out what they did.

kozelkid
05-17-2011, 01:39 PM
Don't get me wrong. The Bulls will continue to kill Miami on the board without a doubt...they are a better rebounding team... but if the HEAT commit to boxing out and team rebounding instead of leaking out on the break the Bulls should not be able to grab 19 offensive rebounds for 31 second chance point.

Also, Miami rarely commits more TOs than it forces...and in this game the HEAt were -7 in the TO category.

All I am saying is that I highly doubt the Bulls will have another game where they get 19 more FGAs than Miami, so the games should be closer from this point forward.

No that's not all you were saying. If it was, no one would have a problem with that statement. The problem was when you start saying Bulls offense played their best which is simply untrue. Again your arrogance shows true when you actually think you know more about our offense than people that watched EVERY SINGLE game. Our shooting was mediocre and we didn't get to the line much. Clearly we can still be better offensively. Alot better. Now I have no problem saying our defense was near flawless. Our offense though? Far from it.

daleja424
05-17-2011, 01:42 PM
You all want to keep pointing to the regular season...well take a look... The Bulls won three games by a combined 8 points.

In those three games combined the Bulls took 16 more shots than Miami.

IN this game the Bulls won by like 20 and took 19 more shots than Miami. If you don't think this game was an anomaly then you are in for a shock. I think any reasonable person would admit that the rest of this series should be much closer than Game 1.

SteBO
05-17-2011, 01:43 PM
Maybe they played great because they had a great game plan and great coaching. Maybe they looked at film on when they beat the Heat and found ways to improve on the games they won. Maybe the players on the Bulls know that they have to play all out on every play if they want to get to the Finals. That is what I saw.
That's what I saw from them as well. On Miami's side, I saw a team, in the second half really, that came out with no energy or sense of purpose, no effort, or pride. As far throughout the game entirely, I saw a Heat team that forgot how to box out and simply not know how to move the ball on offense. That's what I saw. You and some other Bulls fans here are making more out of this than it really is. Nobody is knocking the Bulls play, nobody's disrespecting them or even underestimating them for that matter. All daleja and I are saying, is that the Bulls played their "A" game the other night, Miami didn't and didn't bother trying to get any movement offensively or boxing out to rebound. They looked defeated, and that's the reality we're in today. If anyone is going to take what I'm saying as disrespecting the Bulls, or underestimating them, then that's your problem.

SteBO
05-17-2011, 01:45 PM
The bulls were doing the same thing in the second half as they were in the first. The only difference is the Heat weren't mentally tough enough. You got to stay the course for 4quarters.

:clap::clap:

This is exacty my point. Thank you.

Gibby23
05-17-2011, 01:45 PM
You all want to keep pointing to the regular season...well take a look... The Bulls won three games by a combined 8 points.

In those three games combined the Bulls took 16 more shots than Miami.

IN this game the Bulls won by like 20 and took 19 more shots than Miami. If you don't think this game was an anomaly then you are in for a shock. I think any reasonable person would admit that the rest of this series should be much closer than Game 1.


Or the coaching staff and the players watched tape and saw something they could take advantage of after the first 3 wins and they stuck with the game plan and on the other side the coach tried to go small and didn't trust what got the Heat this far. the heat got outcoached and outplayed.

DaSox_05
05-17-2011, 01:45 PM
You all want to keep pointing to the regular season...well take a look... The Bulls won three games by a combined 8 points.

In those three games combined the Bulls took 16 more shots than Miami.

IN this game the Bulls won by like 20 and took 19 more shots than Miami. If you don't think this game was an anomaly then you are in for a shock. I think any reasonable person would admit that the rest of this series should be much closer than Game 1.

Well the reason the Bulls took more shots is because they out rebounded the Heat. I dont see that changing, the Bulls are just a better rebounding team.

HuRRiCaNeS324
05-17-2011, 01:46 PM
Every time a HEAT fan says we need to close the rebounding margin, a Bulls fan ignorantly responds by saying we can't, because they are too big and athletic.

That would be true if 1. youre facing one of the worst rebounding teams i the league or 2. we had a team full of midgets.

We CAN close the GAP because were are actually a GOOD rebounding team (#4). Its not all about height and athleticism.

ackar
05-17-2011, 01:48 PM
Bulls win!

toovey107
05-17-2011, 01:48 PM
It's been shown in 4 games and it will continue to become apparent throughout this series.

The Bulls are just the worst possible match up for the Heat- An elite rebounding/defensive team with good depth and extremely discipline.

daleja424
05-17-2011, 01:49 PM
No that's not all you were saying. If it was, no one would have a problem with that statement. The problem was when you start saying Bulls offense played their best which is simply untrue. Again your arrogance shows true when you actually think you know more about our offense than people that watched EVERY SINGLE game. Our shooting was mediocre and we didn't get to the line much. Clearly we can still be better offensively. Alot better. Now I have no problem saying our defense was near flawless. Our offense though? Far from it.

Yes...it is arrogant to point out the stats :rolleyes:

I have been thorough AND rational, which is more than I can say for you.

The Bulls scored 38 FGs! They average 35...
The Bulls shot 48% from 3 point land! They average 35%...
The Bulls got 19 offensive rebounds! They average under 13...
The Bulls average under 95 PPG! They scored 103...

While you are focusing on ONE category (FG%) I am explaining that the Bulls overachieved last night in many areas and I don't expect them to be able to do it every game.

Law of averages. They had an above average game by their standards. Over the course of this series they will probably have some below and @ average games as well.

What is so difficult to understand about that?

Gibby23
05-17-2011, 01:51 PM
Yes...it is arrogant to point out the stats :rolleyes:

I have been thorough AND rational, which is more than I can say for you.

The Bulls scored 38 FGs! They average 35...
The Bulls shot 48% from 3 point land! They average 35%...
The Bulls got 19 offensive rebounds! They average under 13...
The Bulls average under 95 PPG! They scored 103...

While you are focusing on ONE category (FG%) I am explaining that the Bulls overachieved last night in many areas and I don't expect them to be able to do it every game.

Law of averages. They had an above average game by their standards. Over the course of this series they will probably have some below and @ average games as well.

What is so difficult to understand about that?


Why only Bulls stats and only IF's for the Heat?

kozelkid
05-17-2011, 01:52 PM
Yes...it is arrogant to point out the stats :rolleyes:

I have been thorough AND rational, which is more than I can say for you.

The Bulls scored 38 FGs! They average 35...
The Bulls shot 48% from 3 point land! They average 35%...
The Bulls got 19 offensive rebounds! They average under 13...
The Bulls average under 95 PPG! They scored 103...

While you are focusing on ONE category (FG%) I am explaining that the Bulls overachieved last night in many areas and I don't expect them to be able to do it every game.

Law of averages. They had an above average game by their standards. Over the course of this series they will probably have some below and @ average games as well.

What is so difficult to understand about that?


Because you are saying now what you haven't said before.
I completely agree with bolded. We played above average. We played well, but we still were far from a perfect game. You want an example of a "perfect game", look no further than the game preceding this one. Game 6 against Atlanta.

Southsideheat
05-17-2011, 01:52 PM
:clap::clap:

This is exacty my point. Thank you.

Yes, but that was because the defense made them. It's not going to be easy just to grind against thibs' defense.

daleja424
05-17-2011, 01:52 PM
Well the reason the Bulls took more shots is because they out rebounded the Heat. I dont see that changing, the Bulls are just a better rebounding team.

Yes....they will continue to outrebound Miami... no doubt. But as the stats I quoted pointed out... the will probably not be able to replicate such a dominance again. Like I said, in all three games this year total they grabbed 16 more rebounds than Miami... they did better than that last night alone.

two nights ago was a statistical anomaly people. The trend will continue...but not as dramatically as we saw two nights ago.

Southsideheat
05-17-2011, 01:54 PM
It's been shown in 4 games and it will continue to become apparent throughout this series.

The Bulls are just the worst possible match up for the Heat- An elite rebounding/defensive team with good depth and extremely discipline.

Time will tell.

toovey107
05-17-2011, 01:54 PM
Pssh, the regular season doesn't matter.

O wait, maybe it does...

daleja424
05-17-2011, 01:55 PM
Why only Bulls stats and only IF's for the Heat?

HEAT stats would only enforce my argument b/c the HEAT had a statistically atrocious game.

The Bulls were above average and the HEAT were below average. When both teams play at the average this is a close series.

Southsideheat
05-17-2011, 01:55 PM
Yes....they will continue to outrebound Miami... no doubt. But as the stats I quoted pointed out... the will probably not be able to replicate such a dominance again. Like I said, in all three games this year total they grabbed 16 more rebounds than Miami... they did better than that last night alone.

two nights ago was a statistical anomaly people. The trend will continue...but not as dramatically as we saw two nights ago.

Well even if they out rebound them by 5, that's still a problem for the heat. I don't think anyone expects the bulls to blow them out 3 more time just that it seems that the heat are starting the game behind the 8 ball.

Pierzynski4Prez
05-17-2011, 01:56 PM
Yes...it is arrogant to point out the stats :rolleyes:

I have been thorough AND rational, which is more than I can say for you.

The Bulls scored 38 FGs! They average 35...
The Bulls shot 48% from 3 point land! They average 35%...
The Bulls got 19 offensive rebounds! They average under 13...
The Bulls average under 95 PPG! They scored 103...

While you are focusing on ONE category (FG%) I am explaining that the Bulls overachieved last night in many areas and I don't expect them to be able to do it every game.

Law of averages. They had an above average game by their standards. Over the course of this series they will probably have some below and @ average games as well.

What is so difficult to understand about that?

Are those playoff stats or reg season stats? Because if they're regular season, you have your #'s wrong. If they're playoffs, you're talking what, 11 games. Not quite the sample size I'd depend on and base an argument around why the Bulls WON'T perform that well again.

SteBO
05-17-2011, 01:56 PM
Yes, but that was because the defense made them. It's not going to be easy just to grind against thibs' defense.

Well, we have to and continue to attack, mo matter how good the D is. Sometimes, you gotta force the issue.

daleja424
05-17-2011, 01:56 PM
Because you are saying now what you haven't said before.
I completely agree with bolded. We played above average. We played well, but we still were far from a perfect game. You want an example of a "perfect game", look no further than the game preceding this one. Game 6 against Atlanta.

so you are taking offense to semantics? b/c I used the phrase "we have seen the best of the bulls offense" instead of using the phrase "the bulls offense had an above average game"

seriously? :eyebrow: