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kingbrentg
05-13-2011, 06:34 PM
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Miami Heat: Chicago Bulls:
Points: LeBron James - 26.7 Derrick Rose - 25.0
Rebounds: Chris Bosh - 8.3 Joakim Noah - 10.4
Assists: LeBron James - 7.0 Derrick Rose - 7.7
Blocks: Joel Anthony - 1.2 Joakim Noah - 1.5
Steals: LeBron James - 1.6 Ronnie Brewer - 1.3
Field Goal %: Erick Dampier - 58.4 Omer Asik - 55.3
3-Point %: Mike Bibby - 45.5 Kyle Korver - 41.5
Efficient FG %: James Jones - 60.0 Omer Asik - 55.3
True Shooting %: James Jones - 62.9 Joakim Noah - 57.9
Minutes: LeBron James - 38.8 Luol Deng - 39.1
PER: LeBron James - 27.3 Derrick Rose - 23.5
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Chicago Wins Season Series 3-0

Bulls 99, Heat 96 - January 15, 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL7YLFgB_cc)

Bulls 93, Heat 89 - February 24, 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPBBU8DyYC0)

Bulls 87, Heat 86 - March 6, 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL7StbDv9ms)




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SteBO
05-13-2011, 06:37 PM
Oh god, are we going to war already? :pity: God help this forum.

kingbrentg
05-13-2011, 06:41 PM
I was directed by the Man Rammer to post it. Blame him. :p

Cubs Win
05-13-2011, 06:41 PM
I'm hoping the Bulls come out strong and take the first 2 at the UC. This should be a great series!

godolphins
05-13-2011, 06:44 PM
Its us against the world

uchiha
05-13-2011, 06:45 PM
CT?! CT!!!??

HOW DARE YOU CREATE A GAME THREAD WHERE THE TIME IS NOT SPECIFIED IN EST!

but really, good luck to both teams.. don't expect nearly as much chippiness as was shown in Heat/Celtics series

godolphins
05-13-2011, 06:46 PM
I got the Bulls in seven mostly because of home court advantage

Chi StateOfMind
05-13-2011, 06:46 PM
Bulls win dont know the score or care just wanna weeeein.

Ezio
05-13-2011, 06:49 PM
PSD is going to have some major issues during and after the game.

h2r09
05-13-2011, 06:50 PM
heat wil steal one of the first 2 games.

Chi StateOfMind
05-13-2011, 06:50 PM
Accidently voted heat im on my iphone and my double click zoom doesn't work.

TheRunKiller
05-13-2011, 06:53 PM
I'm hoping the Bulls come out strong and take the first 2 at the UC. This should be a great series!

:nod:

Sergio1984
05-13-2011, 06:58 PM
Heat takes one at home, Bulls take one at the UC South. Bulls win!

k.smith904
05-13-2011, 07:09 PM
Bulls big men:

Boozer
Noah
Gibson
Asik
Thomas


Heat big men:

Anthony
Bosh?

Master Mind
05-13-2011, 07:11 PM
Quite the GT! Nice!

ManRam
05-13-2011, 07:12 PM
Brent with the stylistic magic again!

I think the Bulls grab game 1.

jp611
05-13-2011, 07:12 PM
I wish I could fast forward to Sunday

k.smith904
05-13-2011, 07:13 PM
I pray to god the officiating is fair in this series.

I fear a 06 finals type thing happening again.

Master Mind
05-13-2011, 07:15 PM
I pray to god the officiating is fair in this series.

I fear a 06 finals type thing happening again.

What happened in 06' :confused:














:eyebrow:

ManRam
05-13-2011, 07:16 PM
What happened in 06' :confused:














:eyebrow:

The league clearly just LOVES Miami. :rolleyes: If they win, it's because the league wanted it!

Master Mind
05-13-2011, 07:17 PM
That other thread should enter the PSD NBA Forum Threads of Fame...

Master Mind
05-13-2011, 07:19 PM
The league clearly just LOVES Miami. :rolleyes: If they win, it's because the league wanted it!

Baffles me....

Chacarron
05-13-2011, 07:20 PM
Derrick Rose is going to have his way all series long.

jp611
05-13-2011, 07:20 PM
I pray to god the officiating is fair in this series.

I fear a 06 finals type thing happening again.

don't even start with this crap

k.smith904
05-13-2011, 07:21 PM
The league clearly just LOVES Miami. :rolleyes: If they win, it's because the league wanted it!

If they win because they got 50 more FTA in consecutive series, then yes something would be quite fishy.

If they clearly outplay the Bulls like they did the Celtics, I'll have no qualms about losing.

Master Mind
05-13-2011, 07:21 PM
Derrick Rose is going to have his way all series long.

This isn't Burger King

k.smith904
05-13-2011, 07:22 PM
This series is gonna be awesome!

:D

Chacarron
05-13-2011, 07:30 PM
This isn't Burger King

:cricket: Lame.....

Master Mind
05-13-2011, 07:31 PM
:cricket: Lame.....

It wasn't a joke.

Baller1
05-13-2011, 08:33 PM
I think Chicago will take this first game.

shrek
05-13-2011, 08:51 PM
Chicago will beat the crap out of heat and then media will say D.Wade and JBJ regrets signing with the heat

Avenged
05-13-2011, 09:08 PM
Miami wins the 1st won.

PF spot could be the x-factor. Bosh vs Boozer. Boozer needs a good series if the Bulls want to win this.

MJ-BULLS
05-13-2011, 09:48 PM
I got the Bulls winning this first game.

The crowd is going to be even louder than the previous games we have seen. it's going to end up being a factor threw out the game i believe.

koreancabbage
05-13-2011, 09:54 PM
Miami has nothing to be scared of from the Bulls. Regular season doesn't mean anything as the series b/w Boston and Miami was nothing compared to the playoff series. I expect the same thing in this series as well. Miami in 5.

D1JM
05-13-2011, 10:29 PM
bulls out-rebound the heat by 11+ rebounds a game.

h2r09
05-13-2011, 10:37 PM
bulls out-rebound the heat by 11+ rebounds a game.

guarentee you it is either really close or the heat will lead in rebounds most series.

Gibby23
05-13-2011, 10:40 PM
The HEAT take game 1 by 10 and also will take game 2 and go back home with. 2-0 series lead.

johnwayne
05-13-2011, 10:44 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'am more excited about this series than I'am for the actual Championship....I think the Bulls-Heat rivalry will last many years and will go down in history as one of the greatest. I will not miss a second of any game......and even though I want the Bulls to win more than I want the sun to rise in the morning.....may the best team win....LET'S GET IT ON!!! lol

johnwayne
05-13-2011, 10:50 PM
Miami has nothing to be scared of from the Bulls. Regular season doesn't mean anything as the series b/w Boston and Miami was nothing compared to the playoff series. I expect the same thing in this series as well. Miami in 5.

The fact that Boston didn't have Shaq, Perk, or a healthy Rondo "might", just "might" have had something to do with it.....and game 4 was OT and game 5 they won in the last 100 seconds.....This was a different Boston team than from the regular season...Those Celtics from round 2 are far from what the round 3 Bulls will be.....don't be shocked when Chicago sweeps...I'm calling it now.....CHICAGO 4-0....Miami is about to get exposed

D1JM
05-13-2011, 11:04 PM
guarentee you it is either really close or the heat will lead in rebounds most series.

why?

Rego247
05-13-2011, 11:07 PM
bulls will take gm 1. but the bigger question is will rupaul give us an encore of his 1 for 18 perfomance? we shall see.

AllBall
05-13-2011, 11:15 PM
I pray to god the officiating is fair in this series.

I fear a 06 finals type thing happening again.

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n466/reaeper/AndHereWeGo.gif

:rolleyes:

TheRunKiller
05-13-2011, 11:40 PM
Miami has nothing to be scared of from the Bulls. Regular season doesn't mean anything as the series b/w Boston and Miami was nothing compared to the playoff series. I expect the same thing in this series as well. Miami in 5.

stop bringing up the boston series this has nothing to do with them

ryang
05-13-2011, 11:41 PM
The fact that Boston didn't have Shaq, Perk, or a healthy Rondo "might", just "might" have had something to do with it.....and game 4 was OT and game 5 they won in the last 100 seconds.....This was a different Boston team than from the regular season...Those Celtics from round 2 are far from what the round 3 Bulls will be.....don't be shocked when Chicago sweeps...I'm calling it now.....CHICAGO 4-0....Miami is about to get exposed

when rondo went down i beleive it was 2-0 heat.. we didnt trade perk for jeff green they did and green played alright... and please tell me u didnt expect shaq to be healthy this time of year????


:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

k.smith904
05-13-2011, 11:45 PM
Bottom line is this series could easily go either way, which is why both fanbases are so confident their team will be the victor.

So go ahead and debate the matchups and everything, but please please PLEASE stop pretending either team will dominate the other.

:rolleyes:

12evolution 9
05-13-2011, 11:55 PM
Bulls big men:

Boozer
Noah
Gibson
Asik
Thomas


Heat big men:

Anthony
Bosh?

Bosh
Anthony
Dampier
Zydrunas
Magloire
Haslem
Howard

.... dont underestimate veterans especially when it is only limited minutes so they can produce enough, atleast on the defensive level.

TheRunKiller
05-14-2011, 12:03 AM
Bosh
Anthony
Dampier
Zydrunas
Magloire
Haslem
Howard

.... dont underestimate veterans especially when it is only limited minutes so they can produce enough, atleast on the defensive level.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

kjoke
05-14-2011, 12:06 AM
If you add Thomas to show how good your big men are, we have ever right to add those players too. Not that funny

ryang
05-14-2011, 12:08 AM
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

somethn tell's me u don't mean this reaction if u do :burn: but seriously no way you should even know our lineups will be different then previous series due to the same facts all bulls fans say celtics had no big men neither did we we didnt play them no need 2

RZZZA
05-14-2011, 12:11 AM
^ do you believe in using punctuation? Your posts are long run-on sentences

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 12:13 AM
guarentee you it is either really close or the heat will lead in rebounds most series.

Wanting something happens, doesn't mean it's possible or realistic. The Bulls are the BEST rebounding team in the NBA. With how fired up these guys are going to be, there's no way it's close on the boards. This isn't a bad rebounding Celtics team here they will be playing. Both Bulls and Heat fans need to be realistic about things in this series. Saying the Heat will out rebounding the Bulls in this series or that it will be close. Is like a Bulls fan saying Luol Deng will score as much as Lebron or it will be close. Both teams have advantages on each other and that's not going to change in this series. Both teams are going to play tough defense on each other. Lebron/Wade are going to score and be tough to stop and so will Bosh when he's playing well. Rose is going to score and be tough to stop and so will Boozer/Deng when they are playing well. While the Bulls will have a good rebounding edge, which will limit the Heat to one shot and get second chance shots for the Bulls.


So IMO the key to this series is going to be the role players. The Heat aren't going to win if they get nothing from Anthony or the C position, which will be much harder for him going up against Noah, Asik and others. They also aren't going to win if Bibby, Jones, Miller or House aren't hitting their shots. But if say 3 of those 5 guys play well the Heat have a good chance to win this series. While for the Bulls to win, they will need Noah to play well and out play any Heat center by a good amount. With good play from Taj/Asik/Watson/Brewer off the bench and Bogans/Korver hitting their shots. So for the Bulls to win this series they need to out rebound the Heat, and have their role players have to out play the Heat role players by a good amount. Since depth and the rebounding edge will allow the Bulls to make up for the Heat having two superstars and the Bulls only one.


So that's why I have said all along it's going to come down to which teams role players play the best. Because Lebron/Wade are going to get theirs, Rose is going to get his, the Bulls are going to out rebound them and both teams will play good defense. The Heat can't win this series unless Lebron/Wade/Bosh are getting help. Because like it or not, they aren't gonna beat a team with Rose, Bulls defense/rebounding if they have 7-8 players performing well and the Heat only have 3-4. But if the Heat role players even come close to matching the Bulls role players. Well they have a pretty strong chance to win this series. Anyways that's me trying to give a non bias look at this series.

gatkins11
05-14-2011, 12:14 AM
Please do not overestimate Dampier.

ryang
05-14-2011, 12:17 AM
^ do you believe in using punctuation? Your posts are long run-on sentences

u r correct... i will use ..... more often....

JordansBulls
05-14-2011, 12:22 AM
Bulls need game 1 here. Can't fall behind in this one.

ryang
05-14-2011, 12:22 AM
Wanting something happens, doesn't mean it's possible or realistic. The Bulls are the BEST rebounding team in the NBA. With how fired up these guys are going to be, there's no way it's close on the boards. This isn't a bad rebounding Celtics team here they will be playing. Both Bulls and Heat fans need to be realistic about things in this series. Saying the Heat will out rebounding the Bulls in this series or that it will be close. Is like a Bulls fan saying Luol Deng will score as much as Lebron or it will be close. Both teams have advantages on each other and that's not going to change in this series. Both teams are going to play tough defense on each other. Lebron/Wade are going to score and be tough to stop and so will Bosh when he's playing well. Rose is going to score and be tough to stop and so will Boozer/Deng when they are playing well. While the Bulls will have a good rebounding edge, which will limit the Heat to one shot and get second chance shots for the Bulls.


So IMO the key to this series is going to be the role players. The Heat aren't going to win if they get nothing from Anthony or the C position, which will be much hard for him going up against Noah, Asik and others. They also aren't going to win if Bibby, Jones, Miller or House aren't hitting their shots. But if say 3 of those 5 guys play well the Heat have a good chance to win this series. While for the Bulls to win, they will need Noah to play well and out play any Heat center by a good amount. With good play from Taj/Asik/Watson/Brewer off the bench and Bogans/Korver hitting their shots. So for the Bulls to win this series they need to out rebound the Heat, and have their role players have to out play the Heat role players by a good amount. Since depth and the rebounding edge will allow the Bulls to make up for the Heat having two superstars and the Bulls only one.


So that's why I have said all along it's going to come down to which teams role players play the best. Because Lebron/Wade are going to get theirs, Rose is going to get his, the Bulls are going to out rebound them and both teams will play good defense. The Heat can't win this series unless Lebron/Wade/Bosh are getting help. Because like it or not, they aren't gonna beat a team with Rose, Bulls defense/rebounding if they have 7-8 players performing well and the Heat only have 3-4. But if the Heat role players even come close to matching the Bulls role players. Well they have a pretty strong chance to win this series. Anyways that's me trying to give a non bias look at this series.



our big men sure the bulls should have the edge but dont forget wade lebron and chalmers will force more misst shot's then hinrich's replacment or whoever tried to cover rose from the pacers... that being said it's more where the ball bounces after a miss cause wade lebron bosh joel haslem or even m.miller can go up and get a 50 50 ball on a boozer (not noah) or any of those other big's... (besides noah and joel is the same person maybe not noah's level yet guess thats why the game is sunday not last night we will see)

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-14-2011, 12:24 AM
If you add Thomas to show how good your big men are, we have ever right to add those players too. Not that funny

Kurt Thomas had a bigger impact this season than any of those guys listed after Bosh and Anthony combined. Without him, who knows where the Bulls would've been when Noah missed 2 months.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 12:27 AM
bulls out-rebound the heat by 11+ rebounds a game.


ya... so did the celtics.... oh o.

let me tell you what is going to happen .....

Wade will get 7+ rebounds
Lebron 7+ rebounds
Bosh 10+ rebounds
Anthony 8+ rebounds

ill give that back up center and taj gibson credit coming off the bench, but were going to have Haslem back as well with Either one of these big men to work inside: Dampier-Anthony-Magloire-Zydrunus- who know's we might activate Dexter Pittman.

ryang
05-14-2011, 12:27 AM
Bulls big men:

Boozer
Noah
Gibson
Asik
Thomas

Heat big men:

Anthony
Bosh?

bosh n boozer come on u would trade boozer for bosh and u know it...

gibson :facepalm::facepalm:


asik who?? i know who he is but :confused:


thomas = j.howard maybe and they both r in the words of barkley turroobbbllleee

RZZZA
05-14-2011, 12:29 AM
every last one of the Bulls big men are extremely capable. I think its clear at this point our centers are much better than your centers.

No we would not trade Booz for Bosh. Boozer rebounds better and he's a low post player, Bosh is just a jump shooter.

ryang
05-14-2011, 12:30 AM
i know gibson doesnt suck completely but please dont act like he is going to grab 10 boards a night... or even 6... best stats against the heat for him 4 points 4 rebs a game book it.. not after game 1 or 2 im talkin average the whole series

ryang
05-14-2011, 12:31 AM
every last one of the Bulls big men are extremely capable. I think its clear at this point our centers are much better than your centers.

No we would not trade Booz for Bosh. Boozer rebounds better and he's a low post player, Bosh is just a jump shooter.

u sure? i think bosh on the bulls would be scary...

RZZZA
05-14-2011, 12:32 AM
I'm sure. Bulls have been looking for a low post threat for ages, there's no way we would trade Booz away for a jump shooter when we've been trying to get away from being a jump shooting team for years.

TheRunKiller
05-14-2011, 12:33 AM
u sure? i think bosh on the bulls would be scary...

maybe he could play SG for us

ryang
05-14-2011, 12:33 AM
this past season isnt even fair for bosh agaisnt boozer stat wise that being said anybody got a stat line for the 2 regular season and post season?? id like to see both but dont have the computer knowledge to make it happen

ryang
05-14-2011, 12:35 AM
I'm sure. Bulls have been looking for a low post threat for ages, there's no way we would trade Booz away for a jump shooter when we've been trying to get away from being a jump shooting team for years.

put noah next 2 bosh instead of big z what do u think then?? we have centers who put there body on bosh not sure boozer has had 2 deal with much of that... get those stats if poss im sure there is not a big difference..

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-14-2011, 12:36 AM
this past season isnt even fair for bosh agaisnt boozer stat wise that being said anybody got a stat line for the 2 regular season and post season?? id like to see both but dont have the computer knowledge to make it happen

Your posts are a pain to read, my goodness. Anyways, Boozer for the regular season 17.5 ppg & 9.6 rebs..Bosh 18.7 & 8.3. Not much of a "isnt even fair for bosh" or w/e you meant by that.

ryang
05-14-2011, 12:37 AM
i dont recall boozer being an animal at all besides last night against the hawks.. (playoffs im talkn not your reg season)

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 12:39 AM
our big men sure the bulls should have the edge but dont forget wade lebron and chalmers will force more misst shot's then hinrich's replacment or whoever tried to cover rose from the pacers...

Maybe, or maybe not. Not to mention Mike Bibby will be on Rose at times who will get destroyed. One thing you don't understand is the Pacers had really good defenders on Rose. You use the names Lebron/Wade, yes they are great players and big names. But it doesn't mean they are way superior defenders then George/Jones. For the most part Bibby/Chalmers will be on Rose. Wade/Lebron will try to defend them if they need a stop, but won't be very often.


that being said it's more where the ball bounces after a miss cause wade lebron bosh joel haslem or even m.miller can go up and get a 50 50 ball

Yep and likely it will bounce the Bulls way more often, because they have better rebounders to get the ball. Again just because you want somethign to happen, doesn't mean it's realistic. Hey I want Deng to match Lebron scoring in this series too. Maybe if every shot goes in that Deng takes, that can happen. But how realistic is that? That is exactly how some of your theories are sounding here.


on a boozer (not noah) or any of those other big's... (besides noah and joel is the same person maybe not noah's level yet guess thats why the game is sunday not last night we will see)

Boozer is a stud rebounder and more powerful then any Heat player going up for boards. He's also every bit as good as a rebounder as Noah. Which is another reason why the Bulls are such a good rebounding team. Not to mention Deng/Rose are good rebounders for their positions and the Bulls got good rebounders off the bench in Taj and Asik. Also again with your bias nonsense. Noah is one of the best centers in the NBA, he averaged almost 12/11 for the Bulls this year. Even trying to compare him to Noah is just flat out nonsense Anthony averaged 2 PPG this year with 3.3 rebounds, heck Noah back up Omer Asik Bulls averaged in 2.8 PPG and 3.7 rebounds in 7 less minutes a game. So again you saying whatever the Heat have at C is anywhere close to as good as what the Bulls have at C. Is like saying Deng can be as good as Lebron in this series and we will see Sunday.

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-14-2011, 12:39 AM
Who said anything about Boozer being an "animal"? :facepalm:

ryang
05-14-2011, 12:40 AM
Your posts are a pain to read, my goodness. Anyways, Boozer for the regular season 17.5 ppg & 9.6 rebs..Bosh 18.7 & 8.3. Not much of a "isnt even fair for bosh" or w/e you meant by that.

Thats with no true center.. Not to mention Lebron and Wade having the majority of the touches... What about the post season stat's?? Was that easier to read??

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 12:42 AM
every last one of the Bulls big men are extremely capable. I think its clear at this point our centers are much better than your centers.

No we would not trade Booz for Bosh. Boozer rebounds better and he's a low post player, Bosh is just a jump shooter.


Noah is a good center, but he is basically a put back center and a good rebounder and he will likely be contesting against Bosh, and Anthony will be on Boozer..... and if that doesnt go well then we will switch it up but i doubt it will


but anyways I think it's clear your 1 ( ONE ) center is good NOAH, Hasik is a good defender, but the I.q. of Wade and Lebron even Bosh is high enough to make him bite on fouls and we will go to the line, i see Rose going to line but who else??? Deng?? Lebron will keep him check, Wade can keep him checked.

I expect line up to be
pg- wade/lebron/chalmers
sg- Wade/James Jones
sf- lebron/Jones/Wade
pf-Bosh/Anthony/Lebron
C-Bosh/ Joel Anthony

Chi StateOfMind
05-14-2011, 12:43 AM
I honestly don't even know why we debate anymore. SERIOUSLY!!

Bulls fans will say Bulls
Miami fans will say HEAT

No point in arguing back and forth. Who gives a f--- about what Bosh did Boozer did its irrelevant now. Remember season doesn't count HEAT fans. Well either does the previous playoff series. Brand new start 0-0.

All I know is that this is going to be a great series in which I hope the Bulls win, if not o well.

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-14-2011, 12:45 AM
I expect line up to be
pg- wade/lebron/chalmers
sg- Wade/James Jones
sf- lebron/Jones/Wade
pf-Bosh/Anthony/Lebron
C-Bosh/ Joel Anthony

:confused::confused::confused::confused:

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 12:45 AM
i dont recall boozer being an animal at all besides last night against the hawks.. (playoffs im talkn not your reg season)

He shot 52 percent in the series and averaged 17.3 PPG the final three games. He was finally playing again like the guy we saw in the first half. He only played 22 minutes in game 3 because it was a blow out and didn't play in the 4th quarter in game 5, because Taj was on fire(playing Boozer like) and Thibs wasn't going to take him out. But he played well overall in that series.

Chi StateOfMind
05-14-2011, 12:45 AM
I don't think im going to bother posting during the game b/c it will be straight chaos in here. Plus it will take away from watching the Finals...I mean ECF!!

kjoke
05-14-2011, 12:45 AM
I think Chalmers will surprise alot with his play on rose

ryang
05-14-2011, 12:46 AM
Maybe, or maybe not. Not to mention Mike Bibby will be on Rose at times who will get destroyed. One thing you don't understand is the Pacers had really good defenders on Rose. You use the names Lebron/Wade, yes they are great players and big names. But it doesn't mean they are way superior defenders then George/Jones. For the most part Bibby/Chalmers will be on Rose. Wade/Lebron will try to defend them if they need a stop, but won't be very often.



Yep and likely it will bounce the Bulls way more often, because they have better rebounders to get the ball. Again just because you want somethign to happen, doesn't mean it's realistic. Hey I want Deng to match Lebron scoring in this series too. Maybe if every shot goes in that Deng takes, that can happen. But how realistic is that? That is exactly how some of your theories are sounding here.



Boozer is a stud rebounder and more powerful then any Heat player going up for boards. He's also every bit as good as a rebounder as Noah. Which is another reason why the Bulls are such a good rebounding team. Not to mention Deng/Rose are good rebounders for their positions and the Bulls got good rebounders off the bench in Taj and Asik. Also again with your bias nonsense. Noah is one of the best centers in the NBA, he averaged almost 12/11 for the Bulls this year. Even trying to compare him to Noah is just flat out nonsense Anthony averaged 2 PPG this year with 3.3 rebounds, heck Noah back up Omer Asik Bulls averaged in 2.8 PPG and 3.7 rebounds in 7 less minutes a game. So again you saying whatever the Heat have at C is anywhere close to as good as what the Bulls have at C. Is like saying Deng can be as good as Lebron in this series and we will see Sunday.

no bibby doesnt play alot maybe the first 6 minutes... then the first 3 minutes of the 2nd half...

Your team out rebounded us in the regular season when we were finding our way... How much did you win by each game?? Wade and Lebron will rebound better shoot better and play better D Bank it..


If boozer is a stud at rebounding why is bosh's stats in the rebounding department virtually the same?? (thats considering what bulls fan's say about bosh)

D1JM
05-14-2011, 12:48 AM
ya... so did the celtics.... oh o.

let me tell you what is going to happen .....

Wade will get 7+ rebounds
Lebron 7+ rebounds
Bosh 10+ rebounds
Anthony 8+ rebounds

ill give that back up center and taj gibson credit coming off the bench, but were going to have Haslem back as well with Either one of these big men to work inside: Dampier-Anthony-Magloire-Zydrunus- who know's we might activate Dexter Pittman.

Damn. You guys might activate all 15 players? Didn't even know that was possible

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-14-2011, 12:50 AM
Thats with no true center.. Not to mention Lebron and Wade having the majority of the touches... What about the post season stat's?? Was that easier to read??

Sure Bosh has played well in the playoffs, but to be fair to Boozer he has been battling the turf toe, which is a very painful thing to deal with. You could see that it clearly bothered him during the whole Pacers series and part of the Hawks series. But his performance in game 6 gives us reason to believe it has gotten better and we'll see in this next series if he can finally be the Carlos Boozer we knew from Utah.

ryang
05-14-2011, 12:50 AM
I honestly don't even know why we debate anymore. SERIOUSLY!!

Bulls fans will say Bulls
Miami fans will say HEAT

No point in arguing back and forth. Who gives a f--- about what Bosh did Boozer did its irrelevant now. Remember season doesn't count HEAT fans. Well either does the previous playoff series. Brand new start 0-0.

All I know is that this is going to be a great series in which I hope the Bulls win, if not o well.

What else should we talk about until sunday?? how awesome our teams are to our own fan's??:shrug:

ryang
05-14-2011, 12:54 AM
Sure Bosh has played well in the playoffs, but to be fair to Boozer he has been battling the turf toe, which is a very painful thing to deal with. You could see that it clearly bothered him during the whole Pacers series and part of the Hawks series. But his performance in game 6 gives us reason to believe it has gotten better and we'll see in this next series if he can finally be the Carlos Boozer we knew from Utah.

Before that was broken wrist?? I get it now he hasn't played up to his potential from his day's in utah... I just keep hearing boozer will destroy bosh... and bosh is half a man... it's getting old expecially when they are both the same... bosh play's with lebron and wade boozer plays with rose that's about the only difference

DaBear
05-14-2011, 12:54 AM
I think Chalmers will surprise alot with his play on rose

I forgot about Chalmers. I'm sure Rose will want some revenge for the NC.

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 12:55 AM
Thats with no true center.. Not to mention Lebron and Wade having the majority of the touches... What about the post season stat's?? Was that easier to read??

Boozer shot 51 percent during the regular season and Bosh shot 50 percent getting basically the same amount of shots and touches. In the playoffs Bosh is shooting 45 percent getting 13 shots a game. While Boozer is shooting 11 shots a game. Overall Bosh is giving the Heat 16/10 and Boozer is giving the Bulls 12/10 in the playoffs. But that's because Bosh is getting more shots per game and playing like 9 more minutes. Overall Boozer played like crap vs the Pacers and Bosh like crap vs the Celtics. The thing about Bosh/Boozer is the Bulls actually have a really good back up in Taj. So if he's playing well he can actually steal Boozer minutes. While Bosh gets in the game no matter what, because the Heat have nobody else there.

fadedmario
05-14-2011, 12:56 AM
Good luck Miami!!!!!! - I hate the Bulls and the 2000 threads a day on Rose. Sweep em!!!!

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 12:59 AM
Maybe, or maybe not. Not to mention Mike Bibby will be on Rose at times who will get destroyed. One thing you don't understand is the Pacers had really good defenders on Rose. You use the names Lebron/Wade, yes they are great players and big names. But it doesn't mean they are way superior defenders then George/Jones. For the most part Bibby/Chalmers will be on Rose. Wade/Lebron will try to defend them if they need a stop, but won't be very often.



Yep and likely it will bounce the Bulls way more often, because they have better rebounders to get the ball. Again just because you want somethign to happen, doesn't mean it's realistic. Hey I want Deng to match Lebron scoring in this series too. Maybe if every shot goes in that Deng takes, that can happen. But how realistic is that? That is exactly how some of your theories are sounding here.



Boozer is a stud rebounder and more powerful then any Heat player going up for boards. He's also every bit as good as a rebounder as Noah. Which is another reason why the Bulls are such a good rebounding team. Not to mention Deng/Rose are good rebounders for their positions and the Bulls got good rebounders off the bench in Taj and Asik. Also again with your bias nonsense. Noah is one of the best centers in the NBA, he averaged almost 12/11 for the Bulls this year. Even trying to compare him to Noah is just flat out nonsense Anthony averaged 2 PPG this year with 3.3 rebounds, heck Noah back up Omer Asik Bulls averaged in 2.8 PPG and 3.7 rebounds in 7 less minutes a game. So again you saying whatever the Heat have at C is anywhere close to as good as what the Bulls have at C. Is like saying Deng can be as good as Lebron in this series and we will see Sunday.




http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 01:00 AM
Good luck Miami!!!!!! - I hate the Bulls and the 2000 threads a day on Rose. Sweep em!!!!

ehh, they might win 1 game = I will atleast give them that...... NOT!!

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 01:02 AM
Before that was broken wrist?? I get it now he hasn't played up to his potential from his day's in utah... I just keep hearing boozer will destroy bosh... and bosh is half a man... it's getting old expecially when they are both the same... bosh play's with lebron and wade boozer plays with rose that's about the only difference

I think people are only saying that because Boozer is a lot tougher and has more strength then Bosh. But Bosh also has the height on Boozer. During the regular season Boozer averaged 13/10 vs Heat shooting 46 percent, while Bosh averaged 16/6 shooting 34 percent. But again Bosh averaged 3 more shots per game then Boozer did in those games.

RZZZA
05-14-2011, 01:02 AM
Good luck Miami!!!!!! - I hate the Bulls and the 2000 threads a day on Rose. Sweep em!!!!

man you are so schizophrenic. I see you go from liking the Bulls to hating them to liking them back to hating them.

TheRunKiller
05-14-2011, 01:03 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats

I thought regular season didn't count :shrug:

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 01:03 AM
Damn. You guys might activate all 15 players? Didn't even know that was possible

i guess let me be more specific - obviously some one is going to be In Active but we dont know which one and who will get a shot so we'll see.

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-14-2011, 01:05 AM
I see the Heat bandwagon has some fresh recruits ready to bait and get Bulls fans banned. Well played, Heat fans, well played.

ryang
05-14-2011, 01:07 AM
Boozer shot 51 percent during the regular season and Bosh shot 50 percent getting basically the same amount of shots and touches. In the playoffs Bosh is shooting 45 percent getting 13 shots a game. While Boozer is shooting 11 shots a game. Overall Bosh is giving the Heat 16/10 and Boozer is giving the Bulls 12/10 in the playoffs. But that's because Bosh is getting more shots per game and playing like 9 more minutes. Overall Boozer played like crap vs the Pacers and Bosh like crap vs the Celtics. The thing about Bosh/Boozer is the Bulls actually have a really good back up in Taj. So if he's playing well he can actually steal Boozer minutes. While Bosh gets in the game no matter what, because the Heat have nobody else there.

boozer played like crap against the pacers and bosh played like crap against the c's.. well the c's have k.g. and just because k.g. struggled on O doesnt mean k.g. sucks on D like the pacers and any power forward they got... ( please dont say the pacers or hawks play better d then the c's please)

no because bosh can play longer minutes...

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 01:07 AM
I thought regular season didn't count :shrug:

It doesnt ..... But too many of you Bull's are talking all this crap how you led the NBA in this and that.... so i just put it out there for people to see evidence before they start posting more crap out of there ***.

.... that being said - the regular season aint ****.

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 01:07 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats

What's that suppose to mean? The Heat are 3.8 percent better then Bulls on offense efficiency? Well aren't the Bulls 2.4 percent on defensive efficiency and 1.7 percent on rebound efficiency? Those stats are nice, but it's hard to compare those stats going against so many different teams over a 82 game season. Like what's the big deal if the Heat can score a ton on the Wizards, while the Bulls didn't? Especially since the Bulls were without another scorer in Boozer or Noah for most of the season. In this series it's gonna come down to the things I mentioned, with the role players coming through or not.

fadedmario
05-14-2011, 01:08 AM
man you are so schizophrenic. I see you go from liking the Bulls to hating them to liking them back to hating them.

:facepalm: - some of the Chicago fans are all right but I ****ing hate the Bulls - Give me a break.

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 01:09 AM
It doesnt ..... But too many of you Bull's are talking all this crap how you led the NBA in this and that.... so i just put it out there for people to see evidence before they start posting more crap out of there ***.

.... that being said - the regular season aint ****.

Who was talking crap about what? I don't think any Bulls fan is saying anything that's untrue or way off in this thread. That said a few Heat fans are and even you have to agree with that.

DeyAce
05-14-2011, 01:09 AM
Bulls in 5

ryang
05-14-2011, 01:10 AM
I see the Heat bandwagon has some fresh recruits ready to bait and get Bulls fans banned. Well played, Heat fans, well played.

:facepalm: when opposing fans of the heat have no arguement left this is what you hear :facepalm:

maybe heat fans dont talk during the regular season expecially when we all knew nothing mattered tell the playoffs started...

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-14-2011, 01:11 AM
boozer played like crap against the pacers and bosh played like crap against the c's.. well the c's have k.g. and just because k.g. struggled on O doesnt mean k.g. sucks on D like the pacers and any power forward they got... ( please dont say the pacers or hawks play better d then the c's please)

no because bosh can play longer minutes...

The Pacers and Hawks have tall, athletic shot blockers who gave Boozer problems because he is somewhat undersized along with not having much lift due to the turf toe. The Heat really don't have those big long defenders that can give him problems down in the post, which is why he should have a good series if the injury is no longer an issue. Even in game 6 against the Hawks, we was going to the basket harder than I had ever seen him this season and the lift on his jumpshots were great.

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 01:12 AM
boozer played like crap against the pacers and bosh played like crap against the c's.. well the c's have k.g. and just because k.g. struggled on O doesnt mean k.g. sucks on D like the pacers and any power forward they got... ( please dont say the pacers or hawks play better d then the c's please)

no because bosh can play longer minutes...

Nope Boozer just didn't play well in that series and was missing easy shots. Not to mention he's also hurt and Bosh is not. Also can you stop with the stupid comments already? You realize Boozer played 40 minutes a game in the playoffs for the Jazz last year? I guess he's not capable of playing more minutes like Bosh is. Or the fact is the Heat have bums backing up Bosh and the Bulls have a good player in Taj Gibson who can start on alot of NBA teams.

kingbrentg
05-14-2011, 01:13 AM
:facepalm: when opposing fans of the heat have no arguement left this is what you hear :facepalm:

maybe heat fans dont talk during the regular season expecially when we all knew nothing mattered tell the playoffs started...

Yeah, that's not true at all.



Anyway, this game will be a lot more important to the Bulls than the Heat, for obvious reason. I'm not really sure how I feel about our chances right now. It's going to be a tough series.

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-14-2011, 01:14 AM
:facepalm: when opposing fans of the heat have no arguement left this is what you hear :facepalm:

maybe heat fans dont talk during the regular season expecially when we all knew nothing mattered tell the playoffs started...

Ya, you definitely are a new recruit. Did you go through the hazing process yet? If not you better get it out the way cuz game 1 is right around the corner.

ryang
05-14-2011, 01:16 AM
The Pacers and Hawks have tall, athletic shot blockers who gave Boozer problems because he is somewhat undersized along with not having much lift due to the turf toe. The Heat really don't have those big long defenders that can give him problems down in the post, which is why he should have a good series if the injury is no longer an issue. Even in game 6 against the Hawks, we was going to the basket harder than I had ever seen him this season and the lift on his jumpshots were great.

i agree with your point's but u have to agree with me when i say K.g. makes any defender on either one of those teams look like crap even tho he is old as hell... My point was best case for bulls boozer and bosh cancel each other out... PG u have the advantage big time same thing on the center situation but we have the clear cut advantage in wade and lebron so how does rose and noah equal wade and lebron??? not scoring wise or on d and as far as the bench is concerned dont expect wade and lebron to be on the bench as long as rose and noah..

I watch bulls game's so correct me if im wrong but isnt noah on the bench alot in the 4th??

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 01:19 AM
maybe heat fans dont talk during the regular season expecially when we all knew nothing mattered tell the playoffs started...

It's pretty sad that Heat fans continue to use that excuse. Yeah the Heat didn't care about the regular season. Wade wasn't tweeting how the World got it's way, because the Heat are losing and didn't have players crying in the locker room after losing to the Bulls for the third time. Yeah it was just the regular season, those games were meaningless and the Heat didn't care. I'm sorry but only pathetic people make sad excuses like that. Why can't you just say the Bulls played better in the regular season and were a better team. That doesn't mean the Heat can't outplay the Bulls and win this series. But the excuses how the Heat didn't care or play their are so untrue and just sad. So is that the Bulls won't play as well because it's the post season and the Heat for whatever reason will. If Heat fans like yourself would knock that crap off this would be a lot more civil. Take your regular seasons loses like a man, and stop making excuses. If the Heat can beat the Bulls in this series, I will be the first one to say the Heat were just better and outplayed us. I have a feeling that Heat fans won't do the same if they lose this series.

ryang
05-14-2011, 01:20 AM
Ya, you definitely are a new recruit. Did you go through the hazing process yet? If not you better get it out the way cuz game 1 is right around the corner.

new on psd when it comes to basketball and the playoffs.. what does that mean?? im 28 and have quit good paying jobs just so i didnt miss a game and i have watched the HEAT since we came into the league which made me like 10 how old were u?? I love the heat always have.. did u like the bulls before jordan?? were u alive if so how old?

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 01:23 AM
I see the Heat bandwagon has some fresh recruits ready to bait and get Bulls fans banned. Well played, Heat fans, well played.

lmao... and look at that statement.... your trying to bait us to get banned by claiming EVERY HEAT FAN ON THIS FORUM a bandwagon.


You betz believe that this is rematch of the ECF you guys took away from us.
This is revenge for TIM HARDAWAY and ALONZO MOURNING, even though Zo has 1 ring and thank god for that, he still had to go through that loosing in 5 i believe it was... well what goes around comes around.....


... That was also the series that Alonzo Mourning made his first Three Pointer from the top of the key... that was funny to watch. Speaking of funny to watch didnt Zo faceplant Rodmans head on the court. lol ... good times i wish this series can turn out like those old series..

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 01:23 AM
I watch bulls game's so correct me if im wrong but isnt noah on the bench alot in the 4th??

No Thibs starts the 4th with the bench guys and Deng usually playing. He hasn't been giving Rose the early 4th quarter rest the last few playoff games. But usually he does, in this series though I can see him not getting that rest in the 4th as well. The last two games Noah didn't play a lot in the 4th. Because Asik and Taj Gibson played so well in game 5 to start the 4th and they gainned a big league with them in the game. So Noah and Boozer never got back in the game. While in game 6, it was a blow out in the 4th quarter.

ryang
05-14-2011, 01:24 AM
It's pretty sad that Heat fans continue to use that excuse. Yeah the Heat didn't care about the regular season. Wade wasn't tweeting how the World got it's way, because the Heat are losing and didn't have players crying in the locker room after losing to the Bulls for the third time. Yeah it was just the regular season, those games were meaningless and the Heat didn't care. I'm sorry but only pathetic people make sad excuses like that. Why can't you just say the Bulls played better in the regular season and were a better team. That doesn't mean the Heat can't outplay the Bulls and win this series. But the excuses how the Heat didn't care or play their are so untrue and just sad. So is that the Bulls won't play as well because it's the post season and the Heat for whatever reason will. If Heat fans like yourself would knock that crap off this would be a lot more civil. Take your regular seasons loses like a man, and stop making excuses. If the Heat fans beat the Bulls in this series, I will be the first one to say the Heat were just better and outplayed us. I have a feeling that Heat fans won't do the same if they lose this series.


wow i just said i dont like talking during the regular season... that being said im the realiest heat fan u will meet but i never said my team didnt care its obvious we did but u gotta admit the heat have had a different look in there eyes?? something i new all along seeings how i have seen wade in the playoffs before or any superstar for that matter...

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-14-2011, 01:26 AM
i agree with your point's but u have to agree with me when i say K.g. makes any defender on either one of those teams look like crap even tho he is old as hell... My point was best case for bulls boozer and bosh cancel each other out... PG u have the advantage big time same thing on the center situation but we have the clear cut advantage in wade and lebron so how does rose and noah equal wade and lebron??? not scoring wise or on d and as far as the bench is concerned dont expect wade and lebron to be on the bench as long as rose and noah..

I watch bulls game's so correct me if im wrong but isnt noah on the bench alot in the 4th??

True, but if you watched those games, Bosh missed plenty of open shots and blew layups, so it wasn't all KG. You might recall that 1-18 game in Chicago...ya.

Yes, we get it, Lebron and Wade are great, and they will give the Bulls fits all series. But just like us, the Heat have yet to face a player of Rose's caliber so far, so he will single-handedly give the whole Heat defense fits. I'm not saying they cancel each other out because the Heat have 2 guys compared to the Bulls 1, I'm just saying it will be tough for both defenses. But the point is, if the Bulls defense can just limit Lebron and Wade and not allow them to get where they want on the floor, they will have a great chance...because TBH, I really doubt that Bosh or anyone else on that team will beat us.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 01:26 AM
Who was talking crap about what? I don't think any Bulls fan is saying anything that's untrue or way off in this thread. That said a few Heat fans are and even you have to agree with that.


i do agree with that, i just kept seeing post of how overwhelming you guys are at rebounding and its pretty even.

i see it going either way any given night, rebounds wise.

ryang
05-14-2011, 01:29 AM
No Thibs starts the 4th with the bench guys and Deng usually playing. He hasn't been giving Rose the early 4th quarter rest the last few playoff games. But usually he does, in this series though I can see him not getting that rest in the 4th as well. The last two games Noah didn't play a lot in the 4th. Because Asik and Taj Gibson played so well in game 5 to start the 4th and they gainned a big league with them in the game. So Noah and Boozer never got back in the game. While in game 6, it was a blow out in the 4th quarter.

but gibson for noah at any point in the game is a victory for us.. wether u agree or not does not matter... noah rebounds and is a put back scorer at best granted he is better then big z but that doesnt win championship's.. I went to FSU and have seen Noah plenty(yes he played for the gators obviously u dont know our rivalry in every sport if u r confused).. Noah is a better center but joel can step up on him wether or not he did it in the regular season its basketball knowledge if im wrong let me know after game 5 with a real stat line

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-14-2011, 01:29 AM
new on psd when it comes to basketball and the playoffs.. what does that mean?? im 28 and have quit good paying jobs just so i didnt miss a game and i have watched the HEAT since we came into the league which made me like 10 how old were u?? I love the heat always have.. did u like the bulls before jordan?? were u alive if so how old?

Yes I was alive and well during the 2nd 3-peat. And damn you must be filthy rich if you can afford to quit good paying jobs just to watch basketball.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 01:30 AM
new on psd when it comes to basketball and the playoffs.. what does that mean?? im 28 and have quit good paying jobs just so i didnt miss a game and i have watched the HEAT since we came into the league which made me like 10 how old were u?? I love the heat always have.. did u like the bulls before jordan?? were u alive if so how old?


i know right, its not like i want to be on the forums at all times during the year..... i got **** to do ya know lol. Also i mostly post on the miamiheat.com website.

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 01:33 AM
wow i just said i dont like talking during the regular season... that being said im the realiest heat fan u will meet but i never said my team didnt care its obvious we did but u gotta admit the heat have had a different look in there eyes?? something i new all along seeings how i have seen wade in the playoffs before or any superstar for that matter...

Sorry didn't mean to take that all out on you. It's just a ton of Heat fans on this forum who act like that though. Also FWIW, Heat fans have been talking crap to Bulls fans all season long. Going back to last off season all we heard about how the Heat were better then the 90s Bulls teams and going to be unstoppable this year.


Then once the season started all we heard was the Bulls weren't a elite and were going to be the 4th seed and lose in the first round. Not to mention Heat fans were saying they couldn't beat the Heat and how the Heat would destroy them in the regular season games. So when the Bulls beat them, and finished with the best record in the NBA. It felt pretty damn good. But the thing is Heat fans are still talking and saying talking crap, since now the "regular season" doesn't matter. So if the Bulls are able to win this series, it would hopefully finally put Heat fans in their place and maybe teach them a lesson. The Heat may have a different look their eyes or you might be feeling something new. But a lot of Bulls fans been feeling that way since December. This Bulls team has something special about them and they just win. It's not always pretty, but they always take there game to another level when they are playing quality teams. You can say regular season all you want, but the Bulls are 8-1 this year vs the Heat, Mavs, Thunder, and Grizzlies. So regular season or not that's hard to do, and show how good this team is.

ryang
05-14-2011, 01:33 AM
True, but if you watched those games, Bosh missed plenty of open shots and blew layups, so it wasn't all KG. You might recall that 1-18 game in Chicago...ya.

Yes, we get it, Lebron and Wade are great, and they will give the Bulls fits all series. But just like us, the Heat have yet to face a player of Rose's caliber so far, so he will single-handedly give the whole Heat defense fits. I'm not saying they cancel each other out because the Heat have 2 guys compared to the Bulls 1, I'm just saying it will be tough for both defenses. But the point is, if the Bulls defense can just limit Lebron and Wade and not allow them to get where they want on the floor, they will have a great chance...because TBH, I really doubt that Bosh or anyone else on that team will beat us.

but they played the same.. my point was bosh played the c's and boozer played the pacers and hawks who combined dont = the old celtics... My other point is stopping Lebron and Wade in the playoffs is next to imposs when they are togeather... Rose is a man alone much like Lebron the last few years.. Sure lebron had role players just like you but when your alone you are alone..

ryang
05-14-2011, 01:38 AM
Sorry didn't mean to take that all out on you. It's just a ton of Heat fans on this forum who act like that though. Also FWIW, Heat fans have been talking crap to Bulls fans all season long. Going back to last off season all we heard about how the Heat were better then the 90s Bulls teams and going to be unstoppable this year.


Then once the season started all we heard was the Bulls weren't a elite and were going to be the 4th seed and lose in the first round. Not to mention Heat fans were saying they couldn't beat the Heat and how the Heat would destroy them in the regular season games. So when the Bulls beat them, and finished with the best record in the NBA. It felt pretty damn good. But the thing is Heat fans are still talking and saying talking crap, since now the "regular season" doesn't matter. So if the Bulls are able to win this series, it would hopefully finally put Heat fans in their place and maybe teach them a lesson. The Heat may have a different look their eyes or you might be feeling something new. But a lot of Bulls fans been feeling that way since December. This Bulls team has something special about them and they just win. It's not always pretty, but they always take there game to another level when they are playing quality teams. You can say regular season all you want, but the Bulls are 8-1 this year vs the Heat, Mavs, Thunder, and Grizzlies. So regular season or not that's hard to do, and show how good this team is.

i hear you ( i have seen some comments just dont like posting i am supersticous)... yes heat fans have been gloating since we got lebron but can u blame them? im sure they talk to much but im not thats all... i feel good about the matchups we have cause i study basketball and my team all year... I was suprised the bulls won the east so i give u credit but some bulls fans talk out there ***** much like the heat fans u speak of

ryang
05-14-2011, 01:40 AM
Yes I was alive and well during the 2nd 3-peat. And damn you must be filthy rich if you can afford to quit good paying jobs just to watch basketball.

not filthy reach but have a good home and food on the table for my daughter.. plus when u have owned a family restraunt and are a chef you can quit a job and get another after the playoffs in miami

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 01:40 AM
i do agree with that, i just kept seeing post of how overwhelming you guys are at rebounding and its pretty even.

i see it going either way any given night, rebounds wise.

I just don't think the Heat have the guys to rebound well against the Bulls. Guys like Noah, Boozer, Asik and Gibson are gonna kill Anthony, Zydrunas, Bosh,Howard or Damiper on the boards(like they did in the regular season games). Yes the Heat might be a good rebounding team against a lot of teams. But I don't think they match up well against the Bulls guys. There's not many teams that have a PF and C who rebound like Boozer or Noah do or guys who rebound like Asik and Gibson do off the bench.

ryang
05-14-2011, 01:49 AM
I just don't think the Heat have the guys to rebound well against the Bulls. Guys like Noah, Boozer, Asik and Gibson are gonna kill Anthony, Zydrunas, Bosh,Howard or Damiper on the boards(like they did in the regular season games). Yes the Heat might be a good rebounding team against a lot of teams. But I don't think they match up well against the Bulls guys. There's not many teams that have a PF and C who rebound like Boozer or Noah do or guys who rebound like Asik and Gibson do off the bench.

i thin our point is lebron can grab 10 any given night as well as wade or even bosh...

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 01:51 AM
but gibson for noah at any point in the game is a victory for us.. wether u agree or not does not matter...


Umm Taj usually doesn't come in for Noah. He comes in more for Boozer. Sure a few minutes might be Taj and Boozer on the court but nothing regular. Also I think you are underrating Taj a bit. He is a quality defender at the PF spot, can hit midrange jumpers well and score well at the basket. Like I said before, if this guy started for another team. He could be a 12-13 PPG guy getting 8-9 rebounds. Depth like Taj is one of the advantages the Bulls have in this series.




noah rebounds and is a put back scorer at best granted he is better then big z but that doesnt win championship's.. I went to FSU and have seen Noah plenty(yes he played for the gators obviously u dont know our rivalry in every sport if u r confused)..

Noah has improved since College. He doesn't get many shots or plays ran for him. So a lot of his scoring is put back in the basket stuff. But Noah can take the ball the basket, and has some decent post moves. He even developed a midrange jump shot. Noah showed early in the year(when Boozer was out) he can be a good offensive player, and averaged 16 PPG in November shooting 53 percent. The thing is the Bulls don't give Noah consistent shots, which is why he can have 18-20 plus point games some games, and then 6-8 other games. But in this series, don't discount the Bulls trying to score in the post more. Especially with how weak the Heat are at C.




Noah is a better center but joel can step up on him wether or not he did it in the regular season its basketball knowledge if im wrong let me know after game 5 with a real stat line

A lot of players on the Bulls can step up too. You can't count on these things because you want it to happen. Back in 07 Deng stepped up and averaged 22 PPG to lead the Bulls and swept the defending champion Heat. Do I expect Deng to step up like that in this series? Or give the Bulls somewhere between 17-19 PPG like he's done in his career? Also remember Joel Anthony wasn't playing against anybody in that Celtics series. The lack of center by the Celtics is the main reason why people believe that team fell a part like it did.

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 01:54 AM
i thin our point is lebron can grab 10 any given night as well as wade or even bosh...

And so can Deng and Rose. Who are also good rebounders at their positions like Lebron and Wade. Plus Noah and Boozer will be grabbing most of the boards anyways.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 01:55 AM
I just don't think the Heat have the guys to rebound well against the Bulls. Guys like Noah, Boozer, Asik and Gibson are gonna kill Anthony, Zydrunas, Bosh,Howard or Damiper on the boards(like they did in the regular season games). Yes the Heat might be a good rebounding team against a lot of teams. But I don't think they match up well against the Bulls guys. There's not many teams that have a PF and C who rebound like Boozer or Noah do or guys who rebound like Asik and Gibson do off the bench.


Bosh and Joel can match up with NOAH and Boozer

Haslem can match up with Gibson, Asik is basically like having Dampier, Z, or Magloire.

if you want to say the heat dont have the bigs to rebound well against the bulls......


.... then NO ONE ON THE BULLS can out rebound WADE or LEBRON.

ryang
05-14-2011, 01:56 AM
Umm Taj usually doesn't come in for Noah. He comes in more for Boozer. Sure a few minutes might be Taj and Boozer on the court but nothing regular. Also I think you are underrating Taj a bit. He is a quality defender at the PF spot, can hit midrange jumpers well and score well at the basket. Like I said before, if this guy started for another team. He could be a 12-13 PPG guy getting 8-9 rebounds. Depth like Taj is one of the advantages the Bulls have in this series.





Noah has improved since College. He doesn't get many shots or plays ran for him. So a lot of his scoring is put back in the basket stuff. But Noah can take the ball the basket, and has some decent post moves. He even developed a midrange jump shot. Noah showed early in the year(when Boozer was out) he can be a good offensive player, and averaged 16 PPG in November shooting 53 percent. The thing is the Bulls don't give Noah consistent shots, which is why he can have 18-20 plus point games some games, and then 6-8 other games. But in this series, don't discount the Bulls trying to score in the post more. Especially with how weak the Heat are at C.





A lot of players on the Bulls can step up too. You can't count on these things because you want it to happen. Back in 07 Deng stepped up and averaged 22 PPG and swept the defending champion. Do I expect Deng to step up like that in this series? Or give the Bulls somewhere between 17-19 PPG like he's done in his career?


ok we could go back in forth all night but the fact is Lebron Wade Bosh Joel will step up to another level... The guys you name besides rose dont have the same drive Wade Bosh and Lebron have.. (maybe boozer that's it)... Noah will not dominate all series long so there is no way your bench is coming in and doing any better expecially since our starters will be out there all night.. Rose cant play 48 minutes (atleast i havent seen it regular season or playoffs) and boozer like u said is not 100 percent yet..

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 01:57 AM
And so can Deng and Rose. Who are also good rebounders at their positions like Lebron and Wade.


dude Deng and Rose average like 5 rebounds a game. Wade and James 7+ a game.

ryang
05-14-2011, 01:59 AM
And so can Deng and Rose. Who are also good rebounders at their positions like Lebron and Wade. Plus Noah and Boozer will be grabbing most of the boards anyways.

Rose and Deng will not and can not out rebound Wade and Lebron just so u know... is deng decent yes is rose awesome yes but neither is on there level.. Myabe rose but until I see him outplay lebron or wade its a mith invinted during the regular season

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 02:07 AM
Bosh and Joel can match up with NOAH and Boozer

Come on now, we all know Bosh isn't gonna be fighting hard with Boozer and Noah for rebounds(Bosh averaged 6 RPG game vs Bulls in the regular season). He's just not that type of player and what makes you think Anthony can match up with Boozer and Noah? First of all Anthony averaged 3 rebounds per game against the Bulls in the regular season. Even in the playoffs he's only averaging 6.2 RPG and that's going up against bad rebounding big men like Krstic and Hawes. So what makes you think he's going to match up with very good rebounding big men in Boozer and Noah. Who are both averaging above 10 rebounds per game in the playoffs?




Haslem can match up with Gibson, Asik is basically like having Dampier, Z, or Magloire.

What makes you think Haslem is gonna be healthy enough or in good enough basketball shape to match up with Taj? Also having Asik is better on the boards then all the Heat C. Asik averaged 3.7 RPG in 12 minutes per game and played in all 82 games. That was more RPG then Anthony got during the regular season playing 20 minutes per game. Same goes with Zydrunas and Dampier.



if you want to say the heat dont have the bigs to rebound well against the bulls......


.... then NO ONE ON THE BULLS can out rebound WADE or LEBRON.

Not quite, but neither are huge rebounders either. If were gonna go that route I would say Rose will kill whoever the Heat have at PG on the boards, since he averages almost 5 RPG. Or Deng wouldn't be far off Wade or Lebron averaging 6 RPG. I'm sorry but there's no doubt in my mind at all that the Bulls will have a strong advantage on the boards.

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 02:15 AM
Rose and Deng will not and can not out rebound Wade and Lebron just so u know... is deng decent yes is rose awesome yes but neither is on there level.. Myabe rose but until I see him outplay lebron or wade its a mith invinted during the regular season

Rose and Deng won't have to out rebound those guys. They will be close enough though, and with the big gap with the big men. The Bulls will have no problem out rebounding them. I'm not trying to be bias here, I watched the Bulls all year. They don't get out rebounded very often, at least not when they are playing good basketball. I'm 100 percent confident they will have no problem with the Heat on the boards. Plus like it or not we have the regular season games to back that up as well. I'm not confident about tons of things happening in this series. But Rose scoring a lot and the Bulls rebounding well and playing good defense are things im very confident on. I'm not confident the Bulls will win for sure, but I know they will put up a strong fight and again who wins will matter on who's role players play better IMO.

ryang
05-14-2011, 02:15 AM
if the Bulls out rebound the Heat that doesnt mean they win in the playoffs... They did out rebound us in the reg season but you barley won those games... If Lebron and Wade hit the boards like they usually do in the playoffs and Joel grabs 6 like u said and bosh can get 9 which isnt far fetched... What makes you think we will give you that many misses to rebound?? who forces all these misst shot attempts?? Not Deng Not Rose and definetly not korver maybe noah once and a while in the paint... And please stop saying these bench players names they are not starters on other nba team's and if they are that team misses the playoffs..

ryang
05-14-2011, 02:18 AM
Rose and Deng won't have to out rebound those guys. They will be close enough though, and with the big gap with the big men. The Bulls will have no problem out rebounding them. I'm not trying to be bias here, I watched the Bulls all year. They don't get out rebounded very often, at least not when they are playing good basketball. I'm 100 percent confident they will have no problem with the Heat on the boards. Plus like it or not we have the regular season games to back that up as well. I'm not confident about tons of things happening in this series. But Rose scoring a lot and the Bulls rebounding well and playing good defense are things im very confident on. I'm not confident the Bulls will win for sure, but I know they will put up a strong fight and again who wins will matter on who's role players play better IMO.

im sure you are confident due to the fact u only have the regular season to go on.. but you have to admit these games will not go anywhere close to the direction the previous games we palyed in the regular season right?? if not u my friend are bias...

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 02:24 AM
dude Deng and Rose average like 5 rebounds a game. Wade and James 7+ a game.

Rose is 5, Wade/Deng 6 and Lebron 7. If were gonna just go off that the Heat don't have a C averages more then 4. While Boozer is a better rebounder then Bosh. Yet you are trying to tell me they will out rebound the Bulls? That doesn't even count guys like Taj or Asik off the bench. Can we please stop all this? Do I really have to mention the Bulls out rebounded them 131 to 99 in the regular season games. With neither the Heat or Bulls giving us a reason to believe things will be different in the playoffs. Especially since the Bulls have rebounded very well in the first two rounds.

ryang
05-14-2011, 02:28 AM
Rose is 5, Wade/Deng 6 and Lebron 7. If were gonna just go off that the Heat don't have a C averages more then 4. While Boozer is a better rebounder then Bosh. Yet you are trying to tell me they will out rebound the Bulls? That doesn't even count guys like Taj or Asik off the bench. Can we please stop all this? Do I really have to mention the Bulls out rebounded them 131 to 99 in the regular season games. With neither the Heat or Bulls giving us a reason to believe things will be different in the playoffs. Especially since the Bulls have rebounded very well in the first two rounds.

wade and lebron average 6 and 7 in the playoffs?? look u have the edge in rebounding so far but when those eastern conf lights go on Wade and Lebron may not give u much of a chance in the reb dep... (maybe offen rebounds??)

ryang
05-14-2011, 02:29 AM
your d is good dam good but lebron and wade have better O IN THE PLAYOFFS....

ryang
05-14-2011, 02:31 AM
dont single cover wade or lebron or im wright and u my friend are wrong.. but if u do double them look for are so called bums like jones chalmers or bosh to hit wide open jumpers all night

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 02:35 AM
im sure you are confident due to the fact u only have the regular season to go on.. but you have to admit these games will not go anywhere close to the direction the previous games we palyed in the regular season right?? if not u my friend are bias...

I dunno how the games will go and not knowing that doesn't make me bias. It depends on how players perform on offense and defense. Considering that this series is gonna factor so much on role players, it's too hard for me to project. Because the Heat aren't going to win unless they get help from their role players. And the Bulls aren't going to win unless their role players totally out play the Heat role players. Things I'm sure about is Wade, Lebron and Rose are going to be scoring. With Bosh and Boozer probably being inconsistent like they have been all playoffs with good and bad games. Along with it being a defensive battle and the Bulls out rebounding them. I can't project how Joel Anthony, Mike Miller, James Jones, Bibby and Chalmers are going to play though, especially not agains thte Bulls defense. Just like I can project how Taj, Korver, Bogans, Noah, Watson, Brewer and Asik are going to play either. So I can't be sure, but I'm more confident in the Bulls role players out performing the Heat.


So I think the Bulls will win this series, but that doesn't mean it will happen. You guys need to quit with the rebounding stuff, that's serious like saying Deng and Lebron will score the same. All the stats show the Bulls as the superior rebounding team, and they dominated them on the boards in the regular season with the same players playing. The Bulls have still dominated teams on the boards in the playoffs, like they did in the regular season. So saying it won't happen now, because you don't want it to happen is foolish. Well guess what I'm gonna say Lebron averages under 20 PPG, because I want that to happen. But is it likely to happen? Nope and either is the Heat out rebounding the Bulls with the guys they have compared to the players the Bulls have.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 02:35 AM
Come on now, we all know Bosh isn't gonna be fighting hard with Boozer and Noah for rebounds(Bosh averaged 6 RPG game vs Bulls in the regular season). He's just not that type of player and what makes you think Anthony can match up with Boozer and Noah? First of all Anthony averaged 3 rebounds per game against the Bulls in the regular season. Even in the playoffs he's only averaging 6.2 RPG and that's going up against bad rebounding big men like Krstic and Hawes. So what makes you think he's going to match up with very good rebounding big men in Boozer and Noah. Who are both averaging above 10 rebounds per game in the playoffs?





What makes you think Haslem is gonna be healthy enough or in good enough basketball shape to match up with Taj? Also having Asik is better on the boards then all the Heat C. Asik averaged 3.7 RPG in 12 minutes per game and played in all 82 games. That was more RPG then Anthony got during the regular season playing 20 minutes per game. Same goes with Zydrunas and Dampier.




Not quite, but neither are huge rebounders either. If were gonna go that route I would say Rose will kill whoever the Heat have at PG on the boards, since he averages almost 5 RPG. Or Deng wouldn't be far off Wade or Lebron averaging 6 RPG. I'm sorry but there's no doubt in my mind at all that the Bulls will have a strong advantage on the boards.



BRO KEEP THINKING THIS HEAT TEAM IS THE SAME TEAM AS THE ONE YOU GUYS PLAYED IN THE REGULAR SEASON...

Make sure to have a Vid Cam around when you see what your saying is basura .... thats spanish for GARBAGE.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 02:39 AM
regular season this regular season that......


lets talk playoffs .... Chicago Bulls Struggled more with the Pacers and the Hawks more did the the HEAT with the 76'ers and the BOSTON CELTICS ....

and Boston is BY FAR SUPERIOR THAN ANY OF THE TEAMS YALL PLAYED. THE PACERS AND THE HAWKS CANT MATCH UP AGAINST BOSTON, and you still struggled with lower difficulty teams.

The heat argueably have been the best team in the Playoff's thus far ... maybe tied with Dallas.


OOOO and the HEAT has not lost on Home Court... What bout the bulls????

ryang
05-14-2011, 02:42 AM
I dunno how the games will go and not knowing that doesn't make me bias. It depends on how players perform on offense and defense. Considering that this series is gonna factor so much on role players, it's too hard for me to project. Because the Heat aren't going to win unless they get help from their role players. And the Bulls aren't going to win unless their role players totally out play the Heat role players. Things I'm sure about is Wade, Lebron and Rose are going to be scoring. With Bosh and Boozer probably being inconsistent like they have been all playoffs with good and bad games. Along with it being a defensive battle and the Bulls out rebounding them. I can't project how Joel Anthony, Mike Miller, James Jones, Bibby and Chalmers are going to play though, especially not agains thte Bulls defense. Just like I can project how Taj, Korver, Bogans, Noah, Watson, Brewer and Asik are going to play either. So I can't be sure, but I'm more confident in the Bulls role players out performing the Heat.


So I think the Bulls will win this series, but that doesn't mean it will happen. You guys need to quit with the rebounding stuff, that's serious like saying Deng and Lebron will score the same. All the stats show the Bulls as the superior rebounding team, and they dominated them on the boards in the regular season with the same players playing. The Bulls have still dominated teams on the boards in the playoffs, like they did in the regular season. So saying it won't happen now, because you don't want it to happen is foolish. Well guess what I'm gonna say Lebron averages under 20 PPG, because I want that to happen. But is it likely to happen? Nope and either is the Heat out rebounding the Bulls with the guys they have compared to the players the Bulls have.

i guess u misst my point Lebron and Wade play like they can you won't have a chance to rebound.. I truly belive they will and so do most bulls fans.... Like i said before it will be a good series but Rose and role players dont = Wade Lebron and bosh... Rose noah and boozer dont = them.... that being said good luck... again our bench will hit key shots and my big 3 will score 70 combined if not more quote it frame it share it..

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 02:42 AM
your d is good dam good but lebron and wade have better O IN THE PLAYOFFS....

How do you know? Project the future? Or you just want it to be that way, because your a Heat fan? You can blow off what they did to the Hawks all you want. But Jamal Crawford has been in the NBA for 10 years or so, and after the series. He called it the best defense he's ever seen. Remember this is the same Hawks team that just beat defensive Magic team in the 1st round. Yes a Magic team that had a better defensive rate then the Heat during the regular season. But we all know regular season doesn't matter.

nolin
05-14-2011, 02:46 AM
heat and their fans will be fishing soon. praying for the mavs to beat the bulls.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 02:46 AM
How do you know? Project the future? Or you just want it to be that way, because your a Heat fan? You can blow off what they did to the Hawks all you want. But Jamal Crawford has been in the NBA for 10 years or so, and after the series. He called it the best defense he's ever seen. Remember this is the same Hawks team that just beat defensive Magic team in the 1st round. Yes a Magic team that had a better defensive rate then the Heat during the regular season. But we all know regular season doesn't matter.

Who was the second best play on the Magic??? nuff said.....

Now the Hawks.... Ill give Credit to Crawford in the fact he should get the hell out of ATL and START on a Real Team... guy is too good to be coming off the bench, but that being said.....

IT IS THE HAWKS... There are the KINGS OF INCONSISTENCY!

ryang
05-14-2011, 02:47 AM
How do you know? Project the future? Or you just want it to be that way, because your a Heat fan? You can blow off what they did to the Hawks all you want. But Jamal Crawford has been in the NBA for 10 years or so, and after the series. He called it the best defense he's ever seen. Remember this is the same Hawks team that just beat defensive Magic team in the 1st round. Yes a Magic team that had a better defensive rate then the Heat during the regular season. But we all know regular season doesn't matter.


:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: crawford??? he takes wild shots nothing more... I thought you had good arguements atleast debatable one's until this...:facepalm: CRAWFORD WOOOOOOOWWWWW... crawford sucks yes he can shoot from 3 so can e.house if they bothed learned how to be a spot up 3 point shooter:facepalm: stop :drunk:

ryang
05-14-2011, 02:50 AM
heat and their fans will be fishing soon. praying for the mavs to beat the bulls.

I have been fishing since january... you were looking out your window lookin somethn like this :puke: this weather sucks

SignGod
05-14-2011, 02:50 AM
Chicago fans have been through championship runs 6 times....Miami 1! Point being is we have seen your Heat fan arguments plenty of times before! Teams that features Jordan and Pippen have struggled in the first round of the playoffs with so called "EASY" teams....Washington Bullets, Charlotte Hornets and Pacers...to name a few. We still won the titles and still came through in the end. Don't get me started on the second round struggles as well! So the Pacers and Hawks argument is extremely stupid! Celtics struggled with the Bulls! Lakers struggled with teams too! It means nothing! As long as you advance is all that matter! Trust us....we've been through it six times!

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 02:52 AM
heat and their fans will be fishing soon. praying for the mavs to beat the bulls.

Most Heat Fans already do fish.... The ocean is like right there and almost everyone has a Boat... plus if u just look at the Florida Marlins Hat you would know how much Fishing is a Huge part of Florida lol.

I guess we will be going fishing and drinking corona's next to beautiful basically naked women at the beach :D..... but too bad we were going to win the Championship before ... dont worry ya'll got good fishin up in the Michigan Lakes, minus the Sexy *** women :D



Heat is getting Revenge for 07 and Jordan era.

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 02:54 AM
i guess u misst my point Lebron and Wade play like they can you won't have a chance to rebound..

Lebron and Wade are great players, so you aren't gonna totally shut them down in games like they did against Danny Granger, Joe Johnson or Jamal Crawford. So those guys are going to score, but don't count on both of them going off for 30 plus point games against the Bulls defense in every game either.


I truly belive they will and so do most bulls fans.... Like i said before it will be a good series but Rose and role players dont = Wade Lebron and bosh... Rose noah and boozer dont = them....

It doesn't work like that, good teams beat good players all the time. I have said this a bunch of times, but I will say it again. Lebron, Wade and Bosh won't beat the Bulls without getting help from their role players. If you don't think so, well go watch the regular season games. Because that's exactly why they lost those games. Lebron and Wade played well in those games, and Bosh had two good games and one bad game. I wouldn't expect anything more out of those guys in this series. That said I will admit if the Heat role players are able to match the Bulls role players. Well the Bulls are gonna have a hard time winning. But I'm sorry but your way of thinking about all this is off a bit. It's the NBA playoffs, not a NBA Jam with 2 on 2 or 3 on 3 playing. Because Rose, Boozer, Deng, Noah, Bogans/Korver/Brewer, Taj, Watson and Asik is better then Lebron, Wade and Bosh. If your only getting 15-25 PPG game from Bibby, Chalmers, Jones, Miller, Anthony, and House. The Bulls are a better team, especially when you factor in rebouding and defense.



that being said good luck... again our bench will hit key shots and my big 3 will score 70 combined if not more quote it frame it share it..

I'm glad you can be confident, even if it might be some bias and wishful thinking. All I'm gonna say is, we will see what happens. Something that probably doesn't get mentioned enough is the importants of home court advantage in this series as well. The Bulls are very tough to beat at home, and are 41-6 at home this season including the playoffs. So I'd be surprised if the Bulls don't win at least one of the first two games.

ryang
05-14-2011, 02:54 AM
Chicago fans have been through championship runs 6 times....Miami 1! Point being is we have seen your Heat fan arguments plenty of times before! Teams that features Jordan and Pippen have struggled in the first round of the playoffs with so called "EASY" teams....Washington Bullets, Charlotte Hornets and Pacers...to name a few. We still won the titles and still came through in the end. Don't get me started on the second round struggles as well! So the Pacers and Hawks argument is extremely stupid! Celtics struggled with the Bulls! Lakers struggled with teams too! It means nothing! As long as you advance is all that matter! Trust us....we've been through it six times!

how old were u?? serious ?? Jordan pippen = who from your team today?? if anything we r closer to that and we r not close to jorden and pippen:punish

SignGod
05-14-2011, 02:55 AM
i guess u misst my point Lebron and Wade play like they can you won't have a chance to rebound.. I truly belive they will and so do most bulls fans.... Like i said before it will be a good series but Rose and role players dont = Wade Lebron and bosh... Rose noah and boozer dont = them.... that being said good luck... again our bench will hit key shots and my big 3 will score 70 combined if not more quote it frame it share it..

So wait....:laugh:...your saying that at the top of their game LeBron and Wade can out rebound the Noah, Asik, Taj and Boozer?!?! :facepalm:Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! OMG...that is a good one! Lets just say that that is possible...can they do that for a whole series? I highly doubt that...don't matter though cuz it won't happen! Good on though!

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 02:57 AM
Chicago fans have been through championship runs 6 times....Miami 1! Point being is we have seen your Heat fan arguments plenty of times before! Teams that features Jordan and Pippen have struggled in the first round of the playoffs with so called "EASY" teams....Washington Bullets, Charlotte Hornets and Pacers...to name a few. We still won the titles and still came through in the end. Don't get me started on the second round struggles as well! So the Pacers and Hawks argument is extremely stupid! Celtics struggled with the Bulls! Lakers struggled with teams too! It means nothing! As long as you advance is all that matter! Trust us....we've been through it six times!



ya who is PIPPEN ON THIS CHICAGO BULL TEAM NOW??? you dont have another star Caliber player like Pippen on this team currently only Rose. Dont say Boozer, Pippen is top 50 of all time, boozer maybe lucky if he top 100, forget that, its more like top 200.

kingbrentg
05-14-2011, 02:58 AM
Go to bed. All of you.

ryang
05-14-2011, 02:58 AM
Lebron and Wade are great players, so you aren't gonna totally shut them down in games like they did against Danny Granger, Joe Johnson or Jamal Crawford. So those guys are going to score, but don't count on both of them going off for 30 plus point games against the Bulls defense in every game either.



It doesn't work like that, good teams beat good players all the time. I have said this a bunch of times, but I will say it again. Lebron, Wade and Bosh won't beat the Bulls without getting help from their role players. If you don't think so, well go watch the regular season games. Because that's exactly why they lost those games. Lebron and Wade played well in those games, and Bosh had two good games and one bad game. I wouldn't expect anything more out of those guys in this series. That said I will admit if the Heat role players are able to match the Bulls role players. Well the Bulls are gonna have a hard time winning. But I'm sorry but your way of thinking about all this is off a bit. It's the NBA playoffs, not a NBA Jam with 2 on 2 or 3 on 3 playing. Because Rose, Boozer, Deng, Noah, Bogans/Korver/Brewer, Taj, Watson and Asik is better then Lebron, Wade and Bosh. If your only getting 15-25 PPG game from Bibby, Chalmers, Jones, Miller, Anthony, and House. The Bulls are a better team, especially when you factor in rebouding and defense.




I'm glad you can be confident, even if it's wishful thinking. All I'm gonna say is, we will see what happens. Something that probably doesn't get mentioned enough is the importants of home court advantage in this series as well. The Bulls are very tough to beat at home, and are 41-6 at home this season including the playoffs.and we r a good team and u only have one...

please stop saying these names like they were names before this past regular season...



the hawks won there and the pacers were up by 12 with 3 minutes left i beleive that says we win atleast one in chicago.. unless jordan has pippen

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 02:59 AM
So wait....:laugh:...your saying that at the top of their game LeBron and Wade can out rebound the Noah, Asik, Taj and Boozer?!?! :facepalm:Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! OMG...that is a good one! Lets just say that that is possible...can they do that for a whole series? I highly doubt that...don't matter though cuz it won't happen! Good on though!

IF you look at the post before you would know he was talking about Deng and Rose.... and you know what ... i bet Lebron can end up the game with more rebounds than BOOZER ,,, i bet WADE CAN TOO.

But Boozer will match JOEL's Rebounds and Bosh will Match Noah's.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 03:00 AM
Go to bed. All of you.



NO - YOU ! ....... Im an Adult ... and too hyped up is it sunday yet?

SignGod
05-14-2011, 03:01 AM
how old were u?? serious ?? Jordan pippen = who from your team today?? if anything we r closer to that and we r not close to jorden and pippen:punish

How old was I matters why?! You think I'm one of you 18 yr olds on here that talk out my @$$?! I can tell your age because you missed the point! Its not a measure of who is like them today! The point is that even those great teams struggled and still won their titles. I'm not stupid enough to compare anyone to MJ and Pip because there is nobody even close to them...ever!! Come on man!:rolleyes:

ryang
05-14-2011, 03:02 AM
So wait....:laugh:...your saying that at the top of their game LeBron and Wade can out rebound the Noah, Asik, Taj and Boozer?!?! :facepalm:Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! OMG...that is a good one! Lets just say that that is possible...can they do that for a whole series? I highly doubt that...don't matter though cuz it won't happen! Good on though!

no but wade lebron bosh and joel can... easily.... asik taj come on bro... boozer and noah these other guys u name collectively don't = much... somethin u will find out...

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 03:03 AM
how old was i matters why?! You think i'm one of you 18 yr olds on here that talk out my @$$?! I can tell your age because you missed the point! Its not a measure of who is like them today! The point is that even those great teams struggled and still won their titles. I'm not stupid enough to compare anyone to mj and pip because there is nobody even close to them...ever!! Come on man!:rolleyes:


dude you missed out the point.... You had jordan and pippen !!!!

Nuff said

SignGod
05-14-2011, 03:04 AM
ya who is PIPPEN ON THIS CHICAGO BULL TEAM NOW??? you dont have another star Caliber player like Pippen on this team currently only Rose. Dont say Boozer, Pippen is top 50 of all time, boozer maybe lucky if he top 100, forget that, its more like top 200.

AGAIN....I wasn't comparing anyone from this team to them! Another person so bent on proving their point that you don't read the replies correctly! Read above!

kingbrentg
05-14-2011, 03:04 AM
NO - YOU ! ....... Im an Adult ... and too hyped up is it sunday yet?

Don't you tell me no!


And I wish it would hurry up. :sigh:

ryang
05-14-2011, 03:04 AM
IF you look at the post before you would know he was talking about Deng and Rose.... and you know what ... i bet Lebron can end up the game with more rebounds than BOOZER ,,, i bet WADE CAN TOO.

But Boozer will match JOEL's Rebounds and Bosh will Match Noah's.

every argument i have is with someone who jump's in after 4 or 5 arguements between me and someone else... thanks for picking up on that cause bulls fans sure seem to be having a hard time doing so...

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 03:05 AM
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: crawford??? he takes wild shots nothing more... I thought you had good arguements atleast debatable one's until this...:facepalm: CRAWFORD WOOOOOOOWWWWW... crawford sucks yes he can shoot from 3 so can e.house if they bothed learned how to be a spot up 3 point shooter:facepalm: stop :drunk:

Where did I say Crawford was a great player or took good shots? It would be a different story if I said look at what we did to Crawford, when we know that his poor decisions is often what shuts himself down. But these words are from Crawford himself. Crawford is a proven scorer in this league and when he is hot can go off. He did that too a good Magic defensive team in the first round for example(who was rated ahead of the Heats defense). So for him to say he could do nothing in some of those games and he never seen a defense like that. Well it does mean, something because Crawford doesn't have to be former MVP to a opinion on how good a defense is. He's been around and played against all the best defenses in the NBA for the last 10 plus years. So for him to come out and say this does mean something.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 03:05 AM
AGAIN....I wasn't comparing anyone from this team to them! Another person so bent on proving their point that you don't read the replies correctly! Read above!

maybe i was in the process of typing my post i did not see ;)

ryang
05-14-2011, 03:06 AM
AGAIN....I wasn't comparing anyone from this team to them! Another person so bent on proving their point that you don't read the replies correctly! Read above!

didnt u say jordan and pippen struggled against crappy teams?? pretty hard not to figure this argument out...:facepalm:

SignGod
05-14-2011, 03:06 AM
dude you missed out the point.... You had jordan and pippen !!!!

Nuff said

Nah...you missed the point! That is EXACTLY what I meant! We had MJ and PIP and we still struggled! So the argument about how we played the Pacers and Hawks is a lame one! Only 1996 did we blow through the playoffs!

Red222
05-14-2011, 03:08 AM
don't you tell me no!


And i wish it would hurry up. :sigh:

can't wait

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 03:08 AM
Don't you tell me no!


And I wish it would hurry up. :sigh:


you and me both..... nothing would be better than to watch you faithful Bull fans cry all over these boards

OH WADE PLEASE STOP STOP STOP

NO!!! NOT YOU TOO LEBRON oHH NOOOEESS GAME OVER!!!!!!

lol just joking around

ryang
05-14-2011, 03:08 AM
Where did I say Crawford was a great player or took good shots? It would be a different story if I said look at what we did to Crawford, when we know that his poor decisions is often what shuts himself down. But these words are from Crawford himself. Crawford is a proven scorer in this league and when he is hot can go off. He did that too a good Magic defensive team in the first round for example(who was rated ahead of the Heats defense). So for him to say he could do nothing in some of those games and he never seen a defense like that. Well it does mean, something because Crawford doesn't have to be former MVP to a opinion on how good a defense is. He's been around and played against all the best defenses in the NBA for the last 10 plus years. So for him to come out and say this does mean something.

again crawford = doo doo so anything he says shouldn't mean anything... and by the way besides howard (which is the only reason why they r good on d) who is there next best defender?? if u can figure that out who is 3rd?? come on man

SignGod
05-14-2011, 03:09 AM
didnt u say jordan and pippen struggled against crappy teams?? pretty hard not to figure this argument out...:facepalm:

Yea I know! Tell that to 12 Evolution!:rolleyes:

ryang
05-14-2011, 03:10 AM
Nah...you missed the point! That is EXACTLY what I meant! We had MJ and PIP and we still struggled! So the argument about how we played the Pacers and Hawks is a lame one! Only 1996 did we blow through the playoffs!

there u go makes sence now.... but still dont compare jordan to this years bulls ever... thats all we said

SignGod
05-14-2011, 03:11 AM
Have fun watching your loss over and over and over on the LeBron network (ESPN) Sunday night! Later all!

SignGod
05-14-2011, 03:11 AM
there u go makes sence now.... but still dont compare jordan to this years bulls ever... thats all we said

I never did...read it again.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 03:11 AM
Nah...you missed the point! That is EXACTLY what I meant! We had MJ and PIP and we still struggled! So the argument about how we played the Pacers and Hawks is a lame one! Only 1996 did we blow through the playoffs!

Were you guys the Number 1 seed going into the playoffs too???

despite that you had MJ, and Pippen to get you through those struggling times who do you have this time.... Just Rose

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 03:12 AM
no but wade lebron bosh and joel can... easily.... asik taj come on bro... boozer and noah these other guys u name collectively don't = much... somethin u will find out...

Just stop it, we know you are just being a bias Heat fan at this point. There is nothing you will admit the Bulls can do better then the Heat. No offense but your act is starting to get old. Yes I know you think the Heat are the greatest team of all time. They are the one team that can slow down the MVP, no problem scoring on the best defense on the league with no problem and out rebound the Bulls with lesser rebounders. How about you tell me what the Heat can't do, that the Bulls can? Or you can just go away, I have a feeling if the Bulls win this series we won't you on this forum until next year, if ever again. But whatever you do just please get out of Miami Heat fairy tale land. Where everything is great and perfect. The Bulls are in this spot for a reason. They beat the Heat and had a better record then them for a reason. They are a very good team and do some things better then the Heat, that's a fact. It doesn't mean the Bulls will win the series, but at least be objective and not so bias when talking about the match ups.

Red222
05-14-2011, 03:13 AM
you and me both..... nothing would be better than to watch you faithful Bull fans cry all over these boards

OH WADE PLEASE STOP STOP STOP

NO!!! NOT YOU TOO LEBRON oHH NOOOEESS GAME OVER!!!!!!

lol just joking around

if we win will you make an NBA thread to apologize for being wrong? God forbid you guys win I will do the same deal????

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 03:18 AM
Just stop it, we know you are just being a bias Heat fan at this point. There is going to be nothing you will admit the Bulls can do better then the Heat. No offense but your act is starting to get old. Yes I know you think the Heat are the greatest team of all time. They can slow down the MVP, score on the best defense on the league with no problem and out rebound the Bulls with lesser rebounders. How about you tell me what the Heat can't do, that the Bulls can? Or you can just go away, I have a feeling if the Bulls win this series we will never seen you on this forum until next year.

where do you see him say this HEAT team is the greatest of all time...

that wont happen till next year when Riley makes his Adjustments... then we will beat your Bulls Regular Season Record.


Also maybe your just being completely biased as well not recognizing that the HEAT aspects.


I think in the Paint its going to be pretty even, except i think we will get more points in paint, but as for rebounding it will be pretty even.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 03:19 AM
if we win will you make an NBA thread to apologize for being wrong? God forbid you guys win I will do the same deal????


I will make this bet..... I would do a sig one too but i cant have one yet so that is out of question....


But i will make a NBA THREAD APOLOGY TO ALL BULLS FANS if WE LOSE, if you make the same deal with me.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 03:21 AM
Yo Redd when you said the Bulls Struggled with MJ and Pippen what seed were they going into the playoffs.... do ya know off the bat?

ryang
05-14-2011, 03:22 AM
Just stop it, we know you are just being a bias Heat fan at this point. There is going to be nothing you will admit the Bulls can do better then the Heat. No offense but your act is starting to get old. Yes I know you think the Heat are the greatest team of all time. They are the one team that can slow down the MVP, score on the best defense on the league with no problem and out rebound the Bulls with lesser rebounders. How about you tell me what the Heat can't do, that the Bulls can? Or you can just go away, I have a feeling if the Bulls win this series we won't you on this forum until next year, if ever again. But whatever you do just please get out of Miami Heat fairy tale land. Where everything is great and perfect. The Bulls are in this spot for a reason. They beat the Heat and had a better record then them for a reason. They are a very good team and do some things better then the Heat, that's a fact. It doesn't mean the Bulls will win the series, but at least be objective and not so bias.

i think u dont undertsand... the heat can rebound close enough to the bulls to win... i think the bulls have a better bench based on stats but think with wade lebron and bosh we can knock down some shot's... i also think the bulls can win.. but not based on the playoffs regular season yes but not playoffs that's all... i think your bench is overrated and i think my bench is not as good.. but lebron and wade make up for alot much like rose does for your team

Red222
05-14-2011, 03:25 AM
I will make this bet..... I would do a sig one too but i cant have one yet so that is out of question....


But i will make a NBA THREAD APOLOGY TO ALL BULLS FANS if WE LOSE, if you make the same deal with me.

deal

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 03:25 AM
i think u dont undertsand... the heat can rebound close enough to the bulls to win... i think the bulls have a better bench based on stats but think with wade lebron and bosh we can knock down some shot's... i also think the bulls can win.. but not based on the playoffs regular season yes but not playoffs that's all... i think your bench is overrated and i think my bench is not as good.. but lebron and wade make up for alot much like rose does for your team


I think the only good bench player from the Bulls is Taj Gibson. Hasik is good defensively ... he had couple blocks that were impressive but nothing that Joel cant Match.

personally dont take offense but i think BOSTON's BENCH was A LOT BETTER.....


Delonte West - Shooter and good wade defender
Jeff Green - Shooter , Driver , good defender, athletic
Big Baby- even though we shut him down this guy led the league in drawing charges and he has a sweet jump shot and knows how to finish at the rim surprisingly.

Red222
05-14-2011, 03:25 AM
Yo Redd when you said the Bulls Struggled with MJ and Pippen what seed were they going into the playoffs.... do ya know off the bat?

i didn't say that

ryang
05-14-2011, 03:27 AM
where do you see him say this HEAT team is the greatest of all time...

that wont happen till next year when Riley makes his Adjustments... then we will beat your Bulls Regular Season Record. Also maybe your just being completely biased as well not recognizing that the HEAT aspects.


I think in the Paint its going to be pretty even, except i think we will get more points in paint, but as for rebounding it will be pretty even.

yep.... bulls are scared... if they lose this year there window will close quick... we have no center true... we have no true pg true... (chalmers plays d thats about it) but yet they r still nervous just wait tell we have a real center and pg.. i wont even argue with anybody cause it will be heat winning over and over again

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 03:28 AM
deal

lol cant wait ....

ryang
05-14-2011, 03:30 AM
I think the only good bench player from the Bulls is Taj Gibson. Hasik is good defensively ... he had couple blocks that were impressive but nothing that Joel cant Match.

personally dont take offense but i think BOSTON's BENCH was A LOT BETTER.....


Delonte West - Shooter and good wade defender
Jeff Green - Shooter , Driver , good defender, athletic
Big Baby- even though we shut him down this guy led the league in drawing charges and he has a sweet jump shot and knows how to finish at the rim surprisingly.

that s my point gibson isnt really all that good... sure ill take him over j.howard

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 03:31 AM
Chicago fans have been through championship runs 6 times....Miami 1! Point being is we have seen your Heat fan arguments plenty of times before! Teams that features Jordan and Pippen have struggled in the first round of the playoffs with so called "EASY" teams....Washington Bullets, Charlotte Hornets and Pacers...to name a few. We still won the titles and still came through in the end. Don't get me started on the second round struggles as well! So the Pacers and Hawks argument is extremely stupid! Celtics struggled with the Bulls! Lakers struggled with teams too! It means nothing! As long as you advance is all that matter! Trust us....we've been through it six times!



This right here Red222 ... What seed were they then?

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 03:38 AM
where do you see him say this HEAT team is the greatest of all time...


Well they would have to be, since he thinks they will shut down Rose, out rebound the Bulls and have no problem scoring on a very good defense with bench players hitting big shots. You would have to think they are a great team to think they will be able to do all of those things with such confidence.


that wont happen till next year when Riley makes his Adjustments... then we will beat your Bulls Regular Season Record.

Good luck with that, especially with hard cap coming in the future. The Heat are gonna be screwed adding new players then. Plus like it or not, but you can't count on Wade being as good as he is in a few years. At his age and all the wear and tear on his body. We seen a lot of great players like him slow down in early 30s like that.



I think in the Paint its going to be pretty even, except i think we will get more points in paint, but as for rebounding it will be pretty even.


Think that all you want, you have a crappy reason to believe that. Again it's like me saying I think Luol Deng scoring will be even with Lebron. The Bulls have much superior rebounders and the numbers back that up too. Seriously when you are saying Joel Anthony who averaged 3.5 RPG matches up with Noah who averaged 10 plus RPG. How am I suppose to take that you seriously? Heck our back up in Asik was a better rebounder then Anthony during the season. The Heat leading rebounders were Bosh at 8.3 with Lebron at 7.5,Wade at 6.4 and nobody else healthy above 5. How can you claim it will be even when the Bulls dominated them in the regular season and have guys who averaged 10.4, 9.6, 5.8, and 5.7. Those numbers alone by their top rebounders gives them a 9 rebound advantage. So how about you tell me why the rebounding will be pretty even? What do you have to base that off of, besides it being what you to happen.

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 03:41 AM
that s my point gibson isnt really all that good... sure ill take him over j.howard

You really need to watch more Bulls games. Did you even watch the Bulls/Hawks series and see how Taj played?

ryang
05-14-2011, 03:43 AM
yes we should.. good night see u on sunday and then wensday and then sunday not gonna be the same as nov jan and feb... talk after the series not just a game

ryang
05-14-2011, 03:44 AM
You really need to watch more Bulls games. Did you even watch the Bulls/Hawks series and see how Taj played?

night... u will see soon enough until then whats the point

Red222
05-14-2011, 03:47 AM
This right here Red222 ... What seed were they then?

1992 series went 7 in the ECSF 1 seed
1993 series went 6 in the ECSF 2 seed

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 03:55 AM
Well they would have to be, since he thinks they will shut down Rose, out rebound the Bulls and have no problem scoring on a very good defense with bench players hitting big shots. You would have to think they are a great team to think they will be able to do all of those things with such confidence.



Good luck with that, especially with hard cap coming in the future. The Heat are gonna be screwed adding new players then. Plus like it or not, but you can't count on Wade being as good as he is in a few years. At his age and all the wear and tear on his body. We seen a lot of great players like him slow down in early 30s like that.





Think that all you want, you have a crappy reason to believe that. Again it's like me saying I think Luol Deng scoring will be even with Lebron. The Bulls have much superior rebounders and the numbers back that up too. Seriously when you are saying Joel Anthony who averaged 3.5 RPG matches up with Noah who averaged 10 plus RPG. How am I suppose to take that you seriously? Heck our back up in Asik was a better rebounder then Anthony during the season. The Heat leading rebounders were Bosh at 8.3 with Lebron at 7.5,Wade at 6.4 and nobody else healthy above 5. How can you claim it will be even when the Bulls dominated them in the regular season and have guys who averaged 10.4, 9.6, 5.8, and 5.7. Those numbers alone by their top rebounders gives them a 9 rebound advantage. So how about you tell me why the rebounding will be pretty even? What do you have to base that off of, besides it being what you to happen.


wow learn to comprehend what your reading.


first of all... ALL your evidence is from the regular season.

Second .... I said JOEL WILL MATCH BOOZER's and BOSH Will MATCH NOAH's.

Third. The hard cap will not affect us as much as other teams like Dallas, and the LAkers. OOOO AND DIDNT EVERYONE SAY WE COULD NOT SIGN LBJ WADE AND BOSH CAUSE OF THE CAP LAST SEASON IN SUMMER????

we all know what happened soooe lets not underestimate the POWER RILEY has and the knowledge he attains.

I dont think either of us said that we are going to Shut Down ROSE.

That is like saying your going to shut down WADE... total bogus..... you can only limit players like these.

I dont think 1 person driving to the basket is going to help your team. He is going to get to the foul line, get offensive fouls, turn the ball over, and make points.

Also You were the one saying how the BULLS out rebounded us in regular season and we were trying to tell you that The HEAT AS WELL IS A VERY GOOD REBOUNDING TEAM ....


No one said the bulls wont play great defense - that will force the Heat to move the ball and hit open shots, but judging from what happened in BOSTON, that was the same thing they tried to accomplish, and by having WADE and JAMES .... like Marc Jackson says...

... Give me better O then great defense any day. and with James + Wade, that can apply, doesnt mean i assume were going to walk up and down yo face with no difficulty, all im saying is we got more players who can create offense for themselves even against great defenses, the way YOUR ROSE can too.

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 03:55 AM
i think u dont undertsand... the heat can rebound close enough to the bulls to win...

What's close 6-14 like the regular season games? Of course it will be good enough to still win. We know you wouldn't allow yourself to think other wise.



i think the bulls have a better bench based on stats but think with wade lebron and bosh we can knock down some shot's

Again of course you are gonna think that you are a bias Heat fan.


i think your bench is overrated and i think my bench is not as good.. but lebron and wade make up for alot much like rose does for your team

Oh of course you would, you don't know anything about basketball. So if they aren't on the Heat they are overrated. Look let me explain something to you. Kyle Korver is one of the best shooters in the NBA coming off the Bulls bench. Taj Gibson a NBA starting PF coming off the Bulls bench, who can rebound, play good defense and score. Ronnie Brewer is a good mid range shooter and very good defender, who started for Jazz teams that went to the ECF only a few years ago. Omer Asik is a bigger and more upside verison of Joel Anthony. Who teams were demanding in trades at the deadline, but the Bulls refused to give up. CJ Watson like it or not is basically Chalmers, go look at his numbers the last few years on the Warriors when he got playing time. But on the Bulls he only plays like 10-12 minutes per game, like Chalmers would if he was on the Bulls. Last but not least Kurt Thomas is a better veteran big man then Zydrunas, Dampier or Maglorie off the bench. Just go the numbers and how he played when Noah was hurt this year.


I think the only good bench player from the Bulls is Taj Gibson. Hasik is good defensively ... he had couple blocks that were impressive but nothing that Joel cant Match.

I guess Korver, Brewer or Watson are bums. The thing about the Bulls bench is it's really really good defensivly too. In fact it's probably better defensivly then their starting line-up. The Bulls bench is so popular in Chicago they are called the Bench Mob and sell tee ***** and everything.




personally dont take offense but i think BOSTON's BENCH was A LOT BETTER.....

Wrong, the Bulls bench doesn't have a upside scorer like Green. But they blow them away everywhere else, especially defensivly.



yep.... bulls are scared... if they lose this year there window will close quick... we have no center true... we have no true pg true... (chalmers plays d that's about it) but yet they r still nervous just wait tell we have a real center and pg.. i wont even argue with anybody cause it will be heat winning over and over again


LOL Wow, we are in Miami Heat Dreamland again. Where are the Heat getting the money to sign all of these players? What cap space do they have? What do they have to offer in trades that people would want? Unlike the Heat, the Bulls actually have ways to get better. Like I dunno money to spend and valueable draft picks from teams like the Bobcats that they can use in trades. So keep being in dreamland, but realisticly the Bulls have a better shot at getting a allstar SG. Then the Heat have at getting a good PG and good C. But for the money they have to spend, they aren't gonna get players better then the old washed up ones who are willing to play for no money to get a chance to be on a good team. Like Juwan Howard, Zydrunas, Bibby and Dampier.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 04:03 AM
1992 series went 7 in the ECSF 1 seed
1993 series went 6 in the ECSF 2 seed

ooo i thought it was the same year that MJ and Pipp. struggled against those teams.

the point i was trying to make was that the bulls this year struggled with the number 8 seed and the number 5 seed and both teams were crappp.

but w/e its useless and pointless to argue that anyways now....

plus i kind of think that Pacers team was under rated a lil bit, but i did not EXPECT it to be such close games the way they were which is why i was bringing it up... especially hawks who i think the pacers can beat.

Red222
05-14-2011, 04:10 AM
ooo i thought it was the same year that MJ and Pipp. struggled against those teams.

the point i was trying to make was that the bulls this year struggled with the number 8 seed and the number 5 seed and both teams were crappp.

but w/e its useless and pointless to argue that anyways now....

plus i kind of think that Pacers team was under rated a lil bit, but i did not EXPECT it to be such close games the way they were which is why i was bringing it up... especially hawks who i think the pacers can beat.

i may have been in 1998

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 04:16 AM
What's close 6-14 like the regular season games? Of course it will be good enough to still win. We know you wouldn't allow yourself to think other wise.




Again of course you are gonna think that you are a bias Heat fan.



Oh of course you would, you don't know anything about basketball. So if they aren't on the Heat they are overrated. Look let me explain something to you. Kyle Korver is one of the best shooters in the NBA coming off the Bulls bench. Taj Gibson a NBA starting PF coming off the Bulls bench, who can rebound, play good defense and score. Ronnie Brewer is a good mid range shooter and very good defender, who started for Jazz teams that went to the ECF only a few years ago. Omer Asik is a bigger and more upside verison of Joel Anthony. Who teams were demanding in trades at the deadline, but the Bulls refused to give up. CJ Watson like it or not is basically Chalmers, go look at his numbers the last few years on the Warriors when he got playing time. But on the Bulls he only plays like 10-12 minutes per game, like Chalmers would if he was on the Bulls. Last but not least Kurt Thomas is a better veteran big man then Zydrunas, Dampier or Maglorie off the bench. Just go the numbers and how he played when Noah was hurt this year.



I guess Korver, Brewer or Watson are bums. The thing about the Bulls bench is it's really really good defensivly too. In fact it's probably better defensivly then their starting line-up. The Bulls bench is so popular in Chicago they are called the Bench Mob and sell tee ***** and everything.





Wrong, the Bulls bench doesn't have a upside scorer like Green. But they blow them away everywhere else, especially defensivly.





LOL Wow, we are in Miami Heat Dreamland again. Where are the Heat getting the money to sign all of these players? What cap space do they have? What do they have to offer in trades that people would want? Unlike the Heat, the Bulls actually have ways to get better. Like I dunno money to spend and valueable draft picks from teams like the Bobcats that they can use in trades. So keep being in dreamland, but realisticly the Bulls have a better shot at getting a allstar SG. Then the Heat have at getting a good PG and good C. But for the money they have to spend, they aren't gonna get players better then the old washed up ones who are willing to play for no money to get a chance to be on a good team. Like Juwan Howard, Zydrunas, Bibby and Dampier.


first i have to say sorry, for forgetting Korver, he is a knock down Shooter, but did you see how well we stuck bodies on shooters with the Celtics??? and when you do get open which wont be a lot you think you can live by the three and jump shots??? you know the saying " live by the three die by the three. "

Taj Gibson is basically Chicago's Udonis, a Decent 6th man off the bench.


what do you mean dreamland ??? how about trading miller for NENE?? also there are Decent Centers and PG that are free agents who will take the Vet Min. so that is that. IM NOT SAYING WERE GOING TO GET CHRIS PAUL AND DWIGHT HOWARD soo calm down with that.

I know fiction from non fiction pretty well soo lets leave this dreamland outside where you keep the garbage cause thats trash.


as far as defense goes, both teams are top defensive teams so ill keep reverting back to who ever can produce offensive and on your team I only see 1. and literally its 1 -Rose lol. get it his #1 literally 1 lol.. nvm

Imo even if your BENCH out produces the HEAT's .... MIAMI HEAT starters are going to be better and play more minutes like they already have. We always have 1 star out there at all times too so that is a plus for us.

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 04:20 AM
first of all... ALL your evidence is from the regular season.

And the Bulls players are still out rebounding guys. Plus can we stop with the regular season doesn't matter stuff? Be realistic and realize the Heat have rebounded well against bad rebounding teams in the playoffs thus far. They aren't gonna be able to do that against the Bulls rebounders. On the Celtics there leading rebounder was Garnett at 8.9 and they didn't have another rebounder over 6. Same thing with the 76ers they had Brand at 8.3 and nobody else over 6. So thinking Bosh, Anthony or heck even Lebron will be able to do what they did in those series against the Bulls with both Boozer and Noah isn't realistic. I'm willing to bet Anthony doesn't average 6 rebounds against the Bulls and Boozer or Noah out rebound Bosh pretty easily. You realize that Anthony averaged 3 rebounds vs the Bulls and Bosh only 6 during the regular season. But oh yeah it's not in the Heats favor, so it's regular season doesn't matter again.



Second .... I said JOEL WILL MATCH BOOZER's and BOSH Will MATCH NOAH's.

Why would you think this? Boozer is ALOT better rebounder then Anthony and Noah is ALOT better rebounder then Bosh. Those are facts.


OOOO AND DIDNT EVERYONE SAY WE COULD NOT SIGN LBJ WADE AND BOSH CAUSE OF THE CAP LAST SEASON IN SUMMER????

That's because nobody expected three players to get together and plan everything out like that. Things like that aren't done like that in free agency usually it's everyman for himself.


we all know what happened soooe lets not underestimate the POWER RILEY has and the knowledge he attains.

There's nothing Riley can do if he doesn't have money to spend. Unless you think he's gonna get a allstar level player to sign for 1.2m in his prime. Which isn't going to happen. Riley is a great basketball mind, but don't go overboard here. The only reason why the Heat got Lebron/Wade/Bosh is because they wanted to play together and are still making ALOT of money. Yes not as much as they could have, but they can make up for that money with commericals and other off the court stuff with all the hype of them playing together. It will be much harder for a good player in his prime to come there for next to no money. Also unless Mike Miller starts playing a lot better next year, his contract could be a problem going forward.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 04:23 AM
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i think u dont undertsand... the heat can rebound close enough to the bulls to win...
What's close 6-14 like the regular season games? Of course it will be good enough to still win. We know you wouldn't allow yourself to think other wise.


why is everything with u about REGULAR SEASON....


BOSTON was 3-1 against us what happened???? Game 5 is what happened

We were 0-2 against Dallas o5-o6 season WHAT HAPPENED????? AFTER 0-2... 4 str8 is what happened.

WE WERE 1-3 against the PIstons that same season we won Chmpionship... WHAT HAPPENED????? 4-1 or 4-2. THATS WHAT HAPPENED.

What have you done in the playoffs ??? 8-3 .... The HEAT ?? 8-2

Who was the hardest team you played in Playoffs? Hawks????

the Heat ?? THE CELTICS

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 04:26 AM
And the Bulls players are still out rebounding guys. Plus can we stop with the regular season doesn't matter stuff? Be realistic and realize the Heat have rebounded well against bad rebounding teams in the playoffs thus far. They aren't gonna be able to do that against the Bulls rebounders. On the Celtics there leading rebounder was Garnett at 8.9 and they didn't have another rebounder over 6. Same thing with the 76ers they had Brand at 8.3 and nobody else over 6. So thinking Bosh, Anthony or heck even Lebron will be able to do what they did in those series against the Bulls with both Boozer and Noah isn't realistic. I'm willing to bet Anthony doesn't average 6 rebounds against the Bulls and Boozer or Noah out rebound Bosh pretty easily. You realize that Anthony averaged 3 rebounds vs the Bulls and Bosh only 6 during the regular season. But oh yeah it's not in the Heats favor, so it's regular season doesn't matter again.




Why would you think this? Boozer is ALOT better rebounder then Anthony and Noah is ALOT better rebounder then Bosh. Those are facts.



That's because nobody expected three players to get together and plan everything out like that. Things like that aren't done like that in free agency usually it's everyman for himself.



There's nothing Riley can do if he doesn't have money to spend. Unless you think he's gonna get a allstar level player to sign for 1.2m in his prime. Which isn't going to happen. Riley is a great basketball mind, but don't go overboard here. The only reason why the Heat got Lebron/Wade/Bosh is because they wanted to play together and are still making ALOT of money. Yes not as much as they could have, but they can make up for that money with commericals and other off the court stuff with all the hype of them playing together. It will be much harder for a good player in his prime to come there for next to no money. Also unless Mike Miller starts playing a lot better next year, his contract could be a problem going forward.


Who said anything about an allstar player???? and ya Mike Miller needs to get his injuries fixed before he gets his value back, but have you seen this guy shoot, it will come back.

We already might have a future C with Dex Pittman, and all we need from a point guard is some one like STEVE KERR who you should know very well.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 04:33 AM
Second .... I said JOEL WILL MATCH BOOZER's and BOSH Will MATCH NOAH's.
Why would you think this? Boozer is ALOT better rebounder then Anthony and Noah is ALOT better rebounder then Bosh. Those are facts.

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OOOO AND DIDNT EVERYONE SAY WE COULD NOT SIGN LBJ WADE AND BOSH CAUSE OF THE CAP LAST SEASON IN SUMMER????
That's because nobody expected three players to get together and plan everything out like that. Things like that aren't done like that in free agency usually it's everyman for himself.

YOu say forget REgular season then when you bring up JOEL, you talk about his regular season STATS .... BRO cmon did you even watch the Boston Series?

umm apparently you dont remember the cap machine espn had. and i remember tons of people thinking that was impossible, then look what happened.

And also BOSH + LBJ + WADE all took PAYCUTS SO THEY CAN PUT pieces around them... that what makes this special as well.


And How consistent has Boozer been for you guys any ways??? I see Lebron averaging the same amount of rebounds as this guy. There both basically the same height and width.

Bosh is going to exploit him, cause he always struggles against taller defenders.

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 04:33 AM
Taj Gibson is basically Chicago's Udonis, a Decent 6th man off the bench.

Yes but Haslem isn't that player right now. Plus let's not forget that Haslem was a starter on a championship Heat team. So he is a good player capable of starting on a lot of teams just like Taj.



what do you mean dreamland ??? how about trading miller for NENE??

LOL perfect example of dreamland. Why would anybody want Mike Miller right now? He's 31 going on 32 was hurt and bad this season and is owed another 24m over the next four years. So to break it to you, but that's now a bad contract that you will only move if you are getting another bad overpaid player in return. What the heck makes you think the Nuggets would have any interest in doing that? They would like to keep Nene and if they do trade him they would want quality in return. Like good draft picks, expiring contracts or talented young players with upside and the Heat have none of that.



also there are Decent Centers and PG that are free agents who will take the Vet Min.

Like who? Most of them won't sign for that less and the ones that do won't be better then the guys you got. I'm sure you didn't think Bibby, Zydrunas, Dampier and others wouldn't be that bad either or did you? Let me know when you get a good starting player still in his prime at PG or C. Until then it is dreamland.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 04:38 AM
Yes but Haslem isn't that player right now. Plus let's not forget that Haslem was a starter on a championship Heat team. So he is a good player capable of starting on a lot of teams just like Taj.




LOL perfect example of dreamland. Why would anybody want Mike Miller right now? He's 31 going on 32 was hurt and bad this season and is owed another 24m over the next four years. So to break it to you, but that's now a bad contract that you will only move if you are getting another bad overpaid player in return. What the heck makes you think the Nuggets would have any interest in doing that? They would like to keep Nene and if they do trade him they would want quality in return. Like good draft picks, expiring contracts or talented young players with upside and the Heat have none of that.




Like who? Most of them won't sign for that less and the ones that do won't be better then the guys you got. I'm sure you didn't think Bibby, Zydrunas, Dampier and others wouldn't be that bad either or did you? Let me know when you get a good starting player still in his prime at PG or C. Until then it is dreamland.


That is why Miller needs to get his injuries fixxed this offseason so he can get value and depending on how valuable he is to this team we might trade him or not.

Also Nene is a free agent after next season and has said he is intrested in playing in Miami ??? so that is why i bring him up?

Also Dampier had a really good stretch toward end of regular season before Spo started saving him for playoffs when we really needed him.

Haslem is at 85% but that is all we need from him, plus these last two weeks should of been enough time for him to get settled in the rotation... how much can he produce i dont know but even at 85% its still good.

12evolution 9
05-14-2011, 04:39 AM
damn im tired as hell.... see ya tom.... night Peeps.

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 04:44 AM
Who said anything about an allstar player???? and ya Mike Miller needs to get his injuries fixed before he gets his value back, but have you seen this guy shoot, it will come back.

He's a older injury prone player, you can't count on him being the player he once was. Plus it's gonna take time to bring his value up again, and his contract isn't really friendly with 4 years left.



We already might have a future C with Dex Pittman, and all we need from a point guard is some one like STEVE KERR who you should know very well.

Ehh Pittman turning into anything is dreamland too, again I could say the Bulls are gonna find a stud SG too late in the 1st round of the draft too. Also know the Heat do need more then a Steve Kerr at PG. Because Steve Kerr was never the Bulls starting PG when they won championships. All he did was come off the bench and hit open 3's from double teams. The Bulls PG was actually Ron Harper, and even though he was really a SG. He was a very good defender who could play strong defense on PG and was a big scorer with the Cavs and Clippers before joinning the Bulls. But didn't try to score much on the Bulls, because they had Jordan/Pippen, so he became a great role player. See those Bulls teams were special because they had great role players. Toni Kukoc coming off the bench was also another huge piece. Since he could have been a 18-20 PPG starting SF on other NBA teams. There were so many other good role players on those final three teams too. The Heat have nothing like that right now and with the way the NBA is salary cap wise I don't think they ever will. Unless they get lucky with late round draft picks or find guys overseas. But planning on it like it's a lock to happen, is just silly.



Also Nene is a free agent after next season and has said he is intrested in playing in Miami ??? so that is why i bring him up?

Sure why wouldn't he be interested in playing for the Heat? If they had 70m to give him over the next 6 years he would probably love to go there. But he's a younger player who hasn't made big money yet, and he isn't gonna want to give up big money just to play for the Heat. Like I said before, it's gonna be hard for the Heat to upgrade like you may think. There best hope is getting lucky in the draft or whoever veteran they sign, hopefully he has one good year left in him. But even then it's gonna be hard to win something like 6 of 8 titles like the Bulls did with all the turnover on the team. With old veterans leaving and new ones coming in.


Haslem is at 85% but that is all we need from him, plus these last two weeks should of been enough time for him to get settled in the rotation... how much can he produce i dont know but even at 85% its still good

That's because you want to believe he's 85 percent and in good enough shape. Realisticly, he probably isn't healthy enough or in good enough shape to make a impact in this series. We all just saw how bad Shaq looked coming back less then 100 and not in basketball shape. Yeah you can say oh it's Shaq he's old, but he was playing well for the Celtics before he got hurt this season. So he still had something left before he got hurt. Sure maybe during the regular season Haslem could come back and get in shape playing 4 of 7 games against bad teams and increasing his minutes game by game. But he's going against the team with the best record in the NBA. Thinking he will play well overall in this series against them after missing so much time and not 100 percent isn't realistic. Odds are he probably won't play much in this series, because the Heat know he's not ready for big minutes against a team like the Bulls yet.

LakersIn5
05-14-2011, 04:47 AM
the better team wins. so heat win. lebron and company will show why the 3 losses in the regular season dont really matter because its a different story come playoff time and its the MIAMI HEAT's TIME THIS YEAR.

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 05:47 AM
the point i was trying to make was that the bulls this year struggled with the number 8 seed and the number 5 seed and both teams were crappp.

How did the Bulls struggle any more then the Heat did against the 76ers? Also I would like to know how the Bulls struggled with the Hawks? Why because they won games? Teams aren't suppose to sweep teams in the playoffs. As Red mentioned the 90s Bulls never dominated teams in the playoffs either. Overall the Bulls had four wins aganst the Hawks, winning them by 12, 13, 17 and 20. I'm sorry but I wouldn't exactly call them struggling. Not to mention that crap Hawks team did find away to beat a 52 win Magic team in 6 in the first round.


BOSTON was 3-1 against us what happened???? Game 5 is what happened

It's different with the Celtics/Heat season series compared to the Bulls/Heat season series. Because 2 of the Celtics/Heat games came early in the year when both the Celtics and Heat were different teams. The Celtics were much fresher, and had a healthy Shaq. The Heat were gelling and learning how to play together. While Two of the Bulls/Heat games happen later in the season when both teams were peaking.


We were 0-2 against Dallas o5-o6 season WHAT HAPPENED????? AFTER 0-2... 4 str8 is what happened

What does that have to do with anything? You got swept the next year 4-0 by the Bulls as well after losing 3 of 4 in the regular season. How does that factor in 2011?


WE WERE 1-3 against the PIstons that same season we won Chmpionship... WHAT HAPPENED????? 4-1 or 4-2. THATS WHAT HAPPENED.

Yes it's possible for a team who lost to a team a lot in the regular season and beat them in the playoffs. Nobody said it wasn't possible, but most of the time the team who won the regular season series wins in the playoffs. Lets look at this year

East
Bulls/Pacers-3-1 Bulls- Playoffs Bulls win in 5
Heat/76ers-4-0 Heat- Playoffs Heat win in 5
Celtics/Knicks-4-0 Celtics- Playoffs Celtics in 4
Hawks/Magic- 3-1 Haws- Playoffs Hawks in 6

Bulls/Hawks-2-1 Bulls- Playoffs Bulls win in 6
Heat/Celticks- 3-1 Celtics- Playoffs Heat win in 5****

West
Spurs/Grizzlies-2-2 tie- Playoffs Grizzlies win in 6
Lakers/Hornets-4-0 Lakers- Playoffs Lakers win in 6
Mavs/Blazers-2-2 tie- Playoffs Mavs win in 6
Thunder/Nuggets-3-1 Thunder- Playoffs Thunder win in 5.

Lakers/Mavs-2-1 Lakers-Playoffs Mavs win 4-0***
Thunder/Grizzlies-3-1 Grizzlies- Playoffs tied 3-3


So far every team that beat the team in the regular season won playoff series against those teams. Besides the Celtics and Lakers, who were both old teams. Plus the Heat still had a better record then the Celtics and the Lakers/Mavs had the same regular season record. So again yes it's possible to beat a team you lost to in the regular season. But I think the regular season matters more then you think. Other wise it the odds would be better of it happening more often. Plus keep in mind the Bulls are a younger team and had the best record in the NBA.





What have you done in the playoffs ??? 8-3 .... The HEAT ?? 8-2

Who was the hardest team you played in Playoffs? Hawks????

the Heat ?? THE CELTICS

Yeah and were the Celtics good or really any better then the Hawks? Probably not, and if the Bulls beat the Magic it would seen a bigger series win. But somehow the Hawks beat the Magic pretty easily, so they must not be as bad as you think they were. Get all excited about beating the Celtics and even hug each other and jump up and down like the Heat players were. But in reality you beat a team that wasn't the Celtics of years past. They didn't have a C, or defensive player off the bench like Posey or Allen this year. Not to mention the big three aren't as good as they were a few years ago. Mix that with the Rondo injury and it's not really impressive. Remember since the Allstar break the Celtics were about a 500 and got blown out when they faced contending teams including the Heat and Bulls. So realisticly was that series win that more impressive then the Grizzlies/Spurs series? With them being a old team that ran out of gas? Does that mean the Grizzlies did something really special and seen as the team to beat? That right there should show Heat fans how foolish they are being by thinking they just did something special by knocking off the Celtics. It's just funny that when the Grizzlies knock off the Spurs(who faded the same way in the second half), it's well the Spurs are old and bad now. But when the Heat beat the Celtics. It's like wow look at what this team just did to the Celtics and lets talk about how impressive it was.

SteBO
05-14-2011, 08:17 AM
How did the Bulls struggle any more then the Heat did against the 76ers? Also I would like to know how the Bulls struggled with the Hawks? Why because they won games? Teams aren't suppose to sweep teams in the playoffs. As Red mentioned the 90s Bulls never dominated teams in the playoffs either. Overall the Bulls had four wins aganst the Hawks, winning them by 12, 13, 17 and 20. I'm sorry but I wouldn't exactly call them struggling. Not to mention that crap Hawks team did find away to beat a 52 win Magic team in 6 in the first round.



It's different with the Celtics/Heat season series compared to the Bulls/Heat season series. Because 2 of the Celtics/Heat games came early in the year when both the Celtics and Heat were different teams. The Celtics were much fresher, and had a healthy Shaq. The Heat were gelling and learning how to play together. While Two of the Bulls/Heat games happen later in the season when both teams were peaking.



What does that have to do with anything? You got swept the next year 4-0 by the Bulls as well after losing 3 of 4 in the regular season. How does that factor in 2011?



Yes it's possible for a team who lost to a team a lot in the regular season and beat them in the playoffs. Nobody said it wasn't possible, but most of the time the team who won the regular season series wins in the playoffs. Lets look at this year

East
Bulls/Pacers-3-1 Bulls- Playoffs Bulls win in 5
Heat/76ers-4-0 Heat- Playoffs Heat win in 5
Celtics/Knicks-4-0 Celtics- Playoffs Celtics in 4
Hawks/Magic- 3-1 Haws- Playoffs Hawks in 6

Bulls/Hawks-2-1 Bulls- Playoffs Bulls win in 6
Heat/Celticks- 3-1 Celtics- Playoffs Heat win in 5****

West
Spurs/Grizzlies-2-2 tie- Playoffs Grizzlies win in 6
Lakers/Hornets-4-0 Lakers- Playoffs Lakers win in 6
Mavs/Blazers-2-2 tie- Playoffs Mavs win in 6
Thunder/Nuggets-3-1 Thunder- Playoffs Thunder win in 5.

Lakers/Mavs-2-1 Lakers-Playoffs Mavs win 4-0***
Thunder/Grizzlies-3-1 Grizzlies- Playoffs tied 3-3


So far every team that beat the team in the regular season won playoff series against those teams. Besides the Celtics and Lakers, who were both old teams. Plus the Heat still had a better record then the Celtics and the Lakers/Mavs had the same regular season record. So again yes it's possible to beat a team you lost to in the regular season. But I think the regular season matters more then you think. Other wise it the odds would be better of it happening more often. Plus keep in mind the Bulls are a younger team and had the best record in the NBA.






Yeah and were the Celtics good or really any better then the Hawks? Probably not, and if the Bulls beat the Magic it would seen a bigger series win. But somehow the Hawks beat the Magic pretty easily, so they must not be as bad as you think they were. Get all excited about beating the Celtics and even hug each other and jump up and down like the Heat players were. But in reality you beat a team that wasn't the Celtics of years past. They didn't have a C, or defensive player off the bench like Posey or Allen this year. Not to mention the big three aren't as good as they were a few years ago. Mix that with the Rondo injury and it's not really impressive. Remember since the Allstar break the Celtics were about a 500 and got blown out when they faced contending teams including the Heat and Bulls. So realisticly was that series win that more impressive then the Grizzlies/Spurs series? With them being a old team that ran out of gas? Does that mean the Grizzlies did something really special and seen as the team to beat? That right there should show Heat fans how foolish they are being by thinking they just did something special by knocking off the Celtics. It's just funny that when the Grizzlies knock off the Spurs(who faded the same way in the second half), it's well the Spurs are old and bad now. But when the Heat beat the Celtics. It's like wow look at what this team just did to the Celtics and lets talk about how impressive it was.
The Celtics are better than the Hawks :confused:

naps
05-14-2011, 09:01 AM
Miami wins the series and all this PSD will show is bulls fans are complaining about officiating. Please, someone make this a sig so this post can be justified.

BcEuAbRsS
05-14-2011, 09:45 AM
Miami wins the series and all this PSD will show is bulls fans are complaining about officiating. Please, someone make this a sig so this post can be justified.

And if the Heat lose you would be a damn fool to think it would be ant different... just ask Wade>You... Stern wants the Bulls to win :rolleyes:

BcEuAbRsS
05-14-2011, 09:52 AM
The Celtics are better than the Hawks :confused:

See but how do we know whom was better? If regular season doesnt matter and they dont play in the playoffs then how the hell would anybody know? I honestly believe that the Pacers could of upset a couple teams in the first round if they woulda played with the same intensity as they did against the bulls...

And who really knows who woulda won in a hawks vs celtics series... Hawks are 10x younger and 10x more athletic than the celtics and probably have better shooters too...

I am in no way saying that beating the Celtics was nothing cause they very well may have been the 3rd best in the East, that team may have been the Hawks too... we will never know and its as stupid as trying to predict what will happen in this bulls vs heat series... since regular season doesnt matter we have zero evidence of these two teams matching up... its gonna be a wait and see...

Sadds The Gr8
05-14-2011, 09:53 AM
this thread will reach 1000 posts before the game starts...

SteBO
05-14-2011, 10:09 AM
See but how do we know whom was better? If regular season doesnt matter and they dont play in the playoffs then how the hell would anybody know? I honestly believe that the Pacers could of upset a couple teams in the first round if they woulda played with the same intensity as they did against the bulls...

And who really knows who woulda won in a hawks vs celtics series... Hawks are 10x younger and 10x more athletic than the celtics and probably have better shooters too...

I am in no way saying that beating the Celtics was nothing cause they very well may have been the 3rd best in the East, that team may have been the Hawks too... we will never know and its as stupid as trying to predict what will happen in this bulls vs heat series... since regular season doesnt matter we have zero evidence of these two teams matching up... its gonna be a wait and see...
Oh, I agree completely. I was just saying that beating the Celtics meant alot to LeBron and now he can just continue to play with confidence. The difference between the Celtics and Bulls, is that for as good as BOS defense is, they were just too old. The Bulls are younger and more athletic in their frontcourt, which could minimize the effectivness of Joel Anthony. We'd have to use Dampier more in this series for sure. Joel will still get ample playing time, but I question he'd be going up against Noah, Asik, etc...

Jaji
05-14-2011, 10:24 AM
Remember when the Heat wanted Derrick Rose instead of Michael Beasley and the Bulls wanted LeBron James instead of Carlos Boozer?

Anyway, I think the Heat will take game 1 and the series in 6.

Heater4life
05-14-2011, 10:46 AM
It's different with the Celtics/Heat season series compared to the Bulls/Heat season series. Because 2 of the Celtics/Heat games came early in the year when both the Celtics and Heat were different teams. The Celtics were much fresher, and had a healthy Shaq. The Heat were gelling and learning how to play together. While Two of the Bulls/Heat games happen later in the season when both teams were peaking.





You mean the game where Bosh shot 1-18 and the other game where the Heat were on a 4 game losing streak before facing you guys?

Not discrediting your wins but we were far from peaking.

Heater4life
05-14-2011, 10:51 AM
The Celtics are better than the Hawks :confused:

We beat the Celtics and apparently their garbage now or to put in their words "exposed and battered". Idk you Stebo, but every game in that series was TOUGH. And Boston is FAR from being done. The Heat simply OUTPLAYED them.

The Celtics could easily be the hardest team to beat in all these playoffs.

jp611
05-14-2011, 11:29 AM
You mean the game where Bosh shot 1-18 and the other game where the Heat were on a 4 game losing streak before facing you guys?

Not discrediting your wins but we were far from peaking.

You realize we didnt have our starting top 5 center for the 1st 2 games either and the fact that in the Bosh 1-18 game the Bulls missed countless easy baskets that they normally hit, so if you want to use that philosophy we can go the same route

SteBO
05-14-2011, 11:41 AM
You realize we didnt have our starting top 5 center for the 1st 2 games either and the fact that in the Bosh 1-18 game the Bulls missed countless easy baskets that they normally hit, so if you want to use that philosophy we can go the same route
That's not the point. MIA was not peaking at the time, bottom line. You guys weren't peaking either, fine, but who cares really? This is the playoff now. Enough with the regular season. It's a whole new ballgame now.

SteBO
05-14-2011, 11:43 AM
We beat the Celtics and apparently their garbage now or to put in their words "exposed and battered". Idk you Stebo, but every game in that series was TOUGH. And Boston is FAR from being done. The Heat simply OUTPLAYED them.

The Celtics could easily be the hardest team to beat in all these playoffs.
I know right. This is the same Boston team more than half of this site said would beat the Heat. Gotta love double-standards. :rolleyes:

save the knicks
05-14-2011, 11:47 AM
Lets go team anti heat!

Go Bulls, Go Mavs!

Heater4life
05-14-2011, 12:00 PM
You realize we didnt have our starting top 5 center for the 1st 2 games either and the fact that in the Bosh 1-18 game the Bulls missed countless easy baskets that they normally hit, so if you want to use that philosophy we can go the same route

Whats your point???

Im stating that our team (and apparently your team as well) was not "peaking" when we faced eachother.

:laugh2: You guys want to argue about everything.

justinnum1
05-14-2011, 12:02 PM
tim reynolds
Interesting. About 150 tickets remain unsold for Game 1 through the Bulls' web site (not counting TicketExchange and brokers.)

:eyebrow:

kjoke
05-14-2011, 12:03 PM
all i know is that the bulls have the pressure to win both games here first

northsider
05-14-2011, 12:11 PM
tim reynolds

:eyebrow:

LOL your insane if you think that place won't be sold out. Most people don't even realize half the time you can still get tix off those websites and instead are going on craigslist or trying to scalp.

Cano4prez
05-14-2011, 12:14 PM
I think the Bulls will take game 1, but the Heat will take game 2

SteBO
05-14-2011, 12:15 PM
Whats your point???

Im stating that our team (and apparently your team as well) was not "peaking" when we faced eachother.

:laugh2: You guys want to argue about everything.
I never win with him dude, no use trying anymore. At least northsider is here trying to give objective thoughts based on play thus far, in the playoffs. This series will be like no other to me, and will the first of many playoff battles to come. In saying that, the Heat have to get one of two. It's tough coming back from an 0-2 deficit, yet at the same time, the Bulls have to get 2 at home, so there's so much to play for. I hate the scheduling however. Sunday, Wednesday, then the following Sunday? :eyebrow: Really?

northsider
05-14-2011, 12:18 PM
I am actually kind of shocked this is only one page 15 I didn't know you guys took time off from bickering back and forth.

justinnum1
05-14-2011, 12:27 PM
I am actually kind of shocked this is only one page 15 I didn't know you guys took time off from bickering back and forth.

Its started going in circles...

northsider
05-14-2011, 12:30 PM
Its started going in circles...

Sounds like every one of them since the beginning of this year. I guess you can only say Lebron chokes and Rose swallows so many times until you have to go brain storm for some more material.

championships
05-14-2011, 12:34 PM
Go Bulls!!!

Make the Heat weap.

KINGBAIZE
05-14-2011, 12:39 PM
i know gibson doesnt suck completely but please dont act like he is going to grab 10 boards a night... or even 6... best stats against the heat for him 4 points 4 rebs a game book it.. not after game 1 or 2 im talkin average the whole series

U really need to stop sleeping on T. Gibson. Gibson can drop a double double on any given night, if he chooses to be aggressive offensively. He could honestyl be a starting PF in this league right now. If we didn't have Boozer, I would feel comfortable with Taj as our starting PF.

Sometimes I actually prefer him....especially when he isn't hesitating offensively. He's a beast.

ugotpitsnoggled
05-14-2011, 12:50 PM
I feel like the Bulls match up very well defensively with the Heat.

Rose can guard Bibby
Bogans/Brewer can guard Wade
Deng can guard LeBron
Noah can guard Bosh
Boozer can guard Anthony

Plus we have Thibs who designed the defenses that slowed Wade and LeBron down in the past with Boston. Granted he never had to design a defense against both of the them.

LBJ and Wade are going to get their points, so the key is shutting down Bosh and the rest of the Heat. If the Bulls can do that and hold the Heat to under 90 points, they have a really good shot of winning this game and series

Knuckles
05-14-2011, 12:50 PM
My biggets concern for the Bulls is the slow starts. If we get behind like we did repeatedly agianst Indy and ATL we're in BIG trouble!

Knuckles
05-14-2011, 12:52 PM
U really need to stop sleeping on T. Gibson. Gibson can drop a double double on any given night, if he chooses to be aggressive offensively. He could honestyl be a starting PF in this league right now. If we didn't have Boozer, I would feel comfortable with Taj as our starting PF.

Sometimes I actually prefer him....especially when he isn't hesitating offensively. He's a beast.

This, not to mention his defesne is supreior to Boozer.

SoxBearsBulls!
05-14-2011, 01:00 PM
I just wanna say one thing...
letīs try to be classy here, these are the two best teams in the EC, hence the number one vs number two team, any of the two teams are worthy representatives of the EC...with that being said, **** THE HEAT, GO BULLS!!!!:D:clap:

blams
05-14-2011, 01:02 PM
If the Bulls lose one of the first two, Heat in 5 or 6. We win the series if we come out and take the first 2...in 7

SoxBearsBulls!
05-14-2011, 01:11 PM
If the Bulls lose one of the first two, Heat in 5 or 6. We win the series if we come out and take the first 2...in 7

I couldnīt care less if the Bulls win in 4 5 6 or 7, as long as they get to the Finals!
BTW, Iīm not buying the premise that the Bulls canīt win on the road, they seem to be more focused on the road, they rely at bit too much on the home crowd sometimes.I think theyīll trade wins on the road and the Bulls take it in 7.

Sergio1984
05-14-2011, 01:14 PM
I love how everyone is saying the Heat will almost guaranteed the Heat take one in Chicago but there's no chance the Bulls take one in their stadium. Really? If we want to say the Heat was one of the best road teams in the league guess what, the Bulls were only 2 wins worse than them on the road and more than a handful of games better than them at home. If anything they better take one in Chicago because I definitely see Chicago taking one in Miami.

justinnum1
05-14-2011, 01:26 PM
I love how everyone is saying the Heat will almost guaranteed the Heat take one in Chicago but there's no chance the Bulls take one in their stadium. Really? If we want to say the Heat was one of the best road teams in the league guess what, the Bulls were only 2 wins worse than them on the road and more than a handful of games better than them at home. If anything they better take one in Chicago because I definitely see Chicago taking one in Miami.

Heat have yet to lose at home in the playoffs...

TheRunKiller
05-14-2011, 01:32 PM
Heat have yet to lose at home in the playoffs...

So you're saying Chicago can't win a game in Miami?

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 01:57 PM
You mean the game where Bosh shot 1-18 and the other game where the Heat were on a 4 game losing streak before facing you guys?

Not discrediting your wins but we were far from peaking.

Stop with the excuses, the Bulls lost to the Raptors the night before beating the Heat. My point is both teams already gelled and peaked at those point of the season. Despite both teams having a good record since those games, neither team is doing anything different now or playing any different. Unlike November and December, that's my point. Also part of the reason the Heat struggled in that stretch is because the Bulls beat them twice.



I know right. This is the same Boston team more than half of this site said would beat the Heat. Gotta love double-standards.

That's because everybody thought they were gonna turn it on and be the Celtics of the past. That wasn't there, and half the site thought the Spurs would beat the Grizzlies too. Yes the Celtics played them tough in many of those games.They played the Grizzlies tough in those games too, didn't they? So maybe that's because the Heat just aren't that great and a old Celtics team was able to play them tough. Just like Heat fans are trying to say with the Bulls/Hawks series. So Heat fans started the double standard first. All Bulls fans are saying is relax you beat a old Celtics team that wasn't that good and was playing bad long before that series. No reason to brag saying we beat the Celtics like it's a huge deal, and then oh you beat the Hawks? Big deal they suck and you harder time then you should have type comments.

k.smith904
05-14-2011, 02:01 PM
32 more hours?!?!!

CMON!

arkanian215
05-14-2011, 02:02 PM
I think a Heat vs Thunder or a Bulls vs Mavs/Grizzlies matchup would be interesting to watch.

AllBall
05-14-2011, 02:02 PM
Bulls fans in a rush to get a beat down I see. :rolleyes:

justinnum1
05-14-2011, 02:02 PM
So you're saying Chicago can't win a game in Miami?

Sure they can, but they won't.

AllBall
05-14-2011, 02:03 PM
Sure they can, but they won't.

Damn straight.

jp611
05-14-2011, 02:06 PM
Sure they can, but they won't.

On what basis?

ugotpitsnoggled
05-14-2011, 02:14 PM
Sure they can, but they won't.

:confused: Why? You're probably one of those Heat fans that think the Bulls are gonna get swept

justinnum1
05-14-2011, 02:16 PM
:confused: Why? You're probably one of those Heat fans that think the Bulls are gonna get swept

Heat in 6, I would be shocked if the bulls win one in miami. The heat have played very very strong in miami, have yet to lose a game in the playoffs at home and until i see it happen i dont believe it. On the other hand the bulls have struggled at home agasint both the hawks and pacers and based on what i have seen the heat will take at one of the first 2 games and close this thing out in 6. Thats my opinion.

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 02:17 PM
Sure they can, but they won't.

:rolleyes: The Bulls rarely lost two straight(neever lost three straight) this whole season. In fact they have only done it twice since early December. Both times were on the road though, but those were against Nets/76ers and Warriors/Blazers. So considering two of those games were against bad teams, it likely had more to do with them not showing up and taking those teams too likely. Either way it's very hard for the Bulls to lose two straight. Even in the playoffs they took their game up to second or third gear. Since following a loses they have won the next game by 12 plus every time out. So the Bulls might only win say 1 of 3 in Miami. But I find it really hard to believe they won't win in Miami at all. People also shouldn't discount what kind of things Thibs is going to come up with in this series. If there is a weakness in the Heat and I'm sure there is, well he's going to find it. He's in a cave somewhere right now watching hours and hours of Heat games. I don't think the Heat coach is bad like some do. But I doubt he's doing what Thibs is doing to get ready for this series either.

ugotpitsnoggled
05-14-2011, 02:19 PM
Heat in 6, I would be shocked if the bulls win one in miami.

Bulls had a slow start, but finished with a great road record. When it comes to home records, Bulls have a better one than Miami. So why is it so far fetched that the Bulls win in Miami

NBA is all about matchups, Heat vs Bulls will be completely different then the previous rounds. Celtics beat a bad Hawks team in 7 and were taken to 7 again by the Cavs and went on to win the championship. You can't base a series based on previous rounds

cubswin25
05-14-2011, 02:26 PM
On what basis?

Because he doesn't want them to win in Miami, just like he wants them to win the series. He doesn't have anything really to basis stuff off and hasn't all season. Even though the Bulls won the only game in Miami. When the players tried so hard, that they were crying after losing. I will admit in that third game the Heat defense was tough, but no matter if it's the playoffs or not. I haven't seen the Heats defense any better then it was in that game. So that's why I know there isn't some switch this team is just going to turn on and dominate the Bulls in series in 5 games. Like some fans on here seem to think will happen. The games are gonna be close, and going to come down to who hit's big shots late in games. As well has what teams bench and role players perform better. It doesn't matter if it's the regular season or playoffs. The Heat aren't going to win with 5-7 points from their C and bench. That said you can't expect them to struggle THAT bad in the playoffs. So that means the Bulls will need more out of their guys like Korver, Bogans, Taj and others who struggled in those Heat games as well.

blams
05-14-2011, 02:42 PM
Chicago can win in Miami. Chicago also has a better team overall. But LeBron, Wade and Bosh with James Jones, Mike Miller, and Mike Bibby outweighs us in talent. If LeBron and Wade play like they did last series, we're done :(

ryang
05-14-2011, 02:45 PM
Stop with the excuses, the Bulls lost to the Raptors the night before beating the Heat. My point is both teams already gelled and peaked at those point of the season. Despite both teams having a good record since those games, neither team is doing anything different now or playing any different. Unlike November and December, that's my point. Also part of the reason the Heat struggled in that stretch is because the Bulls beat them twice.




That's because everybody thought they were gonna turn it on and be the Celtics of the past. That wasn't there, and half the site thought the Spurs would beat the Grizzlies too. Yes the Celtics played them tough in many of those games.They played the Grizzlies tough in those games too, didn't they? So maybe that's because the Heat just aren't that great and a old Celtics team was able to play them tough. Just like Heat fans are trying to say with the Bulls/Hawks series. So Heat fans started the double standard first. All Bulls fans are saying is relax you beat a old Celtics team that wasn't that good and was playing bad long before that series. No reason to brag saying we beat the Celtics like it's a huge deal, and then oh you beat the Hawks? Big deal they suck and you harder time then you should have type comments.

we r playing alot better now.. How u can even say that is just turrooobblllee... Good luck if your whole outlook on our team is "oh they were peeking when we beat them" see unlike your team we know what our players can or cant do in the playoff's... Our D will be better our O will be alot better then it was at any point this season... You should quote it and come back to me after game 3...